Is there any tangible benefit to being a puritanical inquisitor over a radical one? In the lore, Radical inquistors can get psykers, xenos mercenaries, xenos weaponry and hell even daemonhosts but what the fuck do puritans even have to balance the scales?
>>719390080Most Inquisitors start out as a variety of Puritan but then gradually slide over to Radical as time passes. All within the parameters of justifying their own decisions for the good of the imperium, of course.
>>719390212Not really. It depends on their masters. It only stands to reason that an acolyte would follow the doctrine of their master once they themselves become inquistors.
>>719390306Well, I was talking about most Inquisitors. Not Acolytes.
you exist in a realm where the majority (including all your colleagues) are puritan and if you go a bit too radical, even if you are a inquisitor, institutions and your fellow inquisitors might decide you should be murdered.Try approaching the Sororitas as a radical inquisitor with a bound daemonhost and a Necron blade on your hip, go ahead.
>>719390387This is why I think ultimately Rogue Traders have more power despite them being on even power length on paper with Inquisitors. Inquisitors have way too much peer to peer judgement.
>>719390440I would say it depends, for ofc Inquisitors and Rogue Traders have different goals. Depending on circumstance, a rogue trader might be vastly more powerful than a Inquisitor or vice versa. Like, i the core of imperial space, a inquisitor will in most cases fair much better waving his dick around, than a rogue trader. In border space or beyond imperial territory however, that can switch in an instant.
>>719390080Is it true? DoW IV is announced?
>>719390631https://store.steampowered.com/app/2272360/Warhammer_40000_Dawn_of_War_IV/But also anon is talking about the dark heresy crpg
>>719390080What kind of backgrounds will there be in this one, anyway? I don't know much about Dark Heresy but acolytes are meant to just be random citizens pressed into service, right?Also are Inquisitors formally allowed to fuck with alien shit like Rogue Traders are or nah?
>>719390387>Try approaching the Sororitas as a radical inquisitor with a bound daemonhost and a Necron blade on your hip, go ahead.lmao. As an inquistor you only answer to the god emperor himself (in theory).
>>719390820https://apps.ajott.io/dh2chargen/Here is an example of the variety of choices. Owlcat will not do them all, but one can definitely surmise what they like.
>>719390857The "in theory" is the fun part of it. And then you get confronted with the reality of imperial politics and realize your inquisitorial vignette opens many doors, but powerful organizations might still decide you murder you
>>719390857Remember when Argenta murdered a rogue trader without reprecusions?
>>719390364Still, Puritans are often the old and grizzled ones.
>>719390857In practice once you start going radical you gotta spend a great deal of your time being paranoid your fellow inquisitors aren't going to burn you at the stake.
>>719390440Inquisitors have far more power in the heart of the imperium, rogue readers have far more power on the fringes.
>>719391071>powerful organizations might still decide you murder youDude an entire astartes chapter was decimated because they crossed an inquisitor.
>>719391072She would be executed by the rogue trader's retinue if she didn't have plot armor
>>719391147And space wolves disappear inquisitors at will.
>>719391094The situation in the galaxy is so bad that no one cares what you sort of xenos scum you consort with as long as it has nothing to do with chaos.
>>719391094An Inquisitor gotta constantly worry about his xenos companions if he meets another Inquisitor. A Rogue Trader can just smirk while him and his xenos fuck around.
>>719391261They're nigh useless to chaos, very dim souls and no psykers. Yes, human auxiliaries among tau colonies are a major risk, although I don't recall any stories of letting chaos cults fester. Or genestealer ones for that matter, guess their smaller scale and high tech makes authoritarian surveillance easier.
>>719391261Tau have very minimal wap presence. They can fall to chaos but it's very unlikely (khorne tried to claim farsight). Guevesa are brainwashed by Tau so it reduces their chances of succumbing to chaos.
>>719391319Depends on the branch of the inquisition you're talking to.
>>719391304>Space wolves can kill grey knights >Space wolves can kill inquistors>Space wolves can defeat an undefeated necron lordYea totally acceptable.
>>719391147And the Space Wolves, Flesh Tearers and Dark Angels above everyone else have a habit of murdering Inquisitors that get too nosey. Again, it depends greatly on individual and circumstance.
>>719391319Once you get into the mindset of "working with aliens is ok as long as I'm doing it for the right reasons" it's pretty hard not to also get into the mindset of "well summoning daemons is bad but I'm doing it for a good cause so it's acceptable".Once you start doing radical shit you don't tend to stop. Until someone murders for it you at least.
>>719391562yes, its a reminder that being a legendary first founding chapter means you have a giant dick to smack people with who believe themself to be untouchable and above everyone else
>recruit the kroot>maybe recruit the elder if he's not an annoying bitch like Yrliet>act like a reasonable guy for the rest of the game and don't throat chaos cock>everyone in game proceeds to treat me as a puritan with a few exotic foibles >get interesting companion content with no drawbacks of being a radical It's literally that easy
>>719391926It would be interesting if ordos hereticus and ordos xenos had different suspicion ratings.
>>719391926The Inquisition is so anal retentive that even minor deviations will get you the stink eye among certain puritans.
>>719391926>>act like a reasonable guyWhoa whoa whoa let's not get too radical here
>>719390080Personally I think it's ridiculous that the Empire bothers fighting diplomatically-capable races like Eldar and Tau for any reason when threats like Chaos, Orks, Tyranids and Necrons exist.Yeah yeah muh space-nationalism and shit, but there is nothing to be gained by dedicating resources towards destroying perfectly good militaries that will also fight your galaxy-ending threats without you having to do anything for them. It's downright anti-Emperor to kill a being that can serve the Empire even if indirectly. I would even say it's heretical. Sure we'll get to genociding the lot of them when the cosmic horror entities are dealt with, but until that point you're aiding chaos by killing its enemies.
>>719392796Hahah look at this Xenos Hybris believer!
>>719390080In the lore, radicals get painful death from puritans.
>>719393095Well....
>>719390080I SUMMON OWLCAT!
>>719390080Being a radical is a high risk high reward stance, simple as. Sure, messing with xenos and chaos stuff can net great benefits. It might also tear you a new asshole, get you possessed, mutate you horribly, and do a thousand different other kinds of things to you and people around you that are much, much worse than death. It's no that Puritans have to show something to balance the scale, the scale is already balanced by the risks of being a puritan.
>>719392796personally, I think you're too low iq to understand warhammer40k. which is impressive because you don't need a very high iq to understand it.
>>719393659>falling to chaos is high-risk high-REWARD>chaos>reward
>>719393659Dealing with Xenos is one thing. Messing with forbidden warp lore is wholly another.
>>719393750Not falling to chaos, but messing with chaos, eg: bound daemonhosts, forbidden tomes and such. The risk of messing with chaos is falling to chaos.
>>719393659What's the risk of being Puritan? Boring everyone in the room to death? hahahahahahah!!
>>719391261Not a huge lorefag but wasn't there some stuff about their Fourth Sphere Expansion being lost to the warp for a bit and the Tau that came out of it were pretty fucked. Of questionable canon is Fire Warrior's Kais being directly blessed by Khorne for whatever reason but that's a bit different than corruption but it's not impossible, just unlikely if they don't stick their heads into the Immaterium
>>719392796Which part of "every race in the galaxy wants humanity dead" did you not understand?
>>719390080>Is there any tangible benefit to being a puritanical inquisitorYes. The god emperor will preserve their soul whereas the radical inquisitor's soul is damned.
>>719393807Messing with chaos always results in falling to chaos.At best, you can fall to the "good" kind of chaos; imperial saints and such. But radicals explicitly reject those in favour of the evil kinds.Fuck Gulliman, btw.
>>719391715>yes, its a reminder that being a legendary first founding chapter means you have a giant dick to smack people with >4 First Founding chapters were beaten by the same TauI guess Shadowun now have Draenei-tier horse cock
>>719394279>being a pussyPuritan inquisitiors are clearly not ready to take up the mantle of defense for the empire.
>>719392796It's a wargame first and a coherent setting secondHell in the tabletop probably 90% of conflicts are loyalist marine vs loyalist marine
>>719395275>empirelol. you don't know what you're talking about.
>>719396054"Noo you said empire instead of imperium!"I dont care.
>>719390080>puritan - can requisition aid of death watch, get zealous and powerful troops from ecclesiasrchy, tempestus scions, etc>radical - can no longer work with other imperial organizations, forced to consort with disloyal xenosThat's how the game will be balanced.
>>719396240Cant wait to consort with the Night Lords.
>>719396552Night lords aren't xenos, retard. They're chaos scum.
>>719393975Failing your duty to protect the Imperium because you refuse to make use of forbidden methods even when nothing else is viable in a given situation. Or even outright hurting the Imperium, by turning against its loyal subjects in a fit of dogmatic idocy.
>>719390080>tangible benefit to being a puritanical inquisitoryeah you probably get a ton of emprah buffs
>>719390080Can I have a callidus gf??? Pretty please?
>>719396629>"haha I will use chaos against itself and win!" - chaos corrupted inquistor #103848301974
>>719391261They're not immune to getting buttraped by demons, that's for sure.The only thing protecting them during warp travel is plot convenience.
>>719396804Tau use FTL. They don't use the warp.
>>719391715>Raven Guard and White Scars got theor shit kicked in by the Tau>The Imperial Fists literally don't exist any more after The Beast killed them all, modern Fists are a hodgepodge of brian-damaged Successors masquerading as the actual Fists>Dark Angels lost to Vashtorr just last edition>Thousand Sons burned Fenris and sent the Wolves running>Blood Angels were reduced to a fraction of their chapter strength because the Hive Mind was feeling spiteful>Iron Hands just recently cost an entire Crusade force because they were too stupid and stubborn to retreat from a worthless planet after the Eldar told them beforehand that it's not worth it
>>719396771So, you have a world that is about to be raped by a greater daemon of Slaanesh. There are no Imperial assets nearby that can stop it happening, but you do happen to have a forbidden grimoire in your possession that contains the true name of the daemon, which will allow you to stop it. The grimoire however, is a stuff of chaos. Wat do?
>>719396979Burn the grimoire, pray to the Emperor, kill the Daemon the old fashioned way with faith and steel.
>>719396979>saves one planet with the grimoire >falls to chaos>brings the doom of an entire subsystem afterwardsThat's why it is better dead than red/blue/pink/green.
>>719390080Is there any tangible benefit to being a law abiding citizen?In the lore, criminals can get free money, expensive cars, drugs, guns, and hell even hookers, but what the fuck do law abiding citizens even have to balance the scales?
>>719397065>haha I just godmode through the scenarioYou burn the grimoire, pray to the emperor, charge into battle, and get promptly turned into the daemon's rape toy, along with the entire planet, because as it turned out, you are not a named character, and as it turned out, the Emperor had more important things to protect that day than you or that planet.The thing is, you could have prayed to the Emperor instead to give you the strength to overcome whatever corruption the grimoire holds. Maybe you'd have failed, and >>719397086 would have happened. That's the risk of being a radical. Maybe you would have succeeded, but instead, you got yourself and a world killed. That's the risk of being a puritan.
>>719397169Radical inquisitors aren't renegades, retard. They're still operating within the legal bounds of their office. Huge difference.
>>719396587No fucking shit, retard.
>>719391072its ok the emperor told her to do it
>>719396771The emperor himself used the power of chaos to fight against them. It has worked so far.
>>719396587>They're chaos scum.Brother Vladus, flay this faggot.
>>719390387Yep radicals have to hide hide hide, Its not like hello I am radical inqusitor Jimmy nice to meet you ! Radicals are heretics and get Excommunicate Traitoris on face and blamm in head from Inqusition.
>>719391510Radical ordo heriticus/malleus inquistors have chained daemonhosts and radical orders xenos inquistors have alien mercenaries in their retinue. There is no branch without radicals
>>719397916Also it is interesting that they have a model of ordo hereticus inquistor with a clearly xenos servitor thing in his retinue.
>>719390080>what the fuck do puritans even have to balance the scales?Faith
>>719397875That really depends on how radical the other inquisitors are in the conclave, and politicking. If an inquisitor is radical but his pears are zealous puritanicals, then he really does have to hide. If an inquisitor has powerful friends, he has more leeway. If his peers are also radical, his ways will be accpeted more readily. But even being a radical has its degrees. Horusians are considered heretics to be burned by everyone else.
>>719397214>That's the risk of being a puritan.There is no risk in walking the path of light, fool.
>>719392342Sure, but that won't matter in game
>>719392796>It's downright anti-Emperor to kill a being that can serve the Empire even if indirectly. I would even say it's heretical.You would get accused of heresy and killed if you said this in-universe
>>719393231>Planning to denounce me for my obvious fraternization with chaos? >Heh, I'll just assassinate you rather than try to provide any reasonable justification or exoneration Radicals think this is an own
>>719399031Yes, while you are flopping your dick around and accusing loyal servants of the throne of heresy, radicals are actually getting things done.
>>719396240>owlcat game >balancedGood joke
>>719390080Puritans get the first three as well.
>>719397364Believing yourself equal to Him on Terra? Best believe that's a heresy.
>>719390306It's almost inevitable that any Puritan will eventually face a situation where the only way to kill the enemy involves self sacrifice, which they will gladly pursue if it means killing the enemy.
>>719397230>Radical inquisitors aren't renegadesNot yet, anyway.
>>719399312Is that meant to be a bad thing? Only in death does duty end.
>>719390080Puritans for life. Radicals are poopoo.
>>719399395No, it's just to explain why the longer someone serves in the Inquisition the more likely they are to become radical. At a certain point if you start valuing your own survival because you think you're so important for the Imperiums survival then you're already fucked and your downfall is inevitable.
>>719399395Duty does not end in death, only one's own ability to pursue it.
>>719399805Not necessarily. Someone would make a servo skulls out of you if you are precious enough and you can serve even in death.
whichever one gets the most pussy is the best
>>719399395You should ideally avoid dying because that stops you from persuing your duty. Lives are the Emperor's currency. Spend them well.
>>719400076Radical it is.
>>719400076You aren't fit for the inquisitor grindset. You stick with rogue trader.
>>719400151Not at the cost of compromising the imperial creed. Abhor the mutant, the heretic and the xenos.
>>719400076So far none of them considering the potential romance options
>>719392796I think it's a flaw in the setting that those diplomatically capable races exist, at least in the capacity that meaningful peace agreements can be reached. I think it's actively screwed the Eldar narratively that they've been inserted into this awkward "Ally" role with the Imperium.I think everyone should hate humanity in 40k, and the greatest extent of diplomacy is sketchy tech trading and temporary ceasefires. Craftworld Eldar and T'au should be just as genocidal in regards to humans as Orks and Necrons.
>>719400193Sisters of Battle do not have vows of celibacy, but they won't touch you if you are a radical. On the other hand, Slaaneshi daemonetess might.
>>719400393Caiaphas fucked an SoB. A Radical inquisitor definitely could.
>>719400393>On the other hand, Slaaneshi daemonetess might.But they have dicks. That's gay.
>>719400584just say "Nah, I don't want that" and it will adjust. Creatures of the warp are malleable.
>>719400569Caiaphas doesn't have any tendencies of a radical. He's actually quite conservative in his beliefs even if he adopts a generally more lenient role as Commisar.
>>719400676>"Nah, I don't want that"Getting into the role of the rape victim? Now that's more like it.
>>719400778The monkey paw of Slaanesh curls
>>719400676>implying the daemonettes need or want your consentYou will find out very quickly that your asshole is also malleable and can adjust.
>>719400698If not for his literally supernatural good fortune, Cain would have been executed by his Commissariat higher-ups for sympathizing with the troops. Literally, sympathy itself is a crime in his position. One of the first things the Schola Progenium beats out of its students is human decency because they all are going to end up in roles that require them to simply throw human life away into the Imperial meatgrinder.
>>719400943>Cain would have been executed by his Commissariat higher-ups for sympathizing with the troops. Literally, sympathy itself is a crime in his position.I'll need a source on these particular sentences.
>>719400569Ciaphas Cain is a self-insert Gary Stu
>>719401078Prepare to dig in his ass.
>>719401078>what is Warhammer 40,000it's okay anon, I know the franchise is drawing in a lot of newfags but you could try reading codexes sometime
>>719390080Fake image, AI hands cuz thats not how you hold a sword
>>719400943You're portraying Caine as being a lot softer than he is and the Commisariat as being a lot more uniform than it is. Ciaphas will still execute people if they get in the way of a mission (or threaten his own safety) and the Commisariat doesn't care exactly how you maintain discipline so long as discipline is maintained according to the standards of that Regiment.Cain and Yarrick are two of the Galaxies most famous Commisars and they both operate on the principle of keeping executions to a minimum, favoring keeping their soldiers effective over dogmatically strict standards and leading by example.Commisars who execute soldiers for having a torn page in their Uplifting Primer or having dirty armor during an active fire fight are a meme.
>>719401290That's the cove art for Dawn of War II Retribution.Sorry.
>>719401324Speaking of Cains position as commissar. Why hasnt he been promoted.
>>719401391cause he's dead
>>719401078Both Cain and Commissar Gaunt have internal dialogues when they meet their superiors that go along the lines of>boy I sure hope these stuck-up assholes don't realize I've been soft on my troops. They'd probably shoot me on the spot if they saw me flagrantly ignoring my Commissar training of how to enforce discipline>>719401172lol retard hasn't even read the Cain books or Gaunt's Ghosts, both of them are toeing a dangerous line and always pretend to be hardasses when they run into their bosses
>>719392796Emperor unironically didn't hate aliens by default. He wouldn't approve of genociding alien species for literally no reason. Sanctioned xenos exist for a reason, when he was conquering the galaxy any alien species that he came across that didn't do shit like enslave Humans or worship Chaos were ignored or incorporated. The rabid Skaven-esque xenophobia only came to be long after his big nap on the yellow chair.
>>719401324>Commisars who execute soldiers for having a torn page in their Uplifting Primer or having dirty armor during an active fire fight are a meme.No. They're the standard. You're citing specific characters who are specifically stated to be exceptions to the norm. Commissars aren't trained to be like Yarrick and Cain and Gaunt, they're trained to be like Commissar Raine, who absolutely will execute a grunt over a violation of company regulations because that's the only way to keep terrified, angry, hungry troops from abandoning all discipline and just running from the front lines.
Reminder that as of the latest Dawn of Fire book allying with Eldar is a Puritan decision.
>>719401427Oh
>>719391147The Celestial Lions got decimated not because they crossed a Inquisitor, but because they crossed the Inquisition as a whole. Very dumb move.
>>719401464>lol retard hasn't even read the Cain books or Gaunt's Ghosts, both of them are toeing a dangerous line and always pretend to be hardasses when they run into their bossesExcept, this does not happen, Guant's fellows know that he is not a hardass and they don't shoot him but instead put another commissar in his regiment (Hark) to be hard in his place if necessary. Both Gaunt and Hark are more than willing to summarily execute or otherwise discipline men when it's called for. Hark shoots a tank commander for fleeing from battle, and Gaunt is foaming at the mouth to shoot one of his own when the man turns out to be a serial killer. He also sends multiple soldiers into penal battalions (death sentence) for lesser offenses through the books. Cain goes through the entire series of his own books without getting into any situation that would require him shooting or otherwise being harsh on his men, their discipline is immacualte. There is only one case, when the gellar field fucks up on a ship due to the captain being a cheapstake, that he wants to execute someone, but the captain is dead by the time he gets there. And it is a reoccurring theme in multiple Cain books that he mentions that he OPENLY TEACHES his ways in the Schola and he repeatedly tells his students to NOT be ruthless assholes, because there will be times where their lives will depend on the willingness of their men to save it.TL;DR you are full of shit.
>>719401464>retard hasn't even read the Cain books or Gaunt's GhostsWhich one? I've read all of GG till salvations reach and I've yet to see a single mention of your imaginary asspull scenario of gaunt acting infront of his superior. I don't recall cain books having such a situation as well. Also, It is well established in GG that there are commissars who like to execute soldiers, throwing away their lives for minor infringements but gaunt and his fellow commissars of tanith first don't like that approach at all.
>>719391926Just having krrot bodyguards is enough to get puritan inquisitors mad at you. And you better not let them start eating corpses in front of others
Puritans don't get fucked in the ass by chaos, sooner or later
>>719396979Reminder that the Grey Knights can and will summon Slaaneshi demons to fight Khornate forces
>>719402054>>719402076fuck off newfaggots you aren't 40k fans, you never will be. Commissars are awesome because they're assholes who aren't allowed to be nice, Cain and Gaunt are fucking dogshit characters anyways
>>719401731>Dawn of FireLOL. Why would you read that crap?
>>719401623Commisars are trained to maintain order. Raine generally had to be more strict because she was operating with a war weary Regiment whose beloved officer she just executed because he didn't want to go on suicide mission.Caine never avoids shooting people when it's necessary in accordance with his training, but he lucks out by being placed in Regiments that are already disciplined and energetic and only need minimum guidance.
>>719391926Yrliet was good though. Yeah she made a big mistake, but that's just because she's a xenos and a woman. People are just mad that her "romance" is more of a really close and weird friendship, not romantic at all.
>>719401623I've noticed people trying to downplay commissars, implying that Gaunt and Cain are the norm, because trigger happy commissars will get fragged. Its almost like they don't know the commissar's defining ability on the tabletop has always been summary execution
>>719402265What an embarrassing post. Are you 12?
>>719401731Even Guilliman has to hide his eldar buddy because he knows people will freak
>>719402265Well if that makes you happy there was that one Gaunt book when one of his own men was put under the command of another commissar temporarily, who literally herded his men with a whip.>And Gaunt, who was oblivious to that fellow's methods, was just thinking to himself like "I hope it's not the type of commissar who uses a whip. If I ever see one of those I'll shoot them myself."
>>719396629You always kill traitors first. And there exist no traitors worse than radicals.
>>719402265lol chud doesn't know that warhammer is for everyone yet.
>>719400370>>719392796It's because most people in the Imperium government are corrupt, and they want war with those intelligent races simply because they want their shit and to seem important.The Imperium is what happens when good guys with good ideas get replaced by bureaucrats and politicians who pretend to have the same ideas but actually only care about themselves.
I'm through the first short story and 58 pages into the first Eisenhorn novel (Omnibus edition). This shit is extremely dry for a Dan Abnett book. Does it get better?
>>719402456Actually that book which shows the glimpse of a war through the eyes of the dog soldier guardsman instead of plot armored tanith was the best book in the series.
>>719400778>>719400894There is no r*pe in warhammer. Even the Emperor's children hate it.
The one thing that doesn't make sense to me in the wh40k setting is the extremely low number of space marines and how difficult it is to replace them.
>>719402391Anon, Commisars specifically use that skill when a unit is Battle Shocked, which represents a failure in bravery and morale due to mass casualties. Which is absolutely something Cain, Yarrick and Gaunt would all do if they felt they had too. But there is no benefit to using that skill on an otherwise cohesive and healthy squad.So even the tabletop directly contradicts what you're saying unless a Commisar is feeling cruel and wasteful.
Every single radical thinks they're just doing "what's necessary for the good of mankind" but every time they're just getting played by chaos
>>719402574The Imperium was born cruel, militant, and Genocidal.It didn't fall from Grace it just became anemic and crippled with age.
>>719402838Nah man not me. I'm too strong to get chaos corrupted.
>>719400569>a faithful servant of the Emperor who thinks himself worse than he actually is fucked and SoB>that means a literal traitor to humanity could toolol
>>719402452POP'S GONNA FREAK IF HE SEES YOU SENPAI, FOR REALSPACE
>>719402765>>719402391>>719402628There was that Cain book where he met with the inquisitor lady who he was railing on the regular, and she had her retinue with her. One of them was a drug-fuelded murder machine who was former guard.[/spoiler]A commissar who was reduced to a servitor-like state as punishment for mass-executing his men for minor infractions in the heat of a battle.[/spoiler]
>>719402905wrong bitch. it went to shit after the Emperor got fucked and a lot of parasites started pretending to be his will made manifest
>>719402905Eh, the nu-lore is that the imperium was an englightened reddit atheist empire before emps got preserved.
>>719402765>Which is absolutely something Cain, Yarrick and Gaunt would all do if they felt they had tooYarrick would, he's not like the other two. Cain and Gaunt lead from the front and inspire their troops with bravery rather than intimidation, I can't think of a single time either of them shot their troops for anything less than actual Chaos corruption.
>>719401464Gross oversimplification is always a sign of someone pulling shit out their ass. And having read both the a number of Cain novels and most of the Ghosts series, I can tell you: You're full of shit.
In the lore puritan inquisitors get the full support of the inquisition. The radical dude can enjoy his psykers and demon hosts, but the puritan can call an entire battlefleet in.It's like Eisenhorn vs Volk, guess who actually gets shit done. It's Volk. Eisenhorn causes more trouble than he solves.
>>719403089>gross oversimplificationno you stupid nigger, commissars aren't good guys or nice people. They're cogs of the Imperial war machine trained to see the troops as barely better than animals at best, and to execute at the slightest sign of disloyalty or cowardice. Cain and Gaunt are noteworthy because they're different from the average. It's what makes them heroic.
Abnett has a lot to answer for, both commissars and inquisitors are horrible people who mass execute innocents on the daily. The imperium isn't meant to be a well run machine where competent people get things done, it's burocratic hell.
>>719403129Do you really lose the full support of the inquisition for employing psykers? Sanctioned psykers are everywhere in the imperium.
>>719402932lmao
>>719402391Which both Cain and Gaunt have made use of. Difference is, the tabletop mini isn't a character or person, it's just a mini. All actual material focusing on Commissars or dealing with them shows trigger happy Commissars just don't live long enough to get anywhere.
>>719403239The bureaucratic hell was kinda inevitable given the insane scale the Imperium exists on. I wonder if it's even possible to have an authoritarian state stretched out that far without bullshit happening
>>719403001The Emperor made it to be everything that it is now in 40k. He knew it sucked from the beginning but he thought it was the only way to save humanity. Unfortunately, he was wrong.>>719403013Nope, it was a hell of 20 hour work days for everyone who isn't a nobleman. The Last Church shows exactly how horrible the Imperium was since day one, the Emperor enslaved all of humanity to work in his factories to build the war materiels for the Great Crusade. Terra went from a divided world of different empires, some of which enjoyed rather pleasant lives, to an authoritarian labor-broken hellhole due to the Emperor's plan.
>>719403164Literally no one said Commisars are good guys. People are just saying the memes about Commisars you read on 1d4chan aren't the actual standard
>>719403252It probably varies by sector. In warhammer everything is canon, except the horus heresy, which is just black library fan canon. And the tau. And every single piece of necron lore, or necron roll, roll of toilet paper.
Why is the Emperor so fucking strong? He solo'd 3 chaos gods, a massive invasion on Terra, and a fight with his strongest son AT THE SAME TIME and still won. Barely, but still. What's the lore reason for him being the strongest thing that exists in the universe?
>>719403430Keep in mind that all 40k fluff is meant to be propaganda told by one side or another, mostly by the imperium's side.
2027 The Emperor is no moreI am not the EmpressLife is good
>>719403402>Literally no one said Commisars are good guys. People are just saying the memes about Commisars you read on 1d4chan aren't the actual standardWhere the fuck do you think the Commissar memes came from? Thin fucking air? They came from the Imperial Guard codexes that used quotes and lore blurbs to emphasize how cruel and tyrannical Commissars are, and they also came from the very same goddamn Gaunt and Cain books, which explicitly state that Gaunt and Cain are softies that are nothing like the vast majority of commissars. Gaunt and Cain are constantly compared with their peers as anomalies within the setting
>>719403430He's a plot device
>>719403430It's an asspull. The Emperor was initially just a mythological entity [Definietly not dead we promise]. But over time the setting drank it's own Kool-aid and the Emperor genuinely became what all the BS legends said he was.
>>719402905The Imperium was surely militant, as it had to be, and xenocidal, as it had to be, but it wasn't cruel. Cruelty came when it became clear no other way existed to survive. See the Unspoken Sanction as prime example.
how many psyker schools are there
>>719403512Yes current day lore of abaddon splitting the galaxy into two while continuing to conquer world after world with least resistance is certainly imperial propaganda
>>719403430He did something with the Chaos Gods on a planet called Molech which made him much stronger and also gave him the means to make the primarchs. Either he stole power from them, or he made some kind of deal with them that he presumably reneged on, or tried to at least.
>>719403670None of that shit's canon thankfully.
>>719403239You seem to lack enough life experience to know how buerocratic hells work. They are not that way because people close to the action are morons, or evil, but because they don't have the power to make decisions. If you ever get dragged through the mud by a buerocratic process, it's most likely because even though the officials would like to help you, their hands are tied by process and protocol and regulations. This is why it's buerocratic. Literally means, the rule of paper. Commissars and Inquisitors can't be used to exemplify the Imperium being what you describe it as, because both have extreme amounts of agency. Their institutions exist specifically because the Imperium KNOWS that it is a buerocratic hellhole, and sometimes it needs agents to get shit done no questions asked. Rather than power-tripping commissars and inquisitors, a better example of the Imperium being a buerocratic hellhole would be an otherwise sympathetic commissar being obliged to execute a guard commander who does not want to follow suicidal orders, which were given because the cogwork of the administratum is a century behind the current events.
>>719403512Sure but most people don't know and aren't allowed to know about that part of the Emperor's story, within the Imperium.
>>719403645I mean, servitors were a thing in 30k too
>>719403702>he doesn't know
How would you unfuck the dogshit fluff of nu-hammer? They turned it into age of sigmar in space. Hell aos is cooler by now.
>>719403430Racism.
>>719403571Again, if you could think rationally for half a minute, no one said bad commisars weren't a thing in the setting either. This conversation started when you said other Commisars would try to execute Ciaphas fucking Caine for not being strict enough and devolved into you just defending the idea "Bad people exist in 40k"No shit. Go take a nap or something, cranky puss.
>>719403252You don't. Plenty of puritan psykers around. Fuck even RT tells you upfront there is an entire discipline of psy-powers that is tooled entirely towards countering the warp and daemons.Also you know, Grey Knights.
>>719403790I hate the primarchs but what can we do, people love them. They could have at least kept the Lion being an asshole but they just gave him offscreen character development while he was in a coma
>>719403645Yeah we're just gonna genocide you guys abd your advanced Utopian society because you've lived in peaceful harmony with your xenos neighbors for milleniaNot cruel tho.
>>719403825They used to execute everyone who saw the grey knights to keep them as secretive as possible. Guess they retconned it...like every other controversial lore bit
If it all happened today, would you still choose the same?MY EMPEROR MY EMPEROR MY EMPEROR MY EM PER ROR
>>719403818>Again, if you could think rationallyDon't you fucking start that shit you retarded nigger. You tried to use Cain and Gaunt as examples of the average commissar, trying to make Commissars in general sound reasonable and competent when the entire point is they're paranoid monsters in coats who can and will shoot you on a dime, without any remorse whatsoever, if they suspect you might be having disloyal thoughts. And even if they don't think you're planning to desert the lines, they might shoot you anyways just to make the rest of the company fight harder. That's not a meme, that's the goddamn lore, even the Cain and Gaunt books point out this is the baseline for the setting, and you clearly haven't read them if you're trying to argue otherwise.
>>719403790>They turned it into age of sigmar in space.Age of Sigmar is just 40K in fantasy.
>>719392796Thing is, diplomacy possible =/ diplomacy practical.Eldar think humans are retarded monkeigh, they see us as practically indistinguishable from Orks. Just another genocidal threat among many - and one that is reliably corrupt and treacherous when it takes a break from being no-talky-just-killy hostile, and also constantly on its back foot against other factions. Not really an appealing alliance prospect! Plus, the cultural piece is really big, they really do think we're a retarded infant race that it's humiliating to have to deal with.Tao are similar but we're the horrible ancient eldritch mega-Nazis instead. They meet random human colonists, think 'hey these guys are cool, we finally found a friend besides the damn Kroot, hate those guys' and ten seconds later are being fucked to death by chaos cultists, torched by Sisterhood flamers, detonated by IG artillery and atomized by mega meltas from orbit, in that order. Meanwhile they're actually super-secret totalitarian commies themselves but the Inquisition saw through that in like five minutes flat and takes their offers of freindship for exactly what they're worth, foul xenos lies.So yeah, arms-length tactical agreements (eg we don't fight until the nids are dead) are about as good as it gets.
I think we need more intelligent orks. At least ONE of them has to look up, looks what's going on around them, and realize it's FUCKED and then DO SOMETHING ABOUT IT
>>719404214Boy are there two books waiting for you.
>>719404214Ghaz is that
>>719404191>Eldar think humans are retarded monkeighNotice how none of the eldar that have reached terra have shit talked the emperor. They're just arrogant prices who can't see the shit smear on their asses but proceed to complain about others.
Someone tell GW that this stupid diver armor from the 18th century looks stupid and that they can stop putting it on everyone.When they put it on the bretonnian cavalry I laughed.
>>719404581why is the black guy missing some of his head
>>719403969They didn't retcon the Inquisition being shitheads. I just pointed out the literal chamber militant of the Ordo Malleus is comprised entirely of fucking psykers.
>>719398319>Horusians are considered heretics to be burned by everyone else.Is the horusian wars series worth reading? I don't find any inquistor novels being recommended here besides eisenhorn and ravenor. I liked vaults of terra which was another hidden inquistor gem.
>>719403969I view all post 2nd war for armageddon lore as basically just fan fiction. Except maybe the siege of vraks.
My only experience with 40k is RT, the first Space Marine game and a book by C S Goto that I barely remember. What should I read?
>>719404892Andy Chambers' dark eldar trilogy, the two ork books and maybe imperial armour 8 and then nothing else.
>>719404434The Emperor doesn't qualify as human
>>719404163Dude this conversation started because you said Ciaphas Cain would be executed for how he does his Job when he's literally the darling of both the Commisarist and the Inquisition and taught in the Schola ProgeniumWe have 4 examples of exemplary Commisars who all took a balanced, metered approach to blend loyalty and inspiration with physical discipline and fear to get the best results from their soldiers and bring glory to the Imperium.You meanwhile have been screaming that these, in setting very famous and adored Heroes, are the equivalent of radical Inquisitors and would totally be executed because ????
>>719405169Not him, but hey should be executed because they suck dick.
>>7319405026He was though. He had to cast his human feelings into the void to be able to kill his son.
>>719404581That looks sick. What are you on about?
>>719405169You need my fuckign cock bitch
Hello, who wants to talk about infinity?
>>719404892Horus heresy trilogy. That's the rabbithole to all of black library.
>>719404892i'm no 40k knower but theres a couple ones i read and enjoyed;brutal kunning and da big dakkaforges of mars omnibusfabius bile omnibusgenefatherthe infinite and the divine(a good read despite the more serious w40k people foaming at the mouth over it being somewhat light-hearted)i'll probably get the night lords omnibus for some space marine stuff. wanted the carcharodons trilogy but the books are too pricey
Are necrons the biggest mary sues in the setting?
>>719405918>assblasted marinefag
>>719405918how about you necron this dick
>>719405529I don't care about expensive plastic toys.
>>719406041>>719406120It could be custodes.>>719406135The modern 40k audience everyone.
>>719405918no. theyre getting eternally dicked by the flayer curse
how do the tau win any battles more than once?>win a battle>by the time they've reached their next battle, that generation of soldiers have long since retired or died and the new generation have to learn from scratch again>repeat ad nauseam
>>719406332>ugh we're so cursed with awesomeYep, that's a mary sue.
>>719406371only one flayed guy is awesome, and he got shat on by the empire
>>719405529>>719406187>complains about 40k getting woke>likes shitty marvelified modelssheesh
The admech look so shit I no longer want a dark mechanicum faction. Gj GW.
>>719406187The women aren't ugly enough
>>719406368because they're GAU
>>719406368You ignore retarded retcons relating to Tau FTL
>>719397065Based chadtor rex>>719397214Nah I’d win I’m the emperors top guy
>>71940637198% of Necrons are mindless slaves to the asshole nobles
>>719403356The Emperor did not intend for the Imperium to become what it is in 40k
>>719406368>digitized brain scans of veterans to act as engram instructors for new generations>extremely useful soldiers can be cryogenically frozen so they can fight battles in the future>Fire Warriors probably use VR simulations to get up to speed on tactics
>>719401391He didn’t want it and he is dead from old age
>>719406041more of a Fubuki guy myself
Who the fuck likes da vinci and steam punk so much at games workshop?
>>719402265>gets proven wrong >doubles downMust be a tgtroon
>>719390080The most famous radical ones did stupid shit with questionable results.>Eisenhorn, actually an ordo xenos guy gets lost in hunting a demon and ends up losing all his friends and lovero this quest.>Kryptman discovers the tyranids and his game plan to destroy them is to bloe up worlds in their path so they starve. Then he decides to have Orks and Tyranids go at each other on Octarius and hope they kill each other.>Meanwhile, Vakir a literal who ordo malleus inquisitor sacrifices her soult to guide a group of grey knights can find their lost supreme grand master in the garden of nurgle and kick mortarion in his rotten balls.Ngl, Inquisitors are mostly crazy psychos that have a poor track record.
>>719403936>allying with xenos Deserved
>>719403239That’s literally the point of the inquisition though they are meant to be people who cut through the beauracracy to get things done
my autistic boys in red and white deserve some love
>>719404892Eisenhorn is great, gaunts ghosts is quite good although it falls off a bit after salvations reach, Ciaphas Cain is a pretty introduction to the setting, forges of mars is good for mechanicus, highly recommend reading imperial armor and Horus heresy forge world books
>>719408530We don't know what happened to Eisenhorn though. He is shown to be in absolute control of his warp powers like a living saint so far.
>>719405918That would be the tau
I hate the tauevery time you go the beach the fucking germans have already put theirs on every sunbed
>>719405918>>719409052no, thats Space Marines with a name and a model.
>>719409174Still not as bad as the tau
>>719409235oh my sweet, sweet summer child. Tau get a mention like once every two years. Mary Sue Space Marines being unbeatable badasses who cant ever loose (unless you are some redshirt no name chapter no one gives a fuck about) get new shit every two months.
>>719390080Puritans get Sisters of Battle, Sisters of Silence, Grey Knights, Kalexus Assassins, Death Guards and Black Templars
>>719390080>what the fuck do puritans even have to balance the scales?Support from the Priesthood and other external forces. In the boardgame you can get access to both assassins and archoflagellants, the latter being a particularly 'Fuck it, we ball' method of causing entertaining amounts of collateral.
>>719409827Good.
>>719390080Here's an easy one. The Puritans are right. Chaos and Xenos WILL fucking kill you or worse. 99.99% of the time the Puritans are right, and when it really comes down to it they're actually right 100% of the time because a second-order consequence of Radicalism is that if it doesn't kill you you'll do it again which is another roll of the dice.The reason everyone is so extreme in 40k is that it's not just some dumb prejudice, it's the eminently rational thing to be an extreme intolerant xenophobe. Before the decline of the Imperium and its slide into religious extremism, the Emperor was a a hardcore fedora-tipping athiest... And he was WAY more extreme than even Puritan Inquisitors are. The Emperor made Gregor Eisenhorn look like Gideon Ravenor.
>>719409827Still not as bad as tau
>>719410320The emperor wasn’t an atheist because he genuinely believed it it was because he was trying to starve the chaos gods and weaken the power of the warp
>>719410320people in universe dont have meta knowledge of the setting tho. They see "Alright, its really fucking desperate and with our ways we only hold the line and are slowly grinded down. We need desperate measures and big risks to maybe turn things." and for them thats a totally ration conclusion to make
>>719409961>Puritans get .... Death Guards
>>719410320>he was WAY more extreme than even Puritan Inquisitors are.Eldrad was his friend. The emperor wasn't as red pilled based boy racist man as you think.
>>719400569Cain didn't, you're thinking of the Bursar.
>>719409827You must have missed GWs retarded ass tau phase where they retconned a bunch of stuff to make the Tau seem badass and like a real threat instead of the fucking hillbilly nobodies they canonically are.
>>719410320>he was WAY more extreme than even Puritan Inquisitors are.>moloch>primarchs>the dark king shit>web way project Nigger what the fuck are you talking about?
>>719411159when was that, like 10 years ago? I really cant be bothered to give a fuck, anon
>>719404190Tonally it doesn't make sens. 40k is way more grimderp than fantasy, while AoS is the only one without core grimdarkness due to Chaos running out of tricks and winging it
>>719410882"""friend"""Emps only interest in the eldar was highjacking and reverse engineering their webway, which the Eldar themselves didn't even build to begin with.
>>719403790They keep turning age of sigmar grimdark unironically. It’s not exactly what I want from it as something I enjoy running narrative games for either. It ruined fantasy battle after 5th edition and it’s not what Aos should go for.
>>719408530>>Eisenhorn, actually an ordo xenos guy gets lost in hunting a demon and ends up losing all his friends and lovero this quest.that's what you get when you're longing for balls
>>719411481>They keep turning age of sigmar grimdark unironicallySome fag at GW defiently tries that, but it doesn't realy work, because unlike 40k where there are no good guys and everything is awful, there are clear good guys who are objectively correct, so when you try to say "they killed 1000s" for shock value, the respons is "well those 1000s obviously deserved it".You can see they sort of droped that angle after trying it few years ago, probably specifically because of the general respons not treating it the way the writeers wanted.
>>719404581>Buying Bretonnian cavalryVictrix is releasing better models for half the price.
>>719411282To be fair, even fantasy was lighter than 40K. Empire was flawed as fuck, Bretonnia even more so, but they are way better than the 40K imperium. Meanwhile, Dwarves and High Elves might be smug and stupid in equal parts but they are firmly on the side of the Empire if only out of basic self preservation.
>>719404581Those are based on old Jes Goodwin designs from the 90s that he did for the unreleased version of Battlefleet Gothic
>>719412493If you want some more well-suited helmets, you do need to buy an extra sprue from them, which makes it about the same price as what GW is selling the Brettonians, and you get more of them for that price, but the Vicrix knights do look nicer.
>>719402359The issue with her romance is you're bending over backward to understand Aeldari culture, but she's not doing as much to see value in you as (or despite) humanity. If it was more >In you I trust and put my soul's protection, for we are bond in a way that is beyond just the flesh and connected across the aeons. This is a love that transcends mere carnal acts. I know the value you put in them between devoted partnership, but for my kind it would be a chance for She Who Thirsts to intercede during my passion, so I must deny myself to keep to my Way. I know this is disappointing, but i hope you can understand after all we've shared together instead of >Okay, well you've really shown yourself to be more than a mon-keigh that wants to just hump my leg like a dog. Okay, I'll hold your hand and all but uh look I can fuck but not...you. You've learned to give me your paw, but you're not an actual person in the same way my people are so uh.. . yeah sorry. Even a devoted pet fornicating with its master or mistress is a path to degeneracy unbecoming of my people and puts a horrible burden on yours as well.
>>719413117Yeah, the extra helmets thing is annoying but the models generally look better and I'm pretty sure they are also compatible with the foot knights. You can probably get cheaper medieval figures elsewhere if you want but buying actual Bretonnia is silly when the entire range is worse than most historical nowadays.
>>719413125I weep.Hope I can give the Kroot in DH a really good back massage as compensation for my lost Yrliet sex.
>>719396936How are fist successor chapters “different” than fists. They are literally imperial fists that put different color paint on their armor. And there is literally an in universe secret protocol reminding them they are still actually imperial fists
>>719413216The recent Character models for Brettonia are generally great, so long as they weren't stuck in a drawer for two decades, but the rest of the range is very much a mixed bag. Stuff like the Trebuchet and Questing Knights still look great despite their age, but stuff like Squires, Mounted Yoemen, and Pegsus Knights do look rather rough and severely showing their age.
>>719403239To illustrate bureaucratic hell effectively you have to show the alternative and put it out of reach. Which is what abnett does, not even the ghosts really end up benefiting from Cain most of them die over the series
>>719413805Character models are pretty good, though I must admit I do have some issues with how they are somewhat moving away from the more historical looking models (Similar to what happened with the Empire). Honestly, my biggest issue with almost all of the Old World is the price. I don't hate all of the old models just for being old, but I know I can get models on other places that look just as, if not better, for the same or lesser price.
>>719397065>5Well no chaos digits so Anon wins.
>>719413984Not from GW, you can'tWeirdly, The Old World is probably one of the cheaper games GW produces that you can get into, since you get a high volume of models per box a full WoC army for TOW vs a Slaves to Darkness army for AoS is rather stark
>>719390306In that case, where does the player characters master sit on the scale of puritan and radical, I'm assuming he's based from the tabletop.
>>719416030right in the middle, he hates both sides and wants them to not gain leverage over each other.
What exactly is being an acolyte? Is that just what those in the inquisition would call you, but the rest of the world would just take you as an inquisitor? Or are you just a grunt for an inquisitor?
>>719391072And she kept is secret until cumrag because she was overstepping and knew it. Regardless of what Theodora was doing she was still a rogue trader.
>>719416202Ah. Wonder if that'll be an option or if it'll be like Rogue Trader were they'll want you to ultimately commit to one.
>>719416561You can definitely choose I bet.Your Inquisitor boss was made with the PnP in mid so players wouldnt feel forced to commit to anything.
>>719390080They should really show off more companions. All we've seen so far is >Negress Medicae>Catachan bro>Ogryn >Kroot>Eldar Corsair (a way seeker at that)
>>719416743There's almost assuredly a space marine, maybe a sister of battle if the one portrait of one you briefly see in the last trailer is a companion (looked like an older order of the sacred rose sister), and some kind of admech representation, especially since GW seems to love pushing them recently.
>>719390080An Inquisitor who doesn't start off puritanical has no heart, an Inquisitor who doesn't end up radical has no brain.
>>719392796Read some lore and come back pipsqueak, eldar are iredeemable. The whole plotline with grammaticus and the fulgurite is absolute pants on retardness, tzeentch is wanking back to back to that shit. Not even magnus was that retarded. There are no bigger morons in lore than eldar, vulkan was so fucking right>hurr durr we must rape all humanity to save chaos, kill their best and turn them on each other that will save our faggot race
>>719417223That wasn't the Eldar, that was the Cabal. The Cabal were an assortment of various xenos and some humans, with only one significant Eldar among them.Guess who hunted down and destroyed the Cabal, anon.
>>719411283He also learned swordsmanship from them
>>719392796The problem with the eldar is that they think a human is a ducking monkey and one of them is worth a thousand humans, at best. The Tau are young and naive and think they know best, while also being kept in the dark about shit like chaos by the eternal caste.
>>719417223>>719417419It's ironic because Eldrad was the one who helped Vulkan get back to Terra for the Siege
>>719417419>t. eldar seerYes i see now please face the wall xenos,
>>719417702If the Emperor had paid attention during those lessons he might have whipped Horus' ass properly.
>>719417709This is exaggerated in the sense that the average craftworld eldar does feel bad about killing humans, it's partially why they need war masks to suppress their emotions and forget their guilt There's also at least one craftworld, Lugganath, that went after Dark Eldar for no reason other than wanting to help their Imperial allies. Lugganath are consistently the least xenophobic craftworld though, they also like the Tau
>>719417051>Space Marine companion is a black shield >Remains cagey about his former chapter throughout>In his good ending he seemingly departs to return to the death watch >His final words to the acolyte before leaving are "Hydra Dominatus">Player character never sees him again
>>719417790Oh wow gee thanks, will totally forget the whole fulgurite attempt to kill the most benevolent and human of all primarchs, you are best alien
>>719418116Don't forget to thank him for killing the Cabal too
>>719418116>HH faggot tells people to read lore that he himself didn't readHey buddy>The Cabal itself eventually came to be seen as a threat to the Aeldari species' ability to defeat Chaos as foreseen by its greatest Farseer, Eldrad Ulthran of Craftworld Ulthwe. To prevent the Cabal from carrying out its plans during the Heresy to see the Imperium of Man lose the war to Chaos, the Farseer and his agents arranged to eliminate much of the Cabal's leadership and its most important agents.>By the middle of the 32nd Millennium AD, Ulthran would report that the Cabal had been destroyed.
>>719418301>eldar fags realize that full corrupt chaos humanity would bring about the end of their fag species>quietly retract on all their previous statements and pull a 180Lmao
>>719419202Anon it wasn't the Eldar who tried to help the Heresy succeed, you fucking moron.The only time they were even involved in the Heresy is >Attempting to kill Angron after he first landed on Nucrecia (Unconfirmed with a lack of details, more likely Dark Eldar as it was only described as 'bodies like Eldar')>Eldrad attempting to warn the Emperor about Horus (Was blocked by Fulgrim)>Eldrad helping Vulkan get to Terra (After convincing John Grammaticus to abandon the Cabal and save Vulkan instead of perma-killing him)>Eldrad hunting down the Cabal to stop their machinations>Several Maiden and Exodite worlds being attacked by Marines (Including one where Exodites had been saving Humans from Commoragh, and another where Humans and Eldar had been living peacefully together)The Eldar never tried to help Horus or Chaos destroy the Imperium. Eldar legitimately hate Chaos more than the Imperium does.
>>719419612>The cabal included eldar seersSpeaks for itself>eldrad warned the emperor about horusVery convenient timing desu, just when it served eldar interests. Didnt do jack shit against the istvaan atrocity etc.>eldar have been raiding human worlds during the great crusadeRead unremembered empire eldar apologist lorelet pls. Also read raven guard basic lore. Disgusting desu.>angron assassination directly benefited horus, turning one of the most powerful primarchs (a potential empath above even vulkan in his love for humanity) against the imperiumFurthered the chaos plan, gee thanks seers>overall granted chaos breathing room because they thought it would aid their survivalBrothers pls bring the flamers now.
