What qualities differentiate them and make one a more compatible suitor for Cloud than the other?
>>719408029Aerith dies halfway through the game
you should have to buy tifa a new bra every time she levels up.
>>719408124That is a pretty strong argument, it must be said.
>>719408029I want to shake Tifa's hand and present her a "Big Bazoongas" award.
>>719408029aerith dies at one point so unless cloud is into necrophilia tifa is the default winner
>>719408029>imagine being an Aerith fag
>>719408029FF7 should have stayed anime.
>>719408626I don't like the remake for its cenorship, retarded time travel story changes and godawful open world gameplay but i think the first remake looked pretty good, the second remake however looked way worse as a result of them going open world and having to trastically decrease model quality
Boobs are uninteresting.
>>719408963Tifa still probably has better thighs even if Aerith would have soft, creamy, daresay - bite-able pale legs.
>>719408029Ok so basically Aerith is a bit of a loudmouth and has an attitude, like Cloud's mom says she's an older girl who's playful and can put him in his place when he's trying to act aloof or cool.By comparison Tifa's just kind of an insecure doormat who goes along with Cloud's schizophrenia and asocial attitude.
Being with Aerith would prove Cloud is growing, maturing, moving on, striving for more, better.Being with Tifa means regressing into a childish comfort, settling for less, taking the easy road, giving up.
>>719409429But if Tifa loves you for who you are then isn't that more important?
>>719408124>>719408517
>>719408029Being alive for starters
>no gay option in your partySad.
>>719409473Not if "who you are" is inherently pretty shit.
>>719408029>TifaLoyal, Caring, Modest>AerithAnnoying, Vapid, Whore
>>719409719>when the John doesn't pay
>>719410079Remember, the reason Tifa is the dream girl of so many autists isn't just her tits, but because she has no personality beyond caring about, worrying about, and loving an autistic guy who doesn't have to put in any effort and who she will love no matter what he does. Not hard to see why they like that idea, because god knows working on themselves to change or improve is not on the menu.
>>719410301I agree and I think it actually does a poor service to the character, because her biggest fans seem to actually prefer her to be a living blow up doll.When I first played the OG game at a friend's house in 97 I was as big a titty fan as anyone and much preferred Tifa myself. But after actually playing the game in depth and learning the characters better, along with some age and wisdom probably, I've come to see Aerith (who is no slouch in the looks department herself, mind you) as way cooler.I've had girlfriends who pushed and challenged me to be better, and I've had girlfriends who were just a wet blanket or piece of arm candy at best who did nothing but hold me back. The first type is infinitely better.But I know I know...tits!
>>719409719>>719410228Looks like she still swallowed.
>>719408029One of them is alive.
>>719410301Nice projection, bro. Hope you get that therapy.
>>719410913>I have multiple failed relationshipsKek.
>>719411184>I've only ever dated one person>actually make that zeroWeird flex anon but whatever you say.
>>719411142No need to announce your touched nerve, Tifabro. I'm sure a big titty girl from your childhood will show up again any day now to take care of you.
>>719410301>>719410913>work on yourself!>change and improve!>a girlfriend who pushes and challenges you to be better!The entire point of fantasy is to offer an appealing alternative to the eugenics hellscape of the 3D world. A girl who loves you as you are, not whose love is provisional on you continuing to strive for some ever elusive masculine ideal (btw, Chad's already there and she'll somersault onto his cock eventually).
>>719411851Based! This fellow Tifa gooner understands her appeal.
>>719410207>TifaLively>AerithNot so much lmao
>>719411851So in other words, you're proving us exactly right?My reality doesn't include being a boring autist anon, sorry if yours does. But I've been through some bad shit in my life that I made it out of, and anyone who could help me out of it would have been a much bigger fantasy for me in those days.
>>719411851>>work on yourself!>>change and improve!>anon sees these words and thinks he's in a "hellscape"lmao, the tifa fanbase everyone
Aeris is the cutest. I want her to have my babies.
>>719410301>>719410913Meanwhile Aeris cares and worries about the same autistic guy she barely knows mostly because he reminds her of her previous boyfriend in the most shallow ways
>>719412287That's the initial attraction, yes. But then she sees that Cloud and Zack are really quite different and she grows to care for and like Cloud for himself.Not surprising that autistic Tifafags don't understand character interactions and plot, too busy gooning for the last 30 years I guess.
>>719408029i dont care about cloudaerith is perfect for anti social introverted losers since her entire personality is being cheerful and extroverted that will be break you out of your shelladmittedly tifa is very good waifu as well but just not for me
>it's a tifafag tries to convince everyone aerith is secretly evil episodeyawn, I hate repeats
>>719408423She never wore one.
>>719408517Well that's kinda the tragedy of FF7.Aerith is Cloud's perfect match, but she dies so he has to settle for Tifa.
>>719411320>It's actually cool to have a string of romantic failureslooooool
>>719412647>But then she sees that Cloud and Zack are really quite different and she grows to care for and like Cloud for himselfWhy does that matter when we're talking about the same "autistic guy" that you're criticizing Tifa for liking?>Not surprising that autistic Tifafags don't understand character interactionshow ironic
>>719412906Aerith doesn't just like Cloud for who he is outwardly, she pushes his buttons cause she knows there's more to him than the tough guy front he puts on.
>>719412843What's cooler, anon? No romance at all, or "I married my high school gf" or... "still waiting on The One" (lol)Which boat are you in? We could all learn from a cool guy who knows love.TRY to write a real post instead of a greentext, if you're capable.
>>719412906>we're talking about the same "autistic guy" that you're criticizing Tifa for liking?No one is criticizing Cloud. The "autistic guy" is the giga-autist that Tifafags project as, WILLINGLY. Cloud even at his worst is unironically much cooler than the average Tifafag.
>>719412843>autism speaks
>>719413130>Aerith doesn't just like Cloud for who he is outwardlyShe still likes the same guy that Tifa was criticized for liking, it's a bizarre double standard. Or are you saying that Aeris is attracted to the "Zack version" of Cloud rather than the real one?
Cloud and Tifa have a lot of history together. But they've also been through the mud together. And there's a lot of trauma wrapped up in their memories of each other. But it's also trauma that only they can really understand. What's more, Tifa can be Cloud's anchor. She knows which parts of Cloud's history are not Jenova hivemind deceptions. If Cloud and Tifa can overcome each other's deepest anxieties, they can come out the other side stronger than ever but doing that requires grappling with an incredible amount of pain. Aerith doesn't really have that, she theoretically could be a new start for Cloud. But can Aerith really detangle Cloud's brain worms like Tifa can? Cloud doesn't have to look at Aerith and remember that time he failed. Or when his family got murdered. But how the hell can Aerith understand the depth of what Cloud is dealing with? But at the same time, the fact Cloud's worst day never comes up with Aerith means he can be her superhero with no compromises.
>>719413270Ah yes, clearly Cloud is only autistic when people think he belongs with Tifa and not when other people think he belongs with Aeris, definitely no double standards here.
>>719413168Married 10 years. Why is it so important for you to solidify just how above you I am? I was merely belittling you. There as no need to involve my greatness to further humiliate you. Your constant string of failures was enough.
>>719413404Putting aside the fact that Zack!Cloud acts nothing like the actual Zack, you're missing the point.Aerith likes Cloud cause underneath the aloofness and bravado he's a self-cobscious softie who she can make come out by pushing his buttons hard enough, she essentially makes sure Cloud doesn't get his head too far up his ass.Meanwhile Tifa facilitates Cloud's delusional merc tendencies and never challenges his personality because he's just happy to have a part of her home back, Cloud could literally be any other Nibelheim kid and she'd develop feelings for him regardless.
>>719413541The problem with a girl like Tifa is she will allow Cloud (or you) to embrace your autism and even double-down on it. The Aeriths of the world challenge you to be better than that.Tifafags and Aerithfags actually AGREE on this much and both sides have said as much in this very thread, the only difference is Tifafags see this enabling as a good thing, as part of the fantasy as >>719411851 came right out and said. GAINSbros do not and challenge this, much as Aerith challenges Cloud.
>>719413840>Cloud could literally be any other Nibelheim kidNTA but I think that's a step too far. Even before Sephiroth went nuclear, Tifa was already growing attached to the idea of Cloud. Yes I said the idea of Cloud because by the time she noticed him, he was already gone. But it's not like Tifa projected onto just anyone from Nibelheim. If we're taking Crisis Core as canon then Tifa was already fantasizing about Cloud before Zack showed up. Point being Cloud was always a special case to her even if the connection wasn't as deep as either Cloud or Tifa wanted
>>719409429this
>>719413958
>>719414179nta but Nojima already canonised it in the Remake novella
>>719414243Based on this, it seems like Tifa was hoping Cloud would recover on his own and she'd just be his safety net. Versus Aerith who'd distract with a date or something
>>719408029Tifa is the most bland and boring vidya waifu in all of gaming. Aerith has more of a personality, but she dies. Doesn't matter either way because Yuffie mogs both of them.
>>719413840>Aerith likes Cloud cause>Meanwhile Tifa facilitates Cloud'sThey're both dealing with the same guy and the original criticism was Cloud was a projection of a self inserting autist except that only applied to fans of a specific who liked a character that liked him. It really doesn't matter what the characters' supposed motivations are when the accusation applies to someone else instead, I'm just pointing out the hypocrisy/double standard at work here.
>>719414376So yeah it looks like Cloud's declaration stuck with her because Tifa had other options but didn't take them. Do we know what happened to Emilio by chance?
>>719413958>wow this guy thinks he was in a special forces group of genetically enhanced soldiers with top level combat abilities>oh he actually as is strong as he thinks he is it's like telling a billionaire they need to stop thinking they're well off because you knew them when they weren't
>>719408029>AerithBig tits, huge ass, big thighs, wide hips, very long hair, physically frail, supercharged version of the classical sexy body.>PlussesFun, go-getter, headstrong, smart, firecracker, genki, adventurous, emotionally strong, inquisitive, forward-looking, outspoken, mysterious, socially aware, self-reflective, rational, sexually confident, charismatic, seductive, streetsmart and life enjoying. >MinusesTough love type, selfish, flippant, demanding, rebellious, insubordinate, slum cultured, reckless and manipulative.>TifaHuge tits, long legs, long hair, midriff, physically strong, unique min-maxed sexy body.>PlussesLoyal, safe, demure, caring, kind, supportive, physically brave, never wants to burden another, against violence and naive (It's cute.). >MinusesProcrastinating, a bit stupid, timid, emotionally weak, jealous, codependent, wallows in the past, sexually insecure, low self-esteem, depressed, at her lowest point suicidal, deals badly with stress, hides her pain with a smile, prone to pretense of normalcy, liar and self sabotaging.Aerith can bring Cloud out of his shell, push him to be better and look to the future and Tifa can bond and support him through their shared past and trauma. Both are great matches.
>>719408029It's 2025, how does this not automatically constitute trolling at this point?
>>719415482Tifa felt that challenging Cloud too hard over the past could cause problems and that's exactly what happened when he was confront with the truth that he wasn't the SOLDIER First Class that accompanied Sephiroth to Nibelheim back then. Aeris on the other hand tried to bring him "out of his shell", failed to do so and got pummeled for her efforts.
>>719414610She met him with his supermodel gf at her bar?
>>719408029Anyone have these figures? How are they? Good Poseability?
>https://finalfantasy.fandom.com/wiki/Mail_(Crisis_Core)#I_can_fight,_tooTifa doesn't actually like Cloud, she just like the IDEA of Cloud.
>>719411851>A girl who loves you as you areWhat retard self-inserters also don't get is that Cloud is already an attractive catch (was even before his SOLDIER transformation, just shy and more cute), but these mouth breathers can't help but project their own shortcomings onto the character they're playing. Their argument is that Tifa is settling and likes Cloud for no reason, which is just ??? Nigga was a bishie dreamboat from the start, confidence issues are something very workable for girls if the guy is already someone they're sexually attracted to, assuming they aren't the type to jump to a new cock the moment their current one shows any sign of weakness.
>>719416656Stuck by him when he was a vegetable, that's not something shallow people do
>>719417586A super cynic would say she stuck with him, because everything else in her life was destroyed, both in Nibelheim and Midgar, and so she had no choice. She was beyond the point of no return.But that unfairness aside, I do think young Tifa being vain (& snobbish and spoiled mayor's privileged brat) is a canon part of her pre-game character arc, where after Nibelheim disaster she has become much more nice and caring towards everyone in general, because she knows true loss.
>>719408029Neither of these harlots, only I can fix Cloud with my pussy
>>719418236>A super cynic would say she stuck with him, because everything else in her life was destroyedIf Tifa were as shallow as some people like to claim she is then why would she bother holding on to the past? Why not just move on with some other handsome/combat capable/well off dude?>young Tifa being vainFeels like an attempt at character assassination to me. When does Tifa revel in self perceived attractiveness? >snobbish and spoiled mayor's privileged bratpost examples
>>719409429very immature take, theres better ways to challenge yourself.
>>719409429They didn't like this one, boss
>>719418864When she excludes Cloud, the weird kid, from her threesome. When she wishes for a shining knight to come sweep her off her feet and equates that nobility with being really famous. When she enjoyed being popular, because she bemoans the boys leaving town. When she orders everyone to Mount Nibel by her own selfish, grief-stricken whim. When she didn't correct anyone about Cloud having done anything wrong on the mountain and let all adults and kids ostracize him, while she continued to be showered in adulation afterwards.And clearly her overprotective father, the mayor of a secluded, demonstrably hierarchical village, has treated her very well.
>>7194080291 fucks and sucks for 10 gil.
Tifa cured Cloud's catatonia / schizophrenia
>>719420264>she excludes Cloud, the weird kid, from her threesomeCloud does that to himself because he thinks they're "stupid" at the time>When she wishes for a shining knight to come sweep her off her feetthat's less vanity and more idealism>When she enjoyed being popularBecause no one enjoys being being popular, never mind it was a double edged sword because the boys competing for her attention made her imprint on the guy that tried not to do that>When she orders everyone to Mount NibelShe didn't order anyone, she said she's going to "find" her mom and everyone followed because they were worried she was going to get hurt>When she didn't correct anyone about Cloud having done anything wrong on the mountainShe literally didn't know he was there, someone would have had to have told her what actually happened>her overprotective father, the mayoryou're conflating two different characters here
Tifa loves the real Cloud, and is the only person who can save him.Aerith loves Cloud's fake Zack qualities. Every interaction they have, she tries to coerce him into being more Zack-like.Aerith knows the future and thus knows that Cloud is faking his cool persona. So she's evil for the fact that she tries to enable Cloud by pushing him into being more like Zack.Tifa, on the other hand, knows that something is wrong with Cloud and it's only through her deep affection and true love that she can help him find himself.
>>719421054>Cloud does that to himself because he thinks they're "stupid" at the timeAnd you took that at face value? Cloud was clearly coping, he wanted to have Tifa's attention and be friends with the group but because he wasn't, he bets those grapes were sour anyway. If he was included, he'd have changed his tune pretty quickly.It's no different from some lonely guy on 4chan ranting about "fucking normies" while not so secretly wishing he was one.
>>719412843Idk who’s worse, actual tripfags or wannabe tripfags
>>719413819Having sex with your sister doesn’t mean you’re married to her, anon.
>>719408029>pre-demake we seldom ever got threads about these two harlots>we weren't even getting nearly as many FF7 threads anymore>post demake and these autistic manchild coomers can't stop making these shit threadsWe are in for another decade of this shit at least aren't we /v/?
>>719420264NTA but holy shit this is an incredibly dishonest answer. I'm not going to claim that Tifa was some righteous angel but this diatribe excludes so much context, you may as well be describing a different character all together. For example>When she excludes Cloud, the weird kid, from her threesomeCloud himself gives his reasons for being the weird kid>Young Cloud>Tifa always used to be with this three-some.>Tifa>...That's right.>Young Cloud>I used to think... they were all stupid.>Tifa>What!?>Young Cloud>You were all childish, laughing at every little stupid thing.>Tifa>But we were children, back then.>Young Cloud>...I know. I'm the one that was stupid.>I really wanted to play with everyone, but I was never allowed into the group.>Then later... I began to think I was different...>That I was different from those immature kids.>That then... maybe...>Just maybe, they would invite me in.>I thought that might happen, so I hung around...>Young Cloud>I was so prejudiced. And... weak.And because I know you're thinking it, yes this does predate Tifa's fall. Cloud wanted to be more mature than he actually was which caused him to exclude himself. And whatever prejudice outside of that was enforced by the children's parents, which would be reinforced by Cloud's shitty personality. It wasn't Tifa being some high school mean girl conspiring to cash in Cloud's popularity for her own. And for the record, this isn't me saying Cloud is a bad kid. What I am saying is that Cloud was immature and unstable, and Tifa wasn't obligated to fix him when she had her own shit going on. Shit like her mother dying.
>>719421350You missed the point. The point isn't "Cloud is an incel." The point is "Tifa doesn't have an opportunity to connect with Cloud earlier because he's acting like an incel." Whatever Cloud's motivations were, Tifa doesn't have the chance to fulfill or even subvert them because Cloud never told her.
>>719421350>Cloud was clearly copingCorrect. Instead of just being a kid and enjoying his time he got full of himself and acted like a retard, he literally admits this.>If he was includedWhere's the proof that he was excluded? Note that FF7's english translation is a bad source because it has wonderful mistranslations such as Johnny being in SOLDIER
How come the FF7 compilation and the KH games portray Aerith as the demure one, and Tifa as the spunky one, when in the original game it was the other way around?
>>719408029I'm convinced Squaresoft's downfall was promoting an NTRfag like Toriyama>Bahamut Lagoon>FF7>FF10, 10-2>FF13>3rd Birthday
>>719422565It’s very well known that The Sprits Within was their downfall. They let the success of the PS1 FFs go to their head.
>>719422770Yeah, Sakaguchi fucked up, and should've stuck to video games. At least it served as a warning to Kojima.
>>719422382The same reason why Cloud is presented as emo and depressed, even though depressed Cloud only makes up a small portion of the game. It's the idea of these characters rather than the actual ones. You know what's a scene I like and always remember? Cloud stealing the submarine>Cloud>Someone... please. I'm sorry I can't take it anymore.>The lack of space, the shaking, the roar of the engine...>Barret>Stop your blubberin'!! How we gonna move this without you?>Tifa>See!?>Just fiddle with the controls, and we'll get somewhere!>Hey Cloud? Why don't you try piloting it?>They say you don't get motion sickness if you're driving.>Cloud>Hey, you're right... I DO feel a little better driving.>No sweat. Just leave everything to meCloud likes driving the submarine. After getting past his initial nervousness, he starts to realize he's actually kind of good at it. He even gets a little bit cocky, even if you lose the minigame>Cloud>We're gonna hop on a torpedo and blast outta here!>Don't worry! I won't miss!>We don't even have a target. We're just aiming for the sky.This motherfucker even says that he'd like to steal another one. Point being the people who make later entries use the ideas of these characters with none of the depth
>>719422565I do tend to forget about FFX's NTR faggotry, I wonder why. Even thinking back the wedding kiss didn't bother me. I do remember being livid at how easily she was considering the political marriage in the first place, though I think that was the intended effect on the player, Yuna starts out as self-sacrificial to the point of being dead already.
>>719421054>Cloud does that to himself because he thinks they're "stupid" at the timeHe does. But when one of the threesome wonders, if he wants to join, Tifa waves that away.>that's less vanity and more idealism(I see you're excluding essential parts.) Her equating that with fame makes her vain.And yes Tifa having childish dreams of a shining knight is cute and fitting the theming of false "childhood" friend. It's nice.>Because no one enjoys being being popularSure thing, friend.>never mind it was a double edged sword because the boys competing for her attention made her imprint on the guy that tried not to do thatIs this from the Remake? I don't care for it. However she does express excitement over him suddenly calling her to the well, so it's a bit incongruent with that. Secondly Tifa grew her obsession over years of reading newspapers to see if Cloud would appear in them and thinking about him.>She didn't order anyone, she said she's going to "find" her mom and everyone followed because they were worried she was going to get hurtYeah, they follow and try to warn her and talk her out of it, but she brooks no argument and thus forces them to choose between abandoning her or to keep going until they run out of courage. It's bossy, expectant and high-handed.>She literally didn't know he was there, someone would have had to have told her what actually happenedBut how couldn't she find out what everyone is blaming Cloud of? It's a secluded, small village, where everybody knows everybody.>you're conflating two different characters hereI'm not. Tifa's father was the mayor in OG supplemental material.
>>719422946Tbf, you could argue that FFVI,VII, VIII, IX and X were the original “movie games”.They were still games of course, but they really pushed the cinematic elements in a way few games did before. Also, their CGI work on those game is incredible and (especially VIII’s, which I swear still looks as good now as it did in 1999). It’s no wonder they thought that they could take on Hollywood. I respect people like Sakaguchi and Kitase as artists, but they really have a problem of having inflated egos.
>>719422382Retcons made by people who didn't understand the characters or the original game, of which there are many (as FF7 threads here always prove).Say what you will about Remake/Rebirth (and they have their issues) but they did a pretty good job nailing all the characters as originally intended.
>>719423013Sure, but why switch Aerith and Tifa’s personalities?
>>719423287>But how couldn't she find out what everyone is blaming Cloud of?I really do wonder how much of this was bad/lazy writing as opposed to Tifa's intended personality back then. I see this kind of thing a lot in Jap drama bait, people who never even bother to find out the truth about something or perform the bare minimum of communication to rectify a situation, to the point where you'd have to consider the character in question either horribly shitty or borderline braindead if you take things at face value and not employ some measure of "death of the author".
>>719423287>Tifa waves that awayYou do realize that's the day her mother died, right?>Her equating that with fame makes her vainVanity would presume she'd expect him to do it for her rather than her asking him to>Sure thingthanks for agreeing by not making any kind of argument>she does express excitement over him suddenly calling her to the wellBecause he rarely ever made outright appeals for her attention>brooks no argument>It's bossy, expectant and high-handedi.e. she runs off not expecting anything of anyone else, good job contradicting yourself>But how couldn't she find out what everyone is blaming Cloud of?Because no one actually explained what happened so how is she supposed to inquire about specifics she has no idea about, especially when Cloud himself won't set the record straight?>Tifa's father was the mayor in OG supplemental material>Is this from the Remake? I don't care for itHow incredibly consistent of you. In any case why don't you prove it instead of just claiming it's a thing?
>>719423760Typically I would agree with you but there are way too many little examples of Tifa, and even Cloud, picking up small red flags that neither of them are addressing. For example after the first Reactor Bombing>Tifa>How about...>...something to drink?>Cloud>Give me something hard>Tifa>Just a minute. I'll make one for you.>You know, I'm relieved you made it back safely.>Cloud>What's with you all of a sudden? That wasn't even a tough job.>Tifa>I guess not...>You were in SOLDIER.>Make sure you get your pay from Barret.>Cloud>Don't worry. Once I get that money, I'm outta here.>[Cloud gets up.]>Tifa>Cloud. Are you feeling all right?>Cloud>...yeah... Why?>Tifa>No reason. You just look a little tired I guess.>You'd better go down below.The information between Cloud and Tifa is asymmetrical. When Tifa is asking if Cloud feels alright, Cloud thinks she's talking about the Reactor Bombing. When in reality, Tifa is referring to the fact that Cloud is behaving very strange, and that when she found him he jumped from a catatonic mess to proclaiming he was in SOLDIER. It's such a tiny moment that you can only appreciate on a 2nd game because Tifa's dialogue isn't a poorly translated mess. She's unsure of Cloud even this early on
>>719423760>>719424606Or there's another one. When the gang makes it to Junon, they're offered a place to sleep after rescuing Priscilla. And Cloud not only speaks to the real him buried inside but the real him starts pointing out plotholes in his own story>[...That reminds me.]>Cloud>You again?>...Who are you?>[...You'll find out soon. ......But more importantly, 5 years ago...]>Cloud>5 Years ago... Nibelheim?>[When you went to Mt. Nibel then, Tifa was your guide, right?]>Cloud>Yeah... I was surprised.>[But where was Tifa other than that?]>Cloud>...I dunno.>[It was a great chance for you two to see each other again.]>Cloud>...You're right.>[Why couldn't you see each other alone?]>Cloud>...I don't know. I can't remember clearly...>[Why don't you try asking Tifa?]>Cloud>...Yeah.>[Then, get up!]Yeah Cloud, why DIDN'T you speak to Tifa before the mission started? By your own admission, you were childhood friends right? Because Cloud didn't think about that part when he created his 2cool4u SOLDIER persona.
>>719408029Tifa was the town bicycle, Aerith was smart enough to charge.
>>719424606>>719424737I feel like these things prop up my "specific moment of lazy writing" argument even more. We clearly see how perceptive the both of them are throughout the game, yet there's this weird period where Tifa just doesn't even bother trying to ask Cloud why he's being persecuted, or using the bare minimum of logic to put two and two together and figure out it likely had something to do with the mountain incident. Her being negligent to that degree is not like her.
>>719425428>Tifa just doesn't even bother trying to ask Cloud why he's being persecutedCloud explains it himself, he starts getting into fights for no real reason because of his guilt so anyone criticizing Cloud has ample justification for doing so
>>719424376I do understand there are much more charitable ways to interpret things and I don't do mine in malice or in a very judging way either, since young Tifa is young.>You do realize that's the day her mother died, right?Yes, but I also believe Squaresoft is engaging in economic, well paced storytelling, illustrating a general trend of Tifa's behavior towards Cloud rather than it being special due to her mother's death.>Vanity would presume she'd expect him to do it for her rather than her asking him toI don't agree with your definition, that would be entitlement not vanity. >thanks for agreeing by not making any kind of argumentWell, okay, I'm sorry for being snide. You had annoyed me beforehand. Anyway clearly some people enjoy being popular and we have no evidence to believe Tifa wasn't one of them.>Because he rarely ever made outright appeals for her attentionBut Cloud is then competing for her attention, which you said would cause her to feel distaste. Unless you say she objected to the boys' constancy at it, which would make that distaste Tifa's boredom.Why not accept, that Tifa's emotionally inconsistent a bit? It would actually paint her in a much better light than what you're attempting.>i.e. she runs off not expecting anything of anyone else, good job contradicting yourselfIt is emotional blackmail. The social expectation still exists.>Because no one actually explained what happened so how is she supposed to inquire about specifics she has no idea about, especially when Cloud himself won't set the record straight?She can ask literally anyone. Cloud is not needed for that. Especially since she didn't think he was there.>In any case why don't you prove it instead of just claiming it's a thing?I can't. I don't keep citations. I learned it a long time ago and that's enough for my own canon keeping. However I certainly didn't conflate him with the Rebirth-mayor guy, because I didn't even know he existed before you brought him up.
>>719421607>idkYour favorite phrase.
>>719426397Oops, yeah that explains why she didn't ask him directly, I memory holed that bit, but that still doesn't explain why she didn't try asking literally anyone else or use some basic logic to zero in on the mountain incident being the most probable thing to ask about.
>>719413646Man, that’s good shit. Love Cloud, but have avoided the new stuff after playing the part one remake. Heard Cloud was mind controlled or something, and not a fan of the multiverse shit.
>>719427024>illustrating a general trend of Tifa's behavior towards CloudWhich is why they made a supplemental novella where she explains how and why she became enamored with him as a kid? More likely you're just trying to justify your erroneous bias.>that would be entitlement not vanityCorrect, but the only way for her to display vanity in that case is for her to assume that Cloud would want to do it if she offered him the opportunity but she asks him instead>But Cloud is then competing for her attentionIf I recall correctly the other boys have left already and he specifically asks for it to be one on one rather than all of them together vying for her attention>Unless you say she objected to the boys' constancy at itShe does in ToTP>Why not accept, that Tifa's emotionally inconsistent a bit?Because we're talking about Cloud here>It is emotional blackmailThat presumes an ulterior motive to Tifa simply being distraught over her mother's death so you'll have to prove that claim>She can ask literally anyoneAsk them what? "Oh hey uh remember that time I fell off the mountain path? Did anything weird happen like Cloud was following me but actually he was to blame for me being there? even though I have no idea anything like that happened?">I can'tso that's settled then
>>719409429Wow, perfect take
>>719428337>Which is why they made a supplemental novellaYeah, 24 years later for a different dimension continuity.>Because we're talking about Cloud hereNo, we certainly were not. We were talking about Tifa's response to being courted and why Cloud left a fascinating impression oh her.>That presumes an ulterior motive to Tifa simply being distraught over her mother's death so you'll have to prove that claimShe responds to the boys on the mountain path and tries to argue and give a rationalization to them for them to cross.That being said she would've gone anyway due to her intense grief, but the gambit would've brought her the comfort of company, even if she knew it put them in danger.>Ask them what?Why are adults treating Cloud so badly? Why has Cloud turned to a jerk and fights everyone? Why are you forbidding me from talking to Cloud suddenly, father?>so that's settled thenAye.
Tifa has that "my gf is also my best friend" vibe to her that i much prefer in a girl.Tifa would 100% workout with you, play vidya together or just order a pizza and watch all Lord of the Rings movies with you.Aerith is the more vanilla option. Shed make you watch some boring romantic comedy and complain that you dont give her enough attention whenever you play vidya
>>719428348You would say that.
>>719429560>Yeah, 24 years later for a different dimension continuityStill infinitely more official than anon on an image board making assumptions>we certainly were not>Because he rarely ever made outright appeals for her attention>But Cloud is then competing for her attention>She responds to the boys on the mountain path and tries to argue and give a rationalization to them for them to cross.She explains her own motivations and runs off. If she cared about them following her why didn't she say anything when they started turning back?>Why are adults treating Cloud so badly?Because as he admitted himself Cloud was picking fights with people>Why has Cloud turned to a jerk and fights everyoneThat's something only Cloud could answer and she wouldn't have gotten the truth out of him at that point>Why are you forbidding me from talking to Cloud suddenly, father?See the first answer, would you want your daughter hanging out with a guy who's starting fights with everyone?
