Some random terminally ill nobody managed to kill adam smasher, a literal roided up tank that can solo entire military convoys because he's... LE PROTAGONISTWhat a shitty and underwhelming final boss fight this game has.
>>719421768>a literal roided up tank that can solo entire military convoys because he's... LE PROTAGONISTYou describe 95% of RPGs
heh. he doesnt know that the RELIC and the constant revenue of selling thousands of guns allows v to be implanted out the wazoo.
>>719421768Its because of the relic you dumb ape
he was pretty hard for me
>>719421768Yeah, the gameplay style they chose wasn't really conducive to Cyberpunk. It should have been a squad shooter and Smasher should have been taken out using the power of friendship and obscene amounts of cash. V really should have just been the leader and head Solo of an entire group of mercs, not some weirdo who can solo armies for a completely inexplicable reason.
>>719421768>Protagonist winsName 3 games where this doesn't happen. Losing in the narrative doesn't count.
>>719423432bioshock 1-2-infinite
They made the fighter better in 2.0>>719422667same, he was a bastard to fight as a hackerfag
>>719421768fem v is so retarded and i hate seeing it in ads more recently male v is canon and the broship dynamic between jackie and johnny makes actual sense
>>719424150>fem v is so retardedFem V is hilarious! The way she shows being tough is to scream. There's no femininity in female V at all.
>>719422942nah, 3rd person combat and 1st everything else wouldve made more sense, but the normies wouldnt handle the convo
>>719424150>>719424430japanese dub fem v is a cutiepie
>>719421768When does this game get good?I've played 12h, I liked it with Jackie but since he died it has just sucked. Missions are boring a f.
>>719425795if you dont vibe with the combat and the sidequests and quests just stop playing it bro. unless you actually boughted it in that case lmao
>>719424468No. First person is always better in games like this.
>>719421768>never played an RPGIn most RPG's you're the chosen one who is able to kill God himself. Would be a shitty ending to get to Adam Smasher just to get killed off in the end.
>>719421768You seem to forget V had the power of God /AND/ Anime on their side
>>719424468>3rd person combat and 1st everything elseAlways terrible. Pick one.
>>719424150I dunno.I liked femV's dynamic with Silverhand more.Felt like weird adopted Uncle / niece thing. Not quite father daughter, but definitely platonically related.Jackie and maleV is definitely better, but for 90% of your playthrough Jackie is gone.
>>719421768Right is fortnite?
>>719427750Nta, but it doesn't make sense to me otherwisw. Only men and radicalize and inspire other men. Silverhand becomes a sort or mirror or reflection to what /v/ wants and strives for in a way. Thats how I saw it at least.
>>719421768>Some random terminally ill nobody managed to kill adam smasher, a literal roided up tank that can solo entire military convoys because he's... LE PROTAGONISTthe plausibility scales inversely with how kitted out your V is. My first run was Togusa-style with as few cybernetics as possible, it did feel silly smacking down Smasher via chip damage from a six-shooter while sucking health regen out of thin air. Round 2 was a chromed-out ghetto bitch which seemed like a much fairer fight, almost believable if not for the fact that realistically her fat ass would've gotten stuck in a ventilation shaft halfway up the Tower
>>719421768It's the Relic, and it allows V to get away with so much shit that should've fried him immediately. V channels the fucking BLACKWALL, and turns it into a physical weapon.Even the most advanced netrunners in the verse skim the Blackwall, and not without consequence.I don't know where you get off calling V a nobody. Canonically, he's a Nightcity legend who everyone who is anyone knows. He's toppled entire regimes, took on every single corp, gangoon organization, and cut down crimes in Nightcity more than the NCPD could ever hope to do, and came out on top everytime.V smashes Smasher.
>>719421768Unless you're doing some weird purist run, V is even more of a monster in terms of cybernetics than Smasher, even moreso because he gets away with all of it via the relic while retaining a mostly human appearance instead of requiring his entire body to be sculpted to handle the shit ton of programs, armaments and cybernetics like Smasher has to.
>>719421768Let's talk about how they made femV into some fugly mulatto instead
>>719421768>Random nobodyHahaha someone didn't get street cred lmao what a loser.Let's see, off the top of my head, V>Did every single police scanner mission>Did every side gig>Could carve through maxtac like butter>Could solo military spider tanks with ease>Made every hostile gang shit themselves as soon as he was seenOk I'm bored of making a list now, I'm sure a lot of people, you know, played the fucking game. And if you consider that in canon V did all this shit in the span of, like, a month or so, that motherfucker must have been a living legend in his own right. V was arguably even more famous than Smasher despite only being on the merc scene for a few weeks, it should be no surprise that the guy who can kill literally the entire Arasaka tower armed only with a dildo bodied an old man in a fancy prosthetic body.
>>719422942should have been turn based and party based>>719424468that would make zero difference
>>719429909Go play hbs shadowruns instead
>>719429909you need my fucking cock.
>>719430045already did, Dragonfall is better than CP77
>>719421768>Adam Smasher is clearly a stand-in for the Grim Reaper>V defeats him>he dies anyway, or gets replaced with John Wick, or becomes a cuck forever Riveting writing.
>>719421768V didn't kill Smasher, Comrade's Hammer and OFive killed him
>>719428640>Only men and radicalize and inspire other men.Yes, and?Johnny isn't radicalizing and inspiring fem V I agree. Instead he's more obviously infecting her neural pathways with himself.That's the way I see it.Male V is being inspired to go out with a bang.Female V is being more heavily rewritten.
>>719423432VtM Bloodlines, Inside, The Last of Us 2.
>>719425795The first Act is shit. The game opens up in 2nd Act quite nicely and gets incredible, and then shits its pants in the end again.
NUKE POLAND
>>719430641V flew to clas sun
>>719429598>V is even more of a monster in terms of cybernetics than Smasher, even moreso because he gets away with all of it via the relic while retaining a mostly human appearance instead of requiring his entire body to be sculpted to handle the shit ton of programs, armaments and cybernetics like Smasher has to.gameplay-wise, sure. In-world Smasher SHOULD be a helluva lot stronger than even a chromemaxxed V because the human appearance thing is a limiting factor. If you don't bother with trying to look human, you suddenly have room for cyberware that can mog whatever V can muster by sheer synthetic muscle mass. There's also the fact that V at his best is still stuck running with an unholy mix/matched soup of cyberware, while Smasher's got top-shelf Arisaka tech presumably min-maxed to perfection over many years by the best docs the corp can muster
>>719429909>should have been turn based and party based
>>719421768>>719430148Games are for children, if the player was killed by Smash you'd complaining about unfair difficult and railroading, you'd never get it.
>>719429663So the argument is that V is a Mary Sue.
>>719424150>tfw no male v dumb himbo bf
>>719430687V is a sleeper build and catches Smasher off guard because of that. V is actually chromed to the fucking teeth they're barely even human anymore, they just look mostly normal still as a trick
>>719429909Maybe Larians next game will scratch the itch, since it's supposed to be a more complex sci-fi RPG. release date never ever tho.
>>719430743Smasher should be the equivalent to the Werewolf in Bloodliness. You shoot at it with your best gun and it does 0 damage.
>>719430825I believe the term is "FPS game protagonist", but yes. Relic-brain is one hell of a drug.
>>719430687You don't get it. V is ultimately cheating. Smasher gives up his humanity completely because his fully cybernetic body offers a lot of advantages, but especially allows him to pack far more power and processes that his old body just never would have been able to handle.V doesn't need the monster body, he has the relic that allows him to use absurd cybernetics and programs (another anon has already mentioned weaponising the equivalent of mega aids virus with no issue while appearing normal because the relic is able to handle every process.Bigger doesn't mean better in Cyberpunk. The point about the cybernetic quality is a valid one though.
Realistically Smasher fight should have had V in a stolen suit of dragoon armor with a couple AVs backing him up.That's about what it would take even a high level well kitted out group of edgerunners to have a chance at beating Smasher in CP 2020
>>719430687Smasher isn't bulletproof. In fact he's MUCH tougher than he should be. CP2020 is super lethal and even the most borged dude will die in a one burst.
>>719430989Truth is the V raped Pondsmith on a hot summer day.
>>719421768>because he's... LE PROTAGONISTYes, you retard. Do you get mad whenever a single hero somehow kills a dragon?
>>719431131The Relic is never noted as being something that helps V support cyberware, that's just a runaway fan theory, nor is V's gear ever noted as particularly potent even when he's maxed out.He doesn't even get a comment about being built different.
>>719431026A better game would come up with a stronger reason to make the protagonist seem worthy of defeating a godlike entity. In Baldur's Gate for example the main character is literally the spawn of a demon god. In Deus Ex you are a prototype for the villain's plan of becoming a god, and the strongest boss in the game is but a lesser prototype. The apotheosis has to be clearly established, otherwise you are just dealing with bad writing.
>>719431218That's not at all the same fucking thing. It wouldn't be that hard to fight a dragon because they're so slow. Just get behind it and attack its legs, there are probably some big arteries in there so it'll bleed out eventually. If it tries to turn around then just go underneath it and get behind it again. If it tries some sort of stomp attack just back off, then get back in there and keep punching its legs.>>719431314Some of the Maelstrom guys make comments about V being a borged out sleeper build.
>>719431161but then the same would apply to V
>>719421768>What a shitty and underwhelming final boss fight this game has.This is why they added the tower ending in the DLC. Its more fitting conclusion to the whole thing, and doesnt mess with Adam Smasher's reputation of being an unstoppable killing machine
>>719430986Larian is going real time in their next game. They hate turn based shit and were only forced to do it in Original Sin due to budget and later due to fan expectations. Larian wants to make a action rpgs like the Witcher. They tried it over and over in their Divinity games. And their next game will be action not turn based too.
>>719431161Smasher , even in 2020, can resist most gunfire that doesn't come out of an antimaterial canon, and even that has to hit something important. This is over 50 years later, and a big fkaw in the game for is that until Phantom Liberty, V's Arsenal isn't even that particularly exotic.We needed way more bullshit heavy caliber weapons.
>>719431424maybe ill finally play their games then
>>719431131How does that explain beating Smasher with a revolver?
>>719431424>changing the setting from fantasy to scifi (generally less popular)>changing genre entirelytime to short their stock
>>719431519The revolver shoots the brain.
>>719431503>We needed way more bullshit heavy caliber weapons.The tech sniper build is pretty cool, especially combined with hacking. Put a scope on there that allows you to see people through walls, or infiltrate the systems and mark people through the cameras. Then just shoot them through multiple buildings while you're a mile away. Easy.
>>719431549Never played Divine Divinity? Ego Draconis? Larian made more action RPGs than turn based ones. Origin Sin was the first time they made a turn based game. All their games before that were always real time action RPGs.
>>719431315Adam Smasher is not "a godlike entity". He could be destroyed in seconds if he ever made the mistake of being seen by a gunship, tank, or organized Maxtac squad. Just because he has gained his reputation by being a guard dog loosed on gangers and rival corpos does not mean that he is some kind of godlike superman who can solo the world.I could kill Adam Smasher right now in the real world armed with nothing but a radio linked to the US Military if he was unaware that he had a JDAM or HIMARS heading directly for his forehead.
>>719431873I know 78 ways to kill Adam Smasher with nothing but my bare hands.
>>719431549It's a private company
>>719431376lol no. realistically, a human's toothpick for a weapon isn't doing shit to a dragon, let alone their armor allowing them to survive when it slaps you once given the sheer difference in muscle mass and size.
>>719431646Yes but ultimately it's just presented as a pretty unremarkable rifle with a magnetic rail. I'm talking about something with Oomph visually, like the osprey, even though it does stupidly force you to burst fire when zoomed and single shot at range. The games weapons lack remarkable presentation.The Projectile Launch system is awful unless you mix in Burn this City and spam it at groups.
I am finally going to try this game. What is the best playstyle?
>>719430932>V is a sleeper build and catches Smasher off guard because of that. I don't disagree, I just don't think that V > Smasher in terms of chrome simply because Smasher has so much more mass on his side. That doesn't necessarily make Smasher better overall, Morgan Blackhand managed to frustrate Smasher despite having much less cyberware than a maxed-out V iirc>>719431131V may have the mental bandwith to support much more cyberware than the average tard off the street, but that doesn't change the fact that you can only cram so much muscle fiber in a limb that's trying to look human. In a literal sense, Smasher should be much stronger than V>Bigger doesn't mean better in CyberpunkI agree that raw size doesn't necessarily indicate greater strength, because I'm sure there are top-shelf low profile arms that can outperform the bulky last-gen chrome an Amimal/Maelstrommer is kitted up with. But like I said before, Smasher is most likely using the very best tech there is
>>719421768By the end of my playthrough, V had maxed out cyberware with tier 5++ upgrades, was basically an elite netrunner and engineer, had the relic, the upgrades by the FIA/NUSA which Smasher can't even get access to and all the "special" augs like the Sandevistan, fought and killed dozens of top of the line mercs, all that along with counter-intel background from Arasaka.Smasher isn't even that special in terms of training or capability, he's just the equivalent of a roided up boxer. The moment Smasher started being in charge of anything in Arasaka, their security went to shit.
>>719432375female v with a dick
>>719431935>Become Arasaka surgeon>Smasher is here to upgrade his spine to the newest firmware>Oops, my hand slipped! Aaannd... He's dead.Does this make the surgeon a super powerful hero? Of course not.Although really, I think they should have used Smasher as a plot device related to the Relic.>Act 1, during the heist>Have some contrived situation allow Jackie to kill Smasher, ie; conveniently placed tank cannon, high voltage cables, giant pool of inexplicable lava, whatever, Jackie thinks his sacrifice means he's going down a legend for defeating him>Act 2>Smasher's back baby! And he's pissed! And he remembers dying, so now he has a personal vendetta against V!>Kill him AGAIN, but now you know that they have both an Engram of him being kept up to date and backup bodies ready to go>Act 3, final confrontation>Yep, it's Adam again. But like 3 of him at once.Now you can really drive home how much of a threat the Relic is. Sure, things suck in Night City, but in theory it's at least like 1% possible for the corpos to be overthrown and the world to actually start healing, but that chance goes out the window when you realize that Arasaka can literally send entire squads of Smashers to go crush any kind of resistance.
>>719430986>LarianYeah, nah.
>>719432416I meant like combat way. I will roleplay as myself a white male.
>>719422667>he was pretty hard for met. cut of fuckable meat
>>719431873>I could kill Adam Smasher right now in the real world armed with nothing but a radio linked to the US Military>I just need the arsenal of the US armed forces at my disposalanon...
>>719421768Reminder that they replaced fem V with a shit version right before release after showing people a version of fem V people actually liked. People were incredibly unhappy at release.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZY2PO0RvOKA
>>719432626Anon has the access to the entire arsenal of the United States Marine Corps. Nothing unusual on the internet.
>>719432683>fem Vtroon problems
>>719432683>looks exactly the same but without the purple hair wdym
>>719431503>We needed way more bullshit heavy caliber weaponsI love the pocket 22mm, they nailed the feel of it. The backwards mag is a painfully stupid design choice but I manage to stow my crippling guntism every time I whip it out, it's ludicrously fun
>>719432803should I buy a PS5 to play Cyberpunk?
>>719432626Yes that's the fucking point anon. Adam Smasher is not a supernatural being, if anything the only thing that makes him special besides being a walking armory is the fact that he also has years of experience using said armory. He could literally die in a car crash on a commute to work if he got unlucky enough to crash into, say, the ocean and sunk while unconscious for long enough his batteries run low. For whatever reason the primary complaint that people have is that V, a cyborg thug, can defeat Smasher, a cyborg thug with more chrome who for some reason people are confusing for a fucking god.The Smasher fight would take about 5 seconds if he was stupid enough to try to fight V when he was in the hover tank.
>>719432683>fem VNobody cares tranny.
>>719431873He has a lot of enhanced sensors, it's not that easy to ambush him and without a direct hit the damage from these weapons to what is essentially a machine is limited.
>>719432918No it's free on PC.
>>719432931but he has a sandy what car could hit him
>>719432918wait 2 years for ps6 at this point lol
>>719431873Smasher is faster than the speed of sound and has integrated radar so he can literally dodge a missile.
>>719432194The smart SMGs are pretty cool, visually. Especially the ones with special effects
>>719432375Depends what you like. Game starts pretty slow in regards to combat so Stealth/Hacking is generally the most reliable. If you like stealth and cover shooting than Int/Tech for hacking is the most consistent fun throughout the whole game but on the highest difficulty you get mulched pretty quick if you find yourself in a bad position.For mid to late game direct combat picks up once you have a good spread of perks and augmentation and run and gunning becomes a lot more fun. Body/Tech/Reflex are all good to have and them you can make use if just about any gun. Something I really dislike about the game is that perks are tied to specific guns instead of just rewarding a playstyle while using any weapon.
>>719432931if he has an AT weapon at hand I'll bet on him winning everytime, he will be more mobile and able to take advantage of terrain.
>>719432984adam smasher literally could not catch a taxi reversing, sandevistan boosts reflexes the super speed is just gameplay
>>719432918Do you want to play other games on PS5?
>>719432984A sandy does not allow your car to maneuver above the speed of sound. At best he could attempt to get out of the vehicle before it goes over a bridge, which I'm sure he could, at worst it means he gets to watch the car crash he's now stuck in happen in slow motion. this is purely a hypothetical to show that he is not invincible. And who knows, maybe he was having a lil smashy naptime while being chauffeured, or busy shitposting on /k/ while driving, or one of the literally millions of different distractions someone who thinks of themselves as invincible are weak to. Overconfidence is a slow and insidious killer, after all.
>>719432541Contrarian fag.
>>719430641Looks cuddleable
>>719432931It's not just about Adam's durability it's that he's typically able to also carry some bullshit experimental Arasaka weapon with him. The Lethality of the system that makes it possible to hypothetically kill Smasher despite his specs is precisely why he's very likely to kill you before you get the chance to try.
Maybe if somo helped you or the black wall weapon you got did a lot more damage and was required to beat smasher then that fight would have been more believable
>>719432931Adam Smasher is metaphorically a grim reaper. In storytelling terms you shouldn't be able to defeat a figure like that since you cannot defeat death. Maybe trick him or delay him like the Prince does in The Two Thrones, but not just defeat him in a conventional fight. Alternatively, if a character does defeat Death then that means they are effectively or figuratively immortal, but in the game defeating Smasher is followed by a multitude of cuck endings.
>>719433216It does boost speed, Smasher is just big and tanky. V being able to move at speeds high enough to keep up with his sandy is one of the main advantages of him keeping a lightweight human-shaped body. Adam's sandy seems to be tuned more specifically for countering other speedsters, not for becoming a 2 ton Sonic the Hedgehog.
>>719432931>>719433305No one is claiming that he literally cannot die like a superman, just that he's really fucking hard to kill while he's actively avoiding being killed and the situation presented in CP77 does not make a lot of sense.
>>719433305>or busy shitposting on /k/ while drivingSmasher's too cool for that shithole. Wilson, on the other hand, definitely argues on /k/ when he's not busy fumbling yet another sale
>>719433706>The Two ThronesWarrior Within*Stupid edgy names.
>>719433716Being smaller doesn't make someone automatically faster. You can put more potential energy on a larger mass.
>>719432480That would be kinda cool, but it might make Smasher seem more normal and less legendary if you meet him multiple times.
>>719432918Better on PC, both graphically (if your computer can handle it then it can be one of the best looking games ever made) and there are lots of good mods for it.
>>719434032Being lighter does though. Have you ever heard of the square cube law? For every pound of chrome Smasher adds the amount of power needed to move it increases disproportionately. If Smasher had the same exact chrome but stripped down to zero armor he would be an absolutely disgustingly fast fighter with a sandy.
>>719434043I think "you can kill him as many times as you want and he'll be back" is much more intimidating as a Grim Reaper expy. It means that the only way to stop him for good is to destroy Arasaka Tower itself.
>>719434261>I think "you can kill him as many times as you want and he'll be back" is much more intimidating as a Grim Reaper expy.I dunno, Adam Jobber wouldn't make me sweat if I'd already beaten him black-and-blue thrice before.
>>719421768Frank Horrigan all over again. What canonically happened is that the hero needed every advantage possible but gameplay dictates that however the player decided is how it ended.
>>719434421What if he couldn't be killed the same way twice?
>>719433716No, it doesn't. They made it super speed for the same reason you can deflect bullets with a katana. Because it looks cool. Cyberpunk's setting is supposed to be "grounded" and "realistic" which is why canon Adam Smasher can only sprint at 20mph, lift half a ton and is resistant but not immune to 5.56.
>>719433330I just don't enjoy eating turds, anon.
>>719423432NieR Gestalt/Replicant. The Shadowlord did nothing wrong, and was the character you started the game as, thus the real protagonist and humanity's last hope.
>>719433216it's because he tripped, but you need a mod to look back
>>719421768What part of 'becoming a legend of Night City' do you not understand?
>>719434610Does the Sandy exist solely to beat Kereznikov users on the draw? A +3 on action seems a lot more niche than constant +2. Also a bit easier on the psyche it seems.
>>719434553what if he was gay
>>719421768I could take him, probably. Hold my beer
>>719433716Definitely felt like a Dex VS Str thread when I fought him as a Reflex/Int build.
>>719435312Pretty much. They're both worse than the reflex booster that comes with a dragoon body like Adam Smasher's, if I remember right in Cyberpunk 2020 it's actually impossible to react before him.
>>719421768Smasher was a beast on a leash. Fat fed and complacent with his lot.V was a dead man and the walking embodiment of the concept of fury itself once he kicked in the front door.
>>719436032Fear a man with nothing to lose.
>>719430641Built for execution at the hands of a mystery meat glownigger.
>>719421768My problem with it is how dead the city is and how little you can interact with it, fucking GTA IV had hotdog stands you could interact with to buy hotdogs and eat even though it had absolutely nothing to do with the actual game itself, it was just there to make the city feel alive and it did that really well. Night city feels like nothing but pretty lights and worthless NPCs walking around doing nothing, its seriously just so shit from an RPG perspective, massive ass dissapointment and none of the patches ever fixed that for me, I haven't played the DLC and people have said its good but I've also seen some folks praising the ever living shit out of the base game even though it was trash so what do I know
>>719421768Some random literally who rocker man managed to plant a nuke in the most powerful corporation's US HQ because... IT'S LE COOL
>>719436439but your comparison is shit because you can also sit and buy useless food items like in gta 4
>>719436575You don't even have an animation for eating in cyberpunk dude, its all just fucking menus, the game doesn't try to be immersive at all aside from its looks, that's literally all it has
>>719436439i love cp but ur right. its cool that you can find the npcs in the world unlike gta thou
You're sure you couldn't have worded that better?
>>719433767Desu in the tabletop he's not even that hard to kill for a high level party if you play by the book, you're really only supposed to bust him out for ending games that've gone on to long so GM plot armor makes him unbeatable.
required mods?
>>719421768>Some random tribalsman nobody managed to kill frank horrigan, a literal roided up tank that can solo entire military convoys because he's... LE PROTAGONIST>What a shitty and underwhelming final boss fight this game has.
>>719436439GTA 4 hotdog stands were for regenerating health. they were there for a pretty good reason, and it was annoying as hell trying to hunt one down if you weren't near burger shot or cluckin belli swear you fuckers don't play games and just parrot shit other posters say. GTA 4 is pretty lights and worthless NPCs walking around doing nothing, with some random events happening (cops chasing people down being pretty much the only one). their AI is what provided an illusion of death.GTA 4's traffic provided for some funny interactions though. like you can get in a taxi and he'll just start running people over. and there's the occasional explosion because some car glitched and maxed out is damage, or an ambulance running people over to save someone. none of that is depth, its just funny physics interactions
>>719437282Ask the average player if they ever even interacted with a hotdog stand more than once or twice throughout their campaign playthroughs, they weren't important at all and felt more like a nice addition than anything else, GTA IV isn't the best example of an alive city but I listed it because its an old ass game at this point that has features that make liberty city a better and more alive video game place than night city solely because you could eat at places and things had special animations for doing so. You literally can't even sit down and drink something at the game's so called legendary bar where a bunch of important people sit at
>>719436508>Some random literally who rocker man...>...And his paramilitary squad of, (at the time), top of the line augmented mercenaries using a gunship with an automatic grenade launcher
>adam smasher somehow uniquely powerful despite just being a roided out tank.>V getting "protagonist armor" despite you spending the entire game getting ripped and searching for the rarest most powerful chrome to load up on.The fight does seem pretty underwhelming, but only because live fighting someone is generally not cinematic at all. It's fast and efficient, without flash. The majority of fights between individuals last seconds because health bars are imaginary and attrition fights are the exception, not the rule.
>>719436508Johnny's memory has been edited by Arasaka or Yorinobu after the fact and misrepresents what went down. Morgan Blackhand and a party of high level player characters planted the nuke, Johnny got his shit pushed in and died like a bitch.
>>719438271this is clearly johnny slander. source?
>>719438358the game
>>719438271I sometimes wonder how much of that is retconning because you're not supposed to like Johnny. I can believe Johnny embellishes his stories but there's nothing in the game to suggest that it went down basically the exact opposite of how he says.
>>719438413nice try lol i dont play videogames
>>719431503>Smasher , even in 2020, can resist most gunfire that doesn't come out of an antimaterial canonComplete fucking horseshit.
>>719438271We saw how scrambled Jackie was after he got whacked. Johnny dying early would have meant they wouldn't be able to recover everything perfectly which at the very least means Adam Smasher messed up his body but left him alive. >>719438443I think Alt says it's not exactly everything that happened but even her memories might be scrambled. She seems interested in knowing her past self so whatever she says can't be trusted
>>719437773i'm pretty sure most people who've beat GTA 4 interacted with the one of the ONLY ways to restore your health before / after missions, aside from going back to your apartment >You literally can't even sit down and drink something at the game's so called legendary bar where a bunch of important people sit atillusion of fucking depth and a waste of resources, WHO FUCKING CARESyou guys screech about NC feeling dead yet can't come up with any ideas yourselves. What would make it more alive >more questlines>a "heat" system, IE you attack a gang enough, they send hitsquads after you>a shit ton of scripted random events a la RDR 1 >NPC conversations /v/ can comment on>doing things w/ your friends (like GTA IV). I know GTA IV had a shit ton of lines recorded for these events, at least 3-4 per character iirc. and cyberpunk, you dont have many, so there could be a lot more lines>car customization>radiant corporate contracts (kill XXX gang on street), perhaps unlocking some secret questlinesthe problem with adding a shit ton of flavor content side content is a lot of it goes unseen by people who aren't 100%ing the game
>>719439010Just admit that you need my cock.
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>>719438842Yeah I remember Alt saying that line and how it 'Bears no resemblance to the truth' but she's basically a computer at that point and I agree you can't trust her take on the whole thing at face value either.
>>719439010Holy shit you are fucking retarded, I'm criticizing one of the aspects of why it feels dead, I'm not saying being able to sit down and drink is the end all be all of the city feeling more alive you fucking faggot.>Who caresPeople that want to be immersed care, in general details like that are what made RDR2 so successful and immersive, in my opinion questlines and heat systems have fucking nothing to do with a city feeling alive, its more the random scripted events like you listed there along with the corporate/street thug and nomad ways of life being way more important to the entire city, with certain factions behaving differently torwards you and even placing hits on your head depending on where you are in the city
>>719439174The one thing that bugs me about this take is how would Soulkiller even work on Johnny at that point? Wouldn't you get a busted ass ingram of him like Jackie? What makes up the difference in Johnny's case?
>>719439010He's right. The problem with AAA games is that a lot of these games can practically do everything so they can't hold back. In Spider-Man 2 do you know what you do? Completely ordinary boring things you wouldn't want to do in any video game ever. Also you have these tedious DJ events! Now does that make the game feel more "alive?" Maybe but it's gay as hell because why would I wanna be a DJ as spider-man? Okay just looked it up on youtube, it's the faggot black spider-man. Point is the "alive" crap is honestly the most retarded metric to judge a game. GTA 4 and 5 I can admit they feel "alive" but they're sooooo boring to play
based black man already explained during the animeCyberpsycho is about the Humanity statsome people have more humanity than others, and your social life/circle mattersDavid already had a natural high humanity and then his social circle help him until he went too farHaving Johnny inside his head allows V to handle more hardware because he's not alone
>>719439362Presumably Arasaka spent time reconstructing it.
>>719439362might be because tech was genuinely better during the 2020s
>>719439497What about in the 6 months after V loses Johnny? Depending on the ending Cyberpsycho could be a very real possibility.
>>719439721nah im pretty sure V goes cybertardo. IE, becomes a pants shitting dementia-ridden retard who forgets where he is
>>719439721you can replace cyberware with bioware
>>719421768V is just as borged as Smasher, you just don't notice because CDPR didn't want to add unique models for every bit of chrome V gets chipped with
somi > smasher
>>719440197I didn't get any chrome besides what was needed for netrunning.
>>719432375It doesn't matter. The gameplay is not very strong. Its all about the narrative and the characters. I have it an enjoyable 7/10 bcs I got the ideal ending imo.
>>719440197he's not, smasher just isn't that tough
>>719432375to me the game felt best with Sword + Hacksshooting is lame
>>719439362It seems likely to me that Johnny's death from the ttrpg has been retconned. Instead he's just hurt badly enough that all his allies think he's dead. Arasaka grab him and shove him in the back of an ambulance (as seen in game) then he's taken and questioned by Saburo before being soulkillered.The only implanted memory is the one of him on the roof, in the tabletop that's a fight between Morgan Blackhand and Smasher.
>>719421768V wins because of a combination of two factors: the Relic offloading some of the pressure he gets from his cyberware, and him being built differently. Johnny's jobber ass, which canonically gets torn apart in a single shotgun shot, definitely contributed little to V's endgame prowess, so we can safely surmise that the guy becomes an unstoppable killing machine only after beating up some homeless men and then taking apart entire military squads.This game actually got a better explanation for the protagonist being a one-man army than other games. A guy who's hooked on a special artefact that lets him install more cybernetics than anyone else, in addition to his skill, sounds more believable than a guy from fantasy who defeats the overlord solo just because. >>719440613I'll agree with the point that this fight would end in Smasher's favour if they played by 2020 rules. Shotguns are deadly, and armour has a nasty habit of telling you to fuck off. V would have to hook up on big guns to win, or hope that Smasher's latest body is still vulnerable to microwave guns.
>>719421768>because he's... LE PROTAGONISTBy the end of the game I was more borged up than Smasher
>>719421768Also by cyberpunk red it seems Adam smasher is now labled as unkillable for some reason and he is now fine with body swapping of he gets one body flatlined
>>719441493The 2077 supplement for RED outright states that the original Smasher is long gone, and what Arasaka are using is a personality construct thrown into power armors.
>>719421768By the time you get to Adam Smasher again you are basically a cybergod.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09QAON1scMIfuck, man, this game got so much soul in its soundtrack
>>719424150>lmao imagine playing maleV>ever
Are AI demons
>>719440360can't tell if that's gay or based
>>719443538Kinda but not really, there's benevolent sentient AI as well as all the evil ones. The net is basically another dimensional plane rather than a network.
>>719440508didnt spec into reflex lmao
I played this game, unfamiliar with the series, and I just assumed it was like the equivalent of beating a Deathclaw in fallout or something.I had no idea in the tabletop game he's considered a near no-win encounter.
>>719446132He's not.
>>719423432Transformers: Decepticons.No, the Autobots don't beat you.
>>719440613All of Johnny's memories have an unreliable narrator.Alt says it herself, that what you saw was only Johnny's recollection of the memories after 50 years, not necessarily what happened.So it doesn't necessarily have to be a retcon
>>719441737i sat delayed dialogue to keep listening to that track
>>719421768I have a speculation that Adam isn't actually dead and he's going to return in the new anime + and then again in the next game (which might be powerscaled more like both anime) to fix his legacy.
>>719422274Yes, but it sticks out because the Cyberpunk tabletop purposefully avoided this. Obviously the GM can do whatever they want, but according to the rules your players CANNOT beat Smasher. Best case scenario is getting away. Meanwhile in Cyberslop, you're able to kill him with maximum 1 casualty
>>719437214Fallout 2 is bad we all agree to this.
>>719424150One man's gay bromance is another man's woman with suppressed daddy issues
>>719451835Well said.
V is so heavily augmented he'd be a cyberschizo, except Johnny was already schizoing inside V's head so there's not enough room for any more crazy.
No dumbass they aren't a literal who they have Johnny Silverhand in their head and every time they die the chip reboots them
>>719440940Maybe the writing is just mediocre.
>>719446132Adam Smasher isn't that strong lorewise. He gets his ass handed to him by Morgan Blackhand (Mike Pondsmith's OC)
>>719422274Most good CRPGs don't pull shit like that. If you beat a dragon in an Infinity Engine game that because your party is insanely OP and can deal with it.
>>719451992Everyone always tries to use the tabletop stats for Smasher, but I've yet to see anyone calculate how much of a brick shithouse V would be on tabletop if you assume he has maxed out combat chrome in every slot and is max level.
for me, it's tech shotguns
>>719452096V is just a mulitclassed munchkin who got some some bullshit GM fiat item preventing cyberpsychosis.
Do you think they regret making V a customizable character? I was surprised when they said we're getting Ciri in TW4 instead of our own witcher.
>>719434782The protagonist still won even if he doomed humanity in the process.
>>719452447Male V was the most popular option by far and he is not that malleable. Making Ciri the protagonist was the result of pure ideology (aka Blackrock loans).
>>719452096What's really funny is that the sheet that gets posted around a bunch proves he can be killed pretty easily. It's only used by secondaries that see a bunch of stats out of context and think "WHOA THIS DUDE IS STRONG"
>>719436851I mean he's also supposed to ambush you in most scenarios, it's not like he's a mexican standoff type of guy
>>719439362I mean a good chunk of Smasher's brain is glued together because parts keep flying off in fights
>>719452774>>719451992Alright, what do some of the REAL strong mofos actually look like? How strong are they?
>>719452447Judging by how male V stopped being included in ad and promos outside of the first trailer, I'd wager that CDPR highly wishes they only made female V a thing, which is kind of hilarious considering very few people go female V and her voice and personality is so fucking grating that even women can't stand her.
>>719453742i really don't care for either of the V's, and i think the only background that fits for them is street kid
>>719452447Yes. I doubt they ever do it again. V's relationship with Johnny and Jackie is clearly written with male V in mind.
>>719424150Female V overacts in every interaction. There's no restraint and she just keeps raising her voice for no fucking reason. Male V is Just a way better actor, especially for the sad scenes. Just gives the character more depth.
>>719452096Assuming no limits on cyberware other than sticking to similar shit you can get in 2077 and high stats/skills. I think you could potentially solo smasher, you would just need a very strong weapon
>>719454996Would've been funny if Johnny commented on having a hot female body to live in or something. But they didn't go there.
>>719454578I think corpo blends better with the themes of the game.
>>719421768Smasher is just a shitty tank who move a little faster than a tank duo to Sandevistan, that's it, you can destroy a 10 millions tank like Abrams with a Javelin or a 10k drone retard
>>719455276>you would just need a very strong weaponYou don't. Any rifle with AP rounds would be enough.
>>719440197>CDPR didn't want to add unique models for every bit of chrome V gets chipped withThe models already exist for other characters but they only allow the most boring synthetic skin implants for V. It's sad.
>>719455547He's more advanced than a tank. You know nothing about the cyberpunk setting and Smasher's role in it.
>>719455560Ah yes because he's just going to sit there and take a beating right, you don't want to make sure it's over fast
>>719421768His terminal illness was mental illness. Thats basically a superpower.
>>719455726 do you think in 50 years in the future Missiles and drones tech didn't get better retard? Panem shoot down that flying AV with a missile after you hit it with the EMP
>>719421768I never bought Adam Smasher as a real threat. Always seemed like a big retarded bum. Not sure why they try to hype him up so much.
>>719440197That's a game problem then.I shouldn't look like the same character I made before I even had the fucking eye implant on credit if I'm just as much a cyborg as the evil boss and I'm fighting him as an equal.It's an RPG game, making your character visually improve and progress is one of the most fundamental things for the genre.
>>719455781You might as well concede the point because you have no idea what you're talking about. A $500 AR would be more than enough to down him.
>>719456234He is a big retarded bum but one carrying an army's worth of ordinance on a body built like a tank and decades of experience using bothKeep in mind, even IRL, the companies and governments have technology 20 years ahead of what the public even knows about at any given time and he has access to some of that.
Would be funny if they gave skins special abilities based on their season and made compfags all die from screaming too hard.
alt > bartmoss > somi > spider > lucy
I'll admit, watching Edgerunners and then embarassing Smasher in 2077 made me feel like I was the baddest dude in Night City
>>719424150shut upi just want to have sex with judy thats allits not that deep
>>719455197People compare femV to femShep but femShep was much better acted. Similarly though I prefer the males in both cases
>jap RPG protagonist kills god>/v/: This is fine.>western RPG protagonist kills some mercenary guy>/v/: REEEEEEEE! THIS IS SO FUCKING STUPID! HOW CAN A LITERALLY NOBODY KILL SOMEONE LIKE THAT? WORST WRITING EVER!
>>719451271You can beat smasher, he is statted. Just outfit the party with Militech 4packs, get the drop on him, and blow him away with 6 20d10AP hits. Though no, if you're trying to not just 1vs1 him, but 1vs1 him with a home turf advantage, goons, autoturrets, and after taking on a entire alerted building yourself , while also using a fucking pocket knife, no. It's nonsense. >>719422274No, and RPGS that do this are stupid. This is more of a shooter thing. Borderlands isn't a RPG. RPGs tend to have the player getting wrecked if they're trying to take on more than a half dozen guys at once, as a rule. Outside of fantasy where the protagonist is getting super powers that other people don't have.
>>719457017>thing, West:(>thing, Japan:)
>>719440613No way is the interrogation real, none of it would make sense. Johnny's unit in the attack was literally just some distraction, they were nobodies. Saburo wouldn't give a shit about him. Smasher wouldn't have cared about him enough to let him live. No one on Arasaka's side would've cared enough to use Soulkiller on him. Besides, the most damning bit of evidence is that Smasher shoots his metal arm on the roof, but its fine in the interrogation.The whole thing is Johnny's dying mind in the engram making up a reason for his death to mean something. No, he couldn't have died pointlessly, bisected by a guy who didn't give a shit about him. It had to be him who the CEO of Arasaka cared about. It had to be him they took away to interrogate, even though it wasn't his op and he didn't really know shit.He invents this whole rivalry with Smasher so that his death was significant even though it was Morgan that Smasher actually hated.
>>719457026Fallout moron? where your main character can kill dozens of guys and monsters with a shitty gun and V.A.T.S
>>719456931>lesbian sexThere's no such thing, sex can't occur without a man, same with gays, it's just glorified scat.Gay sex is not possible.
I'm not a car guy but I like this one
>>719421768Look at the dumb faggot who forgot the fluff is supposed to support the game, not vice versa
>>719421768I really just can't get into this game. The gunplay feels like it should be in a shitty fps roguelike and the story and world are just soulless. No idea why people like this so much.
>>719440613are not there supposed to be 2 Johnny? there were some theories about it aka the Spider Murphy(the netrunner who was with Rogue&Johnny) used Soulkiller on Johnny to try to save him, then Arasaka capture Johnny and use Soulkiller again and that's why he don't remember how things happen
>>719457995It's sort of a movie game, the gameplay is overrated. To bad the story isn't that interesting either at least there is plenty of it.
>>719457995>No idea why people like this so much.Story, setting, style
>>719456326>>719455560As per the Cyberpunk 2020 rules, Armor-Piercing (AP) ammunition halves the Stopping Power (SP) of the target's armor before damage is applied.To even scratch Adam, you need to roll 22 or higher on 5D6 to beat his reduced SP of 21, the chance of rolling 22 or higher on 5D6 is about 13.5%. This means roughly 1 in 7 shots that hit will actually do damage.Adam has a BODY of 18. This means he can take 35 points of damage before he is seriously wounded (needing to make a stun save) and 40 points before he is killed.This is without considering the fact that you won't likely even hit him in the first place and he will hit you for massive damage on his turn.
>>719452074Good thing Cyberpunk isn't a cuckoldRPG for faggots like youGo masturbate to your mary sue negro elf
The dialogue for this game is fucked. You can clearly tell that some lines were recorded ages after others and nobody told the VA's which tone to use to keep it consistent. Bugs the fuck out of me. Both male and female constantly change up the emotional tone of their voice between lines and responses.
When will Mutant Chronicles get a big budget RPG video game? ;_;
>>719421768>V is le nobodyLmao
>>719424150Playing as a cunt corpo black female towards Johnny is hilarious. Its counter to his whole everything
>>719434610he is effectively immune to non AP AR rounds
>>719430687I would say not really. They just have different philosophies of borging up. Smasher is packed with everything including built up weapon arsenal thats why he looks like he looks.Meanwhile V simply replaced parts of his body with chrome, like sturdier skeleton, under skin armor, biomonitor, second heart, blood pump etc. And a simple easy to hide cybernetic weapon like mantis blades, gorilla arms etc. V outside looks very human but inside he is full of chrome. Because V relies more on just using guns than having built in arsenal. And in terms of weapons there are guns that can deal with smasher, like grenades and weapons that can penetrate armor. Also V can have Erebus that is absolute broken beast aganist borged up enemies like smasher.
>>719430641Based Alex taking out the Frenchie
>>719421768>terminally ill nobodyi was damn near as Borg'd as him and carrying a small arsenal. i didn't plink the nigga down with a Unity and no chrome. lol
>>719431131>>719431314Talking with skye doll and meditation braindances from Zen Master keep Cuberpsychosis away from V
>>719421768What's the problem? Only Adam Smasher is allowed to be good enough to solo military convoys? Does he have exclusive rights, or something?
>>719459461As a top level Arasaka asset he actually does
>>719459517Arasaka ain't doing too hot lately
>>719459596I wonder how Orion will handle that. Arasaka are the main villain of the series and they'll have to lie low for at least the rest of that game
>>719439581No, it wasn't lol.
>install cyberpunk>add mods character creation models and clothing>"alright time to fully enjoy my AGP like never before!">V won't shut up>wont stop about bitching and moaningEven in the epoligue bitch won't shut up
>>719459894>"alright time to fully enjoy my AGP like never before!">have to open the inventory when you want to see your character
>>719421768>Best artists left and were replaced by early gen AI farmers and outsourced freelancers and what was left behind was drawn over
>>719421768>Someone's fay in a Cyberpunk setting is randomly ruined by a guy showing up and killing them despite thinking they're hot shitMany such cases.
>>719455197>especially for the sad scenes.I really love his delivery of "They killed me, Vic. Never been so afraid."
>>719421768You skipped the part where V was possessed by the ghost of Johnny Silverhand.
>>719459978Or just look down and see some (pathetic without mods) titties
>>719421768Only in fantasy and RPGs (ironic but bear with me) do people get stronger as they age and train and settle on an unreachable peak.In real life the strongest guy in the world is probably a mid-20s guy who trained for a few years and had the right lineup of genes and that dog in him. In a few years he'll be a little dented and another guy like that will take his place.That was Adam. Helps that he got boosted by Arasaka but his time on top was up. V took his pedestal, and likely either washed out or died soon after. Someone else will be on top next year. And another in a few years. And so on. That's the way it is.
It's been a few years now but I still think going don't fear the reaper into heirophant willingly was one of the best decisions I could have made in the end-game. Granted haven't touched the DLC but from what I hear that ending is a monkey's paw too
>>719462108>In real life the strongest guy in the world is probably a mid-20s guy who trained for a few years and had the right lineup of genes and that dog in him.This logic doesn't work in cyberpunk, and as technology advances it will eventually stop working IRL.In cyberpunk, the strongest person in the world is someone whose parents were rich enough to invest in gene therapy and a whole set of development and performance-enhancing technologies before and after they were born. Even if the same very person would have died in infancy just two hundred years ago, because of how poor their set of genes originally was.And that is without considering cybernetic enhancements at all.And this logic applies even less to Adam, as he doesn't really have anything left of him that can "age" outside of some parts of his neural system. He is 98%+ machine, and his "body" only gets stronger because a whole research department at one of the biggest mega-corporations in the world is dedicated to developing new parts for him.He is a brand representative, a walking Look-at-what-we-can-do PR campaign for Arasaka.What can be attributed to genes is his extreme tolerance for cybernetic enhancements that allowed for this to happen, as well as his specific mindset that kept him "sane" throughout the process" Realistically speaking, would could happen is some other mega-corporation could discover another perfectly-enhanceable specimen, invest billions in them, get lucky and then produce something that can replace him at the top.Nothing short of that would work.
>>719459215Luv me Erebus, simple as.Shame the Canto is kinda ehhhhhhhhhhhhh without mods.
>>719424150i don't hate him but i just can't stop thinking of him as dollar store master chief. the similarly tryhard tough female voice has no such associations in my head.
>>719461945That's less of a boob size problem and more of a V having a giraffe neck and looking down at a weird angle problem.
>>719466754Just admit that you need my cock homeboy.
>>719421768Yes is how RPGs and tabletop games work.
>>719459894i've jerked off several times to my fem v and panam and judy all doing sex animations.
>>719424150fem v (JP) is the superior option. although i do wish river wasn't romanceable, i like the buddy cop/street rat dynamic but then he starts trying to hook up and just makes it weird.
>>719462108>In real life the strongest guy in the world is probably a mid-20s guy who trained for a few years and had the right lineup of genes and that dog in himIn what context?
>>719421768>random nobodydo we tell him?
>>719455197It's just the fact that a woman trying to sound tough is peak cringe.
>>719421768that nobody has two personalites going on at once. imagine johnny spotting enemies for v that he hadn't seen, it's OP. Or when the nigga tried to fry v's brain, but having 2 personalities they took the hit together and survived.
>>719467958>and just makes it weird.That shit was beyond forced. You spend five minutes with the guy and suddenly he's your best friend and even his annoying family is trying to railroad you into romancing him.
>>719468279River got a lot of last minute rewrites. They basically cut his character in half and gave most of his story to Takemura.
>>719468452They should have written his boring ass out of the game entirely and given me more shit to do with Militech.
Why are people saying that Cyberpunk has a great story? It does not, it's pretty meh, and has an incredible amount of plot holes. Furthermore, the writing quality is very, very fucking inconsistent. You have some great moments, but you also have stuff that's just consistently cringe beyond belief (basically all "intimation" moments from V, these all sound like they were written by a woman who was never in a situation like that). Worse yet, this game is like 50% cutscenes and it's basically all on rails. It's a good game, but damn, I expected a bit more.
>>719421768Cope. V is the most powerful character in the setting.
>>719469359>these all sound like they were written by a woman who was never in a situation like thatAs opposed to all the men at CDPR who have been in a situation like that?
>>719430641meant for anal sex while holding hands
