I'd said it's both him and the devs but Tim could strive to provide better tools since devs are too retarded to their own fucking job.

>>719424927
Is it really the devs fault when every single dev has the same issues with Unreal Engine 5? Including Epic.

Well what are the devs gonna do, make their own engines? lole

>>719425147
>>719425103
>>719424927
It's obviously the devs. They don't have to use all that shit that makes the games run badly lol.

>>719424927
this is the only time i side with tim, devs are lazy or dumb

>>719424927
>just rewrite the engine but also pay the license fee and part of the sales
Yeah the blame is on the devs for accepting Tim's bullshit

>>719424927
Doesn't Fortnite still stutter?

>>719424927
You kinda accept the sin when money changes hands. Epic Games has quietly been receiving money from Nvidia, Epic is part of the problem/corruption.

>>719425361
Yes, Sweenster's full of shit

>>719424927
This is very Indiaphobic.

>>719425301
Yet they use any part of the engine and they experience the same damn problems.
Look at the Oblivion remaster. They just laid UE5 on top of the game then suddenly it becomes 10x more bloated in file size. Nobody was having even a fraction of the problems they have with UE5 when they were using UE4.

>don't fix the issues ue4 has
>instead, turn ue4 into a tv media production engine and call it ue5
>it's dogshit for tv media production and even worse for games
>spend trillions of dollars on marketing campaigns
>fund free ue5 bootcamps in 3rd world countries where you teach jeets how to drag and drop assets onto a scene
fuck you tim sweeney, you ruined a generation of games

>>719425817
How else do you expect them to sell new consoles and more storage?

>>719425918
any examples of UE5 used for TV media production?

>>719424927
>CHINKS WHO MADE THIS DIDN'T DO NOTHING, IT UE5, TOLD YA

https://youtu.be/hNsT6g9SEAw?si=-ipHj9TT5zUiZrsQ

Imagine damage control them for free

>>719424927
I agree with Tim on this one. It doesn't matter what engine you use when you're using ray tracing, high poly models, 8k textures, and a huge draw distance to see a fully rendered background. Back then, you would just use 2D sprites rather than models for things the player can barely see (like grass or mountains 2 miles away). Devs aren't being trained properly.

>>719424927
The devs because they chose unreal engine

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>>719426008
Fox channel uses it for graphics during sports matches, TV shows slop like Mandalorian uses setup with panoramic screens to show graphics on backgrounds

>>719426542
Fortnite still sucks tho, and that's a game running on their own engine...

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>>719426008
These ones.
Also this shitty gundam show https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s_fNP-ipgJA

>>719426652
You don't play fortnite, you just retell what other boomers said to you

>>719426607
so 3 shows out of 200 used it? lmao

>>719426712
You bet I don't play fortnite, I play much better games.

>>719426652
if your pc can't run Fortnite, you're on a stolen laptop lol

>>719424927
I THOUGHT TIMMEH WAS ON THE DEVS' SIDE
HE TOLD ME THAT HE DID EVERYTHING FOR THE GREATER DEV GOOD
HE WOULD NEVER SAY THAT

>>719426714
I am not interested in TV shows at all, I know about this only because I watched some presentation retard. If you had more than 80IQ you could google at least, but retards can only whine

>>719426714
>any examples
>200

>>719424927
UE5 could benefit from better documentation, but yeah, I have seen some retarded-level unoptimized models being used.

Gaming has been dead for more than 10 years now. The quicker we accelerate its complete demise, the faster we can get a new start for it

>>719424927
epic's entire claim to fame over other engines was that they would train developers how to use the engine

sounds like it's a failure on epic's side first

I've long been at the point where if I see a game uses Unreal Engine I'll ignore it. I have Unreal Engine Fatigue.

>>719426607
I think the panoramic screen shooting is actually pretty cool, it's like green screen except the visuals are right there and light up the actor. Lighting is close to perfect and you don't have to cg everything.

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>>719427229
SIGGRAPH2025 happened and made it obsolete

>>719425921
Consoles have always been selling at a loss since the mid 2000's. How about you just make good game?

>>719424927
given the fact that there are ue5 games that run fine, it is 100% on the devs. everything else is simply cope, if it was on the engine then those well-optimised games wouldnt exist

>>719426692
Wow. Every single one of these barring Transformers one are all shit.

>>719427708
Doesn't matter if it's sold at loss, they need new gimmicks to be able to sell new consoles. One great way to sell new stuff is to gimp the performance of games by not even trying to optimize games anymore. Apple has been doing it for longer than a decade it should be okay for gaming consoles to finally start doing same shit (sony wants to be seen as apple)

>>719427753
Give a single example of UE5 game running fine. Fortnite doesn't run fine and Epic made the fucking engine.

>>719424927
Reminds me of what SIG is doing with their shitty pistols.
Also, this fucking guy still going against Steam and their "monopoly" when he's doing the same with his engine

>>719427583
Not good enough. It's still AI slopping up your final product. Shooting with panoramic screens is real lighting.

>>719427895
sonic racing crossworlds :)

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>>719424927
Unreal engine would run fine if they were still making Unreal Tournament games.

>>719427753
Maybe if epic games didn't hijack the entire fucking industry and we wouldn't have this problem where it's cheaper for studios to hire revolving door jeets that have no clue about what they're doing instead of fostering talent and training in-house devs?

>>719425301
But if you can't see someone's butthole reflection in Snake's eye, someone will post a picture on /v/ going OH NO NO NO AHAHAHA LOOK AT THESE "GRAPHICS" and then the shareholders will panic and punish the game devs.

>>719428779
how is hiring jeets epics problem lmao

Even if it was the engine's fault it would be still the fault of the devs. They are not forced to use UE, they do it because they are unable to work with any other engine, let alone write their own.

>>719426008
are you a fucking bot or something

>>719428779
>hijack the entire fucking industry
what the fuck is this revisionism lmao

>>719425361
>>719426652
>>719427895
HOW ARE YOU NOT ABLE TO PLAY FORTNITE? IT EVEN WORKS ON 10 YEAR OLD CELLPHONES?

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>>719424927
Bad PR for UE5 is good news for g@mers.

>>719429385
Yeah I bet this will change everything now and we are not headed into complete jeet ai unreal age.

>>719429385
This is some cool shit

>>719424927
Unreal has always been a major headache ever since the days of Unreal 3 but it has never gotten this bad. Epic needs to get off its high horse and listen to devs and actual programmers on how to fix the engine.

>>719424927
>every game
>same issues
>different dev times
>different project models
>same engine
huh

>>719424927
Instead of dev just using epic they should join force and create some sort of base engine that serves as the pillar for other engines instead of using EPIC.
They could call it the BASED engine

>>719429148
Don't you dare talk to me as if we're from same species, cretin.

>>719424927
even fortnite stutters like a retard so no, I disagree mr timothy sweenie

>>719429570
actually I think everyone involved is getting what they deserve. No pearls for the swine

>>719429724
you're playing on what? A 90's Dell laptop???

Once again, it's the mustard race PC gaymers holding gaming back by refusing to upgrade from their ancient GTX 1070s.

>>719426542
UE5 is just a tool. If the tool encourages bad work, or makes it hard to make a decent product. The tool is just as much at fault as the users.

If they don't want UE5 games to run and look like absolute fucking ass, they can better support the devs, don't over-hype their shitty gimmicky tools that dosn't work, restrict who can use it and so on. They courted the lowest common denominator, and now they dare complain about it.

>>719429960
Kinda ironic you say that, because isn't gtx 1070 more powerful than PS5? I don't know where PS5 pro stands, but definitely not 1080 Ti

DF said Silent HIll f used ue5 and ran great at 60fps
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZO1XoVVHV6w&t=618s

>>719429960
That would hold more weight if consoles weren't still stuck playing blurry up-scaled 720p 30fps games like it's still fucking 2006.

>>719430081
DF is kinda scam channel

>>719430060
>because isn't gtx 1070 more powerful than PS5?
Not even close.

Engines are just a highly advanced topic. Hardly anyone on this planet knows more than one engine in and out. Let alone two modern commercially used engines for AAA development.

>>719428539
Manual says that it runs on UE4.

Unreal 5 is an engine for movies and promotional materials. Only a retard would make game using it. Most steamies can't even run Unreal5 games because of sharp increase in GPU cost. Good luck selling your game to handful of gamer dads with beast PCs.

>>719429148
Did they say they were unable to play it?

>>719430228
ps5 is what, 2060 super?

>>719430347
Yes.

>>719429148
Never said I couldn't run it. Just that UE5 bloats the file size and make it stutter. UE5 gives the game all the problems everyone has with the engine and the game is made by the fucking devs of the engine.
Claiming it's the dev's fault that the engine seems bad is a straight up lie when the people who made the fucking engine can't circumvent the same problems all the other devs face.

>>719425337
Except UE5 is riddled with problems on its own. Devs actually have to put in a lot of work to make UE5 not run like shit out of the box. That's called selling a defective product and Timmy is the one selling it.

>>719430431
It doesn't stutter. It runs at 200 fps on a shitty gpu. You're benchmarking a game with the worst hardware possible and pretending like as if it's the engine's fault.

>>719426714
You're a fucking triplenigger.

>>719430504
>It doesn't stutter. It runs at 200 fps on a shitty gpu.
With stutters. The problem isn't that people can't run it. It's that even if you can every game regardless of who made it suffers from the exact same glaring issues. That includes Fortnite and Epic. Claiming it's the devs fault that these problems arise is false since even the creators of the engine can't prevent these problems in their own games.

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I'm sick of the retarded "YOU SEE BECAUSE OF UNREAL, STUDIOS NOW HAVE A REVOLVING DOOR OF JEETS INSTEAD OF FOSTERING *REAL* TALENT!" meme, it's the most midwit argument from people who know jack shit about the development of these games
First of all, there is no "revolving door of jeets", it's called outsourcing, the main studios are all white
Big expensive productions require a ton of temp hires, and jeets are just the cheapest
>"but why do you need le outsourcing?"
It's a AAA problem, they do that because you need a bunch of contracted guys to model all those thousands of background objects and other similar menial tasks that a big budget game requires, none of those guys are ever going to be inhouse devs that you can "foster talent!" with, that's moronic
Just look at starfield or asssassin's creed shadows, both use inhouse engines, both have half of india in the credits
>"B-But unreal makes it easier for indians to-"
Just say you don't know anything about gamedev retardo, because rasheed and his family's job is just making models in maya or whatever other 3d software, which you can easily import into any engine, he is not fucking lead programmer you mong, he doesn't work with the engine and neither does the rest of his species
See pic related, notice how all the non-indians (left) are doing all the important stuff while jeets (right) just do basic bitchwork that has nothing to do with engine

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>>719424927
The engine is so customizable, why the FUCK are devs not fixing their games? Holy Shit.

>>719430462
You expect some hobbyist retard to use UE5 out of the box. Any professional studio should run at the very least their own heavily modified UE5. This is the bare minimum. Look what Titanfall devs made with their own version of source engine.

>>719430914
Great question. Ask the devs of Fortnite why their game stutters so much. You'd think the studio behind the engine would be able to do something about their own game

>>719424927
I want to see how this goes. the dev wars.

>>719430462
>Devs actually have to put in a lot of work
wait, I'm confused, I thought the problem with UE was that it was too easy and everyone can use it so no one is filtered, thus idiots are making games?
but now you say it's bad because it requires knowledge to use?

>>719431045
Fortnite doesn't stutter, retard. Get better equipment.

>>719430979
You just proved my point you fucking dumbass. If the engine is complete ass without having to heavily modify it it's just a shit product. Are you seriously trying to defend timmy the swine of all people?

>>719430838
Zero. Stutter.

>>719431249
I don't care what you say you're so low in the social hierarchy I wouldn't even have you clean my toilet

>>719431262
It's a sandbox engine, retard. We still live in the real world. A sandbox engine without needing to customize it that can fulfill every purpose out of the box and run well? Kill yourself you fucking delusional retard who doesn't know how reality works.

>>719431101
The problem is UE5 tricks devs into thinking it's a good engine that's easy to use because it comes with a lot of fancy tooling that does everything for you. While in reality it requires almost just as much work as a custom engine to make anything decent.

>>719431360
Why lie bitch?

I love how obvious and inorganic the sudden influx of "actually fortnite runs like shit!" posts really is
you can tell it's people who never once played it lying in an attempt to have a quick gotcha
downright pathetic

>>719431536
He's a shill getting paid by Epic

>>719431479
It being well documented and having about the most resources makes it the easiest to learn, same as unity. You can have the best engine in the world, if no one is using it then it becomes too hard to learn which makes it useless.

>>719424927
/v/ used to know this but I guess all the retarded zoomers finally took over the board and they have no idea how video games work. Blaming the engine has always been a giant meme, it's always been up to the game developers to actually work with it and optimize their game properly.

If you snapped your fingers and UE5 magically disappeared, games aren't suddenly going to start running at 200fps with zero stutter. Devs will simply latch on to some other engine and the blame game will continue. /v/ has been bitching about plummeting optimization standards in game development for decades, it's simply gotten so bad that even the normalfags are noticing it and the big bad engine is the easiest thing to point a finger at.

>>719431536
There's no lie. It works smoothly on shitty cellphones and GPUs. You're the one lying. Maybe it's your poverty wifi?

>>719429148
>HOW ARE YOU NOT ABLE TO PLAY FORTNITE? IT EVEN WORKS ON 10 YEAR OLD CELLPHONES?
my money is on the retard doesn't know how to drivers

>>719431663
An engine doesn't need 10 million self taught users to be good. It just needs to make good games, and you can hire actual talent and educate people to solve that issue. Like you know, what used to be the norm.

In the end all it means is I will continue to ignore, or at best pirate all the games that run on Unreal Engine.

>>719432070
You would think the zoomers would realize that when Unity runs like shit, Unreal runs like shit, proprietary engines run like shit, you would think just maybe they realize that it's not the engines faults.

>>719431649
If you play fortnite you should kill yourself immediately.

>>719432225
You're just a thief, you make excuses to abet you stealing shit.

>>719424927
He's right in that the devs are fucking up royally, Fortnite is more stable than the other games going around even if it still has issues - but that's to be expected since Epic made the engine and Fortnite. However, the engine is still clearly suffering from Lumen global illumination, the Nanite factors and numerous default settings or issues that are built in as flawed at the ground level that developers don't even realize are a problem until release since the environments they develop in are more controlled compared to just throwing the game out to varied configurations in the wild.

Epic needs to unfuck UE from the ground up and stop encouraging everyone to use their dogshit new features for fancy graphics that enable laziness, and devs need to stop outsourcing all of their work to people that just get a paycheck to do their job without one fuck given as well as pay attention to potential problems with the engine, but neither of these things are going to happen.

Valorant runs smooth as butter on UE5. Most developers are just lazy.

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>>719432163
Why lie you stupid bitch?

>>719424927
Tim is right 100%.

>>719432419
Fix your shit you mongoloid.

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>>719424927
Both are in the wrong. Not sure why it had to be one or the other.

>>719432380
Valorant is a UE4 game that's a corridor shooter. it has worse performance than counter strike 2.

>>719432419
>all post processing enabled
>locking the frame rate
If you want to test if it's the engine's fault, start with low settings and don't dick around with the FPS. You need a control group. Every benchmark I see on YouTube has no lag spikes. It's a weird thing to lie about.

>>719432483
Why lie bitch? It doesn't works on your device and the most expensive GPUs on the planet. You're the one lying. Maybe it's your stupid cunt mindset? You can't think? Think why you're a bitch.

>>719432225
>and you can hire actual talent and educate people
Getting to be proficient in an engine can take many months to even years. You're basically paying people to learn at that point. People that then can leave your company at any time where you then have to repeat the process.

This is just extremely risky. Not to mention the engine maintenance, the workshops to keep the devs up to date with the engine updates. How is any mid sized developer supposed to do shit like this?

>>719432593
>start with low settings
kek

>>719432593
Why lie bitch?? It doesn't works on your device and the most expensive GPUs on the planet. You're the one lying. Maybe it's your stupid cunt mindset? You can't think? Think why you're a bitch. Stupid hoe.

>>719432518
>Valorant is a UE4 game
Nope they just upgraded to UE5 a couple months ago and the average fps went up.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nVUXktsF4k

>>719432698
So worse performance than counter strike 2 thanks for confirming stupid cunt

>>719424927
Both, but the devs more than Tim. If they know they're running a shit engine, it's on them to optimize it or use a better one.

>>719432687
Control group to compare to. If you want to claim this is the engine's fault and not your hardware, you need to show the game running at maximum performance.

Let's say your Indian village gets a new shaman. He says that drinking cow urine will heal the flu. The people that drink cow urine did heal from the flu, but how do we know if it was the urine's fault or another external factor? That's why control groups exist. We can compare people who drank cow urine and people who did not.
>>719432694
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N5gwEdv29Fc

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IT IS NOT MY FAULT! IT IS ENGINE'S FAULT! FUCK YOU!!!!

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>>719432757
lol retard
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vKENbwijsVE

>>719433136
Delete this right now

I solodev in UE5 and you just have turn off...all the ue5 features to help it run better, disable plug-ins you dont need, NOT USING THE DEFAULT TEMPLATES AND BUILDING A GAME FROM SCRATCH, disable virtual shadow maps, Lumen, everything. Stop using quxiel trees with a billion triangles calculating all that shit alone is tanking your framerate. Clean up your retargeted animations since you cant animate and get rid of all the assets you aren't using.

>>719432618
Fix your shit you fucking retard. There's no fix for your retardation.

>>719432694
>I keep throwing money at the problem and its still there!!
quit being the dumbest gorilla nigger

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Reminder that this nigga enabled "VR Support" by default in UE4 and this causes performance problems in a fuckload of games and the ONLY clue you get as to this being a problem is that they will cause SteamVR to launch if a headset is connected.
Unreal Engine is SHIT.
SHIT.
It's terrible, terrible.

>>719432275
>I never played it
>but let me tell you how it performs so I can win an internet argument
what a sad existence
for the record I did try it out a year ago for a week and it's a decent game, nothing worth killing yourself over faggio

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>>719424927
>shits on consumers
>shits on developers
What is his endgame ?

>>719432070
it's crazy how the poor performance (and quality) of monster hunter wilds (proprietary engine, no jeets) has been the big news lately and yet people are still pissing their pants about unreal as if it's the reason modern games are bad
if I have to see another zoomer go "*sigh* if only devs still used inhouse engines..."

>>719434523
Complete, global, market saturation.

>>719424927
90% devs 10% Tim. Devs are lazy retards and don't want to learn how to work unreal to make it playable, and Tim doesn't want to make unreal retard proof.

>>719433571
So what you're saying is devs are retarded for not turning off VR support when it's just one click of a button

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>>719424927
both. fuck unreal engine.

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>>719424927
There are definitely games that prove UE5 does not need to have performance issues at all. Valorant, The Finals, Split Fiction, Everspace 2.

That being said, if Epic's own big UE5 advertisment called Fortnite also suffers from stutter issues, then there's clearly a much deeper pervasive problem than just lazy devs.

>>719434752
>ue5 is akshually optimized!!!
none of those use nanite or lumen or anything similar to that. nice try pedro.

>>719434675
NIGGER VR "SUPPORT" SHOULD NOT BE A DEFAULT FEATURE.
IF YOUR GAME ENGINE INCLUDES A
>MAKE THIS GAME RUN LIKE SHIT FOR NO REAL REASON
CHECKBOX THAT'S ON BY DEFAULT YOU'RE A MORON, AND THIS EVEN GETTING INTO STOCK UNREAL VR FUNCTIONALITY BEING DOGSHIT.

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>>719433571
nah, I'll keep enjoying my easy, free, unintended VR support
cry about it pomnicuck

>>719434848
>none of those use nanite or lumen or anything similar to that
Finals uses raytracing, Everspace 2 can use Lumen.
A game does not need to utilize the entire UE5 tech suite to be a UE5 game.

>>719428779
Every single company wants a universal tool, like image editing has Photoshop and video editing has Premiere pro.
It takes a lot of time, effort and resources to build, maintain and train new hires on your in-house engine and that's time that could be spent making cosmetics, battle pass DLC etc.
They would rather move to UE5 who is basically promoting itself as the universal game engine in an effort to make it so the potential new hire would have already have extensive knowledge and training on the engine before they even graduate college, also thirdies would be incentivized to also learn this so they can eventually offshore most game dev jobs to make it even cheaper.

>>719424927
UE5 definitely has some issues, but he's right. Modern devs fucking suck.

>>719435181
finals uses baked lighting and rt that does absolutely nothing and is integrated into ue4. everspace 2 is a low polygon roblox slop with baked ue4 lighting and uses lumen to tank your performance because ue5 is fucking trash. kys neckbeard.

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>>719434523
He wants the entire gaming industry to consolidate into Fortnite. You'll have to use Fortnite to develop in UE6.

>>719435589
disney x epic x nvidia is a god awful combo and i dont know how anyone here supports this shit

>>719424927
>unity for various reasons is regarded as a piece of shit
>there are hundreds of Unity games that run good
There is maybe one UE5 game that runs good.

>>719435216
I switched to GIMP because i got aick of pirating photoshop.

>>719430192
>people listen to bald
Never listen to bald people.

>>719434721
what's the context of picrel?

>>719436385
gimp is terrible trannyslop though. its like using firefox when chrome is available

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>>719435449
>finals uses baked lighting and rt that does absolutely nothing and is integrated into ue4.
The Finals uses its own fork of UE5, its raytracing is not some kind of UE4 integration. To say it does nothing is also retarded.
>everspace 2 is a low polygon roblox slop
Everspace 2 isn't low poly roblox slop at all, you've never played this game.
Go spam buzzwords to someone else, I'm out of you IQ range.

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>>719435449
>it doesn't count because... because I said so!

>>719435589
Holy shit that is peak, all you faggots thought NFTs would lead to crossover gaming content, but Tim Sweeney is actually going to do it.

>>719436767
>fork of ue5
so its even more bloated and demanding than the base one
>rt does nothing
yes
>everspace 2 is optimized
nice 46 fps + single threaded mess
not only does it look like low poly roblox trash, but it's extremely blurry and fails to antialias the buildings in the distance. this is your idea of optimiation? lmaooooooooo

>>719436708
I haven't had any problems with it. Last time i used photoshop was around 2015.
It's been so long since I've pirated anything i wouldn't even know where to go to get photoshop.

>>719434952
It's a game engine, everything is a default feature. It's up to developers to develop a game. kys

>>719436783
>optimization is when you use ue3 features in ue5 game
LMAO
please rope now, reddit troon

>>719437109
>"give me ue5 games that run well"
>anon delivers
>"no, they have to use these specific optional features of the engine!"
>they do
>"doesn't count!"
imagine moving the goalposts this hard and STILL crying like a little bitch when you get embarrassed
the absolute state of (You)

>>719424927
>too many studios wait until the very end to optimize instead of building with performance in mind
????
But UE advertises shit like nanite and lumen and what not that according to them is a "magic" for optimization?
How is it not the Engine's fault?

>>719437025
>so its even more bloated and demanding than the base one
No, it's in fact not lol.
>nice 46 fps + single threaded mess
It's not my screenshot, I googled it.
You're embarrassing yourself.

>>719424927
Frankly, they're probably both shit. The devs are certainly shit, I don't doubt it. But I haven't played a single UE5 game that was both performant and graphically impressive at the same time. Hell, I haven't played one that was "just" graphically impressive. Sure I've seen UE5 games that look good but nothing that knocked my socks off. CP2077 from 2020 + updates is just as impressive and somehow doesn't suffer from all the UE5 problems either (it does suffer from some). UE5 is all smeared ugly shite with temporal and blurry artifacts all over the screen and on top of that it runs like garbage too. If fucking NOBODY is managing to get anything impressive out of this engine then the engine must be shit as well.

>>719432419
Holy shit. Imagine being #1 company in game industry right now, getting payments directly from nvidia and jensen, and you still are unable to optimize your game, that's running on your own engine. If there's ONE FUCKING GAME that should be running stutter free, it should be Fortnite. Id software could do it with their own games running their own engines, so why can't Epic? Because they're hacks, and everyone defending this piece of shit game are subhumans. Literal worms have better takes than non-humans who defend this garbage game.

>>719435071
THAT'S NOT EVEN HOW VR INJECTORS WORK

>>719437229
>>"give me ue5 games that run well"
i never asked, inbred fuck. take some anti hallucination meds schizo.

theres ue4 games that didnt fall for the ue5 meme and in turn they not only look better but run at twice the fps. compare fragpunk to finals. if your game is in ue5 and doesnt use any of the features, gratz you downgraded ur performance for no fucking reason.

>>719437490
>if your game is in ue5 and doesnt use any of the features, gratz you downgraded ur performance for no fucking reason.
Valorant upgraded from UE4 to UE5 without using any new meme features, and gained FPS.

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>>719437490
>fragpunk
this your game, anti-UE schizo?
looks great!

>>719426542
Some tools make it really easy to do it wrong and really hard to do it right. Many years ago UE3 barely had GUI tools, you were expected to integrated their engine code with your C++ game logic and the tools where there to convert and place objects, triggers, scripts, etc. It still had that distinctly mid-UE look, but we didn't have many complaints. UE4 was where the jeeterific drag 'n' derp gui edited games appeared but there was an extreme gulf between professionally produced games that still used UE4 as a rendering engine attached to their own game logic vs. GUI riding dicksplashes, so again we didn't complain that much because the big UE4 games were pretty okay. UE5 is where everyone seems to have given up on using it as a renderer and have gone all in on the GUI. Big budget games are using the dragon droppings and the results are unsalvageable.

>>719437589
>gained 2% more fps at 800 or more fps while raising minimum specs
a change that wasn't needed. and it still doesnt use any of the ue5 features while being a heavy internal fork
>>719437632
look how clean it looks, retard. your eyes are probably so fucked that you can't notice it.

>>719437589
>Valorant upgraded from UE4 to UE5 without using any new meme features, and gained FPS.
I have several doubts about that. Because UE4 to UE5 isn't an automated process. The two engines are mostly incompatible. To go UE5 you have to massively overhaul everything and so how much extra performance was due to UE5 being somehow better vs. them just ripping out and replacing their aging cruftware and simplifying the pipeline? You see this pattern everywhere. Old codebase starts to collapse under the weight of years of code debt - massive refactoring takes place - major performance improvements occur but they have to chase new bugs for a while. Then by the time you fix everything the new engine is starting to get a little weighty.

>>719438024
>The two engines are mostly incompatible. To go UE5 you have to massively overhaul everything
why do you lie on the internet about things you pretend to know about

>>719425301
>They don't have to use all that shit that makes the games run badly
This would be a fair point if all of it wasn't on by default and some of it wasn't a pain in the ass to remove or turn off

>>719433416
And what does it look like after you've done all that? Because many years ago we had gorgeous games on hardware with only a tiny fraction of the power of today's, and the complaint is UE5 doesn't even look good with all the fancy tech turned on, framerate be damned, so you turn it all off, but unless it has a secret fallback to 2006 era rendering techniques that no one is using, I'm guessing you've just got the lowest performing Godot/Unity tier project that just happens to be powered by Epyc.

>>719425301
Exactly. Just use the old engines your devs know how to work with

>>719438247
seems like a good response to retards who say some ue5 games are optimized when they use technology of bygone era

>>719438247
>why do you lie on the internet about things you pretend to know about
Do you just reply with this phrase to any inconvenient fact you can't argue with? I'd accuse this of being a lazy bot post, but it's too targeted. Has to be an autist with an axe to grind and no facts to bring to the battle.

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>chud interactive is calling for total UE5 reviewbomb
Is he right?

>>719438304
that isn't an argument dude what the fuck
>ITS NOT MY FAULT I DID NOTHING TO MAKE THE GAME RUN BETTER

>>719438385
the problem is that all the new cheap blood only knows how to use unreal and the boomers are only interested in hiring these turds

>>719438342
NTA but back in the day optimization was considered an art. Now it's just seen as a cost center that you can just offload to the customer and tell them to buy a 5090 if they want the "real" experience. Look at MH:W, sold a shit ton of copies and ran like shit (to be fair that's most Japanese games).

>>719438438
>to any inconvenient fact
what fact
you made a completely false claim that you have to completely rebuild your game from scratch when migrating which is completely untrue
next time try not to get your panties in a twist when called out for being a pseud pretending to be a gamedev

>>719438638
>Look at MH:W
typical UE5slop running poorly?
imagine my shock!

>>719425361
yes
on a new shader cache it still stutters like mad

>>719438759
You zoomers are fucking retarded

>>719438024
>The two engines are mostly incompatible
This is completely false. You can open a UE4 project in UE5 and it will convert the project for you. There are only a handful of functions that were depreciated between versions, all of which can be easily replaced.

>>719438759
mh:w isn't ue5. retard

>>719438759
>>719438496
>>719437632
>>719436783
you are the dumbest nigger ITT.

Developers that use their own engines are all jeets that's why. Unreal 5 is better than indians writing their shitty engines themselves.

>>719438759
wilds is capcom's RE engine
it still performs like shit, yes

>>719438759
Another retard proving they know nothing about game engines

>>719436692
you're supposed to get better fps being further away from a voxel type tree which loads in after a certain distance away, but looks fairly similar to the one when close up to it

>>719424927
UE5 was demoed in 2070 level harware while looking incredibly good and performing well
That should tell you what you need to know

>>719424927
is it the devs fault for also having shitty lumens tim
?

>>719424927
Obviously Timmy is just damage controlling.

It's both, unreal engine 5 is a dogshit engine and the devs are dogshit at using it properly.

>>719432698
part of what makes UE5 run like shit is nanite and lumen. This is basically just the UE4 version running without the UE5 main downside.

>>719441349
Just like the PS3 at E3 2005

>>719441987
>dude it's like ue4 because they turned off nanite and lumen!
retard

>>719442216
you're right, it's even worse than base ue4, because you are sacrificing visuals and performance. retard.

>>719442457
go ahead and explain how it's worse.

american devs especially don't have an excuse for how shitty their AAA sloppa runs. Japanese and Chinese can at least use the crutch excuse that it's hard to get technical assistance/engine documentation in their own native language.

>>719442601
americans also dont know how to read, example, the skid row street shitter >719442585

>>719424927
>devs vs Tim "the era of PC is over, console is the future" Sweeney
hmm yeah I wonder who's in the wrong, a bunch of people or the guy who's famous of being wrong

>>719442804
lol nice work dodging the question

>>719441349
Probably with an RTX 6000 prototype.Those are pretty damn strong and have thrice as much VRAM as a 5090.

Those are already on the market, but they're worth about as much as some cars ($10k MSRP), so they're mainly used by servers.

>>719424927
The developers, for using COTS licensed engines.

>>719425817
Frankenstein remasters are the cancer of gaming.

>>719424927
Japanese devs are dog shit at optimizing video games esspecially for PC port.

>>719444763
PC gamers were pretty rare there for decades. Only recently that's changing.

They were ultimately the only ones who used PCs as "intended": a work machine.

nintendo <3 epic
blaming devs for their trash

>>719424927
If you choose not to disable automatic Windows updates is it your fault if that shit ruins your gaming experience or Microsoft's? Obviously it is the fault of devs.

>>719430081
Silent hill f isn't out yet, I know some of them have played it at gamescom, but it doesn't matter, until the full release. I'd like to see how Cronos, that new Bloober game runs. It's also UE 5 slop

>advertise that the engine is able to automatically optimize 3d models and textures
>engine runs like shit despite this

sounds like UE5 ain't what it's cracked up to be.

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Definitely the devs. The devs have the choice. For example, both Wuchang and the First Descendant were intended to use UE4 until it switche to UE5 in the last minute and ended being unoptimized as shit because the devs admitted that they know fuck all about UE5. Made even worse that they barely make use of UE5's supposed strengths so the games barely look any better than if it was on UE4 while also not running well on virtually 80% of consumer's rigs because not everyone has 5000 series GPUs.

Meanwhile Stellar Blade was being smart and used UE4 instead so it runs even on shitty laptops from 5 years ago.

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Unreal Engine is so fucked bros

>do we really need code that simulates ass hair follicles down to the molecular level?
>keep it in, great use of computing power
>should we add more vitiligo patterns or focus on fixing this stutter?
>hmmm, those stupid icky nerds will buy it anyway. add some top surgery scars for good measure
>should I compress these audio files? Nobody will be able to hear the difference and it will shave 50gb off the filesize
>what!?!?! and compromise the beautiful black voices in the Zulu dub? You're fired!
I don't trust modern western devs to make a good game with any engine.

>>719445448
here's the thing though, stellar blade looks like shit and i hate the fake cheap AO they abuse the fuck out of, making her belly button extremely unnaturally pitch black

>>719446461
Eh it looks decent at least on my rig. I can not say the same for nearly all the UE5 games I have played where it looks like blurry and pixelated shit and you are forced to use DLAA. Marvel Rivals is probably the best one on the account that it uses an actual art style instead of 3d realism so it masks out the common graphic issues associated with UE5 like dithered hair strands and overly bright lighting.

>>719446820
>common graphic issues associated with UE5 like dithered hair strands
this is in every modern engine what are you saying dude

>>719432070
>>719432251
>>719434564
Newfags

If a dev team is using Unreal or Unity, I already assume they’re all incompetent and unskilled.

>>719432251
>>719432070
Duh. The issue is not that the engine is slowing it down, but rather that they choose Unreal/Unity that is an indicator that the devs are inexperienced or otherwise technically incompetent. Probably learned to make games from Brackeys tutorials or something.

>>719435449
The finals does not use baked lighting
have you even played the game?
the whole thing is destructible environments, baked lighting wouldn't work in the slightest in it, it very obviously doesn't.

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BLOODY BASTARD UNREAL ENGINE BENCHODE!!!! UNREAL ENGINE IS PAKISTAN BLOODY!!! UNREAL ENGINE MAKES GAMES SLOW!!!!

>>719424927
He’s not totally wrong. If a studio develops their own engine, they know a thing or two about it. If a studio is paying to use UE5 and they’re trying to shut out a game then they’re more likely to shut the bed instead

People have shit like toothbrushes with 100,000 polygons but if it's UE5 it takes all the blame.

>>719446264
The video game adaptation of this guy ass raping Ol' Tim is going to be fucking kino. And it'll render in native resolution.

>>719425301
This is obviously the correct answer.

The devs should not be using Unreal. It's not 1999 anymore.

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>>719424927
He'd maybe have a point if Fortnite wasn't infamous for stream stuttering just like every other Unreal Slop 5 game.