>repeats whatever you just said>adds a question mark to the endIs this the key to being a good conversationalist?
Conversationalist?
repeating what someone just said shows you're listening, so yes
Read a book
>>719425643Kek
>>719425813A book?
>>719425560The recipe to become a legendary charismatic leader.
>>719425560Unironically yes. Asking questions and showing that you're listening makes people happy, you don't even need to actually say much yourself.
>>719425560This is just how Japanese talk and it seeped into the game
Yeah it works. Shows you were listening.
>>719426021epstein files?
Unironically win Dale Carnegie's how to win friends and influence people. Nobody cares what you have to say people just want someone else to listen and lather them in compliments.
>>719426064listening?
>>719425874A kek?
>>719425560normies love talking about themselves, just keep asking questions it's great
it's a trope in japanese because they got lots of homonyms so in a conversation with lots of uncommon lexicon you have to explain what youre talking about because they cant see the kanji.
>>719426384You come across as a massive autist doing this IRL
>>719426610it works long as you don't ask retarded questions, and follow up in a way that engages the person further.
>>719425560No, that's just japanese writing, pretty much every other japanese game and anime does it, see kingdom hearts and shonen in which they explain every new powerup and move that's introduced
>>719425560the key?
>>719426912Japanese writing, huh?
>>719425560>metal... gear?
>>719425643>>719425560>spends years training in special forces>has to have basic military shit explained to them
>>719426515Not to be a pedant, but they'd be homophones if they're written differently. Like their and there and they're.
>>719425560We have AI to replicate David Hayter's voice now, surely that could lead to some good vocaroos and shitposts
>>719425560I work with a bunch of women as the only man and I dod that Snake thing and my manager loves talking to me and tells me im a good listener and always know what to say. All I do is repeat the last few words of her sentences and add a question mark.
>>719426987expository dialogue is one of the most useful crutches you can have
>>719427008I don't care if you're a pedo or not, that's no reason to start calling people homos
>>719427226Reasons are just shriveled grapes for cucks, man.
>>719425560Yes, literally. That or just rephrasing what they said. Always remember that most people are desperate to have someone that genuinely listens to them.
>>719427049>RAIDEN. STOP GENERATING AI SLOP, NOW.
>>719425905Yes, Snake, books often feature lengthy conversations as well as the writer's inner monologue, they can help you learn to listen to others and develop the art of rhetoric.
>>719425560i do that quite often and it actually works really well since it makes people go more in depth about what they said without you having to ask more in depth questions
>>719425560Yes, unironically.
>>719425560good self-insert
>>719427361The art of rhetoric?
>>719425560Sometimes he deliberateley mispronounces a word like a cheeky bastard.>Snake, it's the virtuous missions.>VIRTUAL MISSION??>No Snake, the virtuous mission.>OH SO WHAT IS THIS WONDERFUL MISSION+??????Shit if I was Zero I'd be shotting Snake in the head righrt then and kill him and get a different dude for the missions....So fucking tiresome..
Does anyone have that newgrounds parody of snake going to the psychiatrist and being shown those papers with the inkblots?
>>719426987Have you never been naturally good at something, and when people ask you to explain it, you simply can't because it's just logical for you?
>>719425560A halfwit child, huh?
>>719425560This is a dangerous technique. As soon as two autists meet and try to both use this technique they're forever locked in a conversational conundrum that can only end in CQC
>>719427507Are you autistic, Snake ?
>>719427971autistic?
>>719425560Any other tricks I should know to be good at talking?
I like how this isn't even a Metal Gear Solid thing, he does it in the MSX games too.
>>719427507Rhetoric is the art of persuasive speaking which isn't necessarily always truthful. Rhetoric stands in contrast to dialectic which is concerned with the truth first and foremost. Did you know that the argument of rhetoric vs. dialectic spans as far back as fourth century Greece? I guess even the ancient Greeks like Plato and Socrates had to fight to get to the truth of the matter. Not much different than today is it Snake?
>>719428049Talking?
>>719428152Big Boss does it as well. So its clearly a genetic thing.
>>719428273A genetic thing? Like the Battle of the Bulge, right? Hmm. Yeah.
>>719426096
>>719428213A snake?
Why do Solid Snake and Big Boss do this but Liquid Snake and Solidus Snake don't?
>>719428152MSX?
>>719428467Superior genetics.
Why is snake so scared of dracula?
>>719428440A "snake", or "thueban" as they would have called it in the middle east, is a conceptual member of one of many potential limbless reptile species. How do they move without limbs you might ask? In a surprising variety of ways, ranging from something akin to an inchworm, to something a bit more impressive like a sidewinder throwing itself forward repeatedly at nearly 30 kilometers an hour! Let me guess...You wanna know how they taste right? I've heard it's something like chicken...
>>719428467Solid Snake and Big Boss were playable characters who needed to ask seemingly inane questions or need something explained to them because they were the stand in for the player.
>>719425560>I was born in a small village.>>Small village huh...>I was still a child when we were raided by soldiers.>>Raided by soldiers huh....>Foreign soldiers. Torn from my elders, I was made to speak their language.>>Language..... huh.........>With each new post, my masters changed along with the words they made me speak.>>Words... huh?>With each change, I changed, too.>>Huh...... *clears throat cancer*>My thoughts, personality, how I saw right and wrong. Words can kill.>>Words can kill hnnnnnngh......
No but it's a good way to encourage the other person to continue the conversation if you don't really have anything to add
>>719425560How does it feel when you're on the receiving end of being Solid Snaked? I do this to the old ladies that I work and they don't get a clue that I really don't care.
>>719426987He's a clone, he's never seen a helicopter before.
>>719425560sincerely speaking, yes. Mirroring is a valid tactic that demonstrates you're attentative and understanding of what the person is saying.
>>719432012Old ladies huh?
>>719430871and its kino
>>719425729Shows you're listening, huh?
>>719432527Yes, these old ladies make me question the validity of those boomer comics of "Wife bad, must kill."
>>719432259>demonstrates you're attentative and understanding of what the person is saying.But im not though. I'm just pretending by repeating what they said. I'm not *actually* listening or caring about what they are saying.
>>719425560It's a Japanese conversational technique called Aizuchi. It's used to continue and affirm the conversation to the person speaking without necessarily agreeing with them.
>>719426912Yeah they're incapable of writing realistic dialogue and as a result the characters are all just walking tropes
>>719432527baseball huh?
>>719433191Aizuchi...?
>>719430871>Hey, can you stop fucking interrupting me please?
What does your dialogue choice look like when it comes to empty conversations, /v/?>Wow>No way>That sucks>Really?
>>719434692*stares at you*
>>719428947He sucks at castlevania
>>719433715Tropes, huh? I just replayed a western game for the first time in about 6-7 years and nothing the main characters said was worth any substance to point where I skipped any and all cutscenes. I don't care to have my time wasted with bruce wayne whining for the xth time about his non issues.
people can't really go on for long without any input from you and if you keep just asking last thing they said pretty soon you gonna start getting dismissed
>>719434775Probably what I like about working with Gen Z. I hate trying to make small talk.
>>719434692Thats wild
>>719435190Or that new mafia game which is just reskinned romeo and juliet with mob trash. What a waste of time that was.
>>719434692>>719435213>>719434775damn
>>719434692>do you have any questions>...>noHORSESHIT. I know you're embarrassed to ask but we're trying to save time now so we don't have to double back on your mistakes later.
>>719426987basic military shit?
>>719425560Unrionically yes.
>>719434692>Dang>I see
>>719425560if the person you are talking to likes to hear themselves speak, then yes.
>>719436109But what if I don't like to hear when other's speak? I just want to put in my 8 hours of slaving away at work, I'm not here to listen how much you hate your wife/husband/kid.
>>719436109Hear themselves speak?
>>719436384just drop an "uh huh" every now and then while ignoring them
>>719436509uh huh
>>719435438>Do you have any questions?>Yes>I have to explain it again?! Weren't you paying attention you fhkjasdfnuvv yhjwa
>>719436981>childish warped schizo delusionOr if that's their reaction, maybe you've screwed up too many times and shouldn't be working there.
*smugly*Video game players, huh?
>>719433191I see. So it's a quirk that comes from a Japanese writer making something that's translated into English. Hmm... Makes sense when you think about it. Thanks for the talk, para-medic. You sure know a lot about Japan.
>>719425560That's a thing they do in Japanese to let the other person know that you're paying attention, the problem is it seems superfluous when dubbed into English. It's a lot worse in VNs and JRPGs with a ton of dialogue that isn't localized in a way that makes this repetition less apparent.
>>719437226
>>719437494It's not even exclusive to japanese conversation as the majority of the thread pointed out. A numbskull hrrmm...
>>719436551>*continues talking on how much they hate their wife/husband/kid*>Why don't you just kill them?I want to try this at least once just to see what their reaction would be.
>my cat died yesterday...>your cat died yesterday?
>>719426610You still have to pay attention to ask the right questions and that's all the normies care about.
>>719425560https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8kp3b5h2DY
>>719438038>Yeah, my cat died yesterday because of xyz...
>>719426987He was busy snowsledding in Alaska after killing Big Boss twice.Give him a break.
>>719433047Anon I dont know how to explain this to you, but EVERYONE is pretending to some degree. Its rare to have a conversation with a coworker or a guy on the street or whatever and ACTUALLY give a shit about whatever they're discussing / into. The reason "turn taking" exists in conversation is so you can eventually redirect the convo back to something you care about. Thats literally how normal people function.**exceptions may apply
>>719425560Replaying Delta reminds me why Kojima was right to replace David Hayter with Kiefer Sutherland. David Hayter sounds way too cartoony and his acting is literally mediocre anime-dub quality.There's no way people actually like his performance outside of nostalgia.
>>719438442Anime-dub quality?
>>719426987Basic military shit?
>>719438556Thats right Snake, dubbing is the act of cutting out foreign dialogue and translating it into spoken English. Its a serious topic in some communities, entire wars have been fought between Subbers and Dubbers. During the mid-2000s, a dubbing company called Funimation gained worldwide renown. Its likely that Local Izer is working for them, be on guard!
>>719438442Nostalgia? Are you saying the only reason people liked Snake's original voice actor 20 years ago was because of... nostalgia?
>>719438442>sounds way too cartoony and his acting is literally mediocre anime-dub quality.it got pretty bad in PW
>>719434392Yes anon, Aizuchi.It's a Japanese conversational technique used to continue and affirm the conversation to the person speaking without necessarily agreeing with them.
>>719425560It's for the player therefore it's good
SocratesnakeConcidence?
>>719438442I remember Metal Gear Solid being dumb but replaying it made me realize it's even more stupid than I thought.The Mario franchise, aimed at a younger audience, is more grounded than Metal Gear.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuXBbzds2x0
>>719432953Boomer comics?
>>719439113it was soulful in the OGhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouN12kctXyI
>>719425560I'm gonna be honest, I don't find these games fun at all. I'm bad at them.I've beaten MGS1, MGS3,Peace Walker,4 and Ground zeros.I've played MGS5 and portable ops but dropped them.Played most of the series and every time I feel like I have no control. Just fumbeling my way through.I'm convinced these are trial and error games that only become fun when you've played them a dozen times and memorized everything and mastered everything snake can do. Doing for high rankings. For a casual first time run it's just a tedious unfun mess. I'm playing delta and all it's done is remind me how much of a fucking chore MGS3 is. I can't fucking see people. I can't tell when they can see me. It's shit and kojima is a hack. The story sucks.
>>719425643FpbpBeat me to it
>>719439262The writing is hilariously bad, Kojima is lucky he got a job in the gaming industry.
>>719426987>has to have basic military shit explained to themYou do not realize how common it is to have basic military shit explained to someone in the military.
>>719438442You can bitch all you want but Hayter's voice is Snake and always will be. When people think of MGS they think of the alert noise and that man's voice
>>719439271>cool MGS delta is already cracked!> oh yeah I forgot MGS3 fucking sucksHonestly, I think the big issue with MGS is it doesn't sufficiently disincentives you from just going rambo, which is the easiest and fastest way to get through the game, and also not very interesting. Why am I even bothering with this stealth shit?
>>719425560That's literally something Denis figured out when dating young people
>>719439408eah, he's a pretentious hack. Honestly, the story is the worst part of the games he's involved in. They are a total mess which is a shame, because it's otherwise a compelling setting. More and more with his recent games he dabbles in Hollywood celebrity worship, clearly to massage his own ego by surrounding himself with them. He's absolutely not some gaming auteur like Kamiya or Itagaki.
>>719438938I rather like that ending detail. I'll have to remember that, thanks.
>>719439271You can't see people?
>>719438442It's Metal Gear. The cartoony-ness is part of itFor example: Ocelot's MROW!, Volgin's Kuwabara, Kuwabara, the Pain carrying Sokolov to a helicopter with his bees (really anything to do with the Pain), or Ocelot warding his hornets off by spinning his revolver
>>719439629you'll remember that?
>>719439654No, my FOV is always obstructed. I hate going through the grass and shit. I don't know their movement patterns. They best game in the series was MGS1 with a top down view and clear enemy sight range, not to mention the best radar.I don't want to wait and do nothing to hopefully sneak past. It's a boring stressful waste of time. It's more efficient to just kill them.
>>719439660One of the most iconic things about the series is the main character hiding inside and walking around in a cardboard box. The series has always had a touch of silliness to it. Seems to really put off some people who want to be Metal Gear fans but aren't
>>719439563For real, I just got done watching the end for the first time in easily 17 years (I've played it since but skipped all the cutscenes) and the speech The Boss gives at the end completely contradicts the mythos immediately built around her by the recording Eva leaves for Snake. >a world without capitalism or communism, a world where humanity is one againvs>she gave everything for the mission because TRUE PATRIOT baaawww
>>719439660Nobody actually likes the retarded Japanese corny aspects of MGS. They aren't funny or endearing, they just clash with the rest of the setting.
>>719439943>Nobody actually likes the retarded Japanese corny aspects of MGS.I like some of them. This version of Ocelot is easily my favourite and the MRWIAOW is a big part of why.
>>719438038>cat?
>>719439943Seems to me like you just don't like the series at all
>>719439897>Seems to really put off some people who want to be Metal Gear fans but aren'tThey're the same people that hate anime but still play anime games
>>719439943I don't know how you could stomach playing the series to begin with if you don't enjoy that part.
>>719438442>dude Kiefer is so good he's like this gruff guy like he's so Sad Dad Core
>clear game>here's five dozen mostly useless camos, have fun scrolling through that shit won't youTh-thanksSeriously, badly need some kind of QoL patch that lets you put unwanted camos in the backpack or some shit.
>>719440240A patch?
>>719440240Unwanted camos?
>>719440240thanks?
>>719440124I like the idea of the series but I haven't actually had fun with any of these games. I feel like MGSV has good gameplay ruined by tedious base building crap but i'm not going to invest the time to get good enough to find the fun.In terms of stealth games, Hitman is just actually good for a sandbox of completing missions. I've really tried to find the fun in MGS, i've played though most of then series, but imo it seems like the fun comes after hundreds of hours grinding to master the missions and the juice just isn't worth the squeeze.The story is obviously incoherent garbage.I gaslit myself into thinking I enjoyed MGS3 and now that i'm playing delta ( for free) it just reminded me that I don't actually get any fun out of this shit.
>>719438442That's on the direction more than Hayter. His performance in in the prior games (especially MGS1) is a lot more subdued. I like Sutherland a lot as Big Boss and as Venom but I don't think he has the same kind of range as a voice actor that Akio Otsuka does; it's hard for me to imagine Sutherland as Solid Snake or Naked Snake.
>Booba?
Imagine, in a just world, the bants that could be had calling SIGINT with this on.
>>719440443So you don't actually like anything about the series
>>719440193Most people with a 3 digit IQ learned to just tune out Kojimas diarrhea early on, and just try to enjoy the gameplay and level design.
>>719440583No. well I thought MGS1 was perfectly fine gameplay and design wise. Maybe I'll enjoy MG and MG2 as well as that gameboy game, but honestly the series has had enough chances.
>>719440702MGS1 is like a soft remake of MG2 anyway. Lifts a bunch of set pieces from it
>>719440584Just admit that you need my cock homeboy
>>719440879How are you going to say hes wrong? Every MG i played i couldnt wait for it to be over because of how long and boring the cutscenes were. Its impossible for someone to like them
>>719440564https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2fND2V1a81I
>>719441030They're goofy and fun
>>719439660I can point towards something wrong with every single cutscene in the game, Kojima made the right call by never trying to make a movie.
>>719440702If you like MGS1 you'll probably like MG2 and GB. They're similar in style, just heavier on sneaking/exploration. MGS1 has a better set of bosses though. I also quite like MG1 but your mileage may vary. It's pretty remarkable for a first attempt but there's some weird shit in there that doesn't quite work if you're going in blind.
>>719441030>Its impossible for someone to like themget over yourself
>>719440760Good to know. Genuinely MGS is a series I want to enjoy. I see flashes of brilliance there but i've become disillusioned with the games. The secret to enjoying them just seems to be trial and error. Master them through repetition. MGSV seems like the prime example of this Again, the juice isn't worth the squeeze. I end up beating the games, but I never feel confident or in control, i'm rarely doing anything interesting, because when you don't know what's coming, simplicity is king, and that's fairly tedious and boring. It's a stressful series to play, that also doesn't even force you to master it but not being that hard, and by giving lethal options. You can fumble your way through and just have a not very fun experience your first run which doesn't make you want to play it again.
>>719441156Fucking up and having to run for it or blast your way through for a bit is part of it. There's a reason the series doesn't have Splinter Cell three-alerts-and-you're-done rules.
>>719441083Yeah I understand that but like stfu and get on with the game.>>719441145You cant like them.
>>719441108>>719441108MGS1 is obviously kind of simple, but it's perfectly structured to be fun your first time through. The later games kept adding complexity, taking away certainty but then not actually making things much harder on the design and enemy end. playing well is just for ranks, the skill floor is set very low, and players who aren't knowledgeable or confident obviously take the simple path of least resistance... which isn't very fun.
>>719441290>You cant like them.there's a reason this game is more highly regarded than whatever you like
>>719441030I love the japanese anime story and it's the main reason I play them. I wouldn't sit through some garbage like cyberpunk 2077 to have a D lister like meme reeves spout a juvenile nonsense story at me however.
>>719441453Yet theyre all a bunch of crummy movies that literally nobody remembers
>>719441280I'd rather just reload, or go in guns blazing from the get go. Honestly. when it becomes an action game, the games get easier. it feels like you aren't playing correctly rather than some dynamic situation.
>>719425560a good conversationalist?
>>719438442It gets worse in Peace Walker, like holy fuck I got second hand embarrassment every time he spoke.
>>719441558I never got the impression Cyberpunk was trying to tell a good story. It never felt like it had it's head up its ass, it's just a videogame, same as any other AAA slop. They made a cyberpunk story to fit the cyperpunk setting. It's purely functional. MGS tries to be a cinematic masterpiece of writing.
>>719441813>It never felt like it had it's head up its ass,lol , Most of the main quests in Cyberpunk is dialogue and cutscenes
>>719441453> highly regardedTWU
>>719441813>It never felt like it had it's head up its ass,>muh sad boy loser gangbanger character is dying from computer aids >you gotta leave a legacy of being trashy choomIt's incredibly up it's own ass
>>719441813And what makes metal gear any better than even TLOU for instance? Its better written and keeps the dialogue to a minimum to tell a coherent story.
>>719441887It felt like any other bloated budget open world game to me. They never shut up in like assassins creed or Grand theft auto either.
>>719441813When it made me do that Brain Dance sequence I stopped playing the game. Why would anyone every want that. At least you can skip cutscenes in metal gear
>>719441912rest in piss king cobra
>>719441996I'm not seeing it. All I noticed is the DEI as they had too many woman never shutting up. I really don't believe cyperpunk had any aspirations of having some meaningful story. it just felt like a typical video game to me. Not much difference between it and like Deus ex human revolution or something. Forgettable and functional. It absolutely in no way trying to be a MGS artsy game.
>>719442271agree to disagree. either way, it's an up it's own ass poorly written rpg.
>>719442025Metal gear has an interesting setting. TLOU is zombie cancer. TLOU is just actually executed well. MGS is best experienced as cliff notes. less is more so you can fill in the gaps in a less retarded way than Kojima.
>>719442647Yeah I agree. MGS is way cooler and has better ideas but its executed so poorly compared to TLOU. TLOU blew people away when it came out because of that. Metal gear not once provided a coherent understandable story experience.
>>719438339I'm always genuinely interested in what people have to say. I never go anywhere or do anything or have friends so even the most mundane things sound cool to me. I wish I could go up to strangers more often and ask about their lives but everyone is so reserved now.
>>719443053>Metal gear not once provided a coherent understandable story experience.MGS1 is perfectly comprehensible.
>>719443147Its not pleasant to actually fucking listen to though. Theyre yapping and youre dozing off because its so much dumping and bizarre syntax. Even if it was comprehensible the story is nothing special.
>>719441280But muh european extreme
>>719443216>Its not pleasant to actually fucking listen to though.I found it fun the first time. You are skipping cutscenes on subsequent playthroughs obv.
>>719442025>MGS hater is a TLOUeww no wonder games are so shit they have people like you around. Something so processed and by the numbers that they turned it into a TV show and nothing was lost from the experience
>>719433047Whether or not you give a shit about what they're saying is irrelevant. You have to pay attention to mirror and requires more focus than saying "uh huh" as a response. You may think it's absolutely nothing to do this, but this is the effect it has.
>>719443216Sounds a like a failing on your end.
>>719425643card keys?
>>719441813>MGS tries to be a cinematic masterpiece of writing.MGS writing is schizo, sometimes silly and goofy and other times serious. I don't think it takes itself too seriously.>>719441996no it isn't bitch i'll kill you
>>719434692Complete silence and autistic stare
>>719441813>MGS tries to be a cinematic masterpiece of writing.This is so out of proportion if you've played AAA as of late. It's full of movie games written by wannabes who want to get into the tv and film industries by making the next TLOUMaybe I can stretch it that MGS2 wants to be a cinematic masterpiece but the rest of the games are too corny and MGS1 kept its head on straight as a basic scenario thriller with no pretentiousness
>>719440443ok then shut the fuck up. You don't like the series, it's not for you, so don't speak for the average player. I don't go in gacha threads and say shit like "nobody actually likes the japanese big titty anime girls"
>>719441813>MGS tries to be a cinematic masterpiece of writing.It's just dumb fun. How the fuck can anyone think stupid shit like Deepthroat and Vulkan Raven is supposed to be taken seriously?In fact that's the whole reason MGS is such a good story. So many other games fall down the rabbit hole of beating you over the head with its themes, meanwhile MGS might drop a load of exposition on you but at its heart it's just a fun wacky anime game.
>>719425643lol
>>719446534Nobody actually likes the story of MGS. They are either larping retards who don't understand it, you recognize it as the garbage it is.I'm more than happy to go into your thread and call you a dumb faggot. I could care less what the average dumb fag purport to think.I respect the genuine autistics that find the fun in the series by having a fixation that makes them play the same shit over and over again to optimize it. I have nothing but contempt for the faggot casuals who claim to be fans of this series because they can't actually tell a good game from a bad game, just a hyped game from an unhyped one.
>>719446750>It's just dumb funDo you know who Kojima is? he thinks he's being avant-garde.
>>719447019>he thinks he's being avant-garde.He is, in a way. Dumb fun is so incredibly rare especially in Hollywood. Everything that is lowbrow now pretends to be highbrow.
>>719446950This is right. If you have played MGS and understand it, you dont like it. Its a hallmark of knowing the franchise. its what differentiates noobs and veterans of it.
>>719447019He is
>>719439943On the contrary, that’s what made them stand out compared to other military focused stealth action games like Splinter Cell and Syphon Filter.MGS is a very unique combo of tacticool military autism and anime melodrama. It’s also one of the few stealth games that actually puts a lot of effort into its story, since story is an afterthought in most stealth games.
>>719447159>Dumb fun is so incredibly rareNo it isn't. at all. self aware Camp pollutes everything. Every marvel movie is this garbage.Kojima is just trying to add "comic relief" to what he considers as a groundbreaking narrative.
>>719446750>It's just dumb fun.No it's just dumb
Dumb?
>>719447159>Dumb fun is so incredibly rare especially in HollywoodThat's literally every superhero movie
>>719447451remove the fun part. It's just fucking dumb dogshit.
>>719434692>Very well, I will go along with this>Great>Wait, ain't that bad?
>>719447345Mood whiplash is a deliberate tool some writers and artists employ to keep you on your toes and disarm you for the more serious moments.David Lynch is a good example of this, and I can’t help but feel that Kojima’s style was inspired by Lynch in some way.
>>719425560I've always thought this was garbage writing since 1998.
>>719446750>he doesn't know "Deepthroat" was the informant in the Watergate scandal.I think they literally tell you that in the game.
>>719447564It’s a byproduct of the game being Japanese, Kojima being autistic, and also stuff getting lost in translation from Japanese to English.
>>719447535It's so fucking funny how people think Kojima's weird shit is intentional and not just a result of him being an autistic Japanese manchild
my favorite question snake asks has always been>Super baby method?
>>719425560>>719425643OP BTFO
It helps. Whenever my wife goes on with her marathon talks I repeat what she said with some change of wird order or ysing synonyms. She thinks I'm listening and participating while I'm actually just in auto-mode on the conversation and actually focusing on my game or phone
>>719447590It’s literally the first thing snake says
>>719446750>So many other games fall down the rabbit hole of beating you over the head with its themesMGS absolutely beats you over the head with its themes. Its not subtle at all with what it tries to say, and it often goes balls deep into heady concepts and political theory. The entire final act of MGS2 is basically just a glorified academic thesis on memetics and information control.>>719447656Are you implying both isn’t possible? Most creatives are weirdos in some way or another.
>>719446950Yeah we get it nothing is actually good about it and nobody likes it but you were the only one to see through it and we're all so lucky that you're spending your time here today, I'll forward this advice to konami
>>719425643hehOP in shambles
>>719447950Shambles?!
>>71942564310/10
>>719434692You’re funny anon and I like you a lot :)
Kojima without fukushima is autistic enough to blow his talent and giganormous cheques on walking sims and hollywood actorsFuck that guyLove some mgs tho
>>719433715that also makes dubs especially clunky, hearing people talk like that in japanese sounds natural, but as soon as it's dubbed to english or sometimes other languages it sounds like shit and breaks all immersion, not necessarily talking about metal gear but a lot of anime
>>719439512This is fake, Glenn wasn't bogged back then
>>719447929>>>/reddit/
>>719447214That's anything you get deeper into especially as you get older and more cynic. It doesn't mean "nobody likes it".
>>719448150how much better would death stranding be if someone could bitchslap kojima?
>>719448189you have to use the url bar
>>719425643If they make it a point that he's exceptionally intelligent, why can't he figure out he's being used and manipulated by one party or another in almost every game far quicker
>>719447912>Most creatives are weirdos in some way or another.Yeah but they aren't manchildrenThere's a process you go through where your ideas get put under scrunity and criticism and you grow up and mature, Japan doesn't seem to have this
>>719448253Hed go back to making mgs after making them beg and sign a contract to let him keep some royalties
>>719446950I like it in spite of it being mostly garbage. Kojima just has a skill for making you care about his garbage. Know what I mean?>me sitting there fully engrosed in a quasi homosexual relationship drama between two men called Big Boss and Kazuhira Miller.
>>719435190I just finished playing a norwegian visual novel that was funded by the goverment just like dustborn and it was all strawmen and self-affirmation
>>719447535Kojima is a hack. he'll do stuff like pseudo-retcon out Solidus from later games as a meta way to show his fear of not being remembered come true, which is a neat idea, but he won't actually put any effort into having this make any sense in universe. Kojima is a textbook pseud with delusions of grandeur. He's a hack.
>>719425560Absolutely! It would never get annoying ever
>>719448363>There's a process you go through where your ideas get put under scrunity and criticism and you grow up and matureExcept if you're a rich Jew apparently, Druckmann seems to be able to get away with the dumbest fucking plots.
>>719440443>I like the idea of the seriesNobody actually likes the idea of MGS.
>>719448363As other anons have pointed out. Look at most western pop media it's far more juvenile and simplistic than even kojiman's nonsense.
>>719448387Yeah, its a compelling world. MGS is best experienced in bite size chunks of things you appreciate divorced from the wider context.
>>719448532Even Marvel slop isn't as stupid as MGS, and that's just a recent thing in the past 10 years, Kojima has been doing it for a lot longer
>>719427971Mrghrhrrrr! Autistic? What do you *mean*?
>>719448363I've only ever heard of japan as a place where your ideas and scrutinized and criticized by your seniors until you grow up and mature and you're put in charge just because you're old now.
>>719448578>Even Marvel slop isn't as stupid as MGS,The entirety of the almost century long industry of superhero garbage is well and truly beneath it. You're just wrong. Golly gee spiderman, it sure is tough being poor and being a good person when you chose a career as a photographer and struggle with your 40k annual income.
>>719448578Marvel slop?
>>719448624I suppose that's the 99%But there's the 1% which are people like Kojima or Yoko Taro where they get put on a pedestal and literally nothing they do is wrong and their entire game is subject to their autistic whims and desires
>>719448671I'm just talking about the recent movies, not comic books (nobody cares aobut those)
>>719448695he's referring to the trashy super hero movies. Same with DC and batman and superman etc.
>>719448750Super hero movies?
>>719428947I am 100% certain this JPG is movingThe edges are slowly zooming out
>>719448671ACKCHUALLY wasn't Peter studying science, and doing photography on the side, and being able to take pictures of Spiderman just turned out to be a thing that worked to keep him employed?
>>719448863True, Golly gee spiderman you sure whine about a lot of issues when you chose a career as a high school teacher in a high cost of living city. And Uncle Brent is still dead? Oh nooooooo
>>719448701I think the elephant in the room is that many weebs have very low standards when it comes to storytelling, as vidya and seasonal FOTM anime accounts for the majority of their experience with storytelling. This is why whenever an eccentric auteur comes along, it seems absolutely groundbreaking to them, even if the things they’re doing have been done better by other things before.Kojima became popular at a time when most vidya stories where just “defeat the bad guy”, so a non-RPG story with actual thematic complexity really stood out, even if the execution was extremely messy.
>>719425560I did this irl and my friend thinks I'm retarded.>"My friends visits me today">"Your friends?">"Yes, my college and church friends">"College and church friends?">"uhhh yeah?">"yeah?"Am I doing it wrong?
I think the elephant in the room is the fringe minority is still pretending that western storytelling supersedes something as lowbrow as hideo's middling ability. And that's incredibly funny.
>>719449074It's because you're an ESL retard
>>719425560He is building rapport by confirming that he did listened to your faggot discourse by repeating/rephrasing whatever the fuck you told him.
>>719449159This isn't a Japan vs the West issue, even anime puts Kojima's juvenile garbage to shame
>>719437613Watching Vinny play it with Live Chat Replay is comedy gold
Newfags really need to learn to start reading threads before posting.
>>719449198Bold statement for such a nigger grammar. Nigger.
>>719425643KEK
>>719449240>even animeI'll rephrase it for you. even western pop media like star wars and star trek manage to barelyscrape by when compared to kojima's writing.
>>719449407Why are you comparing it to Star Wars and Star Trek? They're worlds apart
>>719449460>world's apartNot really, star trek maybe. Star wars is baby's first fairy tail. Most sci fi anime, like gundam easily surpass it on every level.
>>719448353Maybe he's exceptionally intelligent but only battle wise? Like the same reason why Goku is a 200 IQ prodigy in battle but a retard doing anything else
>>719449518Why are you comparing Star Wars to Gundam in a conversation about Kojima?
The elephant in this room is that you can't appraise something by subtractive criticism and prove its bad by listing flaws. In reality value in media is created by positive attributes, and people tolerate the flaws after that because flaws often just give unwanted company to the enjoyment rather than erase it. It's not zero sum. If you can make a mental list of flaws but not a mental list of what's appealing about a piece of media that has an established audience you're the one that doesn't understand it.This fucker on the right taught me all of this in a few minutes by explaining why sonic the hedgehog is a bad overrated game that people don't realize is bad. A lot of his points were correct. But he was completely oblivious to why people like it and why that mattered.
>>719449056That's just video games in general. stuff gets celebrated for basic competency. Is The Last of Us really that special, or is it just another zombie movie?
>>719449198ESL?
>>719432859That’s right, Anon!
>>719449758English as a second language, huh...
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>>719449518Star Wars is good specifically because it's a fairy tale.
>>719449351This is the future of America, and it's beautiful....
>>719434692I don't do small talk. ever.
>>719449749TLOU had a unique historical context going for it in the sense that game journos were desperately trying to find the “Citizen Kane of gaming” at around that time, so they latched onto any game that had a narrative/cinematic focus. TLOU just so happened to be released at a time where people could latch onto it.
>>719427554Did you just say... nerd?
>>719449843Star Wars is good because of the special effects, that's all
>>719449879not talking, huh...
>>719440454>That's on the direction more than HayterThat's bullshit when most of the other characters sound competent and the Japanese audio doesn't have this garbage in it.>>719439465Again, you're just blinded by nostalgia. That kind of voice acting was tolerable in the early days of 3D gaming but it just sounds absolutely retarded today. >>719439660>The cartoony-ness is part of itThat doesn't justify awful voice acting.
>>719449883TLOU was just an extremely polished story game so people liked it, even though the story wasn't anything special
>>719449913You're delusional
>>719449407>even western pop media like star wars and star trek manage to barelyscrape by when compared to kojima's writing.I dont understand, do you have a food analogy?
>>719448150ai post
>>719449930Correct, but the reason it got hyped into being a GOTYAYs is because of the need game journos felt to prove that vidya was a “serious medium”.
>>719449869*everywhere
>>719450004A food anology...?Sorry anon, that techno talk goes over my head...
>>719449905It's a simple morality tale about how you have to resist the temptation to do evil. It's supposed to be incredibly simple and black and white. That's the point.
>>719439660I'm surprised The Pain's bullet bee from the mouth wasn't the first thing you called out
>>719425643Damn it, stupid likeable snake
>>719449074>My friends visits me todayWrong conjugation and wrong tense. The correct conjugation would be "My friends visit today". However, the present imperfect tense would be more appropriate here, so it should be "My friends are visiting today".>>719449351>Bold statement for such a nigger grammar. "Grammar" is an uncountable noun, therefore the indefinite article should not be used. The sentence should be "Bold statement for such nigger grammar". "Nigger" is also used as an adjective here despite being a noun, but this is not uncommon in colloquial English so I won't consider it incorrect. Still, the terms "niggerlike" or "niggerish" may sound better.Hope this helps.
>>719450112Nobody is watching Star Wars for the "simple morality tale" bro
>>719426987This is realistic actually
>>719450176The core audience, 10-12 year olds, are. >inb4 muh 30-42 year old children argument
>>719449913>the Japanese audio doesn't have this garbage in it.Different director, obviously.
>>719438442Yeah, David was the perfect VA for the retarded plots
>>719450176they 100% are. People like the reassurance of stories where there are very clear distinctions between good and evil. People literally project that shit all over reality.
>>719439113>>719439408>The writing is hilariously bad because this guy talks about how amazing revolvers are and uses them to fight beesMeanwhile, one of the most acclaimed directors in film history: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bdyjZlnpg4I
>>719450242>>719450280They are watching it to watch spaceships and aliens fight you fucking idiots
>>719425560That's how I've been getting through life for the past 30 years and it's working, sort of
>>719450315(good) spaceships fighting (bad, scary) spaceships, yes.Show those same people Babylon 5, and most of them don't give a fuck. Far too close to real politics with it's boring ass diplomacy and shades of grey.
>>719450349Sort of?
>>719450349it's working?
>>719450394The morality of the people involved are not relevant
>>719446950>Nobody actually likes the story of MGS. They are either larping retards who don't understand it, you recognize it as the garbage it is.But why is it bad
>>719450440It's the whole thrust of the thing. It's why you want to see Luke win. Without that, nothing matters.
>>719450394Babylon 5 looks like shit, to be fair.
>>719450070Everywhere?
>>719450481No, Star Wars is shallow escapism, the story or the morality of it isn't important, it was built on the great special effects and battle scenes, that's all
>>719441813>It never felt like it had it's head up its ass
>>719425560>>719425643It worked for Commander Riker, and everybody loves it when he does that
>>719449198Oh no! What would I do? I has been find out!
>>7194505342001 also had great special effects, and people don't pog out to 2001, because it's weird and esoteric, instead of being a tale about good fighting evil.Waterworld had great special effects, but the storytelling is ultimately too weird and eco-faggish, and doesn't quite resonate with people.
>>7194506952001 is not an action movie, it didn't have exciting battle scenesWaterworld was not impressive at all when it came outStar Wars had mind blowing special effects when it came out (the original movies)
>>719450762Waterworld had some of the most impressive film sets ever. They built a whole town out in the middle of the ocean.
>>719449905Whats with everybody making ridiculously reductive statements tonight. I'd rather you guys go back to making up stupid shit that isn't true at all.Star Wars 77 had a good script that was fun and kept you invested in the story beats, good character designs around arch types, subtle humor, great actors like james earl jones, alec guiness, peter cushing, harrison ford, an amazing score by john williams, a great aesthetic designed by ralph mcquarrie and others, memorable sound design. There's plenty of a good special effects movies that are only known as being special by special effects enthusiasts and no one else. Go watch coppola's dracula movie. Everything you see was in front of the camera and there's no compositing. It's visually amazing and an exemplar in the craft, but it didn't take over the world because it's a meh movie.
>>719450796Nobody caresI saw it when it came out it was just Mad Max on the ocean, it wasn't interesting
>>719441813>>It never felt like it had it's head up its assIt's filled with B-C-D list schlock actors hamming it up for a nonsense cheesy board game story.
>>719441072I think Boss also comments on it too, but she also says Black Camo is bad because you look like a giant ink blot even at night.
>>719450824it wasn't interesting because they didn't nail the characters or the themes, so it kind of just washes over you.Could say the same for Star Trek the Motion Picture. Great effects, generally too weird and autistic for normies.
>>719450914>characters or the themesAre you saying Star Wars had good characters? Lmao, it's got some of the most wooden dialog and characterization of any popular movieBlockbuster movies exist for special effects, excitement and shallow emotional catharsisThis is Star Wars and Marvel moviesNobody cares about the themes, a lot of the time they don't even know what's happening in the story
>>719441072>Sigint, have you tried it yourself>tried what?>painting your face black at night, to see if you are any harder to see
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>>719450914TMP is my favorite Trek movie, honestly.
>>719425643fpbp
>>719451016>Are you saying Star Wars had good characters?Not that anon but yes, some of the most popular characters ever were good characters, retard
>>719451196No they weren't good characters, they were incredibly shallow characters
>>719451016YES, as I have been saying the simplicity of Star Wars is a feature, not a flaw.It's a stupidly simple tale about characters who you like who are good, triumphing over characters who are scary and evil, and tackling their own inner demons in the process. It's not supposed to be saying things about real politics or the moral complexities of war. The bad guys wear black and look really blatantly evil. That's all baked into the dough. It's intentional.
>>719451104I like it too, but it's a film for weirdos. It's weirdly dry and anti-social.
>>719450526Cute mulatto chicks are allowed and embraced you fucking racist nigger.
>>719450762>2001 is not an action movie, it didn't have exciting battle scenesThis is a goal post shiftThere are tons of amazing action movies that also have good effects and stunts, and they are just the popcorn entertainment of that year and they don't have any cultural penetration at all
>>719451269>characters who you like>tackling their own inner demonsHave you even seen Star Wars?
Well, no one has ever accused normalfags of having taste or capable of good judgement, so there's that.
>>719451262Yes R2D2 is a shallow character but he's also one of the best characters everSo are George and Kramer from Seinfeld. You're an idiot that has formed a very simple and poorly thought out definition of what a good character is because it doesn't satisfy your intellectual prowess
>>719451363>Luke is challenged to turn the the dark side and resists>Han Solo becomes a better person through his adventures with Luke>even Vader at the end realises the error of his own ways due to the love of his own sonHave you seen Star Wars?
>>719451453Star Wars has some of the most lackluster character drama of any blockbuster movieOutside of darth vader actually being luke's father, nobody cared
>>719451262You know real people are deep, with real lives and experiences that are decades long and you can just dive into them forever compared to fictional character that is just a collection of notes. Most people aren't good characters
>>719451546You keep saying that, and yet you don't give a shit about Waterworld.The effects were good, the action was good. Why didn't Waterworld resonate?
>>719451578Sure but what does that have to do with Star Wars having shit characters
>>719451608>The effects were good, the action was goodThat's not true though, Star Wars was mindblowing when it came out, Waterworld was not
>>719451578Not every fictional character is meant to be a real person.Do you want Bugs Bunny to be a real person?
>>719451621deep =/= goodYou should make indie game with a self insert main character that everyone hates by the way, you'd be good at it
>>719451698They're neither deep or good
>>719451672read my post in its context again
>>719451651Do you think maybe we over rate how mind blowing the effects in Star Wars were?2001 is a movie from the 60's, which if anything looks better. Silent Running is a few years older than SW, and looks about as good.What SW had was emotion. You can thrash your limbs about like a petulant child, but I'm right.
>>719451804No I think you're a poor judge of how impressive special effects are 2001 did not have epic spaceship battles
>>719451728I dont like it =/= badIn fact something about this thread OP enticed a lot of posters with this personality tonight. I guess you saw "Is this the key to being a good conversationalist?" and thought he must be talking about you.
>>719451873Star Wars has objectively bad characterization
>>719451863A battle is a story telling element, not just a special effect. What really were the "battles" in the original SW? Some model ships zipping around, with lasers painted into the frame. Was it that impressive?A lot of that movie is either people in a desert, or people in a corridor, also. Is that more impressive than Kurasawa's historical epics, or Ben Hurr, where they had actual guys riding around on horseback, and doing mad dangerous shit?
>>719425643first poost best poost
Who made up this meme that star was had good effects AND good actionGo watch that movie again. The action is painted lasers and plastic toys blowing up. The lightsaber fight, two faggots with their dicks out have better speed and choreography than that. Star wars is not an action movie. It's not like it never got good, battle of hoth and the rancor were good action pieces brought to life with special effects, but definitely not 77.
>>719452137>Was it that impressive?at the time yeahthe fight in the desert with the sarlac pit was interesting too, it's a big alien monster in the groundthat is more interesting to a regular person than people riding around on horseback, something people have seen a million times before
>>719451938Yes an opinion that not only is objective somehow but you hold as a minority
>>719452281That's Return of the Jedi, not Star Wars.
>>719452327So? Have you been diagnosed with autism?
>>719452281Of all the cool shit in the movies a phoned in battle scene where people fall on an air bag is your hill? It's not ewoks I guess
>>719452450I do not personally like Star Wars, I'm just saying why people do like itThey're old fucking movies, what was impressive then is boring now
>>719425643I laughed
>>719452479Yeah and we point to numerous other examples of these "things" in other movies, those movies didn't take over the world and become cultural paragons. And instead of rethinking anything you just repeat the same mistake over and over. Yeah, people hadn't seen a sarlaac sand monster before. Do you have any idea how much failed sci fi and fantasy movies there are. Are you underage? I don't know if I should ask anymore. There's probably plenty of 20+ year olds that are just as illiterate about old movies. Just stop being so confident about it.
>>719452808Were there any big budget sci-fi blockbusters before Star Wars?
>>719452856https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_science_fiction_films_of_the_1950shttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_science_fiction_films_of_the_1960shttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_science_fiction_films_of_the_1970s
>>719452994I said "big budget sci-fi blockbusters"That doesn't mean any sci-fi movieLike you mentioned 2001, you have to be really autistic to think that compares to Star Wars in any way
>>719425560If you ever played Shenmue youd know thats just how japs talk
>>719453050>Will be you be my personal chatgpt?No go to the websiteI didn't mention 2001. I think it doesn't compare to star wars because it's not a fun movie. But if I reduced star wars to special effects or fantastic concepts as being the only reason it was successful It would be hard to explain why 2001 wasn't. And if I said star wars was fun because it had fantastic concept action scenes when there's plenty of movies with fantastic concept actions scenes that no one gives a shit about you're also neck high in the same shit. We've been at this for too long, enjoy the MGS snake thread I guess.
>>719453272>But if I reduced star wars to special effects or fantastic concepts as being the only reason it was successful It would be hard to explain why 2001 wasn't.No it wouldn't2001 is a slow, brooding movie where nothing much happensStar Wars is full of laser sword fights and spaceship battlesThat's the differenceAFAIK there were not sci-fi epic movies before Star Wars
>>719449913None of what you said has disproved my point. Hayter’s voice is what people think of when they think of Snake. It’s an objectively iconic performance
>>719453365not that anon what is your opinion on toy story
>>719453135https://youtube.com/watch?v=pk_lnerAS3w
>>719453508It's a movie
>>719452370If you want to talk about why people were initially drawn to Star Wars, it wasn't the third film.
>>719452856Planet of the Apes was the big franchise before Star Wars. They made like six movies, a TV show, a cartoon, comics, etc.
>>719453951You went from being really good to explaining things to having nothing to say
>>719454264all of them have the same appeal
>>719454525What do you want me to say about Toy Story?
>>719454546Star Wars was huge immediately, and if anything the popularity trailed off slightly with the following movies.
>>719454575why people like it, I can't figure it out
>>719454608it's good, and it's got them funny mans in it.
>>719454601well yeah what's your point
>>719454701no it was the first feature length computer generated film and people had never seen anything like it before
>>719428947Dracula?
>>719446950>I could care less
>>719434692>What does your dialogue choice look like when it comes to empty conversations, /v/?I just laught in response to everything, like>haha
>>719454742Return of the Jedi is the third movie.
In all honesty, this doesn't look too much worse than the original SW, in the effects department.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Qkz__vxYKA
>>719454975Have you been diagnosed with autism?
>>719425560Unironically this works, because in Psychology it's called "active listening".You have to understand that conversation is more about how you make others feel rather than what you're doing. People love to talk about themselves. If you reinforce the idea in others that you want to hear more about what they're about, they will let go easily.
>>719455183You can't cite the third movie as an example of why people like SW in the first place, being as SW was hugely popular immediately in 77. I don't know what you don't understand.
>>719425560He does come off as an actual high functioning autistic person when he does this, I also know an autist irl who sometimes repeats the last word on his sentences, it's very odd.
>>719425643I'm drunk and this made me chuckle heartily 11/10 good job First Post
>>719455607that's called echolalia. It's a whole thing.
>>719455712Is that a sign of autism or just brain damage? I'm genuinely curious because it bothers me a bit.
>>719425643SNAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAKE
>>719455778it can be
>>719425643nice
>>719455712echolalia?
>>719455510I cited something that happened in the third movie, there's other things in the other movies that people like aswellGod you're insufferable
>>719452370Autism?
>>719434692I just do my best impression of John Dalton's "Damn".
