I want to play a game that gives you very little instructions. Instead, it just drops you in the game world and lets you figure everything out on your own. I've already played Outer Wilds, is there anything else similar? No soulslikes please.
>>719431484discovery games?you got a few, Obra Dinn, Tunic, La Mulana
Etrian Odyssey
>>719431484>Obra Dinndoes this EVER go on sale?
>>719431484Go play myst or realmyst
If only we could drop the royal you, our world would grow more peaceful. Write I instead. Defaulting to You is a terrible habit. It's even more important to default to I in real life.
>>719431484Tunic and Epigraph.
>>719431484Exanima
>>719431484most metroidvania games are like that
>>719431484Metroid Prime is very similar. Also Morrowind and DOS2.
>>719431484Chants of Sennaar maybe? It's somewhat linear and hand-holdy but it opens up after second section
>>719431484System Shock 2. There's even a HD version now.
>>719434428I liked Chants, but the end was very mixed. rushing through the last floor was disappointing and I wish there were more actual intercultural interactions to navigate
>>719431484Play tunic!
>>719432051Used to
>>719431484yes there are games that don't handhold you but i know you're looking for something that will scratch that exact outer wilds itchsorry but there NOTHING like it, trust me i've tried all the fucking recs people give in these threads>>719432051steamdb exists anon
>>719431484Hyper Light Drifter is peak that
>>719431484Sunless Sea and Cultist Simulator
>>719431484Super Mario Bros
>>719432678If only we could cure autism
>>719431484NetHack
>>719431484Void stranger
>>719437415>Cultist SimulatorHonestly one of worst games I have played in my life and I'm including free flash games from 20 years ago hereThe writing and lore are cool but the gameplay is a really bad idle game with irritating UI and absolutely error allowance before you die and have to restart the two hours long run and there isn't even a speedup option
>>719431484Riven
>>719431484Tunic
>>719440335I got filtered by Riven, I should give it another go some day.
>>719434410>DOS2What is this?
>>719432678We refuse.
>>719443073Probably Divinity Original Sin 2
>>719436794>4 hour gamebuy it on sale
>>719431623this is the post.
kenshi
>>719431623>>719432845>>719434604>>719440910>tunic looks like furry shit
>>719431484the outerwilds tutorial is way too long and full of reading imo. the game was made significantly better by the voice acting mod
>>719444567Good news
>>719444798its slopware, dont bother.myst is the answer youre looking for
>>719431484There's something in here for you.Personally I'd say La-Mulana. Just make sure you write everything down.2 is better than 1 but the context 1 provides helps make 2 understandable
>>719431484https://www.smwcentral.net/?p=section&a=details&id=38068
>>719431484Hollow Kn>No soulslikes pleasenevermind
>>719445172>The OutsiderPretty good outside of the kinda cringe donut OC story>Astral CodecKino>The Stranger They AreMostly decent but I haven't finished yet>Forgotten CastawaysNever heard of it, is it good?
>>719437415I liked Sunless Sea but it makes very little sense unless you played Fallen London.
>>719431484>Games similar to thisObra Dinn, Tunic, Noita, Rain world, Hypnospace, maybe The Witness but didnt play it much, it felt like that type of game tho.>Games that give you a sizeable info dump at the beginning but are similar in spirit after that.Darkwood, Morrowind, Fear and Hunger 1 and 2, Pathologic 1 and 2. I know you said no soulslikes but Hollow knight fits what you are looking for and is as much of a soulslike as DOOM is a plataformer.>GameslikeOuterWilds-like that arent technically on the same vein but give you a similar feeling of discovery.Bioshock, Lobotomy Corporation, First 2 RE games, STALKER, Prey, Unironically Minecraft.
>>719445172>blue PrinceRoguelike slop. Don't play it
la-mulana
>>719445172What's that game where you play as a radio host in a small town being terrorized by a serial killer or something?
>>719431484supposedly Hell Is Us is like that but they stapled dogshit souls-like combat onto it
>>719439641Alexis Kennedy has a special knack for making you as miserable as possible for wanting to experience the generally pretty good writing of his games.I suspect he hates video games and hates everyone who plays them.
>>719446930https://store.steampowered.com/app/1903620/Killer_Frequency/
>>719447205that's the one, thank you.
>>719446167Very good post here
>>719431484Zelda 1, Zelda 2, uh... Breath of the Wild, I guess.
>>719434604Tunic is dogshit. Most games suggested in this "genre" suck.
Nobody said Kenshi yet?
>>719431484Book of Hours. The soundtrack isn't on par with Outer Wilds, but it's up there.>>719439641>>719447148I can't tell if Cultist Simulator is a bad idea with good execution or a bad idea with good execution. The invisible RNG and capped odds of success, the card draws that might as well be a slot machine for hour much control you have over them, the amount of grinding required, and the absolute disrespect for you time make it a painful slog to get through. The writing and world are interesting, but there's no reason to play it without abusing the developer console unless you want to assemble a list of things not to do when designing a game.And then the guy went on and made a TTRPG, The Lady Afterwards, and it ended up essentially being a multiplayer choose your own adventure book instead of an actual adventure module. It's like the guy desperately wants to write a book but is instead using literally any other form of media.
>>719451709>Book of Hoursnever heard of it.
I wish I could play book of hours my game is bugged to where it gets really choppy and my keyboard doesn't work aside from the windows key.
>>719432174This, and Riven.
>>719431484Pre world monster hunter does very little handholding except for maybe 4u
There's a few coming uphttps://store.steampowered.com/app/3521490/Mystery_of_the_Malign/https://store.steampowered.com/app/2885870/Strange_Antiquities/
>>719431484WarbandKenshiWay of the samurai
>>719445172Blue Shit doesn't belong here
>>719431484Animal Well
>>719445172>>719454538Can someone explain to me why Blue prince even gets spammed as a puzzle game in the first place? It's a game that's almost designed to repel puzzle fans. Who the fuck are the mentally ill zombies in these threads and communities that the game actually appeals to? It's not a puzzle game so stop posting it in these communities. It's a game made for roguelite fags and gambling addicts. No self-respecting puzzle fan wants that shit
>>719454971filtered, it has plenty of amazing puzzles and learning how to manipulate the rng is also a puzzle
>>719454971>Can someone explain to me why Blue prince even gets spammed as a puzzle game in the first place?...because it's a puzzle game?I'm not going to stop you if you have the specific brand of autism that makes you melt down whenever you see a pair of dice, but just because you only get half the crossword clues every run does not mean the crossword isn't a puzzle.
>>719431484Deus Ex.
>>719455060>>719455124you ruined the genre. The entire games market is heading towards the rogueslop singularity right now and if you have no problem with that then you are the enemy and must be exterminated.
REmake
>>719454971Blue Prince gets a lot of attention purely because it was the darling of all the journos so it got a lot of promotion at the start so a lot of people got FOMOd into playing it. Then a huge chunk of those people got Stockholm syndrome because of their sunk cost playing it for over 30 hours and basically getting nowhere
>>719455234>ruined the genreit's one game, calm your autism
>>719455391For a supposed "puzzle game" fan you really lack pattern recognition or foresight
>>719455361>Blue Prince gets a lot of attention purely because it was the darling of all the journos so it got a lot of promotion at the start so a lot of people got FOMOd into playing it.This is true, but let me correct your next sentence:>Normally puzzle games only attract the right sort of autist, but this bypassed that filter and got a bunch of regular people playing it, forcing them into using their brains for the first time in years.>They're still seething about it to this day.
>>719454971>Can someone explain to me why Blue prince even gets spammed as a puzzle game in the first place?just because it's all obscured beneath the awful RNG slog doesn't mean it's not a puzzle game lil bro
>>719431484Riven remake
>>719431484Morrowind is a must if you haven't already.
>>7194556259/10 remake IMO. I like that they changed juuust enough that you can recommend both the original and the remake to people.
>>719431484you're welcome to try
>>719431484If you're looking for an RPG Outward will very much scratch that itch. You're dropped into a town, given 1 objective that if you ignore you will be punished for, and just do whatever. No big ass quest markers, no minimap, no build suggestor or info on where important NPCs are beyond talking with people.
>>719455559The casualization of gaming has been nothing short of a disaster. At least puzzle games were safe for the longest time. We don't need more normies in the niche because bigger studios are going to start diluting the genre for profits like they destroyed every other genre
>>719455625>>719455698garbage remake, anyone who defends it is braindead
>>719454078Cultist Sim but without the BS timers, grinding, and having to restart because of bad RNG.
>>719454971Because it's recent, and most zoomers have an attention span of about 5 minutes so they can only remember the last "puzzle" game they played.The people who post it are the kind of morons who really enjoyed Animal Well (after they checked the wiki, of course).
>No soulslikes please.you are trans
>>719455928>really enjoyed Animal Well (after they checked the wiki, of course).i really enjoyed getting the first ending and there was no reason to use the wiki, it was short and sweet unlike the RNG prince which i couldn't even bother finishing
>>719456112I'm sorry, I consider people who liked AW to be in the same category of retard as people who liked BP. Play a real puzzle game for once in your fucking life.
>>719455928based
>>719456268i have, animal well is still greatstay mad
>>719456427Go on, name 5 good puzzle games.
>>719456454nope, keep seething, it's more fun that way
>>719456475Getting some heavy boss baby vibes from this post...
>>719455361I was one of the haters too, but I eventually broke down and bought it because I am in constant withdrawal for Myst/Riven like games. Nowhere near as bad I expected, but the RNG can definitely be a dick. I read somewhere that the game purposefully makes the first 14 in-game days harder on purpose for some reason. Anyway it definitely satiated my Mystlike hunger for the time being.What I didn't like:- Again, the RNG can be a dick at times.- There's no cutscene for the end of the third act- THEM LOCKING THE BLUE TENTS MEMOS BEHIND A PREREQUISITE OF EIGHT FUCKING TROPHIES IN ADDITION TO COSTING 400 GODDAMN COINS. BY THE TIME YOU CAN FINALLY GET IT, MOST OF THE CLUES IT PROVIDES FOR ACT 2 YOU'VE ALREADY INADVERTENTLY FIGURED OUT THROUGH CHANCE, GUESSING OR BRUTE FORCE (I'M LOOKING AT YOU, GODDAMN REALM SIGILS). THAT'S JUST BAD GAME DESIGN AND RUINS THE FLOW OF THE GAME, CUT THE PRICE BY HALF AND THE TROPHY REQUIREMENT TO 2 OR 3 FOR FUCK'S SAKE REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE 8.75 out of 10, I enjoyed my stay.
>>719445172>tfw the Hypnospace Outlaw sequel got cannedIt's not fucking fair bros. There's nothing else like it.
>>719456602>531.5 hoursI know we got a lot of mentally ill people here but holy fuck this is a new low
>>719456602>531 hoursthis game's fans are all mentally ill
>>719456602I put 20 hours into the game while cheating my ass off to reduce the pointless RNG, and I cannot imagine what it'd be like to put 500 hours into this turd and realise that all of the puzzles at the end are fake and go nowhere. You weren't annoyed by the arrows, the encoded tile patterns, the boiler room and pool, or 50 other clues that went absolutely nowhere because the game was unfinished? You were satisfied by the blue atelier?The game is a 4/10 before the sigils, 7/10 when there's still puzzles to solve, and then a 2/10 when you realise most of them go absolutely nowhere.
RNG is antithetical to puzzle game design. Puzzle fans play puzzle games because they want to feel like their intelligence controls the flow of the game and their progress. Once you gate that behind arbitrary number generation you have created something that is the opposite of a puzzle game
>>719456602these are the masochists recommending you this pile of shit btw
>>719456839whether this is true or not, it's very possible to have RNG and provide a way around it to figure out, undermining your whole point.
>>719444798If someone played tunic hoping for furbait they'd end up being dissapointed
>>719456602wewI personally called it quits after the eight doors and was happy with what I got. 8.5, similar score to you.Surprised you didn't get angrier at the RNG, I noticed it got more obnoxious by the end when the number of threads to tug narrowed down. Suffering that for 460 more hours sounds miserable.
>>719431484Cultist SimulatorBook of HoursTalos PrincipleMystRiven
>>719456602Well it all makes sense, you're the exact audience this game was intended for. Dripfeed shit and lock it behind RNG so retards can say it's a huge game with gorillions of hours of content
>>719456650>>tfw the Hypnospace Outlaw sequel got cannedHuh? Even the Steam page is still up>it's actually trueFuck
>>719439641Skill issue>>719447148Good. Video games ARE terrible. >>719451709Skill issue. It takes me less than an hour to finish the game. The most annoying thing is the secret history fragment grind in the end, it's true; but I see no other way to do it.
>>719456675>>719456689>>719456826>>719456901>>719457139>>719457167To be fair, I did have a habit of leaving the game on while I was at work, but you're not wrong. I will suffer through anything as long as it has enough of that Myst/Riven feel.
Which version of Myst do you guys recommend?
>>719457275Forgot to add that Tony Hawk's Underground is my favorite Myst-like btw
>>719457324No reason to play anything besides the latest one, the differences are boomer nitpick tier. If you become a fan you can try the other versions
>>7194573242D versions: Myst Masterpiece Edition3D versions: I only ever played the original realMyst, so that I guess if you can get it working, though I heard the realMyst remakes are okay too.. The 2020s myst remake was kinda ass at first especially with the character models, but I heard they revamped them so I'm guessing they're at least marginally better now.>>719457340Oh you. I do wish the puzzles to get back the McTwist tape made more use of the in-game constructed language and numbering system though.
>>719431484I suppose you want "exploration + story + gimmicky gameplay"Thought I had saved a suggestion list, but you can always try to google some of the stuff written on this shill pic.>AntichamberVery conceptual>STRAYI've seen British secret agent have less dangerous adventures than this cat>SubnauticaJust play without food simulation it get tedious, also set yourself an objective to collect one of every fish>The Talos principleMore of a series of enigma games, but with deep themesVery short:>INSIDEJust a linear adventure, not an open world>FAR:changing tideSame as above, Technically you should play "Lone Sail" first, they are linked, but it's less fun.>VaneHonestly it's only atmospheric, not much more>CopokaPosting another birg game I guessI've heard good from>Infra>Rimebut nver played them
>>719457324ignore the shitter advice and play the OG with dosbox.Even ignoring purely aesthetic reasons, there's puzzles that have been objectively broken in every subsequent version. The 3D games in particular miss the point of the way adventure games draw a player's eye to points of interest.
>>719457769myst isn't even a dos game
>>719444859myst is pretty terrible if you've already played games like that. i'm sure it's great if it's the first game you ever played in your life.
>>719457979ScummVM then.https://archive.org/details/myst-original-1993
>>719457769Nigger you know that the digital versions of the OG game have ScummVM bundled in, right? No need to bother with emulation or virtual machines and installing quicktime.
>>719445172Chants of Sennaar is pretty terrible. Never "takes off" like these games should after the first several puzzles/levels, where the normies have gotten bored and left.>>719446210Nope. It belongs on the list.
>>719445172>Outer Wilds>Rain World>The WitnessCan't decide which is the better game. It's The Witness, obviously, but for the sake of argument, I can't decide.
>Mystniggers overtaking the threadLook I know it was a breakthrough at the time because it was literally THE babby's first puzzle gameBut yeah it's absolutely nothing special these daysI got memed by all these threads into trying it out and came out very disappointed. Puzzles were incredibly easy, couldn't care less about the world and story, some silly esoteric shit. And it's quite short too.>>719457324I recommend playing anything else
>>719458474Literally every Myst fan worth their salt knows that Riven absolutely mogs Myst.
>>719458474It wasn't "baby's first" anything, it was the highest selling piece of software of all time. It dwarfs Fortnite when adjusted ffs.
>>719458409Void Stranger is better than all 3, so why would it matter?
>>719439641I think it was kind of neat at first, trying to figure out which combination of cards lets you progress. But then you get to the third mark and the rest of the game just feels like doing the same thing over and over again and doesn't really have any of that feeling of figuring things out and experimenting until right to the end.
Romancing SaGa: Minstrel Song.
>>719458639it might be if sokoban wasn't dogshit
>>719458639Sure, dude, whatever you say.
>>719431623tunic is fucking garbage, barely functional combat
>>719458624>It wasn't "baby's first" anything, it was the highest selling piece of software of all timeCongrats, you proved him exactly right
>>719458939every time someone on v shits on a game, it's just because they are shit at the gamelol
It's not that great compared to uppdohg
>>719459096this isn't 9gag lil bro
>>719459096don't you mean niggnog?
>>719431484Just play NES games. Back in the day you weren't even shown the controls scheme, let alone a tutorial. You just tried pressing all the buttons and figure out what they do.
>>719459140That's what the manual is for.
>>719459121/vee/ is worse indeed >recycling the same threads for a decade>not even fun and all you do is interact with shills or depressed incelChudsAt least you get a chuckle out from visiting 9gag
>>719445172Wait, Outer Wilds has mods?Also>Chroma ZeroAbsolutely kino game. Loved the use of music in that especially during the second gohttps://youtu.be/jDFNiaR8Cmk
Search your heart, you know it to be true.>but guidesthen don't use them bitch boy. Runescape without guides is genuinely one of the most fun experiences I've been having this past month, when I'm not grinding levels.
>>719459206The Chinese pirate cartridges didn't come with a manual, or even a box.
>>719457232It's even better when you find out that they hadn't even really started making the game and he spent all the money remaking fucking Excel.
>>719459238Maybe you should go back there.
>>719439641Same here, love the writing & love the idea of a cultist simulator ( and have yet to see a good one ).The game just feels tedious after a while.This game is in the same category as Caves of Qud where I'd much rather the author just wrote a book instead.
>>719444834>voice acting fag
>>719459827Misplaced elitism ain't changing anything about 4chins being less than a shadow of its former self newfagfaggot niggerpoop.
>>719460197reading is for trannies and homos
>>719460673Zoomers are truly a dead-end generation.
>>719444834>it's too long and full of readingIt's like 20 minutes long and every character has like 3 lines. You've done more reading in this thread, presumably. The fuck.My problem with the tutorial is that the one part that matters - flying a space ship - they suck at teaching you. Spend more time teaching you how to repair the thing, something you never do.
>>719460697I'm not a zoom zoom you queer>>719460764it's a pretty long tutorial compared to how long the normal cycles are. I'm pretty sure it's longer than the 22 min cycle if you do everything and talk to everyone and read everything
>>719444834>>719460673>>719460890braindead zoomer homofaggot
>>719461025nah, that's you, you broccoli haired tranny
>>719431484the witness
Is this the thread?
mystbros i started playing your game and i was completely lost... do i have to read the books because they are extremely long?
>>719431484Black Souls 2
>>719431484In terms of "zero guidance" games, Cultist Simulator is on the extreme end of just dropping you into the game and telling you absolutely nothing.It's a game I have a lot of respect for, but I've never been able to find it fun.
>>719445172>Riven: masterpiece but extremely difficult>Rain World: this just didn't click with me, I didn't like the gameplay style>The Witness: great>Obra Dinn: great
>>719458639I love doing 300 block pushing puzzles three times to see about 20 minutes of cool shit
>>719431484Infra
>>719462904>do i have to read the books because they are extremely long?No, it's just lore, and Myst lore is stupid. It's not like Riven where you kinda need them.You do need the pics out of one of them for one of the puzzles on the first island. Most of them are just solved by getting the answer from the big dumb puzzle tower and then the Age specific puzzles just solve themselves, really.
>>719454441no button prompt bullshitno scoutflies showing you where the monster isno homo tutorial no talk n walk cutscene shitfuck, theres even key quests to progress and the game doesn't tell you which ones are necessaryTRULY KINO
I always thought Tunic was just a Zelda clone
>>719431484Kenshi
>>719463987Its main gimmick is you find parts of the game's manual that teaches you mechanics, how to read the language, what certain button combinations do, etcIt's pretty neat but bogged down by the controls and combat being complete unfun dog ass
>>719463987It unfortunately is a pretty shitty Zelda clone. Also ugly with shitty art direction. Lame sound too.But the "read the fucking manual" design was neat.
>>719457324>Which version of Myst do you guys recommend?The 2021 full-3D remake with modern controls. Design and atmosphere improvements all the way around. People who recommend the 1993 original over the remake are simply not being honest.
>>719463676thanks so i could beat myst if i were illiterate right?
>>719431484The entire Hitman series. >>719432051Just buy it full price. It's one dude with a wife and kids who made it by himself.
>>719464925soulless vs soul
>>719431484Tunic. Ignore the brainlets ITT. You have to think real hard about the puzzles but the payoff is excellent. I really enjoyed my time with it.
>>719431484Shadow of the Colossus pretty much just throws you into the world with almost zero explanation.
>>719465396Only play the PS4 version
>>719465396Only play the PS2 version
>>719464932Yeah, probably, IIRC, there might be an entry somewhere that's a clue about a hidden switch but it's like 99% lore. You'll probably get the bad ending but whatever. The same is not true of Riven, that is a definitive "write shit down and read everything twice" puzzle game.
>>719464925I played realMyst first then the original and honestly full 3D movement doesn't add anything to it. I'd recommend realMyst just because full movement is an easier sell over slideshow simulators, but for replays I just play the original.But this remake, holy hell that's some junky dogshit Unreal Engine art design, that's an impressively bad opinion, even by namefag standards.
>>719458919>reductionism and half-truthsplay the game
>>719465339Tunic is shit. There are basically no puzzles until the last 10% of the game, and 95% of those puzzles are completely trivial with the remaining 5% expecting you to think outside the box despite everything else in the game being very firmly inside the box. The big issue is there's no pay-off for it. You solve the golden path, so what?
>>719465625You're a massive disingenuous retard who never played the game. Ignored, discarded, and hidden.
>>719465619He's the guy that got filtered after the first 200 puzzles after he died, looked up some crap spoilers to convince himself the game wasn't worth playing, and just cries about it every time it comes up because he doesn't understand why a game would punish you for being stupid by making you re-solve something that takes a couple of minutes.
I am also requesting a list of good, high quality, big brain high IQ gamesI think I have dulled my mind playing arcadeslop
>>719465418this.
>>719431484>it just drops you in the game world and lets you figure everything out on your own.Play PEAKInstructions are minimally delivered in-game for the most basics similar to how Outer Wilds teaches you about Quantum and Anti-grav mechanics in the Observatory, everything else you need to figure out yourself
>>719465726KekEssayfag? Or a new schizo
>>719465728Noita
>>719465694I played and beat the game, but I did look up a couple of the golden path page solutions because I was getting pretty bored with the game by then and I didn't want to keep playing if it expected me to do shit like work out the language.The gameplay was boring and filled with backtracking, and all the puzzles were at the end of the game. It was just kind of lame.
>>719465728If you have such a high IQ, try and get the "High" achievement in Supraworld since they fixed the fan glitch. I wouldn't say its on par with Outer Wilds, but it is in early access and has some great potential.
>>719465876So you cheated. Sasuga retard.
>>719463987not really. it's inspired by the feeling of playing Zelda for the first time as a child, but it takes things further in that direction, with a ton of secrets, things to discover etc.
>>719465908>achievementfags
>>719465973Its actually a puzzle thats solvable in act 1, but no one can figure it out
>tfw filtered by outer wildscan I really call myself a gamer....probably just a poser....
>Bro you have to check out this Metroidbrainia it's so good it's so smart>Check it out>It's ARG bullshit that requires you to know about a cypher code you translate from the flickers of a background lamp that gives you an URL to...Leave me alone.
>>719466838Why do you hate fun?
>>719455703outward is fun, but i found that once i figured out spear poking things i had nothing to do.
>>719465908i 100%'d supraland, its DLC and dick inches under, and enjoyed it, but theres no fucking way im paying over $40 for ANOTHER of the same game when i paid less than that for all 3 of the previous parts combined.
>>719466441even my woman beat it , try again
>>719465339Loved this game too, wish it had more boss fights though.
How do you respond without holding T?
>>719468487time limit is too fucking strict, no time to think, no thanks.
>>719445172>the second rise of the gold idol dlc released last monthoh shit, completely missed that one
>>719469491What is this?
>>719469674>secondthird>>719469901Chroma Zero
>>719451709Considering the topics he likes to write about I'd say he's in the correct medium. Uncovering fragments of knowledge which might explain a greater reality or might just be some schizo's ranting works a lot better if you're the one doing it rather than reading about it.As shit as Cultist Simulator can be to play sometimes. Trying to explain to someone what you're currently doing in the game and what you're trying to achieve makes you sound like an actual cultist.
>>719431484I would recommend The Witness if its creator wasnt such an egotistical pseudointellectual faggot
>>719470141John Blowhard being annoyed at The Looker is so in-character for him, it's hilarious
>>719470141>if its creator wasnt such an egotistical pseudointellectual faggotWhy does it matter?
>>719454441pre world MH games especially the ones on PSP had such a vibei miss those times
>>719470225>Why does it matter?It matters because you shouldn't play games made by faggots, unless you are, of course, a faggot.
>>719470225Because you can tell it while playing the game
>>719470314But what if the game is good despite the creator being a faggot?
>>719431484Castlevania harmony of dissonance did this more than any other metroidvania in the franchise I feel. Axiom verge too for another metroidvania that literally plops you down and says go
>>719445172Is lorelei any good?
>>719470365>But what if the game is good despite the creator being a faggot?None exist.
>>719470364Only if you listen to the audio logs scattered around the island, which I would recommend against.>>719470556I disagree. Ultrakill is great.
>>719431484Pathologic 2 kinda>>719431623Some anon mentioned a [spoiler[Kraken attack[/spoiler] in Obra Dinn. Did they ruin the game for me or should I still check it out?
I'm literally too stupid for these games but have always respected them.
>>719470672Ah shit, I'm retarded
>>719470672Use CTRL+S and no that happens relatively early on the game. It does spoil the fact that things of that nature exist and the surprise was cool.
>>719470604>I disagree. Ultrakill is great.That guy gets a pass.Also iirc he's just bisexual, not completely a faggot.
Book of Hours bros do I always need to be getting friends at the pub to do stuff? I just wanted to hang out in my library reading but I need to hire fucking mercenaries every day to unlock anything.
>>719470874Been a while since I played it, but don't you literally need to use people to uncover parts of the library? Unless you mean hiring the villagers instead of mercenaries, which might work for a bit, but they do give fewer bonuses afaik.
>>719470672You can get to it in like 20 minutes of starting the game and is arguably the end of tutorial
>>719470535I found that most of the puzzles were actually just math shit and drawing mazes. They felt very separate from the world itself (unlike say, Outer Wilds where the world IS the puzzle.) It still did have some neat stuff and nice vibes.
>>719469936>thirdoh shit, even better
>>719471029Aw man it just aggravates my autism I wanted to be a reclusive book hermit not a fucking middle manager hiring wageslaves to do my work for me.
>>719431484The Witnessbounced off that game twice but the third time I almost made it to the end before I got filtered because of low iq. very good game.
>>719471408You are a reclusive book hermit anon. You just need the wageslaves to uncover more books and more shelves to put book in.
>>719445172Rain World (base game, survivalist only) is a 10/10Riven is an 8/10The Witness is an 8/10Void Stranger is a 5/10Tunic is a 3/10Obra Dinn is a 10/10Blue Prince is a 4/10Fez is a 6/10Animal Well is an 8/10, but only if you stop after getting all the eggs.In general "metroidbrania" (Fez, Animal Well, Void Stranger, Tunic) are incredibly terrible games that are willing to completely destroy their worlds in the pursuit of retarded meta puzzles that most often are not actually interesting in any way, they always just devolve into looking at some glyph on a wall, and then going to another part of the map and performing an input there.
>>719472047>Rain World (base game, survivalist only) is a 10/10Retard alert. Opinion discarded.
>>719457264Dumb tranny
>>719472803Rain World is perfect thoughever
>>719472047>they always just devolve into looking at some glyph on a wall, and then going to another part of the map and performing an input there.yeskino
>>719472047void stranger is 10/10 though
>>719469663>time limityou have all the time in the world lamo
>>719432174myst/riven are honestly bad. They are only popular because it was a first big CD-ROM game which had cool looking prerendered graphics. But the puzzles themselves are either braindead or so stupidly obtuse to make you angry.
>>719457324the VR one
>>719475556This, haven't even played them and even I know they're bad
Yume Nikki
>>719472047People conflating metroidbrainias(what a terrible name) with ARGs is going to be the death kneel of this nascent genre
>>719465619Void Strangers IS a great game, not better than Outer Wilds though, but it IS also yurishit.
>>719469663People this retarded shouldn't be allowed to use computers
>>719431484Void Stranger, just be careful at looking at reviews and shit because people love spoiling shit and spoilers ruin everything. What did I just say you dumb fuck, don't go looking for spoiler.
>>719476085OW is too simple in terms of puzzles. The world is neat, but the payoff is lame and you barely have to think, even the final puzzle is kind of shit. VS expects you to actually use your brain to solve the puzzles without devolving into mind numbing tedium like deciphering morse code hidden on tile edges, or messing with the game files for meta masturbation purposes.
>>719431484Tunic, Obra Dinn, The Forgotten City
>>719431484Rainworld
>>719476267no, you just have to deal with hundreds of levels of mind numbing tedium that is sokoban
>>719476642Maybe 20 of those levels could arguably be called sokoban because they expect you to push blocks. Anyone who thinks VS is a sokoban just hasn't played the game.
>>719459316Yeah. The mods are pretty good. Astral Codec was a pretty neat use of every neat fact that the Outer Wilds devs have said in their interviews
>>719476267Outer Wilds isn't really a puzzle game to begin with. It's more of an adventure game, since nearly all "puzzles" have an answer for you to find elsewhere.
>>719476752I can only do so many levels of "you can only walk on tiles once" or "predict the enemies movement!" before I just turn the game off man, youre right that it isnt pure "block pushing" its still tedious as fuck
>>719476821Sure, I can agree with that. But I grew up with adventure games that expected you to occasionally solve puzzles like old Lucasarts point and click games, so I found OW wanting. I wanted the game to test my knowledge of the systems more, instead of being a general breeze with some nice atmosphere.>>719476957Just think through your moves before you make them. Sokoban is complex because you have to work back from the end and work out which order to push every block in, VS is very easy because there's only one block to move, the player, and only one place it needs to go, the exit. Enemy movement is generally extremely simple, if you played something like Bunburrows or Leaf's Odyssey your mind would break.
>>719477150I never said it was hard, the game's easy as shit, which just adds to the tedium.
>>719458242>Chants of Sennaar is pretty terrible. Never "takes off" like these games should after the first several puzzles/levels, where the normies have gotten bored and left.Truth.It feels too by the book. If you try to reverse engineer the puzzles you really appreciate how fucking lazy the devs were with that game. It's point and click slop that passes for a neat tech demo, with a tacked on metaphor to make it seem deeper that it really is.
>>719477225My man, you didn't even make it past the tutorial of the game.
>>719477515Uh oh low iq brainlet melty
>>719469663It's literally the opposite of a time limit. You have all the time to test things out and if things don't work out this loop, just go for the next one.
>>719477515If a games tutorial is a 100 levels long then there’s a problem
>>719469491What am I seeing? I mean as gameplay?
>>719478757You rotated a cube and it broke.Actual spoilers, probably shouldn't read if you play on playing the game: You have a limited amount of "uses" per color(RGB). If you try to "use" a color when that number is a 0 that color ends up getting deleted. Since all three primary colors are depleted at the same time since I used a white object and they happen to be the colors of the rings that make up the ground you end up breaking the entire area and need to restart.
>>719431484case of the golden idol
Arx Fatalis
I like every game people mentioned in this thread EXCEPT the outer wilds. I gave it five hours and I hated my time with it. In my first couple of runs I-flew towards a planet which I couldn’t land on and which disappeared and I could never find again-knocked a satellite orbiting the planet out of the sky, hoping for it to land on the Earth. It just phased through the ground, wasting my time-spent a long time trying to land on an object orbiting the sun, and when I was finally able to do it, the games physics fucked up and kicked me off and I lost my ship-found a meteor covered in ice. Domething is buried in ice, so I deduce ‘oh, I need to wait until near the end of the cycle for when the sun is bigger and the comet is close to it and that will cause the ice to melt!’Instead of that, absolutely nothing happens and you die.When I got around to giving up I realised all of the ‘puzzles’ were just reading a note that tells you to go somewhere else and gives you the answer to whatever puzzle is there, rinse and repeat. I’m baffled by the universal praise this game gets.
>>7194829546/10 trolling attempt. Try harder.
just dropping in to say that rain world sucks and i will debate anyone on this subject
>>719483192I agree
>>719483031I’m not trolling. I’m being totally honest with you. I did not enjoy the game at all. I spent some of my time fucking around at the space station that launches a probe at the start, I figured out some of the fast travel, and I got to the inside of the water planet by using a jellyfish before I got fed up
>>719479005Thanks for the explanation, and the spoiler, even if basically you said that's a mistake, so it don't seem to spoil anything.I don't intend to play the game but it's still nice to know a game that use that concept
>>719476031>death kneel
>>719470672Check it out, you discover this right at the beginning of the gameThe rest of the events afterward are the truly interesting things
>>719476031>>719483528It still works as a concept
>>719445172Fuck right off.
>>719483192I liked it. But I was trying to brute force progression every minute. I happened upon the ending by complete accident and I am completely lost regarding the dlc characters....I liked it(?)
Lingo and Lingo 2They are strictly puzzle games though with 0 lore or writing
>>719482954>>719483360Did you actually try to play the game as intended, ie land on planets and start exploring, or were you just doing random shit you thought off?
>>719487030>Did you actually try to play the game as intendedwhat a ridiculous concept!
>>719451709>Book of HoursToo far in the other direction. Game was boring as hell.
>>719487030All the things I stated were me exploring, what are you on about? Flying at things and trying to land on them (phantom planet, sun satellite), and trying to solve puzzles and gather info (there might be data on the orbiting satellite, trying to melt the ice on the comet to free the frozen ship)Or are you now going to claim im somehow ‘exploring wrong’
>>719432051Yes
>>719473858git gud
>>719487708it's funny how you went to the comet and had the right idea about it melting but decided to just sit there until you died hoping something would happen, and (apparently) gave up on everything after trying exactly once
>>719483752Are they bad?
>>719487030Anon. He's trolling. Don't feed the troll.
>>719487976The comet has a very obvious perihelion close to the sun. The sun is hot. Waiting until the comet gets close to the sun is an obvious idea. When it didnt work the first time, i saw how the sun gets bigger close to the end, so I tried again, thinking i might have enough time to check out the frozen ship for some important information that would help me in future loops. I dont think im being unreasonable making these assumptions.The game does not belong to stand next to genuinely great puzzle games like obra dinn. Its just moving from one location to the next being given direct guidance on what to do. "Go to the water planet and find the tornado spinning the opposite way". "Hide inside the jellyfish to inslate you from the electricity". Youre not solving puzzles, and the exploration is not rewarding, or particuarly fun. I gave it more than a fair shake and didnt enjoy myself at all. I just dont get it.
>>719488339Why do you think im trolling? What am I saying that's so ridiculous?
>>719488561If you had actually tried, you'd know that the front half of the comet visibly and AUDIBLY melts near the sun. I'm sorry you're stupid.
>>719488640People can't say without spoiling the game. You were right about the meteor covered in ice, you need to get closer to the sun and it unlocks some kind of secret passage if i remember right (been years since i've played the game). So it's funny that you complain about that when you were actually close to the solution. That's why people think you're trolling.
>>719488684STOP FEEDING THE TROLLYOU ABSOLUTE RETARD
Try Thief and skip the tutorial
>>719488907>That's why people think you're trollingNo, it's him claiming he's encountered and observed every single thing of the game that most people only notice or attempt many loops in.Normal people don't go the comet, they either go to the moon because the game hints at there being things there, or they go to Brittle Hollow because that's the first thing they see.
>>719488684I'll admit I did not try looking at the other side of the comet. I didnt want to get very far away from the frozen spaceship because I assumed i only had a narrow window of time if the ship were to partially unfreeze. I also found it difficult to land on the comet, so I didnt try again after nothing happening twice in a row.>>719488907I dont care about this game getting spoiled anymore. I didnt really care about the plot, and my experience has already been soured enough that spoilers wont bother me. Also, i hate how everyone in the game speaks. It feels like the writer is trying far too hard to make you REALLY care about the characters
>>719454971this, it's a roguelite with puzzles inside
>>719489250It's ok to be filtered by a game, anon. No need to have a melty.
>>719489142I played this just after playing obra dinn and golden idol, so i was already conditioned to be looking for small details, but i think you're so demented on accusing me of trolling that theres nothing I can say to convince you otherwise. Also, its an exploration game - i wanted to go explore, not go where the big sign is pointing you. I looked at the map, thought the comet looked cool, so tried going there. I saw the platform orbiting the sun when i was flying to the comet, so i tried that afterward.
>>719489142He played for 5 hours, going to the comet twice in that time frame seems perfectly reasonable.>>719489250You didn't really miss much. The writing is a waste of time, but figuring out why things are happening is fun, even if it is trivial shit like "go in the cyclone spinning the other way". I think you would've enjoyed the game more if you stuck with it and felt more of a desire to work out why the sun was blowing up.
>>719489142That's more likely but it's not impossible that some people went for the comet>>719489250I thought the game was great but i didn't care all that much about the plot either, i just liked trying to solve the cozy mystery in space. It's a relaxing game.
>>719489541Thanks. I probably just had a lot of bad stuff happen so close to the start that it wore me down very quickly. I just dont see how this game is so often compared to the all time great puzzle games.
>>719489142The first thing you see is the probe launching station exploding actually. That's one of the very first place I went to.
>>719489529>i wanted to go explore, not go where the big sign is pointing youso you intentionally played it wrong, then get mad it's not exactly what you decided it should have been in your head. That's on you, dummy.
>>719443073Divinity Original Sin 2Think Baldur's Gate 3 but an actual good game
>>719489973You can play it like that, it gives you some clues. At some point though you do have to follow the hint map.
>>719444759Came to post this
>>719489973I mean, he can explore everything he wants but it's strange that in his 5 hours of gameplay he did all that random shit and never came across clues about the things that frustrate him.
>>719490408Almost as if he hasn't actually played the game.
>>719490512I’ve said several times I played the game for 5 hours. How else can I prove that to you
>>719483192You are wrong, and not worthy of debate
>>719431484This one does exactly that, you even get the outer wilds moments when you figure out some hidden mechanics
>>719431484pronce of persia (1989)
>>719488156NTA, but no.
>>719431623>Obra DinnIt's a puzzle game, absolutely nothing like the other games and a vast disappointment.
>>719431484Subnautica brohighly kinographique
>>719470672The kraken is part of the tutorial
>>719496175should have been a leviathan in Giant's Deep ocean
>>719431484INSIDE by playdead KINGDOM: new lands
>>719496175Tried to get into it twice and couldn't. I really don't like farming and crafting in single player games
>>719496861Not all games are for everyone. But I'd say you missed out on a unique game experience. Each environment is great to explore and you piece together the overall story and mystery. Plus gather technology to build more advanced equipment and submersibles
I don't understand how anyone can hate Tunic. The ARG shit is just bonus and you don't have to do a single fairy puzzle if you do not want to. The gameplay is fine for what it is, but the art direction is top notch, the music is stellar, and the sense of adventure is unmatched.
>>719456602>>719457139This makes me curious to pick up Blue Prince again, I put it down after getting to room 46 and feeling burnt out. How do you know what the next goal is, like these doors? Just kinda felt too open ended for me to put more time in.
>>719431484>I want to play a game that gives you very little instructions. Instead, it just drops you in the game world and lets you figure everything out on your owntry unlimited saga if you like jrpgs, but just know you're getting exactly what you asked for
>>719437415I liked sunless sea. Sunless skies felt a bit off to me. Anything similar to Sea?
>>719477719I wish things in Outer Wilds were static and not changing. >you have all the timewrong, let's talk about Brittle Hollow, which was my main filter. There you have only a few minutes to reach the lower areas before they're covered in sand. Since I'm geographically inept and have the memory of a goldfish, I struggled to find a path to the sunless city because on the surface there are so many archs with passages you can get in that you get lost, especially if you struggle to land the spaceship easily (like me) and fall down from the bridge every time (like me). After 10 hours of this delirium I gave up, which is sad because the game is really interesting.
>>719496861You can disable water and food.Just satisfying yourself with building for fun, or setting yourself a challenge of having aquarium/eggs for all creatures.
>>719497375Have you noticed that almost every room has two black and white drawings, all in the same art style? Or the chalkboard in the Study? Or wonder what the corkboard in the commissary meant? Did you reach Room 46 again to look at the note on the desk? Didn't you wonder how to open the doors in the Inner Sanctum? Did you not want to discover all the Workshop contraptions? Did you ever discover the Bookstore? There's tons of different leads you can follow. Except for the S.A.C.R.E.D. note in the Clock Tower. That one doesn't lead down a rabbit hole. It was meant to be part of one of the overarching puzzles, but they changed the way the puzzle is solved mid-development; its only purpose now is to indicate the importance of the word "sacred".Reaching Room 46 is only the first 3rd of the game; stopping there is like quitting Okami after you defeat Orochi.
>>719499179>let's talk about brittle hollow>proceeds to talk about ember twinanyway skill issue
>>719499474ah, whoops, yeah I meant ember twin.>skill issueyes, sadly.
>>719499320>just cheatYou didn't beat the game.
I know this isn't relevant to the main topic, but detectivefags should check out Detective Grimoire and Lucifer Within Us. Maybe Chants of Sennaar as well.
>>719431484the forest and sons of the forest
>>719499352Like it's all stuff I noticed, but just kind of figured they'd be one-offs and just lead to more stuff like the letters giving background fluff. I should really pick it back up.
Legend of grim rock 1 and 2.
>>719499179NTA but,In OW thread we actually had regular instances of anon giving up, going back to the game later telling himself this time he'll just straight line it.Then discover it didn't feel as complicated as he remembered.And I AM one of those anon.I gave up 10 hours in.Came back months later, just to try finishing it.Finished the game in another 10 hours.Then boughted the DLC which is arguably trickier and finished it in another 20 hours. Read a guiding once but that was because I was so prudent I accidentally missed something we are meant to discover by accident.One tip:Put your computer in rumor-mode.
>>719497103the zelda part of the game is bad and the combat is frankly awful, but the post-game stuff is good enough that it's still worth it slogging through 10 hours of garbage
>>719499650Detective Grimoire is entertaining but it's basically a visual novel, barely any real puzzle to it, and Lucifer Within Us would be good if it was more than an hour long as it ends right as you get comfortable with it.
Speaking as >>719499320>>719499628I DID beat the game with food/water enabled.That's why I can tell you in all honesty that it bring nothing to the game but plain repetition.All you end up doing is setting a farm inside the Cyclops and stock up in water.A lot of feature of the game didn't make it, you were supposed to have genetic research, and the base was supposed to have flooding other than by you fucking up.
>>719500149unfortunately this was the 4th or 5th time I've reinstalled the game, thinking "this is the one, I won't give up", writing down notes and being careful about everything. Too bad it doesn't work when you can't find your bearings at all, and as I wrote I tried for 10 whole hours, I have 23 hours on the fucking game at this point.
>>719500494>can't find your bearingsthere's a literal globe on the UI that tracks your movement on every planet
>>719500637yeas, but if you go back and forth it becomes a jumbled mess.
>>719499179How the fuck do people have problems landing the ship, you can smash this shit at escape velocity and it stays fine
>>719463053I enjoyed it for a while. It does a good job of capturing the idea that you are dabbling with dangerous, poorly understood powers, and figuring out how it all works was fun for me. Unfortunately, once you do figure everything out, the game largely just becomes a dull plate-spinning simulator.>>719431484The King's Field and Shadow Tower games are pretty good about that. They're made by Fromsoft, but they don't play like the Souls games and are more focused on exploration than combat.If you have some tolerance for older games, you could also look at Legacy of the Wizard. Figuring out how to progress in it is difficult, but I think it's a fair challenge that never goes into "obscure bullshit you never could have guessed" territory. Definitely read the manual if you try it, though, as some of the information in there is both critically important and difficult to stumble upon otherwise.
>>719457606High res version of pic anywhere?
>>719501359Hint: open in a new tabYou should be able to solve this one!
>>719499352I like how most of that requires you to pull a specific room first.Which, if you're unlucky, will take several hours.
>>719431484White Knuckle
>>719501359The picture is 5701x4745 pixels. How much higher res do you need it to be?
>>719431484Morrowind
>>719457275Pretty good list, you're alright in my book anon.
>>719502264Ignore me I was being a dumbass
>>719465418Y I K E S. Do not fucking listen to this retard. Play the actual game, not the BluePoint-raped remake with fucked up music and visuals.
>719502880PS4 version is the only non-fucked up version DOE
>>719500774I'm very bad with controllers.
>>719503274This game supports mouse and keyboard too...
>>719503757real yakuza yadda yadda
>>719504508The devs are unironically wrong about this one.
>>719504759not necessarily, game pad lets you control the ship's acceleration more finely (which is hugely useful in Dark Bramble)
>>719500494>>719500764nta, I respect you admitting the problem is probably on your side. I wish you good luck to overcome it.It is absolutely certain that Brittle Hollows, with its constantly crumbling/shapeshifting area, and especially its inverted platforming area above a black hole, will give nausea.That said, the only place where I even needed the globe was on the Quantum Moon, for obvious reasons. large structure appear and disappear as you look away and solving its mystery require to keep track of where you are on its surface.
>>719504938That's true, but I prefer the mod that let's you control the engine throttle with the mouse wheel.
>>719501359>>719501625Did you know that if you middle-click on a link or the miniature of a pic, it opens it in another tab?
>>719465197>one dudei don't understand this argumentthe less number of devs, the less money they need to stay afloathe's probably rich by now
>>719504508every game says this, and it's wrong every time
>>719505274>every game says thisno?
>>719505274gamepad > k&m for anything that isn't ASSFAGGOTS
>>719504759>>719505274fine, I'll wait a month and retry with kb+m>>719505001honestly it's a personal challenge to finish it at this point, seeing that overwhelmingly positive score makes me feel like a retard for stopping.
>>719460764>It's like 20 minutes longThe 20 min timer actually doesnt start until you take off in the ship or when the statue scans you iirc
>>719501359If you're on mobile, open the full-size image in a new tab, and remove the "m" at the end of the filename.
>>719475669>haven't even played them>I know they're bad
>>719478039Haha, joke's on you! The tutorial is 200 levels long!And you have ADHD.
>>719499179>I struggled to find a path to the sunless citydude there's a giant laser beam pointing to the sky that you can see from spacejust find that, slam your ship into the ground and bail, then start the underground trek
