76 is unironically better than 4

If you had 4 and 3 GotY edition in front me at any time I'd rather play 3. Thats all thats needed to decide which is better

Its certainly the most fun. Looting and shooting up random areas, making comfy home bases, modding out weapons. Its great fun.
I'm sure the most elite epic gaming scenario is NV with a 100+ gig modpack, but if we are talking vanilla, 4 is the most entertaining for sure.

>>719435548
But what about the superseding rpg mechanics? Of which there are little to none? Outside the obvious answer of being beyond Bethesda's creative team and their current skillset.

>>719435269
4 is good as long as you play it a certain way. as in, dont play it like a fallout game. its a great looter shooter and trash collecting simulator. the base building can be fun too, if you set out to make a fortress for yourself.

The biggest problem with 4 is that there are far too many "build your own settlement" spots instead of actual settlements being there. No one is going to build more than 1-2 settlements. The mechanic is just not fleshed out enough for that and you have seen everything there is to it after just one settlement. There are also no benefits after one settlement.

>>719435548
having better gunplay does not make 4 the most fun, its an absolute bore desu, no excitement in exploring areas, quests will take you back to the same places to do the same thing, poor sense of progression. NV was the sweet spot the gunplay was fine

>>719435269
Anything made personally by current day Bethesda is shit.
New Vegas was better and done much faster because not only was it made by the people that made the old Interplay Fallouts but also actually knew how to do it fast.
Thus New Vegas and all the Interplay Fallouts of old (1, 2 and Tactics) are the only good Fallouts. 3,4 and 76 are simply TES with guns (yeah, so it's New Vegas, but that one has a good story at least). Not to mention the Bethesda Fallouts lack the atmosphere and bleakness of the Interplay ones.

Also don't mention the console Fallouts. They were so damn bad they make the Bethesda Fallouts look like masterpieces.

>>719435964
It should be like the kingdom come games, where it delivers an illusion of your input being how attacks connect, but behind the scenes stat checks are really the driving force of how effective you are in all manner of gameplay. That way normalfags can pretend they're playing generic fps garbage.

>>719435269
4 is definitely better than 3.

I'll do a playthrough of Fallout 4 once a year, just to dick around in power armor. That's it. The power armor is the only thing that brings me back, literally everything else in that game fucking sucks, yes, even settlement building. Fallout 3 is literally just all the worst parts of Fallout 4 and no power armor.

NV is still superior to both of them and I have 2k hours in it on Steam alone.

>>719435324
100%. 4 is awful and railroaded by its narrative. 76 isn't great, but it offers much better player freedom and presents itself in a way where the player is coming upon shit as its happening rather than 4s "We made all this shit happen just for you"

>>719437659
My favorite is how your son's reason is
>just cause www

>>719436004
Wasteland 2 and 3 are pretty damn good, even if they aren't Fallout games

>>719438000
Agreed.

>>719435269
I don't get the NV vs 3 debate. Doesn't everyone play 3 via TTW nowadays? Isn't the only real arguement in favor of 3 the world design difference of 3 being more TES-like vs New Vegas having a more static(dead) world that resembels CRPG design?

>>719435269
it's got cute girls, a bigger map, and improved animations, but 3 is better in literally every other way. i don't think the gunplay is actually mechanically better, shit is as spongy as ever, it's just the animations looking less artificial. i guess survival mode is good but buggy games and no saving do not mix

>>719438152
>Doesn't everyone play 3 via TTW nowadays?
Absoslutely not. I exclusively play NV and find 3 to be a superfluous distraction everytime I tried TTW

>>719438152
The problem with TTW is that they still use 3's enemy health scaling and DR, especially for the higher level enemies. At the started you have to spend like 1-2 hours scumming for AP ammo to have any chance to fight supermutants without using all your ammo or play as Mike Tyson addicted to Psycho and steroids. God help you if a Ghoul Reaver jump scares you.

>>719435269
As a looter/shooter? Sure, why not. As a Fallout game? It's criminal that I am exposed to the opinons of retards on a daily basis