>fnaf and sequels mogs deltarune and undertale>fnaf actually gets a movie/tv show and theme parks representationhow come? is it because of gameplay? Is it because of chuck e cheese memories? Is it because you wanna fuck the animatronics? Those are machines you sick freak.
>make creepy game >make money>bread your wife for six kids what did scott mean by this?
Many people who played the first game were in fact old enough to have gone to chuck e cheese its glory days. I remember kids would stick shit like gum or cups under chuckie's foot as he would tap to the rhythm of music. too bad its all pozzed globohomo sanitized shit
>>719444494>>fnaf and sequels mogs deltarune and undertaleIn terms of butchering the lore and losing its identity? YesFNAF went downhill the moment someone other than Scott make the games, and how the lore is spread out across 20 fucking books. At least Toby keeps the lore contained within 2 games, and a single ARG event
All indie games tremble before the might of FNAF
>>719445646>At least Toby keeps the lore contained within 2 games, and a single ARG eventHonestly man Deltarune is way worse than Undertale.
>>719446120How is that relevant to my post?
>>719444494>Is it because you wanna fuck the animatronics?lol yeah
>>719446120>Honestly man Deltarune is way worse than Undertale.NTA, but I haven't gotten around to play it. What so bad about it?
>>719446203Well, I would say it is. Toby's games have gone downhill just as Five Nights at Freddy's did. Too obsessed with mystery instead of just answering questions.
>>719446212My chicken ghost can't possibly be this cute?!?!
The Desolate Hope >>> FNaF
>>719446419I wish he made a third one. But it supposedly took him 2 years to make Desolate Hope, so it's pretty understandable.
>>719446419>>719446558What's this game about?
>>719444494Turns out basing your mascot horror on marketable mascots results in you getting marketable mascots companies want to market.Who'd have thunk it.
>>719446293>Toby's games have gone downhill just as Five Nights at Freddy's did.Wrong>Too obsessed with mystery instead of just answering questions.Wrong again.Either you didn't play the game or didn't pay attention to the dialogue at all
>>719446641>implying chapters 3 and 4 weren't filler dogshit
>>719446782I was gonna respond myself but this guy did it for me.
>>719446587It's about robots stuck on a desolate planet. You enter each robots simulation (2D platformer) and then kill viruses (bosses with JRPG battles). You have limited power which serves as a time limit.It's free on Steam so there's no reason not to try it.
>>719446782Wrong yet againThanks for confirming you didn't play the game
Either you didn't pay attention to how shitty it was or didn't pay attention to the even shittier dialogue.
>>719447047not even the original anon your responding to retard. try again
>>719444494You know, I used to hate FNAF but I played the first game again and I have to admit it was really effective at being a horror game. Whatever you wanna say about what the franchise became, you can't say it wasn't built on something pretty solid. I don't think it's as bad as some people make it out to be. Though as soon as those living tombstone songs came out it all became so much less creepy.
>>719447013Guess I'll check it out, I like Scott's art style so it does look pretty cool.
>>719444494it's getting a second movie too
>>719446641NTA but>chapter 3>a fucking zelda clone takes up over half of the gameplay of the chapter>pitiful amount of enemies>no traditional secret boss>barely any bosses in general>tenna wasn't what the foreshadowing was suggesting he was>the mike mystery box contained nothing but a drawing of a middle finger>cliffhanger for no reason>chapter 4>pitiful amount of new characters>no traditional chapter boss>even more scenes of the main trio being sad and whatever>barely any bosses yet again>most of the soundtrack sounds nothing like the rest of the franchise>more shipping shit>popular image of toriel and sans destroyed
>>719444494You wanna know why? Because Scott is a man of GOD
>>719446212Artist?
>>719447047>>719446641This is primarily why I tolerate and prefer fnaf fags over deltatroons anyday. Deltatroonies the most annoying and insufferable faggots
>>719444494It's story is such that it can keep going forever with mounting bullshit and no resolution.Each one gives more questions than answers or just outright makes things up to keep engagement, or has YouTubers do the work in that regard. Gameplay wise you probably aren't getting a good answer anywhere here. I have a sneaking suspicion /5n@f/ is majority underage's who will worship anything Steel Wool puts out.Yeah Scott himself is pretty based I guess as far as game developers go. Not like it matters much since a very leftwing studio has been attached since several years ago.
>>719448093Security breach is so fucking bad it's unbelievable. It really shouldn't be that hard to just make the animatronics look like the showbiz pizza place or chuck e cheese kind, I've seen fan games that do it better. That's what made it creepy to begin with
>>719444494Fnaf's lore is fun to piece together and there are so many different stories and angles tucked inside that a wide range of people can find something they like about the story, or they can use it as a template for their own projects.But the big thing is the gameplay of those original games. That's why Fnaf hasn't felt like Fnaf since it went freeroam. The gameplay is uniquely to Fnaf and it's just fun.
>>719447132That doesn't change that you're still wrong about new chapters being fillers, dumbass>>719447426>>a fucking zelda clone takes up over half of the gameplay of the chaptervalid crictism>>pitiful amount of enemiesnot an issue>>no traditional secret bossyou got ERAM >>tenna wasn't what the foreshadowing was suggesting he wasDid you also complain that the Queen wasn't like the foreshadowing?>>the mike mystery box contained nothing but a drawing of a middle fingervalid criticism>>cliffhanger for no reasonto show us that Kris does actually knows the code for shelter door, but refuses to actually cooperate unless we control him>>pitiful amount of new charactersnot every chapter in the game has to be like chapter 1 and 2, the point is to move the plot forward>>no traditional chapter bossactually wrong, you got the hammer bro>>even more scenes of the main trio being sad and whateverwhy is that a bad thing?>>most of the soundtrack sounds nothing like the rest of the franchiseagain, why is that a bad thing?>>more shipping shitvalid criticism, but at least the weird route gave us the weird route bedroom scene>>popular image of toriel and sans destroyedrightfully because that ship have always been shitand also, maybe Toby is trying to set up for chapter 5 since it seems to be focused on Sans, Toriel and Asgore >>719447839cry about it
>>719448636Ehhh wrong, still not the original poster you inbred faggot
Remember when the "indie game community" was a thing but it was really the "youtube game community"? That was a nice time, wish we didn't splinter into a thousand different subcultures.
FNAF has Roxy Undertale/Deltarune does not have RoxyConclusion? FNAF wins.
>>719448839Also chica, like a million versions of my birb waifu
>>719448986
>>719449048AAAAAAAAHHHHHH SHES GOING TO MOLEST ME SO SCARY AHHHH
>>719448767Concession accepted
>>719448839Roxanne is giving black woman vibes in that video
>>719449202>still replying to me when Im not the original posterI accept your concession, tranny.
>>719448839Replace the R in Roxy with an F and you have my attention.
>>719449313Now type that without crying
>>719444494>brings up two games of a completely different genre unprompted to try to make a pointJust ask why the series is popular instead of trying to force a war between fanbases
>>719449391I miss Foxy. I don't like the modern Freddy's band. Bonnie is dead, Chica is a completely different person, Foxy is missing, and Freddy is retarded now.
Is there a livingtombstone song about Undertale?
>>719449550I miss the foxy good guy theory. I liked how he popped his head in your room I wanted to kind maybe fuck him.
>>719449632>I wanted to kind maybe fuck him.I wanted to do this since the very first game. What did scott mean by this?
>>719449632>ERRRM... YOU *DO* KNOW THESE ARE THE SOULS OF CHILDREN. RIGHT?
>>719444494Undertale and it’s like are categorically different from FNAF simply by their creative aim. Toby’s game are iterations of games like earthbound, where FNAF (1) at least brought on an entire new form of horror game. Doesn’t necessarily make FNAF better, but I think it contributes to why it has been so sticky in pop cultire
>>719444494it is weird how this game was extremely famous since day 1 and has never really halted
>>719449583Whatever helps you sleep at night
>>719449850not to mention the abundance of rpg maker games, not saying novelty is everything but before five nights at freddy's there was never really a game like that before
>>719449908>still seethingsounds good deltatroonie, lul
>>719449856At this point it never will. It's somehow both an indie darling and a Hollywood juggernaut with plans for the future and a fandom that will gladly pick up the slack if there is a dry period. People rightfully shit on the modern series, but it's in best position it's ever been in the last decade, able to continue as the cultural touchstone of a generation for the foreseeable future.
>>719449908>>719450031Alright guys enough is enough. Name which animatronic you'd rather fuck and let's move past all this.
>>719450274It kind of makes me happy to see. Mainly because I respect Scott, it's an inspirational success story.
>>719450275None of them have flesh, so I will pick Vanny
>>719449856Not really, just take a look at the timing of each release.>fnaf: August 2014>fnaf 2: November 2014>fnaf 3: March 2015>fnaf 4: July 2015>fnaf world: January 2016>sister location: October 2016>pizzeria simulator: December 2017>ucn: June 2018>help wanted: May 2019>security breach: December 2021>help watned 2: December 2023>secrete of the mimic: June 2025The first 4 games which made it explode in popularity came out in quick succession, and by that point the series had enough of a following that slower releases after the William Afton story was wrapped up didn't cause its following to die out. Even then 2 years between a game is still fairly quick nowadays. There's also the fact that when fnaf first came out the internet was in need of a new horror sensation since Slenderman was on the decline, fnaf came in and filled that gap.
>>719450397They can suck you off with their ghostly powers. Like that scene in Ghostbusters
>>719450397>None of them have fleshAnd?
>>719450397What were the security breach people fucking thinking?
It's easier to make a cheap as fuck horror movie out of Fnaf than an animated movie out of Undertale
>Toby Fox:>christian>literal limpwristed fag who broke his wrist and couldn't work on deltarune for a while at some point>doesn't cut his nails and looks like a creature>bases characters off husies family members and more likely wants to fuck hussie>copies shit from other games like earthbound>takes 7 years to make a game>no biblical themes>fanbase is full of trannies/faggots that make spam threads because they wanted ship this characters mother's goldfish halfstep cousin with some deer that isn't noelle>Scott Cawthon:>christian>a chad who impregnated his wife and has six children>cuts his nails >bases character off on chuck e cheese characters and bible characters which everyone would relate to remembering their childhoods>actual innovative gameplay>almost yearly releases of games>tons of biblical themes such as lucifer (phone guy) and what it means to be up against evil and eternal damnation >fanbases is full of furries, horror fans, and people willing to give it a try and loved it
>>719444494ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar ar
>>719450725I don't think Toby is a Christian. Or at least not a serious one. No serious Christian would work with viziepop
>>719448636NTA but ERAM is not a traditional secret boss, the Roaring Knight fits into that category more (with the secret being that it isn't entirely a scripted loss)
>>719444494Maybe it's just the nature of the games but I feel like Fnaf has an extremely high quantity of memorable moments for how long the games really are.>Phone calls>Power outage>Golden Freddy>Death minigames>Springlock failure>Big Bite>Scooping Room>Michael's rotting corpse>Salvage games>Helpy vs the law>Midnight Motorist>Henry's speech>Willaim goes to hellThat's what pops into my head when I think about Fnaf, most games can only muster half a dozen memorable bits if they're good.
>>719446419https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CbvfsWBpL5M
>>719450275Knowing the deltatroon probably doesn't play anything other than his earthbound clone, I pick foxy,roxy, chica, and springtrap
>>719450950>springtrap>He wants to stick his dick in a maggot filled corpse
Has anyone in this thread ever play FNAF in real time?
>>719450812In delta rune threads it was always mentioned that he was christian
>>719444494FNAF was never goodOnly good thing about it is the art style
>>719451080Even if he proclaimed himself a Christian, working with vivziepop is something no honest Christian would do
Is this the stealth thread?
>>719449313>Enjoy your shitty franchise never going beyond its medium and only being known for only tumblrite/redditor trannies for all timetake this back faggot
>>719451179Stealth furry thread
>>719444494Its a finished product unlike deltatroon who is going to get dragged on for 3 more chapters before toby chimp gives up after burnt out from working on the same project these last 10 years.
>>719446226Nothing gets resolved and just more and more ambiguous aspects of the story are brought to the narrative
>>719444494https://vocaroo.com/1jJ9OY8TZa8E
Sex with Frenni.That is all.
>>719450275No love for Toy Bonnie? He's hot as fuck
>>719451075>This attraction is great>So many guards I can rape
>>719444494Deltarune and Undertale are better than FNAF but they have the big drawback of taking a lot of time to make a single entry in the series. FNAF has almost as many official entries in its series as years it's been around for.
>>719445646Cool. Fnaf is infinitely more interesting in terms of lore and worldbuilding than anything toby shat out with much better suspense and while its too much content at times especially with books, at least cawthon or who ever was able to resolve mysteries instead of leading the player to random endings that either don't resolve or mean jackshit at all unlike chapter 3.
>>719451691are the books good?
>>719451691*as in chapter 3 i mean
>>719451735Fazbear frights is ok Silver eyes is good lily's game was fucking kino and would've awesome if they were in the gamesall in all hit or miss at times
>>719450725>>doesn't cut his nails and looks like a creatureI don't know why but that made me laugh
>>719451856He looks like a golem. There was a photoshoot he did with nips and held up his profile pic to cover his face and his nails were LONG AS FUCK and he looks to be 5ft5
>>719451823I heard they explain away some of the paranormal stuff with some scientific explanation, that kinda turned me off from giving the books a chance
wish we had more fnaf threads
>>719450725>>fanbase is full of trannies/faggotsso just like FNAF?>>almost yearly releases of gamesah yes, quantity of qualityI'm sure you loved the buggy mess that is Security Breach that people have been waiting for years>>719451691>at least cawthon or who ever was able to resolve mysteries instead of leading the player to random endings that either don't resolve or mean jackshit imagine being this delusional
>>719452426*quantity over quality
>>719452426WHATS IN THE BOOOOX
>>719452426>imagine being this delusionalk. still infinitely more interesting than deltatroon
>>719444494Shame pic related exists
>>719452541All jokes aside, Chara is about as stupid as the box is in terms of it not making any sense
>>719452426>delusionalScott cawthon actually has the courtesy of telling the player about it and setting it up for later on unlike toby who either gives you a middle finger or just doesn't it all
FNAF lore is like a fractal, there's always something new to uncover
>>719451691He long
>>719451613>Deltarune and Undertale are better than FNAF
>>719452661>Chara is about as stupid as the box is in terms of it not making any senseOnly if you posses reading ability that is below elementary level>>719452789>Scott cawthon actually has the courtesy of telling the player about it and setting it up for laterWhere's the setup for Edwin and the mimic in FNAF 1-UCN?
I know deltarune is now /v/erboten but can we not force it into every other thread
>>719453057>You have to meet my arbitrary level of requirements in mental ability in order to understand a retarded nonsensical character and their intentions because they are le deep and le emotional.Seems like the typical rune/tale copout lately for the inability to explain shit writing which actually feels like it was written by an elementary student.
>>719444494Should I buy this?
>>719444494I still can't believe the whole franchise started because Scott was salty his entry got criticized as being too spooky and he made the first FNAF just to dunk on the review. Now that's a whole new level of pettiness that worked out for the better.
>>719453486Was he really salty
>>719453448>consumeyou would be no better than phone guy who consumed those children
This thread seems sort of pointless. Why are you people comparing apples to oranges?
>>719453546But it's cute!
>>719453614phone guy thought it was cute to murder those children. Atleast the foxy one
>>719453640>Hitler liked dogs too you know
>>719453596Because it's video game discussion?
>>719453662Just get foxy its infinitely better, smells great, he comes and visits you like in fnaf 4
>>719444494is this game an analogy for pizzagate?
>>719453720Foxy would be my other choice
fnaf is a great game
>>719453436Nice deflection, faggotI'm not surprised that you don't even know about the game series you keep defendingAnd since you don't know jack shit about FNAF, let me tell you that it's a common knowledge among the fans that Scott literally makes up shit along with the way. That's why FNAF 4 was teased as "The Final Chapter" even though it wasn't. Or how FFPS was meant to be the end of the series even though it wasn't
>>719454115damn what's that video
>>719454152This is just what happens with all successful horror franchises
>>719454152>still doesn't prove me wrong and goes on a schizoid rambleI accept your concession
>>719453448why is she so pissed
>>719454459Probably has something to do with being murdered
>>719454227i wish everything past UCN was a separate universe, it would've made the lore less shit>>719454420You already got exposed as not knowing jack shit about FNAFNow scram, poser
>>719455040>going on a schizo rant and not refuting any points is me proving how much of a poser you arelol lmao?
>>719446212Me want Chica snu-snu
>>719451078yup, as far as I know, the real-time mode is still somewhat buggy, only lasts 4.5 hours, you need to be really careful at 2 AM not to use so much power because by 5 AM u are down to nearly 26%
>>719455554They should add some mini games in the room like playing pong or listening to 80s music or stroking your dick if it's like 6 actual hours
>>719454420Confession denied.
>>719456250Connection terminated
>>719444494Its because Scott released 8 games in the span of 4 years, alongside updates to said games adding new content between releases, loads of tie in books, and shit loads of merchandising.Meanwhile Toby has 1.5 games and some plushies released over the span of twelve years.Scott pushed his game to become a franchise and a brand, while Toby kept Undertale as just a game.
>>719447839Like that wplace map thing. You would find UT/DR crap everywhere. It's stupid because they have the opportunity to draw about different topics, communicating in creative ways. But those fags not only were making the dumbest and most unoriginal things, they were also ruining the experience for others that weren't interested in that and wanted to draw about something else. They're annoying. Oh and there was always lgbt stuff as well. A very weird coincidence
>>719458230I know it might sound schizophrenic but I do think it had to be bots or something along those lines. Mainly because it's literally just sprites ripped from the game and they're just standing, not doing anything unique or different.
>>719457723not to mention the fnaf games are designed to go on for an eternity, any ass pull will work to keep it going
>>719444494It's because FNAF games were made in a reasonable amount of time Undertale -> Deltarune has been over 10 years, and Deltarune is only about halfway complete. Shitloads of momentum and hype was as many original fans grew out of it/lost interest>>719446226NTA, my only gripes with it is Toby's teenager yuri fetish and that the pacing doesn't feel nearly as tight as UndertaleI don't think it's bad by any means or even disappointing, but the experience so far isn't as good as Undertale with what we have
And uuhh another reason why fnaf >>> anything Toby FAG has ever done is because it has the best female character of all time, top waifu material >>719458302>ripped from the gameThat could just be because they wanted simplicity and to be on model>just standing Maybe that's a good reason, but I still think that it could be for having efficiency. Autism can easily rival task automation
>>719459126I forgot to upload this masterpiece
>>719459126>the best female character of all time, top waifu materialAre you talking about Roxy or Chica? They're both great choices for waifus either way
do they still even have animatronic mascot places anymore or is that just a thing of the past?
>>719458651>Shitloads of momentum and hype was as many original fans grew out of it/lost interestprobably explains why so many underage like it
>>719444494Because FNAF developer is BASED and TRAD, but Bobby F. "Toby" Fox is WOKE and CRINGE
>>719459390this but without any potential irony
>>719459435There was zero irony in my post
>>719459219Roxy is sexy, but when she's not an animatronic. And Glamrock Chica only when they use that 3D model, you know which one
>>719459454good
>>719459518Toy Chica is the sexiest one, but I have a soft spot for classic Chica too
>>719459561Cawthon is the straightest dev of all time for canonizing Lovetaste. Cry me a river jams3d
>>719459703Toy bonnie is hot too tbhdesu
>>719459390Scott is indeed based. He took the jumpscare sound in FNAF 2 from Saw 2 (the best Saw movie).
FNAF was an actual unique thing, Undertumbler is just quirky Earthbound about depression
God I fucking wish we had more fnaf threads than deltatroon threads. Finally some good shit we can talk about
>>719459126>>719459175Scott never turned chica into a whore like with what happened with toriel
>>719458485They're not designed to, but they're writing is so weak, no one cares if you habitually break the plot and lore to force more sequels.
>>719459454Doesn't left habitually post about how much white guilt he has on twitter?
>>719460120It's vague and cryptic but I wouldn't call it weak. It ignites people's autism, so on some level it was well made
Uhmmm its clear that everyone in this thread hasn't played deltarune and therefore doesn't know what they are talking about when ever they criticize my favorite game from Toby fox. Also if you didn't understand its because its very often retarded writing its clear you need to reread and or are an ESL.
>>719459518>Roxy is sexy, but when she's not an animatronicWrong
>>719460229why is freddy drinking
>>719448839Deltarune does have Noelle thoughbeit.
>>719460406I wouldn't even rape you
>>719460205Things don't have to be well made to ignite autism. They just have to be interesting.
>>719460503That's ok, she'd fine with watching too.
>>719459454>Toby's JewishAt least I'm starting to understand and realize where the Asgore/Toriel stuff comes from now.
>>719460518Fair
>>719449313This. People were literally filtered by undertale where they couldn't get to sans at all but would play fnaf and enjoy and be able to complete it therefore it spread more + chuck e cheese recognition. You also have the fact that the fandom for tale/rune are way more insufferable as they stem from tumblr/resetera. Deltarune will forever be for retarded trannies while fnaf will go on to be for chads (and furries)
>>719460182Someone remake this meme with Scott since Scott has no shame in his race
>>719444494>fnaf and sequels mogs deltarune and undertalefnaf fags actually believe this
>>719460263Well at least I can say that she's cute>>719460406>sharty lingo
>>719460182No. You are talking about LISA dev from the previous version
>>719460718I'm not even a big fan of fnaf but I would sooner play those games than rpg maker shit
>>719460718This is correct jeet.
>>719460749That's just imageboard slang, anon.
>>719460406She is so fucking breedeable
>>719460796Based
>>719460596Based
>>719460821At this point, it's a bad ironic meme that shartyfags adopted organically and was, in a very retarded way, reintroduced here
>>719460820lel
>>719444494I just don't get this game. I mean, why would you wanna stay?
>play undertale>flower tells me that its a kill or be killed world>goat woman tells me that i should spare defenseless monsters>only kill monsters that want to kill me>I'm called the villain>skeleton fatass tells me that I was only spared back at the beginning because goat woman told him soIs this why liberals hate the concept of self defense? No wonder the term pacifism got butchered during the 2010's
>>719461081Michael Afton is actually doing the irl pacifism run
>>719460839>>719460749Do you think a threesome with Noelle and Roxy would be doable?I know Noelle would be more than willing because she's gay for abusive furry tomboys and straight for autistic human men. Also she's a natural cuck.The question is whether or not Roxy would agree to it. I could see her insecurity working either for or against you here.
>>719461157Roxy is a robot I guess you could program her to be down for whatever
>>719461081Undertale's morality system is the exact same as Bioshock, which is to say it's fucking horrible and pointless. If you're going for the good ending, don't kill anyone. If you're going for the bad ending, kill everyone. There are no deep moral choices to be made. There's no thought-provoking narrative. It's literally just be good or be evil.
>>719460920>age verification censor barskek
>>719460930I don't know or care about its origins. Its common chanspeak now, whether you like it or not.
>>719461157Don't worry, she would. Both of them
>>719461216Assuming you can't just program or mind control her. Any manipulation has to be done the old fashioned way.
>>719461259I literally only did pacifism because I wanted to see asriel because I'd already jacked off to him a thousand times
>>719461324Carol, I understand you forcing Noelle to suck it down for the sake of the bloodline, but how are you getting Roxy to play along?
Roxy isnt a dyke bro
>>719458651>It's because FNAF games were made in a reasonable amount of timei dunno man, the release cycle seems pretty fucking fast>Five Nights at Freddy's (August 8, 2014) [Game]>Five Nights at Freddy's 2 (November 11, 2014) [Game]>Five Nights at Freddy's 3 (March 2, 2015) [Game]>Five Nights at Freddy's 4 (July 23, 2015) [Game]>Five Nights at Freddy's 4: Halloween Edition (October 30, 2015) [DLC]>Five Nights at Freddy's World (January 21, 2016) [Game, spin-off]>Five Nights at Freddy's World: Update 2 (May 13, 2016) [DLC]>Five Nights at Freddy's Sister Location (October 7, 2016) [Game]>Five Nights at Freddy's Sister Location: Custom Night (December 1, 2016) [DLC]>Freddy Fazbear's Pizzeria Simulator (December 4, 2017) [Game]>Ultimate Custom Night (June 27, 2018) [Game]that's four games between 2014-2015 alone. granted the games are pretty mechanically simple, but the guy is a lone developer making all his assets within such a timeframe.
>>719461653She doesn't have to be a dyke to be part of a threesome. She could just be doing it to seek attention and validation from the man in the trio.
I still can't believe that you guys still believe that FNAF's story is better compared to Deltarune's, when FNAF keeps retconing stuff from previous games to add new things that don't make sense and don't fit into the lore meanwhile Deltarune has a linear story that is easy to follow and it doesn't retcon stuff.
>>719461810Does anyone think that. I was under the impression everyone knew Fnaf's story is trash.
>>719461810>>719461917FNAF doesn't have a good story but it knows what it's trying to be at least.
>>719461810fnaf 6's ending goes pretty hard though. the only entry that fucked things up story-wise was sister location.
>>719461810Deltarune keeps spinning it's wheels without going anywhere. Say what you will about Five Night's and it's retconning but it at least adds new stuff for people to learn all the time. That's what keeps people interested.
>>719461989>it knows what it's trying to be at least.No it doesn't. It throws a bunch of shit together and then waits for Matpat (or whoever the hell runs that channel now) to tell it what its about. Or at least it did when its games were worth caring about. I think it has a proper plot now, but its worse than having none at all and the gameplay is terrible, so it doesn't matter.Deltarune has a decent idea of what its doing, its just unwilling to tell us anything more than the bare minimum about what that is beyond the surface level fantasy adventure story, which I think is a good enough story on its own. Certainly better than the schizophrenic mess that is fnaf's plot.
>>719462179I mean just look at the difference in fan speculation. Fnaf fans debate over theories involving timelines, when certain events happened and by/to what character. Deltarune fans argue about shipping and if Kris is even a boy or not. Woah buddy.
>>719462262Ultimately, what I or you think doesn't matter, people eat it up. And before you say relevancy isn't a mark of quality, I would agree but for it to have been over a decade and it still having red hot momentum shows that there is a method to the madness.
>>719462179Deltarune's story is moving along fine. It just feels like its not moving because its an episodic game stuck in development hell, with years long pauses between chapters.And say what you will about Deltarune, but what FNAF did was worse. I will take a million years of waiting before I take even a couple years of sequelitis.
>>719462395Slasher movies have retained a following for decades despite their stories being stupid and nonsensical. People don't play fnaf for the story, they play it to find the story. Its a puzzle they try to solve. What actually happens in the story is irrelevant, all that matters is that its there to find. Its like a jigsaw puzzle, nobody cares about the image on the puzzle, just that they can assemble the pieces together to see it.
>>719461259A lot of the things in this game hinge on the horrible dogshit morality system. The game punishes you for self-defense especially when shits trying to kill you. How fucking retarded do you have to be to make an earthbound-like game and not have the core quality of an earthbound rpg that is killing and saving stuff. Majority of the things trying to kill you are intelligent and can speak yet turn into rabid animals when you fight them instead of pleading for their lives or try to figure out who you are before trying to kill you which could've lead to moral making decisions and make sparing actually meaningful.
>>719462631you missed the point you fucking chud
>>719452927Because they make it up as they go
>>719462680>tumblr tranny seethe instead of explainingalright
>>719462680>its a doggy dog world>*kills in self defense*>NOOOOO NOT LIKE THATkys
>>719462631Anon, the whole point of the game is that you're an all powerful time lord. Self defense doesn't apply here because you can not be threatened by any of these characters. At most they can inconvenience you and even then only barely unless you go out of your way seeking a challenge.
>>719462798>Anon, the whole point of the game is that you're an all powerful time lord.This is when I can't get behind people who think these games are well written either. This is just as dumb as Michael being a zombie.
it sucked
>>719462857How is it dumb? It's a fucking video game. You die and you just reset to your last save.
>>719462963But how was anyone supposed to figure that out? I don't even know if what you're saying is true or if it's just headcanon. And if it is true then it's on the level of having to piece things together in FNAF lore.
>>719462798So basically, retarded mgs1 type meta tricks used to explains away retarded moral writing. gotcha
>>719462179plus, deltarune loreschizos wion't really achieve the same level of autism as fnaf loreschizos anyway. i mean, there is no theory in deltarune that is as actively mindmeltingly and hilariously retarded as reverse dream theory or goddavid. shit, they're still mindbroken over what the fuck midnight motorist even is. i fucking love it>>719462262>its the same 'scott just copied matpat for the lore' copenigga im pretty sure that there's a reason fnaf 4 had that locked box thing. everything from fnaf 1-4 is straightforward and simple. sister location admittedly shat the bed with the lore and muddled things up, but overall the story is simple, its about a lunatic, a child-murdering psycho who goes on a child murder spree and staining the franchise he has made with innocent blood that haunts it in the decades to come, and finally is put to an end as everything that was his legacy burns with him.>>719461259to be fair, undertale's morality system was less about the player's actions but the player's intentions. it's not that murder is bad, its that you actively have to go your way to kill every single monster in the game, even when it's actively detrimental to a neutral run where you're expected to kill some monsters. granted, the fact that the genocide route hides a pretty cool superboss kinda undermines the message, but it does at least try to thematically connect it to you having to try over and over and over to get past it. unlike with spec ops, you had at least some level of agency and thus culpability for your actions. it does actively play with genre expectations, but you're either lying or retarded if you think that the game forces you to use either the violent or the good option each time.>>719462798its not that you, the player character, are a timelord. it's that you, the player, are. it posits that the game world is, itself, a world with people living in it. you have absolute freedom on how to act. but the world will react accordingly.
>>719463048Nta but I think it's going for like an elder scrolls kind of meta? Determination sounds like the dollar store version of CHIM when lore nerds explain it to me
>>719461081Extending my point. In the Undertale verse, humans are supposedly god awfully powerful thanks to their soul. Especially more so if they kill a monster, let alone another human. Its to the point that even a fucking child can take on an entire royal guard army and its king.So what, does the premise only work if the human falls down is a:1. a kind person or a pacifist2. a child3. someone who has never killed beforeSo does this mean if a serial killer falls down, he can just obliterate every monster by just looking at themThen by all accounts, Frisk and by extension Char are fucking jobbers out of their universe full of killers and hardened protagonists but hey its kind of fun to turn them into the Kirby of indie games according to normies
>>719462857I don't see why its dumb The core premise of the game is an RPG where all the RPG mechanics are diegetic elements of the world. That includes you the player, and your uncontested dominance over the world and its timeline through the power saving and loading.>>719463007The game tells you multiple times. It practically beats you over the head with it every time Flowey is on screen.
>>719463048Its an examination of the power your average RPG player holds over the game world, and the moral weight that comes with that power.
>>719463326The moral weight? It's a game
>>7194630614 is where the plot shit the bed. The first 3 were relatively coherent, if very barebones.
>>719463061The only accurate thing Undertale did is the morality of an average human child with time powers.They'd be the type to put the monsters in horrific scenarios because they are 'toys' and just reset
>>719463346A role playing game. You play the role of a character in a world. Part of that is suspending your disbelief and pretending the characters, and all the morality associated with them, are real.
>>719463326Nta, but that sounds like it belongs in a video essay about rpgs rather than a fucking video game.
>>719463192And your point is?
>>719463514I think some of you guys take games too seriously, it's not an actual world and you won't go to hell for doing an evil karma playthrough in new vegas
>>719463514>undertale>roleplaying game
>>719462316Toby weaponized mid 2010's tumblr-era with his character designs and nostalgia bait in order to tell a mid story about a
>>719463530Video essays are lame. If you want to make a point about video games, the best place to do it is in a video game.
>>719463610>about aANON?!
>>719463682Toby Fox killed him before he could finish the post
>>719463653I mean I guess but I think it would require much more talent and subtly to tell it instead of handicapping a game around a morality system
>>719463605Roleplaying isn't about stats and numbers, its about playing a role. Making decisions based on what you would do if you were the character in the game.
>>719463752But you are forced to be chinese dora in undertale
>>719463590>anon doesn't understand the concept of pretending
>>719463789Was Tobyfox inspired by Steven Universe with all the pacifism shit?
>>719463789And you can play that role however you choose. What would you do if you were thrust into the Underground full of all its zany inhabitants?
>>719463850I'd leave
>>719463743It sounds like you just have a blind hatred of morality systems as a concept.
also somewhat unrelated but i really find deltarune to be better in terms of story and themes than undertale. i just find a lot of undertale's dialogue and humour to be 'le quirky' and while deltarune still has that in spades, i don't think it's as egregious as in undertale. granted it may just be because it's new and undertale has its jokes and dialogues stretched out and played to death by the fanbase, but i dunno. i just feel like it's markedly better. also, i like how more insidious the weird route in deltarune is compare to the genocide route in undertale. the fanbase screeching about the deflowering scene are retarded though. fucking hell that was the point.>>719463420there is that bite of '83 debacle, but to be honest it's just as possible to read it as the bite of '87 at the time. admittedly, it's better that scott decided to retcon the 'fnaf is actually just made up by a dying child's dreams' though i think sister location leaning more into the sci-fi does sorta fucks with the lore as it moved away from the paranormal haunted animatronics.
>>719463870Ok, how do you go about leaving?
>>719463752>Roleplaying isn't about stats and numbers, its about playing a roleActually no rpg have and always will encompass numbers of damages and stats as that is how you make decisions. It's pretty funny to me that the game which inspired by earthbound has little rpg elements of earthbound
>>719463943I make like a tree, and get outta there
>>719463928Retconning everything to be a dream is what turned the story from straightforward to a mess and ensured that it would only become a worse mess moving forward.
>>719464023To be fair Scott wanted to end it with 3 (which in my opinion had a fairly satisfying ending)
>>719444494Fnaf has something that appeals to everyone. All of its autism is buried under a solid surface. Toby Fox games are pure autism simulators that your average person won’t touch. Parents will take their kids to a theme park to get scared by the killer bear. They wouldn’t play the weird rpg that’s choc full of intentional gay.
>>719463887No I do not actually. Fallout NV has a much better morality system in that it lets you face the consequences of your actions if you fuck with a faction with no true good ending as its based on player choice. Tale seems to have a morality system that is either good or bad with little to no nuance which tells me its likely for underage.
>>719463946But the numbers only exist to facilitate the role playing. If the role playing can be achieved without the numbers then they can be removed. All RPGs fundamentally trace their lineage to DND, and nobody plays DND for the math.
>>719463943you step out of the exist, stupid. duh! ho hum, are deltrannies really this stupid? can't believe they'd just decide to stay in the cave instead of going out of it! retards!
>>719464085Also I think new vegas makes you face consequences without feeling preachy which is a problem with toby writing
>>719464085Have you actually played Undertale to completion?
>>719464145>Finish genocide ending>Wannabe kid god tells me I've made a mistake and now he le controls the gameIf Toby had the balls, we can beat the shit out of Char and remind him who bought the damn game
>>719464106>>All RPGs fundamentally trace their lineage to DND, and nobody plays DND for the math.>in order to do anything you have to roll a d20>calculate stats based on prior buffs, debuffs>can at anytime use these elements to boost characters and open avenues in storytelling by the dm or do some retarded funny shit
>>719464106>5e tardlmao
>>719464190Anon, murderboy is you. That's what the monologue is about. Its your desire to complete the game, see everything, and do everything, rather than to engage with the story on an emotional level.
>>719464145Yes. I had to play it twice because the game didn't make it clear to that in order for you have a good ending you could not kill anything.>flowey announces its basically a doggy dog world at the start>toriel says dont kill defenseless creature also at startLiterally took this as I need to defend myself and spare animals who are defenseless and got punished for it with sans being a piece of shit about it. Undyne was the only interesting character and I wanted fuck the shit out of her. Fuck this game
>>719464208Do you actually enjoy the math? I just want to go on fantasy adventures. The math is a means to an end, nothing more. If a game can eliminate the math and still have the interactive fantasy story then I consider it an improvement.
>>719451308>unfinished game is unfinishedYou don't say
Even in the last 12 months FNAF had both Into the Pit and Secret of the mimic. In the next few months there’s the second movie, the Joy of Creation remake and Five Laps at Freddie’s to look forward to. There’s a Universal horror attraction you can go visit right now and even a big cross promotion with Fanta. Freddy’s face is on a big name soda can, it’s undeniably the biggest indie hit ever made.
>>719464305Nta but that's dumb
>>719446419What exactly makes Scott Cawthon's charadesign stand out this much?
>>719464367Nta, but I don't understand what your getting at? The math in an rpg is what you use to get to said adventures. That's like saying you want to go places without walking. Have you ever played an RPG before?
>>719464445It refuses to give up the ghost. I stole this from some other anon btw.
>>719464339You might be stupid anon. The game telegraphs the whole way that you can spare these monsters and makes killing them really dissatisfying, then for all the really slow kids it has Sans remind you that you could have spared everyone if you felt like it, and then have an ending that encourages you to replay the game so you can get a better one.You're supposed to get neutral ending then replay the game.
>>719464367>If a game can eliminate the math and still have the interactive fantasy story then I consider it an improvement.basically just more evidence that undertranny is for normalfags by normalfags
>>719464367So basically you just admitted that you would rather play movie games.
>>719464445>>719464516There's also a third movie, because it's going to be a trilogy. The ride never ends
>>719464504Undertale managed to have that same kind of deeply interactive fantasy adventure despite having very little in the way of conventional RPG game mechanics. So in the traveling analogy, Undertale is taking a car to the destination instead of walking there.>Have you ever played an RPG before?I've played all the Fallouts (except Tactics, 76, and that shit PS2 spinoff), both Kotor games, and Deus Ex. I think Undertale captures the narrative part of role playing better than any of them (except maybe New Vegas) because it gives me so much control over the narrative and so much choice in how can act and what I can do in every interaction. The gameplay side is pretty sparse, but being that in control of the narrative, with that much reactivity to even minor decisions more than makes up for it.
>>719464719Movie games have no interactive narrative. They either give you no choice or only the illusion of choice because they have to keep you on rails so the movie can play out.Undertale gives me complete control over where the story goes and isn't afraid to let me completely derail the plot.
>>719444494You know what? It's weird because I thought about this recently. If you only used twitter or 4chan you'd still probably assume undertale or deltarune were the hottest games but no. Look up your average fnaf theory video or fan animation and compare it to deltarune. The gap between the two is so huge it's not even funny.
>>719465174Its probably because most fnaf fans don't have anything to discuss about their games. Deltarune has ships and a cottage industry of schizo theories, rather than the the fnaf animatronics which are all canonically non-romantic murder machines and the theories which are all concentrated into a few big theory channels.
>>719465353>most fnaf fans don't have anything to discuss about their gamesBut how can that even be remotely true when there are so many videos going into it all? Just doesn't add up
>>719465460Youtubers aren't most fans. Most Fnaf theory discussion is a few youtubers talking about the game while their viewers silently listen. Meanwhile Deltarune theory discussion is a million nobodies arguing with each other over Kris's goner hand, eggs, and woody. A big part of that is likely due to the age of the respective fanbases. Fnaf is mostly kids, who are less likely to think deeply about and discuss this sort of stuff, while Deltarune is mostly autistic adults and teenagers, who are very likely to argue days on end about minutia.
>>719465668Honestly if deltarune is adults then that's pretty bad, shipping as an adult is pretty pathetic
>>719465761shipping is just waifufagging with extra steps, and that's something the lonely and autistic are incredibly prone to
>>719465668FNAF is older than Undertale, I don't doubt both have largely kid audiences but it's safe to say they're both overrun by zoomers and most zoomers are adults now.
>>719465910Shipping is waifufagging for the underaged
>>719444494he have ideaidea was a successnotice this and squeeze it to its last dropsleaves just in timethe actual indiedev dream
>>719444494Why did that purple nigga kill them kids anyways?
>>719463840if you feel stupid or like a huge hypocrite.remenber that there are people who hates steven universe for the same reason they love Undertale
>>719466314to extract their youth.idk i didn't get past the first game
>>719466375You're not that far off honestly>>719466314He was trying to figure out how to achieve immortality, essentially
>>719466314Sociopathy. He was scaming and extorting business partners even before anyone died
>>719444494Scott believes in God, not like the kike degenerate T*by
>>719466314he did it for himselfhe liked it, he whas good at it
>>719466712And... really... I was undead
>>719466087You say that until a series you're invested in starts teasing romance between characters.
>>719466000Counting the demo, Undertale is a year older than FNAF. Anyways, more kids are into FNAF than Undertale, which was my point, mainly due to Scott Marketing it towards kids. Kids tend to not engage critically with media they enjoy. Fnaf as it exists now doesn't lend itself well to critical analysis either.
>>719466314for the lulz
>>719467202I like romance but deltarune has terrible romance. It's just will they won't they shit. Prime bait for shipfags
>>719467292You've clearly not spent any amount of time in /utg/. And that's probably for the best.
Security Breach is my favorite FNAF game. I will be taking questions at this time.
>>719468293Is it mainly because of the waifurs?
My name is Edwin, and I invented post ironic humor.
>>719468802no it's almost entirely the futurist 80s setting, however given the chance I would cuck roxy by arranging a threesome with her and chica then spending the entire time talking about how great chica was
>>719468963>SpoilerOk thats just cruel, but now that I know of your fantasy I have the same fantasy too
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>>719444494Honestly, got bored of the loreslop after 4. I don't see how anybody but children likes the series in its current form.
I like both but Henry's speeches in FPS are more kino than anything in Deltarune so far>Connection terminated.
>walking simulators that are tall enough for the games rideDear Esthers, surely our games have more interesting things than.. words?YOU WILL NEVER BE A REAL VIDYA
>>719453026Yeah, there's a hell of a lot more to toby's games than FNAF.
>>719463326Moon did the same thing but better 10 years earlier by making the game world feel real and all the NPCs having schedules and lives of their own.
>>719472431Moon does fine on that idea until the ending of the game because by then you should be going outside fostering actual relationships instead of playing video games all day. Worrying about a bunch of npcs that were programmed to get mass slaughtered is what would get you a bad ending, in trying to aim for a better ending. The moral weight stops existing because it argues you should just drop the game, because it's not real. Even if you sit down and have all these schedules jotted down, it's never going to be real.Moon is an anti-rpg. It mocks those concepts. It doesn't embrace it with sincerity, because it's not real.
>>719444494Because it's primarily popular with actual children instead of people that act like or groom children.
>>719444494Because Crusader Man-of-God Scott is based and Fnaf is about defending children from pedo weirdos (and the reprocusions of when society fails) and after the original series was complete and people moved on he let the Jews take over the meaningless sloppy-second of scraps as he railroaded his wife to have tons of children
>>719444494>Is it because you wanna fuck the animatronics? Yes
>>719474895off model garbage
>>719450725Toby is a european style christian rather than a puritan or evangelical sect. Aka: He's sane rather than a frothing at the mount chaos cultist doomsday seeker.
>>719464445>the Joy of Creation remakeThat's a thing? I remember the original was quite neat.
>>719478575https://store.steampowered.com/app/2948730/THE_JOY_OF_CREATION/it has a demo
