>tried playing a pyromancer on my first playthrough but gave up on it because as a noob it was easier to just be a rog mode tank because I didn't where to find the good spells and I found it clunky to swap spells and to a weapon as needed >now after a few playthroughs of the game under my belt I am trying a pyromancer for real this time and I'm VERY impressed >I'm absolutely melting bosses and I have monstrous aoe>if I run out of casts or have to deal with a fire resist enemy I have my trusty murakumo>didn't even farm souls to ascend the flame early or to get the dragoncrest ring, haven't even bothered getting dusks hat yet>still extremely impressed by my damage People who say sorcery is easy mode are kidding themselves. I remember seeing people say one of the best parts of pyromancy is that you don't need to level up for it, which always confused me because well you still need to spend souls. But now I understand, the fact that I don't need to level means my levels are extremely cheap, so I can easily tank up. I can currently light roll in full elite knights, a mage isn't going to get to do that type of thing until maybe NG+ or something, they just can't spare the levels
>>719457456I always hated how Dark Souls 1 and 2 designed pyromancies
>>719457586Elaborate because they are basically the exact opposite
>>719457693>No stat requirements>Only 1 damage type
>>719458080>Only 1 damage type>PyromancyGood for you it doesn't have any Intelligence requirements.
>>719457586DS1 pyro was no stats needed. DS2 pyro was secondary damage type damage for hex builds.
>>719458414Great combustion alone makes pyromancers good in DS2
>>719458338What damage types do Pyromancies have in DS1 and DS2?
>>719459167fire (obviously) physical (black flame) poison damage (poison and toxic mist) and dark (outcry)
Pyromancy is really absurd in Demon's Souls and if I played the PS version first I'd be more inclined to try it in the Dark Souls trilogy until later playthroughs, outside of the like 2 bosses that are immune that one the witch sells you just melts everything
>>719458080>No stat requirementsReaching a +15 flame costs way more than just getting a base staff and levelling INT until soft cap Mag Adjust, and pyro absolutely sucks in DS2 without a solid 30 INT and FAI for scaling.
>>719459412>physical (black flame)Black flame does mostly fire damage>and dark (outcry)Useless
>>719459538Oh I forgot about the ascended path you also need that costs way more.>hey guys no stat requirements just need a shitload of the stuff you use for stats
>>719458080>No stat requirementsThat's because you're mentally stunted when it comes to the lore. Unlike faith where it's powered by stories, or magic where it's commanded by intelligence, pyromancy has the aspect of life, where you cradle the flame like a newborn in your hand. Why would you need to pump souls into your body when the pyromancy flame exists outside of you.People like you are the reason Fromsoft makes stupid changes down the line. You never stop to think that there's a reason for a mechanic to deviate from the norm, denying everyone the nuance to figure something out through environmental story telling.Also all your webms that you have created and posted over the years are shit. They bore me to no end and make you look like a total scrub.
>>719459726>They don't count ok!Even with your nitpicking fire and poison damage are more than 1 damage type
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>>719457456pyro runs are the most fun. But I feel like I'm cheesing the game when I do it.
>>719459538>Reaching a +15 flame costs way more than just getting a base staff and levelling INT until soft cap Mag AdjustWho cares? You get to have an endgame build scot-free.>>719459842>poison damage Poison is not a damage type, it's counted as auxiliary effect>>719459803Nobody gives a fuck, you stupid retard. Why would you need to "pump souls" into your body to swing a knife better? You don't "pump souls", you use them with humanity in bonfires in order to warp your own soul as stronger.Also sorcery ("magic" is not a thing) is the academic study of the crystallization of souls, while miracles are tales of the Gods and their control over time and the First Flame, with the Way of the White stmbol being the Darksign for a reason. Humanity's affinity with pyromancy doesn't mean you don't need to have a powerful soul to cast it. It means you don't need a catalyst like the Witches of Izalith did. The reason you don't need to level Intelligence and Faith in Dark Souls isn't for lore, but because it was badly designed around attunement restrictions.Don't try to teach lore to me, shitstain
>>719460936An auxiliary effect that causes a damage type different from fire because fire immune enemies can be damaged by poison and poison immune enemies can be damaged by fire. Therefore DS1 and DS2 pyros can deal more than 1 damage type (not counting physical and dark because you love to nitpick)
>>719460936>Nobody gives a fuck, you stupid retard. Why would you need to "pump souls" into your body to swing a knife better? You don't "pump souls", you use them with humanity in bonfires in order to warp your own soul as stronger.>Also sorcery ("magic" is not a thing) is the academic study of the crystallization of souls, while miracles are tales of the Gods and their control over time and the First Flame, with the Way of the White symbol being the Darksign for a reason.>Humanity's affinity with pyromancy doesn't mean you don't need to have a powerful soul to cast it. It means you don't need a catalyst like the Witches of Izalith did. The reason you don't need to level Intelligence and Faith in Dark Souls isn't for lore, but because it was badly designed around attunement restrictions.>Don't try to teach lore to me, shitstainMan, you really are shit when it comes to lore. I won't tackle each point because it's a waste of time, but I will say this just so everyone knows you're shit:>the Way of the White symbol being the Darksign for a reasonThe Way of White symbol is a white circlet. It isn't the Darksign. The ring of fire around the dark sigil is of Gwyn's making. The Way of White isn't Gwyn's faction, it's Allfather Lloyd's.
>>719460936Oh, and your webms are still scrublord shit.
>>719459412Go cast Black Flame vs a fire immune boss (Qulaag, Ceasless, Centpede Demon) and tell me how much damage you do.
I have a lore questionWhat the fuck happens in the ds3 ending where the fire keepr starts to put out the fire and then you kick her ass and take the embers?
I hate ds3 pyromancies because it introduced flame fan and boulder vomit which are sexy, but made firestorm and chaos firestorm completely unusable trash. Ds1 and 2 had the most overall fun pyros. Love me forbidden sun, fire snake, dance of fire, black flame, firestorm
>>719463761demons souls reference you could do the same thing. you take power for yourself
>>719461317>Uhhh alkthually, you can use meme poison spells (that are worse than just spamming other forms of poisons with no requirements) and there's 1 endgame dlc spell with some dark damage >>719462856>You are wrong but I won't explain whyLol>The Way of White isn't Gwyn's faction, it's Allfather Lloyd's.>The Way of White symbol is a white circlet. It isn't the Darksign. Yes it is. The White Halo was adopted by Allfather Lloyd and not Gwyn because Lloyd became King after Gwyn linked the Fire, because it represents the control of the Gods over the First Flame thanks to the sacrifice of Gwyn. The flaming Darksign is just a weakening of this bind, growing thin and allowin flickering flames to escape, while White Light represents the very divine power Gwyn used to link the Fire.
>Using pyromanciesYou just lost the game.
>>719463704They wouldn't know because most of /v/ is retards that only do Red*it Guts builds
>>719464336Was this supposed to prove anything? Ds3 spells are lame af.
>>719457456>>719457456>>719457456>>719457456https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6sh_RD93Zvo
