Having just played through MGS Delta, I'm ready to finally jump into the series, the question I have is what is the best way to play MGS 1 and 2. I know we just had a release on PC but I've seen some complaints that it's even inferior to emulating. Is emulating the PS1 and PS2 version the way to go? what about the versions on GOG, are they bad? Or maybe emulating the PS3 collection, if that's possible.
just turn your brain off and play the official collection. you bought delta at launch, you already know you don't really care.
>>719458759I think with the fan patches the collection is probably the way to go these days
>>719458759The HD collection emulates perfectly on Xenia canary, you don't have to pay a dime to play them
>>719461329That game doesn't have MGS1 but it sounds like it could be the best way to play MGS2 and Peace Walker.
>>719461405MGS1 was never meant to be played outside of the psxJust emulate them
>>719458759>Is emulating the PS1 and PS2 version the way to go?yeahuse PCSX2 or parralel-GS all other ports have issues and mods don't really fix them all
>>719458759Best way would be playing all of them on a real PS2, so you also get the original pressure sensitive controls. PS3 + LEGACY COLLECTION would be the close 2nd and the best way to get ALL games on a single system.MGS4 is still a PS3 exclusive and quite hard to emulate. Which ever way you go, do play them in RELEASE ORDER. You already goofed by playing the (shitty demake of) 3 first.Up to you whether to start with the 2D MSX Metal Gear games or jump straight to MGS1, but the 80s games are worth checking out. The MGS1 has okay summaries of both on its main menu, alongside with the cool BRIEFING FILES story videos that too many newbies skip.In ALL past MGS games case, do start by reading the MANUAL. Follow it by taking a few rounds in the VR Training, so you learn the moves before jumping into the campaign. And yes, the PS2 OG MGS3 or Subsistence is worth playing. These are some of the most replayable games of all time.
>>719464101this is cringeportable ops was better than PW and V and it made more sense in the canon
>>719458759>MGS1Emulate>MGS2Master collection and if you want a resolution mod
>>719464143Fuck off faggot. PO was god awful fanfic, that did irreparable damage to the saga. Kojima spent years trying to fix that mess, and eventually KONAMI wrote it off from the canon.PW is also one of the best games in the series, and the true MGS5.
>>719464279You haven't even spent ten seconds thinking about this, I doubt you even played it. You're also full of shit, Konami has always said it was canon and even Kojima said it was mostly canon.
>>719464279>PW is also one of the best games in the series, and the true MGS5.also kill yourself, this is such a god awful opinionshit story and shit gameplay
>>719464484Little zoomer summer nigger, I have bought and played EVERY SINGLE Metal Gear game as they originally came out. Including the PO+, which was underwhelming. I have well over 400 hours clocked to Peace Walker.>>719464528Go troon elsewhere. PW has fun gameplay, great story, and it's the best Outer Heaven sim.PW was THE reason all of us MGS fans were originally excited for the MGS5.I also pity the GenA toddlers who missed the /v/'s coop nights.
>>719464101>Best way would be playing all of them on a real PS2, so you also get the original pressure sensitive controls. Dont fall for this meme, mgs2 and mgs3 have absolutely abysmal controlsThe collection you already bought is just emulating mgs1. So you could just play that. If you want improved emulation you could use duckstation and fix the wobbly geometry/textures, play at a higher resolution, and I dont know if there is a hack that enables higher framerate or not
>>719458759Get the master collection and these patches:https://github.com/nuggslet/MGSM2Fixhttps://github.com/Lyall/MGSHDFixThe dev for MGSM2Fix is working on adding PGXP too.There's also some good mods for MGS2/3 here: https://www.nexusmods.com/games/metalgearsolid2mc/collections/sciij3/modshttps://www.nexusmods.com/games/metalgearsolid3mc/collections/lktj1v/mods
Fuck y'all I'm just going to play The Twin Snakes. It must be the same story so I'm sure it'll be fine.
>>719464809>PW was THE reason all of us MGS fans were originally excited for the MGS5.And look how that turned out, faggot. I was saying since day 1 it was going to be shit because I actually like MGS unlike you autistic bootlickers that enjoy bad games.
>>719465004>mgs2 and mgs3 have absolutely abysmal controlsThey do not. They just are NOT shooty tooty action games like Delta or V.Imagine being so bad at vidya that the whole idea of having to learn a new gameplay style terrifies you...>>719465207That was all because Jewnami's tampering. Twice they halted the development of V in the early 2010s, all because the boomer execs wanted to stop making AAA video games and instead focus on gambling biz.PW and GZ were still magnificent, and a great way to end the BB's tale.
>>719465127This is bad advice. You'll spend hours modding and the games will still be worst than just emulating.
>>719458759MGS1 on Duckstation. Plays way better than the MC, also gives you the option to overclock the PS1 cpu for a consistent 30fps, MGS1 has a lot of drops so this is a nice upgrade and at least to my knowledge it doesn't create any issues. Also gives you the option to use things like a widescreen hack and PGXP, higher resolution if you want to go that route. But seriously avoid the Master Collection version of mgs1, don't assume it's "fine", just do not play it. It's so easy to emulate even if you don't bother with any of the settings I just mentioned it's superior to the MC.
>>719466052also if you're a turbo normie that got intimidated by the word "overclocking" It's a slider and software side on the emulator, has nothing to do with your actual hardware.
>>719461405>>719458759Master Collection "works" but they have visual and audio issues fans are gradually fixing. They're not bad, but they're flawed; you have to go in knowing what you're in for. If you're going the emulation route>MGS1PS1 emulator like Mednafen, Duckstation, Beetle PSX on Retroarch; don't bother with PC port on GOG, it's kind of jank ass shit even if playable. after patching, Master Collection version has an option to make its timing better than the shit awful delay the game has by default, but sound emulation is off>MGS2&3 bothPCSX2 or HD Collection via RPCS3/Xenia Canary. if you try PCSX2 it will require commands in the controls to deal with pressure sensitive buttons and ways to "fake" them because modern controls don't do this unless you have a PS3 controller lying around and convoluted bullshit drivers to work it with PCSX2; HD collection works with simple button methods, but is lacking some of the content like Guy Savage, Secret Theater, Snake vs. Monkey. Master Collection is generally playable, but loads of little weird things like wrong audio, lower quality audio, all sorts of cutscene effects being incorrect, the works. MGSFIX or whatever it was called is trying to gradually unfuck this>Peace WalkerPPSSPP is a great emulator, but you'd be playing a chunky version of the game with lower quality visuals and no second analog stick, plus the 60 FPS hack online breaks some content. HD Collection version is simply great all around, smooth 60, analog camera and aiming controls, the works, though it's still a PSP game at heart and will feel like it.Any other games like MG1 and 2, which can be played via BlueMSX, the NES games which have obvious answers, play fine regardless of the release you do, though later ports of the MSX games play differently than the actual originals due to being mobile recreations of them ported to the collections. Ghost Babel, Acid, Portable Ops- all that shit is emulation only for now.
>>719465453Autism speaks
>>719466343>Master Collection version has an option to make its timing better than the shit awful delay the game has by defaultNTA, but what are you referring to here? I haven't heard about this
>>719461329You can pirate Master Collection as well, you fucking retard.Why do you people have to go through mental gymnastics to experience the game in sub optimal way?
>>719465656MGSHDFix makes 2 and 3 more faithful than PCSX2 and even more faithful than Substance on actual PS2.
>>719467003Maybe I was wrong, I could've sworn there was an option added to MGS1 on the MC that would fix the input lag at the cost of more processing power, but apparently that never existed and I'm not seeing any posts anywhere about it. Maybe I'm going insane. I know at launch the input lag was just flat out horrendous but now people act like it's apparently not bad?
>>719467435No it doesn't it just fixes some things nobody cares about
>>719467435>MGSHDFix makes 2 and 3 more faithful than PCSX2Why are you lying? Nothing fixes the broken post-processing and audio in those ports.
>>719464279Kojimas son likes PO
>>719467617The broken skyboxes in 2 since original Substance release on Xbox in the opening of Big Shell is shit no one cares about, yet you people cried for over a decade like the end of the world about overblown bloom in HD Collection, which is also broken on PCSX2, and was finally officially fixed in Master Collection.>>719467732Why are you lying?https://www.nexusmods.com/metalgearsolid2mc/mods/3https://www.nexusmods.com/metalgearsolid3mc/mods/4All you need is those mods and MGSHDFix and you're playing the definitive way to play MGS2 and definitive way to play MGS3 for story.
>>719465656>Download and extract the .dll to the executable directory, change one line from false to true forh high resolution in the .ini, and start playing vs>download and install the emulator, source/download the game isos, source/download the correct ps1/ps2 bios files, wade through the emulator graphics options (select the correct renderer, select the correct texture filtering, select the correct dithering, select the correct scaling, select PGXP and make sure to select the correct PGXP options, install the widescreen hack and select the correct aspect ratio), set the overclock option so you don't run into any crashes or issues, configure the controller options (handle pressure sensitive controls) and select the correct controller and audio driver, etc.Emulation is fine if you've already set it up before to play other games and you are used to it, otherwise MC is just easier to set up and play.The mods are just small mods to improve a couple textures here and there, restore some posters, change green cross back to red. None of them necessary. The only mods that might be worth it from that list are the audio improvement mod and maybe crouch-walk for mgs3 (which you can't do through emulation - unless you're emulating the 3ds version).>>719467474You're not, in controller options there's an option for control response time being fast or stable. I don't know what it actually does under the hood though.
>>719467903>yet you people cried for over a decade like the end of the world about overblown bloom in HD Collection, which is also broken on PCSX2, and was finally officially fixed in Master Collection.What is this schizo talking about? The only version aside from PS2 that has proper bloom is PCSX2.
>>719467903>definitive way to play MGS2Can you aim with your mouse in first person?
>>719467903>Why are you lying?I'm not. Better =/= proper. It's broken with no fix.
>>719468002>The only version aside from PS2 that has proper bloom is PCSX2.Shut the fuck up, you fucking retard, because you either didn't play the game on PS2 or PCSX2, or you're fucking blind and pretend to care about details.
>>719468074I won't. I don't care if that part is still broken. The 99% of the game looks good unlike the dog shit ports of the game that look wrong 99% of the time.
>>719466052wtf that looks amazing
>>719468047Since update 2.0, yes, vanilla.
>>719468320Is it ACTUAL raw mouse input or is it god awful analog emulation mouse input like the MGS3 HD collection?
>>719458759Either play the HD version on consoles or emulate it on RPCS3 or play each game via emulators, skip Master Collection, it's awful.>MGS1 on Duckstationlooks, runs and plays better than the 'Master' Collection in every possible way>MGS2 Substance on PCSX2You get the MGS2 Skateboarding mode>MGS3 Subsistance on PCSX2 or HD versionHD version lacks Guy Savage dream sequence and Ape Escape missions, also the people that worked on MGS3HD fucked up the bloom, so the bloom is overdone>MGS4 on RPCS3you need a good PC to run it.>MGS PW HD on RPCS3HD has better controls than PSP version and looks better>MGSV on PCTons of mods>MGS Portable Ops on PPSSPPthis game is canon but the way the events happened in the game are not, whatever the fuck that means>Metal Gear Rising on PC->MGS VR Missionsif you like MGS1's gameplay you can get more of it through this.>Documents of MGS2if you're interested in the making of the game, it has a lot cool stuff>Metal Gear Solid Ghost BabelUnderrated Game Boy Color game, not canon but it can be if you want, still fun, vaguely referenced in 4.>Metal Gear Ac!d 1 and 2Takes place in a different Timeline after MGS1. PSP Card game->MG1if you have the patience, I know most people nowadays don't.>MG2proto MGS1 but in 2D, great game, improved on everything from MG1.>Snake's Revengenot canon, not even made by Kojima, MG2 was made after Snake's Revenge as a response to Snake's Revenge. It's usually disliked or brushed off, could be fun if you want to try it out, nothing special and has no relevance to anything in any other game whatsoever.>mgs1/2: Bande Dessine or whateverjust retellings of mgs1 and 2 in digital comic form with the french name of comic books attached to it.>MGS Twin Snakesremake of mgs1, worse soundtrack, art direction, voice acting and cutscenes direction, but it plays like mgs2 so it's fun, lots of people dislike it, others like it, others only like it for the mgs2 gameplay, easier than mgs1
>>719468689>skip Master Collection, it's awful.Retard
>>719468261Yeah MGS1 has great art design that really holds up at higher resolutions.
>>719468689>so the bloom is overdonerather than overdone it's just not there and the colors are fucked up
>>719468738Don't bother, the retards here are so obsessed with their opinions forumated in 2012 on the PS3 release that they can't accept reality. They think slightly worse bloom is a game breaker but the entire final act of the game running at 20 FPS because the shit engine can't handle Grozny Grad is totally fine
>>719468738that's right though, it's inexcusable how much they fucked up the sound
>>719468912see >>719467903It's non issue with a fix.
>>719468935there is no fix
>>719468989There's no fix to PCSX2, RPCS3 and Xenia issues either, making Master Collection with 2 fixes the best way to play the game.
>>719469028>There's no fix to PCSX2Not broken. Wouldn't play the others since they're emulating broken ports.
>>719469071>Not broken.How many times are you going to make post the same picture again?The funny thing is that MGSHDFix adjusted some timings to be on par with actual PS2 hardware, since they used some hardware slowdowns on PS2 for certain things, which PCSX2 can't cope with.
>>719469071>>719469183And here's the "broken" Master Collection
>>719469183>muh 1 second glitchIt's not broken, you just have autism.
mgs 2 original pc port is the superior version after a patch. even has subsistence camera if you really want
>>719469247>It's not broken, you just have autism.Aren't you the one who claims that PCSX2 is the most faithful?
>>719469347Yes I am and I'm not wrong. You're complaining about something insanely minor.
>>719469442>>719469442>You're complaining about something insanely minor.It's the literal reason people used to downplay the original HD Collection and advocated to use PCSX2, even back when it had completely broken post-process effects.Why change of hearts?
>>719468801I legitimately thought you were swapping it out with TS till I looked closer. Damn.
>>719469527So you're a schizo? No argument in sight.
>>719469603>So you're a schizo?What kind of argument is that?
>>719469228>>719469527So the file.jpg is fake, since you posted the actual Master Collection picture...? What the fuck is this autist babbling about?
>>719467903whatever this mod does, it clearly fucks with mgs2 in a bad way though. Top on PCSX2 looks way better than the oversharpened and weirdly bright bottom.
>>719469645You're the only one talking about that scene and you're talking about made up "people" living rent free in your head. You're clearly schizophrenic.
>>719465194It is, but the cutscenes are like a Bollywood movie. I like it more than MGS1 because the engine is good and it's fun to play
>>719469689Only the PS2 versions look coherent and correct graphically.
>>719469715You also pretend that broken skyboxes in MGS2 are nothingburger. What's your excuse?You call me autistic for pointing out obvious issues, yet your only argument in defending PCSX2 is audio, which after the fix mod in Master Collection on PC is indistinguishable from the real thing, unless have literal autism and compare it side by side.
>all these autists insisting on emulatingWhat if people don't want to emulate & install tons of fixes, it's kind of a pain in the ass that I'd rather pay money to solve. If the HD collections aren't good enough you should just say to play the original PS2 versions and then promptly shut the fuck up.
>>719469886I don't even know what you're talking about you fucking sperg. You clearly don't have an argument and are just trying to downplay the entire games being fucked up.
>>719470116> play the original PS2 versionsYou mean where you just press F9 on the emulator?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/b5U-5-JFiJU
>>719470326I can buy all the PS2 MGS games physically for less than 5 bucks
>>719470254>I don't even know what you're talking aboutBecause you don't care about these games and you're spreading misinformation, just because there's a possibility of buying these DRM free re-releases on modern platforms, which is fucking retarded.
>>719464101>PS2 OG MGS3 or Subsistence is worth playing. These are some of the most replayable games of all time.Doesn't this shit have unskippable cutscenes?
>>719470527You can also download them for free.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KT5oXC1Mt1E
>>719458759Master Collection is fine.
>>719470618>another 1 second issue nobody even knows about>ignoring that all of the colors, audio, and lighting is fucked upThis is just sad. Did you make the mod or are you just a seething retard?
>>719470734Nobody cares, we only need to know what version works correctly
>>719470861>ignoring that all of the colors, audio, and lighting is fucked upThe only thing you mentioned that is actually real is audio, and once again, after the fix mod it's near indistinguishable from the real thing.You're a genuine autismo if you can notice the difference in the audio
Is there an undub mod?
>>719470986It's all real and your own images demonstrated that.>it doesn't matter that the audio is objectively worse you're autistic :((((((((What a shit eater you are.
>>719471095>it doesn't matter if the skyboxes are broken, completely changing the game's mood and environmental story telling
>>719471186>completely changing the game's moodYeah sure, for one second. And not even Kojima noticed, just you.Meanwhile you'll brush off all color, all lighting, and all audio being objectively worse and broken. Holy shit.
Master Collection.https://youtu.be/CwgWJgc58_4Upscaling issues for MGSM2Fix are already fixed.
Never knew that the MGS 1-3 "which version should I play" situation was in such an absolute state.I thought Halo: Combat Evolved had it bad with all of its bonked ports and subsequent re-releases.
>>719471298Nothing fixes the ports.>>719471332Halo's was based since you can swap the builds with a button. That feature is always cool.
>>719471263>And not even Kojima noticed, just you.Kojima was working for Konami when HD Collection came out, so that's perfectly adequate way to play the game according to your own logic, since Master Collection is just improved HD Collection.
Reminder pcsx2 devs actually lurk /v/ for any threads to shill their emulator
>>719471431>the schizo rears his head again and is saying random shit I never saidAll the ports are trash, you emulate the originals if you want the best experience.
>>719471525But Substance has more content that Sons of Liberty
>>719471332It's a common story for 6th gen games. PS2 games especially since it had pretty unique hardware for doing certain effects. Silent Hill, and DMC ports were also fucked for example. For Halo, there isn't really an excuse though. Gearbox were just incompetent/rushed
>>719471332Halo is easy. Just get the MCC. The enhancements are too much to ignore even with any hiccups.MGS has so many fucked up releases. It would have been fucking nice if the Master collection were definitive versions.
>>719471652All of the Persona re-releases sucked too. Aside from the FPS lock I think only Okami made it out of the PS2 unscathed.
>>719471717I've never seen anyone complain about the Katamari re-releases. Or maybe they are just too niche for anyone to care to look for differences.
>>719471853>Or maybe they are just too niche for anyone to care to look for differences.Probably this, but maybe they're good too.Also kind of unrelated but the PC ports for EDF were super based.
>>719471401>>719471697Very true, and it's nice that someone (some people?) eventually managed to fix most of the Halo CE effects issues through mods.
>>719471017Please don't force me to make my own thread asking
>have to turn the graphics all the way down during the bike chase for some reason or else my PC will turn off>it isn't temps or usage, decided to ask ai sloppa and it claims its a known thing to happen for some people rarely with UE5What the fuck. I've delt with silly shit like a Vista update that caused my computer to BSOD anytime a mouse was plugged in or unplugged, but I've never had a game cause my pc to crash, flicker then turn back on
>>719471927I'm not giving money to 343/halo studios when fans are the ones fixing their fuck ups
>>719458759>played the inferior version of Snake Eater>still cares about inferiority of portslol
>>719458759How to play the 25 year old series? You missed out. It will never be as good as it was when it was new. You will never be a mgs fan. You will never be a kid playing this game which is the only way to really enjoy them. Find something else.
