You're going to have to make the switch eventually to the superior operating system.
Yeah i am already when Windows goes live service.
>>719459287It's been decades. If Linux wasn't also garbage it'd be #1 by now. Fagware
>>719459287i switched 5 years ago
>>719459287Install CachyOS
It's unfortunate that new games suck but it made it easy to switch
>>719459287No.
>>719459287I have no desire to be fitted for rainbow striped socks.
Sure. When I need a GPU upgrade so I don't have to deal with nvidia driver bullshit I'll consider it but for now I'm not into the idea of grabbing a new one.
>>719462585this isn't 2010. nvidia just werks now
>>719459442it is #1 though>phone and server doesn't count!elaborate
>>719462870Yeah horse fucking shit, 3 weeks ago I played around with my AMD and nvidia GPUs on CachyOS and found out that it just fucking doesn't. Dishonest pricks.
>>719462967What concrete problem did you have?
>>719463024Let's see>HDR doesn't work anywhere outside KDE Plasma (so it doesn't work on Hyprland, it doesn't work on GNOME Wayland)>I either take the refresh rate down 1/3 on my display or I cannot use adaptive sync, because otherwise I'll get black screens (no matter if I use HDMI or DP)>Random screen artifacts when showing tooltips, resizing windows, all sorts of stuff really (that only go away by disabling DSC so I have to drop my refresh rate even further)>Firefox Wayland with fractional scaling breaks font renderingAll problems I don't have on my older AMD GPU. I took the time to switch GPUs just for this bullshit and I found out the hard way.In order for nvidia to sort of work I have to use X11. If I use X11 there is no HDR. Besides undervolting nvidia GPUs on linux is a fucking mystery. So I'm not using it at all, eat dick
>>719462967did you install the OS, or did you run it off the usb? the live usb usually doesn't have nvidia drivers installed
>>719463363>not nvidias fault that other de/wms are shit>works fine for me with a 4090 + pg32ucdp>werkz 4 me>didnt tryDid you use the open or closed nvidia driver? Im using the closed one with gsp off and dont have any problems except the dx12 performance hit.
>>719463974Open and closed, enabling or disabling GSP has been doing the same exact fucking shit for like half a year now.
When will GOG support Linux the same way valve does?
>>719459287I have never had a Linux install last longer than 1 year without breaking in a way that I can't fix. Most distros last half that time or less.Linux sucks ass and will continue to suck until devs realise that placing the burden of upkeep on the user is a self-defeating dead-end in software engineering.
>>719459349>implying it hasn't been live service since windows 10
>>719459287Tried it multiple times. Hell even my gacha runs better than on Windows. But the font rendering kills it everytime for me. I have a 1080p monitor and Windows is so much better at font rendering at low res it singlehandedly kills Linux for me
Just wanna let new people to Linux know that I have tried every single distro you can think of, I have distrohopped the most (changing distros), we are talking even multiple times a day. The ONLY distro I come back to is Zorin OS. It has to be the best one for newcomers. It has a paid version (don't need it), but core version has everything you need. If you pay for it you can call Zorin for support and I've heard they are great.Anyways, its the only distro I come back to. Just letting you know. I prefer it over Mint too.
why switch i can just run it as a subsystem on windows lol, ill never get how people think using other OSs means you gotta switch or migrate. just integrate the features you want and move on.
where can i download linux linux? i don't want ubuntu or gnome
>>719459287And remember, linux does what windon't
>>719464835The idea is to get away from all the shitty things Windows does and will do in the future, as well as for hardware that isn't allowed to run Windows 11 (for arbitrary reasons), or even Windows 10 for some older systems.Of course in doing so you trade one bag of shit for a slightly different bag of shit, but the Linux subsystem isn't really helpful if you specifically want to get away from Windows.
>>719462460no more brother wars
>>719464593Skill issue. I have been using the same distro for 4 years since I built a new PC.
>>719464790>distrohoppedOnly new users do that. Both Zorin and Mint are based on Ubuntu so what works on one also works on the other.Once you reach intermediate level you will be able to change your desktop to anything.
>>719465041I'm not downloading an OS someone else made because I'm skilled, the whole point of this is that I can't code, I'm not a software engineer or developer, I'm not a hacker. Stop expecting users to be skilled, we by and large ARE NOT. If I was, I'd skip Linux and build my own OS from scratch Terry Davis-style.
>>719465251>Once you reach intermediate level you will be able to change your desktop to anything.I think under 1% of new users will reach that stage. I have used Linux for 3 years and will never do that. Some just want something easy, and after extensive testing for years that's Zorin.
>>719465336Yes, we got it, you're brown.
>Spider-Man the Moviegame can't recognize cd2>Okay I'll just copy the files>Crack needs 1.3 patch>1.3 patch needs the game "installed">Okay I make the registry keys from Lutris patch (it ask where you want to install, so dunno why it needs registry key)>Patch and crack works game launches>Cutscenes don't work and for widecreen the game needs hex editingMeanwhile the game just works with PCSX2 with widecreen hack>>719463363>HDRmeme feature>adaptive syncI never understood this. Redpill me about it (I use a 240hz monitor btw)>Random screen artifactsI've never seen this.>WaylandWayland sucks ass, don't use it.
>>719464897https://github.com/torvalds/linux
>>719459287Fuck off we're full. Keep using windows and go away
>>719465336You don't have to be uncle Terry, Linux from scratch exists.The grave mistake new users do is downloading a rolling release distro and not using timeshift to back up their system regularly. Rolling release O/S ALWAYS brake, windows 10 is rolling and it breaks all the time.Since 2015 i have used 2 versions of Mint and it never broke, i do mean never. In a case someday it does i always back up before updating critical system components. Timeshift gives you the option to boot in your previous system with 2 keystrokes. Of course i know all that because i am a hacker!
>>719465375Enlightened take.I tried Zorin a long time ago when it was new and dropped it fairly quickly, can't remember why. I will give it another go.>>719465514Try again, mutt. Or is it Rajesh? Perhaps Chang? In any case, I'm whiter than you.
>>719464160nigga just install heroic gog galaxy sucks balls anyway
No, linux sister. No.
>>719465748No, linux sister. No.
>>719464790can zordon tell me how to become a power ranger?
>>719465902Why not brotha?
>>719465375Heh, there is no distro shaming, you can use whatever you like for your own reasons. If you do have an interest in computing Linux lets you do as you like, from messing with the configs to changing desktop.
Windows bros, I can't believe Microsoft wiped all the user's data again. Why is this keep happening to us?
>>719466191It detected your yellowness and responded accordingly.
>>719465336>I'm not downloading an OS someone else madebill gates, is that you?
>>719466191It's because you installed 11 instead of 10 LTSC, retard.
>>719466297>you installed the wrong distroHow was I supposed to know? Ranjeesh kept telling me it's good and I should update.
>>719466068/g/ hasn't come yet. You may be speaking the truth. But the schizos will come to tell you that if you are using the operating system built around personal customisation, you should neither customise it or make it personal. I say this as the OpenRC Gentoo and Artix dinit person. Fun comes first. No matter how it looks.
>>719466289Why are indians mad about Japanese chads? Is it because they don't let you defecate in public places?
>>719466427not my cum not my problem
I will when Gaben finally decides to make official Steam OS for windows. I'd rather trust him than programmer troons.
>>719466297Redpill me on LTSC? I keep seeing people using it what is it?
>>719459287Wrong picture
>>719466549It's windows 10, but with FREE russian malware.
>>719466549It's just windows 10 but with security updates until 2032
>>719465554>adaptive syncAllows the display to match the output rate of a game so that there is no screen tearing.>WaylandYou can't have mismatching refresh rates on X11. Multidisplay support is a hack in it.
>not using debloated demicrosoft'd windows for maximum gaming You just know linux trannies don't have friends to play vidyas with because their over glorified neofetch screenshot printer cannot run anti cheats.Just tame Windows and bend it to your will.
i play DCS and it will never work on linux without having to jump through thousand hoops so im stuck with ms unfortunately
>>719459287I'm already running Windows 11. Thanks.
>>719466534chat, is this accurate?
>>719459287Debian or Arch? (of the two, not whatever your actual choice would be.)Window Manager or Desktop Environment?Tiling Windows or Cascading Windows?Dynamic Tiling, or Manual Tiling?Seriously though, I'm thinking of switching things around. I've been using Arch with BSPWM for the past few years.I just want to know what everyone else prefers.I like BSPWM, but it's a bit lacking in certain features, and I keep finding weird issues when it comes to random windows being tiled even though they definitely don't expect to be.
>>719459287>operating systemWhen it comes out, sure!
>>719459287We're about 10 years away from global thermonuclear war because the old guard politicians are gonna filter out to be replaced with mentally deranged freaks living their lives on a hair trigger, you know, the kind of retards who think they can win russian roulette. By the time I need to change OS, I'll already be an environmental storytelling skeleton.
>>719467987arch + i3 with dynamic tiling script, my first time giving linux a go. been about 6 months im using it. pretty happy so far.
>>719462870>>719462967it's every time like this with linux trannies I swear to god >no dude it totally just works right now>used to not work yeah haha oof, but times change now it's soo much better :)>oh your issue? yeah that's because the latest consolidated microarchitecture tweaks from last patch but yeah it works hehe nothing to do with the system per say right??>no you have to install this inner core display framework management engine system which is different that you're using that came installed by default but other than that is no biggie, just fiddle with a few config text files haha>oh no you can't do that thing you want to do that's perfectly normal in other systems, but yeah why would you want to anyways right lol>w-what do you mean this is too much work LMAO FILTERED GO BACK TO MICROSHAFT XDDD
>>719462585Same. For me it's gonna be in like 8 years at best as I have RTX 4080 and am not upgrading to better AMD card in a while as I can run games I want on this.Hopefully compatibility stuff has been solved then but I guess it's gonna be forever stuck to Terminal wanking if you want to get anything more specific than Steam or Firefox to run.Can't even imagine how getting Slippi to run is going to be, I have one friend who has both W10 and Linux Mint and he said that Slippi on Mint barely worked and he had to go through way too many hoops with wine etc.
>>719459287When it become unified and superior, sure.
>>719468445Funny you say that, because that's literally what troondows cultists are doing ITT>>719466297>>719466534
>>719467250>demicrosoft'd>installs kernel spyware anyway Are you being retarded on purpose? And it's not loonix being incapable of running anti cheats, it's devs actively blocking it. Some anti cheats already have linux support built into them and the devs literally just have to click a checkbox, but they refuse.
>>719459287can I make the file browser and stuff for my PC look like this if I do
>>719468445>oh no you can't do that thing you want to do that's perfectly normal in other systems, but yeah why would you want to anyways right lolMostly it's this. If they don't have it "it's a meme". 10, 15 years ago it was the same bullshit, games were "a meme" too
>>719468445inner core display framework management engine system bros..............
>Keep making updates that nuke SSDs and other data.>It is almost like they want people to fuck off their OS.Just install ElementaryOS and run Nvidia-inst in the terminal. Fucking job done you have a working system to game on.
>>719468489Oh, and also this >>719468445I don't like throwing insults, but whenever you encounter a problem that never existed on W10, and you spend like 5+ hours trying to wrangle it through terminals and downloading whatever before saying "this is way too much work for getting this run when I can doubleclick .exe on W10", you get thrown insults at nonstop. It was HoMM3 when I last time tried, now it would prob be Slippi Melee as "shit nobody even plays get better taste wintranny pajeet" etc.It's just such an uphill battle where you have to go "well I guess I don't need that... Or don't want to play that... And I guess linux alternative is better..." over and over again and when you have finally arrived to the point where you can run Linux, the sunken cost fallacy kicks in and you forget all the shit you could run easily in past and end up being the one calling everyone wintroon and arguing over what distro is best and why the distro the new guy installed is wrong and they should've installed Ubuntu or Arch or Fedora or whatever because "it's the best distro and other ones are for retards who doesn't even want full control of their system" etc.And then post their specs through terminal on /v/ and calling anyone not using Linux(or their distro specifically) all the fun names on repeat.I prob have to suffer with unsupported W10 for like 8 years so that will be fun.
>>719467250Wintroons have faggot friends that only play fortnite and apex
>>719466834>mismatching refresh rates on X11works on my machine :^)
>>719468119>we're all going to die in nuclear war anyways so it doesn't matter if you send bill gates screenshots from your computer every 5 secondMicroshit shilling has gotten grim
>>719470436Packet inspector
>>719459287Unless it has native support for stuff I use, I will not switch.
>>719459442>it'd be #1 by nowPeople were willing to put up with Windows because of media presence.>>719462170Just use archinstall and get the CachyOS speshul snowflake stuff through the AUR. There's no reason to risk random incompatibility with no documentation, just because no one tests on CachyOS. I tried CachyOS multiple times and it just had random incompatibilities that I could not be fucked to diagnose. It's the same kind of "works on my macbook" autism that drives GNOME.>>719467250Anticheat incompatibility mostly happens with matchmaking sloppa and you don't play shit like that with friends.
>>719470502This.But it seems to be more of an ideological stuff to many Linux users.>"If I HAD TO learn how to wrangle terminal and ask around forums and communities on how to run basic stuff, then YOU SHOULD as well!"To many Linux users the distro becomes better the more it can do, not how easy or compatible stuff is with few default packages. It SHOULD be hard. It SHOULD take time. It SHOULD filter people.
just werks. anyone complaining has a skill issue
LLMs might one day make Linux usable. Since you can ask it to fix the broken shit and for obscure command line incantations. But they are not yet reliable enough.
>>719466058He wants to use a piece of shit like galaxy that wiped every users' cloud saves and now has no reason to exist I guess.
>>719468720Technically Linux is incapable of running kernel level anti-cheats because they don't run on kernel level in Linux. They do run, but in userspace using unprivileged user access, which makes them completely different functionally. You can run software for DMA on Linux lolDon't need to buy the expensive hardware.Not that it makes a difference for cheaters, they just use whatever platform has the cheats that they use - which is Windows right now.>>719470774It's not ideological, it's a preference. Windows becoming like that today, too. I can use terminal to do basic stuff on Windows very easily now in Win11. Shit, I can even customize my prompt.Anyway, I don't want my OS to come with crap I don't need already set up for me. I want to do it all myself. It's my computer after all.
>>719471078which .xx drivers does it run on?
just had to boot into my windows partition because KDE shit itself so hard after waking from sleep that wifi stopped working entirely under linux
>>719468769https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YRDbhWHF8bYYes
>>719471469I went back to Windows for a little bit and it's shocking. You have a package manager now for example. They're adopting a lot of Unix ideas.
>>719471518what? do you mean nvidia drivers version? if so, it's 580.76.05
>>719471726I wish something like this but KDE exists...
>>719470265That's the physical refresh rate of the monitor, not the refresh rate outputted by the display server.
>>719471759Yeah winget is pretty decent if slowAlthough there's tools like scoop with some of the software that I prefer, and winget lists software that isn't installed with winget, so it's a bit messy. You can't just outright change how it all works, but if microsoft wasn't anal about some system components being tampered with a lot of shit could just work out just the same way.Microsoft does a lot of weird shit that seems like self sabotage. This is an example of Windows 11 and how they could just make it as responsive as it needs to be if they didn't make a single weird fucking decision.https://www.reddit.com/r/OptimizedGaming/comments/1j6qdgb/guide_changing_display_topology_to_reduce_monitor/
>>719472035yes thanks, mine is so prehistoric that even ubuntu dropped support for those drivers years ago
>>719472878Come to arch. We have old nvidia drivers in AUR
>>719470265I'm not sure if things have changed over the years (doubtful it seems, because people are still complaining about it, and it seems that new project is there to see a way through fixing this very tangible issue). From what I've tested, it's not an issue itself with the refresh rate. Physically, the display with the higher refresh rate -will- use the higher refresh rate. The problem is the fucking framerate of what's being rendered. Only the cursor will match the higher one. Everything else will be rendered practically "capped" to the framerate matching the lower refresh rate on the other monitor. Without vsync this doesn't happen, but without vsync there is tearing. Adaptive Sync is not a technology you can make work on 2 monitors with mismatched refresh rates on X11 unless you have 2 separate sessions.Hell IIRC, AMDGPU had an extra setting (besides VariableRefresh, TearFree and all that stuff) that precisely allowed for the higher refresh rate monitor not to be capped, but uselessly, kept the monitor with the lower refresh rate with no vsync, producing a lot of tearing. I guess it's useful if the low refresh rate monitor doesn't need to display much more than static images. Your picture here tells dick precisely because physically it is using a higher refresh rate. What many of you fuckwads don't understand is that there's a difference between something working, and something working correctly.
>>719472962I have a 144hz and 60hz display on Gentoo XFCE. No issues with that. I use an AMD GPU though so I think that does a lot for that front. Wayland apparently sorted that issue.
>>719467267>DCSSteam says it works on steam deck, protondb says it works with proton-ge 10.12 and up and there are videos of people playing it on youtube
>>719473380>>719472962On x11 you can have mixed refresh rates but you're likely to have stuttering and weird frames if the frame rates have no common factor. Ie: 144 hz and 60hz. If you limited to 120 hz and 60hz the lower frame rate monitor will look smoother. If you only use the lower Hz monitor for simple display shit or discord/web browser you're not likely to notice much. Wayland will have smoother frames with displays no matter what the common factor frame rates are.
>>719472171It absolutely is outputting 144 on one and 60 hz on the other monitor.>>719472962I'm not sure what you're saying. It's true that vsync + not-fullscreen caps a game to 60 instead of 144. Going fullscreen makes it 144 as it should be, and/or disabling vsync (as I usually do) also allows 144 fps. There's tearing, then, of course.>Your picture here tells dick precisely because physically it is using a higher refresh rate. What many of you fuckwads don't understand is that there's a difference between something working, and something working correctly.I don't understand this, indeed. Can you elaborate?It doesn't work perfectly, but it does work, it seems to me.
After lots and lots of thought I'm probably going to settle for Cygwin. I'm sure there are ways to do things I want but I'd probably need to recompile the kernel for them and that's a bit too much effort. Also I'm too used to having program data like configuration, saved games and so on be stored in the same directory where the program was installed to. I could definitely simulate this via symlinks like I already do but that'd feel really wrong under an less retarded OS. If I was wiser and moved even 20 years ago this wouldn't have been that much of a problem.
>>719473454I swear there are people in every linux thread that claim X game doesn't work on Linux. Then you check protondb and youtube and find plenty of evidence of it working.
>>719467987Arch used to be dying to cancer that had AIDS years ago so probably one of its two successors if they're still alive (Artix and Void).
>>719459287Nah. Some programming chad will create an .exe file that debloats Windows long before it gets to the point were it's worse than Linux.
>>719459287Does it have free virus-protection like windows?
>>719475553I would have just installed it myself and used proton-ge but it's 200 fucking gb. To be fair, 10.12 is really new but apparently it now runs perfectly. Linux users are constantly fixing their own games, things that didn't work a couple of weeks ago could run perfectly now.
>>719473454what's the best to go about it? use lutris?
>>719475921No, but you can download viruses directly from repositories
>>719472878oh, thats unfortunate. i remember when i started my linux journey in 2020, i had this old nvidia gpu circa 2006. couldnt figure out how to set it up for linux. i think it wasnt easy or even possible, because of how ancient it was and the setup required some manual kernel manipulations. meanwhile on some early windows 10 build it worked most of the time, with occasional hard freezes under load in gta3/vc
>>719476035So you buy the games directly from DCS and not Steam? If you download executable files from them then yes, I would say use Lutris. First download the newest version of proton-ge from github and set that to be the default Wine Runner in lutris.
>>719476319got you, thanks. yes, i use their launcher.
>>719472941barely got on mint, I'll definitely try the other distros eventually but first things first
>>719476597I didn't even know they had their own launcher, but apparently there are some user written guides on their forums for making it work on linux with lutris.
>>719470718everything about cachyos is on their github brainlet. Its the same shit as arch and there are no "incompatibilities". If arch works, cachy does as well.
>>719476110atleast the os isnt full of services that behave like malware.
>>719476746i realize it technically possible with proton but they still DirectX and there's also a question of hardware drivers which i haven't looked into yet.
>>719462460What's the absolute most lightweight version of Mint + browser combo I can use? I've got this old toaster laptop I bring with me on travels that has 4GB RAM, and currently I'm using Mint XFCE and browsing with Pale Moon for a decent 1.3-1.7 GB of memory usage depending on tabs.Switching to something inherently lighter like Arch isn't really an option since my drawing tablet requires drives optimized for ubuntu with .deb packages and I'm too much of a caveman to know how to adapt those to other distros. Still, I'd like to optimize my performance as much as possible.
>>719459287X11 just werks but they are pushing wayland so much it is starting to piss me off. Nvidia doesnt werks as intended.
>>719464160just run Gog games through Steam
>>719477705Not my problem if Nvidia sucks.
>>719477705Wayland? More like GaylandHas poor screen capture capabilities that break my python scripts, nvidia is a flickering mess in games and from what I've heard even shortcuts barely work thereWhy breaking something that worked well?
Linux will never be mass-adopted as long as its current audience get a high out of feeling smarter and superior to people who don't want to do backflips through hoops to get their programs to run. So, basically, not any time soon.
>>719465554>can't recognize cd2You can load multiple image files with cdemu on the same "drive", some installers like it, some don't
>>719477705Here hoping xlibre takes off and people's distros pick it up over forcing wayland.
https://universal-blue.discourse.group/t/a-warning-to-newcomers-looking-to-install-bazzite-on-there-desktops-a-warning-letter-to-anyone-wanting-to-switch-to-bazzite/10538https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WVSlh_M7xEgTroonix moment lmao
>>719478343>cheap chinese controller and firefox being firefox are linux issues according to brownoid
>>719478549meanwhile cheap chinese controller and firefox don't have issues on WINdows
>>719478604you don't notice Firefox on windows because the OS itself is hardware-breaking piece of shit, on linux it's just outstanding when everything else just works
>>719478343>I don't like this distro I will use this other distroOk? Windows wasn't mentioned at all here, nobody wants to use that pile of shit except retards.
