Were the 90's really that great?
>>719462520Before 9/11, the world was great.
If you got time isekai'd to 1999 how would you verify the future you know will still pass?
>>719462520Why did you generate this picture using ChatGPT?>How do you know?I use it and I recognize the font. Plus, if this were an authentic Discord screenshot, (edited) would be a different color.
Yes, when the Matrix came out I laughed at the idea that the late 90s was the peak of the world, only after 2005 did I realize it was right. The last 20 years have been a slow decay with very little of value.
>>719462634I may or may not be the OP, But you are nowhere near as smart or autistic as you think you are.
>>719462520Why would they say n64 super smash bros? What other smash bros would there be?
>>719462520Sorry babe, no time for thatI have to buy a home with my lunch money and get a job as CEO of apple by giving steve jobs a firm handshake
>>719462581People think it's a meme, but it legitimately was a totally different, better world before 9/11.
>>719462586I'd wait 2 years and put myself on flight 175
>>719462520>editedYOU LIE
>>719462520Video games peaked as a medium, other than that its just a shittier version of the 80s whose whole identity was whoah thats so 80s get with the times.
>>719462520>let’s go play n64 super smash brosWhy would she specify that it’s the N64 game if it’s 1999 and the Gamecube doesn’t even exist yet?
>>719462581Unironically this.
I thought it was just nostalgia of being a kid, but no. I don't see my nephews freak out over a new game like me and my friend did. Because their first experiences with games is the same with whatever new release there is.My buddy and I got to shit bricks when we first played goldeneye and perfect dark. When we first played GTA1/2. When we played Driver and it was 3D. When we played GTA3 on my PC and had to blow a fan into the case so the video card wouldn't overheat and freeze the computer. Games were brand new experiences, same with movies. That shits gone. Nobody reacts like that, not even zoom zooms in their new world.
>>719462520it's interesting to see people with small minds try to understand why the past was good when the present is shit, but unable to come to the very simple conclusion that life was just better before smartphones
>>719462520>Fallout 2I'd be playing a new game already as they were actually constantly coming out back them.>playing N64 in 1999LOLWhy are these nostalfagging media posts always so fake?
>>719462754this, invest in apple then bitcoin a few years later and your fucking set.
>>719462943I cannot imagine being a kid in the current hellscape, having anything embarrassing you do be put online for eternity, with your only escape being fake games like fortnite where you fight bots all day, or roblox where you play incredibly low quality asset flip cash grabs that constantly ask for virtual money to keep the "fun" going. It's no wonder zoomers are so fucked up.
>>719462958>N64 in 1999You're goddam right, mother fucker.
>>719462581Yeah…Do zoomers even realize they were born in hell?
>>719463015The ones that are open enough to try some of the older games and like them have some hope for them still. The rest....God help them.
>>719462520>Smash player>Playing Fallout 2
>>719462943i was born in the mid 90's, I still remember how hyped people got for shit in the 2000's. Renting shit at blockbuster every week over the weekend, now I can't possibly imagine renting any modern game now, they're all boring there's no point. In the 90's and 2000's, Chuds would camp out for 24 hours with anticipation for the newest game console. https://youtu.be/j9LtPy79SHU?si=m1S0jJP4ciGaLz0R
>no more racing home after school for the youth club to play vidya and pool and try to look in front of the girls when getting picked up with your friends later in the night for pizza and a trip to blockbuster then spending an entire weekend at your friend's place playing vidya and watching anime
>>719462520Why would you play Fallout 2 with a friend? It's singleplayer only.
>>719462763It's because it felt something evil awakened that day. Everything became political and politicians way more invasive
Quite literally every single thing was better in the 90's.
>>719463593>never had a gf to watch you play late 90's computer rpgs while she listened to music on her cd playeri feel for you, anon
>>719462586Invest in stock and memecoins I know will do well.So if the future does come to pass i'll be rich as fuck and go live in a mansion in the woods or something
>>719462520I was there, you could play outside as kid without your parents
>>719462520every generation thinks times were better when they were a kid/young because they had no responsibilities and full of opportunities. Whatever your born in is what seem normal to you and as time goes on it seems worse because you have less future and the world now isn't what it was when you were a kid and look how places mock adults that can still enjoy the now like they could in their youth, they are openly mocked. >>719463593Me, my sister, her friends, and my gf would play a lot of single player games in a group set up where someone would be running around trying to figure out what to do while the others watch and gave ideas or reacted to what the player was doing. It was most point and click games like those Lucasarts games or Sierra games (King's Quest, Quest for Glory.). Basically instead of watching TV with a drink or snack we huddle around and watched me get slightly mad and confused at what I'm suppose to do in Sam and Max.
>>719464071No, Zoomer. The 90's were better.
While childhood is often looked at with rose tint, the 90s were indeed the best childhood for anybody. All the rapid advancements in technology, and the absolute heart of creativity. Zoomers came into stagnation and politics. While they will still remember fondly of their childhood, it won't be as grand as the 90s due to the contrast of going from something like a homephone and SNES to a playstation and internet within a decade. A decade for zoomers brings a sequel to a game.On the flip side, we millennials have the start of the bad adulthood. Which might be better or worse for the zoomers. Boomers have the best adulthood, while Gen-x has somewhat of the middle road for both childhood/adulthood.
>>719462767>dies to a fucking box cutter
>>719464619Bro, if his kids had been in that 1st class cabin, it wouldn't have went down the way it did.
>>719462581Post 9/11 was dumb but tolerable, post 2008 is hell.
>>719462943"It's nostalgia" is part pseud part faggots being unable to admit the gayer the world gets the worse it gets.
>>719462520americans should be nuked
>>7194647942008 wasn’t a financial crisis. It was major transfer of wealth from the middle class to the rich
>>719462854because when someone says "Super Smash Bros" - they insantly think of Melee.
>>719462581>the world was greatif your world is the west maybemy country was way shitter in the 90s
>>719464680All you would need to do is call the airport the morning of and warn them. Give them specific names, flight numbers, and warn the pilots.
>>719464998Not that anon, but my issue with post 2008 was all the white guilty nigger worship. Destroying race relations we had from the 90s. The respect that, if your ass got out of line with each other, you'd be in trouble. I wouldn't be walking through nigger town, and nobody was marching for you when a cop shot your ass or someone called you no no words.
>>719465117>90sYeah, it was such a great time.
>>719465117You delusional fuck!
>>719465490>niggers killing niggersYes. Yes it was.
>>719462854Because, as hinted by the (edited), there's something innately sinister about this situation and you can see the cracks.
In some ways they were. There were still problems of course. Its easy to look back and see nostalgia through rose tinted glasses, but there is a meaningful discussion to be had. Though I think some people do get caught up just because that is how things felt when you were younger and (at least some of us) have good memories. Something like the Steam Deck (or even desktop Linux able to play most PC games) was unthinkable. The prices of PC hardware and rate of upgrades were insane(and no , today's video card bullshit or even trump dump tariff 2.0 has nothing on spending 3K+ for an 'average' gaming PC back then and not being able to even play titles that would come out next year). Widespread broadband with instant downloads was something extremely limited - I remember how games like Planetside (fantastic for its era though and came before the F2P freemium calamity, but that's another discussion) and Shadowbane fumbled in part because there were not enough players with both performant PCs and online capability sufficient for that type of title. The access we have to emulators today and PC gaming not being so rigidly separated from console gaming is a step forward; I still wish we'd get rid of console exclusives (time or otherwise) but we're moving that way thankfully. Japanese games were often censored and it wasn't easy to find alternatives without being able to import. So yeah, there were a lot of great things about tthe 90s and Y2K era, but not everything was optimal.
>>719465490They just changed definitions of crime so statistics look better.
>>719465851How do you change the definition of “violent”?
>>719465490Lead was a much more minor issue than what we're currently dealing with, which is plastic contamination castrating the entire male population of the world.
>>719463693this image is so retarded, as if there weren't games that lasted a decade before fortnite, see wow. People associate it with the golden age of gaming and always tell nostalgic stories about it. Plus it's not like fortnite is the only game that's come out in the past 6 years.>inb4 wow sucks and i didn't play itfortnite sucks too and i don't play it, doesn't make it less popular and beloved by others
>>719465805Is know our parents were way stingy than us. I don’t know what happened, but we can’t wait to spend our money, like it’s the only source of joy we have in life.
>>719465938Call it "mostly peaceful."
>>719465996Did wow get any graphical update since its release?
>>719466034They had bills to pay and kids to feed. You have no-one, and so all your money is used on shit to distract you from the fact you're alone.
>>719465490I believe a lot of that was intra-ghetto crime, which didn't affect me. I roamed around my neighborhood at 5 without any fear cause it was mostly all white suburbanites who talked to eachother. What happened in skid row stayed inside it, as it should be.
>>719465851They stopped arresting brown people.
>>719465938Turn them into misdemeanors unless somebody dies.Just like stealing under 900 bucks in new york doesn't count as stealing anymore.
>>719466120Well that’s bullshit. You make it sound like segregation ended in the 90s.
>>719465805Regarding western censorship the product atleast still had an uncensored version, and they parts of the world that could access it got to enjoy it. These days the core game is pozzed and needs mods to ungayify it.
>>719462754KEK. Boomers really do be like this.
>>719465490You do realize that there was an abrupt decrease in the 90s, right? We never got the >Superpredators and escape from NewYork/LA futurethat pearl clutchers was sure was coming. Atop it note how there's a giant spike in the 80s which was a direct consequence of policies that were implemented during that period across the board (like Reagan pushing all the crazies out of their mental hospitals and onto the street, so they went unmedicated and without care), but much like the War on Drugs , cocaine / crack / medallin there were a lot of things that made things worse because of stupid, stupid policy. Though, some amount of the dropoff came because of things that were on a longer arc (including Roe v Wade, the removal of leaded gasoline, and more) but it is a complex issue that can also have some individual factors we know made things so much worse. Some of those things are continuing even now though, with impacts beyond violent crime, but otherwise offering negative health, well being etc. The corporate takeover of everything was massively accelerated during the 80s; that was the final oligarchy coup de grace putting an end on the policies that brought the US to world leading prosperity since the New Deal and through WWII and beyond. Remember that the gap between the richest and poorest has grown exponentially, unionization and labor power has been systematically weakened since the end of the 60, and while production has skyrocketed real wages have not kept up in line with profitability, instead being looted by those at the top.
>>719462520>Were the 90's really that great?yesit got gradually ruined even before 9/11>cell phones, so bitches yapped 24/7>windows 95, so every retard could vote with theirmoneynot to mention after>digital cameras, sucking out the joy of taking pictures>smartphones, so bitches became even more entitled>games just became a marketing tool to sell 3D cards
>>719466034I think it depended on who your parents were; many just spent their money in other ways, often because they could (ie getting new cars frequently, moving from starter homes to larger ones when kids were involved etc). Sure, you still had people who spent money on their hobbies - everyone knew of a"Hi-Fi guy" , "camera guy", or a "big as fuck TV / AV setup guy", alongside other hobbies. Lets not forget that gaming (be it console or PC especially) was never cheap even back then. a NES cost around $650 of today's cash if I remember correctly, so it was still a big purchase. Today, "big" stuff is a pipe dream for most people sadly so that means people end up saving up for a lot smaller things for their hobbies or interests, because they quite frankly can't afford the big ones like houses, cars, university-without-debt-and-with-near-guaranteed-ROI etc..
>>719462520gaming for me in the 90s would absolutely suck.The genres I like the most - Grand strategy and Sandbox barely existed back then.Also people complain about porn games censorship now but back then you wouldn't even have porn games to play.Also piracy is non existent in the 90s too so how am I supposed to play games for free?
>>719462520not really, 90s were kinda trash for gamers compared to what came later.for SP games the golden age is now, for MP games the golden age was mid/late 00s
My childhood was really boring because I lived very rural and was one of the last kids off the bus in a long bus ride. I'd get home at like 6:00 and my parents made me go to bed at 8:00
>>719466420The uncensored version was very difficult to acquire (especially legally)and expensive if you did. Almost NO Japanese games, even into the 2000s, came with JP audio as an option on consoles -it was a horrid English dub only, low rent and missing a lot of context. Censorship may have been involved. Hell, some of you may have played my uncensored and undubbed Xenosaga Ep1 (then 2 and 3) image, but that took a fuckload of work and its worth mentioning that even into the PS2 era most people didn't have the capability to burn DVD DualLayer (9GB, vs the more common but still expensive DVD+/-RW 4.7GB discs), but that was an edge case. Japan kept a lot of its best stuff for itself and it wasn't easy to find it globally even if you were looking, dealing with the region locks, etc. Sure some of us did it but it wasnt like it you could just head down to the blockbuster video and pick up the JP version which had EN UI and subs etc. The phenomenon you're mentioning about the core game being pozzed is a very, very recent thing. This is frustrating as fuck, but it mostly comes down to A) payment providers especially the past year but before that B) corporate greed marketing to a global audience. In the old days, Japan made the games it wanted (and so did the West for that matter) and people overseas who enjoyed it, bought it because they wanted that Japanese media; the core sales capability was local, but that's no longer the case. Now, JP publishers are figuring they need to get every single possible audience to keep the line always going up, so when they hire an 'expert" to tell them that Westerners find saving the princess offensive and that they know that domestic sales alone won't cut it, so they instead have to sand down the rough edges on the game lest social media drags their good PR. Though somehow this only happens to game content - horrid as fuck monetization, gacha garbage, item malls et.c. that sadly never gets cut; CorpoGreed
>>719466372There's official and unofficial segregation. They didn't mix social housing projects into normal areas in the 90s. The homeless were treated properly too, no tents and if they got unhinged they got taken away.
>>719465490>graph shows a clear decline over the decadeway to self own, nigger
>>719462520women were still hot and pussies still wet
>>719465062and now you've spread your shittiness around
>>719465996none of those games were the most popular ever>>719466085wow released only one year before RE4 retard
>>719467586Anyone who wanted to play the real game could. Sure, importing cost money, but it wasn't a big barrier to entry.Modern titles are pozzed at the source, so there's not even a decent version of the game you can import. The modern day is absolutely better for ease of availability, you can download basically anything you want for free, but give it another decade and all those sites will be blocked. You can't even see boobs on broadcast TV anymore, Japan peaked with the bubble.
>>719462520It's not that the 90s were particularly great, it's that what we have now is garbage
>>719467692fuck timmy gon do?
>>719467586I get it was hard, but with piracy it got easier. My point was more the culture of 90s Japan was awesome, and that culture produced many great things. Oddly western culture still had sword and sorcery fantasy with tons of scantily clad women, they just bullied japan at the time under the excuse of saying all there stuff was for children. Poozed hit the west pretty hard in 2012, which means the stuff was in dev earlier. Japan held out longer and it also led to Japanese games taking over for abit, but now the "ethics committee" is in full effect. China gets to ignore it cause they don't have white/WW2 guilt, and industrial power to tell payment processors to fuck off.
>>719468106Timmy is "gon" talk like a human, for a start
>>719462520>>719462581>>719465490It's the 80's that were the golden period.>bullying within certain boundaries was the norm>subcultures existed>higher education was worth something>your could smoke anywhere>no political correctness>people actually had manners and dignityNineties were still fun, but extremely nihilistic. It's as if people subconsciously felt their world was ending, they just didn't know why or how. Hence the abundance of disaster/apocalypse movies from that decade.
>bill gates wealth in 1995: 14 billion>Elon Musk wealth in 2025: 475 billionSomething went terribly, terribly wrong in the past thirty years.
>>719467647a 26 year old in the 90s was more healthy (and looked better) than a 16 year old todaythat is the sad realitysame goes for city streets and town: people still cared about where they lived
>>719465062go back to palestine and harass people there, you repulsive fag-hag90s, like the 50s, were the culmination of human civilization
>>719468504>you could smoke everywherethis alone disqualifies your shit times fake boomer80s were the beginning of porn, mainstream drugs, modern laziness and within the 2nd wave feminism
>>719468823at least Elon Musk doesn't want to "end poverty" (translated: insure every person under 80 points of IQ gets to make 25 children and they all survive till they are 90)
>>719462520yes. the industry didn't start truly turning to shit until the xbox (2001)
>>719468897>80s were the beginning of pornextremely underage post
>>719465117>everything was so good in the 90's. why? cause the jews on television told me and i was 5 years old and never was arounded blackso.j simpson murdering a white woman and every black in the country celebrating when he got off free really shows how good race relations were lmao.
>>719468887nigga I'm ain't leaving my country. Next time, just don't think your experience is universal
>>719462520It wasn't that the "90's were great!" It was that in the 90's, the world still seemed so full of promise. Those of us just breaking into working were so wide-eyed about what was ahead of us, ESPECIALLY with the internet in its infancy. Nerds could nerd out with other nerds via early MMORPGs, message boards, hell even AOL chat rooms, bringing an entire sub-class of the downtrodden together for the first time and en-mass in history. The normies could see the advantages of the internet, the lawlessness of a brand-new digital world, on top of having resources at your fingertips that didn't require a trek to the local library, finding an encyclopedia that was likely outdated, and sitting down to read it.Those who ventured outside to play with neighborhood friends never had to stop what they were doing just because the sun was setting and could just simply call their parents and be like "Hey, we're going over to X's house. No need to worry, bye!"We were the generation that was the last to experience a world of no-tech, the first to grow up with all-tech and the first to learn how far we could push it. We had the best of both worlds before the generation behind us who refused to partake, and the generation in front of us who had no choice but to, and we clearly remember what was given up and sacrificed for what was not only to become, but everything that followed afterward that we were unprepared for.Those who lived through, remembered clearly, and participated in those times saw meteoric changes across the entirety of our paradigm. It was, is, and will never be another time again in which the zeitgeist had changed so dramatically and so quickly. Boomers never participated, so they never saw it come and go. This is why they hate "the times we're now in".Gen X was too jaded to care.Zoomers knew nothing but the internet.Millenials were the ones who lived through it, and we're all fucking bitter about the outcome.
>>719468836The estrogen in nearly everything is bad for everyone. Women hit puberty earlier which somehow turns into them having man voices. Men look like early teenagers into their 20s then suddenly look mid 40s office workers.
>>719468823The sheer concentration of wealth and power in the elites is very wrong yes, but I prefer the mega rich half-trillionaire who doesn't do evil shit with his money over the lesser billionaire with a god complex who keeps trying to control the world
>>719469075>Millenials were the ones who lived through it, and we're all fucking bitter about the outcome.Couldn't have said it better myself.
>>719462581Yeah. Honestly feels like everything that came after is a twilight zone episode.
>>719469075I'm a parent despite r/gamingcirclejerk assuming everyone here is unhinged as they are, and for myself and other millennial parents I've noticed more tech/internet restrictions for kids. I didn't get the internet until my late teens and I feel that's the earliest someone should be exposed to it, and that's going to be the case for my children. Zoom zooms had apathetic Gen X/Older millenial parents who shoved their kids in front of a tablet/phone at 2 years old, and the product is a bunch of dopamine addicts who get physical pain when disconnected. I don't think they'll have a 90s childhood due to pop culture sucking, more crime (despite the gay graph itt), and less people having kids; but I'll try my best with what I got.
>>719468054The best thing that can be done now is to convince Japan that basically they need to stop with the fad of listening to people call things problematic. This is not untenable - its happened before. For instance, remember when Japan decided >Oh Westerners don't like JRPGs with 4 or 5 guys in a line and a menu system, pixel art. All they want is brown and bloom shootan games! We'll stop making these things we used to make and try to cater to thisOnly for it to go shitty and half baked and boring knockoffs, so eventually they realized>Ah, some people actually like our SquareEnix / Fatlus / Falcom JRPGs because they're Japanese. Okay, lets make Bravely Default, lets make Octopath Traveler, lets do HD2D, lets remaster/remake some of our old favorites, lets try some new shitand that worked out much better, generally. Japan fucking loves it (or at least they used to) when people loved their weird Japanese stuff globally, so they need to be reminded that people yelling about male gaze on twitter is not the target market and will never buy the game anyway. The problem is that a lot of the very people who are causing the problem went out of their way to get jobs in the gaming industry (or at least the localization industry) so they're telling Japan that there's a big wide new market that all of the game-hating fat black lesbians will buy the game if they change it to not be so heckin problematic which is like a 10000% increase in the market given that they know that they don't sell to game hating fat black lesbians, so t hat get the bean counters hard as fuck. They don't know this isn't representative - it would be like if you were releasing a game in fucking Tajikistan and the only guy who spoke english told you you had to get all the milk out of the game because it offends the buyers culturally. DO you know if this is true or if the guy who speaks english is just a wacko? Not really, so you trust him for now etc.
>>719469024*-post +porn
>>719469264I feel the same. Someone having a lot of money doesn't bother me, but when people use their money to ruin my lifestyle they're my enemy.
>>719469070then what are you bitching about?
>>719469264>>719469845saaaaaaar
>>719469764>I've noticed more tech/internet restrictions for kidsit doesn't work like that hombre, it's the technology itself, not the kids using itimagine if you restricted 90% of the kids, the remaining 10% would suddenly have a huge edge in gossiping and bullying whomever they wantsmartphones, as a technology, is the thing that the world needs to get rid of; if you want an internet, go to a computer, sit down, and use it... it also filters those who gossip and bully because the effort needed to gain that emotional boost would be too high and they'd rather just fuck off to the streets so suck the dick of Tyrone for profit>>719469075yeah it could have been a nice worldI'm glad people into the whole vaporware and retro synthwave currents still put in the effort, they managed to animate even gen x retards
>>719470324Do you just pick random posts to yell "saar" at?
>>719462520>Were the 90's really that great?Games like "Punch Club 2" and "Back to the Dawn" still give me hope.
>>719462520>>719462581The world before 9/11 was super based. Then it was still pretty damn based all the way up till occupy wallstreet then the high ups went full demoralization full lgbtq ESG fight amongst each other distraction mode and everything exponentially got worse. Vidya was fantastic up until then as well.
>>719465117>Destroying race relations we had from the 90s.The same race relations that saw Rodney King getting his ass beat on live television? >nobody was marching for you when a cop shot your ass or someone called you no no wordsYou people really do live in a different world. Must be nice.
>>719468504>just ignore the Satanic Panic and that homo clown, bro!
>>719470583they also were talking about the environment a lot and global warmingnow they stopped talking about that because they know how much energy is being used all time to develop and power their ai bullshit
>>719469075I generally agree. Though its important to realize WHY things changed. We didn't get the >Information superhighwaywe were promised. We didn't get the alternate reality where the tech improved but the underlying feel and impetus of the Internet maintained its form and transformative nature accessible to all. >Interoperable protocol standards, ideally Free and Open Source Software licenses.>Privacy and anonymity were upheld as values. Curiosity, community and the "hacker ethos" underpinned much of the experiment. >The Internet and Web were "different from meatspace", not an extension thereof. The rules were different and with very few exceptions what happened in one didn't affect the other. All of this was sacrificed at the altar of corporate greed, between surveillance capitalism and the centralization of power. We're 30 years out of date on privacy laws now because it serves the data mining and advertisers. The arrival of social media was the big transformative issue - they had gotten wise that we could just use junk email to sign up for things ,but if you had a Facebook account (or even if you didnt) with a tracking pixel following you through the entire goddamn Internet, they could sell you as part of a data package and advertise to you. Its so easy to doxx people and everything gets leaked because our data privacy laws are still made from the days when you had to walk three towns over into a dusty basement card catalog at city hall to find a "public" document.! Pic related is vastly outdated ,but what used to be interoperable networks and open protocols moved to centralized top down monetization focused bullshit. More people spending time on sites owned by fewer and fewer. Look at Discord. When you used to be on a clan/guild Mumble/Teamspeak server for VOIP, now everything is Discord. Some mods you can only find in their little channels. There's SO much more (phonefaggotry, gacha/item mall monetization, etc) but no room
>>719470383He's shouting sar, because you two are defending Elong Musk. Who actively working to import a mass amount of cheap Indian labor to replace American workers. He was doing it from a position of power granted to him by the US President. But ironically, Elon is not a natural born US citizen. So it was a position that he had no real right to hold. He had it, because he was simply rich enough to garner Trump's respect. It was just one of Elon's plans to control the world.
>>719470324Not only am I not Indian, part of the rich people "ruining my lifestyle" I hate the most is importing Indians. They suppress wages and make housing expensive.
>>719462520what's with the weird AI generated FAS face?
Yeah, the 90s was great. All those retard Christians running around claiming Pokemon was making the children worship the devil. Retards in Congress trying to ban games for violence. Moral panic and pearl clutching all over the place. Oh, and let's not forget the whole Y2K panic or the death cults.
>>719462581Burgers really are fucking killing our wolrd
>>719470016that the vast majority of the world wasn't great in the 90sDo you know how to read?
>>719470330I think the remaining 10% will be outcasts. I'm hoping modern bullying will be against the dopamine addicts.
>>719470889What's with everyone mislabeling FAS? you can just say her eyes are far apart without without attributing it to FAS.
>>719470965Worst thing burgers ever did was exporting woke culture
>>719470583banks are the true satan of modern society it's not 'jews', but they are disproportionally controlled by jews.it's not late stage capitalism, but banks are the controlling instrument of capitalism.it's not 'latest social problem', but many of them serve as an artificial distraction reinforced or inflated by those orga
>>719470916Spoken like a true zoomer that didn't live through them, all of those things are vastly blown out of proportion.
>>719462520If you were white, middle class or above and lived in the west, they were fucking incredible.
no it wasn't that great, its just nostalgia goggles. t mil boomer.
anything pre 9/11 was greatif you take a look at things people are nostalgic about in any media it's almost always pre 9/11
>>719471143>Do you know how to read?I do but you obviously don't... read it again >>719468887 and shut your yapping mouth
>>719471293>I think the remaining 10% will be outcastshow can you be so stupid to say such a retarded thing after I said>>719470330>the remaining 10% would suddenly have a huge edge in gossiping and bullying whomever they wantthis is exactly the kind of woman/autistic behavior that gets you beaten up in real life
>>719471474The creation of rating for movies/video games/etc, Congress being all up the ass of the video game industry, Jack Thompson and Hilary Clinton's retarded 'vidya game bad' bullshit, all of that was blown out of proportion? And stuff totally wasn't censored either, right? 4kids, that was just a fever dream, huh?
>>719471705the fuck does that have anything to do with whether the world was great in the 90s?I thought whites are smart
>>719471339Dogs don't bark to communicate (like humans do).People spamming FAS and all kinds of other shit are just like barking dogs... dogs, except they can talk. Talking animals.
>>719471863go beg somewhere else and leave us dumb white people admiring the 90s alone
>>719471953 Based and 90s-pilled. Sorry that CRT class didn't cover pogs, dial-up modems, and when MTV actually played music instead of weaponized identity politics. Let us have our dumb little nostalgia bubble in peace.
'99 wasn't really peak. The early '90s were better, and it was just a very gradual decline from the early '90s to 1999. Nowadays, though, there's more decline in a single year than the entirety of the decline for the whole decade of the '90s.
>>719462586It wouldn't because the moment you deviate from what you did the first time the butterfly effect is going to start snowballing with little changes around you at the start and then other people who have been affected by you will keep making changes until the entire world is going in a different path
>>719470845Yeah, Musk's position on immigration is awful, I can agree with that. I still don't think he's anywhere near as bad as Bill Gates. The purpose of my post wasn't to defend Musk, it was to say that individuals having extreme amounts of money, while objectionable for multiple reasons, isn't nearly as bad as them using it to meddle and control. I don't mind someone being filthy rich if they're leaving me the fuck alone
>>719471953yes just say your 90s was good and I won't care, don't say the whole world was good
I wish that I was a kid again, or a teenager. I'd redo my whole life.
>>719462520not reallythey were good cause i was a kid, but it wasnt really that specialnow 00 and up until 9/11those were the comfy times
>>719472095But Elon does meddle and control. He even takes credit for getting Trump elected. It's no secret that he bought twitter and then manipulated it to be a place that's favorable towards trump. If you want to go deep enough into the conspiracy, you can say he rigged the election. But I don't know enough to make that claim. I'm just throwing it out there as a concern people have about him. Regardless, by Elon's own admission, he believes that his actions were directly related to getting Trump reelected.Just because he's not targeting whatever blue collar job you're working, that doesn't mean he's not meddling and controlling.
>>719462581>violent crime rates 3-4x higher>dotcom crash>OKC bombing>Waco>Ruby Ridge>1992 recession>paying $10 per album, better hope its not shit>$30-60 per film>$10 per Blockbuster rental>$50 a month for cable>$90 per snes and N64 game, better hope they aren't shit!>corporate dominated media landscape, gotta suck up to MTV and the radio cartel if you wanted to be heardI love the 90s! Life was worse by every metric but at least we could listen to kino boy bands which....we can still do today
>>719472091>skip studying because I'm already smart and know the answers from the future>this somehow leads to Miyamoto on the other side of the world not pestering Rare and Dinosaur Planet gets released instead of Star Fox Adventures
>dial-up internet>real threat of viruses instead of the pussy malware today>whoops forgot my memory card hope you like unlocking everything again bro>don't throw someone too much in SF2 arcades or you'll get stabbedyeah man it was totally funonly thing I miss is yellow cup wendy's (or fun fast food in general, nasty mcdonalds ball pits and all)
>>719472391I don't forget wages were low af as well
All I get from this thread is that the US was always a shithole, but EU was genuinely so much better in the 90s
>>719472391>>719472560>life wasn’t better before goy-bro! It’s waaay better now! Yes I know the billionaires control most of the money now just put the fries in the bag!
>>719465996>this image is so retarded, as if there weren't games that lasted a decade before fortnite, see wowwow is the 4th game in the warcraft franchise. people who played it at launch were familiar with the previous entries of the franchise. half the appeal was going "holy shit they made an rts into an entire world!"wow constantly got expansions that upgraded the graphical fidelity of the game too. equipment from 2-3 expansions ago looked comically low resolution compared to modern stuff. 10 years post launch they were on expansion #5, already had a full world revamp, and were updating the original character modelsironically, in the past 10 years, wow has stagnated. the "updated" character models are older than the original models were when they were replaced . the graphical quality of the game has largely been the same. wow sucks now but was great back in the day, proving the point lmao
>>719472330Supporting a candidate isn't the kind of meddling and control I'm talking about. But I'm of the opinion that buying Twitter is one of the few unambiguously good things that Musk did. He hasn't been all that consistent on free speech since, but it was a huge turning point in that fight. That's giving a voice to the people, not using your money to control them.But I still agree with you on the immigration thing.>If you want to go deep enough into the conspiracy, you can say he rigged the election. But I don't know enough to make that claim.Good, because it's complete nonsense.
>>719472674>hes this dumb
>>719472391i rather have that than infinity pajeets and Internet ID
>>719466085generally each expansion includes some sort of graphics update
>>719472391>Violent crimeNo need to be disingenuous. The 80s was when violent crime skyrocketed, and governments instituted high stakes punishments that caused a natural decline of crime at the expense of black people seething for years to come.>b-but at least I get to consume slop for cheap!It’s like you didn’t know what made the 90s great.
>>719472391>10$ blockbuster rentalwut. It was like 3-5 bucks>90$ per snes and n64 games, better hope they aren't shit!You can rent those from blockbuster before you buy for 3-5 bucks, dumbass.
>>719472762bro don't tell me you don't know what "real" means
>>719462520It was. I just went back to my hometown a couple days ago because my wife wanted to go to a restaurant for her birthday and instead of young white families everywhere it was rich white boomers and nothing but brown people under the age of 40. I fully expect to return there in a couple of decades only to find my hometown, which has existed for nearly 200 years, to be a smouldering pile of rubble with drug dealers on every corner.
>>719472860Crime skyrocketed in the 70s when boomers came of age, stayed high in the 80s and peaked in 1992 with the recession. It fell every yesr since, but crime rates in 1999 were still way worse than today, in a time when we have more blacks and immigrantsWhat else made the 90s great?>Dial up internet with fucking popups everywhere>viruses caught just by googling>70% of websites were personal ones made by fetishists, schizo conspiracy theorists, racists, literal children, or all the above>waiting 5 minutes for a webpage to load if it had one pic on it>waiting 10 mins for windows 98 to boot>RANDOM BLUE SCREENS OF DEATH>being assigned a book report, the library has one copy and you waited until the last minute and a kid in your class checked it out, so you ride your bike to his house but hes at swim practice so you go home and look up his number in the phone book while your mom is screaming at you, call the wrong house 3 times, then call him, arrange to meet at the local drugstore, but he doesn't show and you wait for an hour before going to a pay phone and try to remember his number>pretending the average show on tv wasn't slopNo seriously you can just turn off the internet and watch media exclusively from that decade, forever, like an old person. You can do that, you can go back
>hey pal, wanna go hang out with us at the mall?>cellphone? whats that? here's a quarter, you can call your mom from a payphone if you need a ride home later
>>719472694Eh, it depends where. In post-soviet countries the nineties were an extremely chaotic time and some countries got out of that rut much better than others.
>>719472958Adjust for inflation. My wage at blockbuster was $8 an hour which was enough for....one rental (although employees could rent 5 for free at a time)
>>719462581>The Western world*Ftfy
>>719468504>people actually had manners and dignitylollmao
>>719473618I did that. It sucked and was boring.
>>719472163>thought police is here woop woopI fart in your retarded bitch mother's face
>>719472749>but it was a huge turning point in that fightThe fight against what?!>That's giving a voice to the people, not using your money to control them.He literally manipulates the algorithm to bolster his own agenda over others.He allows anyone to purchase blue checkmarks, essentially erasing the ability to discern who has two credibility, and who doesn't.>Supporting a candidateAside from manipulating the masses on the most popular social network, he was then appointed a position in office, allowing him to make decisions that affect the actual government of the country directly. That's beyond "supporting the candidate"You sound like a fucking bootlicker.
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>>719473097>A-are those....brown families? Just peacefully enjoying a night at my favorite restaurant? Even rich boomers don't mind them? AIIIIIEEEEEE WESTERN CIVILIZATION IS COLLAPSING! SAVE ME TRADWAIFU TWITTER ACCOUNT
>>719464071>every generation thinks times were better when they were a kid/youngYeah, except this was factually true for late Gen X/early Millennials unless you wanted to be a coal miner when you grew up. Music is arguably the only thing that was worse in the 90s compared to previous generations.
>>719473981they look like they're 30there's one dude that's balding
>>719473097What flyover shithole do you live in that requires you have to leave town to dine at a restaurant?
>>719474159>frfr
>>719462581It's because you were younger. You grow up and the realise the world isn't sunshine and rainbows.
>>719473879>if it's X it ain't good because Z>if it's not-X it ain't good because Ywhiny bitch that can never be satisfiedi already said it:gobegsomewhereelse
>>719474171>have to leave town to dine at a restaurantbased, restaurants are a hotbed for crime and workers (most often whiny bitches and junky scum)... not having such a shitty smelly diseased institution in your town is a privilege
>>719474230See >>719474051
>>719466789honestly this
>>719474230Nah, mainstream internet pornography almost singlehandedly ruined our society.90s was an optimistic vector to a better future, but it truly got worse and very gay.
>>719474345>restaurants are a hotbed for crimeIndiana or Ohio? Either way, I'm sorry for your circumstances.
>>719462520I would legit miss 4chan. I hate how on other websites if someone disagrees with you they'll go through your post history and find some piss drunk shitpost or an opinion you no longer hold to work up a mob against you.
>>719465490>stops at 2018I wonder why they decided to stop the graph there?
>>719462581it''s amazing how true this is
>>719462581it''s amazing how true this isyes i know this is a data collection thread
>>719474538Haha your skin is the color of poop
>>719463023they believe they are at the pinnacle of society and have no idea how locked down they are. They have slave mentality and can't comprehend what life used to be like with respect to freedom
>>719474171Anon she wanted to eat at that specific restaurant, not any restaurant on earth.
>>719464071>Whatever your born in is what seem normal to you and as time goes on it seems worse because you have less futureyou are objectively wrong. You have no sense of self awareness and lack basic critical thinking skills. You are a literal NPC retard. Kill yourself
>>719473879>The fight against what?!If you won't acknowledge that there was a massive, coordinated suppression of right-wing (and non-left) voices before Musk took over Twitter, I really don't think you're being honest.>He literally manipulates the algorithm to bolster his own agenda over others.Which Twitter was already doing in secrecy.>He allows anyone to purchase blue checkmarks, essentially erasing the ability to discern who has two credibility, and who doesn't.Pre-Musk Twitter was giving checkmarks to people it agreed with ideologically, sometimes actively selling them behind the scenes, and denying them to people they didn't like.>Aside from manipulating the masses on the most popular social networkAh, anytime somebody forms an opinion you don't disagree with it's "manipulating the masses". Got it.> he was then appointed a position in office, allowing him to make decisions that affect the actual government of the country directlyEh, it's not exactly great that someone who throws money at a candidate gets to influence the government. The system is broken. We can be thankful that he had a very limited role and it ended quickly. The real problem is the influence being peddled behind the scenes, out of the public eye.>You sound like a fucking bootlicker.No, I have problems with the guy too, I'm just not deranged and frothing at the mouth. And my point, again, isn't to defend Musk, it's to say that I don't really care about someone having a lot of money, I care about how much control they try to exert over me with it.
>>719473986>A-are those....brown families?Absolute teeming masses of them, yes. The problem was always the sheer numbers, and bringing up individual "families" is nothing but an attempt to deflect with emotional manipulation. Faggot.NTA btw
>>719474445>Nah, mainstream internet pornography almost singlehandedly ruined our society.Mainstream internet in general. Pornography is only one part of it.
>>719462640It is sort of funny how prophetic the>1999, the peak of your civilisationwas.
>>719465062>my country was way shitter in the 90sOnly if you’re from Eastern Europe or Sub-Saharan Africa.
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>>719473618Cell phones have been available since the ‘80s, buckaroo.
>>719474909I still remember well how spooked I was the first time I got mail from MAILER-DAEMON.
>>719473986You've never been to a predominantly brown restaurant before? If it's black it's loud, if it's Indian they're unhygienic and berate the servers to the point I want to attack them.
>>719463693Man, we really didn't know how good we had it.
>>719475183>If you won't acknowledge that there was a massive, coordinated suppression of right-wing (and non-left) voices before Musk took over Twitter, I really don't think you're being honest.I've heard of such a thing. But similar to the claims about election rigging, I don't know enough about it to say it's true. What exactly got suppressed?>Which Twitter was already doing in secrecy.Even if that were true, that doesn't absolve him of his own manipulations.>Pre-Musk Twitter was giving checkmarks to people it agreed with ideologically, sometimes actively selling them behind the scenes, and denying them to people they didn't like.Pre-Musk twitter granted checkmarks to people like celebrities and government officials, in order to prove that they are who they say they are. And businesses, in order to prove that they are who they say they are. The original concept of a blue checkmark was to verify you as a person or entity. Like an ID. The mistake old twitter made was revoking blue checkmarks from people they felt had dishonored themselves. that's when it went from mere ID verification to status symbol.However, Musk magnified this problem by turning the blue checkmark into something you can purchase. Thus, it became an even worse status symbol. Anyone could purchase legitimacy. And then their tweets would be pushed up to the front. It created classism within twitter.But not only that, Elon also went on to revoke blue checkmarks on a whim just like the old twitter regime did. So he was no better than them in that respect.>I'm just not deranged and frothing at the mouthYou just claim that Elon is not meddling and controlling, despite all evidence proving that completely false.
>>719471801A much of immobile kids who spend 90% of their time in front of a screen are not beating anyone up. They'll be bullied for being weak.
>>719475827to be fair the dates september 11, 12 and 13 are all on that passport, not just the 11th.
>>719474546You feel that way because you speak without conviction.
>>719468504>people actually had manners and dignity>you could smoke anywherePick one you senile faggot
>>719476269You're right in the sense that Musk is just as bad as the old moderation of twitter, it's just that now he's on the faux right wing side of things because he sees the coming global shift towards the right wing after years of unhinged leftism, he just thinks Musk isn't as bad because he's promoting "right wing" positions instead of lefty ones. You must be pretty delusional to not know how leftist twitter was before he bought it, though.In reality, he's still a mentally ill elite who will just ask "how high" when his masters tell him to jump.
>>719470916>All phenomena that failed miserably (outside of germany lol) while in the golden age of crass action comedies and metal edge
>>719462520Yes. Society has been in a constant state of decline for several decades by now. This is not just nostalgia, but statistically provable, blindingly obvious truth, if you count real wages, cost of living, home ownership rate, marriage rate, etc. Zoomers are just relentlessly brainwashed into believing that the past cant possibly be THAT good, that they cant possibly be THAT much of a loser, that the world just cant possibly be THAT fucked. But it is. We simply had much better, livable lives, much better social progression, much better communities, much better entertainment, much better everything.>>719462586Shoot down the planes with MANPADS before they hit the tower and redpill the world when the towers still explode.
>>719462520The unspoken horror of these images is that the entirety of the writer’s understanding on what the 90s were like is food and consumer products. Don’t talk about the job market, don’t talk about affordable homes, don’t talk about consistent advances in both science and engineering that gave people hope for the future. No, the 90s were about microwaveable food and video games.
>>719470916All that shit is league better than today. The moral panic was easy to ignore, violent video games existed. These days attractive women are considered violence against real women and are not allowed in non-chinese gacha games.
>>719476803This is because the vast majority of these kinds of images are made by millennials who experienced none of these things, they were children in the 90s.
>>719476493people back then>"there's a crowd of people smoking, ill walk around them"people now>"there's a crowd of people smoking, why should i walk around them? theyre blocking me! *cough* *cough* YOU'RE ALL EVIL *gets phone out, starts streaming it live* "these people are actively trying to kill me!"
>>719476518>he just thinks Musk isn't as bad because he's promoting "right wing" positions instead of lefty onesThere's some truth to that, but not in the "it's okay when we do it" sense. More because if a site is promoting right-wing positions in a sea of sites enforcing left-wing orthodoxy, that at least provides some kind of balance. It was really bad there for a while.But I still prefer a lack of bias, and Musk's handling of twitter has been disappointing. I still think him buying it and breaking the speech and information stranglehold did a lot of good, though.
>>719476518Like I said: I've heard vague claims about old twitter performing coordinated suppression of ideas that go against the left. I just haven't seen compelling evidence that they actually did it. A site being run by leftists is easy to see. I don't doubt that. I just don't assume that every leftist run site is suppressing the right.Personally, I don't believe that removing stuff like neo-nazi rhetoric counts as unjust suppression. If you get on twitter and say "Hitler was right". I think it's a moderate stance to ban that account. Call me radical if you want.
>>719476713The fall of the Soviet Union left us at the mercy of Wall Street's vampires.
>>719476860But those things are why their childhoods were good.
>>719476945the left doesn't censor because when they delete posts or deplatform whole people it's just the "moderate" thing to do. brilliant mental gymnastics.p.s. radical
>>719476926>I still think him buying it and breaking the speech and information stranglehold did a lot of good, though.You keep saying this, as if Elon has not banned accounts for criticizing him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/December_2022_Twitter_suspensions
>>719476945>If you get on twitter and say "Hitler was right". I think it's a moderate stance to ban that account.See, this is where you differ from anyone who believes in free speech. You can think the statement is morally reprehensible and the guy saying it is a bad person for it, but censorship is not the answer.If leftism made sense, there wouldn't be any neo nazis. The only way that leftism can survive is in a bubble where you block out any critique, because the ideology is based on lies and is incompatible with scrutiny. Let's take something simple that leftists generally disagree with, like the idea that transgender athletes shouldn't be able to compete in competitions outside of their biological sex because men are blatantly better at competition than women are. This is a point you are not allowed to make in the leftist world, because it's "evil".
>>719476864back then:>walk into any public building>can't breathe
>>719465996You are retarded. I can tell because you are focusing on the joke part of the image rather than the actual statement, even though it's very clear which is which. When I say retarded, I don't mean that you made a mistake, I mean that your brain doesn't work.
>>719477441not true, you couldnt smoke in most libraries for obvious reasons, it wasnt illegal, but youd get thrown out
>>719470820You can only put so much into 2000 characters, but yeah. Nothing here is incorrect or inaccurate.The internet was quite literally the last bastion of true freedom, and it was sold out by politicians who got their dicks sucked by Media Labels, people like Jack Thompson, bible-thumping soccermoms, and the worst offender of them all, fucking Google.What we could have had was a utopia.What we got was willfully obedient, room-temp IQ, mouthbreathing retards throwing every aspect of their life out into the ether in the shallow hope that 'they too could become e-famous'. The sad fact is most of these ignorant, illiterate, and mindless drones couldn't be interesting enough to give a fuck about unless their life was being taken while some dumbfuck holding their phone yelling "WORLDSTAR NIGGA!" will hopelessly record it in their own vain attempt at e-celeb status.ALL THE WHILE having the morons who have no idea how any of this shit works have the most say in "how it should be" and dragging us all down with them while they cut off their own noses to spite their face.
>>719476269>What exactly got suppressed?Everything. Anything that wasn't in line with the left-wing narrative was suppressed everywhere, often in secretive ways, and Twitter was the worst of it. Any other form of thought couldn't gain any traction at all. Anyone who wasn't enthusiastically left-wing had no voice.>Even if that were true, that doesn't absolve him of his own manipulations.It's 100% true, but fair point.>The mistake old twitter made was revoking blue checkmarks from people they felt had dishonored themselves. that's when it went from mere ID verification to status symbol.I'm glad you acknowledge that. They undermined its purpose and doled it out as an endorsement of people, and there were (unsubstantiated?) reports of people paying thousands of dollars on the backend to get one.>Musk magnified this problem by turning the blue checkmark into something you can purchase. Thus, it became an even worse status symbol. Anyone could purchase legitimacy. And then their tweets would be pushed up to the front. It created classism within twitter.That's better than only giving it to people who share your opinions. This, while not ideal, allows anyone to get one.I don't like what Musk did with it, by the way. It's just better than what came before.>But not only that, Elon also went on to revoke blue checkmarks on a whim just like the old twitter regime did. So he was no better than them in that respect.He spergs out and does stupid, immature shit like that sometimes, but it's nothing compared to the widespread suppression that came before.>You just claim that Elon is not meddling and controlling, despite all evidence proving that completely false.His meddling isn't about controlling our lives. That's the key difference. He's erratic and inconsistent about it, but generally falls on the side of free speech and personal freedom. My whole point was that I favor the mega-rich person who isn't trying to control ME and the way I live.
>>719477383>See, this is where you differ from anyone who believes in free speechNot true. A lot of people think like I do. Perhaps even the majority. I just think that a platform is not beholden to host anyone and anything on that platform. For example, 4chan bans furries.(or at least, they used to before /trash/. Banning furries is not anti free speech. Rather, it's cultivating the environment that suits your platform. Owning a podium does not obligate you to allow anyone to use your podium.
>>719477107>You keep saying this, as if Elon has not banned accounts for criticizing him.Did you not read the part where I said "Musk's handling of twitter has been disappointing"? I acknowledge he's been inconsistent with it. But he broke the complete stranglehold big tech progressives (working hand in hand with the government) had on speech. It made a huge fucking difference. I'm glad he did it even though I'm disappointed with what came after.
>>719477636>Everything. Anything that wasn't in line with the left-wing narrative was suppressed everywhere,Hunter Biden's laptop, the evidence of the Obama admin/FBI's espionage and frame job of the Trump campaign, antifa's violence, etc.All censored, removed, and their posters b& by twitter. Hell they even banned Trump himself.
>>719462581Agreed. The least you can do when you were shilling that you are the strongest country in the world is not crumble and behave like a bitch that had no fucking clue. Even worst going full greed with what you have been getting away with for years and getting exposed since the entire world was watching. But also the games were becoming really REALLY shit because the AI and challenge wasn't getting any smarter. It too a decade for a small Japanese developer to start kicking all your asses and stop hand holding.
>>719477720>I just think that a platform is not beholden to host anyone and anything on that platform.I think there is a point where you are required morally to allow contradictory viewpoints, and that point is when you're attempting to be the world's podium.If it was written at the top of the site that you cannot say "Hitler was right", you would have a point. The problem comes when you pretend to be a platform for public opinion, and then use that position to actively suppress any opinion you disagree with. It's like having a public forum for debate, but any time anyone you don't like steps up, you shoot him.
>>719476481>never change your mind, the first thought you ever had on a topic is always the right onegb2t
>>719477808>>719477636The Democratic Party is dead and liberals are in full damage control, but the last 5-6 years have been so horrifying that I don’t think they’ll be a major authority on anything for the next 10 years. That’s how these culture shifts work anyway; the start of the “woke” generation was 2015, it’s been 10 years. Same with how 2005 - 2015 was full of big buff white guys.Looking forward to the next decade!
>>719465805The fuck most people built their PCs back then and it was way cheaper than what you are talking about. People who had a PC were Nerds & Geeks. The entire internet was more educated as well.
>>719477928>Always doubt yourself, never believe your own opinions and wait until someone with a blue checkmark says something.
>>719462520in terms of video games, fuck yes they were. think about where video games were a decade ago and where they now. in 1990 we were still on the 8-bit era with NESes and by 1998 we had Half-Life and Metal Gear Solid. if you were a gamer born in the 80s, it was a hell of a time to be a kid or teenager.
>>719477636>Everything. Anything that wasn't in line with the left-wing narrative was suppressed everywhere, often in secretive ways, and Twitter was the worst of it. Any other form of thought couldn't gain any traction at all. Anyone who wasn't enthusiastically left-wing had no voice.Sorry anon. But you're just making more grand claims without proof. So I don't really have anything I can identify as suppression. I can't believe you on grand claims alone.>That's better than only giving it to people who share your opinions.Wrong. It would be like giving power to every namefag and tripfag on 4chan. Imagine if the likes of ruggarel could purchase a pass that puts all of his posts at the top of the thread. Now you just have a bunch of whack jobs controlling narratives. It muddies things.>His meddling isn't about controlling our livesAttempting to build a false narrative through manipulating social media, so that you give him the power required to replace the jobs of your fellow citizens with foreigners, is meddling in your lives.I really don't care what other point you're trying to make. Because you based it on contrasting Elon Musk. And I'm trying to explain to you that it's not the contrast you think it is.
>>719468504I’ll never stop laughing at how in the 80s my chemistry prof would light his cigarette using the bunsen burner it really was a much better time can’t believe it’s 40+ years since then. I get that cigarettes cause lung cancer and in a chemistry lab cigarettes could also cause a chemical reaction and explosion but it’s still funny.
>>719477720>Owning a podium does not obligate you to allow anyone to use your podium.NTA, but you've switched from "banning speech praising Hitler isn't unjust suppression" to "they can do it if they want, they own the platform". Those are two very different arguments.On the basis of the first one, that anon is right. You're not in favor of free speech. You believe in suppressing speech you don't like.On the basis of the latter argument, sure, but it becomes complicated when all the podiums which have become central to public discourse are banning the same speech.
>>719468504Hey man Y2K was a real issue! Planes could have started falling from the sky.
>>719472091>you get fucked by monkey paw physics There's already magic at play for time travel to function so your kobayashi maru shit doesn't apply. I invest wisely and by 2012 am so wealthy that I make Amber Herd dress up like a lame character and then fuck her in the ass.
>>719477913>I think there is a point where you are required morally to allow contradictory viewpoints, and that point is when you're attempting to be the world's podium.I'm of the opinion that when you reach that scale, you should be forcibly split into parts, in order to avoid a monopoly. But we really don't to that kind of thing anymore.>If it was written at the top of the site that you cannot say "Hitler was right", you would have a point. But twitter did have rules against hate speech.
>>719474230Nah, shut the fuck up redditor.
>>719477964>but the last 5-6 years have been so horrifying that I don’t think they’ll be a major authority on anything for the next 10 yearsI hope so. Of course, it's of small comfort when the attacks on speech and anonymity are still going as strong as ever
>>719473656You are not working one hour a day are you.
>>719470820This is very true. I can’t believe we had yellow pages in the old days not just for business but you could find random people in it too. Maybe the intention was to meet up with old friends but that contributed a lot to wrecking privacy. Even the show Monty Python made fun of bad data privacy in one of their skits where they interviewed a man who said inflammatory statements then put his name in the credits with his home address and telephone number - fake of course as part of the skit’s joke but this was the norm back then. My school had an alumni white pages that actually doxed all students lol it showed full addresses and phone numbers. When I had 2 exams conflict with each other it turns out students had different exam time slots and I got unlucky, when I went to explain the school administration they told me to call all students I knew and to beg them to change exam slots with me. Thankfully they wised up and removed that shit nowadays. Yet they put the city in lockdown and closed the school after someone did a navy seal copypasta lol.
>>719478303>But twitter did have rules against hate speech.How is saying "Hitler was right" hate speech?
>>719468504Yeah, you tell them zoomers, boomer-bro. That damn 9/11 really changed the whole world and shit.
>>719478563leftists hate it, that's the definition of hate speech.
>>719478576The drop in crime has been attributed entirely to the end of leaded fuel. That shit was like an aggression drug and everybody was huffing it everywhere they went.
>>719478761The funniest part is that figures will never go as low as they were in the 1960s again.
>>719478336They’ve always been going strong. We’re in a rough time of it, but there’s been efforts to curtail free speech for as long as it’s been enshrined in the constitution. I guess that’s part of the whole “living document” thing. I guess what I’m ultimately trying to say is that we’ve turned the corner, we’re going back into the shit we thought was cool. Don’t forget what happened these past 10 years, but you can breathe again.
>>719463564AI post?
>>719478065>Sorry anon. But you're just making more grand claims without proof. So I don't really have anything I can identify as suppression. I can't believe you on grand claims alone.You're making unsubstantiated claims as well, and I'm taking them in good faith rather than demanding sources, but whatever. I'm not going hunting for them. Everyone knows it happened, except for you apparently.>Wrong.Oh, so it''s better than only the approved opinions get boosted? Interesting.>Attempting to build a false narrative through manipulating social media, so that you give him the power required to replace the jobs of your fellow citizens with foreigners, is meddling in your lives.He already had the power to do that. Any employer does. Immigration is a major issue that needs addressing, but he didn't purchase the ability to do it by being a billionaire or by helping get Trump elected. Owning a corporation gives him an advantage, sure, but that's not the same thing, is it?>I really don't care what other point you're trying to make. Because you based it on contrasting Elon Musk. And I'm trying to explain to you that it's not the contrast you think it is.And I don't care that you get so triggered by Musk that you need to make a semi-related point all about him. The point I was making was about the use of wealth rather than the existence of it, but since you're so fixated on Musk, I'll still stand by the assertion that I'll take him over Bill Gates any day of the week.
>>719479021I really hope so, anon. I'm not ready to breathe just yet, given all the worldwide government overreach, but thanks for the encouragement. It's still nice to win some victories and prove that sanity can win out.
>>719478151>"banning speech praising Hitler isn't unjust suppression"That is a subjective statement. My argument here isn't that they have some universal principled justification for suppressing Nazi sympathies. It's that the I understand how the fact that the Nazis were so bad, someone of a moderate disposition would want to ban expressions of sympathy from their platform.So no, I didn't switch when I said they can do it if they want with their platform. I am however, drawing a line in the sand of severity levels. Where sympathizing with nazis is about as extreme as you can be.My stances are typically grounded in the notions that the people who own a thing have the ability to do with it what they will, as long as they aren't harming others in the process. To me, that is freedom of expression. Like say you owned a theater. You have full control over what you can put on your stage. You worked hard for this. And now finally, you can feature all of the plays that YOU enjoy. But then someone comes in and tells you "hey! you have to make time for *my* play. If you don't, then you're not allowing me to exercise my freedom of speech". What they're doing is twisting things around. Actually, they're encroaching on YOUR freedom of speech, by forcing you to put on plays you don't want.Basically, it's the old gay wedding cake conundrum. I'm on the side of the baker who refuses to make a gay wedding cake.
>>719478919>The funniest part is that figures will never go as low as they were in the 1960s again.That is just a data entry thing. The increase in crime is both diversity and the ability to use a telephone and call the police to a crime until it peaks in the 90s when people realize that the cops aren't going to solve shit and you're just wasting your time along with a helpful dose of stat juking by the police themselves.
>>719478563We had entire history lessons in school about this. Refer to your memories. Assuming you made it that far before dropping out.
>>719476415The 11 being used as the expiration date, from the three dates that are on the passport, makes it even creepier. It is sort of a ritual of marking the end, the death of something.
>>719479206Propaganda lessons written by the victors of war, yes. Isn't it strange how the bad guys have never won a single war?
>>719479157>Actually, they're encroaching on YOUR freedom of speech, by forcing you to put on plays you don't want.They're not. If anything, you're hindering their speech since you're shutting down an outlet for them to express it. However, this is more of a business issue; and businesses aren't as beholden to the expectations of speech that the government is.
90s stuff was full of hope https://youtu.be/3ekUQTpVohg
>>719462520Yes.Back then we had individual internet communities instead of hordes of brown retards smearing shit they found on twitter and tiktok everywhere.
>>719465101ah yes and get picked up by glownigs within minutes and commit suicide by a double tap to the back of the head for attempting to shut down their operation
>>719470820Anyone else thinking about the future recently due to their use of AI algorithms. They are catering a bubble of information per person on the net and now networking your Internet profile that identifies you off other peoples devices hearing your daily conversations. An AI is in control of all of that so the few in the big business now easily influence mob thought
>>719479620I didn't know this song was in mortal kombat. I have never played a single mortla kombat game ever
>>719479082>Oh, so it''s better than only the approved opinions get boosted? Interesting.Checkmarks didn't get boosted until Elon introduced that feature. Before that point, their posts were weighted the same as everyone else's.Also, there were a lot of right wing check marks on twitter too. While the old twitter did revoke some, it was for extreme cases and rare occurrences. By and large, the right wing contingent were just as capable of attaining check marks as other people. Pic related is proof. Just a random tweet I grabbed off google images.(so don't give me shit about the contents of the tweet) It's pre-Elon Twitter. And it's one of the most infamous right wing conservative commentators with a blue check mark.>He already had the power to do that. Any employer doesMost people don't have the money to purchase twitter. No. Your average employer is just a blue checkmark on twitter. Not the owner of it.>but he didn't purchase the ability to do it by being a billionaire or by helping get Trump elected.Those were the moves he made. Even if you assume that other people can do it, they don't. But he did. He meddled. He assumed control. And the results directly affects the lives of millions.>The point I was making was about the use of wealth rather than the existence of it,And your point is wrong. Because you used Elon to draw the contrast. But Elon is just as guilty as the others. There is little to no contrast between them. The fact that you argue this just makes you appear like a Elon bootlicker. Despite what minor disagreements you have with the man. You still excuse his largest offenses.>"All I'm saying is, this vassal of the underworld is preferable to the king of the underworld"Yeah, great point there genius.
>>719479437>Isn't it strange how the bad guys have never won a single war?Yeah, and even more, it's safe to say that any winner is bad guy, good guys never win. The same with human lifespan, if someone live long he is most certainly scum, good people die early.
>>719462520I feel like i can appreciate 90s and Early 2000s as a adult than as a kid.
>>719465938You stop prosecuting them because foreign money pays to elect Marxist prosecutors so that crime explodes and society begins to crumble to lay the groundwork for socialism and the inevitable communist takeover.
>>719479592>If anything, you're hindering their speech since you're shutting down an outlet for them to express it.The "outlet" was built by your own two hands. Figuratively speaking. You earned the money, and then paid the contractors to build you the theater. So in that sense, you built it. It's yours to do with what you want. That is the original twitter. How can you "shut down" an outlet that you created?
>>719476945Idiotic leftist simp, trying to cover up constant censorship.
>>7194625209/11 will be the event that future historians deem the beginning of the end for the US empire
>>719474658how fuckin stupid can you be?
>>719479157>I am however, drawing a line in the sand of severity levels. Where sympathizing with nazis is about as extreme as you can be.I don't agree that merely expressing sympathy for a group or ideology is extreme, even with all the baggage that comes with nazism. For me this illustrates how widespread the vilification of speech has become, because I remember a time when saying something like that would just make people think that you were a fucking idiot, not evoke an urgent need to silence you.>My stances are typically grounded in the notions that the people who own a thing have the ability to do with it what they will, as long as they aren't harming others in the process. To me, that is freedom of expression. Like say you owned a theater. You have full control over what you can put on your stage. You worked hard for this. And now finally, you can feature all of the plays that YOU enjoy. But then someone comes in and tells you "hey! you have to make time for *my* play. If you don't, then you're not allowing me to exercise my freedom of speech". What they're doing is twisting things around. Actually, they're encroaching on YOUR freedom of speech, by forcing you to put on plays you don't want.>Basically, it's the old gay wedding cake conundrum. I'm on the side of the baker who refuses to make a gay wedding cake.And I agree with you in principle, but as I said, I think it becomes a lot more tricky when your platform has essentially taken over as THE public platform and people can't reasonably express their views outside of it. It's not an easy question to answer.I'm all for freedom, and in fact I wish individuals had a lot more of it. But since we don't (the image of students being forced at gunpoint to attend unsegregated schools comes to mind) the right of a corporation to suppress my democratic concerns about the state of my country is extremely low on my list of freedoms that need defending.
>only owned like 5 games>still played a good chunk of consoles library through rentals and borrowing from friendswe owned nothing and were happy but unironically
It's crazy how hard zoomers are trying to gaslight millennials ITT. We lived through the 90s. We know how much better it was. You were born too late. You lost.
>>719462520last remaining collective sense of hope (in the West) while the bad things were building up in the background
>>719480695>remember a time when saying something like that would just make people think that you were a fucking idiotAnd then what would follow? You would stop hanging out with that person. "Don't bring anon around, he's a dickhead". Effectively banning him.Same thing, different means. The owners of twitter decided they didn't want to hang out with you.>I think it becomes a lot more tricky when your platform has essentially taken over as THE public platformTwitter became thee public platform by popularity. And it became popular, due to how they regulated their platform. As it turns out, most people don't want to hear that kind of speech, so they feel comfortable on twitter. Similarly, when people came to 4chan, they didn't want to hear from furries. So they felt comfortable on 4chan, where they banned furries. 4chan doesn't owe furries a platform now that it's a popular website. And twitter doesn't owe nazi sympathizers a platform just because they're popular.>(the image of students being forced at gunpoint to attend unsegregated schools comes to mind)This actually hurts my brain. I'm trying to wrap my head around the idea that segregation is somehow more free than desegregation. That's what you're implying, right? That the right to choose which race of school you attend should be a right? Uhhh... I can see the parallels you're drawing from my arguments to the issue of segregation. It coming down to freedom of choice. But it is the government's job to create a system that's as just and fair as possible. And segregation was not just and fair. The images of people being at gun points, was for fear that the protests were going to become so out of control, that people would get hurt, and property would be damaged. The use of force was to quell aggression from people who felt they had the moral right to harm others based on their race. It's not exactly the same, despite the parallels.
Most of my top games were released in the 2000s but I do want to stay in the 90s culturally and socially. Not because I was younger but it was literally a better time to just do whatever and people largely did not give a fuck save for some rando politician and soccer moms.
>>719479909>Checkmarks didn't get boosted until Elon introduced that feature.My mistake. Pre-Musk twitter's major issue was behind the scenes algorithm tampering. Still, checkmarks were seen as a mark of legitimacy. You yourself admitted they were administered as a status symbol.Some right wingers being able to retain checkmarks during that time means little; others were losing them and many couldn't gain one in the first place.>it was for extreme cases and rare occurrences"Extreme cases" like "promoting hate", an incredibly broad and ideologically progressive rule entirely geared to suppressing opinions they didn't like.>Most people don't have the money to purchase twitter.It's like eight fucking dollars a month. Though it costs more for organizations apparently.>He assumed control. And the results directly affects the lives of millions.He had a short, limited role in government, which should not have happened. It's still not the "control" you're clumsily trying to liken to my initial point. I've made the distinction between wealthy people who want to control me and wealthy people who don't. You haven't demonstrated that Musk is in the latter category.>You still excuse his largest offenses.In contrast to your perpetual wailing about the man, I've been fair. I've identified things I don't like about him and I've defended some other things.You continue to insist on your anti-Musk screed. It's also interesting that you have hyper-specific knowledge about exactly how twitter operated before and after him but are still (allegedly) ignorant of the widespread suppression of speech. You're demonstrating that you're mired in hysteria, and that you're getting highly selective talking points from people similarly afflicted.Also, I don't know why the fuck I'm still arguing with you about this since it's not even important to my original point. You're not going to drag me into your obsessive weeds anymore. Fuck off.
>>719480087>AIM notificationOh godOH FUCK
I kinda feel bad for zoomers until I realize they're all faggots.
>>719462581I really think it was before facebook and smartphones
>>719470916the only "moral panic" I ever witnessed was over Manhunt 2, and that was purely news-driven. <spoiler>And I still bought it </spoiler>
>>719462520No 1999 game looked like this
>>719482747Don't look for just one reason, there are many. also major hits were 9/11Irak in 2003Subprime in 2008Trump in 2016Covid in 2020
It’s not even a comparison the internet fucked everything up. It was never something that every person needed to have. and even if every person had it, it never needed to be in their pocket 24/7. the way people act around eachother today is totally different and it’s 100 percent because of the internet and downstream smart phone problems as well. people shit on zoomers for not being social but honestly I understand why they aren’t because they all feel like if they do or say one thing that’s stupid or weird everyone will know about it because of social media or someone screencappinf what they say, recording them, etc. the way people interact today is just totally different.
>>719481957>And then what would follow? You would stop hanging out with that person. "Don't bring anon around, he's a dickhead". Effectively banning him.>Same thing, different means. The owners of twitter decided they didn't want to hang out with you.Not the same thing at all. The response has changed from "Ugh I don't want to hang out with him" to "he must be stopped from saying it". It's a massive difference.>Twitter became thee public platform by popularity. And it became popular, due to how they regulated their platformThen why did they hide how they were doing it? Why did they manipulate trending topics on the sly? Why is it still very popular, except with butthurt leftists who no longer effectively own it?>But it is the government's job to create a system that's as just and fair as possible. And segregation was not just and fair.So it's fine for people to have their freedom of association revoked, to be forced to mingle with people they have strong reservations about, because it's just and fair. But it's not fine to force a corporation to allow people to speak freely, even when that corporation controls the public square, and their suppression of speech likewise controls the entire public conversation. In an alleged democracy.I don't agree with your priorities at all, and I think you undermine your own pro-freedom argument.>The use of force was to quell aggression from people who felt they had the moral right to harm others based on their race. It's not exactly the same, despite the parallels.The images I have seen don't show an attempt to quell aggression. They show students being forced IN to unsegregated schools. Again, at gunpoint - DIRECTLY at gun point, not with guns displayed as a show of deterrence - by the military. It was an egregious, heavy-handed revocation of personal freedom and everyone who claims to support freedom of any kind should be repulsed by it.
>>719462520Great, no. Better than the world today? Without a doubt.
>>719482512>others were losing them and many couldn't gain one in the first place.Like who? Lemme see... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Twitter_Blue_verification_controversy>In November 2016, Twitter suspended prominent white nationalist Richard B. Spencer from the platform, along with several other alt-right figures Spencer's account was then reinstated in December, with his verification status remaining intactHmmm. A white nationalist actually got his checkmark returned to him. That's surprising. https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/news/2016/12/12/twitter-reinstates-white-nationalist-richard-spencer/95327236/>"We do not know why Twitter allowed a hate-mongerer like Spencer back on its platform," said Jonathan Greenblatt, CEO of the Anti-Defamation League, in a statement posted to Twitter. He said his organization "will be monitoring his Twitter activity closely."Damn, even the ADL was mad about that one.>Twitter faced backlash in November 2017 when it verified the account of Jason Kessler, a neo-Nazi and white supremacist. The backlash forced Twitter to pause its verification program.[9] Several days later, Twitter removed Spencer and Kessler's verification statuses.>Likewise, Twitter had removed verification from Breitbart News editor Milo Yiannopoulos for violating its policies in January, signaling Twitter verification implied endorsement.From what I'm reading. There were like a handful of alt-right people who lost their verification, then got them reinstated. And then another nazi guy got his removed along with Milo. So like two guys.
>steam deck
>>719462640What was going on in 2005 that made you feel that way? I think that was one of the last great years. I’d even say up until 2008 felt good.
>>719482512>It's still not the "control" you're clumsily trying to liken to my initial pointHe was literally hiring and firing people. And checking records of government employees in mass, by using """AI""", in order to determine if they should be able to keep their jobs.He was about to change immigration requirements before he and Trump had a falling out.And again, BEFORE he got into government, he manipulated social media in order to garner more support for Trump. Which is what allowed him into that position. I'm sorry, but you're just wrong about this. I don't know why you keep trying to say he didn't meddle and control. Just admit that he did, and I'll stop my "wailing".
>>719483492>From what I'm reading. There were like a handful of alt-right people who lost their verification, then got them reinstated. And then another nazi guy got his removed along with Milo. So like two guys.This is the people who actively had them removed, which is pretty abysmal on its own, but it fails to account for how difficult it was for many right-wingers to get one in the first place, while they were handed out like candy for influential leftists. It was profoundly unbalanced and it was a deliberate attempt to influence public perception and discourse.
>>719464071Last I heard zoomers are idolizing shit like the 90's, and they flat out weren't fucking around for it.
>>719483797>I'm sorry, but you're just wrong about this. I don't know why you keep trying to say he didn't meddle and control. Just admit that he did, and I'll stop my "wailing".Your definition of "control" is too fucking broad, I've repeatedly stated I'm talking about attempts to exert control over people and the way they live their lives. Firing people from his company and cutting chaff in the government is fundamentally un-fucking-related to that, so no, your hysteria will get no validation from me.
>>719462951other than GPS for maps I don’t really see why we need these things. I was happier with a flip phone that had a keyboard. It’s just a phone and not some dystopian intrusive device.
Not in my country.90s were hell in post-communist worldstill, I miss being a kid
>>719484021I have a zoomer relative 2 actually and they had made a remark that people in older movies seem happier. I don’t watch a lot of movies so idk what they’re comparison is based on but I believe though. They were talking about colored movies but I’m pretty sure stuff from the 80s- 2000s
thank god the leftards dont control the narrative online anymore
>>719484297>I have a zoomer relative 2 actually and they had made a remark that people in older movies seem happier.I've heard the same thing when zoomers see old videos and pictures. I think it's just that there's a less overbearing, omnipresent sense of constant connectedness. People had an easier time to disconnect and destress, rather than getting 70 notifications a day and a constant feed of internet drama and bullshit.
>>719484352Musk is far from perfect but nothing could be as bad as the cancer-riddled Twitter that existed before he bought itEven if I hate just about everything else he says and does, I will always be grateful he pried Twitter out of their sweaty, corpulent fingers
>>719463421Yeah bro I miss that experience a lot of going to blockbuster. Finding hidden gems and weird shit you never had heard of. Made you feel like you made the righr choice going. You simply put the game in the console and it ran because it didn’t need to update or install anything. Unironically driving there and renting the games and coming home was a smoother process and a better one than having to download and patch a game that will probably suck anyway. I remember in HS I would go with my dad and I would typically get an Xbox game and my brother would get a GameCube game and my pops would rent a movie or two for him and my mom. could also read the game magazines quickly flipping around the pages and leave with some high sugar snack as well. My dad passed a year back and my brother and I occasionally reminisce on stories like that which seemed ordinary in the moment but have been things we’ve missed for years now that are gone.
>>719462581I am not even American, but around every 9/11 anniversary, I passively watch/listen through hours of 9/11 television footage. It's crazy how alien the demeanor of the people of that time feels compared to today. They all seem like such genuine and innocent people. Even the crappy commercials have a wholesome vibe to them.
>>719462520Depends on what you're measuring. For crime, the late 90s was a valley after the absolutely atrocious late 50s-early 90s where crime was out of control. Baby boomers are also the most degenerate generation and each generation since has been less awful in that respect, but each generation has been more awful in others (decline in testosterone, decline in intelligence, rise in minorities). The 90s is when racial tension was at its lowest, as well, on that topic.For video games, I think they're always going in peaks and valleys, but the greatest peak was probably the late 90s and early 00s. If you look at the video game industry throughout the 00s, you can see the shift in target audience. In the early 00s, games were still creative and colorful, but by the end of the 00s, all the biggest games were the fourth or fifth iteration of brown and gray character action slop. Nintendo became secondary consoles for children and the elderly, Xbox was now on the scene and pandering to dudebros, and Sony couldn't recreate the success of the PS2 no matter how hard they tried. AAA developers were now exclusively designing games for people with a 90 IQ obsessed with realism and banality, while smaller developers were showing up (eg. Valve, From) to pick up the slack.
>>719483325>"Ugh I don't want to hang out with him" to "he must be stopped from saying it"The desire to want to no longer associate with someone, can be due to minor reasons or it can be due to major reasons. The sentiment of "he must be stopped from saying it", stems from a major reason. Something that offended you greatly. Like statements of Nazi sympathy for example. But the sentiment doesn't change the principle of the matter, that they no longer want you around. As is their right as owners of the podium/stage/platform/business.So no, principally, it's not a difference at all.>Then why did they hide how they were doing it? Why did they manipulate trending topics on the sly? Like what? Give me an example.>So it's fine for people to have their freedom of association revoked, to be forced to mingle with people they have strong reservations about, because it's just and fair.Because it's the very backbone of the country's principles and beliefs that all men are created equal. And being able to create racial divisions on a level as broad and schooling goes against those principles. I think this is much more broad and upper level than owning a social media platform. Twitter is not a public square. It just happens to be a place where a lot of people gathered. If the government wanted a real public square, then they should create their own twitter. On the government's platform, I would be more inclined to agree with you, that they shouldn't censor speech of ANY kind. No matter how vile. But the idea that you can claim that you should be heard on the basis that a platform is popular, is wrong. I'm almost tempted to agree with you. But you're wrong. Being popular alone does not entitle you to the usage of a platform.
>>719484714>all men are created equalThis statement is directly contradicted by reality. All men are not created equally, in any sense of the word.
>>719462520>the 90s were great!>here's an ai rendition of what's supposedly a 90's holeDie
>>719484652I know what you mean a lot of older commercials and advertisements just somehow seem a lot more genuine and less corporate somehow despite being corporate by nature because of what they are/were. Idk how they did it but they turned everything shitty.
>>719483325>The images I have seen don't show an attempt to quell aggression. They show students being forced IN to unsegregated schools. Again, at gunpoint - DIRECTLY at gun pointWhere else would students go at that time except school? Ask yourself that. It's because they were preparing to protest and potentially riot.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Rock_Nine>Several segregationist councils threatened to hold protests at Central High and physically block the black students from entering the school. Governor Orval Faubus deployed the Arkansas National Guard to support the segregationists on September 4, 1957.
>>719462520The late 90s and early 2000s were the apex of humanity.
Yee
>>719464071>every generation thinks times were better when they were a kid/youngactually it used to be the opposite, our parents would comment how good we have it and we are spoiled and ungrateful. nobody tells their kids that anymore. everything is doom and gloom, the modern world sucks because of trannies/pedos/obesity/degeneracy/diversity/racism/sexism/transphobia/gun control/gun violence, depending on your parents politics
>>719484195Buddy, garmin navigators were a thing before smartphones. GPS isn't some arcane thing that was invented for phones.
>>719483895>which is pretty abysmal on its own, but it fails to account for how difficult it was for many right-wingers to get one in the first placeLike who?
>>719484652>Even the crappy commercials have a wholesome vibe to them.Lmao you sound like such a gay retard. All I remember is the EXTREEEEEME toy commercials blasting colors in your face, the liquid metal man in Capri Sun commercials. It was great though. And we use to call people gay retards a lot without being socially crucified... take me back. I'm canadian too so we basically went from house hippos and YTV segments between commercials to who gives a shit about anything WHY ARE THERE SO MANY INDIANS ITS A SEA OF SHIT AND BROWN
>>719462520yep
>>719484169Yeah man, controlling the staff of the government isn't actually control. You're right. My bad.
>>719465050How would you feel of you didnt have breakfast?
>>719484352>>719484597This from the same guy who was upset about his own AI disagreeing with his politically beliefs, so he lobotomized it, turning it into a right wing extremist.
>>719484597indeed, i dislike the man, but he did do the internet a great service
>>719462520Not once have I ever heard someone actually say "Totino's" when referring to Pizza Rolls outside of the commercials.
>>719469075>Millenials were the ones who lived through it, and we're all fucking bitter about the outcome.100% this. The world is fucked and most don't realize would could have been. Zoomers happily put on their digital chains thinking they are smart and free.fucken cattle
>>719485449They literally don't know any better, they weren't alive when the world was half-decent, and by the time they could form memories, pop culture was replaced with awful capeshit movies and fortnite.
>>719474159This was a nine year old in 1986
>>719485956back when two chicks at the same time was the ultimate goal for all men
>>719484714>So no, principally, it's not a difference at all.Avoiding something you don't like and actively interfering to prevent it are vastly different, but I can see we're not going to agree on this.>Like what? Give me an example.No. Refer to >>719484352 for an anecdotal one.>And being able to create racial divisions on a level as broad and schooling goes against those principles. My problem isn't enforcing desegregation on an administrative level (although I have a problem with that too), it's forcing the compliance of individuals at gun point. Students. Children. Because the government thought they weren't being inclusive enough.>Twitter is not a public square.A meaningless distinction when it functions as one, in combination with the other major platforms that censored the same shit in lockstep - and at the behest of the government I believe, but I'm not digging out a source for that.>On the government's platform, I would be more inclined to agree with you, that they shouldn't censor speech of ANY kind. No matter how vile.I'm glad you think so, but it's still strange that your pro-freedom stance is all about the corporation's freedom to suppress public speech but you have no problem at all with the government forcefully revoking the right to freedom of association. I'm repeating myself, but it really undercuts the moral principle you're standing on - one I would at least sympathize with if (despite disagreeing with the finer points) it were sincere and consistent.>Being popular alone does not entitle you to the usage of a platform.The point is the lack of alternatives. The right to speech is a very important one, especially in a country that purports to be a democracy. If corporations can band together (whether in direct collusion or loose ideological alignment) to control and influence public discourse, that's a major fucking problem. The solution might not be obvious, but the problem, at least, should be.
>>719462520considering most modern games are ports, remakes and imitations of games from then I'd say yes, yes it was
>>719464619>dies to a box cutterMore like dies to a remote switchover that puts the plane on drone control, because the chosenites and their shabbos had to make sure it came out right. Probably wasn't a single human terrorist on any of those planes.
>>719485006>Where else would students go at that time except school? Ask yourself that. It's because they were preparing to protest and potentially riot.Suppressing a protest at gunpoint isn't much better. I suppose it's not as bad as directly forcing integration at gunpoint, although that's still done via the letter of the law and laws are ultimately enforced at gunpoint, so there's not really a whole lot of difference in practice. Either way, freedom of association gets revoked by the government.
>>719462581>>719469601It was iPhones and social media. 9/11 was a blow to America's psyche and basically restarted the Cold War but the world was still recognizably the same world as the world of the 90s. iPhones and social media completely transformed the way society looks and functions. The Mayans were unironically right, 2012 was the end of the old world.
>>719479867Between AI becoming a data processing monster, hypercentralization of everything and mass surveillance being openly embraced outside of China now, I don't think I've felt myself dooming harder than I do now.
>>719485240>Yeah man, controlling the staff of the government isn't actually control.Not the kind of control I was talking about, you absolute buffoon.
>>719462520Anybody with functional taste buds was eating the vastly superior Jack's Pizza Bursts, not those nasty-ass Totino's trailer trash rolls.
>>719486791Light always wins in the end, but until them, we won't enjoy the ride.go train anon. we'll need it
>>719486740This explains why culture has stagnated since the 2010s and everything looks the same now. Monoculture is dead.
>>719463693Yeah, I've thought the same thing. So much progress.
>>719486204>Avoiding something you don't like and actively interfering to prevent it are vastly differentThat would be the case, if you were interfering with someone else's platform. Say that twitter staff not only banned nazi sympathizers, but then went on to try and ban 4chan too. In order to remove any method he had to express himself.But only controlling your own platform is principally the same, no matter the difference in feelings that drives the decision.>>719486204>No. Refer to >>719484352 for an anecdotal one.I already commented on it: >>719485390 Elon is not above manipulating twitter's algorithm. You're only getting a different version of curated speech. https://www.npr.org/2025/07/09/nx-s1-5462609/grok-elon-musk-antisemitic-racist-content>My problem isn't enforcing desegregation on an administrative level (although I have a problem with that too)A self cancelling statement there.>A meaningless distinction when it functions as oneThe distinction is all the more meaningful, as you attempt to blur them. A public square is a publicly owned place. Twitter is not. Think about it like this: If you went to a physical public square, what is the capacity? Maybe a few thousand people, before the volume of bodies becomes dangerous.(crowd crush and stampeding becoming a concern) Yet, if you go to a stadium, you can fit a few thousand people there too. The volume of people is about the same. Yet, the rules for either spaces are different. The stadium isn't required to host nazi sympathizers. Yet... if the nazi sympathizers really wanted to, they could demand their government to issue them a permit to host an event in the square. Claiming it's a matter of free speech. The government would have to relent.Just because twitter is popular, that doesn't mean that it should operate by the same rules as the government. It's still its own thing
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>>719487378While its kind of fun to look at the turning of the bak'tun (which led to an echo of the "millenarianism" that we saw with Y2K; its not a new phenomena either, it goes back hundreds or even thousands of years. Fear of a great social, environmental etc.. change leads people to basically form doomsday cults and crazies with all sorts of THE MESSIAH WILL RETVRN complexes are just one part of it) coinciding with this other shit going on, iPhones and social media were just symptoms of a larger problem - mostly, the end stages of corporate control in projects that had taken 40+ years to pare down whatever protections that the New Deal had given to benefit the average people. iPhones were basically an inflection point for the 'mobile' web combined with a new audience of people who may not have owned a smartphone (before that it took some expensive, usually WindowsCE or Blackberry style device made for corporate usage. iPhones were no less expensive and the first ones were actually insanely so, requiring an outright purchase + data plan . It would take several iterations for them to get into the general populace), but when they got them it was how the users were monetized and the emerging advertising and surveillance capitalism tech, mixed with people who used the tech in different way than before. However, were we able to put the proper controls in place for privacy, security, and other elements to preserve the old Internet against encroaching corporate control, it wouldn't have been nearly as bad. The other side with social media only exists because of the lack of these legal safeguards. If, instead of giving Zuccbot everything he wanted because we just had 40 years of deregulation to benefit corpos since the Reagan era(before, but that time put it on steroids), we had laws against the data mining/selling/advertising sphere, social media couldn't be run for "engagement" in the "attention economy" preying upon it. etc.
>>719486204And as for alternatives. It's not twitter's duty to provide those. Twitter does nothing to stifle competition. Hell, twitter isn't even profitable. It's a wonder it stays up at all. But it's not impeding anyone else from creating a platform. Look at Blue Sky. The right wingers spent a decade complaining they can't get a fair shake on twitter, and that an alternative was impossible to develop. And then when the right took over twitter, the lefties created Blue Sky and it's actually doing fairly well. It took them no time at all to get their alternative ball rolling.And the mistake you're making, is assuming that your alternative outlet needs to be equal in size to the main one. But the thing about that is: not every belief is going to get equal support. And so if your website bolsters unpopular speech, then it will be an unpopular website. There's nothing you can really do about that. 4chan is fairly popular. But it will never be as popular as twitter, because it bolsters weeby stuff, and allows nazi sympathizers to run rampant. Yet, 4chan is still powerful enough to create and propagate ideas that helped shift elections.So you do have alternatives, you're just upset that your alternatives aren't as popular. Get over it, dude.>revoking the right to freedom of associationIs what you're attempting to do by forcing platforms to give the platform to people they don't want to associate with.However, I do believe that when you get down to brass tacks, to the very foundational levels of government, all rules are enforced by the threat of violence. It's only the principles that we choose to enforce that make our government what it is. And I don't see the problem with enforcing segregation into schools. Because that's how we uphold the principles of the USA. I'm not PROUD about it. But it's what was needed at that time.
>>719462520Only morons idolize their childhood. The world wasn't a better place, it just looked that way because your parents protected you from the bad shit. Now they've grown up to be weak and ignorant grown men unable to cope with the reality they were sheltered from, so their only recourse is to desperately cling to a time that only exists in their childhood imagination. A generation of literal manchildren.
>>719487789>But only controlling your own platform is principally the same, no matter the difference in feelings that drives the decision.I'm talking about the shift in mindset. The idea that "what an idiot" has been replaced with "I must remove this".>Elon is not above manipulating twitter's algorithm. You're only getting a different version of curated speech.We were discussing the validity of pre-Musk Twitter suppressing speech, not whether Musk is guilty of it too.>Just because twitter is popular, that doesn't mean that it should operate by the same rules as the government. It's still its own thingWe all have our freedoms infringed upon for the "greater good", as with my example that freedom of association is effectively curtailed by the government. I still cannot and will not get past the fact that you are in favor of this revocation of freedom but are defending the right of a corporation to act in a way that essentially controls public discourse.I want you to acknowledge that it is a problem, even if you believe they have a right to do it, and that it would be wrong to force them not to. At least acknowledge that they have considerable power to shape public discourse and when all the social media giants are censoring speech, people are effectively barred from being heard in any meaningful way.
>>719480087Halo 3 came out in 2007. not saying these cliches don't fit together. protag could definitely have a myspace and AIM in 2007. just saying it's not early 2000s. 2007 was by many accounts the last year of the old timeline, the time before the iPhone ruined the internet.
>>719462520World died after 2010, the 2000s was the last time technological progress meant something and the last time there was SOVL in the world, 2010 and on was nothing but shit and shit and shit
>>719462581That is correct according to the Matrix, which placed our peak at 1999.But I think the decline was later. The iPhone is what ruined everything.Normalfags should have stayed off the internet.
>>719462958Not too mention that Fallout 2 isn't a coop game. Also that it was decently niche when it came out, especially among the N64 crowd.
>>719464794BingoApple ruined everything with the iPhone.
>>719488718>We were discussing the validity of pre-Musk Twitter suppressing speech, not whether Musk is guilty of it too.Actually we were discussing what makes one billion different from other billionaires. And the idea put forward by an anon, was that Musk does not meddle or control like other billionaires do. I was not arguing to absolve twitter of all wrong doings. But to illustrate that Musk does in fact meddle and control.>At least acknowledge that they have considerable power to shape public discourse and when all the social media giants are censoring speech, people are effectively barred from being heard in any meaningful way.I address those concerns here >>719488531But to add: My solution would be to dissolve twitter into separate smaller platforms. Not to allow the richest man in the world to buy it and manipulated the narrative as he sees fit.
>>719488531>So you do have alternatives, you're just upset that your alternatives aren't as popular. Get over it, dude.This is a massive oversimplification. You're missing the fact that these popular sites started out being much more permissive about speech, they captured market share and grew huge and THEN they started aggressively censoring. That's not a true sign of popularity, and furthermore it's a deliberate attempt to leverage their popularity to control discourse. This entire conversation has focused on whether it's right or wrong for Twitter to have done this, and we've danced around how utterly deliberate it was. These people attempted, as progressives do, to seize power and influence and wield it against people they didn't like, to deliberately control the conversation.You also conveniently leave out how difficult for any right-wing (or simply not left-wing) site to gain traction, not on the basis of merit, but because of how they are forced underground - by search engines, by algorithms, by data centers and DDOS protections like Cloudfare constantly caving to bad actors at the levers of power, people whose ideas are garbage and can exist only by suppressing the competition. 4chan is the exception, and it's only because it's been around forever and because they can use it for their own ends as well.So please fuck off with the "your ideas aren't popular, get over it" before I start to think that your attempt to paint the playing field as fair and meritocratic is intentional dishonesty.
>>719488352The version without the infinity bullshit was better, but I'm glad someone posted it at all. The goobergate schism here brought tourists much in the same way and with the same motivations that the election tourists a few years later would show up; not the same anons that came before that era. Its a pity that gamergate was so easily subsumed by culture war garbage. I remember at the time telling people who came from their various rightoid youtuber and subreddit bullshit that it would be easy to focus on actual ethics in games journalism while also getting around "feminists" and "SJWs" who were upset with gaming, but far too many people wanted to step on every goddamn land mine and piss gasoline onto a fire. People couldn't control themselves and newfaggotry was everywhere; imagine if during the 90s moral panics about vidya, from Night Trap and Mortal Kombat , Doom, Grand Theft Auto , the Congressional hearings etc.. that a significant contingent of gamers wrote letters to elected officials or any of the major busybodies claiming we'd kill them and rape the corpse if they dared to take away our violent games? That's essentially what happened with Sarkeesian and Wu; stepping on their trap card meant that the gaming industry took the >Oh gee maybe we really do have a bunch of incel manchildren who hate women and we have been making them problematic! We need to change this as we don't want to be associated with that behavior!which gave us the next decade of so called "wokeness" in games as a trend. Now, part of that change was pure self-centered greed in the industry thinking they could get a whole new market to buy their shit because they exist in "line must always go up" current year, but the meme of having ethics depts and consultancies for offensiveness would not have gotten as large without the wave of stupidity. After all, garden variety radfem critique of media is nothing new and it was mostly ignored by industry
>you didn't like your childhoodif you say so
>>719489747>But to add: My solution would be to dissolve twitter into separate smaller platforms. Not to allow the richest man in the world to buy it and manipulated the narrative as he sees fit.It would indeed be better if discourse wasn't highly centralized and controlled, so we can agree about that at least.I'm not particularly ecstatic about Musk's level of control or what he does with it. I just think it's a step up from what we had before.
>>719462581Before the Patriot Act.Good times.
*shloop*
>>719490007>imagine if during the 90s moral panics about vidya, from Night Trap and Mortal Kombat , Doom, Grand Theft Auto , the Congressional hearings etc.. that a significant contingent of gamers wrote letters to elected officials or any of the major busybodies claiming we'd kill them and rape the corpse if they dared to take away our violent games? That's essentially what happened with Sarkeesian and Wu; stepping on their trap card meant that the gaming industry took theSure, but there was nothing that could be done about that. It's impossible to keep everyone in check; all it takes is one fuckwit to be an idiot and it gets spun to represent the whole movement. There's even evidence that they simply invented some of their own harassment, which is trivially easy to do on the internet. There's not a thing you can do to stop the people in control of the media from spinning whatever narrative they want. On the other hand, one of the greatest triumphs of gamergate is that nobody trusts them anymore; the spell was broken. When seen as a battle against unethical journalism, Gamergate was massively successful. Even the decade of disgustingly woke games we had to endure as a consequence only served to make more people fed up with all the bullshit.
>>719489870>You're missing the fact that these popular sites started out being much more permissive about speech, they captured market share and grew huge and THEN they started aggressively censoring. That's not a true sign of popularity, and furthermore it's a deliberate attempt to leverage their popularity to control discourseIs this about pre or post Musk twitter? lol. Because isn't that essentially what musk did? Just bought a popular platform, instead of making one himself? And then using that popular platform to control discourse?>You also conveniently leave out how difficult for any right-wing (or simply not left-wing) site to gain tractionThis is because, all of the platforms said not to bring your nazi sympathizing friend around anymore. But you right wingers keep dragging him along anyway. Regular right wing stuff doesn't get suppressed. Do you think fucking Ben Shapiro is battling the google algorithm? No. We all saw those Prager U ads on youtube. Youtube didn't suppress those ads. And we all collectively laughed at how ridiculous they were. And still are, unfortunately. They're now targeting kids with their insane rhetoric: https://youtu.be/SLRJMUnojz0?t=126
>>719490117I think it was at best a lateral step. Potentially even a step down.
>>719490839>you can't control people being fucktardsYou can't control a handful of idiots, but you can dissuade people from acting that way instead of doing the complete opposite. If Sarkeesian and whatnot had just a couple of rude messages and cried about it at the same intensity, the industry would likely have not gotten involved because a couple fucktards on the Internet is not an issue. However, this was a complete inundation that made us look far worse and played right into their hands and there was little done to even attempt to stop it. Thus, they could print out the pages and pages of rape correction go back to kitchen maybe I'll cut your tits off after I fuck your throat shit, mixed with the amount of offline harassment/doxing stuff, and that's what got the gaming industry to take it seriously. Conversely, this behavior allowed the shitty journalism and other bullshit to go by the wayside and the story was now about all about the culture warrior grifting nonsense. There will always be a few bad actors but this was not a "few', and the whole infinity schism had to do with Moot putting his foot down on the amount of shit that cracked containment and went entirely off the rails, so it also has to do with the descent of the site since - Moot's hope that Hiro taking control would make things less shitty clearly didn't pan out. >triumphs against unethical journalismThis wasn't new. Even going back to the 90s people knew that a lot of game magazines were basically advertisers for the games themselves and there was a fuckload of access-for-good-reviews shit going on. This was nothing new. Gamergate instead became a focal point, primed by culture warriors, decided to simply claim "the media" was controlled by "bad people" whenever it didn't agree with them, and instead created their own bubbled narratives.. This wasn't exclusive to GG, but it was part of an ongoing manipulation to distrust institutions entirely, by vested interest
>>719490841>Because isn't that essentially what musk did? Just bought a popular platform, instead of making one himself? And then using that popular platform to control discourse?Aside from his tantrums over people criticizing him directly, speech is much more free on the platform than it was previously. He is, broadly speaking, enabling discourse instead of suppressing it. With some embarrassing hiccups.>This is because, all of the platforms said not to bring your nazi sympathizing friend around anymore. But you right wingers keep dragging him along anyway.Ah, nice pivot to your very convenient justification for why it's just fine and not at all dangerous to silence right-wingers. Just call them nazis and say they're "promoting hate". Or "misinformation". Or some nebulous form of "harm". There's always an excuse for you anti-speech fucks, isn't there?>Ben Shapiro can speak so right wing content doesn't get suppressedPfffft.>posts dumb educational propagandaYeah, it's a stupid and clumsy attempt at counter-propaganda, and is being rightly ridiculed. And?
>>719492259>However, this was a complete inundation that made us look far worse and played right into their hands and there was little done to even attempt to stop it.There was plenty done to try and promote good optics, maybe moreso in other places than on 4chan. It just didn't work, because trying to play by their rules was a fool's errand. Narrative control is narrative control, no optics could counter that. They could twist and misrepresent and outright fabricate. And they did. And people began to notice. Which brings us to today.I don't think there was a single thing that could have been done about it. But it worked out okay in the end.>decided to simply claim "the media" was controlled by "bad people"It was, though. It still is. The difference now is people are aware of it.>but it was part of an ongoing manipulation to distrust institutions entirelyPerhaps the institutions could have avoided that by being trustworthy?
>>719462520>gulf war>LA riots>everything elseFight Club and The Matrix makes it seem like everyone knew something was wrongAs an elder zoomer I can only assume the wool was slowly falling from people's eyes and they were realizing how fucked everything wasLuckily the war on terror gave the media endless ways to distract people from how they're being fucked over, much like the culture war bullshit of today
>>719462520Short answer: yesLong Answer: Yes!
>>719493721>much like the culture war bullshit of todayI mean yeah, that shit was pushed as a distraction. But what are you supposed to do, just ignore it and let your culture be taken over by fuckwits who want to dismantle everything you care about?It was an effective distraction because it presented a real threat. Nobody seems to acknowledge this.
>>719493921Please tell me what music, movies and video games that you enjoy
>>719492463>Just call them nazis and say they're "promoting hate". Or "misinformation".Like I said many posts ago. I think banning nazi sympathizers is a moderate position. So don't act surprise that I make a callback to the position I established prior. I also asked for you to provide examples of people being unjustly suppressed. To which you say that you don't want to bother digging up examples. So I sought my own. And I only found two people who were verifiably suppressed. One is a Nazi sympathizer. And the other is Milo what's-his-face. Who I can't really recall what his controversy was. Other than being super gay for BBC and right wing at the same time. It was cursory research, granted. But still, I only found 1 guy who could arguably have been unjustly suppressed. Doing YOUR legwork for you.Why should I just assume that what you say about suppression is true. When I can find right wingers with blue checkmarks on twitter. And Prager U ads on Youtube?
>>719494131I haven't found much value in new movies and I was never into music much. Lately I've been playing old PS1 games like Tomb Raider and Wild Arms, but I enjoyed Look Outside when I played itNow how are you going to use this information to dismiss my post, anon?
>>719465938The same way you change the definition of "vaccine". The digital world is very centralized and can be changed at wall streets whims.Commiefornia has some anarcho law where you you can steal things worth less than a grand and it doesn't count as a crime.
>>719472391>>719473574>this retard thinks current crime rates are accurate reportedlmao
>>719462520Life was much freer pre-9/11. Unquestionably better. The consequences of letting the Bush crime family steal the 2000 election have been devastating.
>>719469067>o.j simpson murdering a white woman and every black in the country celebrating when he got off free really shows how good race relations were lmao.Every white person knew he was guilty and said so publicly. The fact that the blacks defended him was openly mocked. Now lets compare that to how the white man responded to George Floyd or how Austin Metcalf's own fucking father reacted to his murder.
>>719494571>Doing YOUR legwork for you.I never asked you to do that. I'm not writing a dissertation on 4chan, when threads have a limited lifespan even if they don't get nuked by a mod for daring to touch on politics. I'm only asserting what I and everybody else knows to be true, and calling you a faggot because you are either pretending not to know it is true, or you are really so ignorant that you missed it.>Like I said many posts ago. I think banning nazi sympathizers is a moderate position.Yes, you made your aversion to free speech clear some time ago, and you're using the usual tired justification for it, whereby you shunt people into the "it doesn't count because they said bad things" category so you can pretend you're not REALLY a free-speech hating fuckstain.But you are, as evidenced by your constant attempts to downplay its severity and justify your abhorrent "I'm pro-freedom when it comes to corporations controlling public discourse but not when it comes to forcing people to integrate" position.I think you're trying to convince yourself, at this point, that you're a reasonable, moderate person.But you're not.
>>719467628>The homeless were treated properly too, no tents and if they got unhinged they got taken away.That changed in the 80s actually
>>719495674>The consequences of letting the Bush crime family steal the 2000 election have been devastatingTrue. That being said, 9/11 didn't kill the soul. iPhones did. The 2000s felt more like the 90s than the 2010s.
>>719462520>>719462581Coming across threads like these makes me more depressed and miserable.
>>719469067>raise prices without warning>destroys not only your business but the neighboring communityAnd 30 years later owners still haven't learned this basic lesson.
>>719492938I grant that other places tried to push good optics and were met with more discipline, but there were also those that were entirely counter to it. Ultimately if you had to tally up the mature, narrowly defined arguments against censorship or the accusation of 'harm' some of the radfem types were expounding, plus to fix the games journalism cycle of reviews-for-access-advertisement, versus against the tide of bile and less than constructive shit that made us look worse, the mature approach was outmatched significantly; after all it was far easier to sell >BLUEHAIRS WANT TO TAKE AWAY VIDYA TITSand let people scream with anger no matter how justified, in a way that only confirms to the rest of the industry that the 'bluehairs' may have had a point; something that would NOT have happened if the balance had been the other way. Lets not forget the industry doesn't want to expend money and change the status quo if it doesn't have to - but the situation created a firestorm that they felt was a PR situation and so all the shit attributed to "wokeness" was part of the pushback so that they wouldn't get articles written about them or tons of tweets screaming how they did nothing to cull the 'problematic' elements their industry fosters. I don't think it worked out okay in the end because we had more than a decade of shittier games, changes in the industry to the negative, and was a springboard for culture warriors with vested interests that have little real interest in gaming itself. >Media control , bad people, institutions should 'have been trustworthy' And this is an example of part of the problems that came from that. In gaming specifically people already knew about the problems as advertising, but what you're framing is a culture war sinister "them". People used the fulcrum of gaming to push their ideologies and never addressed the underlying issue - it was easily an example of the manipulation you attribute elsewhere
>>719462520I was too young to enjoy it
>>719490839Gamergate's targeting was off going after the dev who it would make sense they're sleeping with people for coverage instead of the actual journalist who violated journalistic ethics but in our defense that bitch was an onion of awful, the more layers you peeled back the more fucked up shit she was up to. Also Sarkeesian entered the whole affair with a screenshot of like 5 tweets that didn't @ her handle which was taken from a computer that wasn't signed into twitter and was taken like 14 seconds after the last tweet so that one can't be blamed on gamergate.
>>719484352We're still going to be feeling knock on effects for years and the people that started this shit are still alive and trying to regain power (and still in power in some places).
>>7194625201996 here,I fucking hate zoomies
>>719496198I can understand that, anon. However, there is a bright spot and those oldfags who lived through those eras and the newfags who didn't all need to work together to uphold the principles that made that era better. It is something (You) can do, in your own small way to make shit better. I hear zoomers talk about how they hate some aspect of social media, or the culture and how they look back on what my people had and think its great - but if your appreciation goes no more deep than Windows 95 desktop UIs and AIM skins, or that you just like to play old games well, that isn't going to help. If you hate how everyone decides who's on their "side" and who's on the "other" about everything, and reports it on social media? Don't do that! Don't try to investigate every person so you know if its 'safe' before you agree or disagree with their viewpoint . We spent our time in society with people who we probably disagreed with pretty strongly in some ways, but we were able to be civil to each other or even friendly because we didn't slot everyone into a good/bad list defined by ideological "thought leaders'. You're depressed because social media has a constant permanent record of you at your worst, taken by you or others? Consider breaking away from social media, using alternatives from major proprietary centralized platforms (ie fediverse projects and servers based on them, if you need social media at all), but more importantly the next time you have a chance to record someone doing something cringe, offensive, or otherwise shitty..keep your phone in your damn pocket and let them forget about it. like a normal person. Are you tired of political bullshit that doesn't help you? Don't let corpos yell LOOK A TRANNY and get you to jump to their command You want the Old Internet (tm) back? Well, help Anon bring it back up uplifting the values of those days - open source, standards compliance, and other shit I wrote about >>719470820 .
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>>719465101>Stop the hijackers>Towers collapse anywayWhat now?
>>719474230Only the young say this thinking they sound mature. They haven't lived long enough to have seen multiple periods where things rise and things fall. It's an inevitable fact that there are better times and worse times, the only contention is which ones are which, but above who's lived long enough has seen both.
>>719462520>Covid, George Floyd, lockdownsTwo of these are the same thing and why is nearly all of the examples just "stuff from 2020"? What about the other 25 years since 1999?
>>719497956You are a zoomie
>>719495819>I'm only asserting what I and everybody else knows to be truelol. Appeal to the majority. When you don't even have the majority to appeal to. So it's an empty appeal. Everyone is not on your side. They're on mine.Asking you for examples, is not asking for much. If it was so wide spread, and everyone knew it to be true, then it should be easy to find. A simple google search should be able to pull it up. Or, maybe not google, since you seem to think it's compromised. But the point is that it should be easy to find, as it should be recorded in many places.I've provided evidence that directly contradicts your claim. Showing you that right wingers did in fact have a voice on old twitter. I showed you that the instances of suppression were isolated to nazi sympathizers, despite the fact that you want me to believe it's a broarder issue. And therein lies the problem with your position. It always comes down to giving Nazi sypathizers a platform. You try to attach yourself to right wingers. Make your plight, their plight. But anyone who looks carefully can see that there is a distinction between the two groups. They cut out the Nazis like cancerous cells, and then you cry about censorship. Show me actual right wingers that got suppressed, and I'll concede. Otherwise, I dismiss you as an Elon shill.
>>719485203Canada is the lost tribe of India please understand sir
>>719476713>Shoot down the planes with MANPADS before they hit the tower and redpill the world when the towers still explode.How did you get your hands on the MG 6 script?
>>719462520only you weren't a playstation loser
>>719462581facts
>>719462520The truth is that every decade was better than anything post 2012
>>719500178I'm not appealing to a majority any more than I would be if I said everyone knows the sky is blue. I am saying, quite simply, that it is truth. People know it happened because they lived it.You, driven by an obsessive hatred of Musk, are invested in pretending it didn't happen. You are STILL trying to bring everything back to Musk even though we were talking about freedom of speech more broadly, the inconsistency of your own beliefs and your pathetic attempts to justify the censorship that you do acknowledge.>It always comes down to giving Nazi sypathizers a platform. You try to attach yourself to right wingers. Make your plight, their plight. But anyone who looks carefully can see that there is a distinction between the two groups. They cut out the Nazis like cancerous cells, and then you cry about censorship.Which just boils down to "everyone who got censored is conveniently a nazi, so there was no infringement of free speech and if there was it doesn't matter". It's a common tactic that unhinged people use to justify the unjustifiable, and deny how destructive it is to tightly control speech.I am simply not interested in giving you more of my time than I am already, in trawling the internet for scattered pieces of information to meet the demands of someone who will almost certainly waste my time by pivoting immediately to some other excuse or justification. I don't need to convince you of something you are pretending not to know, and I know the futility of trying.
>>719468504all smokers should be shot on sight
>>719469264>Trusting Musk
>>719496198Because /v/ is filled with miserable faggots who's only joy is to commiserate. Fuck this thread and fuck OP.
>>719502979Good idea, anon. You were arguing with a boomer in a position of power and privilege. As you noted, he doesn’t have to prove anything, he’s demanding things from you and flippantly tossing aside anything he doesn’t care about. He can afford to be that way because his opinions are the corporate-sponsored opinions. It’s like how “both sides are bad” when talking about Israel/Palestine actually means “I side with Israel” because it supports the status quo, which is currently “Israel gets to do whatever they want.”Anon’s opinion on free speech would change really fast if this was a conversation on letting drag queens talk to children.
>>719503587>Anon’s opinion on free speech would change really fast if this was a conversation on letting drag queens talk to childrenI have no doubt. Thanks anon.
Daily reminder it’s not a coincidence that after 2010ish everything went super woke, BLM, lgbtq, reps vs dems, ESG, DEI, Blackrock, etc.The elite and them got scared shitless when people got tired of 1% holding 99% of the wealth so movements like occupy wallstreet started gaining traction and people were trying to overthrow the elite(sadly OWS was a disorganized mess and didn’t go anywhere). So the high ups got together and realized having us demoralized plus having us fight amongst each other we’ll always be weak and divided thus never rising up against them.It’s never been about “diversity” or “equality”. It’s about demoralizing the population and destroying western companies and western traditions from the inside under the guise of “diversity/equality”.To put it simply, subversion and demoralization, plus destruction of western institutions, traditional western values, and western ideals so they forever stay running things. Remember, an ignorant and demoralized population is always the easiest to control. They want you distracted and fighting with each other so you don’t realize what the real problem is and fix it.
Old man here. Everyone feels this way about the decade they were born in. The 90s were very comfy compared to 2025, but it wasn’t any kind of utopia. (BTW, pop culture and quality of life peaked in the 60s, and I’m saying that as objectively as possible since I wasn’t born yet.)
>>719462520No. It was only decent in very specific parts of the US. Other than that, the 90s were an absolutely terrible decade, especially if you lived in Europe.
>>719498271Good post.
>>719469769Japan is getting sick, I've been trying to keep with their news and we are geninuely about to most likely see>Visa kicked out entirely>Sanseito party rise>A more closed off Japan, yet "easier" to move in (with rules that make sense so you integrate or not interfere) and actually make you stay there>Asian market, that ignores the US/EU>US reviving stuff like 4kids to edit whatever they want to localize/import>Japan birthrates are not declining anymore, they have stabilized so their inner economy will adjustWill Japan bring us the promised actual cool cyberpunk era?
>>719462520>Another thinly veiled /pol/ thread is allowed
>>719505473>also importing like 1 million AfricansIt’s already over for them you can’t go down the street without some Nigerian dude yelling at you to visit his place of enployment
>>719506563Again, they are pissed and Sanseito might just call that off next yearbest part is that even Gaijins living there are pissed since moving there is hard af unless you get married
>>719505473>>A more closed off Japan, yet "easier" to move in (with rules that make sense so you integrate or not interfere) and actually make you stay thereFrom what I understand the immigration laws are actually pretty liberal and it's easy to get naturalized (as long as you speak japanese which is the hard part I suppose), but they don't allow dual citizenship so people from civilised countries tend to keep theirs even if they live in japan long term.>>719506563I've been to japan and it's noticeable some jobs are done by SEAmonkeys but I don't think I have seen a negro in any establishment, but than again I haven't been bumming around shinjuku at night or something and maybe they are in entertainment districts.
>>719489314the peak was september 10th 2001
>>719507475>From what I understand the immigration laws are actually pretty liberal and it's easy to get naturalizedlol no, the only EASY one is the one you pick up on your ealry 20's and go work there, then you grind for 10 years and get naturalizedthen you can own houses but dont get a residence visa, I understand tho, to some extent you dont want to get flooded by 1st world boomers that only exist to make their neighboorhood miserable in retirement
>>719462520i deserve a gf that looks like that
>>719507664But that was right before 9/11
>>719507853Boomers agree on, you don't want to have more annoying tourists but living there full time.Last time I checked the time required to live in japan for naturalisation was surprisingly short for a country supposedly against outsiders but maybe it is harder to get your foot in the door, that one I don't know. Do they still do those english teacher programs fucking everyone used to do to get an extended japan vacation? Unfortunately I'm a europoor not a native english speaker so I wouldn't qualify for that one either way.I heard that a pretty big issue initially even when you get there is the housing market. Because you can't rent until you have a jap bank account but you can't have an account without jap address and also rentals work in some weird way you need to have guarantors or something and if you are fresh off the boat you probably don't have anyone willing to do it for you.
>>719508591>they still do those english teacher programs fucking everyone used to doyes, but they pay so bad that mcdonal'ds employees there have better salaries,also you get send to a random location so you migh end up in the middle of nowehere teaching to the 10 kids left in town
>>719462581Zoomers can't even comprehend how good things were back then. There's a reason why millenials are so nostalgic about their childhood.
>>719462520>Were the 90's really that great?Yes. Faggots like you didn't exist back then.
>>719503263The US could pull the ultimate troll and vote for him next and end their uniparty issues
Man I’m old enough to remember how dating was too before social media.Women were MUCH MUCH less superficial. So much women didn’t even wear make up. Women didn’t have 1000 guys a day inflating their ego on social media. All the men girls met where irl guys they would stumble upon in their local area, and standards weren’t so high because of the internet. If you watch old movies women would faun over 7/10 guys because standards weren’t ultra high back then. I remember I had a down to earth ex I watched get an inflated ego in real time when she got a Facebook and had tons of men hitting her up all of a sudden.Times really were different back then but it will get washed out from history with the usual sheep going “UGH no it’s better now, things were never better!”
>>719462581Goddamn 9/11 self-inserts.
>>719504687Eastern Europe*
Why Nostalgiafags are so butthurt losers? Grow old, oldman
>>719505473I don't think that's necessarily so likely. >Visa/MC are important for global business. At most, they'll keep some JP ONRY elements paid with local banks, buit even JCB got hit by CollectiveShout's bullshit. So H-adjacent industries may dispense with it and only take other payments but more largely, its unlikely. Its more likely Japan will embrace Pix which would be good. I still think the US, Japan etc..all need their own Pix-style open platform.>SanseitoThis is basically trump conspiracy bullshit (they think the pandemic was faked etc) for Japan; cool vans, but not unlike the guys asking for the return of Meiji oligarchy or other ultra-right, it isnt' really sustainable. I'd rather see Reiwa or JCP do edgy populist messaging with better policies if smaller parties are going to unseat LDP.>Closed off Frustration with some immigrants is understandable but Japan has always pushed trying to assimilate so that's no surprise. However the last thing they need is more inflexible culture - the only reason that they got off the train to South Korea's cultural and birthrate slump was Keep Cool initiatives to change some cultural issues>Asia market Competition with China certainly, but like everyone else close to the US becaus of our recent stupidity of this admin, they're all trying to handle shit on their own to a degree. >Reviving 4kidsThis is frustrating for the West, but that means a change from major JP publishers who are willing to make stuff uncensored in the first place and not plan for global distribution. I don't see this happening given that local sales of games and other goods are no longer the prime market. >BirthratesThis is improved because a huge push in both social and economic elements over the past 2 decades, but this is precarious. They still have a lot of "dying towns", certain jobs are filled by foreigners near exclusively, and a backward-looking crazy PM and party would undermine a lot of the progress made
>>719473574we weren't all terminally online computers addicts back then
>>719509073Is that why zoomers are always bitter/jaded and calling any person they don't like as uncThey're so maliciously mad they lived the worst end of society and literally dead culture lol
>>719470697what homo clown
>>719478239Wait a sec...
>>719511412Sanseito is not ultra far right, they actually kicked off their most extreme members, but yeah the emperor thing is a kind of a wild card that no one knows how it would go, but it does want to change the constitution itself to add "no foreign entity can mess with cultural and internal affairs" which is a good thing
>>719509768I’ve heard lots of stories where boomers are saying they had a normal marriage and their wife got social media and changed suddenly and they ended up getting divorced because she thought she deserved more despite being married happily for like a decade or two before this. Yeah human monkey brains weren’t ready for this.
>>719469264I don't like Gates either, he's a pedo fuck trying to whitewash his legacy. But Musk openly bought himself a political office in the most powerful nation on earth and used that office to directly fuck over the poor and didn't even achieve his goals.
>>719509073I remember being really patriotic as a kid and a young teenager and it’s because it seemed like a country with a high quality of life if you worked hard enough. that America doesnt exist anymore so I don’t blame zoomers for not being patriotic at all. no reason to support a country that won’t take care of its citizens. I’m incredibly nostalgic for the 90s and early 2000s partially because not only was everything good, it felt great loving my country.
>>719504152I hear about this theory a lot and I can’t help but wonder if this is really why everything went to shit so fucking fast after thr 2010s started. Like fucking instantly. Out of nowhere seemingly. And at light speed. EVERY movie became political in some way or about identity politics. EVERY game had the same stuff pushed in it. And EVERY person I knew who had been cool a few years before now suddenly was super opinionated about 50 things they never talked about before.
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>>719462520it's difficult to describeafter the end of the cold war, it felt like conflict itself had been solved, at least to the Western worldsure things were popping off in Eastern Europe and other parts of the world, but that wasn't a great concernpeople lived with a lightness that just doesn't exist anymore9/11 put that feeling on life support and then everything has been deteriorating since
>>719462520Few "90s kids" or Nintendo kiddies were playing Fallout 2 in 1999. Most younger millennials barely even knew about the games until they were turned into Bethesda slop.
>>719462958>>playing N64 in 1999>LOL>Why are these nostalfagging media posts always so fake?Most Americans never owned a Dreamcast, fakefag
>>719516119Yeah Fallout 3 is to Fallout what CoD4 is to Call of Duty, and GTA 3 to GTA.
>>719515121>Political Bait is needed every day on /v/
>>719516210Fallout 2 only sold twice the copies as Marathon 2, and virtually zero Halo fans knew what Marathon was
>>719516575>organic discourse>bait
>>719462520It's not just nostalgia, is it? The 90's really were best. Playing with friends outside or playing games next to each other, calling people faggots or retards with no consequence, only two genders and no trannies as God intended, very rarely using internet just to either watch porn or anime, the golden era of gaming with the Nintendo 64 and PS1, and no females complaining about games being mostly a male hobby, renting games and finishing them in the weekend without needing to pay full price or install updates/DLCs, etc etc. Not everything was perfect, but it sure as hell was better than this current era.
>>719473574NTA but if crime was so much worse in the 90s why is it that since like 2018-2020 every Walmart (easiest example AA they are everywhere) has a bunch of shit locked up you need to get a employee to bring to the register for you like we live in fallout or something? why do so many aisles have a little tv monitor reminding you that you are being recorded despite just shopping and buying groceries? I would say if anything crime has gone up. But even if through some statistic someone can demonstrate that you are correct and crime was in fact worse in the 90s than today, the examples I listed if nothing else are indicative of the fact that we live in a lower trust society today than the 90s which I would argue is more important because it effects daily life for everyone even if people are not consciously aware of it. These are not signs of a healthy functioning society in any way.
i genuinely think that people who argue that the recent past wasn't better are either shills or just have their heads buried in the sandyou don't even have to look very far to realise it was better - just look at housing prices, but you might ask "what good is that metric?"well, do you want to live with your parents forever like a broke peon or do you want to create your own life and actually move up in the world?
>>719518203From fucking OP, the die was cast, if not the 2nd post. You faggots enjoy ensuring /v/ stays a political soapbox.
>>719473618Man I have good memories of this. not even the 90s but the early 2000s going to the mall with my friend. Us getting dropped off with some money and us exploring the entire mall just looking around having fun (large variety in stores so it was actually fun, not just copy paste clothing stores) and at the end of the night using a pay phone at the movie theater in the mall saying we’re ready to leave. The mall at that time period if I had to describe it to zoomers would be like being able to shop using VR in some server where you could run into any of your friends at any moment. You would go there either on your own or in a group and as I said before chances are you would run into people you knew and “party up” on the go while you are there so you could fuck around and have fun while you guys found awesome stuff you had never seen or heard of before. It was just an all around superior experience to sitting by yourself shopping online looking at some stupid screen in a chair. unironically it was healthier too because you could walk around for hours doing this. because so many adults are so out of shape people walking at the mall for an hour a week or whatever is probably the closest thing to exercise they ever got so even by that obtuse metric it was better.Oh and I forgot to mention the possibility of meeting new friends there occasionally. I remember that happening numerous times. even as late as like 2010-2012 I made friends this way and even got some dates from women who came up to me. The world used to be much more social and friendly.
>>719519138I don’t understand your post this is just a topic that many people feel strongly about and it has been gaining more momentum and support for the last decade each year that passes it’s not political in my eyes as it really should be seen as something most people can relate to or agree with regardless of political ideology. I didn’t make the thread I joined to share my thoughts. There may be political aspects to the conversation as people try to make sense of how things changed but the premise of the conversation as I said before is not inherently political. you can argue that just about any conversation could be perceived as political if you tried hard enough so that is a dumb argument to me.
>>719462958You are a fag. I was still playing my N64 up until around 2003. I was still buying and playing PS1 games up until then too.I would go back
>>719519583It’s pretty cool to me that more zoomers are playing these older games and appreciating them. I think it’s a good objective display of the quality of these old games. That even without nostalgia growing up with them many people see them as good or interesting despite not even being alive in some cases when they were made.
self-loathing mixed zoomers with roman statue avatars thread
>>719462520we need to wait for gen z and millennials to die, then the world will begin to heal.
>>719473656NTA but if you rent a game from blockbuster for the equivalent of one hour of minim wage and you rent it on a Friday night that means you can play it for 3 days and in many cases beat the entire game before you need to return it. how is that not a good value? Unless you were playing some JRPG game where you need to grind for 100 hours this is actually a perfect set up and if my memory serves right you weren’t limited to 3 days but you could also have a game for 5 days as well for an extra buck or two. And even if you couldn’t beat it in that time frame if you liked it enough you now knew you could buy it full price if it was something long like ocarina of time or some similar game.
>>719514340You don’t have to wonder, it’s literally what they did and why everything, especially video games exponentially went to shit.
>>719463023i feel very aware of it
>>719474230The world was never perfect but that doesn’t mean that it hasn’t also gotten worse in many ways. And to be “on topic” it applies to this hobby as well which went from projects of passion made by small teams with an artistic vision to corporate 100 million dollar+ 500 employee projects designed by a board of directors.
>>719463023No they’ll just tell you the “things didn’t used to be better youre just seeing it through rose tinted glasses” cope they make because they’ll never know how great everything used to be before 9/11 and occupy wallstreet happened.Everyone in America used to be so united and chill and everyone living here was like fuck yeah we rock.
>>719474546This is why I never used Reddit it’s just a dishonest arguing tactic people use. especially because over the span of half a decade or so people learn and change their opinions which is what humans are supposed to do anyway over the course of their life. I have no idea why Reddit is set up that way it serves no purpose.
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>>719474909Even when I was like 20 that term annoyed the shit out of me. If I try to make sense of it, it just seems like a bullshit way of rebranding something to seem sleek minimalist and trendy and it’s essentially contrived bullshit. Boy do I love marketers.
90s were the greatest era of livingbest musicbest moviessecond best video game (00s a bit better)the internet was great and an open west yet not the society destroying monster it becamepeople still hung out together at malls, after school, people could still socialize in personif you look at most podcasts today it's zoomer trying to listen to how people born before the 00s socialize together and missing that
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>>719520439I’ve been here since like 07’ the entire quality of the website has gone down massively and threads like these often times are the best ones offered. even if you don’t like it, it’s tangentially on topic regardless. nothing exists in a vacuum. At any moment I estimate than a quarter to half of the “on topic” (in your eyes) threads are low effort boring threads that will cap out at 5 posts sliding other threads of the board. go spam one of the “booba” threads. this is a non issue.
>>719520439and where the fuck is moot now? he abandoned his own site
>>719462581yes, we switched timelines into Hell for sure there
It was pretty great for gaming. What >>719484687 said is true, too. Gaming in the late 90s vs 2009 felt like the biggest developers were aiming for an entirely difference audience, because they were. So 90s gaming was kind of like a last hurrah for the bigger studios and publishers actually aiming their games at gamers and nerds
>>719462581Even after 9/11 things were great. As a child you worry about nothing.
>>719521068We switched timelines in 2012. The 2000s still had the warm feeling of the old world despite the increased surveillance and new wars. 2012 was when we entered our current timeline of everyone constantly being on iPhones and Twitter all the time.
>>719462581>>719521068>>719521301>>719521412The Spider-Man movies came out after 9/11 so that's proof enough that the old world didn't end then. The Mayans had it right.
>>719518596>locking shit up in WalmartThat has nothing to do with violent crime retard. Its simply an objective fact that violent crime has gone down significantly in the past few decades. Regardless of your schizo delusions.
>>719512382Yes. And why they insist it's nostalgia. Because accepting that some (many) things were better before their time makes them despair. It's emotionally easier to plug your head in the sand
It's crazy how you can open Google street view, change the year, and literally see the life draining out of everything over time.Reality is coming apart. No one can tell me it isn't.
>>719521654I was robbed in the mid 2000s via gun point by a group of guys when i was just walking somewhere. and i was randomly assaulted in the late 2010s and had to go the hospital. I don’t think crime has gone down THAT much. one of my friends was assaulted just walking with her boyfriend late at night by some homeless guy that just randomly punched her in the face a few years back. they were just in a city for some comic book convention thing. one of my friends had to pull out his gun because some guy tried to rob him a few years ago while he was walking his dog. I agree with other people that a lot of stuff doesnt get reported AND a lot of places probably get creative with how they categorize things because I have known many people who have been victims of random crime in the last decade. If anything I would make the argument that if violent crime has truly gone down by a remarkable degree in anyway it’s probably only because people for the last decade and a half have increasingly stopped going outside. if you are someone that jogs late at night or you need to ride a bike to your job or something at night, essentially if you are out at night at all and you aren’t protected by a car, you will eventually land a bad dice roll. but as I said before many people just stay inside as much as possible now so from that perspective I’m not surprised “violent” crime has gone down. No one is outside as much.The fact you are resorting to name calling and stuff makes me feel like you are too emotionally invested in this which is ironic because you obviously havent lived through any of this stuff so you shouldn’t have an emotional reaction to it at all.Oh yeah my friend was an uber eats driver during covid and he was almost robbed like 10 times so he had to bring a fucking gun with him to deliver food. we do not live in a more peaceful society in any way.
>>719519969What I'm saying is that trying new games was 10x more expensive. Now for a single hour's worth of work at minimum wage you can get a month of Netflix. Or some type of gamepass
>>719518534Walmart wasn't nearly as profitable in the 90s.Also, crime rates are based on crimes reportes. Meaning people were more likely dialing 911 before everyone had cell phones
>>719522475Yeah and the overwhelming majority of content on Netflix is repetitive copy and pasted crap designed and approved by a board of directors to be as bland as possible to maximize profits while doing nothing creative or interesting which is why I do not use Netflix at all. you would need to pay me in order for me to watch Netflix shit. Gamepass however is a mixed bag, I think it’s a decent value but it shares many of the same problems with my Netflix comments where the majority of new games are visually impressive from a technical standpoint but are as boring and low effort as possible in every other regard so I just prefer playing older games the vast majority of the time. modern streaming and subscription services I view as a monkey paw situation where you have an overwhelming amount to choose from but the actual quality of the products are usually all around a 5/10 and completely forgettable.
>>719522093Looking at 2007, you can see how much cozier the world looked.
>>719482405Many of my favorite games are also from the early 2000s but as many people say the 90s basically continued into the early 2000s. a lot of stuff from the early 2000s still had the same energy as the 90s. If there was one decade I had to say is my favorite it would probably be something like 1995-2005 or so.
>>719520780>this is a non issue.Fuck you. It's one of the problems of this board and like always faggots use whataboustism to deflect.
>>719523428Keep tweaking I guess. I already told you threads like these often times are amongst the best this board has to offer. If I want to have an in-depth detailed conversation about one game in particular, often times I will go to /vr/ because it doesn’t have someone making a new shitpost every 2 minutes so threads stay up long enough for proper conversation.
>>719523698If this is best the board has to offer, then your, and anyone else who shares this opinion, standards are in the sewer.
>>719504152I keep hearing "they got scared from Occupy", and all I can think is that, at best, they just got startled, and at worst, they never gave a shit, but got a light bulb over their heads anyway. If they were really scared, people would've been dead. Occupy was a fucking mistake, and the people that allowed it to happen the way it did are now willing cattle.
>>719523428>whataboustismEnglish motherfucker, do you speak it?
>>719524202You never heard of the term before?
>>719523924I do not mean this thread specifically I mean threads of this nature where it’s people just sharing their thoughts on a topic many people can relate on. There is a reason I do not come here much.A: most modern games are trash compared to stuff made before 2014 or so. Arguably 2012. so those threads don’t matter to me. B:a quarter or more of the threads are shit postsC: threads about good games do not last long enough because they get slid off the board by shitpoststhe most interesting or engaging threads as a result or threads like these which end up getting 300+ posts and lasting for a day. As I said before there are aspects of this thread that are on topic. If you needed it to be written in stone for you as has been explained earlier, games from the 90s or 2000s were just more honest products and more memorable experiences as an overwhelming trend. I only come here a few times a month, as I said I think the retro games board is a lot more interesting and probably more suited for talking about games. Especially now that you can talk about games there from the xbox ps2 and GameCube gen. As well as all the great games that came before that as well. I’m just being logical.
>>719524282You misspelled it.
>>719522295How low iq do you have to be to use your worthless anecdotes over broad statistics? I don't give a fuck what happened to you personally. I could just as easily say I've never been robbed or assaulted in my life so crime must have gone down. See how retarded that is?
>>719525637Also>uhhhh you're name calling???Yes. Where do you think you are idiot? Go back to whatever shithole you crawled out of.
>>719525718>Go back to whatever shithole you crawled out ofHe must be covered in shit
>>719524403>games from the 90s or 2000s were just more honest products and more memorable experiences as an overwhelming trendTRUE! Microtransactions and lootboxes ruined everything.
>>719525637Statistics are only half of a story. People who blindly point at statistics as an all encompassing answer are midwits. I told you before people hardly go outside anymore and this has been a talking point for a decade. Go outside by yourself at night and stuff will still happen to you. if you want post the stats in here and I will look at them. I’m just having a conversation I am not emotionally invested in it like you are getting mad. You need to take a chill pill or go relax. My friends went to a bar in Portland a few years back and couldn’t even leave the bar and everyone had to stay inside the bar. Why? Because apparently in the brief time they were in that bar, outside the bar a man was randomly attacked with a knife and died so now the sidewalk was a crime scene. Random acts of violence still happen all the time. if there is less crime today that’s good but it obviously is not a meaningful change. I know paramedics who have quit their job because they keep getting attacked by the people they are trying to help save. same how you hear about firefighters who get shot at or attacked trying to help people. We don’t live in a peaceful society in anyway as I’ve already said before. Compare our society to a place like Japan and it’s night and day differences.
>>719462586Easy, invest in bitcoin
>>719519897You're a self-hating member of one of those generations.
>>719526215What a stupid thing to invest in
>>719500681What's this kid up to now?
>>719478576>>719465490>90's>Gangster rap takes off>Violent crimes increaseNooticing
>>719526873Gangsta rap was kino. Bow wow wow yippie yo yippie yay doggy dog's in the motherfuckin' house!
>>719462520It was the last good decade
>>719526423Negro whatThe first bitcoin transaction was 5000 bitcoins for $5 in 2009. It would literally be a 100,000,000x return on your investment.
>>719522764When it comes to Netflix and other streaming services, they're not much different than other TV channels, cable, premium or otherwise. People forget how much absolute crap was on regular-ish TV. I mean, the Hallmark channel, Hallmark Mysteries, Lifetime, etc.. had a lot of derivative garbage out there for a very specific audience. I think a lot of frustration with streaming services (at least originally) is powered by nostalgia more than actual quality. Its kind of like how you can look back at the 60s (or 70s, or 80s etc) and think of all the great music of the era across different genres , but you didn't realize how many knockoffs of The Beatles (in every phase of their career) or Bob Dylan, or many of the singers-and-songwriters/folkish types , and beyond. Hell, the same thing has happened to the 90s now even where you hear many of the iconic songs that get replayed in every 90s set movie or TV show, but clearly that wasn't all music was at the time. So it goes with streaming TV. On the good side though, stuff gets greenlit that's way, way more niche and exists without having to be part of a particular network's lineup; this is part in response to the growth of YouTube video quality and types of content. Now, there ARE issues with streaming service designs recently such as shows being designed as "second screen experiences" but that' a relatively recent phenomena that comes from the over-metric data mining driven crazy of Netflix, Amazon, Hulu, and the rest. Overall though, its not any worse than other forms of TV, in terms of quality. By contrast, I actually find Gamepass to be much less desirable and more harmful because you need to use a proprietary app or device instead of a platform like Steam that you'd choose, games cycle in and out, and you're expected to buy DLC for games you don't own. They COULD fix this by partnering with Steam et al, but part of the point is lockin to the Xbox ecosystem. Out of room
>>719527103I think he was making a joke since back then bitcoin wasn't shit.
so...how about those late 2000s fellas...
>>719527559The entire decade was kino.
>>719471454banks are owned by investment groups and the imf still, and those by international organizations you're still looking at jews (the committee of 300, wef and lucis trust) all the way downjust like a certain book says, love for money is the root of all evil
>>719526997The 2000s was. 2012 was the last good year. The Mayans predicted there would be a cosmic transformation and they were right.
>>719519368>The world used to be much more social and friendly.ThisI rarely go up to or greet strangers now because of how tweaked out a lot have become in my area. That and the pandemic has made a lot of people (including me) more anti social>T. Zoomer
>>719528396The fourth world was the best one.
>>719469264Musk is just dumb. People like Gates and Soros are a threat to humanity, especially the latter (and not just because he's a jew).
>>719528705They are the same breed of men. Smart people who crack the code for infinite wealth in this economy. They are the larpers who went 'how do I beat this game' and did their research thoroughly to generate thousands to tens of, hundreds of, millions, tens of millions, etc
>>719462520Better than you could even imagine.
>>719462520Yes, and if I could go back then I would.
