its a faggot game made for faggots op, if you didnt like it grats your not a fag.

>>719467661
You're preaching to the choir here OP, unfortunately were outnumbered by journocucks trying their hardest to shit on japanese rpgs, paid shills and discord coordinated shitpost raiders.

>>719467661
>>719467661
If a game is played entirely through menus and has no real time action it's barely even a video game, it could be played just as easily by reading a $10 book and rolling some dice and has no business being sold as software.

>>719468295
Just say you don't like turn-based RPGs, that would have sounded far less retarded.

>>719467963
>trying their hardest to shit on japanese rpgs
You don't have to try hard for that because most are low quality trash.

>>719467661
Actually TRVE but I enjoyed the combat for what it is

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It's really weird that these complaints >>719467661 have been extremely common ever since E33 released, but I never saw anyone ever complain about the M&L games which have the exact same battle system
Hell, fucking Brothership released last year and the only complaints about that game that I've seen was about the abhorrent performance, never about the fucking battle system

E33 has unironically a hate campaign going on.

It's amazing how no one talks about this game. I finished it recently and wanted to shit on it but it's near impossible finding an active thread. Story sucks and is getting more criticism and the game play as OP pointed out is just stack damage and see if you can burst the boss, because the game punishes for you for now bursting the boss.

>>719469850

I've not played this game for a long time, but consider it this way, Final Fantasy VII Rebirth/Remake had a parry system/dodge system in it too but it's fine in those games because the entire game isn't centered around them. Only in like solo run difficult simulations might you want to use these tools extremely effectively. Otherwise you have enough freedom in build to change how you want to approach the boss and with what build. In E33 it's so focused around parry because if you don't parry, the boss is doing 13 attacks AoE and will just wipe your party.

I was doing one boss with low level characters and as I got to 33% HP, it started breaking out a much more extreme variation of its moveset which got me a few times. You can just bang your head on the wall or you can just come back with major offensive pictos and just one shot it before it can even get to that moveset.

>>719469860
act 3 kills the game, i was really enjoying it

then act 3 comes
you either finish the game right hten are there or you go rape the side quests then rape everything in one shot

not to mention the narrative, kinda falls off a cliff when maelle remembers

>>719469850
>I never saw anyone ever complain about the M&L games which have the exact same battle system
Because I never fucking played the Mario RPG games cause I'm not a tendie and just assumed they're shit for babies and seeing as how you say they have the same combat system I feel vindicated in my decision.

>>719470179

I'm the opposite, act 3 was the only act I enjoyed narratively. I don't understand how people enjoyed the narrative of act 1 and 2.

Act 1 at least had just like that Disney "WOAH THE WORLD IS SO COOL" moments where people are just exploring the new world. But the interactions and motivations of the characters are so basic and hollow, seemingly intentional considering the twists, that it's only driven forward by shock. Otherwise the narrative is literally people just showing up randomly for a few minutes, talking around you and the player characters and then leaving without you understanding anything but getting a few guesses in. They literally keep doing that vague roundabout talking of saying nothing at all till Act 3 where they actually finally reveal the plot rather then just talk cryptically.

The cryptic talking isn't even interesting, it's just like "She'll never paint again..."

>>719467661
Anon you dont understand. this game is for retards.

>>719470102
I don't care nigger. EVERYTHING that you've just stated about E33's combat, also directly applies to the Mario & Luigi RPG games. Hell, it's even worse in those games because you only get one single choice when defending from enemy attacks.
In E33, you are NOT forced to parry. You can just stop being a fucking retarded faggot and use the DODGE option which has way more invincibility frames. In the M&L games, you can only either parry or dodge, you're always only given one choice, and unlike E33, if you fuck up a move, then a lot of times you end up getting stunlocked, SPECIALLY on PiT's final boss tentacles. And guess what: no one ever complained about that crap.

But here's one major thing that both games have in common: they both have AN OPTION TO LEVEL UP DEFENSE WHENEVER YOU FUCKING LEVEL UP YOU FUCKING RETARDED FAGGOT NIGGER
You are NOT forced to dodge/parry in either game. If you are retarded casualfag, then just shut the fuck up and level up the defense stat. THAT'S IT.
But nooooooo~, I need to run muh stupid ass glass cannon build that either gets me one shot'd or the boss one shot'd, oh and I'll also always pick the parry option over the safer dodge option even though I really can't afford to take a hit. What do you mean that I am too bad at the video game to get away with that kind build? Better call the game shit then!

The game is a turn based RPG. If the M&L got away with being turn based RPG for over 20 years, then E33 can also get away with it since it has the exact same battle system.

Cope

>>719467661
>abloobloo
filtered, dumb and brown lmao

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>>719470476
seething sexual invert nintendo fans
>>719470685
let it go, anon
the cattloid won't bite the hand it chose to replace its absent father with

>>719470685

The level of tree/skill in E33 fucking suck. You can put points into defense if you want but they are just some knock off poor Dark Souls mock up. You can put 99 points in defense if you like (Like a retard, it sucks) but a single picto later will give you more defense while giving you like 500 speed also.

What your stupid ass fails to consider is that dodging is just parrying but worse. It doesn't change that you have to dodge and DPS rush the boss. You don't really want to get hit in this game by anything dangerous, it's not balanced around getting hit. It's balanced around not letting the boss get a turn.

Literally no one thinks about or cares about a GBA game btw. You are confusing acceptance with irrelevance.

>>719471258
Look faggot, you are objectively wrong because I face tanked bosses in hardest difficulty play through. Level up defense and shut the fuck up

>What your stupid ass fails to consider is that dodging is just parrying but worse.
Nigger, I've already explained to you why dodging is fucking better. The only main benefit that parrying has is letting you damage the enemy or gain bonuses thanks to pictos.
If you suck at the game then you fucking dodge and make use of your high DEF stat for whenever you fail doing it
It's a risk vs reward situation and you always pick the risky option and fuck up on top of it

>Literally no one thinks about or cares about a GBA game btw. You are confusing acceptance with irrelevance.
It's an entire franchise beloved by the most vocal, obsessed and mentally ill fanbase in gaming. Even Brothership got shilled hard last year

>>719467661
>The beauty of turn based combat is that damage is unavoidable and you need to think of ways to mitigate it by building your characters
Weird thing is the game can very easily become like this part way through act 2 and for all of act 3. You can eventually make use of builds and buffs to beat bosses without needing to dodge or parry, but unfortunately you have to play the first half of the game dodging at least half of every boss's attacks.

>>719467661
What is an "ass example"?

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>>719467661
>"Get off the stage, retard!"

>>719473057
I hate Americans

>>719471538
investing into defense is counterproductive because the game encourages you to do high level content early, where you'll get oneshot no matter what.
furthermore shields make any defensive stats pointless, especially once you get monoco.
the only real problem is that parry&dodge are full damage negations. instead they should reduce damage like blocking does in paper mario

>>719467661
>The beauty of turn based combat is that damage is unavoidable and you need to think of ways to mitigate it by building your characters, making trade offs between offense and defense and properly using your abilities.
Games that allow you to do react based counters to avoid damage, still does this. It's just that you mitigate the consequences of potential mistakes rather than the consequences of unavoidable damage.
And that might be different, but not fundamentally so.

>>719467661
I hope Octopath has parry slop mechanics

>>719473680
>because the game encourages you to do high level content early,
no it doesn't

>where you'll get oneshot no matter what.
how is this encouraging?

retard

>>719474489
the game constantly teases you with dangerous enemies within main story dungeons and entire areas in the overworld.
beating those is also rewarded with really good pictos and 10+ levelups.
prime example is the mime in lumiere

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>>719475050
>the game constantly teases you with dangerous enemies within main story dungeons and entire areas in the overworld.
Bro, NEVER play xenoblade, that shit will mind break you.

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>>719475050
Yeah, the red DANGER warning is really encouraging
You are given a choice to proceed or to go back. If you decide to proceed then don't complain that you're getting fucked. If you somehow end up victorious and get some god tier rewards, then go back to the main story content and steamroll with your new overleveled party

You are never fucking encouraged you retard. You unironically sound like a gayming journo. God forbid the devs from giving you some optional freedom

>>719475163
but unlike other rpgs expedition 33 lets you negate all damage and teaches you that this is how the game should be played.
hell, gustave's whole gimmick basically only works if he's at a turn disadvantage.

>>719475551
read the previous posts, I'm not complaining about it, I'm saying that defense and health are fucking worthless in part because of it.

>>719467661
It had to feature some real time action, because nugaymers will fall asleep during the battle segments. Parryslop was a low hanging fruit mechanic, so they went with that

>>719467661
>>719467963
samgefag

>>719475737
>I'm saying that defense and health are fucking worthless in part because of it.
They're worthless when you're fighting enemies like 30 levels above you because your defensive stats are obviously too low in comparison.

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>>719470476
show us your Simon gameplay where you don't take a hit
ill wait (:

>>719467661
>The beauty of turn based combat is that damage is unavoidable
lol
lmao even

funny how you purport to care about alleged purity of TRVE TURN BASED GAMES and then say shit that's only really applicable to jrpgs and their derivatives
ever heard of games that aren't final fantasy?

>>719475163
Funnily enough, this thread has the same kind of posts of those Xenoblade hate threads, are these people from the same discord? I also noticed how we have had some good Xenoblade threads recently, i guess now E33 is their target

>>719467661
It's a moviegame repackaged in parryslop for the fromshart audience. It was basically market researched to be successful. It's an unholy combination of nu-Snoy games style and the worst mechanic in action game history with QTE peppered in everywhere.

>>719475861
yeah so why bother with defense? you have a dodge button and a safety net with shields

>>719470210
This. For years I only played the original Mario and assumed the rest was shovelware. It wasn't until I started reading online forums and paying more attention to the industry that Mario is Nintendo's flagship series apparently.

>>719476094
>yeah so why bother with defense? you have a dodge button and a safety net with shields
I don't know, why is OP complaining about getting one shot and being forced to dodge/parry to not die? If you want to do a glass cannon build and have the gitgudscrub skills to do it, then fucking do it.
I don't trust my skills hard enough to do endgame content during early game or to dodge/parry every single boss fight, so I waste points leveling up my defense and health. And guess what, I completed the game with zero issues and managed to beat all bosses on my first attempt because I had enough defensive stats to get hit and study the attack patterns. It's as if the devs intended you to play the game this way or something

I don't mind turn based games that do allow you to dodge attacks like that, but a lot of attacks were delayed to the point where first time you see it, you're just randomly guessing, and your punishment is dying in one hit. It's excessive. But on the flip side, there's no real punishment for dying either. You just try the fight again from the start. I don't know how to describe it but this sort of game design just rubs me the wrong way. And while it doesn't really hurt the game, the timed hit aspect of your attacks was retarded, because the timing isn't based on the animation of your attacks. It's just a button prompts that shows up without any sort of logic to it.

>How about we make a game like Paper Mario without the Bing Bing Wahoo, Persona without the cringy weebshit people don't like anyway andDark Souls but with a story and combine it all?

>>719476324
you being incompetent is beyond the point. being able to negate all damage is fucking retarded and makes high level content no different from low level.
like I said the perfect fix would be dodge/parry being a damage reduction.

Literally the only good game in years, of course contrarians here sperg out about it. I hate the state of modern vidya than any of you fags, but this game is great and the hype is for once justified. Eat my fuckin balls.

>>719476941
>>719475907

>>719476776
>makes high level content no different from low level
Literally the opposite. In normal JRPGs, high level enemies deal more damage and you have more HP. So you get hit for, say, 10% of your HP in the last dungeon the same as in the first dungeon, except then it was 15 out of 150 and now it's 999 out of 9999.
Here, enemies' attack patterns can be made harder for high level enemies making them more challenging, no matter the stats.

>>719476776
>being able to negate all damage is fucking retarded
And yet we still have retards around here crying about dying in one hit >>719476329

There's 3 outcomes in a turn:

a) You pull off a perfect parry/dodge and nullify all damage. This is overpowered but never guaranteed as we all know
b) You fuck up the parry/dodge and get a game over because you ignored your defensive stats
c) You fuck up the parry/dodge and are still alive because you leveled up your defensive stats and you aren't doing endgame content with an early game party

It's that fucking simple anon. Hell, I bet that you can even beat the game without ever dodging or parrying. There's no way that it's a mandatory mechanic.

>and makes high level content no different from low level.
Welcome to nearly every single vidya. Number goes up

>>719477167
I was leveling some defense on one of my characters because it provided better scaling for one of the stats after a certain point and they still died in one hit. And I don't mind dying in one longer combo because that requires more mistakes, but most of the time you die by failing to avoid one single hit out of 3 or 5 on top of the attacks just looking ridiculous.

>>719467661
Alternatively, no matter how well you build your party, if you suck at pressing the button at the right time, you will lose no matter what.

>>719467661
Dodge was super broken and easy. That shit had like a 3 second window.

>>719477443
Worked on my machine

>>719467715
>op not a faggot


Faggot op same fagging. Fuck off if you're gonna auto fellation put on a skirt and film it.

>>719477604
It didn’t work for me most of the time, but I didn’t hate the game for all of that. Really, my main issue is having all of those issues on top of being able to retry whenever. It makes the exploration and moving around the map feel like filler when there’s no risk to death. You just retry and retry without any concept of risk or item management. Why even have the stupid souls potion shit if dying isn’t even a big deal?

>>719477578
That's not true. Also git gud.

>>719478467
Tints let you make it further into the fight. I was carried by the 9 revive tints in some of the fights.

>>719477114
I really wish that was the case but instead you get shit like frozen hearts where it's the same enemies but with 20x health.
the real disappointment is that it makes ailments, healing (besides buffbotting) and tanking redundant.

>>719477167
if you somehow manage to fuck up dodges there's shields to cover your ass.
really it's shields that are broken. 4 AP for 2 shields midway through the game is insane

>>719477443
character stats have fuckall impact, you need pictos for good numbers