Both quest lines are fucking garbage.

>>719473483
I never understood the praise for Oblivion's DB, it was mediocre at best

>You literally assasinate the fucking emperor in Skyrim
and literally nothing about the world change, except a few guards might mention it

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>>719473483
I helped the Empire to take out the criminals. I thought it would be more awesome to kill an elite cohort of assassins and criminals instead of killing a fragile old man

>>719473483
The clue quest in oblivion is one of the only memorable side quests in any RPG. That and River's quest line in CP77 are the best side quests.

I don't remember a single sidequest from skyrim

>>719473483
Cicero is kinda funny and modded Astrid can be hot but this questline sucks like most of the ones in Skyrim.
I still replay vanilla Morrowind and oblivion but vanilla Skyrim is just dogshit, it's basically just a playground for modders.

>>719473483
Also physically standing behind the emporer in VR while he accepts his fate before slitting his throat was pure unfiltered kino

>>719473483
>You literally assasinate the fucking emperor in Skyrim
That's one of the reasons it's bad. Skyrim sidequests basically go from killing rats to killing God in 3 hours.

>>719474215
In what world does Oblivion have better quests than Skyrim? Oblivion is genuine dogshit

>>719473638
People selectively forget the other half of it, that's why.

>>719473483
>You literally assasinate the fucking emperor in Skyrim
And it has no consequences whatsoever. You can do it even if you're fighting on the Empire's side. That's why it's bad, you fucking mouthbreathing retard.

>>719473483
>Dark Drotherhood
Mother, Cicero and Astrid were the only well designed DB characters, while others felt shallow, generic and uninteresting.

>>719473638
Bethesdrones have extremely low standards. It's sad.

>>719474441
Oblivion has a kind of campy charm that can get a chuckle out of you. The light tone of the game and ridiculous jank in some places makes it a fun experience. I does get bogged down by some absolute shit like closing oblivion gates outside towns to get them to commit soldiers to the battle of Bruma, but the battle itself is kinda cool (for its time, it's a bit lack luster in hindsight) but at least there's some pay off. There's nothing that really feels climactic or like a punch line in Skyrim outside of the end of the main quest where you get flown by ohdaviing to that dungeon that connects you to sovngaard where you fight Alduin again. The whole experience is pretty sterile besides a few set pieces in the main questline. It's the exact opposite of oblivion where they kinda flubbed the main quest to the point where you don't even fight the big bad you just watch Martin do it.

>>719473483
The Dark Brotherhood is the least terrible questline of Skyrim but it's still a Skyrim questline.
I can't take Oblivion seriously so I never finished it so I don't know what it's worth.

>>719473483
>You literally assasinate the fucking emperor in Skyrim
For 20k gold, which.
1: Is pointless because there's fucking nothing to buy in Skyrim of value
2: Is also a paltry amount that the player likely already has, and singular items can be worth that much
Imagine killing Trump for a shiny necklace and some EBT cards, that's the equivalent.

>>719473483
>All the quests in Oblivion are fucking gimmicks with zero substance
What substance do you want from them? The Oblivion quests are fun and memorable.

>>719475660
>shiny necklace and some EBT cards
People have been killed over less

>>719475794
Yes but magical world leaders, on a ship, surrounded by elite guards, haven't.

>>719473638
Name a better one.
If you can't but still want to argue just start shitting on it.
I will take thar as an admission of defeat

>>719473483
No anon you don't get it, the unbelievably fucking retardedly written traitor's journal was so le kino. He's insane, get it? So he wrote
>killhimkillhimkillhimkillhimkillhimkillhimkillhimkillhimkillhimkillhimkillhimkillhimkillhimkillhimkillhimkillhimkillhimkillhimkillhimkillhim
and
>greenblueREDyelloworangegreenblueREDyelloworangegreenblueREDyelloworangegreenblueREDyelloworangegreenblueREDyelloworangegreen
blueREDyelloworangegreenblueREDyelloworangeBLACKBLACKBLACKBLACKBLACK!!!!!!
Truly, Emil is a narrative genius and it makes up for every target after Lachance stops giving you dead drops being simple as fuck

>>719474206
That says more about you than it says about the game's themselves

> White flag waving intenifies.

>>719473483
>You literally assasinate the fucking emperor in Skyrim
Actually a non-Septim larperor, so not at all

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>>719474329
nah you dont even kill rats, theres just no build up in any of the faction questlines. anyone calling them good was either 5 when skyrim came out or lacks an internal monologue. if you want some real good quests, go play any of the recent tamriel releases, especially the thieves guild questline in narsis.

skyrim might as well exist solely for screen archery and mod quests

>>719477832
He is barely a Warlord nevermind an Emperor.

>>719474329
Thanks to the wonder of level scaling, there's no more 'rat' -> 'god' progression in Skyrim.
You start the game killing undead nords, you end the game killing undead nords+5.
There's literally zero progression in the game and it's ridiculous that people don't notice it.

>>719477967
The Hipster gambit. Compare it to something nobody has heard of nevermind played.
Well played anon, well played indeed.

>>719478205
not entirely
you start the game being unable to take a lot of dwemer shit, dremola lords, some dragon priests, etc reliably. and a lot of the areas that are not near the starting location of the map will have fixed/minimum levels
but the factions specifically are like entirely leveled

>>719473483
>You literally assasinate the fucking emperor in Skyrim
Spoken like a true mouth breathing imbecile.
You could have a quest in skyrim to kill all the gods and daedric princes and it will still suck due to how everything in that game is set up.

>>719478505
>You won't be able to fight reskinned bandits and superbosses!
Who gives a shit? 99% of your enemies will be 'undead nords' or bandits.

>>719477832
>>719478145
The Mede Empire has existed for 180 years by the time of Skyrim

>>719478727
The "empire" of Cyrodil, High Rock, and half of Skyrim? That one?
Barely a notable warlord.

>>719478817
>no argument
Concession accepted

>>719473483
Oblivion is a clown show in and out
I know this is hard to beelieve for zoomers but the game was famous because it was a technical leap for its time above all else

>>719473638
As a kid I really didnt expect the plot twist at the end which is why it was memorable

>>719473483
Gimmicks are fun

>>719475063
>"in what world is Oblivion better"
>"w-well it's ridiculous, janky and campy even when it shouldn't be, a-and also it has absolute shitty Oblivion Gates"
lmao

>in game nobody cares and it changes nothing
nice "roleplay"

>>719478957
You usually put up more of a fight before you tuck tail.
Hope you are feeling well.

>>719479290
Typical for Bethesda. In Morrowind the Arch Mage will give you a quest to kill all the Telvani magisterial even if you are one.

Bethesda games are fairly loose with player agency. If you want to do a thing you usually can.

>>719473483
>Skyrim removed the requirement for ghosts needing silver/daedric/enchanted to kill
>Meaning canonically random dumbass niggers with rocks or tree branches can kill fucking ghosts permanently

>>719478683
im talking about entire enemy factions
if all you fight is undead nords or bandits youre ignoring most of the massive dungeons and dlcs in the game

>>719477967
>skyrim might as well exist solely for screen archery and mods
Skyrim was once called a walking simulator. Because its quests and game mechanics are so awful that you are better off just not engaging in that stuff. And if mechanics can be modded, the quests cannot be, so people just do that whole go-inna-woods, or do anything that is not quests. Its was, and is, and will be THAT BAD.

>screen archery
Yeah, because playboy and such dont do fantasy dress-ups for their models. So gotta get that smut from somewhere... and it just so happens that Skyrim is a perfect shit for that, because DAZ is just ugly, right?
>custom quests
And yet they are all just a bunch of wankery and about as consistent and lore-frindly as a berry pie with blood and cocaine allover it. The worst are the souls immitation mods.

>>719479873
Oh wow the DLC...Fighting vampires...Which are reskinned bandits...

>>719480012
make a new savefile and go straight to the dragonborn dlc under level 10 right now

>>719480454
>Heh I pointed out content that wasn't even in the game at launch
>What now CHUD?
Lol

>>719473483
The whodunnit quest is actually bugged to hell in a way that makes it pretty unfun. Spells will always fail the bonus objective, melee will never fail the bonus objective (even if done directly in front of another person)

>>719473483
>You literally assasinate the fucking emperor in Skyrim
And no one in the game has a meaningful reaction, which is pretty insane when you think about it.
>All the quests in Oblivion are fucking gimmicks with zero substance
As opposed to Skyrim quests which neither gimmick or substance

>>719477967
>skyrim might as well exist solely for screen archery and mod quests

Big truth, people like the DB questlines because it's the only 'decent' questline you can get in vanilla. Surprises me how after almost 14 years nobody managed to do a proper overhaul of the main quest, which is possibly the worst questline. I've seen attempts, but no real solution. By this point I'm just doing screen archery in that game because the main quest never fails at giving me a sense of urgency that makes me want to get in that shit just to regret it inmediately.

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>>719479427
God I want to suck an argonian's tail

>>719473483
>Did Dark Brotherhood questline last
>Fame already maxed out, zero Infamy, Personality maxed out, disposition already up one stage with everyone you meet due to being Champion of Cyrodiil, Holy Crusader of the Knights of Nine, Grand Champion of the Area, etc
>Everyone already implicitly trusts me and never suspects me during the Whodunnit quest
>Just casually pick them all off with arrows without never needing to do what everyone says is the fun part of the quest

>>719480654
>goalpost moved
theres plenty of room to criticize skyrim's abysmal progression without being comically reductive
>>719481114
skyrim and TW3 are two games where i feel like the MQ sense of urgency is just plain unfitting
would be much better as a slower paced investigation that sometimes goes on long pauses instead of "holy shit the world is gonna end you NEED to do this"

>>719474441
I don't understand how people hold this opinion. I mean look at everything related to the mages guild and compare it to Skyrim's, in what world is Oblivions worse than Skyrim's?

>>719479203
Why are you stuttering so much faggot

>>719473638
Oblivion's DB questline is pretty cool once they have the reveal at the end of the quest, but the dead drop part of the quest got to be a bit tedious and repetitive after a while. After replaying it recently, I do think Skyrim's version was better overall. Both are fun though.

>>719481426
I beat Mages Guild in Oblivion without ever casting a single spell my whole playthrough

>>719474190
You raise a good point. I'm trying to play neutral good but friendly fired some soldiers at kvatch so now the dark brotherhood has invited me. I was refusing to kill again to join but since I know it eventually results in their demise, should I do it? Can a neutral good character justify killing innocents if it means stopping the larger killing of innocents at play?

>>719474206
Getting drunk and fucking a hagraven is pretty memorable.

>>719482152
Your character isn't privy to meta knowledge

>>719473638
Those who played it as kids have an emotional attachment to it

>>719482475
Doesn't chim exist?

>>719473483
Skyrim's questline is garbage
Nowadays I just stab astrid in the shack and call it a day

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every time you hear someone praise skyrim's quests it's always some bad faith shit. always omitting details, always doing massive mental gymnastics to convince anyone that their game isn't a horridly written mess
look you can just admit that skyrim is fun to mod and fuck around with, but you CAN NOT under any circumstances with a sound mind say that skyrim has good quests

>>719482843
Not in oblivion

>>719481845
I don't think that's possible unless you used scrolls.

>>719483051
>with a sound mind say that skyrim has good quests
I think there is just one good quest. The one where you go into dwemer ruins and meet that ghost and go to recover those swemer aetherium shards and forge a crown that allows you to have two birthsigns. Or a shield or a staff (both are useless though). You also get that nice bow.

>>719483448
some people (even in this thread) want to argue that it has better quests than oblivion. madness. pure retardation

I remember a side quest in each city in oblivion
I hardly remember any side quests of skyrim

>>719483830
I know. I would like to think that its just contrarianism, and the point of it is just to have a "debate" for the sake of arguing, not for anything else. I guess some people are just THAT bored.

>>719483830
Skyrim is more focused on choice and consequence than Oblivion. Oblivion is more narrative focused.

>>719479203
Yeah and that's all better than the snoozefest that is Skyrim. Oblivion is goofy, Skyrim is just nothing.

>>719481768
Skyrim basically raped magic, the best part of elder scrolls. They was when Bethesda became anti-fun

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>>719473483
I always help Penitus Oculatus and destroy Dark Brotherhood.
Why?
Septim Empire is dying. Dragonborn Emperors are no more. Imperial guilds are disintegrating, old traditions are dying out. Blades are just a few geezers on a run from Thalmor. Aldmeri Dominion is trying to unmake Mundus.
Dark Brotherhood dying out and disappearing forever fits the lore. It makes things more interesting. Something new will rise in its place. Sithis will find a new way to stir chaos.

>>719485332
If you think Oblivion and Skyrim are lacking give Morrowind a shot.
You will be amazed how far they have come.

>>719485504
The Septim Empire is dedicated. It died with Martin.
The Meade empire is just a warlord wearing the corpse of the Septim Empire as a costume.

>>719473483
>You literally assasinate the fucking emperor in Skyrim
And it's designed as if you're just going after some company boss or higher level merchant. His whole speech of "emperors and assassins" means jack shit. He's the fucking emperor, getting to him should be nearly impossible and require the cooperation with a dozen people all pulling favors and analysing secret schedules. The heists in GTA 5 shit all over that quest.

>>719473483
>Skyrim quest is good because it says "BIG IMPORTANT" on it
>Oblivion quest is bad because you need to think and do stuff, yucky
t. sub 80 iq

>>719483431
Aside from that one puzzle in that one Ayelid ruin.

Point being, people that criticize College questline for having 2 crawls through Draugr ruins don't have much to stand on when I just hacked and slashed my way through the Mages' guild questline just the same. And at least Skyrim has unique dungeons with unique lore behind them instead of just being copy/pasted slogs like Oblvion's/

>>719485256
not an argument

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>>719485642
The point I am trying to make, is that what we've known is dying or dead in Tamriel. Empire as we know it, religion as we know it, even provinces are shifting their borders around.
What arises in the place of what we've seen in the previous games is either something completely new (Meade Empire, Vigilants of Stendarr), or something ancient and forgotten now coming back (The Companions [sort of], Dragons, Falmer).
This is the begging of Kalpa that overstayed its welcome, and in place of what we've known both ancient and new arise to battle it out for their place in the future.
Dark Brotherhood doesn't have a place in this future, it's dying and must stay dead, that fits the narrative.

>>719479203
yes zoomfag there use to be a time when arguing meant reciprocal help in the search for truth and not e-penis duels

>>719486152
Look up the word "argument".
It is always good to know what words mean before you try using them.

You are confusing you having no counterargument with no argument being made.

That public education strikes again.

>>719474206
90% of quests in skyrim are side questswhen you think about it brah

>>719485864
This
Oblivions quest to steal an elder scroll was way more involved than skyrims quest to murder the fucking emperor

>>719486185
Shit changing isn't a sign of an impending apocalypse.
The world didn't end with the Alessian or Reman Empires either.

It is like the Mission Impossible movies. There will always be a world ending threat to be dealt with. That is what heroes do.

>>719486532
not an argument. you're arguing in vain, using whataboutism. never addressing the quality
low iq

>>719486776
Perfect example of how Oblivion focused on narrative while Skyrim focused on player agency.
Oblivions TG questline was quite a ride. Skyrim gave you the option of destroying the DB instead of joining them.

Narrative vs Agency is a tricky path to walk.

>>719486935
Seriously if you are struggling this much to find a counter argument use chat gpt.
Crying about how stupid you are is embarrassing us both.

The best part about the Oblivion demaster coming out is people realizing the game was pretty fucking bad no matter what mechanics Skyrim cut, especially when it comes to exploration and dungeons. Like no wonder it was forgotten about a couple weeks after the rerelease.

>>719486849
World is not ending, quite the contrary, it's not going to end, until Akatusk regenerates the part of it that was Alduin.

>>719473638
I love immersion and lucien

>>719473638
The "who did it" mansion quest was pure fucking Kino and more than makes it worth joining the DB just for it.

>>719473483
>You literally assasinate the fucking emperor in Skyrim
A literallywho and no one cares.
>All the quests in Oblivion are fucking gimmicks with zero substance
As opposed to what?

>>719487592
I don't imagine Microsoft is in any hurry to end the TES franchise anytime soon.
The bad news is the power creep of the threats
We have gone from
An evil wizard looking to complete an artifact to enact his world ending plan

To

Literal gates to Hell opening up on earth starting a demonic invasion.

To

Reality eating Dragons coming back.

How do you escalate the threat?

>>719488150
>An evil wizard looking to complete an artifact to enact his world ending plan
To be honest, he was a false dreamer, dwelling within the world of death, dreaming that he's alive, trying to complete a brass tower to rewrite reality as he sees fit.
I don't think TES had a problem with escalation of threat up to this point. That might change in the future installments, considering Bethesda has gone completely shit.

>>719488549
It wasn't an imminent threat.
It made sense to take your time in Morrowind. Nothing was going to happen quickly even if the wizard got his macguffin.
It made less sense to go pick flowers for Mary Jane Rottencrotch when you are in walking distance to a gate to Hell or have a dragon biting your ass.

I kinda hope they go back to a more theoretical threat from Morrowind. I doubt they will.

>>719487148
>Narrative vs Agency is a tricky path to walk.
It's not tricky but it takes effort. The fact that you can purge the sanctuary at all is a miracle. I would have expected Todd to go "yeah that's nice but nobody is actually going to do that so spending thousands of man hours on a branch that 0.2% of players are going to see is not in the cards."

>>719488958
Yeah the sense of urgency of Oblivion and Skyrim's main quests is pretty unignorable
>you must take this amulet of absolutely vital importance to maintaining the existence of our world and stop a literal demonic hell invasion, I hope you don't decide to go waste time crawling an ayleid dungeon for welkynd stones and saving a cute argonian girl from Lovecraft cultists on the way
>dragons have returned after 4000 years to literally end reality, I sure hope you don't waste time grinding smithing and alchemy before trying to solve this massive problem
In Morrowind you just got a letter, and even when you do get to Caius Cosades he literally tells you to go dick around and do sidequests until you're ready to continue with him

>>719487541
>no matter what mechanics Skyrim cut,
It's funny because Skyrim didn't cut any mechanic, only added and provided alternatives. It's always been fucking wannabe grognards crying that the Skill list got consolidated and some redundancies pruned. Spears were useless and will remain useless until Bethesda does more than the same basic universal Flurry/Power attack combat. Attributes were redundant and extremely jank; Perks, new Enchantments and permanent buffs are vastly superior. All spell effects are still present, now some are exclusive to Alchemy.
The only unique mechanics that have been cut from the series is climbing walls after Daggerfall and flight spells after Morrowind.

Considering that the DB questline was the best questline in both their respective games, I wonder why Bethesda hasn’t made their own stealth assassination based game. They’re clearly good at designing assassination missions more than any other type of mission.

>inb4 Dishonored

Arkane developed that.