>>719481487
>I finished the campaign a dozen of times
How can a human being even do that?

>>719481487
I refuse to buy the 2nd dlc only because I don't want my loading screen to change from this

>>719482876
You WILL look at the oiled up shirtless male chest and you WILL like it

>>719481487
Basically some spooky ghost people from another dimension want to take over the world, but also some spooky tentacle monster wants to eat the world, and some spooky space monster wants to destroy the world
I'm betting that the new DLC is about some ice monster wanting to destroy the world

>>719481487
>Something about the end of the world I think?
Yeah, something like that

grim yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaawn

>>719481487
the lore of grim dawn is actually pretty good
>two alliances of gods fight a war
>one side creates angels to help
>gods with angels lose and get banned into shadow realm
>from there, angels plotted, watched and slowly corrupted humans, like demons would
>take important humans over one by one and begin with dark experiments to find a way for taking over
>one night, all the planning comes together and humans possessed by angels unleash Cronenberg hell upon humanity
the problem is that the entire base game is you chasing after some cult that's somewhat unrelated to the angel invasion, which has cool lore too tho
>gods kill another god and use his blood to create life
>this now bloodless god is endlessly suffering in the void be, unable to die
>his followers want to kill all living beings so they can return all his blood and heal him (this would actually work according to the game's lore)
only in the first add-on you actually stop the invasion of the angels. the third add-on is a bit more convoluted, but it's basically about a bunch of gods who are behind the magic in the world hiding because an actual, real god they once chained up, who is the actual inventor of magic, is about the break free. something like that.

>>719484187
>third add-on
I meant 2nd

no idea mane, the game is boring as fuck and looks like utter shit

>>719484187
I like Grim Dawn's lore and I also really like the little scraps of paper that tell stories that you find throughout the whole game. I very much enjoyed reading them the first time around, they show some neat, and often horrifying, insights into the world.

>>719481487
https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/grim-dawn-lore-notes-pdf-and-ebook-epub-new-update-1-1-9-0/50203

It's absolutely insane how much better Grim Dawn is than its "competition."

>>719481487
NEW DLC WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEN

>>719484187
that's pretty cool actually
sounds more interesting whan what i assumed

Why play this at all instead of Path of Exile? Its the king of ARPGs for a good fucking reason and its free.

>>719487527
PooE is gay shit for NEET retards who pretend they like ARPGs but actually want a job simulator.

I've made two serious attempts to play through this and it's so fucking boring and easy, I can't imagine playing through the entire thing.
There's zero skill pacing, you can get your builds "main" skill, or whatever skill you want to consider your "main", in like 5 levels then you spend dozens of hours spamming that single skill. The dual class system serves zero fucking purpose because that single skill will be enough to coast through game.
>The REAL game starts when-
What, the """REAL""" game starts after 60 fucking hours in NG+? You can say the same for Diablo 2 for example but the difference being a difficulty level in D2 is like 6 hours long AND you don't get Frozen Orb in 15 fucking minutes.

>>719487730
How so?

>>719487730
arpg elitism will never not be pathetic. it's the same dogshit

>>719484187
I assume the fallen angels are the Aetherials, but who are the followers of the Bloodless God and what life was created from his stolen blood?

>>719487887
>There's zero skill pacing, you can get your builds "main" skill, or whatever skill you want to consider your "main", in like 5 levels then you spend dozens of hours spamming that single skill. The dual class system serves zero fucking purpose because that single skill will be enough to coast through game.
thats my main criticism of PoE/D4/most arpgs though, Grim Dawn, and now TQ2, are not this kind of game to the same extent. Both allow you to use multiple skills that matter.

>>719481487
Now play a real video game instead of a genre that's entirely casual passive dogshit. You could have played so many good games over this span of time. If I were in your shoes I'd genuinely feel sick over all the time I've wasted on a literal 0/10 non-game.

>>719481487
It's been ages since I played but I think ghost aliens invade the world and fuck everything up, so people use magic powers to fight them but this awakens the ancient evil and now things are DOUBLE fucked up.

>>719486436
we still gotta cook bro

>>719487527
They're both good games, each is definitely worth at least one full playthrough.

>>719488197
>but who are the followers of the Bloodless God?
The Cult of C'thon, the crazies wearing blood red robes and assorted demons they summon.
>and what life was created from his stolen blood?
All mortal life on the setting's world.

>>719488552
Cool, thanks.

>>719484187
My favorite bit is how the Aetherials didn't really have emotions or individuality before they started possessing humans. And of course, the humans they first possessed were the ones they could tempt with promises of power, so the first emotions they experienced were ones of evil motherfuckers, which turned their whole plan into the Cronenberg apocalypse we see in the game.

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>>719488726
In general I fucking love how everything keeps going wrong for everyone involved. Cult of C'thon thinking they're clever and can use the ongoing apocalypse to cause their own one, only for Creed to panic and all but completely forget about the Aetherials which eventually leads to Ashes of Malmouth, and also drag in the two cults into the conflict which leads to Forgotten Gods does anyone else keep mixing it with Spellforce 3's expansion, Fallen God?.

>>719488726
That's not it at all. They were overwhelmed by the emotions of those that they possessed and particular individuals, like Act I's final boss, could influence their conscious thoughts and decisions. They thought possession would be simple.

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>>719481487
Cthulhu Dimension and Ghost Dimension demons invaded Earth at the same time because of some Eldritch God tantrum.

I liked that aetherials slowly became just like their hosts

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>>719489492
i really want to learn more about picrel

My main issue with Grim Dawn is the existence of Act 3.

>>719484187
>godshit
yawn

>>719490208
Is that Yugol?

>>719490329
yes

>>719481487
I beat this and the only thing I remember about it is that there were green crystals. The lack of impression is actually impressive now that I think about it.

>>719490390
See you in Grim Dawn 2!

The world Cairn is just the corpse of Chaos and everybody is just a maggot writhing around on it. The cthonic cult just wants to make it whole again. just let out all your blood so we can go home, okay?
the Aetherials are some kind of spirit/energy entities from a higher plane which become corrupted when they enter the flesh of chaos.

>>719490437
god i wish

>>719490208
>able to choose any form
>choose to look like a vagina

>>719490730
They're working on the engine for it right now, among other things.

>>719490551
The Aetherials are effectively homunculi created by the gods to act as slaves.

>>719490551
they'll both get eaten by yugol so ggwp

>>719490437
The problem is that GD2 is bound to cuck our MC one way or another because it's a video game. He either gets drained to level 1, completely ignored, or outright killed.

>>719487527
GD is for people who play solo and don't want to interact with people, legendary items drop like candies compared to the competition so the grind is a lot easier and the game is easy enough (celestial bosses aside) that you can clear it without a super optimized build.
You will need to at least trade and barter in PoE if you don't want to grind and you will still need to grind Orbs to be even able to trade in the first place.

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>new expansion delayed to Q2 2026

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>>719490208

The GD1 character is transcending into being one of those Celestials that just do whatever the fuck they feel like doing. Or will devote to chasing down the 3 Witch Gods just to punish them for being manipulative shitters.

>>719491705
The Witch Gods are probably the only divine power that is interested in survival of humanity. They're cunts, but they're our cunts.

>>719487527
Why would I want to play freemium trash when I can just play a good game instead?

>>719492030
Korvaak is a better god than the bitch gods and he was right about everything
He probably ganked Cthon for us too, how can we turn our back on Korvaak like that

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>>719487730
grim yawn is good for the slower reflexed elderly player that cant be really arsed to go through the hard grind and slot machine mechanics of these arpgs and just wants to smooth sail from lvl 1 to 100

poe is not only much more hectic, has badzillion mechanics that interact with each way unpredictably and can one-shot even the most tankiest builds if really bad circumstances align. its also extremely grindy and if you dont know what you are doing its easy to shit up your build even after all of these years of
>MORE multiplier
power creep

I want to find more lesser-known arpgs in the subgenre like Ghostlore, Chronicon, The Slormancer, Hero Siege, etc.

>>719491502
with all of the loot pinata mechanics and various crafting mechanics SSF poe1 today is actually the most satisfying experience progression wise. compared to trade league when you can end up one shotting ubers with the right build guide and a couple hundred chaos orbs+ one divine. which anybody can grind up on chaos recipe alone as long as they do some very basic white/yellow mapping

>>719484187
I beat the game and first two expansions and somehow I missed every last detail about this and the game in general except for the very first area with the asylum dungeon which I thought was cool.

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>>719484187
>angels
you mean aetherials? why do you explain in such a retarded way? let me present the lore in a non idiotic way you stupid motherfucker.

the whole lore of grim dawn is hell and the whole hp lovecraft brigade just rising up from non reality and fucking shit up, now human are in an apocalypse just trying anything to stay alive

>>719491502
Pretty much, GD is just vampire survivors for people who don't want to admit they're playing a game for little kids.

>>719494957
Go to Las Vegas if you love PooE so much; it's the same experience.

>>719494907
damn I thought everyone just decided they wanted to become skeletons for my army

>>719495125
I don't like poe either any more since they dumbed it down. GD is even worse. Its definitely not even a video game. Play literally anything else. People play "offline ARPGs" are the hugest semen slurping faggots.

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Expansion any day now...

At least Grim Dawn gave me a cool void head, even if I had to pay for it; screw you, elden ring!

>>719495847
https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/fangs-of-asterkarn-development-update-june-2025/146114
Next year

>>719487527
I wanted to like PoE with its skill system, and I played it when it was the new thing, but it was designed with build-enabling uniques AND low drop rates to drive trading (with a cancerous trading scene). I couldn't do anything that I really wanted to do and the character that I got to end game just wasn't interesting enough to keep playing.

>>719487527
Grim Dawn has skill trees, PoE doesn't. End of discussion.

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>>719482876
you can change it in the options

Everybody is always talking about Grim Dawn or Path of Exile, but what about Titan Quest 2? How does that game compare to the other two?

>>719481487
>went the same level grind multiple times
are you like locked in a basement with no other games to play?

>>719497124
It's early access. I'm not playing it until it's actually out.

>>719490250
A3 and 4 are really a massive step down from the peak atmosphere and comfyness of a1 and a2.

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>>719494957
shmup are hard though and my reflexes are only getting worse as I get older.
I get the Touhoes can laugh at me for a good reason now.

>>719484187
isnt that the exact same as diablo

>>719491314
>our MC
do you seriously have only 1 character in an ARPG game? the fuck is wrong with you

>>719496884
That's the title screen.

>>719481487
I dont know why but I always end up getting bored midgame. Propably because Im never sure if my class combo is any good.

The farthest I got was when you cross the bridge with these weird bandit dudes.

>>719494907
>angels
>you mean aetherials?
Aetherials were created by gods to be their servants, so they're kinda like angels. They only became evil when they got locked up in the void because gods are irresponsible assholes.

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>>719496884
>not a single high level character
These are the people critiquing your games.

>>719496884
Look at him go!

>>719497514
That's really not midgame, that's the beginning of act 2.

This has multiplayer, right? Does anyone play this with other people?

>>719498212
only weirdos play ARPGs in multiplayer

ARPGs in multiplayer require enough familiarity to just immediately know what to do with whatever drops. Anything less and you get left behind while trying to figure out loot.

>>719483401
This but the ghost people are trapped in crystals, very important detail.

>>719483401
I get the spooky ghost people are aetherials and the tentacle monster is the chthonics but what's the space monster?

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>>719497387
>shmup are hard though and my reflexes are only getting worse as I get older.
They've always been hard and they're about routing, not reflexes. People are sinking like 200 hours into caveshit to get those 1ccs. You aren't spot dodging bullets, you literally just tap the stick or look at gaps way ahead of you. This is the problem with ARPGs, you aren't actually learning anything, you know, playing a game. Shmups are a test of neuroelasticity. The brain is like a muscle, it'll grow stronger the more you exercise it. Look at this faggot:
https://youtu.be/QvOKAhX_lp0
He's the same as any of the grimderp edgy old good new bad doomposters on /v/. You have to challenge yourself to recapture that level of interest you had as a child.

>>719498849
Yugol

>>719495439
It's good to play if it's fun and engaging. I didn't find grim yawn engaging nor poe1 at its peak "non dumbed down", it was just "look up build, play for 6 gorillion hours at endgame for no reason"

>>719497514
I also felt the same but the game gets repetitive too.

FREE MY NIGGA KORVAAK. FUCK THE FALSE GODS.

>>719499379
>it was just "look up build
Well if that has been your experience surely it must apply to everyone.

>>719481487
Same here. I do think the ending to the main game campign is kino doe

>>719489492
yea they are all retarded, one Murder hobo is enough to shut that shit down.

at least Diablo 4's demons have the "we WILL win in the long term" on their side to make them seem less incompetent with Murder Hobo's wrecking them.

>>719489982
can't beat the human cock.

>>719490551
that sounds like some Talmudic Tikkum Olam fucking bullshit.

just say NO to Jew Demon Cults, Frenzy Flame in Elden Ring was also some Tikkum Olam shit too.

>>719499738
only people who didn't look up builds were autistic theorycrafters themselves with 9 gorillion hours of dedication, or idiots like me who just went wild on the nodes at first.

>>719491314
Your MC will be fully ascended by GD2 and will be one of the constellations you can pick.

>>719481487
It's exhausting. It's the whole world is caught between some war of three Lovecraftian gods, and all three pick on the humans or some shit. Like no matter which one wins everyone is fucked anyway.

>>719497124
its 8% released, so it doesn't matter we have nothing to go by.

so far its aright, I guess.

>>719497124
It's unrealslop and that's all you need to know about it. It will run like dogshit and look like dogshit.

>>719500335
sounds like we are more important than any singular one of them are.

>>719491314
What’s stopping GD2 from having an entirely new protagonist?

>>719481487
How's the Arab daddy DLC?

Mogdrogen is such a beta. How does a faction as based as the Rovers stoop to worshipping him?

The thing I hate the most about GD are the boss enemies. Every enemy is so nondescript and nonthreatening you barely even register them as enemies then you hit an enemy with like 10x-15x their health that can two shot you and can take multiple minutes of plinking to take down.

>actual Grim Dawn was caused by Aetherials
>Main Quest has NOTHING to do with Aetherials and instead some literallywho random Cult
?????????

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>>719481487
Pre-History
>Gods did things
>They warred
>Some gods made the Etherials, when they lost they have been sealed away
>There was a god who died, called C'thon, from its blood came humanity
>He would like to get it back, but then all humans would have to die
>C'thon have been returning, and the Etherials have been losnening their prison, they are doing an all-out war far from your dimension
>Some other crazy stuff too probably
>Rovarians accidentally create necromancy, destroy their nation
>Big current empire is founded
>Long time of prosperity
>Etherials have been slowly coming to our world, possessing people, and when they reached critical mass opened rifts to their world simultaniously, and also fucked over the empire
>Now possessed flesh monsters roam the land
>C'thonian cultists star to do their thing in our world as well

GAME STARTS HERE
>You've been possessed
>Caught and got to hang
>Etherial possessing you says "Fuck you lmaoooo" and fucks off leaving your body
>You are recruited to the resistance
>Turns out you can control the rifts that the Etherials use to come across from their world to yours
>Can port large amount of people around, a real game changer
>Starting settlements asks you to kill off Etherials to help them
>Now go get food from a far away settlement of Homestead
>Meet friendly chef there who as the emperor's assassin also a friendly demigod save some people
>Friendly chef and inquisitor friend reconnects you with remnants of the Army
>C'tonians want to summon a toe of their god, and plunge this world into bloodorgy
>You go stop them, friendly chef swallowed and stuck in the otherword
So the plot is a disjointed mess

ASHES OF MALMUTH
>Malmuth, giant industrial town all over with atherials
>You go there, help to retake it
>Kill local etherial boss
>Free some etherial prisoner, who symphatizes with humans and goes hom to talk in our interests

FORGOTTEN GODS
>Lost track, utterly unrelated to the previous events.

>>719501436
Acts 1 and 2 are about aetherials. Then you encounter a much more imminent threat from the cultists, and after that you get back to dealing with aetherials in Malmouth.

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What combo will you play with the new Barbarian class?

I'm thinking about doing a NightBlade Barbarian

>>719501553
FG is just you killing some >Forgotten God who was about to get out of his cuck jail

I keep remaking characters and can't seem to stick to one for very long. I want to do all the things and damage types.

>>719501747
Yeah but like the god had some long lore as well, about the 3 witch gods that one of the classes uses. Also the first necromancer was there! He didn't do much, but like he was supposed to be a big deal or something.

>>719501553
>There was a god who died, called C'thon, from its blood came humanity
C'thon is implied to be the first god and was killed before the other gods warred each others.
>Rovarians accidentally create necromancy, destroy their nation
Necromancy predate Arkovia and the nation was destroyed because they tried to exterminate every necromancer while using their powers to try to make themselves immortal.
The rest is accurate.

>>719501235
>gypsies
>based

>>719501978
The first necromancer tried to stop the shitshow, but got fucked over by his son.

>all these Angels and Lovecraft Demons and their high and mighty magic and grand plans

>I whack them with a big fucking stick

hehehe

>>719501553
>Forgotten Gods
Father Kymon who you meet in Act 4 if you side with Kymon's Chosen has supposedly been worshipping Empyion to obtain his powers but its revealed that he has actually formed a pact with Korvaak, Empyrion's brother. The Witch Gods usurped Korvaak's eldritch domain a long time ago because Ulzuin (Korvaak's nephew) was a fucking retard and was too busy trying to fuck Bysmiel (she was his favourite female followers/sex slaves). This betrayal by Bysmiel drove Ulzuin insane and that's why he went from healing to pyromania (he's part of the demolitionist class if you bother reading the skills). Korvaak could only be usurped because he was injured during the schism between the Gods where half of them tapped into Yugol's power and were corrupted. He stood with Empyrion against them but his brother fucked off somewhere and nobody knows where. The Witch Gods were originally humans who took advantage of this by entering the eldritch realm and stealing Korvaak's power before sealing him away forever. Kymon found out about the aetherial invasion and was desperately looking for a way to save the world, Korvaak's herald was still around and formed a pact between them. Kymon got magical powers and an ability to fight against the aetherials/cthonians and Korvaak got enough worshippers to break out of his prison. In Forgotten Gods Kymon is going to free Korvaak and release him on the world, the Witch Gods are shitting themselves so they use the MC and trick him into doing their dirty work. (You) are a one many army who manages to get to Uroboruuk the first necromancer who has sealed Korvaak's temple in the hope of stopping any shit going down. He's also a massive jobber and got defeated by his son because he gets emotional and doesn't want to kill him. He opens the temple killing him after you btfo his retarded kid. Part 1 of 2

>>719497628
See that little arrow at the bottom of the list? Let's try to hypothesize what the arrow means

>>719502904
Yes I'm sure all the high level characters are hidden there.

>>719487527
>No firearms
>Gender-locked classes
Skip.

>>719501656
Act 2 is about securing relations with the local farmsteads so all the survivors in a rundown prison won't starve to death. Also helping the farmers not be overrun by big as fuck bugs who apparently do this every season. Act 2 of Grim Dawn is probably the weakest because there's nothing as immediate a problem as Act 3, and you kind of expect Act 1 to be the one that builds up the threat as you take out a possessed warden and secure the safety of survivors in the prison.

>>719502890
Part 2 of 2:
You meet Kymon and if you sided with him earlier he's apologetic about the way things have turned out. He also gives you a speech about how this is the only way humanity can survive and tbf he's kind of got a point. Korvaak has enough power to destroy what remains of the Cthonians and then the Aetherials but given his betrayal and imprisonment he will likely enslave all of humanity. Even before his imprisonment he is quite similar to the old testament version of God, asking for sacrifices and turning some dude into the God of Rats for not giving him his due reverence and the years imprisoned haven't done much to help. You enter the Eldritch realm and Korvaak starts seething about how the Witch Gods are too scared to face him and sent you instead. By the time you reach him he's gained enough strength to break out of his chains and he starts fighting you. Inevitably, he ends up losing and though he's not perma-dead the Emissary states he will never again have enough strength to pose a threat to the Witch Gods. If you click the essence he drops it reveals some dialogue about his imprisonment and how he could sense the "dead one stirring". This is Cthon waking up and Korvaak refused to let himself die like this so that's probably around the time his messenger reached out to Kymon. Honestly, I feel bad for Korvaak and how he got fucked over, I hope GD2 lets up run up on the Witch Gods cause if Korvaak were still around and kicking instead of being usurped the Grim Dawn would never have happened.

>>719502890
>>719503523
Don't worry, we still have John Bourbon's clone army.

>>719501980
Oh yeah must have skimmed over the Arkovian lore. There are also a lot of other stuff like Mogdrogen not being a real god, but made as a god weapon.

>>719502890
>>719503523
Thanks for the explanation. Well a trio called "The Witch Gods" are bound to be pricks. Korvaak really got the short end of the stick.

>>719503523
yea well when the Avatar of demi-god Combat starts strolling into your domain, maybe a bit more pliable.

by that point we are as unofficiallly a Demi-God as it gets, he should have known how this would play out.

>>719500335
Just like Eternal Darkness.

>>719503724
yea Witch Gods are probably the type that to get a good harvest or even a wheel of cheese the want your first born and 30 other human sacrifices like they run off Korean MMO exchange rates.

>>719503871
I appreciate how Grim Dawn respects you enough not to give you "THE CHOSEN ONE" shtick, even though by all metric you are a unique and really powerful.

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>>719500335
not when I charge at them and hit them with a BIG STICK

>>719503951
Solael is the most openly dickish to his followers, being that he demands they kill each other to ensure only the strongest remain. The spider bitch loves being obtuse and devising convoluted plans, and the eyeballer sees everything, but apparently usually can't be bothered to stop most of it. He just likes to watch.

Honestly, why play this over Last Epoch or Path of Exile?

>>719504004
your not chosen, your just the one guy or gal who took advantage of your Aetherial connection to KILL SHITTERS SHITTING UP YOUR WORLD

>>719484187
Lore is genuinely good and the lore notes are worth reading but they picked the absolute worst genre to put this much effort into lore into

>>719504023
IT'S AN OPTION

>>719504023
1, Path of Exile is an entirely different kind of ARPG.

2, Last Epoch is blatantly unfun to level new characters in each season, great skill variety and skill-tree system, but god damn is the fucking campaign boring because its so fucking impossibly easy.

Grim Dawn is more like D2 where leveling up through the game feels like "the game" instead of Last Epoch where the only actual game is the Endgame.

>>719504182
Exactly, you fit the mold, some retard could come to you and say that there is a prophecy, but it doesn't do that. You just got a unique, hard to replicate situation, and the proceed to survive long enough to be a really threat, and proceed to do great things.

>>719503628
Infinite Taken just spawning out of Aetherials rifts would win the war easily.
>>719503724
They do help their followers but even then they have serious problems. Solael is the biggest asshole by far and will actively make his followers sacrifice each other. That's not suprising given he was a massive dickhead before he became a God. Dreeg is alright because he's just a schizo and was the one who first discovered the Eldritch realm and saw Korvaak's true form. Bysmiel is a backstabbing whore (literally) and her followers are not to be trusted. Most Gods in this setting are cunts desu. Empyrion is the only "good" one and nobody knows where he went or why he disappeared.
>>719503871
Korvaak didn't have a choice at this point. You are actively killing his followers and are attempting to seal/kill him. Its not like he could pull out a talk no jutsu and convince us to join him. The devs really didn't want you to side with him.

>>719504023
because when it comes to mindless diablo clones you want the simplest one imaginable
>PoE: I want to damage outcast loop enemies to death in the most complicated rube goldberg machine build imaginable in path of exile... that's right the perfect nexus of complexity and optimization in my preplanned talent tree
>grim dawn: i shoot monster

>>719504023
Because last epoch is dogshit and I've played PoE 1 to death.

>>719502890
>Ulzuin (Korvaak's nephew) was a fucking retard and was too busy trying to fuck Bysmiel (she was his favourite female followers/sex slaves
I mean, have you seen how she looks like? I would do the same.
For those who didn't get it, it is hinted that the cult leaders are actually the witch gods in disguise, meaning that Byscilla (girl in OP's pic) is actually Bysmiel and it's also why the cult leaders immediatly fuck off the moment you defeat Korvaak.

>>719504342
its cooler that way, your just a self-made Demigod of KILL DAEMONS

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>>719504182
>think you're a comedian and unpossess the body you were highjacking as they're about to get hanged
>accidentally create your equivalent of the doomslayer
If we get a sequel, I hope the MC's backstory will be an equally big fuckup.

>>719504023
Last Epoch has some good ideas, with incredibly customizable skills and the crafting system letting you pseudo-forge your best gear....by breaking up other pieces of gear that aren't quite what you're looking for. The classes are gender locked so no alternates if you want that sort of thing, and the game practically lives off of its cosmetic dlc's that are only options on offer if you don't want the usual ARPG clownsuits. Which tells me they COULD do this for free and immediately, but it's too profitable so they won't. PoE I would like, but you have to do roughly similar like Last Epoch in the crafting of gear as opposed to simply finding it, so sometimes killing bosses or elites feels very underwhelming when you get skill orbs and crafting materials rather than some cool item right then and there. Likewise the devs boast of a very big skill and passive tree, which is true but it's a bunch of small passive bonuses spread throughout the whole fucking passive forest. There's rarely anything in there that drastically change or alter a skill, it's all passive stat bonuses and barely anything else.

Grim Dawn has it's own problems, but if I want an ARPG that does the basics well, it's my usual go to.

>>719487527
Poe is a bloated mess and its dead. I loved it at the beginning but they butchered it once they released 10 acts. Cant belive i was hyped for it. Poe 2 i dont even consider arpg. Mouse movement is cancer

>>719481487
i love GD's perfect arpg story

>monsters are invading
>go kill everything
>theres multiple monster factions who are embroiled in a big world war
>has autistic lore if you're willing to get into it

simple as

>>719504554
>Mouse movement is cancer
>poe2
???

>>719504334
>Path of Exile is an entirely different kind of ARPG
Interesting, what kind of different ARPGs are there and kinds are GD and PoE?

Come to think of it, is there a vidya world more fucked than Grim Dawns? There's three separate apocalyptic scenarios playing out simultaneously.

>>719504342
>>719504438
Doomguy Diablo clone

>>719504621
Little Nightmares

>>719491502
>>719494759
You guys never played last epoch
>>719494957
i actually feel like vampire survivors might be harder than grim dawn
>>719497387
who said anything about shmups? vampire survivors is not a shmup
>>719498956
the video you posted is very elitist and silly and kind of cringe
i say this as someone who can clear ikaruga on hard without taking a hit, also completed dot eater and the ammo variant... and have played it for ??? hours (my gamecube memory card save only shows 99:99)
you can definitely 1cc crimzon clover in less than 200 hours. maybe start there instead of caveshit. if you have played other shmups a lot of skills do transfer over.

i'm not sure why playing a game means you have to be learning something. the people with 7200+ hours in wow, 1000+ hours in warframe, etc etc, aren't learning much of anything, are they...

>>719504621
yea but there are gods and Demi-Gods (you being one of them) who can do something about it.

Diablo's setting is infinitely more bleak, especially post Diablo 3, the Black Soulstone event killed 80% of humanity.

the remainder are fucked, no new Nephilim popped up after the D3 one(s), and, as usual, the forces of Hell are simply willing to play the long game to take Sanctuary, the Angelic Host could care less, Tyrael is no where to be seen and was Humanities only advocate.

every battle with Hell involves untold human life lost, and for Hell, its nothing, they are literally immortal when it comes to the Prime Evils, and the other demons quite literally spawn out of the ether in the Hells infinitely, all they have to do is win once.

its mainly a problem of the cosmology of Sanctuary and humanities origin, they will forever be tied to demonic forces wanting to take over Sanctuary to get their Uber weapons (unlocked Nephilim) to finally smash the High Heavens, its all inevitable.

>>719504812
what was the appeal of this game again?
I mean I beat it and it was playable. The stealth market is so desperate for options right now that I sat through it

>>719504612
Nioh is dipping a toe in arpg land by having randomly generated loot that you use to make builds of varying power. Same for Borderlands, though arguably Hellgate London was the first fps-arpg that takes the formula Diablo made and applies it to shooting guns and gun based accessories. Under Bethesda, fallout is a much slower and less action oriented version but you still have randomly generated loot to support build crafting.

>>719504023
GD's massive strength is that its just a video game. Buy it, play the campaign, play the expansions. satisfied.

>>719504393
GD wouldn't get this far without well designed theorycrafting

>>719504887
>vampire survivors is not a shmup
It's a shmup for people who can't handle shmup.

>>719497124
go play titan quest 1, it's really fucking good
BUT don't compare it to poe/LE/d4/etc, any of those "live service" games, just look at it as like, this came out when champions of norrath

>>719484187
>you actually stop the invasion of the angels
No, you don't do that. The world is still fucked, you just bodied them out of one large city but it's mentioned multiple times that there are more places like this where aetherials completely dominate. As of the end of the dlc everything you do amounts to rallying some human resistance. What happens next is uncertain, but player character says
>lmao bye I'm going on vacation to Egypt

None of this matters through, because on your vacation you do something that basically condemns the whole world if you read shattered realm notes.

>>719504017
>grows a thousand eyes just to better ponder his orb
Dreeg is /ourguy/

>>719504928
The appeal is the worldbuilding, really. Too bad that's probably going to take a nosedive now that the next game is not being made by the same people anymore.

>>719505026
I had a blast playing grim dawn and my build was literally just auto-attack with fire bullets on alchemist rifle, with the sweet dumb ass magma armor. I beat the base game, a big side dungeon, and some of the base game autistic hell bosses. I felt overleveled for most of it which was fine. The whole gameplay of these fucking games is
>monsters run at you
>you shoot them
>they die
>sometimes they're tanky bosses and you have to dodge
this shit is really a step above tetris

>>719504464
>everything is fucked up for literally everybody and every faction due to either shortsights, contrivances, or plain old bad luck

>>719487527
I remember PoE before it had its gender reassignment surgery. Why would I play its absolute current state?
That's a problem with GaaS shit, the game you enjoyed may just disappear overnight and there's nothing you will be able to do.
I am entirely sure if there was a way to run standalone PoE as of Delirium, Heist or Ultimatum, nobody would play whatever niGGGers shit out in the current year.

>>719505212
and don't forget, you eventually make BIGGER aoe's and shoot faster

that's the good shit, the real skinner box sauce there.

>>719505112
let me remember
>it's london and london sucks
>you were really hungry
>one normal person gave you food and they were in a prison ship I guess
>all the fat people were monsters
>there was a vampire or gorgon at the end
it's just an irishman simulator unless I'm really missing something

For the inquisitor seal skill, is there a way to make it auto cast where my character is standing instead of where my mouse cursor is? It's not a big deal if I can't but would be nice.

>>719504621
>>719504923
Yeah Diablo does give it a run for its money, even before the popularity of the franchise made Diablo himself completely unkillable. It was not a happy setting.

I guess if we leave ARPG mold, there is Nier, Metro, (haven't played the 3rd) and STALKER

>>719504334
>god damn is the fucking campaign boring
you can start doing monoliths at like level 20

>>719505284
GGG is one of the most mismanaged companies in the biz.

they have no idea why people like POE, and actively hate and fuck with their loyal fanbase in ways that I can only call overbearingly malicious.

the sheer state of whatever it is you want to call POE2 is hilarious, like a grand fuck you joke.

a complete and total mockery of an ARPG

>>719504023
Well for one, it's not GaaS slop.

>>719504479
>There's rarely anything in there that drastically change or alter a skill, it's all passive stat bonuses and barely anything else.
i see you havent actually played the game
or you think that your 1 hr with the game clicking "+life" nodes is representative of the entire skill tree

>>719505038
I for one am looking forward to seeing how much worse things are going to get for the world in the next expansion.

>>719504971
>arguably Hellgate London
tabula rasa

>>719505417
they have to "shake up the meta" every season which means dumpster whatever build people have figured out
better make a new fucking character and get to endgame ASAP
I had some fun with summoner in PoE since summoner just automates the gameplay

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>>719504887
>i say this as someone who can clear ikaruga on hard without taking a hit
Ikaruga is an incredibly easy game, what are you even saying lol

>>719505212
Did you just beat normal and a few nemesises?

>>719505346
Diablo was always unkillable, the "lore" of Diablo was written shortly after Diablo 1.

its always been the case that Diablo is one of the 7 heads of the original Prime Evil.

basically there was "One True God" and he was real Buddha like, and he was also the only THING in existence too.

he contemplated and all that gay shit for a long time, and expelled all the evil in him, this entity became Tathamet, they fought, killed each other and tathamet's 7 heads became the 7 Prime Evils, his body became the Burning Hells

the God's body became the High Heavens, and his brain became the Worldstone, the resonance around his body spawned Angels.

eventually some Angels and Demons got really fucking sick of fighting for all eternity, stole the Worldstone, used it to make Sanctuary, had Kids in a really esoteric way, and these kids were way stronger than either, and yada yada yada

Diablo cannot die, because the Prime Evils and the burning Hells are Divine.

>>719504919
I was not expecting coomer art of grim dawn. Is the middle one meant to be the Malmouth leader?

>>719505034
it's a """"""bullet heaven"""""" aka it sorta looks like a bullet hell to the untrained eye but they don't know anything.

>>719505346
Metro is peachy compared to the rest, turns out the whole world isn't irradiated and people could have just up and left and gone to that big ass Russian Lake the whole time lol

Nier is as bleak as it gets.. for humanity, our creations will live on I guess.

>>719505212
tetris is much more sophisticated
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGVl0d7Ws34
>>719505320
press shift sometimes

>>719505693
not if you're actually chaining and going for S++ ranks

>>719481487
Fallen angels are possessing everyone and remaining corpses with their powers to build a giant army. They are doing this for their final battle with a dead god who wants the blood of all mortals "back" so he no longer feels the pain of all beings that die.

>>719505712
That's Korinia judging by other... works, so yes.
You'd think there should be a lot more Byscilla but it's like all Anasteria lol.

>>719505712
it's the 3 witch gods from FG

>>719505548
And I probably won’t with how it plays. Picking up the weapon should let me eventually unlock all skills related to that weapon. Not have it be up to chance I find a skill orb to unlock a new skill to even use the fucking thing.

>>719505698
Yeah but by the same reason, the Angels cannot die either, yet they we got Tyriel who got depowered and Malthael who decided he stop doing this goodie twoshoe thing.
Then again those are all D3 stuff, the same game that came up with the lore of "The Worldstone destroyed? Well don't worry that thing was just nerfing humans. You are now all OP!"

>>719505809
>turns out the whole world isn't irradiated and people could have just up and left and gone to that big ass Russian Lake the whole time
Well that sucks. But at least in STALKER once you enter the exclusion zone, you cannot leave it without it haunting you.
Maybe there are some other settings, but usually they are horror stuff.

>>719505936
Nope, from left to right you have Anasteria, Korinia and Byscilla.
You even have the faction icons to help you.

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>>719505880
Yes it is. Even as a scoring game its radiant silvergun for babies. And what kind of argument is
>oh uh just dont play cave games
That's the whole point. There are plenty of CAVE games you can 1cc in a short amount of time, people play the really hard ones because they are challenging and fun to learn.

>>719503103
You can't exclude that anon just plays the game a ton and has 10 more in there. Don't be an asshurt shithead

>>719505417
POE2 is way too overtuned. Compared to LE or GD where you just do whatever you want and it'll probably work. If you feel like you built wrong in an arpg cause everything is feeling tedious, you'll just stop playing.

>>719506118
>There are plenty of CAVE games you can 1cc in a short amount of time
NTA but are you some kind of superhuman?

>>719506142
I'm sure he has 10 more low to mid-level characters because all he does is reroll.

>>719506064
Tyrael also became human in D3 so he can actually die. One of the many dumb things added in D3. Compared to D4 making the father of all mankind decide he wanted to eventually destroy all mankind to go back to heaven while making Lilith not the scheming conniving bitch daughter of the Prime Evil of destruction.

>>719506064
the Worldstone was nerfing humanity, Inarius made sure of it the moment he realized what his children could do.

he went to it and made sure that all things born on sanctuary would get weaker and weaker each generation, its destruction got rid of this sort of reality clause.

and not "all" just random humans might become Nephilim, but as we see in Diablo 4, none ever did again.

and the Angels can absolutely die for good, they are just resonance, they are not Divine, they can easily be killed off, the Angel Council is just the Best Angels of their time.

>>719505417
> they have no idea why people like POE, and actively hate and fuck with their loyal fanbase in ways that I can only call overbearingly malicious.
> the sheer state of whatever it is you want to call POE2 is hilarious, like a grand fuck you joke.
Can you elaborate on these points, I’m curious about them as someone who hasn’t paid any attention to any of it until literally this PoE2 free weekend.

>>719505929
>all Anasteria
Kek. I feel like the Asterkarn redhead might end up being the most popular.

>>719505316
It's hidden in environmental details and some out of game exposition, but the creators themselves have strongly hinted at the world of Little Nightmares to be some kind of extraplanar battleground between several eldritch entities trying to reign supreme, and that the creatures inhabiting the world are just approximations of people that these entities have dreamt up based on the needs and wants of humanity.

If this is true, then just to exist in that world is already a losing hand.

>>719506204
the problem with POE2 is MOST things are tedious to use, the Combo abilities fucking suck and its too annoying to set them up because any plan you have is thrown out the window when 15 turbo-grannies are running at you every encounter.

>>719506290
Thanks, I thought D3 was retarded and still played through it but you just convinced me to never ever touch D4.

>>719506204
PoE 2 even more than PoE 1 suffers from toxic design. They are trying their best to take away any agency you as a player would have. Everything has to be random. Random effects from currency, random monsters in random maps. God forbid you can guarantee outcomes like in PoE 1.
Removed bench crafting
Removed vendor recipes
Removed map trading
Its like a war on good game design. Where choices matter, and not just how many times you pull the gambling lever.

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>>719506248
I'm pretty close to wrapping up Mushi Original Normal without much time invested, pretty beginner friendly game compared to, say, Arranged or Maniac BL.

>>719506118
never said not to play cave games
you're the one that said they take 200 hours to memorize
i thought this meant you didnt want to do that / it was a detraction.
in which case like.
"go play mars matrix" as the meme goes. but for real. gigawing.
Psikyo games.
Raizing. Taito. Konami. Irem.

Cave and Treasure aren't your only options is all i'm saying. So if you dont want "caveshit" ... have fun

>>719506290
LIlith has never, ever been scheming for Hell's sake, she has, since the moment she created humanity, been loyal to humanity and humanity alone.

what that MEANS is usually not the greatest thing ever, but its always been a truism of the character, she HATES the Prime Evils, and wants her children to win the Infinite COnflict, and if that means she has to make them super strong by juicing them up with demon and angel energies and magics, well that's what she's going to do.

and Inarius is also pretty true to his character, ever since he birthed humanity he has been a complete cunt fuck and wants to get back in the good graces of the Angels, they will never forgive him ever lol.

>>719506248
He has crippling autism and needs to constantly prove his alleged superiority to random people online. He also probably played Grim Dawn for a grand total of 8 hours, despite constantly camping these threads.

>>719506582
>BL
*1.5 I mean, thinking of a different mushi.

>>719506450
Might! Any is fine with me as funny as this is for something like GD lol. I simply find it interesting that it's Anasteria and for the life of me I don't understand where's that design from. There's like zero official material or something. Black Legion uniform but the rest ??

>>719506443
POE2 is, to put it bluntly, ARPG, Prepare to Die edition.

they thought a tough as nails ARPG would be cool, turns out, it isn't, when you can't balance classes or abilites or loot drop rates

if at any point in your POE2 run you have a dry spell of no new good weapons dropping, the game is essentially a fucking nightmare slog, and in some cases simply unplayable, you'll run out of health or mana pots before the boss is dead.

the answer? GGG's answer? just get Orbs to trade for weapons, lol.

>>719506582
>save file
>easy_pattern.webm

>>719506762
>tough as nails ARPG
the game is not hard
it's harder than every other arpg but it's like a 2/10 on the difficulty curve if you've played any real game (e.g. ninja gaiden, castlevania 3)

>>719484420
I love em, its nice that you have self contained scraps and multi part ones as well, where you are following in the footsteps of someone else as you are progressing trough areas.

>>719506573
For me the most significant red flag was restriction on what you can do with gems and on gem meta-effects like triggering. Shouldn't that be the #1 killer feature of PoE? And apparently it's on the chopping block now because they're really, really invested into forcing people into mmoshit rotations.
Retarded resentful faggots who made a hit game by accident and didn't like it.

>>719506290
Lilith is not a schemer in any regard, in that she is always loyal to Humanity alone, to an almost commendable degree, for a being that should by all rights, be made out of pure-evil-stuff.

Lilith is a testament to willpower, she overcame her nature as a being of evil and a scheming seductress to try and put her children first and foremost.

hence why her boss theme is the only melancholic one in the franchise

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-Bngjr1TDOM

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>>719506787
huh?

>>719506748
Probably just the artists waifu.

>>719506762
Somehow that's not particularly fun when the game just says you don't get to have fun because the random number generator decided to never drop an upgrade to continue to progress in the game. That's not "Dark Souls" difficulty. Even Fromsoft won't make you fight shit without having previously given you the materials to win or just fuck off to get some levels to try again later.

>>719506762
>they thought a tough as nails ARPG would be cool, turns out, it isn't
I swear to god, nearly every person I know likes long grinds in ARPGs. And I mean long ass grinding sessions. And you just can't have those be ballbusting difficult. You lose focus, you start dying, it becomes too stressful and tiring.
And PoE 2 is not even that difficult, its harder than most ARPGs, but its just the boring type of difficult. Where you will just turn into enemies that 1 tap you, while you barely shave off any of their HP if you did not get lucky and dropped a great weapon at the right time.

>>719505038
>because on your vacation you do something that basically condemns the whole world if you read shattered realm notes.
Could you elaborate?

>>719506857
its not hard, but its the hardest ARPG, i'm still correct in my framing.

a game you can't win isn't "hard", is my point, thats their design fuck up, if you have bad rolls, sometimes, you simply CANNOT win, because you will run out of resources.

by Maps this isn't an issue, its more a game where everything is touch of death, which is a new kind of problem, you aren't getting defenses to become a tank or w/e, you are getting defenses so you get 2 shot and not 1 shot.

>>719506946
That was lore they made in D4. D3s pickups from Reaper of Souls make it rather clear that she viewed humanity as another tool for her to usurp her father, who was a prime evil. It was her scheming with her demonic followers in Sanctuary and her human spawn that eventually caught the attention of both Heaven and Hell. Which lead to the dumbest agreement in history where both sides aren't to interfere with humanity...then the demons do it anyway and often and the Angels just don't give enough of a fuck to intervene as well.

>>719507012
Good point.
The design's consistent across all there is of her but it very well might be that others simply used exactly what was available first lol.

>>719506932
>Retarded resentful faggots who made a hit game by accident and didn't like it.
Not true, most of the core devs that made PoE 1 left already. What you are looking at is literally the history of Guild Wars. Where the OG devs slowly bled out and got replaced by devs who hated the original game. I think only Johnathan is left from the OG devs.

>dude lovecraft lmao lol go take the color out of innsmouth by defeating the call of cthullu before the dunwich horror leaves the mountain of madness dagon polaris arkham
>Yeah, there isn't really a story here, just dump all your skills points into your chosen skills left click attack augment and kill everything in the game in two hits, who gives a shit

>>719507067
its not difficult, its just annoying.

enemies aren't visually distinct, they run fast, effects happen when you can't see.. and alot of them two tap you.

ground effects shouldn't be that strong, its just retarded, your better off getting hit by "Big Guy swinging a branch" it will do less damage than the ground patch.

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>>719507220
>Guild Wars 2
Such a fall from grace...

>>719507154
its a good retcon, that while she schemed against angels and demons, she loved humanity.

if we didn't stop her in D4, she would have likely won the Eternal Conflict and saved humanity from the infinite tide of Demons, the cost is that humanity would become something quite a bit different in the process.

>>719507071
>Could you elaborate?
Shatter realm notes tldr is
>People exile the deity that was ruling the world
>Turns out the deity was keeping the void nigger away among other things
>The void nigger comes and eats the whole world

An this happens to be exactly what you just did, you decided to help 3 mystery cunts who don't give a fuck about you or anyone else to dispose of the last existing proper deity (who didn't really do anything wrong except getting fucked by them in the past, of course he's pissed off). You don't even need to wait till the void nigger comes, he's already almost there because some jokster decided to summon them some years ago.

>>719507332
>its not difficult, its just annoying.
Pretty much.
>Big Guy swinging a branch
You know what pisses me off about this. Their design is insane. Straight up insane.
They give players a dodge
There is also an evade stat
Some attacks were able to be dodged
Some you were able to evade
There were attacks that could hit you trough dodge and evade
Sometimes not evade... and there was little or no colour coding within those attacks. You just had to guess. They are legit throwing in mechanics as an afterthought and it fucks up the whole game.

>>719507386
its actually a good thing that anet leaves wvw alone desu

>>719507452
I don't believe she really "loved" humanity at all when her mere passing caused mass bouts of insanity and bloodshed. Her mere existence in Sanctuary is a walking apocalypse, so she needed to be stopped lest she destroy what was left of mankind.

>>719507386
When they started banning people from WvW because guilds started organizing GvG in there. Fucking GUILD WARS WITHOUT GvG. I heard they finally added it after years. God I fucking hate anet.

>>719507510
>he's already almost there because some jokster decided to summon them some years ago.
You also break the seal that was containing him because a sketchy merchant asked you to do it.

>>719506676
But anon, you're making these threads to try and scrape away some of PoE's playerbase, you're only making them for that specific purpose. There's nothing even remotely organic about these threads, all ARPG threads are unfortunately full of dishonest grifting. Its weird as hell to see people put some genuine 0/10 game on a pedestal. Every time theres a new PoE league all these gay astroturf threads pop up to orbit it, its pretty cringe.

>>719507550
just like Parry, just "some" attacks can be parried, which ones? try it out lol

>>719506261
Do you enjoy making shit up in your head to be mad about that much?

>>719507657
anet inadvertently solved that issue by adding edge of the mists. completely dead map for guilds to meet in.

>>719507621
she did, her blood just sets humans a frenzy, but she absolutely does love humanity and it allowed her to overcome her nature and "clan".

but yes she must be stopped, but don't discount the point of the character.

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>>719484187
I didn't care for the lore till the Forgotten God's expansion. Trying to bring back an evil god to solve their current situation was a neat setting. Also, that final boss fight was really neat.

>>719507892
He's free to disprove my assertion any time. I've been in this thread from the start. He won't because he can't.

>>719507719
All of /v/ is that now. No one can discuss anything without some brony suddenly remembering the shittiest game in that genre imaginable and then frantically bumping a general on it. Grim Dawn is just one of many symptoms.

>>719507719
You're a retarded cunt and/or a shill for GGG.

>>719506972
you're playing it in baby mode / toaplan mode

>>719482383
Doing different character builds.

>>719508074
Post 5 seconds of thrilling Grim Dawn gameplay. It ain't a real game dude. Its shit.

>>719507719
>>719508065
Are you replying to yourself again?

>>719508081
I'm playing it on the original release intended difficulty.

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>>719508156
Uh oh

>>719508145
Perhaps the same could be said of all ARPGs.

>>719507976
>an evil god
There's a fuckton of notes through the expansion describing how the land looked before he got fucked, and he didn't look particularly evil. He would just be incredibly pissed off after imprisonment.
Also the opposing side literally eats humans for breakfast or drives them insane all the time, so it is questionable who is more evil there. Player unconditionally helping them is a pretty weird decision.

>>719507719
>But anon, you're making these threads to try and scrape away some of PoE's playerbase
actual insane take lmao

Honestly, the biggest issue Grim Dawn has right now, that probably can't be fixed, is the fact that they announced the DLC.
I keep wanting to go back and play it, but I don't want to burn out by the time the DLC drops. So I just keep ignoring it.

>>719508317
No, he's right. Its the same every time any one discusses PoE. Someone franticly makes a bunch of threads on other shit games. So every time there's a new PoE league its an explosion of shit baby games.

>>719508317
Hardline Poetards are grasping at straws. PoE 2 had a free weekend for their beta and the player graph on steam is looking grim. They are barely getting the numbers from the previous league, and nowhere near what they had on the launch league. And that is going from paid access to free access.

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>>719508357
They keep drip feeding us content every other month. And while it looks good, devs are saying not to expect it till sometime in 2026.

>>719508040
So you really do get off on assuming shit that makes you feel bad then feeling bad about it
crazy miserable cunt

>>719508538
I do keep up with the grim misadventures, but just let me fucking play it. I bet zantai is enjoying this shit.

>>719508520
Bruh, PoE is not a good game any more. Grim Dawn is an even worse game. Eating an even bigger turd isn't an improvement. We got retards shilling Last Epoch now. If you're resorting to Grim Dawn, just drop the genre and play a real video game.

>>719508427
you might be an actual lunatic

>>719508357
but think how nice it's going to be when you do allow yourself to indulge once again.

>>719508145
To each their own, I guess. I feel poe 1 is one of the worst RPGs ever made. While part 2 is just "meh".
I enjoy grim dawn, though.

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>>719508598
If GD isn't a real video game then there are no real video games, period.

>>719508581
Why do you think assuming that stuff makes me feel bad? Still don't see you posting one character that's even max level for the base game lmao.

>>719508612
Its not a good look when you accuse other people of samefagging then very obviously insert yourself into reply chains like this. Getting triggered like some purple haired lesbian once you've run out of arguments and accusing everyone of being "insane" or "lunatics" is not a good look. Game just sucks dude, its clearly for people who don't wanna play games.

>>719508773
>if the game doesn't play itself and spoonfeed you progression, it's not a video game
Maybe you just don't like video games.

>>719508598
>Grim Dawn is an even worse game
Why?

>>719508773
The real video games are some autistic shit, or autistic shit but anime.

>>719508898
Fuck off, you stupid cunt.

I've never seen someone say Grim Dawn is their favorite game in a 3x3 thread or something and its never been in the top anything in any /v/ poll. Its really weird.

>>719507719
this is the quintessential poe faggot thought process

>you dont actually like other games, you just want to hurt poe!

holy fuck. dont worry 2 is so bad it will naturally bleed all of its players away.

>>719508907
it's not, but there aren't any €400 cosmetic mtx so it scares PoE trannies

>>719508782
get help buddy

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>>719508907
Really bad map design, it kind of reminds me of a korean MMO, with similarly obnoxiously bad quests. The talent system is awful at best and even the developers themselves have gone on the record of saying it was due to "limitations". (i dont know if the game is spaghetti coded or what) Itemization is dreadful to the point where as of last year they had to drastically tone down the loot pinatas and crank gear quality because it was too much garbage to sort through, but that doesn't change the fact that the itemization uses a really boring and poorly implemented affix system.

Most of the time you just really aren't thinking. The only time you have to pay attention at all is when you are vendoring loot. That's the whole game, just doing korean MMO quests and vendoring boring loot, and it never evolves. It's depressing.

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if poe is so good, why does grim yawn have better porn on r34?

>>719509154
GD's overworld is fantastic, you tasteless jerk.

>>719508953
I could care less about PoE. What I do care about is an even greater cancer than PoE arising to from its corpse. Go to rpg codex with this gay shit.

>>719509306
>I could care less about PoE
kek retard

>>719509306
You're a horrible liar.

>big lore discussion thread
>UHHHH I'M NEW TO 4CHAN AND I DON'T LIKE THIS GAME SO I SAID IT'S ORGANIC BECAUSE I SAID SO AND YOU NEED TO STOP TALKING ABOUT THIS GAME!!!!!
take your organic vegen homegrown ass back to whichever gay social media platform you came from

>>719509303
>GD's overworld is fantastic
It's literally
>kill 15 boar asses
>talk to the strudel thwomp NPC
And it even uses POI design like PoE map gen, but static, which is really retarded and odd for a primarily offline game. Like there's no interesting map design, its just like the maps you run over and over in PoE 2000 times with POI mini events dotted on them. I don't think any thought went into level design at all. No one remembers the story, as was said in this thread, so clearly people are not engaging with the world, same as any other ARPG.

>>719509442
>lore discussion
lol fuck off you cringe little kid

>>719509528
Stop projecting your issues onto everyone else, dickhead.

>>719509154
We both know you didn't play Grim Dawn for a conceivable amount of time, and can't post your playtime without getting ridiculed.

>>719509306
yeah right. the poe fanboys havent changed in 10 years. literally threatened by a single player game right now btw.

>>719509661
>conceivable amount of time
So I've played it for a theoretical amount of time? What amount of time is required to recognize grim dawn is shit? Will the dev pay me for suffering through it?

>>719509747
Suggestion: Kill yourself for free!

>>719509572
>I'M NEW TO 4CHAN AND I SAID CRINGE
>...OMG WHY IS HE STILL RESPONDING?
Stop shitting up the website, 14-25 year old newfag nigger bitch.

>>719509801
>my single player game gets good 3000 hours in bro

>>719509154
There's only one part of the game that has a shit map design but I sincerely doubt you played the game far enough to get there.

All roads lead back to Diablo 2 yet everyone taking the path manages to get lost.
Example, how many Diablo 2 enemies can you name? What Act are they from? There's a good chance you'd be able to name at least one from each act, there are fodder enemies then ones that mechanically distinguish themselves, either standing out with a unique ability or the ability to be annoying. Even the names aren't important. Just something like "lightning beetle" or "the skeleton head Ra thing in the tomb that shoots shadow balls or whatever at you" is enough.

Now how many enemies could you name from Grim Dawn? There's nothing that distinguishes them, they are all just punching bags until you get to a boss. You're not seeing an enemy and strategizing around it (strategizing is a strong word for an ARPG but still), it's either fodder or a boss, one dies quick, the other dies slow and does more damage. I'm never thinking "oh no, this is the Shambling Horror section" like I would with something like the D2 Act 2 Beetles or the Act 3 exploding Fetishes. You can put any name, any model onto an enemy in Grim Dawn and the only thing that matter is if it's melee or ranged.

>>719484187
Agreed, it's good.

>>719497584
>gods are irresponsible assholes.
The devs really like the idea of Greek gods, don't they?

>>719511208
>and the only thing that matter is if it's melee or ranged
As far as non-boss enemies as concerned, you need to watch out for reflective enemies and those who can shotgun you.

>>719511208
Nah Grim Dawn has a few memorable enemies, like those fuck ass "towers" that start walking after you do enough damage. And the early game soldiers can fuck you up with their charge stun. And the bugs that explode in a DoT that stacks.

>>719511208
>Now how many enemies could you name from Grim Dawn?
Warden Krieg
Mutants of various configurations
Swamp trolls
Cave trolls
Aetherial trolls
Aetherial corpse amalgamations including zombies
Sslyth
too many fucking spiders
Ghouls
Skeletons
Arkovian ghosts
That guy with the big sword at the bottom of the Steps of Torment
Cthonic Harbingers and other demons
Cthonic cultists
acid-blooded prawns
mosquito clouds
bandits
Darius Cronley
The Groble tribes
the bugs troubling Homestead
necromancers
Kymon's chosen
The Loghorrean

And that is just the base game's roster, off the top of my head.

>>719484187
My favorite part about the Aetherials is that some of them became so affected by the humans they possessed (and the game makes a special mention that the impulsive, scum of humanity tier human beings are much easier to possess than strong willed or well intentioned human beings), that they kind of stopped giving a fuck about their grand mission and just began to fuck shit up for fun. The invasion of Aetherials lost its bite and its punching power and stalled because their top generals all ended up possessing psychos whose minds imprinted on them and they just acted like psychos with great power would.

>>719511208
>Now how many enemies could you name from Grim Dawn?
>aetherial Zombie (Gas cloud on death, throws a fireball, pulses ice, really aggressive aether damage zombie, I think there's a pink vitality damage zombie, too)
>aetherial dogs
>Aetherial mutants w/ crystals that throws aether crystals
>Eyeball that shoots electricity
>Skeleton golems that cage you
>Faggy skeleton priests that heal the boss you're fighting to full
>Faggy goblin priests that heal the unique mob you're fighting to full
>pretty sure there's a wendigo cultist that also heals shit to full
>Obsidian golems that also cage you
>Big fucker aetherial hulks in Mulmoth that stun you on charge
>the big goblin fuckers that gutworm is based on
>Those plants in the ugden bog that spit out poison balls, and turn into viney plant mobs on death
>those fucking crawling ghouls that spread a contagious DoT that keeps jumping around on my minions!!!!
>those beetles filled with maggots that spawn a bunch on death
Then there's shit like the wendigos, tall ghost guys, snakes, bigfeets, all of cronley's goons, the big bugs in act 2, the cthonic demon fellas, the cthonic demon fellas with big jaws and little scythe arms (They are cute), pretty sure there are animated statues that turn into ghost statues on death and you need to kill them twice

thing is, once your build factors in defenses for these threats, they stop being an issue. i played diablo 2 as a dumbass kid, and i know you're talking about the lightning scarabs, and radamant, or whatever, but i'm sure if i played those games now, i'd properly build my character, factor in resistances and they wouldn't be nearly as memorable because i'm not some goober child running around with uncapped res

>>719512081
forgot the horde of aether-possessed mages.

>>719512281
GDs defenses practically rely on maxing the resistances and having a certain amount of additional resist over the max because a lot of enemies can lower your resistance...and then completely destroy your character. If GD has a big issue with it's moment to moment gameplay is that enemies can sometimes insta kill you and it won't be obvious what caused it.

>>719484187
They said they are also working on an RTS set in the same universe, so we might see where this all goes

>>719504023
It's a better and much more fun game than them?

>enter grim dawn thread
>same old retards screaming about poe, le, how arpg aren't games, how arpgs are all piss easy
Hilarious. Well at least some anons are having some nice lore discussions.

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>>719481487
the fleshworks is the most disgusting level in vidya imo. can't remember the last time a game shocked me like that.

>>719513569
Flesh building made of humans are not new but GD is notable for including pregnant women in it.

>>719513113
They're working on
>Fangs of Asterkarn
>Farthest Frontier
>that GD-related RTS
>survival horror game
Bonus mode
>engine for GD2

>>719513772
I wonder if they aren't over-reaching, but if Crate thinks they can do it- they should try.

>>719511208
I agree. The enemies do "stuff" but most of it is inconsequential, at least tactically. You need to have the right stats to tank all the different damage types, but once you have that and good damage there's not much practical difference in how you play against different enemies. But does there need to be? The gameplay is smooth enough and the real fun is in making builds, which GD is great for.

>>719513930
It's kind of discussed here
>https://forums.crateentertainment.com/t/fangs-of-asterkarn-development-update-june-2025/146114

Asterkarn looks amazing.
>ambush chests
>ascendant difficulty
>fatter totems with special loot
I'm hoping these combine to make overworld gameplay challenging/relevant. Currently it's mostly overshadowed by SR spam.

>>719512501
I consider resistance capping to be a fundamental of ARPGs at this point.
Prior to Path of Exile - which I dumped 10,000 hours into before moving on - I played Diablo 2 as a child, and fuckin' Baldur's Gate: Dark Alliance 2 on the ps2, but I never really grasped deeper mechanics of the genre, so I have many vivid memories of struggling. However, after being put through the ringer that was Path of Exile for many many leagues, I understand that how even +1% maximum resistance is incredibly important in damage mitigation, and defensive stats should not be neglected in lieu of offensive ones, as a child might opt to build.
I believe that if I were to return to the classics, and approach them with such a mindset, many enemies would no longer stand out, because I would have an actual character built up instead of my soulful-slopmancer that has a little bit of everything, and poor defenses.
See, something you struggle with will be more memorable than something you cleave through without a thought, and it ultimately depends on the quality of one's build, opposed to the quality of the game. Whenever a player's momentum is hindered by something (i.e: getting stunned, the boss suddenly healing to full, 'why the fuck do i keep getting this gay DoT?', or in the case of lightning scarabs getting nuked by sparks because you have shit lightning res), it is memorable.

As such, I believe the statement "Game X's mobs are more memorable than Game Y's mobs" is silly, because Game Y's mobs might have a recency bias for memorability, and Game X's mobs might be more memorable because you experienced getting your teeth kicked in 20 years ago because you had a shitty character, or maybe Game Y's mobs aren't as memorable, because you're a lot better at video games, and you're capable of crafting better characters.

>>719491314
>He either gets drained to level 1, completely ignored, or outright killed.
It might very well be set centuries later and deal with some other threat, like >>719490208 threatening the world (with cult of Chton once again trying to shit in everyone's soup).

GD is a bit more fair since at least you know you don't just need to reach Resistance Cap, but yeah also OVER-cap it to mitigate debuffs.

beats POE where sometimes enemies will just 1-shot you from beyond the edge of the screen because Chris Wilson thought it was funny to troll Hardcore League fags that way

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>base game is about aetherial invasion
>sudedn twist mid game and now you chase c'thonians
>you just learn about the cult's lore but not about c'thon
>first expac is fucking garbage (malmouth is literal cancer) and you don't see that girl from the loading screen
>you end up fighting a literal who as the final boss
>next expac makes you fight a semi literal who that is only mentioned in a sidequest from the base game
lore is cool but they deliver it in the worst way possible

>>719516037
>literal who that is only mentioned in a sidequest from the base game
He's literally the constellation at 12 o'clock.

>>719518916
99% sure that was only added in the same expansion.

>>719516037
it's not that bad, just stop being a nitpicking faggot

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I like playing kino dawn

>>719521113
do you look for the guy's sister?
do you kill the giant spider in the tunnels?
do you report back to ulgrim when you teleport out or after you've found homestead?
do you ever come back for the conflagration?

>>719513772
>>719513930
>>719514053
Even without looking at the post i know they probably can, Asterkarn and Farthest Frontier are nearing launch already, at this point Crate are serious game dev ogs, and even back then they already had the chops to make their own engine and tooling.

>>719521454
>do you look for the guy's sister?
I don't accept the quest but I usually find the body anyway while getting the shrine, then turn it in.
>do you kill the giant spider in the tunnels?
Ungoliax? I think she's in a nearby very similar cave. I often do kill her as she's near the shrine, and I like doing those quests and grabbing the shrines.
>do you report back to ulgrim when you teleport out or after you've found homestead?
After. It's rather an awkward sequence, but wcyd?
>do you ever come back for the conflagration?
I quite like the conflagaration, it's a neat area. Unfortunately there's no particularly good reason to farm it unless you want the MIs, but I sometimes do it for crystals if I don't feel like the lab backtrack run or valbury.

>>719521830
I guess it isn't a boss but IIRC a spider spawns when you find the girl's corpse. Or near it around that area. I know who you're talking about and you're right about it being in a different cave.

>>719521083
>j-just shut up
epic cringe

>>719522825
oh noooo im le epic cringe :(((((

>>719481487
All I got from it is that humanity is getting fucked by undead, demons AND aliens all the same time and it's your job to fuck back.

>>719524764
>and it's your job
At first it is, but after a while clearly you keep fucking back anytime and anywhere because you want to and not because you need to.

>>719522719
Ah yes, I do kill that thing. He helps remind me to click the corpse in fact.

>>719524878
The Taken has a full tank of fuck, and likely there's at least three groups of assholes to blast with it.

>>719524971
luckily*