>>719485842
Never, because it isn't.
2 > 1 > V3

>>719485969
This is correct

>>719485969
Holy trvke

>>719485969
>on the meat bone
>gravel swimsuit
>despair disease
>camera angle
>octagon
>AI junko
>hajime saying fuck hope and fuck despair just to pick hope anyway
>rebuttal showdown
>"improved" hangman's gambit
>panic talk action
on what front is 2 better than 1?

>>719485842
Miu, Sonia, Junko > rest

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hey hey

the best one is v3 and any other conclusion is admitting you got filtered

>>719487360
uh based

>>719485842
The truth is that
UDG > 2 > 1 > 3
But /v/ isn't ready to admit that.

>>719485842
Never because it isn't.
V3 > 2 > 1
At least the games are fun because of the mystery cases because the overall plot following the games is absolute garbage.

The best Danganronpa is Hundred Line

>>719485969
V3>1>2

>>>/vg/537390738

>>719485842
It wasn't. V3 is the best game.

>>719487580
>3
I can agree that anime was the worst.

>>719485842
I always considered it to be the best instalment. I would've preferred if the sequels were only structurally similar but otherwise didn't revolve around Junko being the mastermind or weren't directly connected to the previous games. Being able to explore the school in 3D was also really immersive.

>>719487307
2 has the best cast of characters.
1's characters are serviceable but hardly any of them are standouts and Makoto himself is an obnoxious protagonist.

>>719488617
Kys fireemblemshill

>>719488982
>>best cast of characters
>akane owari
>fuyuhiko kuzuryu
>hiyoko saionji
>mikan tsumiki
>nekomaru nidai
>teruteru hanamura
you can't be serious
>Makoto himself is an obnoxious protagonist
how can you say that when hajime finds something to bitch about every 4-5 lines or so?

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>>719487427

I wanna see someone do a full retake of DR1 and make it closer to whatever Distrust was going for. I think that'd be interesting

>>719485842
Right away.

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>>719485842
The complete opposite effect. DR1's by far the worst.
The whole thing felt like a proof of concept for DR2.

>>719488982
>Akane
>Kazuichi
>Sonia
>Hajime
>Hiyoko
>>>>best cast
The worst cast and Hajime is the worst protagonist.

>>719489291
>Akane
Meh, but not offensive
>Fuyuhiko
One of the best characters in the game
>Hiyoko
An aquired taste
>Mikan
She's ok
>Nekomaru
He's fun even if not that compelling
>Teruteru
He's really the only outright bad character but he's not even around for that long so who cares
Meanwhile DR1 saddles you with Yasuhiro for the entire game, and Hifumi's awful too, Toko's a one note character, Byakuya is more obnoxious than he is cool, Sakura's a bore, Leon and Sayaka are bad for obvious reasons, Kiyotaka's boring, Celeste is boring, Kirigiri takes until the end of the game to become interesting and even Aoi is only really tolerable because of the tits.
The thing carrying DR1 is moreso the mystery and atmosphere of the school rather than the characters and their interactions.
>how can you say that when hajime finds something to bitch about every 4-5 lines or so?
Hajime having a personality and an opinion of the things going on around him is actually a good thing you know

Somehow I'm not surprised that /v/ would hate SDR2 while nearly everyone outside of 4chan loves it and calls it their favorite danganronpa. Personally its my favorite solely for the cast alone but DR1 has a stronger impact overall.

>>719489960
>He's really the only outright bad character but he's not even around for that long so who cares
>meanwhile Nagito and Mikan

>>719490098
If you hate Nagito then I really question what you'd like about any Danganronpa character or story scenario.

>>719489960
Hajimeme is a weak sassy bitch without talent, so he's seething 24/7.

>>719490171
Teruteru wasn't bad even he's a killer and Mikan and Nagito were both the most precious Junko followers
They were evil

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>>719489291
Name a better character.

>>719490187
Yeah and considering the amount of bullshit that goes on in Danganronpa I actually do find a seething protagonist to make a lot of sense and to be very entertaining.

>>719490290
A character being evil does not make them a bad character.

>>719487740
I mean the soundtrack is just straight up danganronpa so not you're not wrong.

>>719485842
I like 2 more. Also I think 1 has a pretty unlikable cast.

>>719485842
When did you realize Danganronpa was never good

>>719490491
1's cast being unlikeable adds to the overall atmosphere of the game but yeah I agree that 2 is more fun moment to moment as a result of a more well rounded cast.

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>>719489960
>Hajime having a personality
His personality is being a dumb bitch.
>and an opinion of the things going on around him is actually a good thing you know

>>719489291
Insane comment to make when you can just take a quick look at the final cast of the first game and it has most of the worst characters make it to the end.

>>719490746
>most of the worst characters make it to the end.
that's every danganronpa game, the dumbest and most useless people are the most likely to survive

>>719490685
>character is down on his luck after hitting the second act low point
Wow anon, tell me more

Is V3 worth playing? I enjoyed the first two but wouldn't say that they were all time favorites of mine.

>>719490986
The cast is mostly fun but the ending kinda blows lmao.

>>719485842
>>719485969
2 has high highs but low lows.
1 = 2 > V3

>>719490896
Shout out to V3 for Shuichi carrying the entire cast on his back because all the good characters got killed.

>>719489960
>>Akane
>Meh, but not offensive
Are you actually retarded? Akane is a fucking blight on DR2.
>>Nekomaru
>He's fun even if not that compelling
Oh, you like the literal shit-themed character. Yeah, checks out.

>>719487307
all kino

>>719490986
If you just want more cases to play, sure. The first case is so good you could honestly just play that and drop it. Dont expect any improvements in overall characters and writing though. I'm glad I played through it, but it was definitely rough in spots and the finale is very questionable as usual.

>>719490907
>rich parents gave him money so his worthless son can attend to Hope's Peak Academy
>desperate incel agreed to Kamukura Project so he can have a talent
>down on his luck

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>>719485842
Dr1 has always been my favorite.
I think it has the best cast, the most interesting main plot (even if it falls apart at the end) and the best atmosphere.

>>719488982
>Makoto himself is an obnoxious protagonist
I was so pissed that he couldn't tell Kyoko what he saw between monokuma and Sakura. After all this bs about trusting people and wanting her to open up. Why even bother giving me a choice, you fucking game?

>>719485969
This
Nothing will ever top 2's last trial

>>719490986
It's more of the same. That could be good or bad depending on how much you enjoyed the rest of the franchise.

>>719490986
It's the best game, great female characters, good trials and plot overall. I like ending.

>>719491714
>2's last trial is so shit he forgot about it
I completely understand.

>>719490986
The ending is kinda dogshit.

>>719491986
Just like 1 and 2.
How people only complain about V3's ending and not the others I will never understand.

>>719485969
this. best protagonist, best setting, best psycho, best girl.

>2
>Shit cast
>Retarded idea of continuing the story

>>719491986
It always surprises me when people say this as though every single Danganronpa ending isn't dogshit. You should expect that going in after the first two games.

>>719490986
The ending is kinda kino. People got easily filtered by it.

>>719492042
I legitimately don't remember the endings of 1 and 2 desu.

>>719485842
I've never played any of those games

>>719491159
I'm still so mad they killed Ryoma so early :(

The second to last trial in 2 is the only one I remember from that game. That was pure fucking insanity.

>>719492139
>1 has you going through the entire school, even rooms previously locked all game long, discovering just how the killing game was set up in the first place but then throws it all away during the final trial with DUDE DESPAIR LMAO
>2 has you uhhhhh reading literal floating blocks of text as infodumps and reuses assets from 1 but ctrl+f+replaces 'hope' with 'FUTURE'
both pretty grim

>3
>V3
It's always 3 that ruins everything, huh?

The problem with Danganronpa is that the games stories to me mostly just feel like several hype moments + aura just crudely crammed together

>>719485842
the first game gets a lot of points for being unique and trying new things but almost everything about it is bad, it's a really interesting 5/10 at best

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I stood up and clapped.

>>719485842
When I was lobotomised and completely forgot about 2

>>719485842
When I finished the rest

>>719492327
I'll give V3 props for trying a different angle of having the characters say "fuck it we're not buying into any of your bullshit and will die instead" it would have been a better ending if they didn't live.

>>719491714
2's last trial is the worst one though

>>719485969
2 has the best individual mysteries, but is lacking in just about every other way.
The minigames are somehow mostly worse than the original, the cast is mostly very annoying with only a few standouts. The interconnecting plot is basically non-existent until it is all dumped at you at once in chapter 6.
The atmosphere is also lacking, the sense of tension and suspense is completely gone.

But, each murder mystery is really good. Except 2-3.

>>719488982
80% of 2's cast are just annoying. Like super played-up, cartoony versions of the already rather silly DR1 cast.
Some characters are cool like Nagito, Fuyuhiko, Gundham, and Chiaki. But then you have the least interesting characters in the series like Soda, the guy who kept talking about shit and then became a robot, the photographer lady, or Sonia.

>>719492453
Every game is the same, you have like 3 competent people that are actual characters and bring something to the table and the rest of the cast has just a single quirk that their personality is based upon, existing only to serve as le funny line dispensers.

>>719490986
I was in this position, I beat 1 and 2 and enjoyed them enough. Wouldn't consider myself a fanatic (this series seems to have a stranglehold on some people) but didn't regret spending the time to finish them either. I followed through and beat V3 and thought it was by far the best game in the series.

>>719493000
It always felt a little tonal-y confused I guess. I get you can't have the series be a non-stop depression fest but I've always felt like characters kinda get over deaths a bit too quickly most of the time. Also it gets strangely horny sometimes for a game about high schoolers killing each other and I don't like that

>>719492042
NYA, but I'm always surprised by people retelling of V3's ending and its consequences on the other game. Like it somehow ruined them. I've thought of V3 as sort of a separate universe from the rest of the franchise. Like, you've got the Danganronpa stuff going on and in V3's universe, it is considered as fictional and has been adapted into whatever's going on in V3. But, that's it. Like, I dunno why people are more pissed at V3 instead of 3 which did ruin every character in 2 (hmm, I wonder how those students felt into despair? Weeeelll brainwash, fuck it. You don't see them falling one by one for Junko's manipulation. Just watch a snuff film of one of you friends getting torture to death, that'll destroy you. Which also, why would you pick her in 2's simulation then? The one that indirectly caused them to fall into despair! Why the fuck do you think that was a good idea? And why would you design Monomi to look so close to monokuma? Don't you think that could trigger some bad memories and make them fall back into despair? Fuck I hate 3 so goddamn much)

>>719490986
V3 is miles above the others in every way if you aren't a retard
the only people who tend to dislike it are retarded psychotic "fans" of the first two games

>>719493301
V3's CGs are literal child scribble tier.

>>719489960
>Meanwhile DR1 saddles you with Yasuhiro for the entire game
Yasuhiro is hilarious, he has the best jokes in the game consistently. He also serves a mechanical purpose of being so fucking dumb that there is a reason for the characters to go over what has become very obvious in the murder mystery and thus actually most of the evidence the player gathers.
>Hifumi's awful, too
He also has some good jokes, and doesn't really show up that much anyway.
>Toko is one note
Yeah she is the only character from DR1 who didn't really feel developed yet. It took until UDG for her to reach her potential.
>Byakuya is obnoxious
Yeah that's what makes him both funny and a good rival.
>Sakura's a bore
Worst take I've heard.
>Leon and Sayaka are bad for obvious reasons
...What would those be? Both serve the plot very well and have depth despite their very limited screen time.
>Kiyotaka's boring
He's fucking hilarious, he's like the Gundham of the first game.
>Celeste is boring
Celeste is hot
>Kirigiri is only interesting at the end
Kyoko is also hot and pretty fun
>Aoi is only tolerable because of her tits
She's the emotional heart of the game. Most the time to sell the emotional weight of the events of the game, they use her. Solid character. And great anime tiddies.

>>719491714
This

>>719493301
>v3fags either didn't play or hated the rest of the series
thank you for putting it into words yourself

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>>719489960
Hajime is barely a character. He never talks until the ending, has no personality, and is basically a wet fart until they drop a foreshadow-less plot twist at the 11th hour.
Makoto is actually interesting because his unrelenting optimism and belief in the goodness of people, particularly his friends forms the thematic crux of the entire narrative, and separates him from just being a player stand-in.

People only like Hajime because they relate to his pathetic character arc of not having a personality and wanting to be special.

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>>719485969
Very based, very true

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>>719493367
>The perspective is unbelievably fucked
>The sizes are all over the place, Gonta is fucking massive compared to everyone else
>Tenko is missing a hand
>Rantaro and Angie's stupid ass poses
>Ryoma's everything
>They don't even look like they're belong with the background

Cinema, I'm afraid

>>719493574
Go back to watching Nagito edits on tiktok

>>719490986
Eh.
Not really.
It's horribly paced, being way too long. Like twenty hours longer than DR1 or 2, and the characters are all obnoxious and the setting isn't fun and the story's dumb as hell.

You can try watching somebody play through it until you find out if it's something you're interested in playing yourself or not even experiencing at all.
I've tried to watch a playthrough of it before, but I just couldn't bother even getting through to the first class trial.

>>719493860
>Kaito doesn't even have his goatee
>Kirumi's baby legs
fuck, the longer I look the worse it gets lmao

>>719493574
me when I lack theory of mind

>>719493279
A lot of people are sensitive to the concept of a series they like being 'metafiction' even though it really doesn't matter.
So what if in Danganronpa v3 the previous games are metafiction? Danganronpa 1, 2, UDG, and the anime still exist in the real world. Those stories are still their own thing.

>>719493643
>People only like Hajime because they relate to his pathetic character arc of not having a personality and wanting to be special.

I like Hajime because he is his own character. At the very least, in the last trial. The player of course would want to see the trial completed one way or the other, but during it Hajime doesn’t until he gets a dose of hope, he even says,”Hope, Despair, do whatever you want, it’s not my problem” along with other stuff about not being able to decide, which is far from what the average reader/player would want

>>719485842
Before I played V3. Then I actually played V3 this year after years of ignoring it and realized it was easily the best one.

>>719493643
Sonia had sex?

>>719494179
Not just this, because there's no more evidence to support "metafiction" than there is any other theory, "metafiction" could just be a lie, and there's multiple pieces of direct evidence for this, plus believing it requires you to take the biggest liar in the game at their word.

V3 haters just flat out can't even read.

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>>719494489
that's pretty funny

>>719494489
mistranslation on purpose by localizers

>>719485969
As someone who really only cares about the mysteries, I agree with this. But I can understand why some people would disagree. I think most people agree that it has the worst setting and the worst ending. It also arguably has the worst soundtrack.

>>719485969
No, if you disagree with this you are too stupid for Danganronpa:
V3 >>> UDG > 2 >> 1

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>>719492514

V3 could have been great had they not reused the same stale formula all over again. The whole religious sect stuff had a lot of potential but got nipped in the bud. The shitty meta ending blames fans for liking a formulaic series instead of blaming its own creators for being unable to improve and innovate the formula while keeping what the fans like.

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Too much is said about V3-6 being dogshit, but barely anyone talks about V3-5 being dogshit.
It's riddled with contrivances, asspulls and people acting out of character.

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>>719485842
No Chiaki, no buy.

>>719485969
FPBP.

>>719494386
V3 just takes place in a world where the Danganronpa series became so popular people started doing it in real life. (if we are to believe anything about that ending)
So it doesn't invalidate 1 and 2 at all, it's just set in a different world.

Also, since that game is all about exploring the themes of truth and lies, nothing in that game is for certain.
Everything was intentionally written to be questionable and maybe not true or maybe real, it's all a mess.

>>719495023
the only really bad thing is when kaito randomly calls it off for no reason, that makes the whole trial not make sense, it's loosely in character for him to do but the execution/explanation for what's happening is terrible

>>719494179
Yeah, the canon of the previous games still exists. V3 doesn't have any impact on it. It uses it to tell its story but that about it.
I guess people would have been less confused if it wasn't called Danganronpa, or seemed as a sequel to the other games.

>>719494568
It's pretty normal for a localization team to put in new jokes. Given that some existing jokes can't be translated and are thus removed.

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I just wish they'd make 4.

>>719493279
>>719494179
>>719494386
>>719495118
Faggots.
Firstly, how is the idea that a new piece of media could retroactively ruin old media at all surprising to you? This is an extremely common sentiment literally everywhere, it's hardly exclusive to danganronpa.
Secondly, obviously recontextualising a story as metafiction obviously changes how people understand it because there's now embedded author commentary about specifically what the internal fiction meant and how characters understand it. Even if V3 didn't make extremely blatant and heavy handed commentary about how the developers felt about the earlier games, their characters and their fans the existence of that commentary changes how they understand that.
Moreover, the existence of the game as metafiction in the first place inherently requires that people engage with the earlier games AS BEING FICTIONAL. If someone asked you while playing the earlier games if they're fiction you'd obviously say yes, but you don't process that on an intellectual level while actually playing the game. The existence of V3 changes that, and means that you can no longer play 1 & 2 without thinking of them both as a story and also as a fictional work with an author. Given that neither game was designed with that layer of commentary in mind, it's abjectly detrimental to the experience.

But, most importantly, I'm pissed off about is what that metafiction actually says about the series. Literally the only commentary that the metafiction exists to add to the series is:
>Look, these fans I drew on screen are literally you
>You're literally just murder hobos who want us to tell the same story again and again and we hate you
>We don't want to make any more danganronpa games because you always want them to end in the same way (despite the hope vs despair thing and the final trials being the most widely criticised part of 1 & 2)
>Look, we even made up 50 more fictional entries in this series to show you just how played out it is

>>719495459
Oh, and also V3 has the worst characters, the worst trials and the worst twists.
The internal justification for this is, again, that it's commentary on the series carrying on too long but that means fuck all when the actual minute to minute experience of playing the game sucks.
>Oh cool! You're just hiding my own character's actions from me now. You can just make whatever the fuck you want to up whenever you want to and I'm just here for the ride.

It's like they thought the entire game was just a competition between the devs and the players to see who's smarter and they're salty that they didn't constantly keep every single person who played the old games in the dark for every trial.
SEE SAW EFFECT
It's just so fucking spiteful. Genuinely awful. Miu isn't even hot

>>719495459
this guy got gaped by Kodaka

>>719495783
And yet Kodaka is begging people on Twitter and Bluesky to buy Hundred Line.

>>719495450
I just want a crossover with Zero Escape. I need the pure schizomaxxing.

>>719495783
I don't care about V3 or Kodaka half as much as I do about the dickriders who defend it.
I do want the 80 hours of my life I spent playing it back

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>>719495915
>I just want a crossover with Zero Escape.
um sir

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>>719495859
sorry bro he won

>>719495459
You're not the audience in V3 and Kodaka isn't Team Danganronpa. Wake up.

>>719485969

I've not played about these games in like five years, just going off my memories, my ranking was:

2 > V3 = 1

I like 2 the best overall.
V3 had the best gameplay and the ending is great but I didn't like the new artstyle and felt like 3-5 was a let-down compared to 1-5 and 2-5, which set my expectations high for fifth cases. V3 is also way too fucking long.
1 had the best setting, music, and visual design. I still think about how amazing the comic book artstyle is for the first Danganronpa game from time to time, there aren't many games that look like it yet it perfectly encapsulates the era it was made.

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When Krkr was in it (she won btw)

>>719496104
I know but it's not the same.

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>>719495758
>V3 has the worst characters, the worst trials and the worst twists.
You made a typo and meant best, not worst.

>>719495459
>you can no longer play 1 & 2 without thinking of them both as a story and also as a fictional work with an author.
You're literally autistic. Them being fictional within the continuity of V3 doesn't make them fictional within their own continuity, but people who throw bitchfits about V3's ending are all clinically retarded so your wall of text that amounts to "waaaah I don't like it" over and over isn't surprising. Your feelings got hurt and now you're being a little bitch about it. Spiteful my ass lmao

>>719495160
I think it would have been better if they addressed whether or not Shuichi and crew had to reach the correct answer or not right after it's shown that Monokuma didn't know who the culprit was rather than waiting until Shuichi solved the case to realize "wait maybe helping Monokuma out was a bad idea."

>>719485842
After I'd finished playing the other two.
DR2 had the best individual cases (especially 2-5) but I didn't like it as much in just about every other aspect.
V3 had... the best minigame gameplay, I guess? I also remember liking its protagonist the most, but other than that it was kind of a mess.

>>719495758
>SEE SAW EFFECT
More kino than SCHIZO and MEAT ON THE BONE together.
>Miu isn't even hot
Gay detected.

>>719485969
Fpbp

>>719496412
3's trial are boring as hell shit going for hours

ok
dg2 is best one
dg3 is nice one
dg1 is well, toleratable
rain code is dog shit

how is new game? no one saying anything good beside "i ve played it"

>>719495459
I am going to cause you to kill yourself
all the games are fictional and were before v3 ever released

Anyone in this thread played Danganronpa Another 1 and 2?

>>719495459
Kodaka says he didn't intend to provide any commentary on the real fans of Danganronpa at all with V3's ending, and that's very possible.
Kodaka is a shit writer in a lot of ways, and it's totally believable to me that he insulted his old audience and fanbase unintentionally.

I think the whole metafiction angle was just done to further explore the 'truth vs lies' theme.
It's done to say how the 'lie' of fiction can still have meaning and be real to people. The whole gameshow ending 'reveal' (it's left vague if that was real at all) is to do the final escalation of the core theme. The story of the game itself is diluted and made ultimately pointless, to say that the fact that the story exists alone is where it gets truth and value.
Though with how it's all phrased, it is impossible not to note a secondary element of Kodaka seemingly wanting to move on from Danganronpa and calling the whole concept ghoulish, really.

V3 is certainly the most thematically deep DR game, but that doesn't really help that game be any fun at all

>>719496471
>Them being fictional within the continuity of V3 doesn't make them fictional within their own continuity
Mother fucker if you're the faggot who talked about reading comprehension you need to stop breathing and start reading right now.
I'm saying even engaging with the idea of 1 & 2 as being fictional period - not even within the context of V3 - is toxic to the experience, as it is with most fiction.
Because of V3, that's now an unavoidable part of the experience

There is no way Sonia can be a used up whore... it cannot be...

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>>719485842
>/v/fags still mindbroken about V3 ending
Tsumugi won.

>>719496762
>thinking about fiction as fiction is "toxic to the experience"
lol
v3 ending haters not beating the cripplingly autistic allegations

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>>719496787

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>>719485842
Because it has the best porn. Also, every woman belongs to Chihiro.

>>719496869
what the fuck bros.... why....

>>719496869
i like to imagine she kept flipping all of them off when nobody was looking

>>719496762
DR1, DR2 and DR3 (anime) are Hope's Peak arc.
DRV3 is a different universe.

>>719496787
>you mean an attractive high school girl may have... had sex? Oh my Ghibli the world is le ending!1!!11

>>719496924
She is supposed to be a mythical disney princess, not a slut

>>719495459
I think I understand your point but I disagree. So what, if I create a story making whatever piece of media a media in my story, you can no longer take it as a story? Like if I'm referencing Alice in wonderland, and you've read it, you would have to think that Alice has to be a metafiction? You wouldn't be able to take it as a story? It's silly. That's not how it works. That doesn't suddenly make the story a metafiction because it has been referenced somewhere else. And there's tons of stories that have been referenced somewhere else. Moby dick, Don Quichotte, Superman and so on. That doesn't make their story suddenly metafiction. That doesn't mean you can't take their story seriously.

I remember finishing V3 and thinking "Wow, that was a really bold ending, I bet it'll be undercut by a sequel in a couple of years though".
That sequel never happened and I still admire Chunsoft for sticking to the artistic message left by the creator.

The fact that there are people who don't understand just how cool it is for an ending like this to exist in gaming because they feel insulted is embarassing.

>>719496667
Part of the problem is also just that all of the depth of V3 is straight robbed from Umineko, it's pretty obvious Kodaka played Umineko in the long gap between SDR2 and V3.

>>719496982
yeah but the creator is interested in making another one and it makes money so there will be a sequel eventually, probably a reboot of some kind

>>719496843
Anon, I genuinely don't understand how you're this autistic.
Imagine it's christmas, and stood in the corner of the room is some fat retard and every time you inadvertantly make eye contact he says "santa isn't real".
V3 is that fat retard.
It doesn't matter that I'm a human with a functional brain and could work that out on my own, the fact that he exists and I'm aware of his BO degrades the experience of christmas.
Even if he leaves the room I'm probably still going to be thinking about the stains on my toilet bowl when he's gone.

There are games, like Nier: Automata, which have metacommentary which improves the experience of the game. They're deliberately crafted so that engaging with them as fiction and engaging with them as metafiction are both valid and rewarding levels of experience and so switching between the two (often deliberately) is smooth and seamless. At times the game even deliberately provokes you into moving between the two.
Danganronpa 1 & 2 were not designed to be understood in the way that V3 presents them, and that level of analysis makes the game worse. That's my criticism

>>719496982
Unfortunately, in a world where people define a core part of their identity as fans of things, there will always be individuals lashing out pathetically at any perceived slight against their favorite games/anime/whatever. Even if it's coming from the very creator of the thing that they claim to adore.
Very sad. Very odd.

>>719496869
>"You... sure did."
That line always cracks me up every time this image is posted

>>719496982
It's the exact same meta ending that we've seen every fucking where for decades, including in games. Meta endings aren't even good, the only thing they possess (or rather used to possess) is the shock value and they lost that around the time every faggot writer started writing at least one story with a meta ending.

>>719497098
>Kodaka will definitely make another one
>Raincode
>now Kodaka will literally make another Danganronpa
>Hundred Line
>I can tell you guys Kodaka is going to make Danganronpa
>Shuten Order

Shut the fuck up.

>>719496667
>Kodaka says he didn't intend to provide any commentary on the real fans of Danganronpa at all with V3's ending, and that's very possible.
I don't really understand how he could explicitly include danganronpa as a series and not expect that danganronpa fans would see it as an allegory for the danganronpa series.
Especially when your entire point is "let's end danganronpa"

>>719497154
>types up another wall of text of "i don't liiiike it"
ok dude. pff

>>719497208
two more weeks

>>719497161
It takes a lot to leave Byakuya speechless considering the shit he went through.

>>719497243
SURE, TWO MORE WEEKS AND IT WILL NOT BE DANGANRONPA. JUST GIVE UP ALREADY. YOU'RE ALL ANNOYING.

>>719496982
>Game 3 of a hot series says with it's ending that the entire series is dumb, cruel, and lame and that people should move on
>Series actually fucking ends
It is pretty crazy that it has worked out like that so far.

>>719497154
you must be extremely confused when every culprit in every mystery lies about their crimes
do you just think every mystery is dogshit because what the culprit said and what the mystery says happened are inconsistent?

>>719497163
Anon, when's the last time you've seen a game end with "This is the end of the series, because in-universe, the heroes of the story would rather die than continue serving as actors for an immoral medium of entertainment"?
It's the best Truman Show adaptation in gaming purely because it's the ONLY Truman Show adaptation that actually goes all the way.
Again, where else in gaming has this been done to this extreme extent?

danganronpa 17 was the best one

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>>719497252
Thats why I find it hilarious although I suspect Byakuya is a bit freakier than he lets on given the DR1 alternate ending and some of his bizarre personal habits we see from his social link

>>719497157
>if people dont like X(which i coincidentally happen to like) then it must be because they are [insert a fucking parade of personal insults]
Glad we have clear minds like you posting here.

>>719497213
I mean Kodaka does make some absolutely bizarre writing decisions though.
Like he enjoys pure evil villains, which is fair. So do I.
But then he decides to make the villain of his, up-to-that-point logic-driven murder mystery game a pure evil villain who destroys the world with no explanation or given reason.
Like what the fuck.

Pure evil villains work great in stories about a person or group overcoming a huge threat, as becoming better people as they grow.
Not in a fucking mystery story where repeatedly you need to figure out both how and why otherwise normal people commit a terrible action.

The thematic-dissonance is so fucking huge it's mindboggling higher-ups didn't force him to rewrite the script.

>>719497563
i will say as much as i dont like v3's ending the thing with the games name was pretty clever i'll give them that

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>>719497563
Yes.

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>>719497585
You seem angry.

>>719496982
There's a new game in the works and we know this because of NVIDIA leaks but yeah, it was really admirable while it lasted.

>>719496978
>So what, if I create a story making whatever piece of media a media in my story, you can no longer take it as a story?
To some extent it's not fully rational, but I think authorial ownership is an important part of the story.
As an example, anyone could go back and make a new prequel or sequel trilogy for star wars, but most people agree that the rights holder owns the canon and that's the way that the story is intrinsically understood. In some ways, it's the most valid way of understanding the story.
Alongside that V3 as metafction doesn't just say that 1 & 2 are fiction, it says that they form a fictional structure within the wider narrative of danganronpa. V3 is genuinely a continuation of them, and future stories in the setting either have to implicitly decanonise V3 or conform to V3.

The first part is really the most important thing for me, though. It's why I'd listen to a director's commentary but not some rando's commentary over a movie I liked

>>719485842
when the 2nd is just a carbon copy of the original
2nd lost that atmosphere of being trapped inside a building not knowing if your classmates will kill you. also gave away more info of the outside world sorta lost the mystique. why the fuck didn't the author switch up the killing game? why is there no branching paths?
having 'le matrix' twist was the stupidest shit they could ever done because now every sequel from then on is suspect. thanks anime for showing us that every death in 2 was fucking meaningless.

>>719497829
2 has better cases and characters

>>719497878
>cases
case
>characters
akane, souda, and sonia are all survivors

>>719497829
This. The first one has the best A T M O S P H E R E.

>>719497829
Didn't everyone who died in DR2 die IRL too? Wasn't that the entire inner conflict of the final chapter? It's been too long, I can't remember.

>>719497943
I think all of the cases in 2 are great except 2-3 which is a little too obvious

>>719497748
How is this determined?

>>719497953
Yet it still fails because everyone is a huge piece of shit, there are only 1.5 decent characters.

>>719497418
Imagine a murder mystery, but halfway through the detective realises he's in a fictional story and so proceeds to only engage with the story as fiction.
He thinks back to all of the named characters he can remember, because he knows the culprit has to be amongst them
He starts brazenly killing suspects, because he knows he's the PoV character and so won't be punished for doing so
He stops looking for evidence, because he knows he'll already have all the evidence he needs when he finds the last piece.
He starts deliberately going on excessively long rambles to burn the page count and reach the ending sooner

Does the second half of the novel enrich the first? Does it say something deep or interesting about murder mysteries?

>>719497980
everyone lived besides chiaki

Post tunes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gCp4bCD65Z0

>>719497980
They're in a coma and the story basically guarantees they'll recover.

>>719497649
>But then he decides to make the villain of his, up-to-that-point logic-driven murder mystery game a pure evil villain who destroys the world with no explanation or given reason.
Yeah, in retrospect that's kind of dumb

>>719498068
That actually sounds like a pretty interesting story.
I'd read that.

>>719498068
This sounds great, yeah. Would read.

>>719498043
my brother from another mother. every single character in the franchise is one note. stop with the "it has better characters". lol

>>719498042
Their distinctive aura. Male intuition, you might say.

>>719498068
Cool hypotheticals, next time try to make them related to the topic at hand though?

>>719496882
Every woman? Even his own Mom?

>>719498068
not only does that sound like it could easily be written to rule but none of that remotely happens in V3
in order to even believe 1-2 are fictional and V3 is now metafiction you have to take the culprit entirely at their word, and multiple pieces of evidence directly contradict their claims

>>719498215
>>719498224
try Umineko

>>719498016
The chapter 3 culprit being obvious is an unfortunate flaw of the series.
>Hmm yes I will try to orchestrate a double murder by relying on the biggest idiot in the group as bait and the third biggest idiot as an accomplice while also making all of the evidence framing the biggest idiot reliant on my testimony
>Hmm yes I will kill the easiest person to kill by making it look like they committed suicide, whoops hi person I hate with every fiber of my being, I will also tamper with things that could affect an autopsy despite being the only person here who would know what could impede one
>Hmm yes I will now suggest to summon the ghost of the murdered to pinpoint the culprit, not because I want to help investigate but because I really want to show off my cool murder trick

>>719485842
From the start.
Atmosphere is king in videogames and Danganronpa 1 is the only Danganronpa that has ANY atmosphere whatsoever.
I remember beating Danganronpa 1 in two sittings like a decade ago back in the days where the only way to play it was with the fan translation where Byakuya was a jew. I was 100% spoiler free, exploring through Despair Academy fully immersed in the game. It's a feeling no game has ever replicated for me since, and I play literally every mystery game that releases.
It certainly helps that Danganronpa 1 is by far the most grounded one, a remnant of the days where it was still distrust. The other Danganronpas (especially Danganronpa 2 and Ultra Despair Girls) are balls to the wall retarded from minute 1, while Danganronpa 1 ramps up to it.
There's many reasons why I prefer the first Danganronpa over the others, but the atmosphere, music, tone and the cohesiveness of the cast are probably the main ones.

>>719498317
yeah the third case always kinda sucks

>>719498068
I don't know how to tell you that anyone who doesn't have autism doesn't struggle with this in the slightest.

>>719498383
Once again, V3 is the best. The third case in V3 gets rid of the two most annoying characters.

>>719498427
I don’t recall Kaito dying in the third case

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>>719497980
>if i choose this they're all dead but if i choose that junko will populate the world through puppets
they all lived and reverted pre despair thanks to the anime.


LOL

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>>719498270
Of course, she has no art though.

>>719498489
DR3 isn't canon.

>>719498538
cope harder

>>719492042
I liked Danganronpa 1's ending and never understood why it's lumped in with V3's disaster and DR2's giantess Junko cringefest.
Imo it gets an unfair rep.

>>719498427
Loved that case but I wish they would have gone with having two murderers and one of them getting scot free for that chapter at least.

>>719485842
>we want the undertale audience
These games are total shit. So is Catherine for that matter.

>hurrr those games are all unrelated
Same audience: cutters and troons, but I repeat myself.

>>719498074
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkEMJR5kfsg
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HK4Mi2XpXo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inIN_YZct6E
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXBnxKMHk_w

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>>719497953
YOU TELL EM BROTHER

>>719498498
She has some content on rule34, not exactly the best but it is there

>>719498601
people really hate the handwaving of the tragedy/memory loss
also the fact that anyone even briefly considers siding with junko is an insane contrivance, they should really just beat her to death the second they see her at that point

it's also retardedly long and repeats itself over and over, but every game has that issue to a varying degree

>>719498350
Dr1 being comparatively grounded really helps it.
It makes you actually care about the characters and want them to escape, since you can understand that these are (more or less) regular kids. Hell, plenty of them are based off of stereotypes the player may be familiar with from high school.

Come V3 the characters are so outlandish and unbelievable as teenagers that you don't really give a shit when any of them die.
Like when Leon gets executed in the first game you're like 'oh shit, he was just some kid who wanted to go home' whereas by V3 you're like 'Oh so this maid woman was also the fucking prime minister of Japan. What?' and then you feel nothing when she gets executed. Outside of grossed out by the way too intense execution.

>>719498427
You meant 4th case.

>>719498612
This is the problem with V3. Instead of trying something new you play it safe with the same format as the previous games.
“But it’s formulaic on purpose! To prove a point!” The ending does not excuse this

>>719498215
>>719498224
this is literally umineko

>>719498776
I agree with your analysis and i do think 1 is the best for this reason but where i split is that i dont actually think this makes v3 worse because it makes a lot of sense with full story context
I mean think about it, you cant carry 53 seasons of television with the same stereotypes and simplicity, you have to ramp up in complexity otherwise you lose ratings and interest
So its actually more surprising in a way that the v3 cast arent more nuts, they are still kinda normal by this metric

Honestly, they should've left JUNKo alive if they really wanted continuation of the story and more hope/despair tism

>>719498285
As I've already explained multiple times, it doesn't matter whether Tsumugi is telling the truth or not
What matters is that the idea exists within the setting, for reasons I've already explained

>>719498601
People don't understand that DR1 is just a massive metaphor for how the outside world is scary but you can't keep yourself in a high school shounen fantasy forever. Just look at the victims.
>baseball guy with delusions of glory
>idol desperate to retain fame
>chihiro
>biker guy running away from having killed his brother
>guy emulating the last guy by going super saiyan
>otaku
>lolita girl
>walking FotNS reference
All the "out there" characters. But also it is insanely silly that nobody noticed they were 2 years older other than Sakura and Kirigiri.

>>719498878
Umineko is way too fucking long but it genuinely is the best thing I have ever read.
>inb4 some whiny /v/tard says "read moar books"
I've read hundreds of books and at least one hundred visual novels, Umineko is the best.
So if you can stomach the pacing it's awesome and I'd recommend it to everyone ITT.

>>719498601
The memory loss thing was a terrible twist since it is just completely unbelievable that no one would notice they look different after two whole years. Teenage years to boot.
And then Junko's whole thing contradicts everything the game had set up before. As a murder mystery game Danganronpa focuses on how these people, mostly good people, commit a terrible act and why.
But the ending is about this woman who ends the entire world with no explanation as to how, and no real motivation either.

It makes all of the investigating and intrigue about the overarching plot pointless when the actual answer just doesn't follow the rules of anything else set up in the game.

>>719498617
>we want the undertale audience
Nigga 1 and 2 both came out years before Undertale.

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>>719498427
>Cuckichi and Himiko still alive
uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh?

>>719499053
>completely unbelievable that no one would notice they look different after two whole years. Teenage years to boot.
That's a bit of a reach. From 15 > 17 I looked 99.99% identical, most people do. That didn't break my suspension of disbelief at all.
You'd fucking despise Virtue's Last Reward lol

>>719499038
i have no idea how ive never noticed this before

>>719499050
>I've read hundreds of books
The books:
>harry potter
>percy jackson
>the hunger games
>50 shades of grey
>twilight
>why men love bitches
>diary of a wimpy kid
>middlemarch

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>>719498074
https://youtu.be/QlP9vcvhSs0?

>>719499342
I should have known I'd get a comment like this. I've read Harry Potter, none of the others you've listed. I actually concern myself mostly with Germanic literature. Nice try though!

>>719499217
V3 has the best survivors from all games. Shuichi, Himiko and Maki are great.

>>719499236
Maybe one person not understanding it, sure.
But you're telling me nobody changed their hairstyle?
Nobody gained or lost a significant amount of weight?
None of the characters who didn't really hit puberty yet did?
The world also fucking ended, you'd think that would really accelerate their aging with the stress alone.

>>719499510
>Himiko
Also I retroactively hate maki because of Kaito

>>719499532
Himiko is the best girl.

Is it worth replaying the games in JP?

>>719499050
It's great aside episode 8 and 7.

>>719489960
Based as absolute fuck and factual

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>pick up DR1 for the vita
>no clue wtf i'm getting into
>engrossed in the story
>had so much fun that i excuse the bullshit on count of anime
>dr2 came out
>the only time i had fun was discussing it with /v/
what a fucking shame. its just dr1 with a different flavor.

Also to everymother fucker who believe the 5th person is mikan. you're fucking stupid

>everyone alive accounted in the picture
>"NO NO NO NO it's mikan who tried to have children with junko, not hajime!"
fucking retard. that bald fuck looks like he is fucking something or someone with a penis. not a woman inserting a god damn womb.

>>719499579
The saddest thing is in V3 you might not even be wrong

>>719498703
I've always had a soft spot for this artstyle. Something about it tickles my brain

>>719489960
Hagakure is a litmus test.
To me he is by far the funniest comic relief character in the entire franchise, but he is really intensely disliked by Westerners.

>>719499050
Nah its not that good lol its very confusing and boring with all the magic battles but it shares something else in common with danganronpa 1, which is that the art and sound design is off the charts amazing
So fucking atmospheric
You gotta play with the original photographic backgrounds and OST though, hate the generic anime art of the console versions

>>719499624
>Some even tried to have children with Junko's dead body...
What dead body? She got completely flattened.

>>719499050
>too fucking long
i don't mind if its long as long as its engaging. i tried reading ever17... and my god it was such a fucking slog in the beginning

>>719499532
You don’t like Kaito’s girlfriend? C’mon Kaito is the perfect little golden retriever do no wrong hero? You’re his little disciple bro

>>719499510
DR1 has the best surviving cast of all of them.
You have the core three of Byakuya, Makoto, and Kyoko.
Aoi is a compelling straight woman of the group, Toko is weird and interesting, and Yasuhiro is the funniest character in the series.

>>719485842
from day 1
dr1 has one blip in quality, chapter 3. outside of that, i adore the game totally.
sdr2 is a fucking rollercoaster ride in terms of quality. chapter 2 and 3 are GODAWFUL and chapter 6 also sucks. when half your game sucks, thats a problem.
v3 is just mid until the end which is shambolic. they probably consumed a lot of shrooms making that game, galo sengen style.

>>719499664
For me, it's the really dark crushing black outlines on all the character sprites, and the deep black environmental shadows in the 3D explorable areas that juxtapose the surprising color.
It gives the game a very oppressive ambience with combined with the music.

>>719499740
you would think that but komeada having her hand and that mafia dude having her eye. some of her body was intact.

>>719499841
Kaito is a giant fag, who makes everyone he interacts with gayer by association

>>719491601
What the hell kind of argument is this?
He doesn't know any of that, how would it make him feel better?

>>719499856
>Toko
>Hagakure
>best

>>719499934
The writers forgot, oopsie

>>719499969
yep lol

The only meaningful qualifier for best Danganronpa is which one created the best memes
V3 wins for that alone

>>719499669
I fucking love that his retarded tangent about a UFO abducting his hamburger not only has a fully unique, dedicated CG but also a special musical sting used only once.

Danganronpa 1 is actually a really funny game.
In many ways it's almost more of a comedy game than a thriller of any kind.

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>>719485842
I can fix her fr fr

>>719499992
Trash taste.

I love Makoto!

>>719500054
you dont have to sign off with your nickname

>>719498703
2tards will look at this and still argue that 2 has better atmosphere.

>>719498969
it doesn't in that way, though, because everything takes place within the 'fictionalized' world of DRV3, which is itself also fiction
there's also good evidence that the 'fictionalization' is an outright lie, so this is still just you being unable to read or parse logic

p -> q ≠ ~q -> p
it's
~q -> ~p

specifically
evidence for something suggests its truth
if something is false ≠ evidence for truth
a lack of evidence only demonstrates it wasn't proven true

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>>719485842
It's not, because the best boy isn't here.

>>719499323
People say that the DR1 survivors are boring but that's really only in comparison to the wacky characters who died first, to me they're the ones who are closest to being fleshed out human beings. The only really crazy ones are the teen detective and serial killer, but the Toko half of the Toko/Genocider split is still very human and cringingly real. Byakuya might also seem unrealistic at first since the game is playing with these larger than life tropes on purpose, until you realize he's just a richfag who talks a big game but can't back it up. Rationally, an intelligent character would realize that this killing game shit is retarded and rigged and wouldn't participate.

>>719499050
I don't usually recommend people Umi because it still takes a particular kind of person to finish and appreciate it. Everyone who is meant to read it will find it.

>>719499624
hajime no longer existed at this point in time RETARD

>>719498776
Agreed.
I think a big part of it is that Monokuma in DR1 actually has limits, like the thing where the mastermind can't watch the cameras and pilot Monokuma at the same time. The characters have real opportunities to work against him, and actively try to make use of those opportunities instead of just sitting around twiddling their thumbs until a murder happens
There's an actual mystery in figuring out how the killing game works behind the scenes and how Monokuma does the things he does, and there are also satisfying answers because the killing game is "really happening" in a grounded setting—unlike the later games, where the killing game is a simulation and Monokuma can pretty much just do whatever the fuck he wants without restriction

>>719499624
It's a mistranslation, anything weird you can just assume is a mistranslation almost always. Mikan tried to implant herself with Junko's womb so that she could have "Junko's child".

>>719500134
Faggot holy fuck read what I wrote.
The fact that tsumugi even engages with the idea of characters in 1 & 2 as fictional, and the fans within the setting as being fans of "danganronpa" is what matters
She could be lying about everything, the concept is what's important

>>719500302
>Monokuma in DR1
Oh yeah another part where Danganronpa 1 is better than the others.
Monokuma in DR1 is legitimately a threat, but still somewhat operates inside the boundaries of the game. Then in DR2 he splits attention with Monomi and while he's still funny, he gets upstaged hard by Nagito.
Come V3 and Monokuma is just total dogshit. As is usual, V3 gives an in-universe explanation for it, but that doesn't make him magically entertaining. Also losing the Doraemon voice hurt the character a lot.

Toko is a stinky fujo.

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Danganfags got it easy compared to the zero escapefags. I feel like all the DR entries were more or less similar in quality, but Zero Escape got dicked hard. I don't think a single person liked ZTD

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>>719500167
>loser that fucked up everything without achieving his goal
>best boy
lol, lmao even.

>>719500503
Isn't it great?

>>719500318
Whats the accurate TL. where does it say that mikan implanted herself with junko's womb?

>>719500173
I really like how DR1's cast, despite being pretty simple in comparison to the outlandish or cartoony characters of V3 and 2, are almost all pretty well-rounded and fleshed out characters.

Like even someone like Kyoko, who seems at first a pretty unrealistic and simple trope of a cold Sherlock-esque detective, gets more or less fleshed out.
She's had a hard life and a estranged relationship with her family which makes her very unwilling to open herself to anyone else at all. But once she meets Makoto, a purely well-intentioned dude who'd never hurt a fly, she starts to open up.
But when Makoto breaks her trust, the real first trusting relationship she's had, she's pretty dejected.

It's nothing much, but you do get this idea of a complete picture of a person.
The same goes for most of the characters. Even some more comedic ones like Aoi or Yasuhiro

>>719500503
She isn't a fujo, she is a self-insert straight romance writer.
Unless there's some line in UDG that I missed.

>>719491764
>great female characters
>Angie
Come on.

>>719485842
From the start.
Now realizing that Danganronpa 2 is the worst Danganronpa, that took some time. Nowadays I think 1>>V3=>2.

>>719500465
>monokuma only executes ONE character across the entire series for breaking the rules and it's his collaborator
>makes such an impact that Sakura kills herself later, not just to atone, but because she accepts she's a dead woman walking after breaking the lock to the principal's office
>this is a crucial step to getting enough intel to stop the killing game and cements the group coming together so hard that Junko needs to cheat in chapter 5
We could've had this with Nidai but he just had to come back as a robot.

>>719500821
>not a fujo
she sure fantasize in fujo art

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series shitflinging aside, can we all agree that he is the best character who had the best case in the series by far?

>>719500434
I did read what you wrote, that is just flat out not how thinking works though, so you're explaining yourself incorrectly
it is impossible for that to be your issue, because if it was then you wouldn't be able to think at all

>>719500847
The fake-out Nidai kill is so unbelievably retarded and it doesn't get mentioned often enough. That's definitely the one moment where you can tell that the writer's room completely changed the structure of the story close to release and they didn't manage to iron out the kinks.

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>>719500732
Eh, I'm going to (cont) because I want to.

Aoi seems like a generic bubbly ditz at first, but she has some of the most human moments of the game.
The whole events of the game's plot are hardest felt by her, she freaks out and cries herself to sleep over the stress, she wishes she could go back swimming.
She has plenty of insecurities over her not being the most lady-like young woman and not having a lot of experience with love despite her good looks.

When her friend, her anchor that keeps her together through the killing game dies, she lashes out and tries to doom everyone. Not being able to live with it anymore.
But with the help of Makoto and the true last words of her friend Sakura she powers through and helps her friends escape Hope's Peak.

It's pretty elegant really. It's a simple character, but fleshed out. The minimalism in how the game turns her into a believable person is pretty impressive.

>>719500865
She's just a husbandofag yume. To women, the fujo art style is normal and attractive.

>>719485842
I always favored it because it has the best atmosphere and feels more grounded than the sequels.

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>>719497548
>Danganronpa 17
>not Danganronpa 28 where the Ultimate Clown offed half the class before the first trial
>not Danganronpa 12 where the gimmick was the ghost of
Junko would randomly possess one of the students every three days
>Not Danganronpa 33 where two quadruple murders happened at the same time
>Not Danganronpa 49 where the Ultimate Prostitute gave Monokuma a bj

The only good parts of 17 were the second trial with the skinning rack disguised as a vending machine and the fifth trial where the Ultimate Pirate briefly hijacked the game by taking the mastermind hostage. Rest of it is mid as fuck.

I liked robot Nidai

>>719501027
I genuinely have no idea what you could possibly mean by this

>>719501043
I love how in case 4 of DR2 Nekomaru lays out in great detail these really dumb arbitrary powers and weaknesses his robot form has.
The only possible plot reason for them being there is if he's the immediate victim, and then he is.

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>>719501026
He truly is one of a kind. His entire murder and the case about it is pure and unfiltered kino.

>>719501175
Fuck off you little bitch or I'll turn back time again and give you another NVKE
Also stay the fuck out from under my bed, especially when I invite Nozomi into my room

By far the worst thing about V3 is that V3 is 8 and not 53

>>719501175
was it autism?

>>719501110
very based post. 1-4 is one of the few trials in DR that managed to make me feel something, alongside clair de lune in 3-6

>Speaking of which, dismemberment murders are difficult to handle in games to begin with. I wanted to do a dismemberment murder in " Super Danganronpa 2: Goodbye Despair Academy " as well, but I couldn't, so I made the victim a robot.
So yeah Nekomaru was made a robot because Kodaka cant write.

>>719501026
Yeah. Making a murder mystery that relies on being lucky is crazy.

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>>719501314

>>719501286
>I CAN DISPENSE COLA GUYS
>huh? starvation motive? no, I'm not gonna bring this up again

>>719499050
This but Higurashi
Well, Higurashi chapters 1-6

Why did Lyoko assume framking Makoto would work in their favor. Yes, she caught on that the mastermind was laying a trap, but she knew that Makoto wasn't the killer. The mastermind could've easily said it was the wrong answer and then kill all of them.

Worst thing about V3 is not the ending, it's everything that leads up to the ending. The overarching story is irredeemable putrid shit, Flashback Lights and associated CGs are some of the worst in the series and I do not give a fuck that it's supposed to be shit on purpose. Great, you tricked me into eating shit for 5 chapters. It's still shit. Kodaka you fucking hack.

>>719501582
3-5 is just pathetic compared to Hopeman's wild ride.

>>719501317
I think if they called it L3 it would've been too obvious

>>719501406
Definitely one of the weirder parts of the franchise as a whole. You have all this potential for wacky murders with the superhuman talents and then nothing of it gets explored save for Leon in DR1 and Komaeda in DR2, the culprits all just murder in rather generic wise (for mystery standards).
Obviously the in-universe explanation is that they dont want to commit the murder with their unique talents because it'd link back to them, but the idea of "Ultimate" talents is still criminally underexplored in the games.

>>719501475
it's just an one piece reference, retardbro

>>719501643
Based
I wish more of the cases incorporated the talents into the murders in a more organic way
The only times I remember this happening cleverly were 1-1 and 2-5

>>719501643
I was mostly talking about meteorites, space AIDS and the academy being a spaceship. But yeah, the cases are not super exciting compared to SD2 and latter half of D1 but they're not as bad as Gofer Project shit.

>>719501714
>in rather generic wise
in rather generic ways*

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It's funny how you can see the soul drain out.

>>719500029
>that one fte where he predicts a him and makoto will marry the same woman becomes true if kyoko gets executed
>at the start of chapter 4 he predicts no more murders will happen, and he’s technically correct

>>719501543
The purpose of the trap wasn't to kill Kyoko specifically, though that was the best outcome the mastermind wanted, but to shatter the sudden optimism and loyalty and united the group in not playing the killing game any more after Sakura's sacrifice.
so unironically because despair lmao, which Kyoko already could figure was the motive since Monokuma said as much

>>719501821
Shuichi losing his hat in later CGs is soulful when you look at them in sequence like this but i agree overall

>>719501821
>later art is more technically competent but utterly lacking in raw emotional appeal
many cases of this I'm afraid to say

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>>719501821
Also here.

>>719501853
/v/ used to be a weedman board... we've lost our culture and our way.

>>719501940
I mean sure, but there's still the chance that the mastermind could still follow through with the rules, so choosing the wrong answer still posed a risk. Kyoko could assume that it was possible that it was a previous body if it wasn't the hidden 16th student, and she knew that the body had nail polish. If she remembered about Junko, then she could've said that the mastermind was the killer, which wouldn't be a big leap for the others to believe either since a body appeared out of nowhere.

>>719501672
I don't know why they needed 50 previous entries instead of 8 anyway

>>719498703
>>719501821
I always liked THH because it felt more comic-book inspired, rather than manga, which makes it quite unique by the standards of Japanese developers.

>>719502314
DR1 and DR2 really assume hard that you'll care a bunch about the game's main waifu and do all her FTEs and love her enough that you don't examine her actions too closely. The games don't fall apart if not but problems definitely appear that weren't there before.

i don't like Junko

>>719502634
stunning and brave

>>719502184
>>719501853
I'm going to (cont)inue my analysis of DR1 characters >>719501110 with Yasuhiro this time. Because he's a very underrated character

Yasuhiro, perhaps even more than Toko/Genocide Jill is the most outwardly ridiculous character. He's a complete dumbass with a really arbitrary fixation/hatred of the occult. Which is also his only talent and skill. Most things about him are just a joke. A funny one if you ask me.

But even he has a pretty interesting other side to him.
Yasuhiro acts as the leader and even moral support of the whole group after Taka loses it. He is the one who actively looks after Taka when he's nigh-comatose. He's the one who pushes the group to work together and push onwards. He is the one who actually disassembles Monokuma and furthers the plot in chapter 5.

Despite him also being a pretty self-serving coward in a lot of his characterization, he feels obligated due to his age to look after others, and pull his own weight.
It's just often he's too scared to actually pull through.

>>719502634
I liked her in DR1 where it was unclear if Ultimate Despair was a large organization she was just a part of and it didn't seem like she singlehandedly ended the world on her own.
2 being a direct sequel kinda sucked.

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>>719485842
1=2>V3
This is the undeniable and objective truth.
1 has the superior setting and overall mystery, 2 has better cases and characters, 3 has some nice characters and cases but overall just falls short of the other two.

>>719502123
The proportions are just better in DR1 but I also like how the Hope's Peak symbol dominates the picture

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>>719502725
The thing is that DR1 is all about the characters realizing they need to work together and get over their differences, etc, except for Toko. Toko remains exactly the same person the entire game and never learns anything. The fact that she survives is basically just a joke.

>>719501543
>>719502314
I think it's reasonable to assume that the mastermind had some goal besides killing all of the participants, and therefore stating that they'd caught the wrong culprit without revealing the true culprit would be a failure.
And, if the mastermind was willing to kill everyone regardless, then it doesn't matter whether they identified the mastermind as the killer or not.

Given that, I think framing makoto makes sense. It's still a gamble, but it's a calculated gamble that allows them to continue the game

>>719502752
Kinda just wish the mastermind and also the truth about whats happening outside was just less unbelievable, I dunno

>>719502915
Toko is the only character, outside of the villains of Junko and Mukuro, who doesn't feel like a fleshed out person at all.
She never grows, kinda only gets worse with her infatuation with Byukuya and all that.
It's good that she also has a very prominent part in UDG, because that game really fleshes her out and makes her into a fully compelling character.

Also it's funny how her being a secret super serial killer basically never matters to the story outside of her split personality being the only one to remember the world ending.
Which could have been done with her having any split personality, there was no reason for it to specifically be Genocide Jill.

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>>719503292
Her being an insane serial killer is itself the joke. You would normally be scared of a serial killer, but she's in the only situation ever where she can be completely open what who she is and no one has to worry.

I always thought it was cool that Toko wasn't a killer in THH. Nice bit of dramatic irony.

>>719503409
Kodaka has, if nothing else, a pretty good sense of the humor most of the time.

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is this shit really worth playing?
I tried it for 5 minutes and dipped after being forced through the """gameplay"""

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>>719503292
"DID with an EVIL SERIAL KILLER PERSONALITY!!" is just kind of a tired offensive trope at this point, even if they do point that out in universe and subvert it by making her not kill anyone
Also, the translators were insane for this

>>719485969
only good thing about 2 is Nagito