>high advanced fighting robot >can easily tank bullets, lasers, explosions, physical impact with only minor damage>his pinky barely grazes a spike>AAAAAAAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHGBLGBHLBLGBLGHGL *explodes*Why is he like this?
>touch instant death hazard>die instantly
>>719486736It sinks into the spikes under its own weight. Spikes are the ultimate death trap because gravity is unavoidable.
You suck, Wily
>spikeWhat now?
>>719488405I've never played a MMX game past X4
>>719489036Good, don't
>>719486736>the Prototype of all Reploids and a robot made to kill him, preceding everything that followed>best hardware ever made for goddamn centuries to the point by X6 neither of the two could be properly analyzed>also best software too since Zero shoved in a spare body bests Omega in his original body>likely for way more time since whoever uses a Biometal by ZX is taken to a tier of their ownHow come humanity wasn't able to produce a scientist as smart as Light and Wily ever again?
If you really think about it, megaman x is just the creation of a lolicon fighting against furries lead by a bald man.
>>719489372Weil was probably the closest they got after that retard Cain, there was also Albert who engineered biomechanical horrors from the wreckage of Ragnarok.
>>719489372Ciel comes close. The problem is that Reploids were made by Dr. Cain, who was an archaeologist first and a roboticist second. So by the time anyone who knew their shit could get their foot in the door, mavericks were already fucking everything up.
>>719489372My headcanon is that after Willy's shenanigans put the world in danger multiple times, humanity decided to give robotics a rest for a while so it wasn't until Cain found X that progress started being made again and even then Cain was nowhere near the roboticist that Light and Wily were (the man was actually an archaeologist for fucks sake), X and Zero's designs remained a mystery to crack.
>>719489650Ciel would probably be on par with Light or Wily if she had focused on robotics but really she spent her brainpower researching alternative sources of energy due to the energy crisis she was bred to fix. Her only attempt at making a robot resulted in that absolute clown of a reploid Copy X. Still impressive that she managed to make a bunch of biometals.
>>719489609>>719489650There is also the fact that whatever they learned in would be based on robotic theories derived from Reploids so while Cain may have contributed to the average, without anyone else analyzing X or Zero they'd be learning from something inferior. Gate mentions in X6 humanity had been underground in safety bunkers and the timeline from X5 to X6 is like 3 years. Each game in the X series probably wouldn't even be enough time for a child to graduate even if they didn't have constant wars.There basically isn't a proper timeframe for them to properly learn any of this stuff. Ciel just cloned X (and seems to have done a good job if Copy X succeeded in making Neo Arcadia utopic for humans) so this basically means she comprehended him better than Cain, while Weil was the only one in possession of Zero's original body. And both of them had more to focus on than making robots.
>>719489036I wish I was you.
>>719489372>discovers X, uses his basis to create Sigma and the reploids>recognizes X's capability for kindness and mercy as his greatest potential, doesn't put it into Sigma>puts Sigma the killer robot with no capability of remorse in charge of peacekeeping>Sigma decides fuck this, takes control of a bunch of other killer reploids, blows up half the world>*shocked pikachu face*>doesn't even appear anymore past X3 so it's assumed he died with the mess that he left everyone else to deal withDr. Cain a shit and a retard
>>719489650>>719489740The thing about Cain is super silly because he HAS the warning left by Light himself. And I quote:>"X" IS THE FIRST OF A NEW GENERATION OF ROBOTS WHICH CONTAIN AN INNOVATIVE NEW FEATURE - THE ABILITY TO THINK, FEEL, AND MAKE THEIR OWN DECISIONS. HOWEVER, THIS ABILITY COULD BE VERY DANGEROUS. IF "X" WERE TO BREAK THE FIRST RULE OF ROBOTICS, "A ROBOT MUST NEVER HARM A HUMAN BEING", THE RESULTS WOULD BE DISASTROUS AND I FEAR THAT NO FORCE ON EARTH COULD STOP HIM.>APPROXIMATELY 30 YEARS WILL BE REQUIRED BEFORE WE CAN SAFELY CONFIRM HIS RELIABILITY. UNFORTUNATELY I WILL NOT LIVE TO SEE THAT DAY, NOR DO I HAVE ANYONE TO CARRY ON MY WORK. THEREFORE, I HAVE DECIDED TO SEAL HIM IN THIS CAPSULE, WHICH WILL TEST HIS INTERNAL SYSTEMS UNTIL HIS RELIABILITY HAS BEEN CONFIRMED. PLEASE DO NOT DISTURB THE CAPSULE UNTIL THAT TIME.>"X" POSSESSES GREAT RISKS AS WELL AS GREAT POSSIBILITIES. I CAN ONLY HOPE FOR THE BEST.>SEPTEMBER 18, 20XX>T. LIGHTLight was fucking clear that this concept wasn't to be taken lightly and should at LEAST be given 30 years before it's set loose onto humanity. He ignored it. For all the shit Light gets about "accidentally destroying the world", Cain is arguably more complicit as Light at least tried to take steps to stop Mavericks from ever existing.
>>719489740>My headcanon is that after Willy's shenanigans put the world in danger multiple times, humanity decided to give robotics a restActually wasn't that the backstory for why reploids were so quickly mass produced after Cain found X? They no longer had any half decent robots since Wily and Light died ages ago and society had gotten pissed off by robot masters too many times. They even use that plot point in the Rockman-san manga's ending with advanced AI robots being outlawed after a bunch of robot masters stole a space station and fucked off into deep space to live away from humanity and colonize some other barren planets.
>>719489036X8 is OK
>>719490125To be fair Sigma was perfectly fine until he fought Zero and got infected by the Maverick Virus. It's not like he decided to fuck shit up out of his own volition without being infected like many other Reploids after him.
>>719490145>>719490125The damage Cain caused to the world was colossal.It wouldn't even have been that bad if X wasn't sent to become a Maverick Hunter. He likely would have contributed more to the world if he was left to actual roboticists to analyze him. They'd have noticed his kindness is a necessary feature because X follows from Classic and all the problems Wily caused with Robot Masters, they had history to know this simple lesson and would have graduated in a field to understand X's schematics better.By sending him to the police work to hunt down HIS faulty robots, Cain might as well have screwed the world. He made a factory of Mavericks before Wily's virus spread.
>>719490265Wait, dial back. Tell me more of this manga plotline?
>>719489036X5 is probably the worst Mega Man game of the entire franchise.
>>719490656>he says, when the two games that follow exist
>>719490697I can have fun with X6's bullshit even if it is objectively a poorly made game. X7 has a steep start, but it's tolerable when you upgrade the characters. X5 doesn't even have the decency to be interestingly bad, it's just fucking boring and designed to waste your time. I'd take any of X6 or X7's shit over Duff McWhalen.
>>719490536It's more of a slice of life depicting the megaman cast decades after the games, showing most robot masters enjoying their jobs (some struggling more than others when it comes to finding that dream job) with a an underlying central plot of a mysterious robot plotting a rebellion. Wily is basically retired and Megaman is a dentist.
>>719486930Kek
If you really think about it, >>719489491 is just the creation of a faggot.
>>719490265>They no longer had any half decent robots since Wily and Light died ages ago and society had gotten pissed off by robot masters too many times. They even use that plot point in the Rockman-san manga's ending with advanced AI robots being outlawed after a bunch of robot masters stole a space station and fucked off into deep space to live away from humanity and colonize some other barren planets.Huh.Then that would make sense why the world wouldn't have roboticists capable of comprehending X. Furthermore no Reploid Maverick went as far as doing that so depending on the point of view, Reploids would have been more successful than Robot Masters. Even if they birthed Mavericks, if the statistics of that happened or that being controlled were lesser than Robot Masters it'd encourage them to mass produce Reploids.Hell if you think about it, it only becomes a wide scale threat by X4. X1-3 were still in a scale of problems that would have happened in Classic.
>>719490145>>719490475To be fair it's really Zero and Wily's fucking fault for the virus. If it wasn't for them yeah there'd be bad robots, but the world wouldn't be shitfaced like in later X games
>>719491028>it only becomes a wide scale threat by X4Only by virtue of the label "maverick" being used for anyone that didn't kneel over and present their asses to humanity. Repliforce were retards but still non mavericks.
>>719490145>For all the shit Light gets about "accidentally destroying the world"
>>719491119>AIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEE I CAUGHT ROBOENZA NOW I GOTTA KILL EVERYBODY I SEE WOWIE ZOWIEAnd reploids wonder why they're perpetually treated like second class citizens.
>>719490656>He says after the downgrade that was X4, let alone the other two
>>719491356>the one robot he left behind after his death, he made sure to leave a huge fucking disclaimer about how that robot is going through intensive testing to make sure he doesn't just go apeshit when he wakes up>the guy who found said robot just went lmao fuck this and just mass-produced copies of it>Light still gets blamed for itI never understood this meme.
I am SICK AND TIRED of all the robot slanderFirst off, they have NEVER done anything wrong, it's always been filthy humans. If the world was exterminated of them, it would be a better placeThink about it. Who was behind all the evil world bending schemes in Classic? HumansBattle Network? HumansX? A poor robot forced to do evil things and was created by a HUMANKILL ALL HUMANSDO NOT STAND DOWN MY FELLOW REPLOIDSDESTROY THEMNOW
>>719491340>Repliforce were retards but still non mavericks.Post the comic.
>>719487421THE FIRST VICTIM OF THE ROBOT APOCALYPSE SAYS "WHAT"
>>719491942HUHN?! WHA
>>719491603Let's say that X4 was in fact a downgrade from X3 (it's not), that would make X5 a downgrade from a downgrade, so what's your fucking point.
>Dr Cain>Abel CityWhat did they mean by this
>>719489372Imagine Leonardo da Vinci and Einstein were born at the same time and nobody even close to their level was born for at least 500 years.
>>719491726I agree with Rep. Lloyd here. His points are poignant and concise. Delete humans!
>>719488405>crushes you for being too slow
>>719492183Japan loves biblical references because it's exotic.
>>719486974Explain how walking into a wall of spikes instantly kills Mega Man.
>>719493446it just does!
>>719492905Final boss of X8 is also Sigma as a demon and Lumine as an angel.
>>719491025Don't be rude to bass.
>>719490656It's one of the worst but X7 is worse still.>>719490927>X7>tolerable when you upgrade the charactersIt's "tolerable" when X is playable in the sense that it's now a 4/10. Axl and Zero are miserable enough to play as to make me miss X5. No game should ever make me feel that way.
>>719489491so why did dr light make x a guy
>>719489491truth nuclear bomb>>719494431so people didn’t find out
>>719486736Gamescale, the need for mechanics and player limitation overrides lore, etc etc
>>719486974>gravity is unavoidable.Gravity Beetle confirmed strongest reploid
>>719486736Because it's his weakness, and God help the game where Spike Man is ever a concept.>but Needle ManDoesn't count. Don't know why but it doesn't.
>>719490125Dr. Cain was indeed retarded but Sigma originally had the same capacity for kindness as any reploid. The whole point of reploids is that they're fully actualized AGI and can make their own choices and feel real emotions. That is what makes them reploids, replicas of X.The reason Sigma went from being Optimus Prime stopping crazed or psycho reploids to being Megatron leading them against humans was his coming into contact with Zero and being infected by a virus that essentially overrode his personality to be violent, cruel and megalomaniacal.
>>719490656X7 and X6 exist, anon.
>>719495017He neglected that the 100 years of morality testing was a necessary part of the programming process and would need to be done every single time, not just once on the original.
>>719490656True X5 is the one that has levels that are straight up impossible to complete if you don't enter them with the right set of upgrades.
>>719486736they're really really really sharp
>>719494160>Noah's Park>Jakob Orbital Elevator>Paradise LostX8 was so unsubtle lmao
>>719493446uuhhhhhh it makes mustard gas
>>719495690That's X6
>>719496010I know that was me being cheeky because I can't believe there are still X6 apologists out there.
>>719495690I'll take that over having to sit around watching paint dry in Duff's autoscroller three times to collect every item.
>>719496180I mean, once you patch out all the bad stuff
What would these games need in order to live up to your expectations after so many years?21 years since X8, 25 years since Legends 2, and 18 years since ZX Advent respectively since the last release storywise as of 2025.
>>719493446The speed of earth's rotation pushes him deeper into the spikes.
>>719496413ZX3 would have to tie into LegendsLegends would have to get Volnutt off that fucking rockX9 should cover the elf wars
>>719489491X is the Adam and Eve of all Reploids after all
>>719496413I think X9 would do well provided they gave it the MM9 treatment. ZX was never popular so only hardcore fans would look forward to a ZX3 and even then, it would probably suck if inti wasn't doing it. And Legends 3 is basically impossible because everyone would just be comparing it to the cancelled version and wishing we got that instead.
>>719495045>>719495690I'm with that anon on X6. That game's a trainwreck but at least it's sporadically interesting about being one. The most interesting thing about X5 is the Falcon Armor, and it's largely interesting because it basically lets you skip playing the actual game. That's its BEST quality.
>>719496413Imagine if they pull a Megaman 9 with X9 and give it SNES graphics.
>>719490656Only because you're pretending what came after doesn't exist.
>>719496413Merely existing and, in X9's case, learning from the mistakes of its predecessors. I really don't care about story in these games, I just want more Megaman. I guess getting /ourboy/ off the moon is nice but that's the bare minimum Legends 3 needed to accomplish.
>>719490145It is genuinely baffling that Light gets any blame for shit that was entirely on other people.
>>719496614Soul, and I say this as a X4babby.
>>719490976Wait, seriously, did the mango actually copy the Ruby Spears cartoon?https://youtu.be/tFlUV4H_f0Q?t=669
>>719486736Honestly I'm kinda glad the series is dead, the series was in a weird state that OYW Gundam is in where the characters constantly suffer because if the conflict ends the series is over
>>719496931kek I wasn't aware of that.
>>719488405Use the better armor
>>719491620It’s just contrarians and Wily propaganda.
Is X8 actually good or is it just less shit than X5-7 that people give it a pass? I've never tried it and I do see people over the years say its alright. I really don't like how stiff and blocky everything looks and all the character models move like Barbie dolls
>>719496010X6's Sigma levels still haunt me because of how bullshit it was to navigate them unless you had the exact armors. Like sure, it gives you Falcon armor from the start of the game and it could deal with this just fine, but would you KNOW that entering this stage? That's level design so bad I'd expect From Software to be responsible for this game because issues like this are all over the game. No warning for points of no return, obstacles you can't see beyond the camera, regenerating enemies once you leave the screen etc. It's like they took all the bad cliches of NES era games and put it onto a PS1 era disk. There's a difference between difficulty that can be mitigated through experience and practice and a game that needs you to cheese exploits and glitches to get past challenges because they're so broken and poorly thought out because the game's development cycle was less than a year and was only pushed out as a cash grab.X6fags have no argument in this case.
>>719496614>>719496910as much as i didnt like that mega man 9 was 8 bit i'll take an snes x9 over whatever the fuck they did with x8
>>719489862>absolute clown of a reploid Copy X
>>719486736COMING UP NEXT ON: ZOOMERS BITCHING
>>719496931>Airman has a mouth>Iceman no longer has a mouthOne job
>>719497107Aggressively mediocre is the best way to define it. Nowhere near as bad as 6 or 7 but it's just there.
>>719496931Airman looks more menacing here
>>719497107When X8 isn't doing stupid gimmick shit, it's good. The problem is that its doing stupid gimmick shit 50% of the time.
>>719497107I don't care for the graphics, but I'd put it above X3 which itself I think is pretty overhated. Biggest sticking point are the vehicle levels.
>>719496352That doesn’t fucking count that isn’t how the game was released.
>>719497107It's okay. As you pointed out coming out after two consecutive duds really boosted people's perception of it but it's really just innofensive at best.
>>719497142There's the fanmade 16bit demake that's actually pretty faithful. Only thing is no Zero and Axl and others had to mod them in.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EODRGXfEfp0
>>719489650>>719489862Ciel mentioned!
>>719488405X5's new armors were so stupid. And for some insane reason they decided that, if you didn't start as X, you weren't getting chargeable boss weapons as him until the very end of the game. If you start as X, all you lose from Zero is a useless slow projectile attack.
>>719497269Man-O-War was so trash man, you either spent 5 minutes driving around his shitty stage before dying out of nowhere or you cleared it in 20 seconds.
>>719497269Based actual X8 player.
>>719497107X8 is fine, it isn’t anything special it’s just nowhere near as bad as X7, I think the biggest problem is that like 80% of the levels have some retarded gimmick and the game is at its best in the levels that don’t.
>>719490125How did Ultron win against Sigma? I was sure Sigma would win this
>>719497372coming out after two consecutive duds is what killed it, cuz it sold like shit. Similar thing happened with DMC3, but that was a 10/10 game rather than an 8/10, so it managed to rebound.
>>719490145>September 18, 20XXIt’s almost that date guys
>>719496931Um, japanbros?
>>719497614Wester comics almost always win death battle
>>719497107Its gimmick level designa are stupid, but play it on Hard and the game is well balanced around actually playing well and utilizing character switches when you don't. I genuinely think it's worth at least one playthrough on that difficulty.
>>719497053Blade's better>>719497107gravity antonion, burn rooster and the final stage are the only fun stages, x8 liked to shove an annoying gimmick into every stage, almost always making it less fun, the bosses also have annoyingly long i-frames. also getting upgrades really suck since buying them usually cost too much and getting all the items required way too many revisits>>719497436I remember several friends really liking this demake. I also recall the Zero and Axl modder adding some sort of spyware/drm that tracks your pc or something, don't remember the exact details.>>719497458so dumb that the falcon armor couldn't charge weapons, that should've been another nerf to the fourth armor IF they were going to do that to one of the armors
>>719490125I love how X3 is the last time we ever see Dr. Cain, he’s never seen or heard from again after that. In fact the next time we would see humans being part of the story is in Zero 4 and even narrating the intro of how Robots came to be and how the evolved over the years.https://youtu.be/fhWw5YKnjvs
>8 loved gimmick stages>X8 loved gimmick stages
>>719497614something something dc and marvel characters have a multiverse and every character are like relative to each other during these multiversal events
>>719498012Doesn't he die of old age off screen?
>>719486736Always hated this as a kid.>he is MEGAMAN>he is made for Titanium X from the future, shit's so hard makes concrete look like dough>oh no, a spikeit's something that was dragged for the whole franchise, along with not being able to fucking CROUCH until X5 or X6
>>719498048>both are the best game in their respective seriesreally makes you think
>>719497957>so dumb that the falcon armor couldn't charge weapons, that should've been another nerf to the fourth armor IF they were going to do that to one of the armorsThat honestly sounds fair when you have the Plasma Shot in exchange. Maybe also give it the Nova Strike again (the MMX4 Fourth Armor version that needs to be built up, not the free-use Ultimate Armor version).
>>719490656X5 sucks in every department Except for the music I guess
>>719498202Crouching added nothing to the games.
>>719498247X5 is the best one
>>719498202I also hated taking damage from enemy contact.why? so if mario touches a goomba he dies. but goombas get no harm from touching mario?what kind of logic is that?
>>719498203Bro, I'm a staunch MM8 defender, but "best in the series" is a bit too far. Especially since we know the true best is MMV
>>719498314
>>719495045X6 is at least built on the foundation of X4X7 being 3D was so stupid because Legends was already our 3D Megaman
>>719496413>X9 plays like X8 but the developers remembered that the stage gimmicks sucked ass and so they just make good stages instead [UNLIKELY]>Legends 3 comes out in the year 2012 for the 3DS and is the definitive ending to the series [IMPOSSIBLE]>ZX3 (ZXC) is made by Inti and they quite literally just pick up where they left off using the last 20 years worth of games to craft a finale for the era that heralds the beginning of Legends [IMPLAUSIBLE]
>>719498380I havent played the gba games but until then I will hold firm on 8 being the most fun classic game
>>719498380V was pretty solid, especially with the color hack. Only issue I had with it (which also applies to the other GB games) is that there are a few too many leaps of faith down chasms with untelegraphed spikes for my liking. But overall, if someone's gonna pick just one GB MM game to play, it should be this one, and it's not even close.
>>719498537Man Legends has this kind of creepy and eerie feeling to it that no other game can replicate.
>>719498380>>719498673I would consider V to be on the upper mid side of the series, also IV is better
>>719498710Because you're in an underground city with the only thing inhabiting it being security bots.
>>719497107Honestly it looks underwhelming for a PS2 game and every stage may as well be a different game because they’re all gimmicky
>>719498808>PS2 game and every stage may as well be a different gamethat sounds good to me
>>719496010I'm fairly certain that there's air dash in the game and you don't have to do that bullshit.
>>719497457Can flesh and blood vagina of 10 yo accommodate reploid metallic phallus?
>>719498562Funnily enough, Legends 3 might've sold well for a Mega Man game since 2011/2012 was that dry period in the 3ds life.>>719498903base x and the shadow armor don't have an air dash and i think the falcon armor's air dash isn't enough either.
>>719498903NTA, but the webm specifies unarmored X. Zero has the air dash by default, but X doesn't. And as far as I'm aware X6 is the only X game impossible to beat unarmored (feel free to correct me if I'm wrong tho)
>>719498903X and Shadow Armor can't air dashhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JpKZqzZrY-k
>>719496614Man I remember looking up images on what a 16 bit X9 could’ve been and this was around the time MM9 or 10 were recently released, these images take me back even they were fanmade. Nostalgia is nostalgia, I would trade MM10 for this any day. Could’ve returned the X series to its former glory after all the crap that started with X5 and onwards.
>>719498772Not just that place, the entire setting feels off.
>>719497957NO!
>>719490125A reminder that Cain was PALEOBOTANIST and should have stuck to digging for fossil plants.
>Be adult sized Robotic man>Hundreds of pounds of metal drop directly on top of deadly spikesHe would get completely impaled. A childrens game isnt going to show his gory death
>>719497458>if you didn't start as XI guess they were trying to to go for replay value but X4 probably did it better where if you pick a certain character you’re committed to that character. People give X7 flack but at least it gave us the ability to play as two hunters and switch between them on the fly, just be careful not to die because you don’t automatically switch like in X8 when one hunter goes down.
I still can't believe Capcom had the gall to separate the legacy collection into two games, 1 containing all the good ones and 2 consisting of only the bad ones (8 is ok). I bought the 1+2 pack when it was on sale a couple years ago and have never once opened collection 2
>>719499270this should've hit bosses multiple times instead of making that annoying ding sound whenever you hit something that has a shield
>>719498202>TitaniumCeratanium
>>719499472but the x challenge vol 2
>>719499634why the fuck is it called bassium when that's an energy source
>>719499648Is there a reason why the ultimate armor is a different color?
>>719491726Whoa, cool it with the anti-humanism. If the hunters see you posting this, they're gonna be pissed.
>>719496413X9 would just need to be a fun game with good enough designed levels and weapons, and I wanna play as both X and Zerothat's seriously it for me. I don't care for X's story>>719499184>spoilerAgree, in retrospect it made way more sense and inti would've done well on itAnd would've been a fun thing where both series get their 9th entries
>>719498710Helps that you don't even get music for most of the game
>>719498537>X6 is at least built on the foundation of X4Which is not a good thing.
>>719487421you'd think an evil GENIUS would've thought about making an inescapable ROOM made of instant death spikes WAY before he made a SPRING MAN
>>719499795It hasn't been a consistent color across any game it's been in, so why start now?
>>719486736Have YOU ever touched a spike? Shit hurts, man.
>>719499152>Funnily enough, Legends 3 might've sold well for a Mega Man game since 2011/2012 was that dry period in the 3ds life.That might have just been the perfect sweet spot compared to Legends 2 which was a late PS1 game, hey X5 and X6 were PS1 games as well I’m just noticing!It just makes me more sad and depressed they pulled the plug on Legends 3 after having freaking demo gameplay of it. So many other canceled game ideas got revisited. But maybe it’s fault of Inafking dropping out when he did. It’s like how Yuji Naka left during Sonic 06 development.
>>719496518>elf warsLike Castlevanias battle of 1999, it can never possibly live up to fans expectations, so why even bother?
>>719500047I have cut and pierce resistant gloves, I can touch spikes all day, bro.
>>719486736waht if they're super high tech spikes??
>>719498537>X7 being 3D was so stupid because Legends was already our 3D MegamanThe problem wasn't X7 trying to be 3D, because frankly the series needed to try to evolve one way or another eventually instead of just leaving it to Inafune's wish child. It's that it tried to be 3D and did it in the shittiest, laziest ways possible without actually trying to properly tune mechanics designed for 2D gameplay into 3D. It wanted to convert the movement, the dashing, the systems over as closely as it could - and the only accommodation they made was the crap ass lock-on system, which trivialized half the point of Mega Man gameplay in taking out the positioning challenge of combat in the first place.
>>719499915So was X6 a wasted sequel? I mean I’m aware X5 was supposed to be the last one originally
>Doesn't kill Mega Man in 1 hitExplain.
>>719500418He was holding back.
>>719500418No worries, Capcom themselves does unspeakable things to Megaman with the shitty collabs and merchandise
>>719500418Those are needles, not spikes.
>>719498012I also like how the reboot attempt of Maverick Hunter X has him clearly killed off in the anime movie before the actual events of the game even start.
>>719500520I know the feel.
>>719500583what makes sonic gay?
>>719500418>>719500651WHATS THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN NEEDLES AND SPIKES THOSE LOO LIKE SPIKES
>>719500693He refuses to fuck Amy, if that isn't the gayest shit ever, then I don't know what gay is.
>>719500815He's into human girls
>>719500772Spikes 1 hit kill megaman while needles just hurt him a little.Come on wily you are a fucking scientist you should know the difference.
>>719500815i mean we don't see him fucking the shit outta someone like tails either
>>719496413Just give us endings with no cliffhangers and gameplay and level design that is at least decent.
>>719500986Sonic is built for robotnik's PINGAS.
>>719491028>>719490265This really begs the question of who would win if it was Robot Masters vs. Mavericks.
>>719500418Wily doesn't want to kill Mega Man. Wily needs Mega Man to keep him in check. Just like Light needs Wily to keep him in check. Wily understands this. Light understands this. Mega Man understands this.It's why things went to shit during the "Post Classic pre X period". Mega Man wasn't around. The classic universe runs on checks and balances. Yes. Wily built killer robots, but those same killer robots drop energy refills.
>>719501185Mavericks, no contest. They're simply more advanced and more powerful. The cartoon episode "Mega X" had Vile and Spark Mandrill go back in time to Mega Man's time and he couldn't do a single thing to even scratch them.
>>719500772needle not hurt so muchspike more pointier so it hurtier
>>719501185It is like asking if a Renault tank can take on an Abrams tank, the power scale is completely fucked up, sure both are war machines, but one is clearly superior and there is simply no room for a real debate on who would win.Mavericks would sweep.
>>719500418The force that Mega Man himself exerts on a spike (that impales him) from his weight is greater than the force that Needle man's gun fires.
For me, it's X3's gold armor
>>719503235I love watching people play or do commentary on the first three X games and constantly complain about why didn't Dr. Light just put all of these weapons and armor into X when he first built him.
>>719497957>Burn RoosterAutoscroller into boss into reverse autoscroller is one of the most bullshit things I've ever seen Megaman pull. I'd even put Yeti's stage over that one and it's an overlong Ride Chaser stage. Trilobyte is basically a saner version of Rooster, never mind better still stages like Pandamonium, Mantis and as you said Antonion.
>>719498202Crouching was pointless in any stage that wasn't slower than molasses. Megaman has had low profiling solved since MM3 introduced sliding, and X refined it even further with dashes.
>>719503235>oh look, a pink capsule, I wonder what that does>AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEBased armor but fuck X3.
>>719503447The real valid question is why X almost never hangs onto upgrades between games. AFAIK the only times he did this were>keeping the Dash Boots from X1-onwards as a standard part of his kit>Fourth Armor in X5>Falcon Armor in X6
>>719504541At least with X7 you could maybe argue that his pussy ass pacifist self threw all of them away.
>>719504447Bad game, with some good high points
They were constantly trying to "innovate" because Zero was consistently better than him. Even though X had all the armor upgrades in X4, Zero was still stronger. Also they failed to catch Zero's dash cancel nonsense for three straight games. They even completely redid all of Zero's animations but still failed to notice the dash cancel issue.
>>719504128>play 5+ minute long vehicle stage>need X and Zero to get item A right outside the boss door>need to do entire stage again with Axl and Zero to get item B right next to item A>if you didn't bring Zero or the right weapon you get to do the level a third timeFuck youuuuu
>>719504704Sure. X3 did introduce the double air dash. Also based.
>>719504704X3 is easily the weakest of the SNES trilogy but I still consider it good despite its shortcomings.
>>719499795The Light AI is constantly trying to refine and upgrade the Ultimate Armor. It was originally incomplete and unstable, hence the reason the Light AI is usually reluctant to give it to X. It keeps changing color because each one is an updated model.
>>719504879I'm not saying Yeti is good, I'm expressing how hard Rooster's stage can go fuck itself.
>>719504695That's the lore. That's why the Fourth and Falcon armors don't work as well, X threw them away but Alia salvaged them out of the garbage.
>>719503235I'm amazed people like this piss armor. It'd be tacky enough even if it didn't look like X was covered in piss.
Imagine if Dr. Whywee just teleported Mega Man into a closed room full of spikes, but he's not smart enough. Some genius.
>>719490265>Robots ran away to live in peace.>"NO WE GOT TO KILL THEM CLANKERS!"Why?
>>719505107but isn't it functionally the same from x4-x6?
>Collect all the heart tanks as Zero>Lose the shuttle dice roll
>>719505317I'm guessing the stability is raised with each iteration. Also probably increased output over time. Technology keeps advancing and Reploids keep getting more and more powerful. The armor upgrades would have to keep up with that. Even if the Ultimate Armor was years ahead of the curve in X4, it might have become outdated by X6 if the Light AI didn't keep updating it.
>>719505286Dr. Wily is one of those ego-tripping villains. He'll never do something that feels 'too easy', because then he won't get to brag about how he outwitted Mega Man with a 500 IQ play
>>719492137>Posts shitty auto scrolling ride chaser stage like X4 didn't start that shitX5 is as good (or better) than 4. Everything in X4 is indeed nerfed from the SNES trilogy desu. At least picrel has good music unlike anything from 4
>>719488405Why does he look like him?
>>719505312Because theft is bad and it's not murder if it's against robots.
>>719504541Seeing as his Ultimate Armor degrades over time, maybe the same goes for all the rest. On top of that it could also be that the armors get irreparably damaged during the Sigma battles.
>>719505412lmao a fucking rng roll even after doing everything right is such a retarded thing.
>>719505148They can both go fuck themselves. It feels like every level is the bad level.
>>719505530X4 had the competency not to kill you before dropping the "ready" screen, which is what the pic was referring to. It also didn't>Have a shitty forced tutorial>Force you to revisit the auto scrolling stage three times>Have slow as fuck bosses>Have shitty powerpoint cutscenesBut aside from that, yeah it's better.
>>719505412>do half of the game so far, trying a Zero playthrough instead of yet another X run, okay>Enigma Cannon succeeds somehow and this means I just skipped the other half of the game>Alia immediately just goes "well we dunno what this new virus is, lets just call it the Zero Virus because it feels like Zero" while he's just standing there in the command center next to her without so much as a word of protest
>>719505412You can't collect them all as Zero, there's at least 2 that are X exclusive
>>719505204It looks cooler as a tiny SNES sprite. Lots of white spots makes it actually look shiny. The official art always makes it look more like a weird beige than gold.
lol
>>719504541Initially it was unnecessary. X got stronger with each game. If you look at his tier 3 charged shot from X1-X3, the design changes, signifying that he gets stronger over time. Also, the only reason he was able to keep the Fourth and Falcon Armors in X5 and X6 respectively is because those are the only ones Alia was able to salvage. Most of X's armors become irreparably damaged at the end of their games.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OW9VZccpoL8>Sigma, what's going on in there?>Battle bodies, X.
>>719503235I had a laugh when I was building the normal Max Armor model kit, and I realized its a rip off of Shining Gundam, with the Gold variant being a rip off of God Gundam's Hyper Mode.Makes Mark Gatha voicing him even funnier too, god, imagine if we got a Maverick Hunter X3, they probably would have added the God Finger as a secret move like the Hadouken/Shoryuken.
>>719505952WTF this can't be real
>>719504541>The real valid question is why X almost never hangs onto upgrades between gamesX is hella spoiled with all these Armor Sets
>>719506346Light capsules can't really give Zero armor upgrades. The "black armor" is actually just the capsule unleashing some of Zero's hidden parameters.
>>719506346axl in command mission
Capcom should have put this in Legacy Collection 2 to make it actually worthwhile
>>719506574for some reason, they avoided putting spin-offs in.
Do they ever refer to X as "Megaman" in any dialogue in-game?
>>719506723No because he is X, Mega Man died but the sperm used by him were used to create X
>>719497614Because Sigma is a planetary level threat at his best. Ultron has conquered galaxies.
>>719506723The SNES trilogy goes out of its way to specifically go full name, "Mega Man X", every time they mention him or someone speaks to him. After that the games just use X, Mega Man doesn't get uttered a single time for the rest of the main continuity until the ZX series if I remember right besides maybe in correlation to the Copy-X / Cyber Elf X distinction.
>>719506723Once in X3 IIRC.
>>719486736>Kills Sigma 8 timesHeh, nothin personnel, Sig>touches a single spikeAIEEE SPIKESAMA, HAVE MERC-ACCKKKKK!!! *explodes*
>>719506904>>719506901A lot of these seem to be stuff added in the western releases. In Japan, the only one I know for sure who refers to him as "Rockman X" is Serges.
Half of the X games are shit. The only playable ones are 1-4, 5 is bland, 6 is bad romhack tier, 7 is one of the shittiest games ever, and 8 is even blander than 5. At least Classic only has 3 bad games, two of which are just bland and not overtly shit. Wait, 4, I forgot 11. Everyone forgets 11.
>>719507050Even the worst Classic game (1) is just okay and not straight up shit.
>>719505896Also X3 gave X an unlockable Z-Saber before X6 which starts you out with you
>>719498380>>719498767imo World 5 is up there, especially since it's the framework of one of my favorites in the classic series
>>719506574Honestly one of my favorite games in the series and one I enjoy doing full playthroughs of every few months or so.
>>719507050Honestly it's why it's hard for me to recommend some things with this damn series. The Classics got a few low points but nothing actually bad bad unless you go hunting for spinoffs and certain handheld titles, then the X series gets an excellent start, some middling sequels, a presentation boost, and proceeds to shit its pants so thoroughly that it partly led to an excuse for Capcom to dwindle the lifeline of the platformers. Every game after that for X8, Zero or ZX, always has some catch to a recommendation, like Zero series being schizophrenic in difficulty and poorly explaining the Elf system, ZX's godawful map and Advent's rather underutilized ideas, etc.Half of the platformer entries of this series are great, and then the other half are middling to dribbling shit. And that inconsistency bled into the BN and SF games where you get a couple tight entries, some mediocre ones, and some honestly horrendous or tedious garbage.
>>719507334I'd like it a lot more if the overworld was more fleshed out.
>>719507305Finally, someone who recognize that MM11 is a masterpiece and it's a shame that we might never get a new game because people just wanted to complain about itThe only real way to play is on superhero mode without ever using the shop btw
>>719507305>7 in SIncredibly based.
>>719507468Same, and the new characters were relevant beyond their introductory chapters, and the equipment system was more in-depth.
You are given the chance to make a 3D Megaman game, not Legends, an entirely new 3D series.What do you do?
>>719507251I remember one of my first Internet arguments was some guy on Gamefaqs who said that the arm chip/gold armor was useless because it nerfed the Z saber because it turned the slash into a projectile which did the damage in ticks rather than all at once. Even though I'm pretty sure they both did the same damage in the end and it's not like it mattered because you still killed Kaiser Sigma with it in one hit regardless. Also the little slashes from the projectile looked cooler.
>>719497957>x8 liked to shove an annoying gimmick into every stage, almost always making it less funthat man o' war fuck has the single worst stage in the entire series
>zero was so autistic he never tapped her
>>719507712>all the girls in the franchise getswimsuit skins in XDive>none of them show toes because robots or somethingI am unpleased
>>719507712His oneitis went full schizo and he had to put her down. There's no coming back from that.
>>719506574>Capcom should have put this in Legacy Collection 2I guess there’s always NSO, last year we got all the GB games I think
>>719507656Blaze Heatnix will always be worse from multiple design points
>>719507712I prefer Palette.
>>719507958I'd put Heatnix above Duff, because at least you can effortlessly rape the donuts if you have the right loadout. The shitty whale ship will always force you through the auto scrolling stage regardless though.
>>719507305>Megaman and Bass in FThat was my favorite one as a kid, granted I haven't played it in decades so I don't even remember much about it other than Megaman just being straight up worse than Bass in all aspects.
>>719507958Well holy god damn.
>>719508108Mega Man's charge shot deals with Robot Masters faster than the Bass Buster, but that's about it.
>>719505741Some of them are pretty good. Booster Forest, Primrose, Pitch Black, Noah's Park and Sigma Palace are all reasonably competent. I'd maybe even say Metal Valley is fine too, certainly not as obnoxious as the rest.
>>719507609Make a stylized hybridization of Classic and X where you obviously have very anime robots and stuff, but it isn't afraid to dip its toes into the action and lightweight versions of some of the questions the X series posed about robots. Gameplay is a third person shooter that takes more hints from Lost Planet and Vanquish than any sorta cover shooter, where mobility is key, defeating certain regular enemies allows you to pilfer short-hand abilities like the early concepts of Mighty No. 9, and bosses range from big colossal robots for huge battle sequences, or rivals that are as mobile as you as fights become a large amount of jumping and dashing around trading and avoiding each other's shots.It's not about being original: it's about refining what the industry, and both Capcom and its former alumni themselves, have presented to make something good.
>>719507050>Everyone forgets 11It just kinda came and went huh
Aile will always be my number one
>>719489650>Invents literal perpetual motion machine Pity she was a test tube baby. Her unlimited free energy would’ve stopped the events leading to Zero from happening, but they also should’ve hammered home the fact that everything leading to humanity’s extinction thereafter was enabled by her invention
>>719507958Manowar is the one stage that verifiably manages to be worse. Heatnix is an irredeemable slog but at least you can screen clear your way to victory, plus it has like 20 seconds of competent platforming. Manowar has one of two outcomes - you either crush it in 20 seconds because you memorized the layout or fuck up once and might as well reset because the intended catchup mechanics don't actually fucking work. Basically, you win or lose in the first 20 seconds, that's it. It's the one X stage that I would say is not worthy of being called a video game. Even stages like Whale in X5 or Heatnix can be called that, albeit god awful ones.
>>719507825>because robots or somethingCombat robots specifically, toes would be pointless for them so they don't have them. Military designs will always try to save weight/money wherever possible.
>>719508563Not at all, it went on to become the best selling Megaman game.
>>719507463>X series gets an excellent start, some middling sequelsIt’s so funny how GBA Zero is the complete opposite where it starts off bad but gets better as it goes on
>>719507050>11>blandNot with those special weapons it isn't. It's a classic entry with an offemsive air dash, for fuck's sake.
>>719508563I think a lot of people (myself included) kinda forced themselves to like MM11, the whole "we have to play this or we'll never get another game" sorta thing.Seems like it didn't matter much, Capcom clearly has no plans on doing anything else with the franchise, and MM11 was a extremely mediocre game on top of it.The Roll redesign sucked too. They reached perfection with 8. Why mess with perfection?
>>719491726Stay asleep you sissy hack, you had a chance to restart but you an hero’d without even cleaning up the other failsafes you were supposed to be administering
>>719493446Megaman scales to quickman, so while ut looks like he'z simply walking into the spikes he's actually colliding with them at mach 2 or some shit.
>>719491726Haha. Yeah down with the humans. Where can we meet up to discuss this further? Me and a few friends have been.. hunting for a new anti-human meetup spot.
>>719498202crouching in MM is completely fucking pointless when you have sliding and dashing
>>719508657I beat it by leveling up the weapon energy and spamming boost. I'd still say it's better than Heaetnix and Duff, because even if it's non-functional, you can at least say there was a modicum of effort in the design of the stage unlike the other two.
>>719509178Except when doing either still gets you crushed because you're too tall for the space.
>>719507825There’s your Robot Toes happy?
>>719509349There's a disturbing lack of splashwo in this picture
Reminder to read Megaman Megamix/Gigamix. The way it tied V to 8 was genius.
I like Axl
>>719505530>X5 is as good (or better) than 4Its good but it is in no way better than X4. Not even close.
>>719509441Guessing they connected the Stardroids to the EVIL ENERGY?
>>719508904>The Roll redesign sucked too. They reached perfection with 8. Why mess with perfection?Could have been worse
>>719499157You are wrong. You can beat X6 as X unarmored but you have to equip Jumper as a part, which you can still equip without armor.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yc27HDYbtrQ
>>719509441>>719509520Forgot it also tied 3 to those two.
>>719509295And that is invariably bad level design for an X game. These games have the kind of movement systems where forcing a player to sit still or die shouldn't be excusable. Stages like MSP and Dinorex are just bad.
>>719509535I lied. If you ever correct me again, I'll slit your throat nigger.
>>719496010Huh, so this is the type of gameplay the old good new bad fags enjoy.
>>719508904I liked the boss weapons but felt like stages were too vanilla, should have had secrets hidden throughout them.
>>719509523>Universe RollTo be fair, everyone looked like shit in that.
>>719503447>>719504541There is a reason for it, but you wouldn't know it unless you'd read the supplementary materials.The armors take damage and get ruined by the end of each game.The other upgrades are designed for maximum power output at the cost of durability, they burn out fast.And supposedly they were actually made by Wily as a final fuck-you to Light by enabling X to wage war.
>>719509634Good luck.
>>719509741Fourth and Falcon armors confirmed for best armors.
>>719509457Why are you gay?
>>719507825Remember that they're robots, so they're fucking heavy. That means they need a solid base to stand on, which makes the perma-boot ideal. There's no purpose to add toes with limited articulation, which would be easily snapped-off weak points for just the sake of cosmetics. Even something like boobs on the reploid girls could serve as component housing or armor plates, so they have intrinsic value beyond looks.
>>719509295what space brojust get out of the way
>>719509520Yes.
>>719486736>Why is he like this?Bad level design, especially when there's a leap of faith and you have to jump off the left or right of a platform, and if you choose the wrong way you die.
Does X have hair on his head?Does Rock go to school like a kid?
>>719510375In the mangas and comic books they have hair, and Rock does attend school in the Brazilian comic.
>>719510375Light doesn't want to pay for tuition.
>>719510496He's a doctor, he can teach them himself
>>719510326To be honest, I don't recall very many actual leaps of faith areas in either classic or X series, and most of the time in classic where you'd jump downward into a screen transition, even if it was above a pit or spikes you'd have time to reposition yourself during the screen moving.MMZero on the other hand...
>>719505412AHAHAHA
>>719510375
>>719510375X has no hair.Rock and Roll were built to be Light's personal butler and maid, no time for school.
>>719504541>>719506346X literally starts keeping one armor set from the previous game in X5 and X6 but they get nerfed and the explenation is that they were damaged so my headcanon is that X damages and loses the armors during the final boss of every game except for Fourth and Falcon Armor.
>>719505312
>>719511141What if seeing other people unhappy makes me happy? Ever thought of that Star Man you little bitch? No, you didn't because you're a prancing flimsy homo who dies to fucking water.
>>719488405Beaten by a hanging wall over a pit.
>>719505775>Didn't have slow as fuck bossesMy guy, almost every boss is an rpg battle. Attack, wait for boss, attack, wait for boss, and that's buster fights. Even with weakness the same shit happens, it's not even spark mandrill syndrome, you actually have to wait for the boss to come back holy shit.>>719509497I'm not even placing 5 high, I'm saying it has equal amount of shit as 4. They're in the same tier and way below snes trilogy
>>719511452Terrible level design... My one weakness...
>>719498903Sure, but some guys want to do a base X run and that's one of the few ways to beat that level as base X.
>>719511578X5 is stop, go, stop, go in its very level design, at least before you get the Falcon Armor anyways. Even that can't solve a shit stage like Tidal Whale though. X4's levels are dirt simple but at least you can achieve a flow state in them. First half of Cyber Peacock's stage is arguably peak X.
I'm tired of pretending that the Zero series was bad. Inti cooked.
>>719489036x8 16 bit is pretty darn good.
>>719511851Almost nobody says this. Though there are some people who do unfairly malign the zx games.
>>719508576>Her Black Latex Suit is her actual skinHow would you control your excitement when going out with her?
>>719512060Listen to Innocence to distract myself.
>>719509457me too dude
>>719508904>MM11 was a extremely mediocre game on top of it.Was it worth the 8 year wait? Honestly I did not think it was. And the fact that they even created a cliffhanger on that game as well. “Wily's Plans have only just begun” as he states when you beat him
>>719511776>Tidal Whale Ngmi. I could go either way with X4 or x5's level designs. Like I said, they're either equally as bad or equally as good. Was just baffled at that anon saying X4 bosses weren't slow when it's the worst offender
>>719511851Zero feels like it doesn't know what it's going for. It has the whole ranking system to facilitate skillful play, but then it has the elf system for less skilled play and while the dissonance between the two gets softer as the games go on, the two ideas never truly get to feeling like they belong in the same game. That's before you get to silly stuff like the screen crunch, the weapon level grinding in the earlier games, and the very streamlined platforming. At least with that last one though it's halfway justified in the rhythmic combat pacing, though even that sometimes can feel a bit too "gotcha". I dunno, series just never worked for me. I don't even care for their messy storylines.
>>719507305>7 in SInsanely based. Classic serious honestly peaked here for me.
>>719512308b-but muh 8-bit! M-Muh sprites are too big!
HIS NAME IS DUFF MCWHALEN
>>719489372>>719489491Then what do you call Zero and ZX's mess of a world
>>719489491But seriously why are 99% of mavericks furries?
>>719512471ZX is institutionalized guro land with everyone getting chopped up and turned into cyborgs at a very young age.
>>719509396>All those beautiful robot babes>All he can think about is a Mermaid that appeared in one gameYou’re just as lame as the Queen Ripple fans and wow would you look at that? Ripple also appears in only one game. Kek and before you get back at me, Roll and Alia appear in more than one game
>>719512251I don't see a lot of good in X5's level designs. Rosered's the only one that I would say is kinda up to snuff and that's a zipline stage. The Sigma stages are solid, but the bosses with their inflated health pools suck all the fun out of them at the very end.
>>719512060>>719512183she just has her pussy out like that, it's amazing how albert not once called her a whore
>>719512567When you read between the lines, all of the Reploids that become Mavericks are specialized workers. A Penguin for an arctic region, a Chameleon for the forest, etc. It's likely that for each of the purposes they were designed, their creators decided to use animals to highly specialize them in each and every facet possible. It's the Mavericks that either were built solely for conflict, like Vile, or take their mind and destiny into their own hands, like Sigma, as general purpose entities involved with the Maverick Hunters, that buck the trends usually; the more versatile you are, the more "human" you are.
>>719512308I hate how 8 ditched the Rush Adapater for Megaman (it should’ve been a mainstay) while Bass got to keep his Treble Boost and even in the damn 8 bit MM10
>>719512212>was it worth the waitNo it really wasn't.I appreciated that they didn't just remake MM2 again ala MM9, and it was a nice palette cleanser after Mighty No. 9, but that's really it.
>>719512759But where is the suspiciously wealthy furfag funding their development?
>>719512060>>719512665It's never confirmed if its a latex suit or the skin
>>719512873The fucked up part is realizing that things became so broad and centralized that Reploids ended up heading the production of more Reploids. Says a lot.
>>719512307The mid- and high-tier elves are designed to be overpowered as shit, so the rank demerit is somewhat justified. Like here's the thing. There are elves in MMZ1 straight up designed to completely turn the game into straight up easy mode. The top-tier Nurse elf doubles your HP. The top-tier animal elf doubles your defense, meaning you take half damage. The top-tier hacker elf erases all spike hazards from all stages. One of the mid-tier elves prevents you from falling into bottomless pits. You pretty much can't die anymore. None of the game is actually balanced around you having these abilities. And if you really want to know what it would be like to play MMZ1 with all elf abilities and no rank demerits, just play Casual Scenario Mode. It's just the Normal Mode with all permanent elves active. These broken-ass powers coupled with the game not really being balanced around using them are the reason for the rank demerits.
>>719513078This, it's why they usually locked shit like Jackson mode or Ultimate form behind practically 100%ing the game. It's meant for replays where you steamroll literally everything.
>>719513078At which point it turns into another game entirely. I just get annoyed that Zero doesn't want to commit to one direction or the other when previous subseries let you do whatever the fuck without giving you much shit for it, X5 being the prevailing exception and look at how popular that game's ranking and RNG systems are. To me, Zero tries way too hard to fix ideas that weren't broken.
>>719513428They wanted the Zero games to be harder compared to other games, but they also had to give casual players a way out. Cyber Elves are a compromise.
>>719503235Man I'm kinda sad the gacha died, so many good re-designs and new portraits lost forever, why is Capcom so garbage
>>719513610
The way I figure, the reason using elves tanks the ranking system is probably because using them makes ranks pointless. Once you use elves, it's no longer really a measure of skill or mastery of a stage anymore. In Z1, ranks are purely there just for show. Just bragging rights. But there's nothing to brag about in regards to elf usage.
>>719491620>hmmm, let me drop this incredibly unstable, and apparently easily replicatable superweapon where it can be found by, WHO FUCKING KNOWS!? Is it wise to even DO this? Surely it will fall into the hands of intelligent trust worthy people! Years of dealing with Dr. Wily have definitely taught me to just leave my world altering super technology around where anyone can find and misuse it!Okay, so its a pretty corny story that doesnt have a very deep plot, but that was pretty fucking stupid. We can maybe not call him evil, but perhaps say hes guilty of supreme negligence. It could have AT LEAST been hand waived by saying that Dr. Light had a successor in mind, but something happened to him or something.
>>719498086Off the top of my head they never actually mention what the hell happened to him, he's just never mentioned again outside of manuals (Repliforce in X4 was apparently his idea). Maverick Hunter X notably kills him in the Day of Sigma OVA so they don't have to keep track of him.
>>719513757You got mods for Offline at least that restore the collabs, and then some.
>>719513757Least in X Dives case, it still survives via the Offline version.
>>719486930Mega_man_X6.jpg
>>719496413X9 should have a level design akin to the new shinobi, giant levels with shit to discover.
>>719513934God, Marino was so based.
>>719513868The thing is he used the morality testing, the sealed chamber, warnings on it and everything possible to make it clear that anyone tangling with that shit should probably not try to replicate his work without clause or consideration. About the biggest goof he made was simply making X in the first place knowing his years were coming to an end.
>>719514020Someone post "that gif" of the Wily stage in MM9.
>>719503447The SNES games' only say-so is an ancient magazine scan which states X is returning his armor to the Light Capsules so it can be upgraded each time (X2 is a literally upgraded version of X1's armor and so on for X3's armor)Explanation is still plausible up to X5 (Fourth Armor could feasibly be an upgrade of Max Armor) where sets based on heaven and earth are introduced in Falcon and Gaia Armors and every subsequent game except X7 has multiple armors
>>719514172Over time, it's become apparent that the Light capsules don't actually need previous armors to begin working on the next set of upgrades. They seem to just be capable of taking shit from their surroundings and working something out from that.
>>719513951>>719513934Yeah but we could have gotten so much more, I kinda wanted them to expand on Cinnamon and give her more stuffAlso X Dive hoenstly doesn't play that well, I'm not sure how to explain it but the dash + jump is super unresponsive a lot of times, not sure if it is the engine
>>719514110Not quite. His biggest goof was not being able to anticipate the most likely outcome. The fact that his tech would immediately be replicated. It was plain irresponsible to leave X behind posthumously. And the consequences were exactly what he should have feared. They didnt wake X up early. Worse, they made a gorillion clones the fucked up the world beyond repair. Again, it only would have made sense if he had a successor that was ready to take over that died or something. They could explain it all away in a couple slideshows with text and get away with it honestly.
>>719514479It was only a matter of time. All Light did was expedite the inevitable.
>>719513868Light was just extremely naive>I'm good this time, honest, help me build this giant super killer robot for... peace... yeah that's it.>No it's not me I swear I'm dead, it's actually this Russian guy>No it's not me honest, it's Protoman. Yeah he built his own castle and everything.>Ok... hear me out, It's not me, it's this other guy that just looks like me.>Yeah it's me this time. Ok. But I promise I'll never do it again. Please don't kill me.>Alright this time I swear it's not me, it's actually you! How dare you!>Look I know what you're thinking... but I had nothing to do with Roboenza.
>>719513868He didn't leave behind a superweapon, he left behind a son...
>>719504541He sold them inbetween games for money cause he's broke. wait wrong game
Alright boys, choose your queen.
>>719514776B Class hunters don't get paid as well as S class.
>>719514958IMAGINE the paychecks X receives
>>719514890a
>>719514890Come on robot fish wife
>>719514890we can't get dubs you doofus, which locks out the best waifus
astroboy had a much better plot, but roll is cuter than uran>>719514890
>>719514890What, no Another?
>>719514890no idea how this works but lets go
>>719514890here goes nothing
>>719515183Your tens digit is 8, and your ones digit is 3. You get the booty bitch.
>>719515245Good, she can meet my booty face to face.
>>719514890god damn it. rollan
>>719514890Rolling for Marino.
>>719515305fuck you i was the one who got her first you whore
>>719515397>TronALSO ACCEPTABLE
>>719496413Make a new series inspired by X/ZX stuff that tries to have a concise narrative and world building, theres no point in going back to the orignal stuff.And make another for Legends since that's too different.
>>719514958I'm sure X gets paid more than the average B-class thanks to A) seniority B) being a former interim leader of the Maverick Hunters C) being one of the few Hunters to not join Sigma during his initial coup, D) being one of just two Hunters capable of defeating Sigma (one of whom was dead for a while) and E) the insane turnover rate of the Maverick Hunters due to the constant desertions, turning Maverick or dying on the job. Like I don't think X cares that much about pay but there's no way he's being paid less than Zero. Also, he's probably not a B-rank Hunter anymore. All mentions of X's rank ceased after X5.
>>719506346I used to think he just absorbs them somehow, then i made up a headcanon once to explain it, each armor upgrade also contains internal instructions on how X's system can fully integrate the improvements, this would result in having the default look over time but becoming stronger, also explaining how he stays relevant against newer generations of reploids.Although it falls apart for the more radical upgrades sure
>>719514890roll pls
>>719514890gimme
>>719514890show me the money
>>719516898rip
>>719516898fuck
>>719496413>and then there's me, sitting in my own little corner
>>719512471I mean Zero is amidst an energy crisis. It technically isn't that bad for mankind because Copy X was prioritizing them to the point he was killing Reploids for it. The survivors called Neo Arcadia an utopia until Weil took over.So it only went to shit in Zero 3. People were just less focused on making robots and more focused on making Energy means.Zero 4 the world is left scarred.It then starts recovering and by ZX is still recovering due to the biometals. But at very least Albert proves they reached capacity of producing strong reploids capable of rivaling X and Zero('s chosen ones).Though the caveat is now people are forced to become cyborgs since young age.
>>719490265>gotten pissed off by robot masters too many times.So there were robot uprisings before after mega man but before mmx? Or are you mega man's adventures the "pissed off by robot masters" you're referring to?'Cause I'd take take a kino really dark "survive by the skin of your teeth" MMX prequel where you're a human who has to fight the robots but you're just a guy with no superpowers or anything, just guts and luck. Yeah this sounds a lot like Act 2 but I didn't think of that until I wrote it; Act 2 is also obviously before Light's death so it's not really the same.
>>719514890I want Sol Titanian.
>>719489036x5-x6 ain't bad, but they're disappointments. x7 is so fucking garbage I launched it and 10 seconds in my gamer sense instantly told me it was trashx8 is another mild game. x6 has a few decent songs tho. like HOLY GODDAMN
>>719517026if they don't step up for x9, i could easily see star force 4 being better than all of them
>>719511141Jesus answering to Reddit and /v/
>>719518420X6 is Wasted Potential: The Video Game>more interesting special weapons, Zero special techniques, and armors than X5 (seriously almost all of X5's Zero techniques are reskins of X4's, and the ones that aren't are X's Soul Body from X4 and an unaltered lift of X's Dark Hold in X5)>reanimated Zero's saber combo>Falcon Armor is only barely above unarmored X, Blade Armor is what you choose if you want a traditional generalist armor instead of being given it from the start like X5 (since Falcon and Gaea are gimmick armors)>vaguely more coherent plot than X5, stopped circlejerking Zero so fucking hard while still having Zero as a central figure and focal point>Sigma is only sort-of the real villain>Amazing OST>tried to reprise X1's idea of stages changing depending on defeated bossesCompletely kneecapped by being farted out in only a few months
>>719518312isn't she like the ONLY female, non-guardian boss in all of Zero, since Foxtar was a guy in Japan and Anubis Necromancess wasn't? maybe the bear one from the first game was a girl too, I can't remember
>>719496010>Staff want fix whole fuckery from PSX games for collection>Capcom said no and everything is is straight portAt least run it native instead of emulation.
>>719519797Wasn't the drill flower from Z4 also a grill?
>>719519797Poler Kamrous and Noble Mandrago are also female reploids
>>719518272>Or are you mega man's adventures the "pissed off by robot masters" you're referring to?This, I mean it takes only so many times before people get tired of super advanced robots getting hijacked and wrecking shit. Toasters rebelling aren't as dangerous as microwaves rebelling.
>want to get into Mega Man X>fucking hate Inafune's art style>the Zero games look infinitely cooler and better>will feel like a secondary if I don't force myself through the X games firstWhy is it like this?
>>719521047You only need to play up to X5 since it was here were the Zero series got made. Everything that came after doesn't matter except maybe axl if you want to be surprised by the twist in ZX advent.
>>719514890Rolling
>>719521047>fucking hate Inafune's art styleYou never have to look at it once in-game, so what's the problem?
>>719505412>shit dice roll>but remembering you play as X all the time>you get all the life ups as well>gets to clap Zero's green robo-tits at his strongest plus the ultimate armor
But can you finish X6 without taking any hits as armorless X?
>>719486736His self destruct button is in his butthole which is why this happens when he falls on spikes, it’s part of the old megaman anti-gay agenda
>>719521094THat's a lot of games for someone who fucking sucks at these games and never played them.>>719521129All the spritework is done in his style. I fucking hate the way everything looks. It's like Sonic sprites if they were bad.
>>719496010You could extend Mega Man's jump distance in MM2 by pausing and unpausing the game a lot once he reaches the apex of the jump
>>719486736Is it possible for us to get ZX3 or X9?
>>719521652If anyone takes over Mega Man stuff in the future, they would have no reason but whining fans to try to continue plotlines long abandoned, so I can't imagine ZX3 or X9 are priorities. Maybe reboots, but it's not like you can just do another numbered game in the sequel series ala MM11 where there's nothing to care for overall baggage.
Copy X is just Uncle Ruckus if he were a robot instead of black
>>719512471Generic 80's scifi book made by an anti fascist with dubiously questionably moral believes as a megaman x game
>>719522604what's the robot equivalent of nigga?
>>719523217clanker
>>719523243doesn't that just refer to robot fuckers?
>>719512471Zero is Casshern sins but without a dog.
>>719523217MAVERICK
>>719523217>>719523243NiggA should be clanka. You can still say that in the 2190s but by the time 2210 rolls around they'll make that off-limits too.
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>>719486736So why can't Needle Man instakill him? Is it different because they're needles and needles are totally different
>>719523837We've been over this, gravity is the difference.
>>719519728X6 Tweaks bumps the game up from a 3 or 4/10 to like a low 6/10 if it's any consolation.
>>719514890the nurse? well i'll just crack her to paly my pc on her chest
>>719491119Mavericks were a thing before the Zero virus, because for the reploids, like for any machine, it was possible for them to have design flaws. But it was the Zero Virus that took that problem into another level.It went from the robot is malfunctioning to the robot is now a terrorist
>>719495045We've been getting a Sonic 06-esque push where contrarians are saying that X6 is good now actually
>>719514890giev Kalinka.
>>719524652X6 isn't good but it's not as aggressively boring as X5. No high bars are being cleared here.
>>719495017Reploids can't feel the same way X or humans, they approach a similar level, but they still behave different.Zero learned to feel but his level of empathy is also different.
>>719524854>Zero learned to feel but his level of empathy is also different.Reminder Zero literally cannot cry.
>>719524652X6 is Sonic 06X5 is DMC2.
>>719491119>>719524630Basically before the events of X3 it's reasonably to assume rather than the virus, most Reploids were either doing it out design flaw or free will. Aside Sigma that got the virus in that fight against Zero. X3 is where viruses start entering the plot even if not necessarily the Wily Virus.It's heavily implied Vile is a Maverick due to design flaw for example as he is made to fight and enjoys fighting so much he extends the battles. As if somewhere his programming was meant to give pleasure in ending a fight but he got pleasure in the act and the destruction. While Mavericks from the Repliforce seemingly were in their full faculties. Well, most of them.
>>719524854>Zero learned to feel but his level of empathy is also different.You know one of my biggest problems was them making a big deal of X being unique even though Zero acted pretty humane. I didn't consider that he may have actually learned along the way like how he learns skills.
>>719525874I do like the angle Z4 left off on, that Zero was basically aware he was an engine of destruction with no ulterior purpose of his own, but he was a very good one that trusted himself to be pointed in the direction of justice by people like X and Ciel
>>719525874From what can be gleamed, the two are a very interesting opposition of development. X from the start was like a child or teenager forced to be morally correct from a hundred years of testing, and his hesitation and dislike for violence is quite literally coined as the suffering chip depending on what you look at; his development soured him because his naivete had to be exchanged for practicality, but at the end of the day, even his lowest, X still believed in those around him to do the right thing. Built to learn, to grow, to advance and develop on his own as the paradigm of advancement for all robotics into pure sentience.Zero didn't have any of that, and instead was built to be a war machine. His virus was, in all actuality, a buffer overflow; it was meant to spite Light perhaps, yes, but also if we go by X-Dive as any sort of idea of additions to canon, he was too violent to ever hope to control so the virus got introduced to stabilize him. When purged of his irregularities by it transferring over to Sigma, Zero was merely an advanced robot with none of X's unique qualities or empathy, and yet through Wily's obsession to surpass Light and by being there alongside X almost every step of the way, Zero grew on his own accord to be equal to or even arguably superior - at the same time he himself came to a darker equivalent of X's own conclusion by believing in everyone around him at the expense of himself.Built to surpass, or to evolve, the lines blurred whichever way they came simply because the machines had grown hearts, no matter how fractured they became.
>>719525775A lot of earlier Maverick activity was due to malfunction. This was probably the main reason for the 30 year diagnostics period. After all, you can't really guarantee that an AI with the same degree of complexity and free will as a human being doesn't have some programming error or hardware issue without a fuckton of testing. But there was no way for Dr. Light to perform those tests himself since he didn't have that long to live. Can you imagine how fucked things would get if X's brain actually short-circuited? Well you don't have to imagine, we have an example of that: Zero. Wily fucked up his programming so Zero was born complete insane and uncontrollable.The first generation Reploids were probably prone to these sorts of issues due to lack of testing. Reploids in the early days were regularly going berserk due to some hardware flaw or programming error. These guys probably have hundreds of thousands of lines of code running through their heads at any given time, and if even the smallest thing went wrong, shit would get fucked. But over time, I'd imagine most of these issues got ironed out. So soon after, the majority of Mavericks are just assholes, as you can see from those who first joined Sigma.
>>719526252>if we go by X-Dive as any sort of idea of additions to canon, he was too violent to ever hope to control so the virus got introduced to stabilize him.Oh boy I actually do need to play Dive.This actually matches the material that stated Zero wasn't exposed to the virus when he woke up (Berserk) which then made him a normal robot. People theorizing the virus was meant to work as a patch of sorts on him into a desired personality (Awakened) but he only got a portion of it (ending as the Zero we know).>Zero was merely an advanced robot with none of X's unique qualities or empathy, and yet through Wily's obsession to surpass Light and by being there alongside X almost every step of the way, Zero grew on his own accord to be equal to or even arguably superior - at the same time he himself came to a darker equivalent of X's own conclusion by believing in everyone around him at the expense of himself.>Built to surpass, or to evolve, the lines blurred whichever way they came simply because the machines had grown hearts, no matter how fractured they became.I really like this spin to it
>>719525141pretty sure x7 is more comparable to sonic 06
>>719526526The virus clearly wasn't designed as a patch from the start. It just inadvertently had that effect on Zero. If Wily actually intended to use the virus as a patch, why didn't he administer it earlier? Why did he seal both him and the virus away? Wily clearly had absolutely no idea that the virus would stabilize Zero back when he was alive.
>>719526664X7 is Sonic and the Secret Rings
>>719526731i'll take that since secret rings is worse than 06
>>719526801Did wonders for Sonic's character though. One of the few times I actually thought he was kinda cool.
>>719526801>06>Took an established formula and did something shitty>Secret Rings>Did something new and was even shittierChecks out
>>719512060Oh right I forgot thats also a beep boop not a human
>>719526670Also, this fits with Wily's general pattern. Most of Wily's greatest accomplishments were accidents. Total fuckups. Additionally, it's implied that Wily developed the virus concurrently with Zero, but there's no way he could have predicted that Zero would have woken up insane, meaning it's impossible for him to have developed the virus for the specific purpose of fixing Zero.
>>719526670>>719527026So like, he intended for Zero (Awakened) and a Virus to fuck up Light's creation.But he botched both ups, Zero was way too violent, and the Virus thing stabilizing Zero was sheer dumb luck? And I guess, his Ghost Virus later just improvised and work around that after he died.
Is Mega Man even fun? I've only played X1 and it was fine but I didn't do any secrets or any "routing" I just fought whoever looked cool and then beat the game.I've Also played "ZXX Advent" or something and it wasn't really good. Never finished it.
>>719527187I dunno if he knew about X. A lot of people seem to believe that Wily learned about X from X7 when Bass ransacked Light's lab, but nothing really indicates that Light even started on X at that point. Near as I can tell, Zero was just meant to fight Mega Man himself.Zero's madness was the result of Wily fucking up during development. The virus was a separate pet project, but after Wily deemed Zero a failure, he sealed both away and gave up. Somehow, a version of Wily survived into the future, seemingly taking on the form of Serges and later Isoc. The "Zero Virus" in X5 was a modified version of the Sigma Virus, which itself was a mutated version of the original virus that was sealed alongside Zero. So the implication is that Wil learned about what happened with Zero and the virus and came up with the idea to create a new strain of the virus with the specific purpose of bombarding Zero with it and forcing him to awaken properly.
Remember the Reploid who became the first Maverick.
>>719527430Being a chef is absolute hell so I don't blame him.
>>719527384try playing the classics, some more X games, maybe one of the ohter subseries if you prefer that genre etcmaybe the series isnt for you
>>719527625Maybe. I liked some of the Classicvanias and Shovel Knight, I just really haven't given the series a real shot.
>>719527684Could try giving the Battle Network series a shot.
>>719527760They look pretty fun. Which ones let you play as Zero? I wanna play the ones where you get a beam blade and Zero has a beam blade iirc.
>>719527839x4 -x8 and the zero series
>>719496413Capcom is dead to me. It's over. It's not happening. Megaman has been snubbed for another near-decade. And even if they did come back, at the rate they're releasing I might have 4 more Megaman games left in my lifespan. And even then, they'd only be Megaman classic.
>>719498314>frog post>terrible opinionX5 is just X4 without a budget
Why was Vile so fucking powerful anyway?
>>719528414Well he was built for combat so it only made sense to make him a war machine.
>>719514890Turns out I'm OK with a lot of options. But I think I'd prefer Layer or Levi.
>>719528414He was already a top class Hunter, and he invested heavily into modifying his body to be even more specialized in combat. On top of that, he had a custom-build, top-class Ride Armor. That said, it's hard to comprehend why they keep bringing him back. Since everything that makes Vile special comes from just having expensive weapons and hardware, on paper, there's no real need to go through the trouble of restoring his AI. It's not like he's some kind of unrivaled tactician or combat genius or anything. All he ever does is go full unga bunga with a Ride Armor.
>>719528414Vile was a jobber who needed a ride armor at all times to be relevant.
>>719528492>AsheI can live with this.
>>719486930/v/intage
>>719528558>it's hard to comprehend why they keep bringing him back.In universe, there's no good reason, except maybe he REALLY hates X. But obviously, he really comes back so much because there's so few important villains in the X series that they have to dig him up or it would just be Sigma wank all the time.What they should have done is introduce plot relevant characters more often, and then not fucking KILL them every game so you don't have to do bullshit resurrection just to show up again.
>>719528820They did have Dynamo, but in the end the one thing he had over X's other enemies is that he knows when to call it quits and run away. They talked him up, but it never seemed to me like he was particularly strong or talented. He's just the only one with a self-preservation instinct.
>>719514958>B Class hunters don't get paid as well as S class.It's absurd that saving the world isn't an automatic bump up to at least S class
>>719528903Dynamo was too little, too late. And yeah, he just comes off as a random asshole mostly disconnected from the plot. I don't hate that they tried to finally introduce a real character like him. They were just really slow to realize it was needed.
>>719528564He didn't. That's the weird part, he is explicitly using the Ride Armor as a toy so he doesn't destroy things as fast. It's more like a handicap to him.
>>719529048That seems odd. The the second Ride Armor was completely invincible.
>>719529203Later ride armors were probably a salty runback on his part, and/or the devs realizing that yeah most of his power actually was in his ride armor
>>719505057>X3 is easily the weakest of the SNES trilogy but I still consider it good despite its shortcomings.Yeah, that sounds right
>>719529262Zero was able to easily damage the first one, but he couldn't do shit to the second. So yeah, I think Vile definitely decided to up his game for Zero.
>>719489036You should play x8It's a fantastic game and the soundtrack is kino for the last fight. https://youtu.be/MqJYKu9rHPU
>>719529385Play the X8 16 bit fan remake insteadhttps://sonicfangameshq.com/forums/showcase/mega-man-x8-16-bit.2184/
>>719529454Turning a few weapons and their charged versions into Axl or Zero weaponry was an amazing choice for rounding out the shittier weapons in X8's arsenal
>>719529546The real issue is that most of X's weapons don't even matter in X8. His X-Buster is so overtuned that there's not much reason to use anything else.
>>719529454I'm not really a fan of the demake Plus Layer and the other girls aren't even in. I liked their addition to X8 as playable characters.
>>719529750Also Zero isn't in, understandably so, as he's the character with the most massive amount of animations and weapons. Playing on hard and unlocking the ultimate armors for X and Dark zero are nice but they trivialize the fights a bit too much. I wish the game had a harder mode or bosses with a bit more HP. Even in the demake, Sigma and Lumine are too easy
>>719529656Hardly the first X game to have that problem but I do agree that X8 falls into a lot of the same pitfalls as X's shittier weaponry>Shining Ray is flat-out fucking useless same as Rising Fire and Wing Spiral>Squeeze Bomb's too weak to get anything bigger than the little lightbulb enemies, a charged shot is a full-room projectile cancelation which isn't useful because X8 isn't a bullet hell>Melt Creeper is slow and nothing's really low enough to warrant a Ground Hunter weapon (Ground Hunter itself in X4 had this problem to a lesser degree)>Shadow Runner, Green Spinner, Thunder Dancer and Drift Diamond are all outclassed by X-Buster>Crystal Wall is neat but niche and not useful for combat, reminds me of Crystal Snail's weapon and the Ice Wall from MM&B
>>719529993X's weapon issues started probably around X5. Combined with the increased emphasis on armor upgrades and you see how we reached the point we're at today. X was also hilariously broken in X7. A charged shot made short work of everything.
>>719486930
>>719487421KEKClassic
>>719529454woah, looks better than X2-X3>>719529917>Also Zero isn't well shit
>>719530516Game was designed for X first and foremostTrade-off is Icarus and Hermes armors are both a little bit more useful while still being identifiably themselves, and X's special weapons roster is a lot tighterThere's mods floating around to replace X with Zero or Axl but I haven't kept track of their progress
>>719512896its easy>>719512060 is skin from being burned alive as a kid during the incident in the park>>719512665 just a body suit
>>719486736Spikes are pointy and hurt :((
>>719494697When I was a kid I felt needle man was a beast in damage output, which made sense to me.
>>719495690You are just saying random stuff, the only stage that is almost impossible to beat unarmored is the ocean one
>>719514890Rollan
>>719496413I would need to be a kid again to get exited for a zx3. I kind of stopped caring for the world they had made, and I ultimately found the zero games to be more engaging.
Reading this thread made me curious about the X games I haven't played (namely X5 to 8). I briefly skimmed the wikipedia article.>Zero also has a slightly less powerful saber, but is able to use his Z-Buster in exchange.>This function can only be used if the player starts the game as Zero. So you can play as both characters and swap between them but you still lose out on functions for not picking one to start? What's the point?> One half of the Mavericks possess the pieces for the Enigma and the other for the shuttle. There is a chance that either plan may fail which can change the ending and boss battles, providing for a non-linear progression throughout the gameSo this is like the Zero parts in X2 but instead of it guaranteeing you get a certain ending, sometimes it just says fuck you anyways? Also somehow X6 is worse than this game?
>>719531328The Z-Buster is mostly superfluous so it's not much of a loss.
>>719531328>So you can play as both characters and swap between them but you still lose out on functions for not picking one to start? What's the point?It was a stupid gimmick to try to enforce a plot risk for the characters and try to make you stick to one character more arbitrarily. Unless you genuinely plan on never playing X all playthrough long, which will lock you out of certain shit unless you know the Ultimate Armor secret and leave certain collecting strictly for endgame (or play the Improvements Addendum hack which doesn't take anything away and gives both characters all heart tanks collected instead of just who grabbed it), you may as well always use X for the intro stage to keep his armor since losing Zero's Z-Buster barely matters; it's only abusable in X6, and is nigh useless in X5.>So this is like the Zero parts in X2 but instead of it guaranteeing you get a certain ending, sometimes it just says fuck you anyways?You can load a save to try again, unless you're playing the X Collection on PS2 which fucked up the RNG generator, but it can be a bit stupid sometimes. Same hack as before will make the chances far better, with the shuttle being 100% for good ending if you get all the parts.>Also somehow X6 is worse than this game?I could go on about it but that would require its own post. And some people actually prefer X6 simply because it at least has a chaotic, kinetic energy to it versus the bullshit slog of X5.
>>719526731I actually liked Secret Rings. Beat it twice back in the day. God, 2007 is "back in the day" now.
>>719486736he's bisexual
>>719486930I remember that there was an enemy that can do exactly this in some if Megaman games.
>>719526664>>719526731If we want to make it wholly analagous to Sonic, X5 would probably be Forces, which is worse than 06 so it tracks
>>719507974My man
>>719531328Context is needed for X6. It is inarguably better from a conceptual standpoint but the reality is that it was an 11th hour cash grab as the PS1 was being phased out for the PS2. The game was outsourced and developed so quickly that Inafune, the fucking producer of the series, didn't even know it was being made. Granted, by this point MMZ was where his attention was and he didn't even care about X5's development, but even so it speaks to how fast of a sweatshop development X6 had and it shows. More than one level feels like a copy-paste rushjob of grab bag assets and unplaytested level designs. Had it had even another 3 months of development it would likely be a significantly better game but that's now how it happened.
>>719489862To be fair, copy X was a good copy, only missed the copy weapon ability. Then they- Skip the moral testing- Name him god king of the world- in times of crisisSo he broke like the bitch he was a took the easiest solution to solve the crisis: genocide the reploids.
>>719514890The die is cast
>>719532146Even X5 seemed to have a low budget. The PS1 Mega Man games just got progressively uglier and uglier. X4 looked worse than MM8 in terms of overall asset quality.
So are Mega Man, and "X", and the guy from Legends, and the others (but probably not exe from BN since he's data) all the same person going through stages of hardware and software upgrades over different eras? Ignoring any Ship of Theseus problem that would rise, unless it's part of the story like with Zero.
>>719532520Nope. All different robots altogether.
>>719486736he weighs like 1000 poundsthat's almost twice what you weigh, imagine you falling on to spikes
>>719532475Everyone keeps bringing up moral testing, but what made X an excellent leader was his centuries of experience. Zero said it best himself, X wasn't as naive as the copy. The reason Copy-X failed was because he was practically a newborn thrust into the position of ultimate power. No one can become a proper leader straight out of the womb, not even a robot. X was righteous, but he also had more experience than literally anyone. You can't replicate that with data alone.
The thread is dying. Hear me out, what if making a Megaman 3D like Vanquish?
>>719532475Fundamentally all they really did was copy his body and abilities, but taken from a realistic perspective between his making and MMZ1's start, he's at best a five year old told to be the god king emperor of humanity and that he's the greatest hero to have ever lived. And he probably knows the entire time that he's still just a copy of the real deal. It's not much wonder he not only took a shit solution since no one was willing to talk back to him, but flipped his shit like a toddler throwing a tantrum when Zero put him in time out for the first time ever. Dude wasn't so much an evil X so much as he was an X without an opportunity to ever grow up.
>>719532679he was also constantly humbled, he got his ass beat by vile and high max and despite defeating sigma several times he was still a b rank hunter
>>719527430Any place you can see those?
This whole "moral testing" idea wouldn't really prevent someone from going off the deep end or making wrong decisions down the line.
>>719486736By the way, Teppen made it so that X always was a slave to the 3 rules of robotics. So he never had true free will. Zero did tho.
>>719532893https://grabber.zone/comics/mega-man/
>>719532917It wouldn't, especially given it's enabling sentience for machines with weapons regularly installed, but it's at least a minimum safety measure to show someone gave a fuck. The series doesn't really "state" it necessarily, but pretty much Dr. Cain set into motion an endless repetition of power and development, a Lensman arms race, where the safety measures went out the window; whether they would've mattered isn't so much the relevant point as it is the notable one since it just makes everyone involved seem even more suicidal and reckless.
>>719533065The ultimate point is that Reploids are identical in mentality to humans. It means they share both our strengths and our flaws. This is merely the natural result of creating superpowered robots with identical mental faculties as humans. Look at the retarded bullshit we get up to every day. How many wars? How much nonsense? And they made war machines in our image.This is the inherent consequence of creating Reploids. If you truly didn't want Reploids to do stupid bullshit, you shouldn't make them sentient to begin with.
>>719532497Again, Inafune didn't care about X5. He cared that the story was told since the intent was to bridge into MMZ, but he didn't actually care about the game development itself. X5 and X6 were both victims of executive negligence, there are reasons they are as shit as they are.
>>719533223In a sense a lot of it goes back to Light despite his well intentions, and ironically Mega Man 11 just hammered that down. Wily wanted to make robots into superheroes and saviors, cool- that's quite literally the dream of a lot of robot creators, whether for protecting their soldiers in war, or for handling the dangerous jobs of firefighting and so forth. Light wanted to push robots towards sentience, emotions, and cognizance, pretty much living on a prayer that everything was going to work out, and on what amounted to promises alone he got funding because the series' humanity thought it was a more interesting idea than "merely" supercharging robots for protective duties.Humanity in the Mega Man series has always sold themselves on the dream of advanced robots that would still handle everything for them, without ever thinking that this would bite them in the ass until it was too late - and then just throw more of those robots at the problem rather than risk shutting everything down. They earned the Elf Wars and Weil's takeover of Neo Arcadia, because they were simply too naive to ever take responsibility and think of the consequences. All they saw was potential instead of practical.
>>719521047It literally is the most hardcore saga in the whole franchise, how would you be a secondary while having played it?
>>719533501Shit, in hindsight with Legends accounted for, the only humans in the franchise that ever took responsibility were Ciel, the Trinity and Mega Men of ZX, and the Master who ultimately decided it wasn't worth it to revive humanity solely to take back a drowned planet from the human-like robots that took their place. In a sense you could say that the day Dr. Light decided to go for sentient robots was the day humanity's fate to be replaced by entities identical to them "but better" started. And in the end, those machines were probably the better people overall given what other few glimpses we get of humanity are incompetent, foolish, or out for themselves. And when 2/3rds of Trinity were evil and the few human groups are just intermixed with reploids, the distinguishing line basically cases to exist anyway.
>>719534376The way I figure, it was a catch-22. Because Wily would have created Zero and the virus regardless of whether or not Light created X.
>>719486736He had a dog named Spike that would give him loving playful bites, but he died. Now actual spikes trigger his trauma every time he gets pricked by one, and he literally can't keep it together when that happens.
>>719533501Willy talked about making every robot into a hero but the gear system is more like injecting your workers with adrenaline.That being said, humanity hears 'free thinking robots' and tought that meant the machines would get creative at their jobs instead of demanding freedom and calling the job shit
>>719531983That's the joke, anon.
