The only argument against House is "he might not be able to do what he said he would"
>>719491052nobody who hates house actually thinks he's inferior or incapable it's just a memehouse is the canon obvious choice, yes man is the fun choice, and caesar is the underage edgy choice that you regret when you replay the game again as an adult
>>719491052He's an asshole that cares more about his robots than other people. The NCR is the only logical choice.
>>719491214>nobody who hates house actually thinks he's inferior or incapableSomebody hasn't seen enough NV faction threadsA lot, and I mean a LOT of people thing that House is a pathological liar who only wants to rule over a capitalist slave state with zero progress made towards progression
>>719491252>He's an asshole that cares more about his robots than other peopleshow me just ONE proof of this
>>719491252Are you implying the NCR gives a shit about people? Enjoy the fancy stick, I guess.
>>719491252>He's an asshole that cares more about his robots than other people.I am genuinely curious as to why you think this, because the robots are literally just tools to House so he can accomplish his goals (so are most people, but nonetheless).
>>719491345>House is a pathological liar who only wants to rule over a capitalist slave state with zero progress made towards progressionI can't see anyone trying to actually argue this from a genuine place, because there isn't a single thing in game that point towards this in the slightest. It clear that his whole thing about wanting to eventually go into space and shit isn't him trying to manipulate the Courier. It obviously his actual goal. Whether he can accomplish it is one thing, trying to say he is outright bullshitting is ridiculous. Also he is the only faction, in seemingly any fallout game, with the capacity for long term planning.
>House was originally a more charismatic, fun, happy personality>had to change him because no one was choosing any of the other endings
>>719491861Why do writers make good characters worse instead of making bad characters better?
>>719491861I actually like his no nonsense, megalomaniac lawtist personality.
>>719491861qrd
>>719492040I actually like the version of House they ended up going with more. Him being a genius but abrasive and uncompromising, thus driving away people he otherwise could've easily worked with, is more grounded and fits the "choosing the least bad option" better.
>>719492328Oh, I wholeheartedly agree. I mistook your greentext as a complaint instead of an observation, and wanted to get your thoughts on writing to have a better understanding of your perspective.
>>719491214What about NTR?
>>719491052House is bad because he's controlling.The problem with this argument is that so too is everyone else, every other faction is looking to control, but House at the very least has the robodeathsquad and knowhow to make it work while respecting general autonomy. All other factions are on the back foot and losing ground fast while holding to the gayest ideals imagineable.
>>719491214>>719492474*NCR Oops.
>>719491861I think FNV is mostly a well-written game but Obsidian's ethos while making it was clearly 'everything is le shades of gray, nothing is good or bad, everybody must have extremely complex morals" which is probably part of the reason for the Fiends being cut content (alongside an extremely tight schedule, obviously). Just not a high priority in a game that doesn't want you to be a 'good guy' or 'bad guy'. Yesman is the closest you can get to being pure evil, much moreso than Legion.
>>719491214Picking the "best" option is boring and goes against the spirit of RPGs.
>>719492608Howso? You can Yes-man all the factions into kumbaya-ing peacefully.
>>719492474>>719492554i forgot that was a thing
>>719491052that and the whole he'll send a death squad to you if you don't want to do business with him
>>719492685Yeah, it's just that you actually have options since you're kind of playing a CYOA with him. Kill this faction, leave that one alive, etc. You can be much closer to 'pure good' or 'pure evil' with yesman since it gives you the option to settle everything with as little or as much death as you please. Ultimately, that's because yesman is closer to a backup video game mechanic than a real route in-universe. You can kill every living thing in the game and still finish yesman's route. The point being all the "real" factions are trying to be gray, whereas yesman can be pretty black or white. In my opinion, the main reason for this is because he is intentionally half-assed. He's a backup, not a meaningful part of the world.
>>719491052A leader not being able to do what he promises is kind of a big deal. I'm sorry you don't understand that.
>ask House what's to stop him from abusing his power>his actual serious answer is "I am immune to corruption"
>>719491214NCR is a no-go because it's a hilariously poorly run bureaucracy Legion is a joke because the writers couldn't make a compelling argument that doesn't require you headcanoning all of the perfect conditions for it to work where a bunch of butt fucking larping homos pretend they have a coherent ideology because they know the term "Hegelian dialectic", it will also completely fall apart when KaiZar dies from cancer
>>719491682>I can't see anyone trying to actually argue this from a genuine place, because there isn't a single thing in game that point towards this in the slightest.Welcome to the internet
>>719492951>totally went over his head that it's a criticism that can be leveled against literally everyone and everything, thus making it meaningless
>>719492996He's right though, the NCR is funding proxy wars through a DMV, the legion compromises on its values constantly because "MUH we have to do anything to win" House stubbornly does it his way through to the end
>>719492518Thing is you can circumvent controlling people in the NCR because of the way it's structured. Colonel Moore instructs the Courier to wipe out the Mojave BoS but you can cooperate with Ambassador Crocker and avoid that completely.
>>719493256At which point I may as well side with House who says "I don't care about these people, befriend them or destroy them" or Yesman where I am the biggest fish and choose to do what I want. The NCR and Legion are nonstarters
>>719493153Stubborn doesn't mean incorruptible. House literally claims to be "impervious to corrupting ambitions." He's been huffing his own farts for so long that he genuinely thinks human imperfections do not apply to him.
>>719493092It is especially relevant when House's promises are incredibly outlandish compared to the goals of the other factions. NCR and Legion's goals boil down to "we want to win the war" and Yes Man is just House minus the retarded space travel bullshit. Just because a criticism can be leveled at everyone doesn't mean it doesn't weigh more heavily on some than others. Don't play stupid.
>>719493413And he's still right
>>719491052It is a reasonable argument given the history of humanity's interaction with authority figures that promised it great revitalization, salvation or greatness so long as fealty is given.
>>719491052If you care about Humanity in general, you would side with the Enclave, House and the Institute.
>>719493342That makes zero sense. The whole point of doing things diplomatically instead of wholesale slaughter is that I care about making things better for as many people as possible.
>>719493427Neither the NCR nor the Legion are equipped to scale up. They are struggling while they battle over a tiny fraction of New Vegas. No-one, not even Caesar has the raw Walt Disney ambition required like House has
>>719491052Why did you vote for a pedophile? Why isn't Trump releasing the Epstein.files?
>>719493470Interesting argument... HOWEVER
>>719491052House is just as retarded as Musk isBoth promise to get people in space and both turn out to be nothing but pathetic frauds
>>719493631>>719493673>/pol/schizos have arrivedI have a politics fatigue, specifically the american one
>choosing anything but yes man Tell me you’re a follower instead of a leader without telling me
>>719493665If you're willing to kill House, you may as well go all the way with YesMan>I will kill the most powerful man in Vegas, and then hand it to a bunch of gay bureaucratic dullards or a bunch of literal homos wearing coyote pelts
>>719493768So true, xister, orange hitler and his technotyrant lackey must pay for their crimes against humanity
>>719493673I'm honestly afraid that your retarded opinion will be made canon with the TV show.
>House tells his brain-damaged mailman he'll buy him a spaceship if he wins>Housefags BELIEVED THIS and simp for him unironically
>>719491052hes bad at controlling his subordinatesall 3 of the families are trying to betray him in some way
>>719493806>t. low IQ infidel who will end up as a Yes Man puppet stand inToday AI is your tool, in 5 years it will be your boss
>>719494027E=mc^2+AI
>>719491252“Caring about other people” means using them as disposable canon fodder? With House, the robots die in his wars, with the NCR you and your family die in their wars. I guess the NCR cares about pocketing money from other people’s wallets more than House does, so in that respect the NCR’s “care” for others is only in how much they can steal from others, which isn’t very caring. You either didn’t pay attention to the game, didn’t play it, or are a deluded ideologue who’s been brainwashed into believing that “doing good” means “doing everything the government tells you to do”. >logicalYou’re genuinely incapable of sound logical reasoning but instead of taking this fact to heart you will create some other delusional rationalization to convince yourself that somehow listening to people objectively smarter than you is stupid while listening to yourself (a retard) is somehow smart. You are living proof as to why rationalism is completely incapable of determining truth. You need to abandon your faulty subjective logic in place of objective facts.
>>719493972Seethe more new vegas trannyTodd will shit all over obsidian fanfic and all you can do is watch like a little cuck you are
>>719491252The reverse is true because killing House nets you bad Karma so the only asshole is you and the NCR for committing murder. The stats don’t lie but the NCR does.
>>719494101Thanks, ChatGPT
>>719493991Why would House use fucking space as a manipulation method to get some random wasteland fuck to do what he wants? There is literally no reason to think he's lying when he just out of nowhere mentions a plan to eventually colonize space. That's retarded. What else does the shriveled beef jerky man have to look forward to besides doing cool shit with his unlimited free time?
>>719494135Not my problem all modern billionaires are frauds, but it shouldn't affect how a fictional character is portrayed.
>>719493997This is one of the biggest flaws in his plans. Even IF he's somehow "immune" to corruption (he isn't) he still relies on very-much-corruptible people to put his plans into action. We even see this in the main quest. Benny starts getting ideas, runs off with the chip, and unwittingly delivers it to Caesar. Unless the Courier decides to side with House after getting the chip back, his plans are dead in the water. And this is just one of SEVERAL ways you can fuck over House. All it takes is one gofer with a little ambition and it's over.
>>719492474>NCR status?>Nuked
>>719494545>his flaw is that he's too trusting and cares way more about adherence to contracts than the shitheads he was forced into using to establish New VegasThat just makes me like him more, to be honest. It's why I strive to be a subordinate worthy of his trust.
>>719491252>NCR is the only logical choice Anon take 5 minutes to see what California is like and then come back to me saying they should be the ones in charge of the post apocalypse.
>>719494545So the same exact problem as every other faction but its worse for house because......you said so?
I love that we've had such vehement conversations about the factions in FNV for so long that it spawned a high budget TV show that will now explore the aftermath. Like Jonathan Nolan's been in these threads for sure.
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>>719494027Just kill yes man. Ain’t that hard
>>719493997He also severely underestimates his subordinates. Benny presents a very real threat, but House thinks of him as a dumb tribal wearing a suit. He's confident that no one could understand his technology or impede his plans, and that confidence is completely unjustified.
I dont wanna kill the kings we should've been able to call in a favor with house or something :((((((((
>>719495067couldn't the courier just tell yes man not to get the update that'll make him independent? yes man wouldn't be able to tell him no
>>719492996I mean how do you corrupt House? He's 250 year old sapient beef jerky in a giant sterile pod. Are you going to dump crack cocaine into his piss tube?
>>719491052I've always been a house simp and never understood the hate for him. The man had a plan, a way to do that plan and had a high probability of achieving it.
>>719493991i found several space ships in possession of retarded ghouls, this isnt infeasible
