Game sucked anyways.

yooka tran-ee

You know, they can make this the best game ever, and I still just wont like these characters.
They fell at the first hurdle when it comes to making YL work as a franchise.

>>719491531
No Jontron no buy

That'll be 29.99

>>719491531
>>719491626
That's the thing. This alone + removing the enlarging worls gimmick improved the gam,e drastically.

Basically the remake just proves the Banjo Kazooie formula just doesnt work anymore in this day and age.

Didn't you buy the abilities from a shop anyway? That defeats the whole purpose of gaining abilities anyway. That mechanic is only interesting when the developers put them in specific places.

>>719492564
Metroidvania and rogue likes are the most popular genres right now and both work on the basis that you progress to unlock bigger power retard

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The mechanic that ruined the entire game is the flying one from the last level. It stops being a platformer at all and you can skip 90% of the content by just flying. It's horribly boring and one of the worst and most inexplicable design choices of all time because unlike Banjo-Kazooie and Tooie, you can just use it anywhere and it's only tied to a resource meter that you can fill up easily instead of a consumable.

And you're telling me they give it to you at the START? What's the point of even playing the fucking game then? It's not even a platformer anymore it's a shitty flight sim.

>>719491531
This developer sucks. It’s 1 step forward and 2 steps back with everything they do. There shouldn’t even be a remaster of this game, this should be the release of the 3D sequel. Fuck them

>>719492564
>This alone + removing the enlarging worls gimmick improved the gam,e drastically
Lol, lmao?

>>719492564
expanding the world size was a flawed but intriguing idea that gave this game a sense of identity. Unlocking new moves is always fun, every time you enter a new world you wonder what move you’ll unlock that’ll alter how you play the game. Both of these are erased and instead playtonic has chosen the casual, safe, and simple approach. Now it’s truly just a generic platformer where you aimlessly run around and collect things with no rhythm or reason.

>>719492827
and both of those genres arent banjo kazooie retard

>>719495308
It’s super lucky tale now.

>>719491531
Why couldn't they just implement that when you finish the game or add a cheat cose? it just ruins the fun

>>719491531
The Impossible Lair was so much better. They don't know how to make 3D platformers anymore.

>>719495358
Banjo Tooie is quite literally a metroidvania. Banjo Kazooie has elements of it. Cope and seethe loser

>>719491929
who?

banjo kazooie was a masterpiece.

>>719497010
*banjovania

>>719491713
Yup, truly the zenith of humor. You definitely cracked the code with that banger. Let us know when your Netflix special drops, champ.

Time to accept banjo was shit and move on

>>719491531
Look ma! I posted it again!
https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/image/UUQF91WWCj4SztkAuBvUXg/

>>719491873
Who even designed the BK characters or old Rare characters in general? Was that guy even employed by playtonic when this was being made?

>>719492564
It works fine. It's called Mario Odyssey and DK Bananza, along with higher quality indie games like A Hat In Time or Corn Kids 64.
You can't just conclude a genre doesn't work anymore, because someone makes a really half assed one.

>>719497341
Idk, loot at Diddy Kong Racing dev names and see if there are any on the Playtonic team.

>>719497341
Gregg Mayles, and no. He's actually still at Rare. Pretty much the last guy from that era who is.

>>719497569
You have all your moves from the start tho in those games

>>719497874
DK Bananza you unlock moves and abilities by both progressing in the game and with the talent tree. Mario always incorporates a new gimmick in each game and fully exploits it to its maximum potential by the time the game is over. A hat in time and corn kids have unlockable moves as you progress that alter the levels/game.

>>719497874
did you play bananza

>>719491531
Yeah honestly that's pretty stupid. The gimmick of adding to the maps was not super interesting but it was unique, and they removed that too.

I blame the autistic fucks that NEED to 100% complete a level before moving onto the next.

>>719491531
The first game wasn't even made by the core developers of Banjo, it was mostly some former Rare artists who were not necessarily tied to Banjo itself but came in post-Microsoft buyout. Gregg Mayles who was the main creative force of the series and was directly involved with designing all the Banjo characters was not involved, and the original musician only contributed about half the tracks this time. The Stamper Brothers also weren't involved nor most of the core programmers of Banjo.

>>719491531
9/10 game got better

>>719497874
Not really. In Odyssey the transform mechanic means you gain or drop moves when needed.

>>719493627
They removed flying entirely in the remake

>>719504238
That's one way of balancing it I suppose

>>719495308
>Game takes out the things that make the first one shit and gets better reception, reviews and sales as a result
>“BUT MUH SOOOOOOOOOOOOOVL”
If you have a problem with it play the original one that will remain trash. We will be playing the improved version that fixes everything wrong.

>>719504953
>Game takes out the things that make the first one shit
>the improved version that fixes everything wrong
Did they fix the generic designs? The constant recycling of NPCs? The constant insecure jokes about how shit the game is? The low enemy variety? The overly big yet empty level design? The low amount of unique setpieces in levels? The terrible quizzes? Did they fix the boring missions like travelling through rings for the millionth time or the Kartos sections actually good now? How about the terrible design language where it's unintuitive how some things will work (like how some glass cubes will break by using Yooka's sonar move, but some can only break by using the spin dash)?

A lot of the changes they've been hyping up - the controls, the camera, adding a map and fast travel, removing stamina and the God awful minigames - are good, but I wouldn't even call them the biggest flaws of the game. Plus the art style is much worse, it looks like some HIRE THIS MAN tier bullshit where some retard third worlder slaps some old game into UE4 and cranks up the post processing effects.

>>719505709
>or the Kartos sections
or are the Kartos sections*
>Yooka's sonar move
Laylee's*

Don't drink and post kids.

i played the original release and felt like a game that did everything i hated from banjo tooie

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>>719492564
Except the vast majority of moves you get in Banjo-Kazooie are context sensitive, and you get everything you truly need to start the game in the first level. You're not going to come across a pair of turbo trainers before you're able to acquire the ability to use them for example.

>>719491531
Did they add jontron back? If not then i'm non buynary

>>719504238
wasn't it required for some collectibles and the final boss?

>>719506251
>he did Gobo's valley before freezeezy peak
Marioesque post

>>719507362
The ironic part is that I actually wrote that down but deleted it from my post about how the only time you'd have to backtrack would be for the turbo trainers for Freezeezy Peak

>>719507554
Yeah those are the only levels with any backtracking as you need the turbo trainers and beak bomb to 100% each level. Unironically all the backtracking is why tooie is one of my favorite games I try to play each level as autistically efficient as possible then do the backtracking all in one swoop. I do the same thing in majoras mask with the time cycles

>>719506832
yes. i imagine they changed that shit

>>719506090
I think it was a /vr/fag that put it best saying it's not a spiritual successor to B&K, but everything Rare in general. PT really has a hard-on repeating those Kartos and Rextro minigames even where they don't fit in aesthetically.

Bump

All fields

>>719510875
What in all fields? Corn?

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>>719491531
>They’ve removed a critical feature that makes Banjo-esc platformers good
This game is meant to be a spiritual successor to Banjo-Kazooie and Banjo-Tooie. I can ensure you, unlocking moves was a forgettable part of Kazooie with every non-powerup move being unlocked by level 3 (Clanker's Cavern) and was an active detriment to Tooie because of the infamous degrees of backtracking it brought.

>>719511018
You weren’t a 90s kid and you never played these classic Rare games as a child so you don’t know what makes them so beloved. I can assure you that one of the highlights of the banjo games was discovering what new moves you’d unlock next. Every banjo game, including nuts and bolts and banjo pilot, did this. Yooka Laylee marketed itself as “the new banjo” and now it’s turning into a super luckys tale slop-knock-off.

>>719511018
No one genuinely cares about this remake. It's just ironic forced rivalry/ragebait for shilling purposes. >>719497305
There's nothing in these threads you can't already gleam from the other 100s of other threads we've had on YL, but /v/irgins just love repeating themselves and hearing themselves talk.

>>719491531
Is the game out yet? What's the price? I might get it at a discount

>719511007
You sound insecure.

>>719506832
they changed the level designs of certain worlds.

>>719511429
if you own the original you get a 30% discount so it goes down to $20 or so, it comes out in slightly over a month

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I 100%'ed this game at release and got all cheevos. Shan't be buying, owners should get it for free.

>>719505709
they actually fixed most of what you posted yes, the designs are subjective tho so up to you

>>719511246
I played Banjo-Tooie as a kid after enjoying Banjo-Kazooie and thought the backtracking was fucking lame and dropped the game by Grunty Industires. Good on Playtonic for realizing this shit is outdated design and axing it as such.

>>719511609
How do they know you own the physical release...?

>>719511718
by only allowing you to get a discount digitally
i'd assume you'd have to keep the game inside the console and then buy the game

>>719491531
Thats your problem & not the fact they're remaking a game that only shitters found hard & le bad?

If no one cares about replaylee then why is it the second best selling switch 2 game

>>719505709
Ok to be clearer on each thing
>The constant insecure jokes about how shit the game is?
That's rare humor and will always be in the game
>low enemt variety
Fixed
>empty level design
levels are now packed with collectibles and feels more dense in general. I think there's twice as many pagies on top of a new collectible that's not finite, but acts as a currency like the quills in impossible lair
>unique set pieces
to be determined
>terrible quizzes
weren't they like, a small part of the game? anyways I heard they were removed
>travelling through rings
still in there but they added more variety unique to each stages, we saw one in the first level where get locked in an area and dodge flames
>Kartos
Heard they and Rextro's games were revamped, but we haven't seen footage of Kartos yet.
>How about the terrible design language where it's unintuitive how some things will work
this was mentioned in their QnA and is something they actively feel embarrassed about, that and basic things such as circular shadow always underneath the model lacking from the original release, so likely fixed
they go indepth of these changes in their hour long interviews but honestly I'd just wait and see, the game's cheap and also likely will be easy to pirate
>

>>719491531
lol you can fly everywhere at game start ? what were they thinking ?

>>719511925
There are no Switch 2 games aside from Shitnanza and Mario Kart World which people got bored of already

>>719506251
>You're not going to come across a pair of turbo trainers before you're able to acquire the ability to use them for example.
There's a pair in the croc duel room in bubblegloop swamp (not required to use), and one in freezeeasy peak (required to win the boggy race), both of which you will most likely encounter before going to gobi valley.

>>719511443
Uh oh. The thread got bumped again because of you :(

Locking moves was always arbitrary nonsense. Mario 64 gave you all the moves you needed from the start. And surprise surprise, it's still one of the most well loved 3D platformers of all time.

>>719513587
>Mario 64 gave you all the moves you needed from the start
You mean except the three cap powerups.

>>719513741
Powerups =! inherent moves

>>719513779
It is when you have to unlock them, then backtrack to earlier levels to use it.

>>719511018
HAVING TO get new abilities doesn't make ANY GAME GOOD. The abilities is what makes them good, not acquiring them.

>>719513853
False equivalence. Retard.

>>719491531
I still don't understand what the point of this was. It seems like wasted effort that could have went to a sequel instead.

>>719502975
That's a bit of a cop out, you have the capture mechanic from the beginning that's correct. Saying it doesn't count because you encounter different enemies is like saying it doesn't count in any platformer game because the level design is different.

>>719511018
I don't think a single person complained about yookas unlocks, so its a bizare thing to change.
The actual complaints were the roll not being enough, and the worlds again being too fucking big, even expanded. The same two issues everybody complains about tooie having, funnily enough.

>>719514086
Wow, I don't think you're pretending to be retarded. Usually, arguments like yours are blatant ragebaiting.

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>>719514290
Better to be "too big" than too small.

>>719514103
Everyone is hopelessly incompetent now, and everything must be shit

>>719513741
Those aren't moves, those are power ups. Not the same as locking extended height jumps or the long jump or ground pound for a shop or until a certain point of the game.

>>719497672
>still at Rare
Nope, he resigned after the recent layoffs.
It's all done.

>>719514457
Banjo was big for its time. N64 literally needed an expansion pack to process the world's.

>>719513435
You really need to take a step back sometime and examine yourself and your actions. That is, if you're a real poster, which I doubt. I think you know what you're doing and you're doing it on purpose because this is the only source of human interaction you're capable of garnering.

>>719514457
Banjo-Kazooie had small worlds but the enemies were more focused and varied compared to Yooka's empty worlds

>>719514457
I seriously hope you aren't implying yk is better than banjo

>>719514628
lol big for its time? it came out in 1998, and no the first game didn't need an extra 4mb of ram

>>719514702
They were just model swaps, I can't be the only one who doesn't care how different looking the same set of attack patterns looks like.

>>719514729
Retard, it's obviously better. Banjo Kazooie wasn't even the best game the fucking year it released.

>>719514310
I'll take that as a concession.

>>719493627
Flight is context sensitive now. It's a power up in locations where you need it like the pads.

>>719515815
people who hated Yooka Laylee have done this to us fans

>>719514290
The worlds being "too big" always sounded like a cope to me because unlike Tooie, traversal was a lot faster in YL (yes the stamina sucked and shouldn't have been a thing, not denying that).
Galaxy Park and arguably the Casino are the worst offenders since the former is a ridiculously bloated and sparse Treasure Trove Cove with the only content being on the islands or inside the planets and the former sucked when looking for the last few Quills in the broken slot machines as the slow ass helicopter.

And I don't buy the excuse the worlds were "le too empty" either.
There was enough to do/find around every corner, it's just that the game was shit with its guidance with Quills, since those were just placed where ever the fuck the devs felt like which was purposefully trollish.
>Casino has some hidden on top of the entrance pipes where you can't fucking see them when entering
>Some hidden under small starting platforms in a few hazardous room
>One, literally ONE, was hidden in some gay little corner of the tower where you meet Shovel Knight
There's plenty of other instances like this throughout the game that I can't remember, but it was consistently annoying.
If they were going to have players put that much effort just to find less than 10 individual Quills or a few grouped together tucked behind a corner of a door-tier shit then they should've bundled them like Tooie did.

>>719517056
>I have to explore to find the collectibles that's awful they should be right out in the open like I'm E.T. following receses pieces

The post above mine is a retard.

It came off more like an afterthought for shits and giggles than cleverly placed collectibles.

I wonder when they’ll do a tooka laylee

>>719513231
cope

>>719491531
>Banjo-esc
It's *esque, you illiterate fuckwit. Those red squiggly lines aren't there for decoration.

>>719514457
Are you really saying this after a decade of open world slop? I'll agree that banjo levels feel cramped and claustrophobic though

>>719491531
>banjo-esc
>esc
I hate americans so much it's unreal

>I hate exploring!
what a fag

>>719519454
>I'll agree that banjo levels feel cramped and claustrophobic though
good
>open world slop
That buzzword is thrown around too often. Guarenteed I like open world games that you don't, and I've been very choosy in what I play so I'm not the one wading through too many of them.

>719520552
If you don't have an argument you can always be quiet instead.

>>719492564
Levels didn't expand in Banjo iirc.

>>719514457
There's a difference between small and condensed you fucking faggot. Fucking goddamn, I hate zoomers.
>NOOOOOO, THE LEVELS NEED TO BE 500% BIGGER AND HAVE WIDE OPEN SPACES WITH POINTLESS AREAS AND SEVERE DOWNTIME BETWEEN COLLECTING THINGS
You read as someone that would literally tell Nintendo to hire the people that dump Mario 64 or Ocarina of Time into Unreal 5.

>I hate exploring, shut up about it!
what a fag

>>719521179
>SMALL AND CONDENSED
if I pay more could I maybe get big and expansive

>>719521643
>>719521692
>1 minute apart
>Degenerate fetish shit
Figured it'd be an insecure troon hovering over the thread.

>>719491531
You unlock 95% of the moves in Spiral Mountain in BK.

>is thinking of degenerate fetish shit
what a fag

Sage

>>719492564
>doesn't work anymore
This implies it ever worked in the first place. You seem to be forgetting that millenials only pretend tranjo is good because the Nintendo 64 library is garbage.

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>Jewka Gaylee

Jontron won, tranny jewfags lost, again

>>719525264
Best game ever made is on the N64

>>719491531
Who even wants to play as these hideous fucking characters?

>>719491713
kek

>>719519021
I doubt Playtonic is going to be solvent long enough for that to happen.

>>719527294
Gaytonic more like