the second season of telltale's walking dead series is one of the most tragic losses in the history of vidya throughout development it went through two iterations that very likely would've been vastly superior to the final product but never came to be thanks to executive meddling happening at the company
back when season 2 first started, as far back as the initial pitch meeting, some of the writers for season 1 had mapped out a basic plotline for the upcoming seasonsaid plot line would have been about clementine and christa travelling across the country to find a safe haven and repairing their relationship after the loss of omid, from what i understand this is where the idea of wellington came from in the final gameduring this journey, christa and clementine would've reunited with kenny and his new girlfriend, although it's said that kenny wasn't originally going to make it until the end, but his girlfriend might've there are also rumors of kenny being the antagonist from this early script, but this was bunked by kenny's voice actor who claims it was just an idea tossed around at the initial pitch that never went anywhere
it's unclear when exactly the meddling started, but at some point in these early days telltale ceo, kevin bruner, got the idea in his head that the success of the first walking dead game was thanks to the telltale brand and not the story writersthis lead to the scrapping of the initial script and the creation of what is known as the 'bruner script'not a whole lot is known about this one, outside of it being terrible we do know that there was supposed to be a segment in a town where clementine and her group would start getting picked off by what they thought was a new, super zombieeventually it would be revealed to be an escaped tiger from a local zooone of the reasons why the script was cut was due to it being too far fetched, ironically the tiger, shiva, would appear in the comics some months before season 2's release
>>719492729How come Wolf Among Us turned out ok despite all the rewrites?
>>719492729clementine cvnny
after the tossing of the bruner script we get what is the most well known, and infamous, script that was planed for season twothe dark scriptlots of it are still unknown, but there is enough to lament what could have beenepisode 1 is largely unchanged, there are some cut animations of clementine having a longer fight with the bandit, winston, and some implication that she would have gotten shot in the arm at some point based on early artworkpresumably this was changed to a bite from sam, although i have also heard that the dog bite was the original idea and the writers had to fight for the iconic 'still not bitten' to remain in the gameanother thing that was removed was fishing with alvin, an entire, 100% segment was created for the end of episode 1 where clementine would spend some time with alvin and learn more about him, which was removed due to one of the higher up people at the company disliking itin this earlier episode 1, pete was supposed to die no matter what, i assume the choice at the end would be to either go with nick, or go with alvin since pete would already be dead
from what can be gathered, the second episode is largely the same plot wisethere is some speculation that rebecca and carlos' characters got toned down due to the season undergoing a lighter tone shift, but nothing confirmed as we now know, kenny was always planned on returning around this time with a new girlfriend, and it's one of the best parts of the episodethis is also where the cracks start showing, as clementine is being given roles in the group that an 11 year old should not be taking, where as in the first everything clementine did felt like a strugglethe primary antagonist for these two episodes, carver, originally used the model that now belongs to troy, this causes some misconception that troy originally was carver, but this is falsecarver was always carver, he just looked different, and since telltale had another completed character model after carver's design was finalized, they created troy
the third episode, originally called 'in cold blood', is in a similar situation to episode two where the basic plot seems to be about the same, except this time we know a lot more things that were removed thanks to audio files, we know howe's had a chicken coop, the escape through the horde would've started slower and gradually gotten more and more hectic until carlos' death, which is when effectively all hell broke loose and everyone is shouting at each other to try and maintain cohesion, carver's people would've been shooting at them, and nick has a surprising amount of lines for this sequence compared to the final game, where he has two lines the entire chapterwe also know a bear was planned to appear near the end, attacking the herd from the treeline, the model for the bear apparently got repurposed for the game of thrones game with a different texture
amid the ruins is where known information effectively stops and we get into mostly speculation based on remnants from audio files and textures it's moderately know that mike was originally one of the bandits who attacked clementine and christa in episode 1 called ralph, the wound he has on his face was supposed to be the gunshot heard at the end of that encounter, it is unclear why this was cutluke still has a line in the final game talking about how mike is acting like he's earned their trust when he hasn't done enough to earn it, this is very strange considering mike is nothing but nice in this and the prior chapterin the final game, multiple characters comment on a town that is seen across the river from the museum, according to a nearby map it's the downtown area, clementine comments on being able to see a church to janesaid church does have some textures in the files, and the final achievement for episode 4 depicts a church that we never seethis leads directly into the encounter with arvo, who many speculate was supposed to be eddie from 400 days, due to being called a junkie by jane and having the same revolver model eddie/ wyatt useit should also be mentioned that eddie is the only other character that can be clearly seen on every version of episode 4's title card asides from clementine, at one point vince was also in it but he was obscured like the others there was also an idea that aj was supposed to be carver's child after all, due to him being much paler in episode 4 than all his later appearances
>>719492729reminder that kenny was always right and that the correct choice was to have him drop clem and aj off at wellington and walk off into the sunset.
>>719492729All this talk in the TWD threads about this dark Season 2 we were supposed to get has been really intriguing to learn about. I've been fixated on this shit for a week now.
much like episode 4, episode 5 also is mostly unknownthe only thing we know for certain is the final choice, as it was confirmed by the devs clementine would've gotten stranded in the blizzard by herself with aj, and rapidly growing weaker due to the cold, she has to make a choicedoes she abandon aj for a better chance of living herself? or does she take a breather with him and lie down in the snow? both options are heavily implied to be her deatheveryone knows it at some level, but kenny vs luke was also supposed to finally take place in this chapter, not kenny vs janealthough nothing about the fight has been confirmed, i have heard a rumour where luke was supposed to have gotten bit and tried to hide it from the group, kenny finds out and goes ballistic on him for trying to hide it from themconsidering how clementine is alone at the end, either both of them effectively kill each other by the end of the fight, or the fight itself causes clementine to lose track of themmy personal theory is that the story jane tells about the guy trapped under the car is supposed to be a reference to the luke situation, as she says they lost 4 people trying to rescue this guy only for it to turn out he was bit the entire timehere are the original tracks for the title cards, the only two that remain in the game are episode 1's, which plays on the import save screen, and episode 3's, which seems to only play after completing the episode https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PmY8illr-Hchttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tTnBhGk3v2whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kwz-3kQEA-whttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6kGnYsjqY5chttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bQxyp28ZbdA
>>719492729sex with little clem
>>719495336Yeah it's the best choice considering what they do to him the next season
>>719495567Luke vs Kenny would have been much better. Kenny becoming more unhinged and dangerous while Luke is kinder and warmer. Clementine's how arc is her becoming a more broken and disturbing child or remaining some childish charm and innocence. Essentially ruthless pragmatism versus idealism in the face of raw survival.
>>719495821That would just make Kenny into a full blown villain that would neen to be put down while Luke is some sad victim. With Jane at least both have some questionable things going for them even if they share the common interest of wanting the best for Clem.
there are a couple more bits of info and speculation, a somewhat well known rumour for a couple years is that troy was originally supposed to molest clementinetroy's va has denied this at every turn, but he does mention that troy was far worse in the script than in the final game, a real piece of shitiirc he also said that troy was doing things for jane in exchange for sexual favours, there's an implication for this in the final game but apparently it was much more explicit than what we gotjane was also going to tell clementine a crude joke in episode 4, the audio files for it are still in the game, but it has no triggeri also believe that jane was supposed to bounce at the end of ch4 and stay gone, much like molly in the first seasoni assume this was changed because the writers didn't know what to do for the final conflict because the town mentioned in ch4 is just removed from existence and they travel for a day and a half to get to arvo's placearvo's place also makes no sense considering how far away it is from where they started, are you telling me he took a two day trip just to hide a bag full of meds? how did he cross the river before it was frozen over? how did he relay to his group that he got robbed and they set up the ambush in such a short amount of time? the only way for this to make sense if for kenny to be right again and arvo was fucking them around in the woods, making them go in circles until he couldn't bullshit them anymore
>>719493021I've always maintained that Season 2 would have benefited if AJ was actually Christa's child, named Omid Jr., so OJ, rather than the child being some strangers. Just that small change alone, and AJ living on into Season 4, would have been nice as it creates a sense of continuity and lineage from the characters in Season 1 to Season 4.
>>719496342Kenny is a deeply traumatized and broken man but very capable and wary of danger. Luke meanwhile would be too trusting and generous, inviting potential danger in. Both are good choices for Clem but have downsides as well, plus have the entire first and second season building towards this conflict, if it went that way.
>>719496557OJ simpson
>>719496557i understand the feeling, but from what i can tell christa's child was always supposed to have diedi don't know how developed the cabin group was at this early stage, if they even existed, but christa losing the baby was going to be another thing christa and clementine had to overcome emotionally
>>719494650Best post in this thread
do you have a source to back this up
>>719497376what was it
>>719497380everything that i know isn't confirmed i mentioned as a rumour or a theory this is the devs talking about clementine's cut deathhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BFYF34KzJN4a lot of what the va's have said is hard to track down, but most of it is negligible all things considered
>>719496713The problem is that if you make Kenny way more unhinged than he already is then there's a legitimate point to the argument the he could become a threat to Clementine later down the line, as he is in the final game he doesn't seem like that because he's in that thin line that's never crossed but making an scenario with this kind of Kenny entering in a fight to the death with Luke who is the nicest guy and the designated mediator that avoids conflict at all cost would for sure make Kenny to be the worse choice all around. When the options presented are a person that's too far gone and broken to even be a decent group member with the nicest guy you've known, and the worse you can say about him is that he's too idealistic for the apocalypse, the choice is clear, because the worst case scenario for Luke, involves Clementine having to bail him from trouble, something that by the end of the game has done multiple times, but with Kenny, he himself is the problem and that would be crystal clear in this kind of Luke vs Kenny scenario.
>>719497625Clementine getting railed doggystyle by a white stud
oh yeah, this is a weird one i forgot about back in the first twoish hours of 'no going back' being out, clementine could shoot mikehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fySwVhAxMcQi think this was cut because the mentality at the time was that all of clementine's explicit kills were huge moments in her life and mike's was more or less just therei wish they kept it in, it would make the alone ending much more bleak because every single person clementine had throughout the season could be dead by the end
>>719493565They rewrote everything after Ep.1 when people on the TTG forums figured out the killer and just stayed true to the script after that.It isn't like TWD where they continuously rewrote episode after episode after episode before just saying fuck it, here's what we have now.
>>719495594I miss early 2013 Walking Dead lewds.
We need to raid TT headquarters to get everything
>>719499206i think there was also another detective character that was supposed to help with the case that got cut entirely
>>719500573there's a guy at telltale who leaked an early 400 days build on reddit a few months ago, he also said that while the s1 stuff is gone, the still have most of the 400 days onward stuff lying aroundno idea how to get a hold of him though, or if he's even still working there
>>719492729Yes, that happens when the key people involved with the previous title doesn't work for the new one.
>>719495567The Amid The Ruins one is pretty creepy. I didn't mind S3 but couldn't give less of a shit for S4, so honestly had TWD been a duology with S2 having a dark as fuck ending would've been at least memorable, even if it would've shat on Lee's sacrifice in a way.
>>719500619Detective Brannigan, yeah. She was supposed to be a mundy cop that somehow got involved with Fabletown. Rumors are that this storyline was passed down to S2 if it ever comes out.
>>719501650that's why i think the 'abandon aj' ending would be the true ending clementine has come too far and has had too many people give up their lives for her to just give upeven if it's morally fucked, in a pure life or death situation morals don't matterit would have been better to sleep, but clementine can't afford to do that
who keeps making TWD threads this week?
>>719493021>said plot line would have been about clementine and christa travelling across the country to find a safe haven and repairing their relationship after the loss of omidKino we never got
>>719502876yeah, it sounds nice this was before s2 became super grim too so the ending was much less depressing iirc we do have a rough idea of what it was, clementine & co get to proto wellington and are interviewed thereafter the interview clementine is presented with a choice, either stay with everyone in the lower class area or go to the high class area since she's a child apparently the group would be pushing her to move up for a better standard of living, but the choice is ultimately hers
>>719501916Not me
>>719500739Hopefully, one of these days there's another leak, one of those big ones with 100gb or more of data.
>>719501916Telltale
>>719506445apparently a beta version of s2e2 leaked right before the 400 days one, but it was encrypted no idea where to find it though
>>719506506Current Telltale doesn't have the rights of The Walking Dead games, the license reverted to Skybound when the company went bankrupt
>>719492729Man, I miss when I wasn't racist, fuck my retard friend for getting me onto 4chan. Lee and Clem go so hard when you're not racist. Cried like a bitch when Lee died
>>719507934lee and clementine are too based to be racist towards /v/ as a whole holds no shame for loving a black criminal and a mixed race single mother
We've been having so many threads lately
>>719508623it's an interesting game series to talk about, even after all these years both with how the games when full retard in seasons 2 and 3, and how kino the development stories for games were
>>719508623I agree, it's just that this is the most I've looked at my Walking Dead folder in almost a decadeI'm starting to think I should just dump all my glitch pictures, I took most of them around launch day
>>719508996Meant for >>719508848
>>719508330 Unironically true though, the writing was strong enough to make you forget everything else and just see them as people trying to survive. That bond between Lee and Clem hits harder than anything AAA studios have managed in the last decade. I don’t know how Telltale fumbled it so hard later on, but S1 was lightning in a bottle.
Nick and Sarah were so wasted in Episode 4, definitely the worst one
>>719495567>Luke vs. KennyAlright that would have been genuine kino. Jane was WAAAAAAAAY too unlikable. Luke was literally the group good guy, not the best at planning shit but he had heart. Kenny was a better planner & had a thought process to things (compared to Luke) but he was getting deranged in S2 with his losses. I would've actually probably thought about that choice. Kenny vs. Jane it was too simple. I'd rather be with the dedicated bipolar man I had history with than the chick that would leave you the moment you became a slight burden. Luke showed some Kennyness with his lack of giving up on people and coming back for the group captured by Carver. He just fucked up and took a nap in their base or something and got caught.
>Clem sneaks behind your desk and looks over your sceen>says thishttps://vocaroo.com/16PrmvV6qtYVHow do you respond without sounding madjust playing with new local tts voice thing, finally free from the ban hammer and glowies
I remember Flimsii
>>719508623>We've been having so many threads latelyMass psychosis trying to manifest a new game from the aether
>>719509857i remember watching his ep5 video and believing in kenny confirmed it was very satisfying for it to actually have been correct
What was your favourite moment from the games /v/?
>>719510182They'd have to manifest a new Telltale first
Kenny was right
I'd die in a zombie apocalypse because I'd have too much diarrhea. Every single bowel movement would be slop city and slow the group down badly. I'd be burning through toilet paper and clothing fast. The stench might also decrease over morale.
I love the ytpseven bad seasons had some funny ones
>>719510196either clementine sewing her arm back together or the confrontation with carver at the cabin lee walking towards the marsh house is also pretty good
>Kenny is either absolutely loved or hated by players depending on one decision making him based or trash in S1.>He's still the only competent person in S2, outside of maybe Nick>S2 can literally be skipped for S3, but S3 isn't much betterHow did they drop the ball so hard? S1's decisions didn't matter much, but at least changed interactions with characters. S2 broke that illusion completely.
>>719510883Don't you think your bowels will improve once you're eating mostly nuts and berries?
>>719511170my piss also stinks rotten.
>>719511132s2 got fucked by the rewrites i don't know if choices actually mattered in the earlier versions of the story, but surely tehy couldn't have been as meaningless as in the final game
>>719511132I'd rather skip s3Not into cucking stories
>>719511301Should have just given us a longer time skip at the point of S4, where we played a self insert who encounters an older clem and can hit on her.
>>719510196>Lee grips a glass shard so hard his hand starts bleeding>this starts playing: https://youtu.be/um1OMrIog-4?si=wb58II8lffgGJMEGAbsolute kino
>>719511248Have you seen a doctor?
>>719511616I don't have insurance, so that would be nice in a zombie apocalypse, we'd all be equal then
If Telltale ever comes back with TWD, they should just remake the first game and give us more options that MATTER. Imagine if we could just avoid letting certain characters die or Lee getting bit by the end. It's crazy to me how they never
>>719511556>the intro for it gets teased throughout ep4 and 5 until it finally plays in fulli wish they did that more often, it was hype as fuck
>>719511752telltale should recreate the beta season 2 and give us the edge kino we deserve
>>719511829S2's biggest fault was making Clem the protagonist so young. It creates the issue of having all the adults rely on a kid. This could have been avoided if Clem played the drifter kind of char, not trusting everyone or just mostly going off on her own, jumping in to help people when they least expect it. That's why I said S2 could be skipped for S3. S3 does suck too, but it works better by having an older Clem and her not being in the protag role so soon. It also hits better narratively to see Clem come back after a long time skip, having completely mastered surviving. S4 being a whole escort mission for that chick's kid just sucks.
S3 sucked balls but Javi was a cool protagonist
>>719510196I have plenty but I love at the end of the Final Season when Clem asks AJ if she did a good job, the way her voice breaks, it just hits like bricks.
>>719508330S2 should have been Lee, Clem, and Kenny. Lee should have never died, granted his death was a fantastic scene. S2 fell off cause in S1, Lee was the voice of reason. You cannot have Clem be the voice of reason as a child.
>>719512023clementine being so young was something the initial devs were worried about when making the game, but ultimately came to the conclusion that having clementine being the protagonist would work out better long term than having someone people would always compare to leei would argue s2e1 handled clem as the protag pretty well, she is unable to overpower the bandits or the zombies and has to use what's around her to defend herselfnobody takes her seriously until after sewing up her arm and killing the zombie in the shed, they all just treat her with suspicion at best or outright contempt at worst
>>719510193I can hear this gif. Always trust the Florida man in a survival situation.
>>719512414apparently the devs regretted killing lee once they got the green for season 2, but it was too late to do anything by theni think it was the right call, it's one of the best scenes in the game and it clearly still weighs heavily on clementine in s4 despite it being seven years ago in universe
>>719512146s3 is weird because i find it more tolerable as a whole than s2outside of kate being a cunt and everyone acting like a pissy bitch at the end of s3e4 it wasn't that badwe were still robbed though, iirc the cut s3 would've been about javi and clem joining new frontier and trying to get their families back from them instead of garcia family drama feat. clementine
>>719512023Older Clem was dangerous due to the raw sexual tension people felt towards her. I can’t imagine having multiple seasons of ambiguously young teenage Clem getting into lewd situations.
The only thing worth remembering about Season 4 is that all the white men are evil and the few who aren’t are either ineffectual children or gay. Fuck this series.
>>719512023S2 is a mixed bag in how it handles Clem being playable, there are instances that is really well done and it makes sense for her to step up, during the first episode when she's own her own or during Carver's camp when she's used because she's small and can sneak around without drawing too much suspicion on top of being well liked by Carver so she's in less danger if she's caught. There are also others where it feels like they gave up, the wind turbine scene when no one knows how to turn it off but Clem volunteers for no reason and does it.There's also this one sequence that I really like that takes advantage of Clem being the protagonist, it involves Jane in EP4. When is just the two of them and she begins to teach Clem plenty of tips and techniques of survival, and not only that, the game actually let's the player put to use those same teachings in the trailer park sequence, it feels very natural for Clem to be a video game protagonist in there, games in general are about learning new mechanics and putting them to use, it's a short sequence but feels like a moment were the fact that this is both a coming of age story and a video game perfectly aligned.
>>719513510Don't know how you can say that when the main antagonists are white women, and there's some black mooks you can kill. Even the game tries to make you feel bad and sympathise with the most prominent goon that you can torture. Also, this little guy ended up being one of the most useful side characters in the game.
>>719513786the knee snap is pretty cool and i like how it's used in the series from then onif only it wasn't jane who taught her that though, any memory of her should be how she emotionally tortured a broken man and got herself killed to try and prove a point that she manifested
>>719513786>on top of being well liked by CarverCarver can recognize a fellow merciless sociopath when he sees one
>>719509820I would kill myself.
>>719514784>carver, the ruthless tyrant of howe's, vibes with the edgy 11 year old it will never not be funny, maybe if they had explained it better it could've worked, but as it stands it seems a bit silly carver also was pretty petty towards luke, according to reggie in some cut dialogue where he's telling someone a story about when carver gave everyone toothbrushes except for luke
>>719515125Clem is a cool-headed cold-blooded killer so it works. Everyone else underestimates her cause she's a kid, Carver sees a future him.
>>719515428one of my favourite interpretations of s2 clementine is that she's being sassy and edgy to everyone to mask her trauma, some options seem to imply this but it it's not cleari do know she starts breaking down in a couple scenes and only barley manages to keep it together
>>719492729Was the second season when they killed the nigger MC? I was looking forward to him grooming Clementine to be a good little cocksucker so I lost interest after he died.
>>719513098S3 giving the sex bang hanging down was peak. We needed an around 16 year old Clem to flirt with.
>>719516439s4 clem is 16
>>719516742I didn't play S4 because the series was hot garbage by that point.
>>719509857There's something I haven't thought about in over a decade, goddamn
>>719514096My view of antagonists have been forever tainted by SocJus politics. If I see a black hero and white antagonist I instantly know why it was written.
>>719516830it never reaches the heights of s1, but as a finished product i would say it's better than 2 and 3cliched at times though, and the devs really wanted their happy ending even if it doesn't really make a lot of sense
>>719517114despite everything twd generally avoided socjus, lee was going to prison for murder at the start, something that would never fly todayi can see the argument for s4, but marlon at the very least is treated as somewhat sympathetic, and lily has a history of being a turbo bitch anyways, most forced thing is her meeting up with clementine again at all
>>719512023This wouldn't have been a fault if they went full on horror, playing from the perspective of an 11 year old girl instead of a grown man like Lee. The shift in tone to a hopeless outlook where nothing feels safe would be appropriate and fitting.
>>719517375>This wouldn't have been a fault if they went full on horror, playing from the perspective of an 11 year old girl instead of a grown man like Lee.They could have taken advantage of how a single walker is way more trouble for Clem if she doesn't have a gun than it is for an adult. Remember how that one dog could have nearly killed her due to them being about equal in weight? Hell, there's the whole risk of being assaulted by men, so players would always have to be warry about getting involved with adult male characters. They could have easily played on that nervousness.
>>719517679remember the bandits at the start of s2e1, it's a whole ordeal for clementine just to deal with one guy who likely wasn't even trying to kill her at first and later on with the zombie in the shed, it's practically as close to a boss fight the game gets and it's just one of them
>>719511132S3 was the perfect time for them to understand the illusion was over and to actually focus their efforts on delivering a shorter story, but one where your choices actually matter. Instead of 5 episodes, do 3, and have it so that there's actual branching paths where one person's Episode 3 playthrough can look almost completely different from another player's.
>DUDE MISERY LMAO
I'm stealing all this and turning into a gay youtube video with creepy voice narration.
>>719517769Remember that girl that shot what's his face in the bathroom and then got bodied by a shotgun immediately after? They could have had Clem or S3's teenage Clem get involved in a gang of all kids like that. Just a bunch of punks that have numbers and the small size to get around places, letting players choose whether she gets corrupted with them or toes moral line. You still have the ability for her to get temporarily separated and run into adults. They could also deal with more serious themes, like having a character or two who survived getting assaulted by adult males before ending up in the group, so we have Clem learning that perspective from them. Have that chick be a total piece of shit to ANY adults as a result, so there's this dilemma of trusting whether an adult they encounter might be bad, or if it's just said raped girl going into PTSD mode.
>>719518021Get some scary creepypasta audio to go in the background.
dae GAME was supposed to be LE DARKER! PEOPLE would get RAPED, CHILDREN would get KILLED, TUMMIES would be STARVING
>>719518098all he need to do is used the cut menu music, it's already begging to be used in a horror/ creepypast context
The problem with the walking dead games is that i didnt want to play a little girl because that makes no fucking sense in a game where you're supposed to be making decisions that impact others.The one where you play a mexican guy was fine.
>>719518070that's kinda like what happens in s4, clementine getting involved with a gang of kids about her age and they're all kinda edgy, safe edgy granted but stilltelltale was too pussy to go into possible sexual assault though, even if it's the apocalypse, there's no way whoever marlon was giving the kids to wouldn't have kept a couple of the teenage girls for himself/ his meniirc the closest thing to that is the one molly in the crawford tapes and the cut stuff with troy and jane
>>719518485>that's kinda like what happens in s4, clementine getting involved with a gang of kids about her age and they're all kinda edgy, safe edgy granted but stillI didn't play S4, so I wouldn't know. All I really know is I think the kid is still with her and I know she has two shit love interest options.Here's how you make Carver scarier or just more interesting in my scenario from here >>719518070:Option 1: Dad>one of the girls in the all kid/teen group Clem gets involved in is the daughter of Carver >said daughter got involved with one of the boys in the group and ran away with him>now carver is on a man hunt to bring his daughter back and kill the boy she's getting involved with>could also have the boy be a total "fuccboi" and also try hitting on Clem, so there's this whole dilemma of seeing whether Carver is justified in wanting to bring his daughter back to safety or whether this guy is just a tool who is using peopleOption 2: Obsessed pedo>Carver assaulted one of these girls in the group before she escaped with this gang of kids/teens>Carver and his goons are chasing them down because he WANTS her>every time they show up shit gets scary because you don't know what they're going to do if they can get ahold of any of the kids>girls always at risk of getting assaulted, any of the boys who get caught are immediately killed, so a lot of the fodder boys can just outright die to up the tension>Option 3: mix of the first two>Carver-like character assaulted one of the girls before she escaped with the group of kids/teens after getting romantically involved with one of the boys>Carver-like chasing them for the same reason, since he WANTS her and WANTS to kill the kid, is okay letting his goons do whatever with the rest>maybe have the girl mentally unstable sinced groomed, so she flip-flops between wanting to avoid Carver-like, but also doesn't want him to get hurt/killed by the boyfriend character who is trying to protect her and get revenge
>>719518969aj's still with her, yeahpeople always talk about her love interests in s4 but never about how you can just ignore both of them and keep her single, which makes the most sense for clementine considering every nearly romantic relationship she's seen has gone up in flames for one reason or another
>>719519154>every nearly romantic relationship she's seen has gone up in flamesHow many has she had? I don't recall there being one in S3, but then again, it's been a while.
>>719519662she's seen lee and carley/ lily end with lily killing carley and getting abandoned/ her fucking offkenny losing his katjaa and duck and going into a depressive spiral christa losing omid and becoming coldrebecca's kind of a bitch to alvin but they're probably the healthiest in the grand scheme, rebecca's just sad but doesn't crash out over alvin's deathkenny getting fucked up really bad again after losing saritajane and luke almost getting everyone killed for a quickie, and being directly responsible for sarah's death if clementine saves her earlierconrad spirals after losing francine javi and david getting into a fight because kate's a whorepotentially gabe dying on her, iirc she only kisses him if you go with jane and he dies those are all the ones i can remember, idk if lee ever told clementine what happened with his wife or if she just put it together herself
>>719518391Sorry lad, I liked being a edgy little shit
>>719492729There's no scenario where this game wouldn't have come out as a piece of shit
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>>719492729I was still satified with S2, I cried at the endEverything Telltale made after that was garbage
>Dude lets bring this guy with us hahaSeason 2 was so fucking shit
>>719522029arvo is literally me i'd cap your fucking white asses in an instant
>>719522121lol you got robbed by a little girl
>>719522165capped her fucking ass
Never bothered with anything past S2 but I admit teenager Clem is as hot as kid Clem. They should reboot the story from S2, also add a self-insert for us to romance her.
>>719523059Just make a VN spin-off
i like javi but man is he dogshit at explaining himself
>>719492729The first two seasons of the series were so weirdly comfy, after three it kinda went off the deep end, pretty sure that was because the company was falling apart. Never played 4 but I've heard it was pretty good. Is it worth diving back into?
>>719524923s4 is fine it's a little too 'young adult novel' for my taste but it never gets as bad as the low points of season 2 and 3
>>719524621You can never explain yourself or the options are not what the character is going to say
>>719525226lee and clementine do a pretty good job at least their choices didn't hide what they were going to say like with javi
>>719522029I would shoot this kid in the head without thinking twice in a twd type scenario.
Where did she learn to shoot an AK-47?
>>719526209remember that time in season 2 when she fired a rifle and got knocked on her ass?all the knowledge of using firearms was contained in that shot she also was with the new frontier for a couple months before s3 and they probably taught her how to use it
>>719525210Unfortunate how much this IP has been mishandled in both video games and the TV show. Even the original source material ( the comics ), have shit moments because of Robert Kirkman's occasional lazy writing.
>>719526517it's a shame, really especially since the earlier development for both s2 and s3 looked really promising, but the big wigs felt the need to stick their fingers where they didn't belong as per usual i never watched the show, but i heard it was decent for at least a couple seasons
>>719526319We talk a lot about what Clem can do in S2 but the jump from that to S3 is much more crazy: She can shoot a 12 gauge shotgun without flying away, while running; execute a perfect ambush, fend off a squad of New Frontier soldiers with a pistol, and she can drive a car and a motorcycle. And it's only been 2 years since S2.
>>719527007The shows first season was its only "perfect" season, everything up to maybe season 6 was just okay. Anything after is just a hot steamy shit
>>719527643s3 is so bizarre at times i generally don't consider it canon
so how does clementine cope with everything after season 4 anyways she can't physically run away from it anymore, and it's really only a matter of time until the boarding school falls because that's what happens to every group clementine gets involved innot to mention they're a bunch of pussies who got a pretty easy ride through the apocalypse all things considered
>>719492729Yeah, I’m well aware of Season 2’s cut content and this game could’ve been so much better. But the one thing I’m glad got changed was the ending.JustHell no. Fuck that.
>>719528769this would've made so much more sense if joan was still eleanor's mother instead of the retarded "I WAS TRIAGING A BAD SITUATION" excuse she gives in the final script
>>719530724yeah, i think s3 got just as fucked as s2 but i don't think as much info about it is out therei also know there was supposed to be a slaughterhouse segment, and the base structure is used for the storage depot in s3 and all the slaughterhouse textures are hidden behind shit
>>719492729Sarah is infinitely cuter than that ugly mutt clem
>>719529547That's something that I often ponder, the ending is a happy one but I can't help to think about how now she can't run and be on the move like before, it makes me anxious and feel like a lot could go wrong unless they start to work on million ways to improve the school and put the rest of kids into shape. She's happy at first but I feel more and more she'll start to fall into depressive episodes as she can't do the things she's used to, it's sad because it took a life-time of experience to get to that level and now she's regressed. I think she will be anxious about security and how the rest of the kids are alive thanks to her but now if trouble comes knocking, they'll have pull their weight more, and deep down, Clem probably won't be able to put all her faith in them, not unless she's the one out there. She'll probably put a ton of focus in making the school work and give orders to everyone, that's how I see her coping, focusing on the present while trying to prepare for the future.
>>719532291>t. Carlos
>>719532428i know clementine gets flashbacks/ visions of traumatic memories semi frequently in s3, i forget if she does it in s4i do know that there was an idea somewhere in s2's development where we would see what happens immediately after s1 ends, with clementine hiding in one of the wrecked cars after seeing the people in the distance looking at hershe hallucinates lee talking to her until someone snaps her out of it by knocking on the window, who is revealed to be omid i wouldn't be surprised if she starts getting those again after s4, iirc she even mentions to aj at the end that one of the reasons why they were always on the move was partially her trying to get away from her past
>>719532428AJ should've been the one bit. Man, I hate the ending of S4. Even if Clem technically isn't forever immobile given the position of the amputation, I just hate how that entire fucking episode went. It was stupid, stupid, stupid.
>>719510258Uh...but they've already founded a new Telltale? There are old telltale employees working there too, developing a sequel to TWAU. How haven't you heard?
>>719534268imagine how kino it would've been for clementine to have been in that same situation she was in at the jewlery store all those years latereven if they had bullshitted a way for aj to live, clementine having to deal with all those emotions all over again would've been the perfect climax for her story
Sex with Season 2 Clementine. Trauma healing, intimate, slow, passionate sex with sassy, depressed Clementine. Taking care of and doting on Clementine. Being Clementines emotional anchor. Loving Clementine.
>>719510193>>719509857>>719516908I have had this image saved for more than a decade.
>>719534706Yes. Exactly. Full circle. It should've been done, but unfortunately S4 is a thrown together hackjob. I don't consider it canon desu.
>>719534820some of the early twd memes were pretty goods3 and 4 didn't really get as much iirc, although i was pretty tuned out for s3https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uiaWzLZbleo
>>719534839yeah, but out of all the seasons s4 is the most understandable hackjob, considering that telltale went under right after the second episode came outi think there was supposed to be a mechanic where you could dress up clementine in different outfits that got scrapped, i don't have it but there's a texture for her left arm that shows that she still has the new frontier brand and the scar from the dog bite/ stitch job
Where the fuck is the TWAU2? I have zero faith in the new Telltale anyways after they released that dogshit space game where you black a bald sheboon in space.
>>719535128apparently telltale wants it out by 2028 according to the guy who leaked the e3 400 days build apparently that's not enough time, either they don't have the man power or they don't have the resources so they have to crunch
Call me a faggot but just thinking about those first two games makes me feel...turbulent. I was 13 when the second game released the first episode, and my dad, being a massive fan of the TV show, bought season 1 and that first episode of season 2. I don't think I've ever played anything that's impacted my brain space, and the way I see characters like those two seasons. I know that it was all smoke and mirrors, and objectively the writing is middling at best, but Lee, Clementine, Lilly, Carly, Kenny and the dozen other characters that came and went felt so real to me, so visceral. Finishing Season 1 in one day and then playing through S2E1 at night, in the dark, just clicked with me. I was hooked, totally, TellTale fucking got me. I begged my Dad to buy each episode as it came out. Cringed when Kenny got beat to shit, when Sarita died, when Sarah fell and got fucking devoured, screaming. These games created a narrative high in me I have never, ever been able to reach again, in literature, film, or gaming. I've even tried to recreate it myself, in my own obsessive and endless writings, but no dice. The CLOSEST I've ever gotten was playing through TLOU blind for the first time, but it wasn't nearly as close. I want it back. But I know that'll never happen, it's a fucking pipe dream. Still doesn't stop me from tearing up every single time I listen to Clementines Theme. Seasons 3 and 4 were largely disappointing, but I'm glad that they gave me more of her. I'm sad that this series is dead, 6 years dead. But it makes me really really happy that people here still remember it, still cherish it. Even with all of its flaws. Ok, blog over.
>>719535232>Announced 3 years ago>Has another 3 to go>Not enough timeWhat the fuck? Seriously?
>>719535232didnt old telltale shit out like 2 games a year, what the fuck do they need 6 years for
>>719535041>there was supposed to be a mechanic where you could dress up clementine in different outfits that got scrappedHoly fuck, we were robbed
>>719535547they also had a shitton of employees back theni don't know how many they have now, probably a quarter at best
>>719535617yeah, there were plans to be able to dress up clem and properly customize her roomi think you were originally also supposed to go to lily's base but that got cut so they replaced it with the river boat
>>719535514i assume so, iirc the leaker just said he was peeved at telltale and knew he would get in shit for leaking stuff but didn't care also my mistake, the deadline is 2027 not 2028here's the 400 days build as an apology https://archive.org/details/the-walking-dead-season-one-internal-development-build-4-june-2013-wip-400-days-dlc.-7z
>>719536076Anything special in it?
>>719536131a good chunk of the cut tavia's story i think, different from what we knew of it before this and some early character models
>>719535450the period in between season 1 and season 2 is very nostalgic for me i remember getting 400 days day 1 and being pretty satisfied with it, endlessly curious where it would go in the following seasonthen the s2 teaser came out and i was hyped as fuckhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=89ae3pqRM4Mto this day it remains one of my favourite vidya trailers of all time, it's just perfect for what it is
I feel like my TellTale is planning something. Especially with that random trailer dropped by IGN? All these threads? The continuing and shitty post S4 Comic? Someone is paying attention to this part of the TWD franchise. I would NOT say no to a S1 remaster and/or a Season 2 Remake.
>>719536451i'm not to proud to admit i'd buy seasons 1 and 2 again if they did a remake/ remaster with cut materialeven if it was treated as a 'what if' side story, if telltale/ skybound had the balls to fully tell what that darker s2 storyline was they'd have me hooked againalso i made this thread because i was considering posting the cut s2 stuff and the threads were dead by the time i woke up
>>719536417A lot of the S2 trailers really struck me. They always leaned heavily on the melancholy. Particularly the S2E5 trailer. That's one thing that I think is vital, a pillar of what makes a post apocalypse story stick. That feeling, other overtly or subliminally conveyed, of grieving over the past, over the things lost. And facing what you've been forced to become with a grim finality. Not as if you'd have any other choice, I suppose. That teaser is really well done, I agree.
>>719536451and the main reason why I cited these threads was because I feel like I've been seeing a lot of buzz around the franchise ATM. Seemingly unprompted. >>719536568We can only hope. And pray.
>>719536638i think telltale partnering with anadel, at least for the first 3 episodes, was a great idea the clementine remix of 'in the water' is the song in that first teaser, and i vividly remember this song playing in the s2e2 trailerhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfoAYpquelQshame it never plays in game, it really fits carver's character imo
How was The Expanse?
>>719536451I had that feeling too, I think they were looking to hire someone to oversee the TWD franchise in general and if you go to Skybound's social media you can see they post stuff about the games, it's mostly Invincible these days but they know TellTale's TWD are the most notable game series they own.
>>719536994>invincible Vs The Walking DeadIt's so fucking over for Clem.
>>719537069how hard will they nerf her so the invincible guys don't get instantly btfo
>>719509570Allegedly they had to change the fight between Kenny and Jane to favor Kenny as, when they were fighting on equal terms, all the playtesters sided with Kenny. That should've been a hint that their last minute plot rewrite wasn't working.
>>719537069>Clem's father from her family photo is not her real dad>The secret origin of the Walker virus is that it came from space>The things she can do despite her age?>The only way for her to survive a bite? Plain luck or weird biology?Oh no anon, this is the secret plan. Clementine is not fully human, her real dad came from the stars and brought a plague with him. A half-viltrumite manifests their powers until they are 18 years old, and Clem is 16 at most, the clock is ticking. We are gonna get continental level Clementine in our lifetime lmao
I really wanted to dress up Clem, too bad it was cut. I went and found this small fan game.>https://apanaula.itch.io/twdg-clementine-dress-up-game
>>719534774anon...settle down. she isn't real, she'll never feel your love.
>>719538465>Made 2 days agoWhat the actual fuck is going on.
>>719538612either we've accidentally fallen into helping a secret promotional campaign, or there's a sudden burst of nostalgia for tdw right now either one feels likely
>>719538767Hmmmmmmm.
>we could have had this level of edgekino if not for execs fucking it uphttps://youtu.be/5uq0zGWpg2E?si=R_yyww7uM8ZXVBFl
>https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1xBe2zkEg9/?spm_id_from=333.1387.homepage.video_card.clickHoly fuck bros...
>>719538880Jesus, that's upsetting.
>>719538880i don't think clementine would be able to bring herself to kill the baby personally in the sleep ending she's probably trying to shush him or sing a lullaby for the both of them, and in the abandon ending it's probably she same as what jane did, she leaves him in a car and tearfully walks off
>>719538880What the fuck, I'm gonna have nightmares...
>>719538970Fucking chinks, I kneel
>>719507714>Current TelltaleAre they even alive now?That lesbian space detective game didn't sell well from what i gather and they've gone complete radio silence since it's release
>>719541209on life support probably
>>719541209they exist enough for twau 2 to still be in development apparently maybe the real walking dead was the telltales along the way
>>719541249Previously i would say that i hope they learn from their mistakesBut after they went full on retard for their first release i don't have much hopeIt's same old company unfortunately
>>719509857>>719510193>>719534820>>719534951This takes me back> used to make TWD meme videos> season 2 soured his mood he made 2 critique videos> one more video for s3 before dropping the whole thing to the fire and gave up
>>719541729s2e4 really soured a lot of people, the double whammy of nick just turning up dead and sarah dying no matter what was a real mask off moment for telltaleat least with carley and doug they were very involved in the episode and a half they survive in, where as nick gets all but two lines before his death and sarah is in a state of shock until she's right about to die
>>719541860For me it was "everyone defending Arvo and saying Kenny was deranged because he didn't trust Arvo" that was the breaking point that made me go back and realize "oh fuck the entire season is pretty retarded"
>>719542029jane, bonnie, and mike all jumping to arvo's defence right after luke died and clementine potentially dying of hypothermia will never not be retarded it's arguably even worse if bonnie also dies, although clem isn't in danger in that scenario kenny should've just capped him right after the ambush was over and they should've moved on to the town they were trying to get to in the first place
>>719526089As soon as I heard that accent, he would be gone. No hesitation.
>>719541860What's baffling is that Nick has a lot of cut lines, apparently.
>>719542029To this day I get mad when I remember Arvo
>>719542291yeah, he has a surprising amount for the cut howe's escape sequence that never get used, because the escape got heavily shortened i assume he had even more than that in an earlier version, but all that's left are those from the escape
>>719493565It fell into a decent enough ending, but Episode 2 was actually rushed garbage that was released after a major delay.I guess the key thing is TWAU did a full rewrite but did it early so only took the hit for one episode, and the rest of it was planned out after that where they just cut their losses on beats they were no longer doing. TWD2 kept changing their minds seemingly every episode where they still had to try and hit all the beats they were setting up despite constantly writing themselves into corners.
>>719542464>series all about making choices>throw out content that would make a choice worthwhileGood game, TTG.
>>719542502execs sticking their fingers where they don't belong and fucking with things they don't understand, tale as old as timethe writers hold some blame, of course, but i think with twd specifically the higher ups wanted their fingers in the pie, it was pretty much their flagship franchise after season 1
>>719509857>>719541729>>719542535> That Nick/Ben jumpscareStill cracks me up to this fucking day
>>719495336Reminder the whole Kenny vs Jane fight was just retarded writing in the first place with both having to act wildly out of character just to force some kind of big choice at the end.The actual satisfying ending that should have been the end would have been hunting down the Russian twink and the two traitors to save the baby, with decisions changing who survives the encounter. Hell, maybe even just don't kill Luke in a "choice" where he dies either way because at least Kenny vs Luke had some level of build up.
>>719542803>he does it again with the bridge sceneimagine if nick was like a ben that we could help not be a worthless fuck if we save himit could've been coolon the other hand, clementine trying to beat the shit out of walter if he lets him die is despair kino, especially if you went with him at the start of the episode
>>719543009an often forgotten line from kenny is right after the car spins out, kenny asks if she's alright immediatelyand then aj, and then clementinethis is after she was taunting him over his dead family and generally being a turbo cunt to him in the truck, but he is still concerned for her safety despite thatand yet she still calls him crazy, i guess he is if he still got concerned for her when she's pulling that shit
>>719541860The signs were already there. Choose to save Pete over Nick? Too bad, Pete dies and Nick survives either way.Manage to save Nick? Too bad, he sits in the background with next to no lines waiting for his off-screen death.Manage to save Alvin? Too bad, he just gets thrown into a room waiting for the moment Clem enters the room where he gets to have one conversation before dying anyway.Don't trust Bonnie because why would you if you played 400 Days? Too bad, she's coming, and the rest of the 400 Days cast are forgotten about now they are straight up villains.The Sarah shit was the worst moment. You have a choice to save her on THREE separate occasions in one episode, and on the third time, the game just gives you a middle finger and kills her off anyway, with barely anyone in the cast reacting to it.
>>719543394The writers hated Sarah or something.
>>719543394pete was actually supposed to always die at the end of s2e1, it got changed because they remove and entire sequence with alvin that would've taken place right before it everything else was fucked due to episode to episode rewrites, it's painfully obvious once you look into the cut content even a little bitif i had to guess alvin was always supposed to die at the end of s2e2, but that got changed what happened with sarah is unforgivable though, not only can you teach her how to use a gun, it never comes into play when there are situations just begging for it to matter in s2e4maybe at some point it was, but not in the game we got
>>719543131Because shit is fucking contrived and bad writing.The Team Kenny vs Team Jane arguments that flooded the threads when the games were out annoyed the fuck out of me, because I just didn't care at that point. It's not where the story should have ended, and distracted from criticism of just how poor the second half of the season was. Though I suppose the fight was the perfect summary of how the whole season went: the adults just do whatever self-destructive shit they like whilst the only kid with a functioning brain stands at the side-lines watching and getting pissed off that nobody is listening to her talk sense.
>>719532428They actually released a follow up comic a little while back showing Clem post-ending. It is pretty terrible and seems to be written by someone who never played or cared about the games.>Clem randomly decides to leave the school and AJ to go exploring>Completely ignores if she has a BF/GF and the fact that missing a leg is a death sentence out there>Ignores how much of the series revolved around AJ and that she would never abandon him>Clem gets a random wasteland girlfriend who diesIt might as well be non-canon and should be regarded as such more then even S2 and 3.
>>719541209What lesbian space detective game? The only thing I heard they put out was Tales from the Borderlands 2, and the best that any said about it was that it was a massive let-down.
>>719543814oh i agree, it sucked ass and was a pretty pathetic excuse for an end of season conflict season 1 had everything set up in the penultimate episode, hell, even season 3 did as well, sorta but season 2 just has jane appear out of nowhere and everyone call kenny a crazy asshole for beating the guy who set an ambush to rob and murder themi guess they would've gotten over it if kenny just shot him and moved on, but then arvo gave everyone the ring around in the forest for a day and a half to get sympathy points
>>719543928ah, the tangerine comic iirc the author never played the games or read the original comici don't think anyone cares about it beyond saying that it sucks
>>719544021>who should we get to write our follow up comic>someone who doesn't like the games, the comic and isn't even gonna do research?>yeah brilliantmakes ya wonder what they were thinking
>>719538767Is that supposed to be Jane in the foreground?
>>719544357That's probably S4 LillyThe salt block cometh
>>719544229They were thinking >"My buddy from business school says his daughter needs a job. No scut work, she's a 'creative'.
>>719543939The expanseNew tales from borderlands was released by gearbox itself with telltale not involved in any way
>>719542029>>719542112This is what killed it for me, absolutely contrived writing. I did not bother with anything after S2.
