Why are there so few historical fantasy games taking place in Medieval Europe unlike Japan, which has tons?
>>719492909I ask myself the same thing
>>719492909Americans hate European culture
we should have gotten Camelot Musou long time ago
>>719492909actually a damn good question
euro culture just feels overly familiar and boring as a result. needs magic to be exciting. and even "historical games" from jp are usually pretty dramatized and insane for excitements sake compared to something like kcd.
>>719493090It's pretty unappealing as a game setting.
>>719493371>bastardized and sanitized for "modern audiences" Euro culture just feels overly familiar and boringfixed that for you
>>719493090hello I am american and I disagree
>>719493483what setting would you find appealing then
>>719493740Just like op said, Japan is just more interesting. You can get upset or call it a bucktooth chingchong country or whatever but It's not going to make me more interested in games set in Europe.
>>719493919oh, so you're just a fucking retard then
>>719493983lmao don't be jealous anon, you really don't need my validation. and like i said, no amount of crying is going to make people uninterested in japan.
>>719493919the only people that say this are people that know absolutely nothing about European history and folklore
>>719492909>which has tonsname 5 non-strategy medieval japan games
>>719493919>Japan is just more interesting>this is why every single Jap game on the planet copies shit from traditionally European stories and legends
>>719494137You can say this about literally anything though. Not to pull the India card but I'm sure rajesh would claim I'm only uninteresed in his culture because I haven't learned about it but really, I'm just not attracted to it in any way. Same for euro stuff.
>>719494260NiohGhosts of TsushimaOnimushaOkamiSengoku BasaraRise of the RoninSamurai WarriorsSekiroShinobi
>>719493919>Japan is just more interestingShut up, weeb.
>>719494585>offended over other peoples interestswew
>>719493919>Japan is just more interestingit really isn't. Europe is a whole continent full of different cultures and religions in one giant battle royale.The Japanese were isolated on their little rocks for 90% of their history
>>719493090Its not so much hate but uninterest, for many Americans history begins when the colonies were founded
>>719493919t. shitskin
>>719494748Don't twist words, weeb.
who knew europeans were so insecure towards japan lmao
>>719494801ding, ding, ding. Japan games are always about japan (duh). European games can give you the french, the brits and the scots and the irish, the german and the poles and their teutonic knights, you can go down to italy with their city states and mercs, hungaria and the balkans are their own kind of vibe and you can always go towards spain and malta and the holy land to fight against non-european cultures. Or you go up and have you nordics. The amount of cultural and thematic and even visual variety is much, much larger than you will ever get in Japan
>>719492909Interesting fact - during the Middle Ages, Europe was covered in forests so dense that it was always twilight, even during the day. The perfect setting for mystery.
>>719493919that is the biggest crock of shit I've heard this week. Not only is Europe more varied, but the time periods vastly change the tone of the game in general.A game set in 800 AD Caroliangian France would be completely different to one set in 1400 AD Hundred-Years War France but in Japan nobody would notice a fucking difference.Ghosts of Tsushima had the Japanese in Sengoku-era wear and equipment and literally nobody gave a shit because Japan is actually a boring one-note setting until the 1800s.
Somebody please just combine KCD with Darklands
>>719495835yes and im sure shitshartstan and braplochistan are as different as can be. thousands of years of history too. still not interested in them or european countries. you can't force people to be interested in something that just seems boring and unappealing. sorry.
>>719495004no, it's hate. They wouldn't bastardise it in every possible way if there wasn't genuine loathing there.
>>719493919You're right, king
>>719493090we hate europeans, not the culture anon.We take and commoiofy it. See medieval times
>>719496134the irony of this statement is that Nips are themselves obsessed with Europe
>>719492909I would love to see a game like Nioh that is the exact same gameplay but the spirits and monsters are based on a bunch of european folk lore, and the weapon types dictate different fighting styles with their own stances and combos, but its all based on european stuff.All we get in when its to do with historical setting combat is "realistic fighting" games where its direction based.
>>719496237Yes, we know Europeans live rent free in your head.
>>719496237If you ruin and niggerify the culture you don't hate I shudder to think of what mutts do to people they do hate
How can we as a board protect sensitive European feelings from being hurt by mean American's who don't respect their culture?
>>719492909is King Arthur: Knight's Tale any good?
>>719496920This but unironically. I'm tired of seeing niggers in games like God of War.
>>719496945yeah, it was pretty fun. Finished the base game, the Legion IX follow up title currently sits on my pile of shame
>Japan>makes a lot of games>Yurup>doesn't make a lot of gamesWow
People like "medieval fantasy" settings but the middle ages themselves may never actually be a popular setting. At best you'll get some disgusting Jewish filth like KCD which gives you a modern setting with hose. Westerners simply don't like their premodern history and never have. Compare the accuracy of Braveheart to all the period pieces Japan has made for reference.
>>719497516don't soil yourself
>>719497657The things you people have saved on your computer never ceases to amaze me. Perpetually stuck at a mental age of twelve.
>>719494509>NiohSengoku period, early modern period.>OnimushaSengoku period, early modern period.>Sengoku BasaraSengoku period, early modern period.>Rise of the RoninBakumatsu, late modern period.>Samurai WarriorsSengoku period, early modern period.>SekiroSengoku period, early modern period.>ShinobiContemporary/future Japan, what were you thinking?!Ghost of Tsushima and Okami are the only actual games set in medieval Japan, the Kamakura period and classical Japan respectively.
>>719497973>Sengoku period>not feudal Japan
>>719497657This dude was only like 20 years old or so what the FUCK is wrong with xoomers?
>>719493919Naahh samurai shit is overdone to hell
>>719497516Isn't Braveheart the movie where the medieval Kigdom of Scotland is depicted as a bunch of plucky underdog noble savages wearing clothing that wouldn't become traditional until the 1700s and facepaint that had ceased to be traditional for several hundred years fighting against le evil oppressive englishmen to whom real life medieval scottish warriors would have actually been indistinguishable from in terms of equipment and overall aesthetic
>>719497657>>719497915>>719498301
>>719498258Feudal Japan is called that because it was a feudal state under the shogun, much like princes and knights in Europe. But Japan wasn't always feudal and was not dominated by the feudal hierarchy until the Edo Period. The feudal state persisted all the way until the Meiji period in the 19th century during the late modern period.
>>719498575and the Shogunates began roughly around the 1100s and ended by the 1800s, so all of that should be classified under Feudal Japan
>>719492909because to make them europe need gamedevs willing to work on it, not a single american studio is interrested because it's nothing but jews chasing after the latest market trend
>>719494801i adore the artwork in this game
>>719492909>Still no HISTORICAL post roman Britain game in existenceIt's literally the perfect setting you got romans, romanobritons, britons, gaels , angloseax fighting for/around roman cities/ruins, pagan/christian conflict, fucking Hadrian wall but no there's nothingCk2 and warband mods is my only copium
>>719498569There was never any communist propaganda which was half as absurd as Braveheart. Not even the most hardline Maoist fetishized peasants that much.
>>719492909I think it might be because there are a ton of good samurai flicks while the only good medieval movie with battles and shit is Excalibur.
>>719492909They should make a game about Arthur who united the Britons and than disappeared into legends
>>719499139>HISTORICAL post roman BritainHistorically accurate Arthurian would be even better.
>>719497516Funny how fucking china has made more historical period pieces than europe.Meanwhile the west still pretends the 1500s up to the 1700s dont exist because that's the time where white people scrambled for the americas and started colonizing.
I want a horror game where you play as a roman soldier that survived the Teutoburg Forest forest and have to fight your way back against freaky ancient germanic pagan witches and shamans
>>719499642It's because 1850-1950 was all westerns all the time
>>719499998Closest to that is probably the british isles campaign in ryse son of rome.
>>719500061It doesnt have to be. For example there is still no civil war rpg/adventure game. A lot stretches in european history are largely unrepresented in exchange for fake DnD kitchen sink settings.
>>719492909I like guns :(
>>719497516>which gives you a modern setting with hose. You are dishonest retard who never played kcd
for the love of god please a sequel to Darklands
>>719492909There's some stuff, ranging from Kingdom Come to Crusader Kings, but it is a bummer that fantasy drivel like D&D is more popular than anything rooted in history. I think the main issue is that people don't know history well, and there's a lack of developers that can represent it in a game in both appealing and authentic way. You're also unlikely to get your hands on any globohomo grants, because stuffing your game with fat black lesbians is going to be hard.
>tfw we could've gotten a Rob Roy game but the project instead turned into Ghost of Tsushima
>>719492909>medievalfuck that, I want bronze age kino
>>719504173that's depressing
>>719493090*Americans hate cultureFTFY
>>719492909People who make video games are generally self hating liberals who romanticize different cultures and hate their own. Which is why the best depiction of western fantasy is done by non-western Developers, like the Japanese.
>>719492909Western culture in the mass media age had their fill of medieval stuff with films up until the 1960's were done. There hasn't been a second trend of it yet, and foreign cultures seem less explored and more exotic.
>anon is exposing a good idea prematurelyYou fucking retard OP, please don't ask for this right now. It's been under-the-radar peacefully and now that you've brought it up some faggot western studio mighr just pick the idea up and they'll force black people in the setting or worse, force multiple ethnicities in historical periods they never belonged to.Bring this shit up when the time is right.
sorry anon, any appreciation of european history/culture makes you a fascist neo-nazi white supremacist bad guy
>>719492909jewd education systems don't teach about european history the same way japan learns about their own history(which bleeds into media which inspires people)
>>719492909>medieval japan>yeah, so these warlords keep fighting each other, plus there's the emporer who's the boss of them all>medieval europe>indecipherable clusterfuck you need a degree in just to understand the political systemsfantasy is so popular because it's medieval europe without the complicated stuff.
>>719507959Crazy that Portugal has more or less maintained its national borders for 700+ years
>>719493090It's really this simple.
>Japanese historical fantasy game>set in the Sengoku period>Chinese historical fantasy game>It's Romance of the Three Kingdoms again
>>719507959I'm sure Medieval Japan wasn't that simple either, it's all a matter of choice. You COULD try to be accurate and depict the unique ways each and every shithole kingdom had their own spin on feudalism, or you could just simplify shit and say>this land is owned by a duke who's the vassal of a count who's the vassal of a kingand be done with it, which is what most media does and nobody complains
>>719507959>the politics of an archipelago are less complex than the politics of the largest subcontinent on EarthYou don't fucking say.
>>719508451>boss has a massive brightly colored weakpoint imagine if people in real life did thisfucking stupid game
>>719508451Game 4 is underrated
>>719510389No one's making games about the early modern period. Lots of untapped potential there.
>>719510593https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a60JxzoLosESucks that the Medieval 2 Kingdoms expansions are so barebones. I need more Aztec ludo.
mount and blade comes close
euros and americans have a short memory regarding their own history, unlike the japanese.You could really very easily have a game about pagan warriors traversing iron age europe and encountering lots of prechristian supernatural elements like trolls and dragons the same way japan constantly makes media where ronin travel around and do ronin shit. But euros and americans don't do this because most media that is set in the real world coming from these places tends to either take place in modern times or the future.
>>719508451Literally Dark Souls/ER, except swap 1 with 2.ER might as well have been developed by a different studio with how bloated FROM has become since DS1.Also we can thank Miyazaki for introducing zoomers and americans to the greatness of medieval European culture.
>>719492909If we're talking strictly real-world-based without fantasy elements, there really aren't many of either. If we're talking medieval fantasy, there's tons of both.
>>719492909It's a lot more political is the main reason. It'll be hard to represent anyone being a good guy to the modern woke culture. Actually blah blah had slaves this depiction of him is white supremacy at work. Or something like actually blah blah was a faggot and this is faggot erasure in history. It's why we can't have george Washington or teddy Roosevelt movies we can only get commie lincholn shitJapan isn't held back from self hate of their history. Some of their ships still fly the rising sun flag. Foreigners can be told to fuck off if they critique the game for washing down the evil shit they've done.
>>719499593Excalibur is so good. Got my ttrpg group on board for an almost two year long pendragon campaign.
I want a game where I play as El Cid and take my country back from the moors
>>719493983>>719494137>>719494585>>719494801>>719494306>>719495124>>719498365If europe was so interesting, then why is there so few games about medieval europe.
>>719515464There are tons. It's just that most are strategy games which you are too retarded to enjoy.
>>719494801Have they added Saracens to For Honor yet? That game was already a mishmash so the Warden vs Mameluke should've been done by now.
>>719515464because they dont have automatic guns
>>719515464Bro? Every other fantasy game is based on medieval Europe, just with a bunch of magical (that's based on European folklore) shit on top.
>>719515715they gave up on making full factions after china; instead they put in a bunch of randos under "The Outlanders" bannerthey have a arab lady with mace and shield
>>719515464there are plenty of games about medieval europe. there are countless games, novels, movies, shows, etc that are inspired by medieval Europe in some way. meanwhile nobody other than weebs gives a shit about japanese history.
>>719493328that's not historical
>>719499593>while the only good medieval movie with battles and shit is Excalibur.I was going to try to top you for this but I'm drawing blanks on what could match the criteria. A Knight's Tale is pushing it with the Freddie Mercury cameo and Kingdom of Heaven gets meme'd up the ass.
>>719510389>>719511173Expeditions Conquistadors is set in that time period if you haven't played it yet
>>719492909does this count?
>>719507959>Anno Domina 1257 AD does more justice to this than the AAA has done for entirety of its collective lifespanBeing able to go from a shit sniffing nobody from the Highlands to a warlord running around down in the Iilkhanate is some pure unfiltered kino. Most companies couldn't replicate that on scope let alone drawing up a playable concept.
>>719499998>when the black raven of death starts circling your position and you hear the mushroom brained germs coming over the hillhttps://youtu.be/b2vRLP7lfMg
>>719492909Because euros are sensitive snowflakes and the nature of conflicts would inevitably get some sort of group mad.>religious conflict? Some religious group will be mad>regional war? The nationality you put as the enemy will get madSure it'd be cool to have a quippy Till Eulenspiegel rpg but can you imagine the outcry from Spaniards?
>>719517035Sorry I missed the "fantasy" part.It could be that witcher is too threatening as a point of comparison for most devs, or it could be that European folklore creatures don't have much of an established enemy roster that would also be recognisable (the witcher does make it work however). English/celtic and German folklore would probably be the most pliable in that regard.There's also the issue that with the current sensibilities making a game using the culture of a place without being from that place would lead to crying about cultural appropriation and whatnot.
>>719517035That's why you make all sides playable.
>>719517035I think you're inventing a problem that doesn't exist. AoE 2 lets you play with a ton of different factions portrayed as the hero and no one's getting mad about that. Not any amount of people great enough to be heard anyway. You just need a good story for people to get invested in.
Crusades video game when?
>>719516021how do you know? where you there?
>>719492909Because western devs are bad at making the melee combat.
>>719517035Europeans wouldn't care, see KC:D, Blasphemous, King Arthur: Knight's Tale, etc.it's purely because Americans hate Europe.
>>719520204>to this day Dark Messiah still has not been topped
