Fallout 2 flanderized the series long before Bethesda didOld world blues is awfulBut Bethesda did the most damage
>>719506472im playing the game right now and youre wrong
>>719506472bro there's already a Fallout thread.
>>719506579OP is fine. We have to counteract the offsite normalfag and eceleb nonsense with actual vidya and japanese vidya.
>>719506472>But Bethesda did the most damagei can agree with that, but i feel like a lot of the damage made by Bethesda can still be traced back to Black Isle in some way.
Fallout 2 is easily the worst Fallout game. It's every terrible part of the first game amped up to 10 with none of the good.
>it's "I saw video on youtube so I will parrot it to farm replies" episode You never played original Fallouts
>>719506472it just wasn't avery good game, in general. the first one wasn't even THAT good, i played it last year and it was honestly pretty meh. like a 7/10 game or something, if i had to score it. truth is, the fallout guys just got lucky, they hit absolute gold when they created that ip and the ip is a hundred percent carried by the nostalgia googles that the fans have for it. just look at all the other post-apocalypse games there are out there, none of them managed to break through and create a solid cult following for their series, fallout is the only one on earth that managed to break through and gain a solid cult following in people's minds. the fallout tv show wasn't really that good, either. a solid 5/10 show, nothing more. perhaps 6 on a good day.
>>719508973the fallout guys apparently got lucky three time in a row with three different ips i give them solid 6/10 , if you ask me
Dead thread dead ip
>>719508109ive actually never seen anyone talk about Fallout 2 on youtube, it's always either 1 or New Vegas.
>>719506472only Fallout game I ever dropped
Fallout 2 was the Rick and Morty of pre Bethesda Fallout.
>>719506472Bullshit. I'm tracing you right now man.
who was the Fallout youtuber that turned out to be a lolcow? SchizoElijah?
>>719506472Old World Blues is worse than anything Bethesda has ever done.
>>719506472I think that the Bethesda devs did play fallout, but they only played fallout 2 and thus all their fallout games are just bad fallout 2 fanfics.
>>719506472Fallout 2 adding the twist with the Enclave was greatAdding some Sleaze with New Reno, and the subplot about Myron and the Jet Antidote adds to the world building more than the followers of the apocalypse in 1
fallout 2 is garbage tourist shit
>>719506472no one like this games
>>719508973Stalker has cult following
>>719506472>A few Monty Python references have made lore autists seethe for 25 yearsbased
I cant quite put my finger on it but the game feels off. Mainly the world map feels cheap. Idk Im gonna play it a bit more but I dont like it so far. Also, it lags a lot on my machine
>>719519047>Also, it lags a lot on my machineGo back to 1998 you time traveling nerd, this is my dystopian future
>>719508973This is true. Fallout was never my thing back then, but before 3 even came out, friends would sometimes get on my case about how I had to play 1 and 2.I eventually did play 1, but I didn't like it very much. When I think about giving it another shot, I feel like I'd rather try hard nova or 2400 AD again rather than do that. They definitely weren't for everybody.
>>719506472Nobody cares about this unc game series. The show is bussin tho
>>719506472Conversely, a lot of the lore and world-building, even quest design, that people love about NV takes after content in F2 (e.g. the Vault City/New Reno/NCR quest chain). Bethesda just chose the worst aspects of 2 to capitalize on.
>>719521406Bad bait
>>719506472Yeah I saw that video too. He made decent points. But that dead money video was dumb because he said Christine was a good character.
>>719506472Based.
>>719525279I don't know what video you're talking about, but she was clearly intended to be the one "good" character that you were meant to trust and work with in comparison to the mutant freak and ghoul schlub.
>>719506472I hate FNV and Fallout 4. Any chance I'll like these earlier games with their different gameplay?
>>719526631You'll probably like the writing and world interactivity in 1 and 2
>>719526631Always a chance. In a lot of ways Fallout and Fallout 2 are more immersive than the 3D games and most 3D rpgs in general.
>>719526752>>719526794I've already got them all free from EGS as well as Game Pass. Perhaps I'll check them out, as story and world is what I like most.
>>719526621She's good morality wise but she's way less interesting than any of the others. Dean owns that dlc.
>>719506472These are all correct statements. You haven't awoken the beast
Fallout 2 haters should be genocided. Fallout 2 haters that never even played the game should be tortured beforehand.
>>719527038F2 is a bloatware and the story is retarded.
I enjoy the flanderized titles better despite it not taking itself seriously like 1 did and hitting you over the head with pop culture references & overly comedic gore.
>>719528795sybau nigga
>>719528946understandable, 2, 3 and 4 are fun to play even if 2 has a lot of problems and the stories of 3 and 4 are straight up bad.
Fallout fallout 2 and me are the only universally worthwhile titles. Todd’s fanfiction and substandard contain of existence is irrelevant .
>>719526631FO1 is a test of manhood, as much as a video game can be.
>>719529046You're mad cuz I'm right. F2 starts out as an absolute joke with tribesmen and geckos that look like they belong in sword and sorcery, and culminates with toilet humour. New Reno were the only good part about that game, and the president was a cool character, but everything past that is just dogshit that felt like a mockery of what Fallout actually was.
>>719530920>and geckos that look like they belong in sword and sorceryNta but that's an odd statement, it's the us west coast desert of course there are lizards. I mean deathclaws look like they would be at home in a fantasy game too
>>719530920Fallout 2 should have done a better job of having your encino man character enter what would ultimately be a more advanced New Vegas setting. With much more rebuilt cities and infrastructure.
>>719531015Nah, deathclaws look gritty. Those stupid geckos are so glossy and cartoony I couldn't believe my eyes shit like this is in a Fallout game.
>>719531118Ah ok I guess I get what you mean. Guess my eyes just accepted it as the weird 90s 3d graphics shiny look
>>719530920Fallout 1 had literal orcs in it and this guy is complaining about geckosFallout purists will never make any sense, there's literally no consistency between any of the games
>>719508973100%. That and there's a lot of historical revision by falloutfags to make it sound like it was among the most popular games of it's time. It really wasn't, it was a niche (western rpg) within a niche (mid 90s PC gaming). You'd find way more Ultima, EotB, and Baldur's Gate fans back in the day than Fallout fans, to say nothing about console games. But Fallout had the hardcore cult fandom on its side that carried it into the 2000s. XCOM was kinda the same way.
>>719531710It still would've been nice if Bethesda didn't ruin the look with fo4
>>719530920it's incredible how a big part of San Francisco is just straight up real life references
>>719532498I honestly blame fallout 2 for Bethesda thinking they can do this shit, the fans being the other reason.
>>719508973>>719531964Bullshit. Fallout broke incredible ground, especially when you compare it to the RPGs that existed shortly before it. There's a reason that the "classic" RPGs people still talk about and play go to Fallout and BG1 and mostly no further. Ultima by comparison is a weird curiosity.
>>719533351Fallout should get a lot of credit for being an rpg that dared to not be fantasy or conventional sci fi
>>719533351BG1 and BG2 are such different beasts i ended up dropping 2 midway through.
>>719529395>did you get crit y/nToo save scummy for a test 2bh.
Play fallout sonora right now.
>>719530920The appeal of fallout has always been about seeing how the world has changed and how society has well begun to rebuild itself.with the mad max juvenile phase on its way out to be forgotten
>>719506472>But Bethesda did the most damageAgreed: Bethesda should've left the series to rot and just created its own IP.
>>719533351>Fallout broke incredible ground, especially when you compare it to the RPGs that existed shortly before it.I can tell you haven't played a single rpg that came before Fallout. Wasteland 1 is much more mechanically complex, it almost feels like a sandbox compared to F1-2 due to how much shit you could with it's world, thanks to it's based system that allowed to roll both attributes and skills for same tasks. You could also destroy every single door, even a plot important one, with any kind of explosives you've had; climb over mountains, and destroy walls. Hell, you could even fly a helicopter once, and it also had an appropriate skill for it.
I wish more crpgs were structured like fallout. Theres an intended path that has a pretty natural progression but you're still free to go wherever you want.I usually like to go through every area normally because I' a completions but just knowing I could go straight to Navarro or something if I felt like it makes the world feel so much more real.
>>719533753i wish more games used the targeting system.it's fucked up how the only recent use of it i can think of is Owlcat's 40k: Dark Heresy game.
>>719533753And games like the Ultimas made that the standard for cRPGs of the time, whatever mr. assmad "fallout is the groundbreaker for everything!" back there thinks about it.
>>719533884all the way to Skyrim you can still feel the clear inspiration from Ultima, just like how you can still feel the clear inspiration from Wizardry in modern JRPGs.
>>719533884Yeah but Ultima is gay and lame. Theres a reason no one cares about it anymore.
>>719533637>it almost feels like a sandboxYeah. No shit. Grid-based sandbox with only the bare sketch of a plot was half the RPGs of the 80s. Like what you like. I'm not here to tell you Wasteland is a bad game, that's obviously not true. But again, there's a reason people generally don't go past Fallout and there was an almost total lack of CRPGs in the mid nineties.
>>719534071>agoo gaga im a faggot look at me
>>719531710Yeah the complaints about it being too sword and sorcery esque make no sense when Fallout took a bunch of tried and true fantasy RPG tropes and recontextualized them into a post nuclear sci-fi setting. The BoS are Paladin knights, Super Mutants are orcs, ghouls are undead, first area is a cave with rats, there's a literal thieves guild at one point, etc.
>>719534076>with only the bare sketch of a plotWasteland's story is a direct inspiration to Fallout 1. Except that instead of mutants and the Master, it had malfunctioning robots guided by a crazed Cochise AI originally designed to protect muricans from reds.It might not be as serious or well-written, but it's definetely not a "bare sketch".
>>719534343That's a premise. Not a plot.https://wasteland.protozoic.com/wasteland/wastedisk/paragraph.pdf
>>719534324Except that in Fallout 1 all of it was organic and tasteful and 2 was literally a fucking joke, and a rather bad one.>>719534569You do relize that a lot of these paragraphs are a spoof, because some of them are not even appearing in game, and exist solely to misguide retards who read more than the game tells them too? Judging game's story by reading it one after one like that is dumb. You also should consider a Survival Guide hintbook, it had a fair bit of game's story as well, written in first person.
