WOW, I guess it's not my turn yet, gotta watch 20 more minutes of attacks to get a hit in
Have you tried gitting gud
>>719512042if you pay attention, you'll see there's always a time to attack
>>719512298I honestly hate games that have stats where you can just level up to win
Beat him with co-op and fingerprint shield, never again.I'd rather file my taxes than fight Radahn.
>>719512303>trial and error
>>719512042man, elden ring fucking sucks, and what's worse is that it seems to indicate that from turned into hacks
A good boss is one I can just sit there and whale on.
>>719512404then go play DMCslop. Souls are RPG games
>>719512303Yes, you can always have a turn after the enemy's turn and you can choose to attack, defend or move around.
>>719512298dogshit STRannyyou didn't beat the game>>719512824>filtered by DMC toolmao are you a nigger or something? holy shit ive never seen a worse shit taste
>>719512042>spellchucker with no vigor Deserved
>>719512824>RPG is when I overleveled so any semblance of a character build is rendered useless
>>719512042so it's just not possible for From to ever go back to something with the pace of DS1 right? like, the progressive increase in player mobility is seen by like 99% as just a straight QoL improvement, and the simpler more methodical style of movesets simply pose no challenge with that mobility. their best best is to just double-down and do the same thing with Sekiro-style combat, can probably only escalate things once before it surpasses ER levels of obnoxiousness, and then I guess they're just done making good games
>>719513118RPGs are games in which the outcome of a battle is determined more by how well you built your characters and the resources you have available to you than by skillful execution, yes.
>>719512042How’d did you even get this far without learning you have to dodge towards the boss?
>>719512042you either parry half his shit or use a greatshield>>719512404why are you even in this rpg thread then
>>719513150>so it's just not possible for From to ever go back to something with the pace of DS1 right?no, they stopped giving a fuck about level design, meaningful exploration, and deliberate combat almost immediately, and now their fandom has convinced them that the only thing worth doing and playing is the hardest and fastest bosses they can come up with>and then I guess they're just done making good gamesthey are already
>>719513002seething dextranny, everyone knows trannies love bleed and dexstrGODS run this board
>>719512298hehe chicken leg go bonk
>>719513150>so it's just not possible for From to ever go back to something with the pace of DS1 rightNo. You better hope some other dev makes something like it.The biggest issue of souls games is not player mobility, it's iframes. Remove iframes and they would have to actually carefully design their bosses instead of rollfest galore and rare retards trying to cope with it by showing absurd trial and error targeting breaks and ai manipulation.Sekiro was a massive step in the right direction if they want to keep speed escalation, but wo long did it better.
>>719513150Thats why shit like centipede demon being in Nightreign is actually a joke
>>719513118>>719513002that is clearly a distinguishable build in an post end game area. Its smart gameplay to stack every advantage you can to dumpster the boss. Keep coping actionslopper
>>719513484>Sekiro was a massive step in the right directionSo Elden Ring is an even bigger step since its Souls with Sekiro's speed and jump
>>719512298>"gitting gud" means grinding for countless hours until you do insane damageKill your body.
>>719513662>grindinglol retard
>>719513613And without deflects (no, a 5 minute tear in the DLC doesn't fucking count) or mikiri counters and no jumping counters. In other words it's not a fucking Sekiro and you're a dumb mother fucker.
>>719512824there are no roleplaying aspects to souls games, they're action adventure
>>719512042>absolute worst possible meme build with no hpa shitpost, a bad shitpost, but still a shitpost
>>719513328>why are you even in this rpg thread then>NOOOOO DONT INTRUDE MY SAFE SPACE TO CRITICIZE SOMETHING
>>719513827I roleplay a gigachad who chooses his weapon by which weights the most and kills every npc he meets on sight.Explain to me exactly how it’s not an rpg without bringing up dialogue choices
>>719512824>RPG>role playing>role plays as an overleveled cuck and watches his stats beat the game for himyeah it checks out haha
>>719513807>I CANT MASH L1>I CANT MASH CIRCLE TO SCRUB COUNTER>I (CAN) JUMP SWEEPS BUT THERES NO ON SCREEN INDICATOR AND IM A RETARDED NIGGER SO IM GONNA CRY ANYWAY Pathetic
>>719513150They could go back to making 1st person games.
>>719513230>>719513531>Ball of stats where there's no tradeoff>"""""""""""""build""""""""""""""""You overleveled shitters are something else
Play superior action games.
>>719513807also unlike with sekiro they forgot to make it fun
>>719513967Are you really dickriding THIS game?>>719512298
>>719514027What exactly are you gonna do about it besides seethe?
>>719513950by that metric literally any game in which you get to make choices is an RPGTF2 is an RPG because you get to pick your loadout and decide that you will drink your bonk on cooldown because scout is physically addicted to it
>>719514040>UHH ARE YOU UHHH D-DICK R-RIDING TH-THIS UHHHHDumb nigger
>>719513662That damage isn't particularly insane for the DLC. Also I'd say building a stronger character to beat a boss is significantly smarter than spending that time beating your face against the wall trying to beat a boss when you're weak as fuck. ER and other such games have extremely little skill transfer from one boss to another, but on the other hand character strength transfers fully and directly. A stronger character is stronger against all enemies in the game, you learning to perfectly dodge all attacks for 1 boss just makes you good against 1 boss, then you leave and the next one beats your face into the dirt again because it's completely different.
>>719513827>character creator>stats>gear>buildsits an action rpg. Being part visual novel is not a requirement for an rpg
>>719512298>copying a cheese build>tells other to git gud
>>719514202Someone get this sperglord an ambulance before he shits all over the floor
>>719514162I asked you to explain how Elden ring isn’t an rpg, not how ever game is one though?
>>719514027There's tradeoff to the build, it's just extremely good against that boss because it's tailor made to fuck her. That's how you play RPGs. Stay filtered.
>>719514232i addressed it based upon the standard you set; you can choose what weapons you use and how you use themthat isn't sufficient to qualify for being an RPGyou can headcanon anything in any game; pong is an RPG by this metric
>>719513150The issue is that most players who play these sorts of games are huge losers whose only sense of accomplishment in life comes from beating them and bragging about it online, so From has to cater to them by making things "harder" for the sake of it even when it's no longer fun or fair, and as for the speed of their newer games most people nowadays are braindead so they'll hardly play a game that doesn't feel like a constant attack on the senses
>>719514331I brought up the weapons weight because it implies something, hmmmm
>>719514239There's no tradeoff when your build can do literally everything because it has all the softcaps, what a fucking retarded post
>>719514415yeah, like my choice of the beggar's bazooka implies i am a schizophrenic, homeless version of soldier and my choice to hide near garbage cans in ambush reinforces this
>>719512042whys your HP bar so teeny tiny?
>>719512298Based str GOD dabbing on dex and magic tards
>>719514465It has a lack of mobility, low defense (look at how his HP shreds at the beginning), and relies on the enemy being stationary long enough to get bonked several times for the poise break. >actually you didn't build your character because you built it too much!Stay filtered and stop playing RPGs.
>>719512298>Levels up to 500OMG HOW ARE YOU SO GOOD AT THE GAME XISTER
>>719514475No because the character has to be leveled in a certain way to effectively use it without being hamstrung. Almost like a decision to take one benefit leads to a concession understood by a system of points and derived values from those points I wonder what that is
>>719514592Best build in the game.
>>719514592>looks up guide to beeline to best gear for cheese build le wow this game's exploration is jawdropping!!!!!
>>719512042Why are you rolling backwardWhy do you have like 20 vigor
>>719514573>It has a lack of mobility,He's not fat rolling and can choose to dodge at any moment, you are retarded>low defense (look at how his HP shreds at the beginning), Scadushit fragments + fuck tons of vigor from overleveling, there's no tradeoff because it's a tank and a DPS at the same time and you are retarded>and relies on the enemy being stationary long enough to get bonked several times for the poise break.lol
>>719513437>they stopped giving a fuck about level design, meaningful explorationElden Ring has some of the best levels that FROM has ever designed, by far. Stormveil, Leyndell, Miquella's Tree, the Shadow Keep, and Belurat are all insanely good levels.Getting to Euporia is fucking insane.
>>719513150>so it's just not possible for From to ever go back to something with the pace of DS1 right? like, the progressive increase in player mobility is seen by like 99% as just a straight QoL improvement, and the simpler more methodical style of movesets simply pose no challenge with that mobility. DS1 poses no challenge even with the older slower movement
>>719514749What are you even talking about
>>719514749>>719514592>>719512298you all are embarrassing holy heck!
>>719514573>It has a lack of mobilitywhat the fuck does this even mean, this sounds like a retarded AI trying to analyze a game it never played
>>719514231>S-SOMEONE PP-PLEZ ST-STOP THE B-BULLYINGGCry, nigger, cry
>>719513484>The biggest issue of souls games is not player mobility, it's iframes. Remove iframes and they would have to actually carefully design their bosses instead of rollfest galore and rare retards trying to cope with it by showing absurd trial and error targeting breaks and ai manipulation.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF_Gksd_4Y0You need to kill yourself
>>719515081I wish I were able to have fun like that, I could just hold a disconnected joystick and press forward r1 r1 r1 r1 square forward r1 r1 r1 square and have the time of my life
>>719512042>spend the entire battle rolling like a retard>never fight back>what the fuck why didn't I win?Kill yourself
>>719514646>I wonder what that isa system which is used in RPGs, in the same way swords exist in elden ring but elden ring is not an FPS like TF2, where swords also existER has RPG systems, but it is not an RPG; any and all actual roleplaying has to be done in your head because your actions have no meaningful effect on your character beyond "i leveled this stat to do more damage" and your actions have no effect on the world beyond the required linear progression or the visual effects of frenzied flamethe closest you get are a few small character quests where if you do them it plays out the same way every time - since you can't make any choices - or if you don't do them then nothing happens (minor exceptions exist like killing an NPC halfway through the quest)
>>719515081>she posts an example of an NG+ run that has malenia's very god damn rune equippedYou're such a dumb gorilla, i have no proper insults for you, just pity
>>719515490NG+ is way harder than NG+0 you fucking retard
>>719512042>rolling awayngmi
>>719514874I got to it without trouble on day one of the DLC. Enir Illim was just a worse raya lucaria. You're a fucking retard if you think that's hard to get to
>>719515081That anon is retarded but holy fuck this video really showcases how fucking garbage the systems are in this game>Needs a fucking modded poise bar to tell when the fuck the boss is going to stagger because in the vanilla game you have to guess>Have to stacks a bunch of consumables and buffs in the middle of the battle because that's how it works in le tabletops amirite>Spamming perseverance like the average pvpnigger who thinks he's skillful
>>719512042>that HP>wearing the lightest armor in the gameyou only get to look good if you can back it up with skills
>>719515565And your dad works at Nintendo, I'm sure.No you didn't you fucking poser. Lying to impress people who know you is one thing but to do it with anonymous people on the internet? Disgraceful.
>>719514874All of those fun legacy dungeons are separated by meters of nothingness thanks to the epic open world so when the average person gets to them they just skip them straight to the bossFucking garbage ass game, fuck open worlds
>>719515565it's not necessarily hard but it's a spectacle to get to it, and it's clever level design to have it entirely feel like you're doing something you're not supposed to doif the Euphoria descent was in dark souls you'd be praising it as Fromsoft's best design and lamenting how modern games don't do something like that anymore
>>719512824>Souls are RPG games
>>719515687>Have to stacks a bunch of consumables and buffs No, he just wanted to in order to facilitate a funny meme gameplay style, which elden ring allows because it's a good game>Spamming perseverance like the average pvpnigger who thinks he's skillfulOkay you do it
>>719513150They probably won't because of player expectations, as the players are retardedThere are different ways of making soulslike content hard and it doesn't have to look like Radahn, but you have to be able to commit to limitations on the player end and people who don't know any better complain about any limitation you give themWhat I would like to see games do is to lean MORE into "mobility", except what I mean by mobility is avoiding things by changing your position, via actual movement instead of i-frames and flippy bippy anime spins.You could remove i-frames entirely from an initial quickstep move, then only have i-frames on a dedicated big roll triggered by tapping the button twice, which can be tuned like a monhun superman dive where you don't want to use it if you can help it because the recovery is so long. Make moving out of the way of attacks in advance the primary means of avoiding stuff, which is naturally slower than just pressing an invulnerable roll, and then the enemies can be slower to accommodate that. You add spice by having multiple ways of handling different attacks, make jumping over stuff intuitive by having the animations and hitboxes make sense, have block/parry options which are useful against some forms of attack but aren't a one size solution to everything. etc.
>>719512042i know it's bait, but i actually did drop Elden Ring because i got sick of feeling like i was on the receiving end of a Devil May Cry clip farmer. meticulously choosing your openings kinda falls apart when the bosses start performing 15-25 second long attack sequences between my one or two swings. at least Berserker Khazan let me learn a bunch of ARPG skills to help deal with this shit in a flashier manner. Elden Ring let's you equip one Ash of War and suddenly thinks your glorified Hellcaina ass is ready to fight boss Vergil.
>>719515687Reliance on temporary buffs is my biggest issue with ER endgame contentBeing able to stack 5+ temporary buffs on top of whatever your gear and talismans provide is just retarded but the abundant availability also suggests that the devs plan on you using them
>>719515829If my 580 hours in the game are worth anything (and they are), you're just a jaded doo-doo head who's blinded by his own fatigue. Normal players do not "skip to" much of anything in Elden Ring because the enemies fuck them up too hard to be run past.Elden Ring's open world is also great and I don't care how much /v/ pretends it's not. /v/'s issue is that it was simply too much game, and /v/ wanted a 10 hour game instead of a 100 hour game.>>719515849Exactly. You have to go way out of your way to even see the entry point to the parkour, and if there's no sign there telling you "you can make this jump" then you're risking a death in a very hostile area to even test the theory.
>>719516102>at least Berserker Khazan let me learn a bunch of ARPG skills to help deal with this shit in a flashier manner.are fights fun in that game? I had the same experience with elden ring
>>719512042>Miss gaps>WTF WHEN IS MY TURN?
>>719516178>and I don't care how much /v/ pretends it's not.It's not /v/, it's a handful of persistent shitposters
>>719516102litteraly what the point of this shit ? i would do one hit every 6 minute and never waste my time trying to see if i can do one more and die
>>719516178>Elden Ring's open world is also greatwe've gotten to the point that an open world that manages to be worse than Ubisoft's is called great just because the great untouchable FROM made it, damn
>>719516102>I know it's bait, but I actually did drop Elden Ring because I wasn't good enough to play itthat is very unfortunate, why would you admit this?
>>719516178>Elden Ring's open world is also great
>>719515829>All of those fun legacy dungeons are separated by meters of nothingnessMuch like previous Souls games had like 2 decent levels in a sea of dogshit you were forced to wade through.Elden Ring however has the decency of giving you full freedom of progression and something nice and relaxing to run through instead of forcing you to waste time in some dogshit gray brick "maze"Oh but open world is fine if it's made of empty corridors!
>>719512042>dodging AWAY from the bossSeriously, From should win another GOTY for making shazamtrannies like you still cry and whine years after their release.
>>719516102There's a balance to be struck and a lot of ER is not striking it
>>719512042>roll roll roll roll roll
>>719516386>something nice and relaxing to run throughopenslop lover normie who listens to podcasts while "playing" spotted
>>719516315Ubishit's "open world" tells you exactly where everything is at every step, defeating the purpose of an open world: exploration. You're not fooling anyone, ubishill.
>>719516315>an open world that manages to be worse than Ubisoft's It's not, you are a faggot retard
>>719513002Lol, keep dodging you roll slop mosquito.
>>719516178>and /v/ wanted a 10 hour game instead of a 100 hour game.Name one reason this is a bad thingWhy waste my time on 100 hours when 10 hours would do the trick? I've got other shit to do
>>719512042Could have easily gotten 2 hits in there in this webm, and who goes into consort radahn with like 15 vigor, playing an int build with just 15 mind? Should have at least 50, but probably 60 vigor by that point, and at least 30-40 mind.
>>719512042Remember when before the dlc dropped, people here thought that the guy sharing clips of this fight just modded elden ring with a shitty boss fight with retarded bullet hell attacks and that there was no way it was real, but then it turns out it was 100% real and fromsoft is just THAT shit now? good times, what a ride
>>719516475>Uses tourist lingo while calling others normalfagsThis is a website for adults kid, school is starting soon so you better get those summer homeworks done before it's too late
>>719516386Why do open world trannies always resort to "le vistas" and "le relaxing atmosphere", did you enjoy exploring the finger ruins for an hour before finding out it had nothing of value too
HAHAHA SLOP TRANNY TRANNY SLOP HAHAHAHAHA LETS ALL REPEAT THE SAME WORSS OVER AND OVER
>>719516549>I have other things to waste time on>I must consoome as much differently branded slop as possibleYou are a nigger
>>719516567>Bro that's OBVIOUSLY modded Pontiff, my beloved Fromshartware would NEVER recycle anything, specially for the final boss
>>719512298>all these seething faggotsStrength GODS just can't stop winning, literally.
>>719513150They proved they CAN make a real video game that isn't just more souls shit but the gay roll spam souls shit is what the entirety of their cultist players want, they unironically would rather have elden ring 2 or dark souls 4 with no gameplay changes than a new thing
>>719516569start playing games that don't need a second screen to help you wade through them or get on adhd meds
>>719516660Holy fuck...
>>719512042>that tiny as fuck health barasking for it
>>719516601>He spent an hour running around in the finger ruinsReally speaks volumes about your mental capacity given people with an IQ above that of a bonobo can do that in 10 minutes at best.Imagine trying to patronize anyone on the internet while admitting you got lost in a small open area for an hour, I dread to think what would happen to you irl if you went to a beach, you'll somehow get lost in there die like one of those poor folks who got lost in the catacombs of paris
>>719512298>must have your health or stamina bar that's half the size of the screen in order to not get instantly killedwhy?
>>719512042It's just anime bullshit now isn't it? When I first got into souls I played Dark Souls then got a copy of DeS and remember really liking how grounded and believable everything was, it was pretty refreshing coming from Japanese devs
>>719516567Except that now /v/ celebrates it
>>719512042>*rolls away from enemy*>WAHHH WHY CAN'T I ATTACK
>>719516775Keep making assumptions kid, wanna hop on +R for a quick FT10 and see who actually plays vidya?Nah, we both know you're just here to avoid getting the mental therapy you desperately need.
>>719516797>Lol the open world is sooooooooo good you can find so much good stuff in it if you explore chuddie>Actually it's good that there isn't content and you should expect nothingInsane leap of logic but okay
>>719512298Waow! Run up unga bunga much skill!
>>719516656'member when v wasn't a place for retards who love watered down empty slogs? was it mmorpgs that did this?
>>719512298>have you tried getting good??!?! (face tanking with havels) classic
>>719515849>if the Euphoria descent was in dark souls you'd be praising it as Fromsoft's best design and lamenting how modern games don't do something like that anymoreNostalgiatrannies don't want to admit this, but it's true.Literally every part of DS1 that's circlejerked over is just running for 90 minutes because you're slow as shit, or parts everyone runs past like the grave. The instant you get to Sens it's just that, and only worsened for Anal Bongo, Izalith, etc. Hell, even the final area before Gwyn is one big ass empty area with 4 or 5 enemies, because the game as a whole is unfinished, but nostalgiatrannyism being the corruptable drug it is, causes these retards to forgive it and act like earlier Souls games are "le peak of le game le design" because it was their first entry in the series and they're biased towards it.Demon's Souls suffers from much of the same shit too. DS2 did until its expansion came out and copypasted 400 enemies per room.
How much vit should I have for this fight as a mage?
>>719517061This is why DS3 is the best one
>>719516219in my opinion, fuck yeah. the only caveat is that there are only 3 weapon types – dual-wielding, greatsword, and spear. having access to a Parry and being able to invest skill points into not only damaging abilities but also ones that provide invulnerability frames helps a ton. the spear in particular has a really cool invuln frame ability that will close distance gaps if you use it to "dodge" ranged attacks.and there's no jump button, so the level design is very straightforward and not confusing or designed for you to get lost in. i came to appreciate the fuck outta that almost immediately since there are still several weapon abilities that involve leaping at your opponent or into the air before striking down.>>719516297pretty much.>>719516348it's not even that i felt like i couldn't do it. i absolutely could have. it just wasn't worth the effort anymore after a certain point. my brain stopped producing dopamine for Elden Ring because i'd spend an hour and a half consulting a guide to traverse the gigantic ass map, then i'd spend another hour playing Red Light, Green Light with Mante or Mergil, then repeat in a new zone with no new ability rewards or progression incentives. they just lost my interest.
>>719513150DeS and DaS were only slow because From can't make real action games. They could only make Ninja Blade. So instead of improving their slow clunky gameplay, they slowed down the rest of the game around it. With each game they're slowly improving and reaching the point that DMC was at 20 years ago.
>>719516660>rightHe clipped through the attack at least 3 times, this series really is rollslop
>>719516973Yeah, you can find a lot of nice stuff if you're not a bonobo, I don't expect somebody who admits he gets lost in the virtual equivalent of a public bathroom to know though
>>719517061>Literally every part of DS1 that's circlejerked over is just running for 90 minutes because you're slow as shitbased ds1 giving players the rare fantasy of moving around like someone in heavy armor with an heavy weapon in a dangerous environment
>>719517123dont do the fight as a mage, just respec strength like everyone else
>>719516569Summer homework was done the weekend after it was handed out. Thanks OpenAI and ChatGPT. LOL
>>719517126Of the original Souls games, yes. Best overall design. "Muh lore" is still DS1, since 2 and 3 had almost no involvement from Miyazaki and were just like "yeah lol here's this stuff from 1 and 2 I guess looooool oh and here's souls in everything that shouldn't have them">>719517204Knights had to be agile while wearing armor, no one cares about your mistaken and misinformed sense of """""realism""""" autism, bro.
I'm glad to see I'm not the only person who thought ER was the worst souls. Between the boring designs, insane amount of reused bosses, and boring inching combat, I just got bored after the holy city. Played more PVP than the game, griefing some spots was pretty fun.
>>719517131>it's not even that i felt like i couldn't do it. i absolutely could have. it just wasn't worth the effort anymore after a certain pointcome on man that is pure cope on display. who are you trying to convince here?
>>719512298You took damage. No "getting good" involved here, if you didn't do it no-hit you didn't kill the boss.
This guy actually took me more than 2h to beatLike, I always thought the people who are like "dark souls is so hard" were retarded, but this boss was actually pretty hard.The other from software bosses I struggled a lot with besides this guy were demon of hatred in sekiro (sword saint isshin took me like 20 mins, demon was like hours), O&S in my level 1 playthrough, and this bitch here >>719512298
>>719512042It's always my turn
>>719517204>DS1>Dangerous environments
>>719517134DMC is shit and you have never played it
>>719516970>Keep making assumptions kid, wanna hop on +R for a quick FT10 and see who actually plays vidya?omg it's the 1v1me in game meme, go to bed or find something better to do with your life gramps
>>719517186Yeah, all those gold tinged excrements were so cool to find. It really paralleled with how shit the game was.
>>719517186I'll be sure to take in consideration the opinion of a petulant child who thinks staring at pretty vistas is enough content and it's okay when From does empty worthless areas
Didn't they nerf Rahdan. If you didn't beat ER and the DLC as it was released, you didn't beat the game.
>>719517268even if I use a mimic?
>>719517028I remember when /v/ was mostly populated by whites and could enjoy one game for a while instead of madly hopping between FotMs like it's a social obligation. Nigger.
>>719517274it's not a matter of realism, it's a fantasy that no action game caters to anymore because everything has to be anime
>>719517360You beat the game.
>>719517442we don't sign our posts here.
>>719516549Because 10 hours DOESN'T do the trick. Does my 580 hours not make that clear? A real game enthusiast wants to play and play and keep playing the game that they love. I don't love video games so I can consume product and then pretend to be excited for next product. I play games to fully immerse myself in an experience, for however long as that experience can hold my attention. The longer the better, because it means I get to avoid spending money on things that I don't really want to play.
>>719515484These are the most extreme mental gymnastics I’ve ever read on /v/, congratulations
>>719517484autism
>>719516660Man I didn't want to believe but I really didn't think they would recycle for the final boss. I should have expected it, there's probably Demon's souls animations and skeletons still being used somewhere.
>>719517482You don't need to, your posts are clearly stained by your nigger hands.
>>719517386>Questions a stranger's capacity for playing videogames>Runs away like the coward he is when challenged to prove his claimsIt never gets old, you mental midgets think you're le cool internet trole when all you do is simply embarassing yourselves in here day after dayYou're not even good enough for casual action games
>>719517268>just respec strength like everyone elsegreat game design btw, ty miyazaki senpai sama kakka san
>>719517552Recycling per se isn't badBut recycling moves and the very concept for the fucking final boss of the DLC is unacceptable
>>719517580>Questions a stranger's capacity for playing videogamesnever happened, I questioned your taste for enjoying empty boring open worlds>Runs away like the coward he is when challenged to prove his claimsyou are cringe and should strive to do something better with your time and life
>>719517625To be fair I don't think I would have ever made the connection between Pontiff and Radahn if it hadn't been pointed out. They're so different that even though they use the same animations it doesn't seem the same.
>>719516567It was fun but no where as fun when this leaked
>>719515484>your actions have no effect on the world beyond the required linear progressionThere are tabletop RPGs that work like this. "Role playing" is a meme. You are always limited to the game's multiple choice. In the context of game genres it only means a focus on character stats and progression.
>>719517713based vavra getting that sweet sweet esg money while stringing chuds along pretending he's on their side
>>719517713Frankly even in the context of the game Henry isn't exactly smart enough to know that he might be talking bullshit. He just nods and goes along with it because it sounds right to him.
>>719517408The vast majority of games around have literally no consideration for meaningful map design or enemy placement, FROM's games before ER were even worse but you'll never admit it because you think you're special for being shit at videogames in 2009 when you were running around copypasted empty corridors dodging even more lethargic enemies.You think you're somehow proving a point by raging against the very same thing you glorified.>>719517675I don't enjoy the Dark Souls trilogy though, I merely like ER for what it is, a casual action adventure game.You should take your own advice though, shitposting for almost 4 years on a daily basis isn't how you should spend your best years
>>719517781Vavra was literally on /v/ sperging, what a faggot
>>719516567People thought it was faked because the animations and visuals were blatantly unfinished
>>719513613With the biggest difference being that enemies in Sekiro do reasonable damage and that things actually happen when you press the buttons, without delay.
>>719517381That's nice. Its combat is still light years ahead of fromslop. Some day they might even figure out air juggles.
>>719512298This bitch took like 2 or 3 parries with a lightning miesericorde and she was toast. It's funny she was a filter for people
>>719517713no idea what pic related is about, but from the looks of it it's probably some culture war shit kindly go back, thank you
>>719512042This is why what people stupidly call "parryslop" like Sekiro, Lies of P, or Nine Sols is my preference because bosses can pull off crazy combos and you can still be working towards a victory.
>>719517868Saar I will redeem
>>719517462Flinging around giant 300+ pound slabs of steel swords with no issue is anime too, retardtroon. Especially when the swords shoot out projectiles and magic and shockwaves.It literally is just your own autism.
>>719517868The culture war started with gamergate which literally started here. You are the tourist.
>>719517859Air juggles are fucking retarded. The enemy does literally nothing, how riveting.
>>719517859>Some day they might even figure out air juggles.on one hand that might give players too much freedom and expression which is something that from doesn't want because the more restricted the pc the less effort they have to put in designing enemies to feel artificially hard, on the other it's very animu so they might just bite the bullet and get through with it now that they have added jumping
>>719517904Not dying is already working towards victory, you just like games that make it even easier to not die
>>719517868Way to out yourself
>>719512042God I fucking despite this shit so much. That moveset makes sense in a game like Devil May Cry or Ninja Gaiden, but you are going to throw this shit at me and just expect me to roll like a faggot. Really? That's the way you want me to defend myself against this? Rolling like a pig on the floor? Is that the best design this game has for defense? It looks so fucking ugly and retarded. I can't wait for these rollslop shit to finally die like Guitar Hero (rip Guitar Kino)
>>719517904>Nine Solsis it as good as sekiro and lies of p? and if so got more recommendations along those lines?
>>719518005Crazy thing to say when er has so many tools for you to just stand in the bosses face and be immortal. What
>>719512298absolutely clobbered
>>719517859If I wanted to juggle things I'd play a fighting game, at least I'm juggling another player there and earning the juggle, not bullying some braindead sandbag that pretends to be a threatYou fags are so embarassing
>>719516813>It's just anime bullshit now isn't it?yes
>>719517904Slopkiro, Slop of P and Nine Slops.
soulshit got to the point where the only reasonable play style is tank/shield pokeNo, I will not be a dexfag doing 15 rolls and chipping away 2% of your healthI'll just stand in place.
FromSoft has never made a good game
>>719517984It's like any other combat option, they could punish you for using it carelessly. Against real enemies it would be a more interesting way to optimize stance breaks than just riposting.
God I love saying the word slop, just rolls off the tongue just right. Slop...!!
>>719513662Theres nothing to "grind" in the DLC because youre capped by scadutree level. Your character level doesnt matter. You havent played the DLCAnd this guy >>719512298 is basically just capped at scadu level available at that stage of the game, since you cant get more before beating Rellana>>719514592Lvls almost dont matter in the DLC, everyones supposed to be 150-200 at the start of it anyway >>719516798Youre expected to have 70 VIG in the DLC....In short, GET GUD faggots.
>>719512706I like ER, but FROM are definitely in their "phoning it in sloppy AAA" era now and it's really sad. They just came out with a fucking retread cash grab that all the Fromniggers hoped no one would notice that's all it was, and their next game is yet another pithy multiplayer game that looks like We Have Bloodborne At Home on Switch 2.
>>719518102Yeah, and I can also choose not to use any of them or tailor a character to my liking.Meanwhile something like Sekiro is literally just simon says, no choice, no depth, no options, you're just invincible by default and press the button associated with the glowing prompt to awesome
>>719518148>No, I will not be a dexfag doing 15 rolls and chipping away 2% of your health>I'll just stand in place.
>>719518057Lies is overrated, Nine Sols is better
>>719518057I just played it for the first time and really enjoyed it. I don't even like the metroidvania genre, but still liked it a lot. Highly recommended.
>>719517061If you don't like Dark Souls you don't like RPGs, you like action games with RPG mechanics like Nioh 2 and Rise of the Ronin.
>>719512042>you didn't beat the game>x build is bad, y build is good>git gud>cheese>tranny>niggerdid I missed anything in those fucking threads?
>>719518223>I like ER, but FROM are definitely in their "phoning it in sloppy AAA" era now and it's really sadIt's their modus operandi since forever ago.Of course underages like you are too young to remember the era of multiple copypasted King's Field or the dozens of Armored Core games churned down at no cost with enormous asset recycling, Souls itself started off recycling assets from other games too.But now that ER has been FROM's biggest success by a long shot you're all starting to get outraged and pretending this isn't how FROM always operated since they entered the business, pretty pathetic but expected from a shithole populated by Xitter and Reddit rejects
>>719512042I wouldn't mind the bosses attacking so much, if most of them didn't also run away so fucking much.
>>719518102Like every other Souls game? Slap on a big shield = super easy win. Slap on a big shield with magic/great magic shield = super duper easy win. Use magic = 1 shot the boss from a mile away, which ER copied too.For Demon's Souls almost every boss staggered on hit, even the last few bosses, and you could literally stunlock them with daggers and not take a single point of damage.You faggots just have to be larping, anyone that's being even remotely honest in this discussion realizes the games have always been hilariously easy to break and cheese with even 0.3 seconds of thought put into a build.>>719518414I like Souls, I don't like nostalgiatrannies and larpers who act like ER isn't just taking several pages out of DeS, DS1 and DS2's books.You all would know this if you actually played those games, instead of shitposting since ER's success broke your brains.
>>719518530The only bosses who actually run away from you are the horseback bosses, which are just a handful.And the Elden Beast I guess.
>>719518220>since you cant get more before beating RellanaJust to be clear: Rellana is an optional boss. You don't need to fight her so you can have max scadublessing before doing so.
>>719512042Git Gud
>>719518594I don't mind the asset flip, and I deal with the boss design by using greatshields or ashes and ranged attacks.I replay DS1 and DS2 once in a while, can't get myself to replay Elden Ring because there's no moment I look forward to.
>>719516102Shitter tourist, gtfo>becauseBecause the filter works as intended
>>719512042>brainless rolling >get punished>not able to get a hit in since he got punished for panic rolling>bitch about it on /v/(again)>someone shit talks dmc>instant replies Hmmm....
>>719519283based Red Light, Green Light enjoyer
>>719518925You can tell from the dmg hes taking that hes on normal game progression and area appropriate scadu lvl
>>719512042Why are you rolling away? Roll in buddy, you need to hit the guy Theres whole bunch of openings in these combos that youre supposed to be using
>>719515509Your entire build only works on NG+, moron. And it requires you to kill this very boss.
Elden mid...worst game Fromsoft has ever made...
>>719516660Is this their first final DLC boss with recycled animations?
>>719519592more like elden shit, I wish it were mid
>>719519478I recall her hitting WAY harder than that when I did Castle Ennis as my way into Scaduview.
>>719515509Not really, ng4 and beyond are where it really ramps past what you can scale with and you have to git gud regardless
>>719515509NG+ is a victory lap for babies
>>719519539Getting hit by every attack on purpose isn't a "build", retard. Also this would be possible without the rune in NG+0. Also, "your"? Not my video dipshit
>>719518220>Youre expected to have 70 VIG in the DLCNo youre just a lil fag who grinded like crazy. 70 vigor is nearly the same as 60, the fact you leveled up so much shows your utter retardation. Probably used spirit ashes for every boss too.
>>719519679You just have shit taste because you're a retarded NElden GOAT > DS1 > Bloodborne > the rest
>>719518594Why did you reply to me when this isn't about elden ring vs dark souls
>>719515081>Tanks Scarlet AeoniaDamn, I thought for sure that move was designed to make sure you had to dodge it.
>>719519970Same bro.
I used tortoise strategy on Consort Rahdan
>>719520139Pre or post nerf?
>>719517204finally a sane person. fuck naruto running around like some retard
>>719512042Git gud
>>719519417>based Red Light, Green Light enjoyerYou braindead tourists, DMCfaggot hack and slash subhumans have only been seething nonstop at Souls games being exactly the opposite of Red Light, Green Light You can't conceive spacing and position and you are too mentally stunted to actually understand the limitations are in place to force the player to adapt to restriction, which is why you want parryslop kekiro shit instead.You are nothing but retards and should fuck off to your dead series.
>>719520757>adapt to restrictionTo do what. One r1/l2 or jump attack?Im amazed how wrong elden ringo went when sekiro at least let you change blows.
>>719512042There were several opportunities to attack, you are a goddamn fucking retard, and it's a damn shame I had to waste even 5 neural impulses on your retarded drivel.Lmao, you're also a vigorlet. I hate people so much.
>>719520873Souls games are not braindead combofaggotry for retards, every part of your toolset is designed deliberately to carry utility and you can instantly swap anythingSekiro tools are lame as shit because Yamamura is a retarded hack, so anything that isn't fire is poorly integrated into the combat loot and postire/hp system
>>719512042>>719512298Twin retards. I wonder why people who have normal playthroughs don't post gifs or videos?I guess only narcissists who need to do things "their way" are likely to post.
The main issue isnt learning the patterns.Is that learning the patterns have become annoying. Combos are longer, animation cancels are more common, attacks have many time different delays and timings compared to previous entries and many have weird wonky boxes that need experiment rather than logic to evade.It wouldnt be that bad if it was only him being like that but since every boss is that, it has become and expected and unappealing to learn this patterns anymore. In a bubble radhan is fune, but given the rest of the game he is in, it ends up a mediocre bossfight outside just visual spectacle.
>>719521114The average player summoned let me reddit her to play the game they paid 60 dollars for
>>719521049>carry utiltyOh yeah that r1,l2 does have really different utilities. Whole ass weapon moveset are unused most of the time in bossfights.At least sekiro prostetics have specific functions.
They nerfed the fight so you can’t complain about the difficulty anymore. Only valid complaints are about how it’s Radahn and it’s lame.
>>719512042Rellana and Radahn are both really fun bosses.
>>719521404The horned warriors just before getting to him already have a bs moveset.
>>719521436to them it was worth it so they can brag about having beaten le ebin difficult game and what an experience it was
>>719517274The chosen undead is extremely agile by realistic standards. Do you think knights were wavedashing across the battlefield?
To this day, i don't know how I 100%'d it. It's so boring.
>>719512298Why no I did not bother learning the spastic blob moveset how could you tell?
>>719517948And they got kicked out because they were too cancerous for the board, in fact even before then you were told to go to /new/ or /pol/ if you started yapping about culture war shit, because it was gay then and it's gay now
>>719523273Nobody that was part of the old internet was pathetic and thin-skinned enough to believe he's waging a war when he defends shit games and poor design choices. Your life is so unbelievably sad.
>>719523719yappachino
>>719524053Try not to cry yourself to sleep when your PTSD triggers.
>>719524107projection and yap
>>719524135And a bix nood to you too you little girl.
>>719513150why would they ever go back to the pace of the DS1 when it it's abundantly clear to anyone with a brain that Miyazaki already perfected that style with the first half of DS1 and thus he has no interest in it anymore?
>>719512298Grugmaxxed, ungapilled.
>>719520205pre
>>719514874The Shadow Keep sucks. It's just small levels connected by wooden elevators. 90% of the keep is just unused space.
made a mystic psychic buildPalm Blast, Rejection, Wrath of Gold, Wrath from a Far, Watchful Spirit, Regalia of Eochaidwish we had the force grab that the sword monkey uses.
>>719512042is this actually what elden ring is like? jesus christ how did this become goty?
>>719518005If you and the boss standing still and you avoiding the boss achieve the same thing, I wouldn't count either as working towards a victory.
Elden Ring is so fucking unfun. It's everything not fun about a FROM game. I can't even stomach the idea of re-playing it. It's just annoying. A nuisance and horrible to look at the pace of the fights.
Yes I beat the game.
I didn't read the thread, but Shadow of the Erdtree is the biggest stinking pile of shit I've ever wasted money on. I never play it when playing through Elden Ring again, and I wish I could get a refund. Thanks for asking.
>>719512042>I just finished the DLC for the second time, a year after my first run, and I’ve concluded that every boss except Consort Radahn and Bayle is fun.Second-phase Consort Radahn is pure cancer, and so is Bayle. There’s nothing fun about dodging a 10+ hit combo, dreading every attack that rips 75% of your health while your screen drowns in special effects. You finally get a 0.5-second window to chug a flask, but the last hit that landed threw you off balance, forcing you to spam 2-3 more flasks as you’re stuck in a brutal wombo-combo.
>>719519805nta but you should try a run with Taylew and Heal From AfarIt's fun, most bosses barely tickle him and then the heal gets him back up to full health a lot of the timeOnly downside is that his damage output isn't great
>>719526454It's not even that OP.
>>719526743Bayle is fine if you know that little stump where his leg should be is also a weakpoint just like his head.
>>719525878The company and its fanbase became parodies of themselves. Tale as old as time when gatekeeping is discouraged and a horde of retards enters a community
>>719512298reddit weaponwith reddit lvlskekmight aswell ask ai how to win
Nightreign is fun :)
>>719526958It is. Shame it's a $40 budget release game. Also fuck first post for cropping out the rune count because we called him out for it being 0 before.
>>719526914Sorry, bro, but I found nothing fun about fighting Bayle. Oversized bosses where you can only lock onto one spot, clearly designed for summoning an NPC, and built as pure cinematic fights just aren’t my cup of tea.
>>719515731LMAOING that you think this is hard to get to. You're low iq. It's not special, anyone who was paying any attention at all would have found it. Did you also need a guide for the quests? Mouth breathing retard>>719515829>it entirely feel like you're doing something you're not supposed to doHoly fuck you're braindead. Going through the level is something you're not supposed to do? Go back to whatever the fuck baby game you normally play>>719518220>since you cant get more before beating RellanaRellana gatekeeps exactly zero scadutree fragments, what the fuck are you talking about? Do you not know about the skip with torrent? literal fucking retard.>You havent played the DLCLiterally comical that you're posting this since you don't know about how Rellana is optional thus you actually didn't play the dlc. Go the fuck back, tourist.
I use a guide. The game is too long and I want to try all the rides at the theme park. Exploration by itself isn't really a gameplay element I'm interested in.
I only like Radahn with the deflect tear. Haven't fought him since the nerf but I did get a hitless off without the tear with the Giant Crusher. I don't even think they're the worst boss in the DLC, I thought Metyr was way worse. Such a cool design and premise it just does a bunch of very lame attacks and then spawns those fucking fingers that I hate. Somehow beat it first try though, not like that matters. I spammed Messmer's ash.
>>719519478>>719519683she really just doesn't hit that hard in phase 1 and grug anon stunlocked her through phase 2, this was with 0 blessings
>>719527682I remember doing it at 0 with the knight's greatsword and phase two would 2/1 shot and phase 1 was basically what phase 2 would become with scadu. She was the boss that made me use scadu cause I beat the lion without it and skipped all the dances besides lightning.
>>719512042When will niggers learn that it's safer to roll into attacks instead of away from them?
>Enormous HP bars ITT150 is meta level
Wait is 250 not meta level
>>719528354meta level 999
>>719528429Is that for one person or does that include my phantoms
>>71952795350-60 vig for melee builds40 vig for ranged buildsthat's just how it goes.
>>71952963460 still good for the dlc? I followed these rules, but have not played the dlc yet
>>719529828Yeah the gains after 60 kinda suck. Just level your scadu so your damage taken becomes similar to what it is in base endgame.
>>71952982860 is good, but i think thats the minimum. ideally youd go for 70
>>719529634>>719529828Vig should be at least 80 but 90 is better
Souls bosses and some rare enemies have become harder and /v/ players have become worse, so now the average /v/irgin noob sucks too much to enjoy them.And yet, if they scaled the difficulty down for you guys i doubt you would enjoy it either. Just stop playing these games and go for something easier, not saying it has to be Kirby, but something like MonHun might be more on your level.
When did Fromsoft flanderize themselves into being a caricature of the genre they pioneered?
>>719530417Around the time of Bloodborne and Dark Souls 3, but Elden Ring is where it ramped up a lot more
>>71952982860 is enough for everything. Going further is retarded, you only get 165 HP from 60 to 90. You'd benefit way more from putting those 30 points into faith for the big dick defense buffs.
Meanwhile the game /v/ unanimously loves and sucks dick for:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYG8MHZDMw4
>>719530575Nobody likes this fight for the fight itself.
>>719530693All DS1 fights ARE SLOW, it's not action packed at all like OP's webm.
>>719530731Manus was pretty fast desu.
>>719512042>tfw I'll never hold onto my husbands neck while he beats up people for me
>>719530761>the final boss of the lategame dlc
>>719530575Why do ERtroons hate DS1 so much?
>>719530805Sexier femboy and better feet in DS1
>>719530805I like ER but DaS1 is my favorite of the series and in my top10 vidya.
>>719530797well OP posted the final boss from a lategame dlc...
>>719530927That is a bad argument but you were right since that anon did say all das1 fight were slow, not that they were mostly slow.My mistake.
>"just parry it">strike 3! you're out!lol?
The game is balanced around summons so you should use the summons
>>719512042probably shouldnt've wore a dress broI mean yea the boss is gay but that doesn't mean you have to be
>>719512298>a boss that you can break poisevs>a boss that you cannothmm I wonder anon.
>>719531264From should have disabled achievements for players that used a summon in their save
>>719532228what would that do?
>>719531267You can break Radhan's poise, he's just unreasonably fucking tanky.
>>719532504Make 90% of players leave bad reviews now that they can't get their precious cheevos
>>719521404shit is like Simon Says. it's fun when there's less than 8 colors in a sequence – but after a certain point, i'm turning that hoe off. lol
Parry?
>>719527385>Going through the level is something you're not supposed to do? You unironically didn't even know Euporia existed until I mentioned it and you're showing that very clearly. Getting to it requires multiple jumps that you barely make in ideal circumstances, and it starts underneath stairs that you mad-dash up because the enemies on those stairs are a death field.To call that simply "going through the level" is the height of "may dad works for Nintendo."
>>719512042Works on my machine.
Yeah, I'm not learning this. Not even hard, reads like some kind of undertale fan theory of dark souls combat.
>>719533997I prefer antspur the the dual bleed and rot procs
>>719512042>Keeps rollslopping away from the boss>Even though the light beams after every attack are very clearly designed to catch rollslopping retardsIt's crazy how retards complain about Elden Ring being too much rollslopping, yet out of all the Souls games (except Sekiro) it's the one that actually punishes rollslopping, and rewards good positioning and precise rolling
>>719521114>game's biggest argument is how you can play your way>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO STOP PLAYING YOUR WAY STOP STOP STOOOOOP
>>719526958NoIt's neither a good Souls game, nor a good rogue liteThe retarded fortnite circle closing down on you and leaving you no time to properly appreciate the game is the cherry on top
>>719536971Its a good monster hunter like and mogged wilds bigly
>>719512298This is the proper way to play the game.
>>719512042Parry, make your turns. Also, you're playing as a mage with Comet, you have ranged options, and the main issue was misreading a six-hit combo. Dodge it right and there's an immediate opening.
Consort Radahn hammers it home to the average player to use every dirty trick in the book that they give you. If you're not some freak who challenge runs the game and you're still bitching about him and not using said tricks then you only have yourself to blame.
>>719512298>str and poise breaknope. didn't beat the game
>>719537041The only good thing about this game is that it utterly BTFO'd Wilds and Crapcum yesOther than that the game is pretty bad, and I wouldn't really call it MH-like either
>>719536971I think it's hilarious how Nightreign does such a terrible job at giving you proper meta-progression like any roguelite that's worth a shitLiterally base Elden Ring seem more like a good roguelite in how you can make builds that will outright break the game, and if you use a randomizer mod then it's objectively a far better roguelite than NightreignI get that it's spin off experiment but it's really meh
>>719526958this. it's a fucking godsend to be able to co-op Elden Ring in such concentrated doses, without being bogged down by all the open world exploration shit and the glacially-paced levelling/gearing curve. not to mention the flashy new gameplay mechanics that have been sorely needed.
>>719530795I will never forgive Miyazaki for refusing to give us a Miquella ending, it's just ridiculously spiteful on his part.
>>719513807>(no, a 5 minute tear in the DLC doesn't fucking count)that tear was horrendous, fuck everyone calling it "the sekiro tier". It was made for shieldfags not 2h'ing your weapon. You can use it that way but it's pretty fucking bad.
will the new "dark arisen" nightreign expansion finally make it better than elden ring?
>>719539686No because it will always have the stupid fucking Fortnite circle
>>719513484based and correctFromtards are on too much git gud cult copium to understand this simple concept though
>>719539686probably not, but i'm looking forward to the new game mode next week
>>719527682Gotta love how even these overleveled supercheese builds almost get wrecked by the bullshit bosses and only win by pure luck
>>719512298The only thing missing is the mimic tear to spitroast her together with, dex sluts get spitroasted that's how it is.
>>719514874>Shadow Keep, and Belurat are all insanely good levels.lmao these are boring as sin
>>719512298zased
>>719516660I was calling imps monkeys from the start because they were so obviously hooded monkey fellas from dark souls 3
>>719517360Lmao thats how I killed him except with a shittier shield. Ironically this is the only truly balanced boss in the game where you HAVE TO engage with him and think iow to defeat him, with every other boss in the game you are always pulling punches
>>719534323this is actually pretty inuitive in-game. i dont see the issue. its like if i posted the entire super metroid map and said "wow they really expect you to remember all this?"
>>719520757What is this webm trying to prove? you mostly spam iframes to avoid attacks, then you break lock on and run circles around the boss to abuse tracking to your advantage.The ability to fo this shit after hours of trial and error automatically makes the boss good and engaging? is that your point?
>>719535374Pray tell, in case he doesn't know the roll timings for the particle waves, what would you have him do to avoid them? lmao
>>71953005170 Vigor is only 3% more hp than 60 Vigor. It’s not worth it. Investing in END to wear heavier armour is an exponentially more valuable way of increasing survivability.
>>719533208Radahn and Rellana both have 120 poise. Radahn just regenerates his poise incredibly fast. Normally 120 poise bosses have a 9.23 second period after being hit before they regen poise. But Radahn only waits 6.15 seconds, and many of his attack combos last way longer than that. So actually getting his poise to 0 requires either very good luck, trading hits, or adding extra things to prevent it regening, EG throwing knives at him during his attacks, where an actual melee hit would never fit, but the 1 poise damage from knife resets his timer, so you have another 6.15 seconds.
>>719512042Have you tried actually using all of the tools the game provides you with?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ULhI_OcUpDw
>>719512042brass shield + barricade + poke stick every time every buildfuck this nigger, I'm never doing him legit
>>719539685I only got to use it extensively in the final radahn fight paired with fire knight greatsword and it worked pretty well. I would rather use that tear and possibly get guardbroken than eat all the roll catches that fight has
>>719540669the entire metroid map for a tutorial boss is pretty gay. Especially when you can just proc "win the game" on it with bleed. A lot of the game has this same gimmicky punchline design.>read this entire essay in tiny fontOR>press TL;DR to skip it entirely.it's like "gee I wonder what I'll do, deal with bullshit or make actual progress"
RPGs are supposed to recreate the tabletop experience.In tabletop you create your character by putting points into stats and the success or failure depends on the character's skill not the player's skill.In Souls games, there is only player skill and no other skill, perk, trait etc. Unlike normal RPGs, in Souls games there is only combat, with only 2 ways of killing enemies: melee or ranged. In these 2 categories fall every "build" there is.So hardly the souls games can be called RPGs considering: no character skill, only combat as the only form of interaction and player expression, melee or ranged methods of killing.Attributes only matter in dictating how fast you kill something or whether you can use a spell and not a weapon as you can still use a weapon by having insufficient attributes but it will do less damage.Over leveling doesn't matter as even being max possible level, that by itself doesn't do anything. The nost amount of damage comes from weapon upgrades not scaling from attributes. BTW, attributes never go down, only up. Souls games aren't RPGs.
>>719515990Miyazaki literally agrees you retard. The souls series isn't meant to be a skillful, it's meant to be asininely punishing to force you into abusing all the systems available to you to win.
>>719518117>>719517960What is it with you retards using the bullshit whiteroom scenario of no-resistance air juggling? As if that's not only the case when there's a single enemy left, at which point you've already won the encounter and are just styling for points.Sure the enemy you're juggling is helpless and that's the point, you still need to pay attention to the 8 other motherfuckers shooting projectiles or gunning for your ass when you touch the ground to reset your combo.
>>719512042Elden ring and DS3 were so shit. FromSoft fell for their own meme of dying alot = hard and just made everything tailor made to kill you by using the knowledge you gained from playing the games against you.
>>719541496Literally nobody never has actually relied on the combo chart to beat a souls boss, you're retarded.
>>719541557>BTW, attributes never go down, only up.I love how people bring this up as if it's actually a thing in tabletop RPGs outside of debuffs.
>>719541984What the fuck is that
>>719512042>he has to wait his turnlol
>>719540942Parrying is retarded in elden ring, you have to know which attacks are even parryable and you have to do it 3 or 4 times, and this guy got lucky, usually there's more unparryable attacks
>>719542121BG3
>>719514874>shadow keep>belurat>goodkill yourself
>>719541990>wrongthink reeit's a mismanagement, use that aniamtion effort to code in some NPCs
>>719516567I 'membe'.
>>719516660Yeah, there's no difference between roll slop 3 and Ellen shit but other than that look at the retarded light show and visual diarrhea on the left side (Radahn) and look on the limited visual effects on the right side (Pontiff). The 2 are comparable only up to a point. Both fights are spastic dogshit but only one throws garbage disco balls on your face the whole time.
>>719514874I agree but>Miquella's Treegot ds2 flashbacks playing that
>>719512298>Clearly wants to be Grug>But pussies out by wearing heavy armor and using bad spirit magics to augment his strength and durabilityThe Cro-Magnon man of Disapproval looks in your direction
>>719542352>3 or 4It's 1, 2 or 3. There's no enemy that takes 4. Big bosses (Radagon, Malenia, Radahn etc.) take 3.
>>719517360That's how I did it too. Except I used the rapier thing that also rots or poisons, forgot the name.
>>719517404El keko.
>>719517360>These are the people who tell you that using a big twohander is easymode
>>719542994>gets outgrugged by intfagsback in the cave.
I beat the game
>>719523052The only correct way to play this garbage ass game.
>>7195304172016 with roll slop 3.
>>719530805Because they were born yesterday and elden shit is the first game they bumbled through.
Still hasn't been refuted.
>>719546024TRVKE
>>719544094I'm currently lv100 with that greatsword, how do you progress with a str build? Do you continue to use it 2h or switch to dual-wield colossal weapons?
>>719512298>Takes all the damage>Use healing potions>Spams attackI'm gud.
>>719514592it's an RPG, there's nothing embarrassing about leveling up, that's what you're supposed to dogitting gud in these games is about learning the mechanics and using them to your advantage, not having better reflexes
>>719513150no, they turned AC into that shit toomaybe if they make another KF they'd be forced to make it slow since it would be first person but that's not going to happen and I doubt they could make it actually good anyway, the old From is dead
>>719546024dark souls is betterelden ring is shit/thread
>>719544053That's magic, not strength of arm.
>>719514592If levelling up is all it takes then it is an easy game, yes.
>>719547636>LALALALALA I CAN'T HEAR YOUNot an argument, faggot nigger.
>>719540942>>719543387The most skillful and proper way to truly beat the game
>>7195464522-handing gives you a str bonus with that weapon so if it has good str scaling you will get better results two-handing rather than power stancing
>>719540010The game series became a parody of itself.The git gud argument is ironic because that's why we're in this sad fucking state, because the game journalists who got bullied into being the Souls series biggest defenders as a gamer street cred card introduced billions of normalfags to this series corrupting the ideals of it into a boss rush twink backflip simulator
I like what ER did with the formula more than DS3 which feels like a half-baked version of ER. The only thing I really hate about Elden Ring is pvp being so sterile.
>>719512298>sl3000>git gud :^)i kek
LMAO this game is so fucking piss easy
>>719546024that's a lot of words to say that DS1 was a well designed game and not le superhard epic boss fight simulator
>>719553105HOLY BASED
>the "I got Filtered hard and need to cry" thread is still upLmao
>>719553410Well designed =/= easier
>>719512042Zoomies have no concept of being patient and waiting for an opening. None of them could beat a Megaman or X game.
>>719512298This is the only thing late game elden ring bosses deserve.
>>719516136
>>719553105game status : beatedwhy the fuck would even you need "openings" when with this tankchad build, it's the boss who has to find openings kek
>>719553105Mentally ill fromtards will say how great of a game Elden Ring is for allowing complete freedom over your build, then they will see this and whine like little bitches about how this is "cheating" or a "boring playstyle" (they think pressing O and R1 is more engaging somehow)
>>719517713Anyone have the ten page essay of a desperate shill "debunking" this?
>>719554469>PRESSING O, X, R1, R2, L2 AND UTILIZING MOVEMENT IS NOT ENGAGING >HOLDING L1 AND MASHING R1 IS!!!typical retard
>>719513916Coproine lost
The dlc bosses are honestly tiring. I tried each a few times before just going mimic and spamming spear of gransax
>>719554596An idiot admires complexity, a genius admires simplicity.
This one took me 5~6 tries even using the Mimic Tear.
>>719554796>UMMMMM ACTUALLY IM RETARDED SMARTReminder that heavy armor only provides poise and the extra defense is completely negligible if you're eating crab because of Fromsofts retarded math, especially if you're just hiding behind a tower shield anyway
>>719554596>>719555050coping rollslopper
>>719513437>level design, meaningful exploration,Elden Ring has better level design and exploration than DS1. >deliberate combat You mean slow clunky shit because the series was originally 'King's Field but with a different name so if it fails we don't spoil the brand', and only later developed a unique identity.
>>719554469The average FS fan now doesn't understand the fun isn't learning the boss patterns, but trying out new builds to find the most effective one.
>>719515509NG1 is just for kicks and experimentation. It is barely harder than the base game, but you get way more XP, so you can fuck around with builds and respeccing a lot more.
>>719512042>>719512298I love how even after 50 hours of playtime I see these WEBMs of bosses I defeated but have been reskinned (and in the other one case resold as DLC). Because Lord knows that if you haven't killed one boss the 1st, 2nd time in GayGael, or 3rd time in a Bloodborne rejected Chalice Dungeon cave, the 4th time of reused assets is where it really counts.Elden Ring won 1 million GOTY awards and somehow this is """content""". Hideo Kojima games and Elden Ring have sycophants in the game industry propping these mediocre games up.
>>719555460And even if you want to just learn the bosses' patterns and shit just to rollspam, some of them present a noticeable challenge. Don't know why they complain it's "hard" now, you gotta a lotta options.I tried going the retarded Guts Greatsword 99str build and nothing else and the game was ridiculously easy, even Malenia went down quickly with a lot of jumping attacks and R2, you just have to be careful with that retarded instakill tracking skill and her self-healing.Things got much harder in the DLC in this playstyle, though. Had to try new and different things.
>>719555342Holy based. I prefer spears though.
>>719513150DS1 was only challenging because the average player was an idiot that didn't know what they were doing back then. Today someone that is only B-tier in terms of Elden Ring, they can beat all the bosses without Co-op, but need to use summons and buff stacks for harder bosses, would sweep DS1 without very few speedbumps.
Letting shitters overlevel their character is the stupidest part of these games, it's almost as bad as letting a redditor solo the boss for you like some kind of humiliation ritual
>>719555342>IM A DARK SOULS 1 CHAD IM A CHAD IM A CHAD!!!Ok retard, that medium shield ain't blocking anything though
>>719555695I like having a main weapon (Halberd, Spear) than a side weapon (Thrusting Sword/Straight Sword/Mace) with a light or medium shield depending on the situation.Doesn't take a lot of carry weight depending on your gear and stat choices, either. There's enough regular smithing stones in the game to keep 2 weapons more or less on par with each other and more than enough special smithing stones anyway.The problem is if you want to throw a talisman or a staff in the mix but they're supportive and don't need to be maxed for a while and they can catch up once you unlock the smithing stones at the NPC.
You fags really did argue about reskinned bosses in a game filled to the brim with reused asset bosses. Dark Souls 3 mogs the living shit out of Elden Ring so much its unreal.
>>719512824>RPG games>role-playing game gamesyou have to go back
>>719555885>my reskinned shit mogs your reskinned shit
>>719555758You're talking about tier lists as if there isn't PVP in DS for the late-game.
>>719555961100 hours of horseback riding in an broadly empty overworld with Bloodborne chalice dungeons and reskin bosses and mid bosses. You can fight a reskin of the first DemiGod boss in a GayGael. Shut the fuck up Elden Dork. Dark Souls 3 >>> Elden Flopped Dick.
>>7195122980wn3d that b1tch
>>719556094Back to your linear grey dogshit, rollslopper
>>719516178I'm with you. I've got about 380 hours. I've got another 180 in Nightreign. I haven't even touched SotE yet. And no it's not a "but Fromsoft made it" cope. One of the best experiences of my vidya life and I'm 45.
>>719541849they're fromdrones not people with brains
Elden Ring>Fight shitty overworld enemies>Fight same shitty overworld enemies and bosses reskinned in Bloodborne Chalice Dungeons (tm)>Fight same delayed attacks parody of a game DemiGod bosses in the GayGael>Play time: 110 hours (90% filler and reused asset with reused bosses)Dark Souls 3 brutally mogs this shit so much.
>>719512298>STRfag thinking that he beat the game Imagine spending over 500 hours on a tutorial lmao
>>719556219True
>>719522145The horned warriors are easy as long as you don't run away constantly. They have fairly low HP. Radahn's issue is that he combines all traits of hard bosses in the game without anything balancing it off. He's fast, hits hard, attacks constantly, has lots of HP, lots of poise, and can attack at all distances. Normally bosses are balanced in one way or another so that they have some weakness that makes them more beatable. Malenia has low poise even in her phase 2, Godfrey can be fought at range, Radagon attacks pretty slowly, Maliketh has very low HP. Consort Radahn is all + with no -
>>719556219
>>719529828Pump endurance to wear heavier armor.
>>719556290https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NUxQQutSmZE Reused bosses, reused assets, boring overworld, delayed attacks that remove all immersion from the game. Elden Ring apologist just give it up in the presence of Dark Souls 3 chads.
Sounds like you want a turn based game.
>>719556160>my slop is more colorful than your slop!
>>719512298god bless, and fuck dexfags
>>719556068No one plays PVP in Souls games unless they're a degenerate or psychotic.
>>719556312You could play and complete Demons Souls, Dark Souls 3, and Bloodborne in 100 hours while hitting that same time in Elden Ring and be more fulfilled by the former because Elden Ring is regurigtated reused assets with a nothing overworld and horrible delayed attacks animations that become a parody of what immersion is supposed to be in its gritty tone. Might as well have Super Mario jumping attacks in Elden Ring since the game bosses suck at maintaining immersion.
>>719556906You could do that, but you'd have to play the garbage beta test that is Demons Souls, so why would you want to?
>>719556906Why the fuck would I play those slow, janky ass antiquated games without an actual dedicated jump button, when I can just play the real thing?The best Fromslop games are Sekiro and Elden Ring, objectively.
>>719557046The art book for Elden Ring is worth more than the game honestly.
I hate this game and what it's done to video game discourse.
See that mountain? You can climb it!>Reward: Arteria leafSee that entrance at the bottom of that cliff? You can enter it!>Copypasted crypt with a copypasted watchdog/crucible knight boss(maybe two if you're lucky!) with an arteria leaf as a reward.Elden ring is absolute slop.
>>719557535Bro it's all about the JOURNEY and the pretty VIEWS you got FILTERED for expecting more content bro.....
>>719512298Lmao at all the seethe in the replies, keep bonking treechad.
Im having a lot fun with this cheesy stick but I'm sad that it'll eventually outclassed since its skill only scales with weapon upgrade lvl.
>>719556198>One of the best experiences of my vidya life and I'm 45.Based honest video game appreciator. I'm at 220 in Nightreign and I'm hyped as fuck for any future updates/DLC.SotE is brutal at first but once you find your rhythm it's some of the best content in Elden Ring.
>>719512298This is literally just the old ds1 artorias webm where the player with fat armor just unga-poises through everything.
I'm tempted to go back and replay ER since they buffed str so much from launch, but the game is just too big for its own good. I prefer the tightly crafted layouts of the previous games, and that's why I played through those dozens of times with different builds
>2h straightsword>quickstep>blocking anywaychadshit
>>719558419Play NG+ and rush the legacy dungeons? Don't really the point of going through all the caves and tombs again.
>>719558651>Don't really the point of going through all the caves and tombs again.The cool thing is that this is by design: you're not MEANT to do any of the save/tomb content twice, unless you REALLY love it and wanna do it again so badly. They are mostly full of items that only provide benefit once (spirit aches, talismans) so repeat playthroughs are outright discouraged.
>>719512042It's literally always my turn though
>>719559156I unironically enjoy redoing the catacombs and other minor dungeonsI just like dungeon crawling, this is the actual reward for meMy favorites must be the Gaols in SOTE, they're so aesthetically pleasing
>>719517123Literally just Endure + Zamor Storm
>>719559431Based fun haver
>>719559587How the fuck do you get your defense up so much? I have vit but I swear every hit takes off 50% of my health
>>719559902There's the perfume that makes you super tanky but you can't move.
>>719560052Thanks, I should check out all the shit I can craft
>>719559902Endure alone is massive and needed anyways so you don't get staggered by the hyper fast DLC bosses when casting spells, Faith Buffs also help or you'll have to rely on low duration stuff like Commander's Banner/Iron Jar Aromatic40 VIG minimumFor Radahn specifically you'll want that uber Holy Defense talisman + Memenia's Rune so you'll heal from Ice Storm procsBarrier of Gold + Golden Vow help as wellAfter that you just cast that rune that increases magic damage on the floor then just cycle Endure + charged Zamor Ice Storm, repeattldr you can get ~90% damage reduction through Endure + Faith Buffs/Ironjar and good Talismans like the Steel Protection one + Holy one
>>719512298>get overpowered>mash attack till they fallmad skillz mr. 360noscoper
>>719560137Oh, also get that flask effect that increases absorption, you won't need trash like 0 FP cost one since Ice Storm is nowhere as retarded FP cost wise like the meme Beam that's mostly useless in the DLC anyways due to bosses moving around, Ice Storm at least hits a pretty decent area around you when charged
>>719540820>Pray tell, in case he doesn't know the roll timings for the particle waves, what would you have him do to avoid them? lmaojump, retard
>>719560372You can easily do the same at SL 150-180 or whatever, this webm is 170
>>719560442>>719560303Thanks, I love it
>All of these fucking overleveled shitter webms pretending they're hot shit
>>719560814>you have to do the DLC as SL1, how DARE you be above muh SL120 autismo meta for the main game!!!!!all the webms above are at SL150-175, disingenuous cunt
>>719560814>>All of these fucking overleveled shitter webms pretending they're hot shitfromsoft intended overleveling or it wouldnt be in the game (see sekiro)
>>719555684>even after 50 hours of playtime I see these WEBMs of bosses I defeated but have been reskinned (and in the other one case resold as DLC).?Rellana is not reused u mong, wyt about, and gaylord has one move taken from pontiff
>>719561120>(see sekiro)you can choose to use your upgrades or not in Sekiro, people pretend like that game doesn't have scaling akin to leveling up just because there isn't 4 useless stats for spellchuckers
>>719558651It's not really the same thing and ng+ was only done well in 2
>>719561278>you can choose to use your upgrades or not in Sekiro, people pretend like that game doesn't have scaling akin to leveling up just because there isn't 4 useless stats for spellchuckersprosthetics help a little, and the base ones are just as good as the upgraded versions in most cases. you only get increased health and power by beating bosses, so you cannot overlevel like other souls games where you can infinitely grind
posting in a fromsoft thread to let you know, after ds3, ds1, I am now on DS2, I dont think I will ever play ER, 90% of the people posting here should be euthanized.
>>719512042>"stop rolling backwards" the boss>*rolls backwards* WOOOOW
>>719561703>you only get increased health and power by beating bossesIncreased power yeah, but your HP/stance upgrades are only limited in the first section of the game. Eventually you'll get to a point where you can go around and collect a bunch of beads and bloat your defensive stats for whatever you are having an issue against, some of these beads aren't locked behind sub-bosses being killed either, and even if they are there's ways to cheese those sub-bosses easily if you can't just fight them head-on.Sekiro is just also easier to play and much more forgiving than ER/Souls because there's no stamina meter and your deflect is nearly spammable which makes learning attack windows very simplePeople holding up Sekiro as what "Souls difficulty COULD be like" are just asking for an overall easier experience, it doesn't matter if you can grind a million souls.
>>719562284i played sekiro before elden ring and found elden ring way easier bc i explored side content, didnt die, and leveled intelligently
I like Elden Ring but the DLC had some of the worst bosses in the series. As in, unfun, "when is it my turn" 1000 swing attack patterns.
why cant there be more fights like artorias instead of bosses thinking they are in devil may cry (dlc problem)
>>719512042There's at least two attack windows in this webm
>>719512298
>>719562478You found it way easier because you already played Sekiro and everything you're (supposed) to learn in Sekiro can be applied to Elden Ring. You realize you can jump attacks for free damage, use your movement to dodge, locate a boss' rhythm so you can plug in your attacks effortlessly with your defensive actions, mix in combat arts for bigger more staggering blows, etc etcsomeone can follow a guide to find all the side content and level a proper build and still suck total ass because I play the game for those people via co-op on a constant basis
>>719517675Just passing by to inform you that you are a massive loser
>>719512298Literally unironically when I stopped giving a shit about some bullshit headcanon of having to beat bosses "the right way" I enjoyed the game way more. If the.bosses are overpowered so am I. There is nothing cool about getting two shot. I don't feel powerful. Facetank FTW fuck the haters
>>719563153Shitter
>>719563153>There is nothing cool about getting two shotThis is just a scaling problem, Fromsoft should have made so HP increases with level like defense in this game since if you aren't leveling vigor you are setting yourself up for being 2 shot in most cases in late game/DLC. Doing this would only decrease the community's "accepted" level caps and the amount of people dying endlessly because they can't tank a hit or 2 while learning a boss
>>719562864>The people praising the webm are on the same level as DSPYou can't make this shit up
>>719512042
>>719512042Subjecting yourself to Reddit game design is a choice, just say "no"
>>719563330imagine being worse at video games than DSP
>>719512298Why did you crop the rune counter?
>>719563340>NOOOO NOOOOOO MY NOSTALGIA FOR AN ARCHAIC GAME FROM 10+ YEARS AGO WON'T ALLOW THIS!!!
>>719563153In a good game they would have given a level cap and balanced the whole thing around it so you could experiment with shit without having to grind Mohg's palace and other consumables for 50 hours to get your meme one shot clip
>>719562571Git gud
>>719563448>without having to grind Mohg's palaceI don't get it, they throw some many runes at you I got to 150 without grinding once in the base game
>>719563539people die and lose thousands and thousands of souls in really dumb ways and then blame the game
>>719563340You get a bow or crossbow and use that.DS1 requires 100 IQ to beat, something most gamers unfortunately lack.
>level vigor>increase endurance and chosen weapon stat until you can hold your equipment>upgrade weapon>achieve level 300 billion in the eyes of shittersez game
>>719563448Why are people so fucking stupid?The webm’s in this thread arnt level 600’s, they are 60 Vigor, enough END to mid-roll (20-40 depending on gear), and one softcapped damage stat. EG this build >>719512298 can be replicated at level 115, which is well below what you are expected to be at that point.
when did things get this way that people get all of their satisfaction in life and sense of self-worth from beating videogames? is it a millennial thing post-destruction of the socio-economic tissue?
>>719563854Git gud
>>719562284>Eventually you'll get to a point where you can go around and collect a bunch of beads and bloat your defensive statsYou only get them once per save file then on subsequent new games + bosses get more defense and more damage while you can never increase defense again. You can continue to increase your strength until level 99, though. Still wouldn't call that a "build" though. Not that ER really has committed "builds" either since there are so many of those larval tear fetus things that you can kind of always switch up your stats. I'd say ER build is more determined by what you're upgrading than your stats since those can always change and you are kind of limited on upgrade materials.
>>719563909>You only get them once per save file then on subsequent new games + bosses get more defense and more damage while you can never increase defense again. Right, but most players aren't going into NG+ I was just speaking about the average person going through the game in a fresh save. Like if you get to Geni and have an issue with him you can absolutely start accessing other areas and collect beads>I'd say ER build is more determined by what you're upgrading than your stats since those can always change and you are kind of limited on upgrade materials.I agree, because yeah there's like 17-19 larval tears in base game and then an additional 8 in the DLC while you get a lot less final rocks to upgrade things with. I'm not trying to say that Sekiro has builds though, I'm saying that there's ways to go out of your way in that game and boost yourself to make boss fights a bit easier in the same way grinding in ER does, unless you level like an idiot then you're making the game harder than Sekiro where you're purely 'leveling' vigor and endurance by collecting beads.
>>719539290It's not spiteful. They are hilariously bad at any stab at rpg systems. You know they had an opinion and a take on "interacting with npcs and getting a take on what they want," with how DS1 quests work. You have an option (hidden from you heavily), to save the priestess lady by killing Petrus. When you kill Lautrec you can consume the fire keeper's soul for power instead of return it. Interacting with Gwyndolin and his firekeeper. Choosing to spare Priscilla. They just simply never advanced past this. They didn't make more interesting npcs that affect the world(state) in interesting ways.Everything past DS1's biggest problem is they didn't have as realistic/overlapped of a world design as DS1. If all the future games continued to be essentially fully explorable city-states(at least for Undead Burgh/Forest/Sewers and how they loop into themselves), then npcs and encounters and difficulty curve would have been downwind of that in a good way.
For me it's Bloodborne, perfect game.
>>719564785>They just simply never advanced past this.If anything they were forced to step back from that because people cry over broken questlines and NPCs they decided to kill You could say it is sort of present in ER's DLC with how Leda and gang work but in the main game there's like only 2 NPC 'quests' you can really break/miss out on
>>719563685I wish that was remotely true>>719564785>You can't make choices and save nocs in Elden RingAre you fucking retarded?
>>719514592If you're good at managing your souls, you earn enough casually to reach level 180-200 if you explore everything. Yet you have screeching retards going "NOOO YOU HAVE TO STAY LEVEL 120 FOR CO-OP AND PVP!". Norimes eat this retarded take and wonder why they're bashing their heads in against Malenia for 10 hours when really 80-100 extra levels make all the difference. It's almost like the superboss was designed for high soul levels only.
>>719563794Don't forget about using Morgott's Great Rune and other HP boosting effects because THAT MEANS YOU'RE LEVEL 500!!!!!!!!!!!!11
>>719566015rune arcs are so worthless and pointless I almost forget they exist despite playing the game so much
>>719566764>worthless and pointlessGodrick's makes a massive difference early and Morgott's gives enormous +HP, while Malenia's is decent for some builds and even works with multi hit spells.The good ones make a massive impact
>>719560303I'd thought of the Ironjar buff, but yeah, remembering that Faith has a ton of damage reduction spells is even better. Ironjar doesn't last long enough to be worth using, compared to just putting a few points into faith for all the uberbuffs.
>>719512298based bonklord
>>719563794Apparently the idea of leveling endurance is just mindbreaking to some people.
>>719564785A lot of content for DS2 got scrapped, it was supposed to feature Majula in the past where it was filled with NPCs.
