ITT: Videogame genres that make /v/ seethe
dude everything makes /v/ seethe
>>719519390I actually just played this with a friend who came over last week.
Getting /v/ seethe is one thingGetting /jp/ seethe is another
>>719519493Your answer is...accepted.
>>719519390There was a really good thread recently about arcade games (the OP had a screenshot of Revenge of Death Adder).Multiple people were actually explaining how to play them properly, and why you shouldn't spam continues etc.It was really good to see sincere posts about arcade games for a change.
>>719521318Credit feeding is good for you. It gives you valuable experience and helps stave off restartitis and first stage burnout
>>719521318I credit-feed once every time I start playing a shmup just to know what I'm in for. Then the 1-credit crusades and scoring runs commence.
>>719519390i heard that the story of this series is insane but i can't find any info about the first few games
>>719519390I bought the PS4 version of this a couple of days back. Its better than this version undoubtedly and definitely worth it. Playasia withheld my sony yens for like 6 hours though.
>>719522221>I bought the PS4 version of this a couple of days back.My nig.Did you get Ketsui Deathtiny? The titular mode is pretty fun, one of the better arrange modes out there.
shmups are peak posercore
>>719522663What kind of games do you play, then?Let me guess, Planescape Torment? Morrowind without mods? Super Mario 64?
>>719521318That thread rocked
>>719519390bullet hell is not a game. if you just want to constantly smash inputs, learn to juggle or something. fuckin losergo play basketball. it would be just as engaging and you might stop being a disgusting fat fuck and make a couple friends
>>719522820Skill issue.
>>719522754at least I play themgo whine about 1cc's despite not doing one in years if ever
>>719522221It would be even better if it had death label.
>>719522918nta but I do play them and enjoy them. (>>719519547 here, it was a good time)
>>719522820you hold 1 button and move a ship around the screen. how underdeveloped are your motor skills if you're aping out when playing a shmup?
>>719522540>Did you get Ketsui Deathtiny?No this is the first time I tried this new M2 port stuff. It's pretty impressive.
>>719521318Affirming that this thread was good. I tried to find it in the archive but was unsuccessful.>>719521970Man, who cares. Video game stories are trash. "Shoot everything, don't die." There's your story. Everything else is bullshit.>>719522663>>719522820That's right, bring more seethe.
>>719522964>It would be even better if it had death label.That was Arika's doing, which will likely never be on another platform besides their PS2 port, unfortunately. Even more tragic is the fact that Espgaluda's arrange mode is forever in PS2 jail as well.
>>719523010I've never played one. >>719523043there's more gameplay density in picking your nose BUDDY
>>719523495>I've never played one.Yes. We already knew that much.
>>719523525He didn't know that, he thought I was angrily playing a shmup. Do you need anything else
>>719523010Extree extree, read all about it, /v/irgin rips on genre he's never played!
>>719522221When will M2 port it to PC? Or Ketsui for that matter. Or Futari. Or....
>>719522918But I did 1cc deathsmiles on rank1 difficulty
>>719522795Link pls?
>>719525852They likely won't unless people start buying their PC ports.
>>719525852No game will run exactly the same on every given PC build, which goes against M2's "arcade (or original platform) accurate" philosophy. They probably also figure that anyone who wants to play a 20-year-old game on PC has likely already emulated it.They may have worked on ports for other companies, but the specific ShotTrigGers releases need to be as perfect as possible before M2 will release them. They're sitting on a nearly-complete port of Batrider but won't release it because they can't get it perfect fps-wise.
>>719519390I genuinely like bullet hell games but they hurt my eyes if I play them for more than like 30 mins at a time these days. I hate getting old
>>719526351>they hurt my eyesgo to a doctor
>>719526430>hey doc i've got a big problem, when i play japanese video games where you play a little witch girl flying around while thousands of bullets and flashing lights assault my eyes, they start to hurt a little, what do i do
>>719526585Replace "little witch girl" with "spaceship" and there goes 99% of the pocket spaghetti.
>>719521318>>719523043>>719522795>There was a really good thread recently about arcade games (the OP had a screenshot of Revenge of Death Adder).This one? https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/719257341/#719257341
>>719526067whats the point if you can just emulate it for free
>>719527201Emulation can be a bit spotty. Some games have good slowdown and input lag but some don't. Where M2 comes in with ports is the additional features that make it better.
>>719527201M2 ports have extra OSTs, better input lag, and "gadgets" (displays for otherwise hidden information about game systems like rank)
>>719527420>Where M2 comes in with ports is the additional features that make it better.This. A visible rank meter, as well as a display showing how close you are to unlocking special Option types, made their Garegga port (their first, I believe) worth the price of admission alone.
>>719527420>Where M2 comes in with portsare you sure it's actual ports? a lot of those console exclusives "ports" are just roms with emulators with some widget mods, like castlevania advance collection, if not for them these games would still be considered abandonware and could be played for free with no legal issue
>>719527201Well, as previous examples mentioned, there are arranges which are new to the game. Additionally, M2 uses their profits to make new games like this upcoming game Night Striker game, as well as a new Compile Heart Zaleste shmup which I'm sure won't be a disaster. Also, they have replays, and this is a really useful feature, because nips barely ever record their high scores. Like look at this:https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2bIASk2gRiE&list=PL6ciyIYcGWJHNfYvjfGk61ZfuSH6qBNv6Nothing new in 6 years. I can just look at the high score list in the DOJ port and see what nips are doing and how they route and stuff. Another usage case is just superior features. My next purchase will likely be the Cozmic collection because I'm getting the urge to replay Darius Gaiden, which despite being arcade accurate has the autofire button from the console ports, (which are less than great) which emulation doesn't, and trust me, you really want autofire for playing that game. There's just enormous quality life improvements in general that even emulation doesn't have. Like what if I want to play Mushihimesama Futari Black Label? It's a discontinued digital download xbox only japanese port and the DLC doesn't exist any more, so my choices are the imperfectly emulated arcade version or a 5 year pre-packaged version for an antiquated version of Xenia that doesn't work on anything else. For one of the best and most highly praised shmups ever made. This wouldn't have happened if it had a PC port and was preserved properly.>>719526585Just tell them you're getting eyeball headaches when you look at the screen and request a physical. You're probably going slightly blind.
>>719527847>5 year pre-packaged*5 year old pre-packaged
>>719527201NTA but there's at least a couple reasons to do it:It's a way to support the developers, something that you can't do by buying physical copies in the second hand market. Plus it encourages the creation of more official PC ports, which can (and certainly do in M2's ports case) offer a better way to play of the game compared to emulating it.Many shmups were designed using their arcade hardware's limitations as a way to balance the difficulty. E.g. The SLOWDOWN product of the perfomance limitations in many shmups' PCBs was intentionally taken into accound when designing the games. And what often happens is that emulating them fails to recreate that (unless the port's emulation is top notch), making the games harder than they should be.
>>719527847Xbox 360s are still pretty cheap (less than 100 dollars IIRC) and modding them is getting easier and easier.Although yeah, getting more CV1000 games on Steam would still be really great.
>>719527825>are you sure it's actual portswith M2 yes
>>719528036>Xbox 360s are still pretty cheap (less than 100 dollars IIRC) and modding them is getting easier and easier.Show me the Black Label DLC hosted literally anywhere.
>>719527825...there are still "legal issues" even when the games are "abandonware"in that you aren't going to get sued for doing it either way. Who cares?
>>719528140The Xenia package has the roms included, so you could just download it then manually download the DLC onto your modded 360.
>>719527825M2 has a respected brand because they actually do put effort into their ports. their product often becomes the definitive way to play short of the original cabinets and even then that's only because of the port's status as a copy, no doubt you'd actually want stage and boss select on the original if you could get it.
>>719528257What Xenia package? Maybe I'm just dumb but I couldn't find any package that included the DLC, only the 1.01 update. This is the only copy of BL I could findhttps://archive.org/details/mushihimesama-futari-ver.-1.5-rfBut I can't make this DLC work on newer versions of Xenia, only the 5 year old version, so presumably it wouldn't load on Xbox either. The DLC is packaged differently as far as I can tell.
>>719528398NTA, but I looked up "Mushihimesama Futari Black Label DLC" and found a separate ROM site download pretty quick.
>>719528610Anon, that's dolphin porn
>>719528697I may have found something on DE, (was not easy to find) testing momentarily
>>719527130>https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/719257341/#719257341That's the one. I didn't post it in but it was a great read.
>>719528812mmm nope
for arcade romsets you're supposed to take the simpler version like game.zip instead of game1.1.zip, right?because your console games 1.1 or gamea.zip etc is always the revision/update, but for arcade it seems like latest best version is the simpler name? can anyone confirm
>>719529459finally found one that worked
>>719519390I hate okami/loz/darksiders games there all shitalso games with a timer can go die dead rising/loz/ff13-3those are THE genres I can not stand
>>719519390Tank control survival horror games make zoomers seethe. Does that count?
>>719530763I can see hating LoZ/ Darksiders, but Okami? Only thing wrong with it was Issun telling you the solutions before you could even begin trying the puzzles. The "hour-long intro" is greatly exaggerated.
>>719530843That shit has made me seethe since it was new in the 90s. If any other action games had those controls, it would have been rightly lambasted as unplayable. But RE gets a pass. Fuck that.>>719531290Okami might have been a decent game if it ever stopped being a tutorial.
>>719531414>If any other action games had those controls, it would have been rightly lambasted as unplayable. But RE gets a pass. Fuck that.Good thing they aren't action games
>>719521318A shame I missed that one, the only threads about arcade games I see are fucking youtuber gossip ones
>>719529568Usually the most "playable" version is the shortest name. I found it interesting that European versions are sometimes preferred when the USA copy has the FBI warning. English takes precedence over Japanese.
mushi
>>719526585>you should switch to marisa instead you dumb faggot, next patient
>>719522820Smash inputs? Shmups are very precise games.
I made a post in another thread about my experience with arcade games, help me out>I keep trying to get into arcade games but they feel so repetitive and like a chore, except for light gun games which I likeBut I've tried a ton of games like Dodonpachi, Daioujou, Darius Gaiden, Ninja Saviors, Shock Troopers, Battle Garegga, Mushihimesama and Futari, Deathsmiles, Final Fight, Streets of Rage 2, Batsugun, Dangun Feveron, Raystorm, and I didn't enjoy any of them, despite hearing how skill intensive and deep they areAm I just playing bad games?
>>719532281You are just weak, become stronger
>>719532281The problem with arcade games is that they were designed to suck the quarters out of your pocket
>>719531414God Hand has tank controls and it fucking rules
>>719532281You just may not like playing action video games.Name your 10 favorite games right now and let's analyze this.
I'm really sick of this fucking narrative of >dude EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE WORLD HATED GOD HAND on releaseIt was literally a single IGN review, meanwhile everyone that played it enjoyed it, and every other outlet gave it good scores
>>719532281Nah, you're just uncultured. Maybe try Warning Forever, though, it's a boss rush shmup that adapts to your playstyle and preys upon your weaknesses-- the next boss is generated based on the outcome of the boss before it. Other than that... Maybe shoot for certain goals in arcade shmups? Survival runs where you allow yourself a certain number of Continues, or maybe playing for score. Some games like Dangun Feveron or Mars Matrix are actually fun for scoring runs.
>>719532349I see this sentiment often but could you explain how they do that compared to console/PC games?
>>719521318It really shows how performative all the negativity on /v/ is because everyone outside of arcadefags think they suck but nobody takes the time to shit up their threads
>719532281>I didn't enjoy any of them, despite hearing how skill intensive and deep they areSkill intensive and deep doesn't necessarily imply "fun" for you in specific.Then again you're that retarded mork schizo so why am I even replying.
>>719532281I see radiant silvergun is not on your list
>>719532408At the risk of getting called a movie game loving faggot, here goes>nier 360>bayonetta>monster hunter 4 ultimate>vanquish>nioh 2>earth defense force 5>doom eternal>guilty gear xrd>sin and punishment 64>tony hawks underground
what are more shmups that make you feel awesome even if you suck at the genreI love how telegraphed the attacks are in devil blade and the ost goes so hard
>719532417Mork schizo how is anyone even supposed to know what you're talking about here???
>>719532530No I'm not, not everyone is some namefag or schizoThat shit has ruined discussion on this site because you can't like or dislike a game without being called some random schizo or namefag
>>719532470They're literally designed to be unfair so you keep pumping quarters into the machine. Mortal Kombat 2 is probably the most infamous/egregious example. The AI reads button inputs and instantly reacts to you. They can also do things you can't, like do throws when they're against a wall and they can sweep you from a greater distance. Their uppercuts also skip animation frames and are much faster
>>719532582Dangun Feveron for me, its high speed and crazy art direction make even dying fun, then when you actually get good you feel like a beasti assume, that game is fucking hard
>>719532470
>ummm arcadebros I'm not having fun with your retard quarter muncher dogshit despite all of the anti-mechanical darwinism and progression subversion and gameplay density why is this happening???Everyone knows it's you.
a whole 80 posts we lasted, good one lads
>>719529229>check thread>immediately ruined by fag that thinks you have to try to 1cc the game every time
>>719532545Guess I'll recommend some games you might like.>nier 360Crystar, Fragile Dreams>bayonettaDMC5, Mitsurugi Kamui Hikae>vanquishBleed 2>earth defense force 5Returnal>guilty gear xrdMelty Blood series>sin and punishment 64Sin & Punishment 2, Panzer Dragoon Zwei & Orta
>>719532470Basically, it's>some random american kusoge is literally impossible to 1cc>so every arcade game ever is worthless dogshit you STUUUUUPIDD fucking chud!These "people" do not have a real argument, don't even bother engaging
Are the Alltynex games any good?
>>719519390How many kids got fooled by kino SHMUPS covers into playing the games? Only to be fucking let down because SHMUPS are fucking garbage on a fundamental level?
>>719532545Do you know how when you work out like it's hard and unpleasant at first
>>719532582>what are more shmups that make you feel awesome even if you suck at the genreEinhander, especially the final two stages.
>>719532545Maybe you should just play beat em ups instead
>>719532727Damn this nigga is seething
>719532801Mork schizo....
>>719532801When did this weird meme of capitalising shmup start? It's not an acronym
>>719532801I'm convinced posts like this are a psyop by actual fans of the genre, fishing for easy (You)s
>>719532626>literally designed to be unfair No, that's not it.Next.
>>719532545I get this impression you just aren't used to having to learn things or dealing with genuine obstacles. That's something you learn. No one ever learned anything from a stage they beat on their first try.
>>719532907I literally do not care how you faggots spell ScHmUpS
>>719532739thanks muchly anon
>>719532626refer to >>719532751
>>719532661Doesn't explain anything.
>>719532937>posted it againI never click on these threads. That's the first time in years probably.
>>719532961>aren't used to having to learn things or deal with genuine obstaclesAnontachi have you not played Bayo or the stupid esoteric bullshit in Xrd
>>719519390I think this is my favorite cover art of all time.
I've never played a shmup to completion except for Platypus and I'm not sure if there's something more to them or if they really are just moving around to dodge and shoot the entire game.
>>719533009Yes I have, those are nitwit games, especially arkslop
Is Hellsinker actually genuinely good or is it a meme?
>719533008>hahaha guys I totally never click on your stupid quarter muncher trash threads :^) Mork schizo, I....
>>719532965No prob. If you enjoy even one of those, I consider my job done.
>seethe seethe seethey seething seethey seethe seethewow nice thread you have going on here, you pack of third worlders
>>719519390is MAME fixed? can I play futari on MAME now? can I play DOJ without the weird sound bug now?
No (You)s for you anymore lil shitposter
>>719533009-tachi is for plural, you're replying to only one poster
>>719533061>have to spend 30 hours to learn how to play a 1 hour long gameIt's trash, just like every other retarded shmupTyrian is the only good game in the genre, shame how it entirely devolved into tranny shit like Touhou and Mushihimesama where the whole point is fulfilling autistic AGP fantasies of being a hot girl
>>719533121Anontachisamadono I...
>>719533008Way to dodge the issue.Once again:I'm convinced posts like this are a psyop by actual fans of the genre, fishing for easy (You)sNow you respond to that.
>>719533124*sip* SO true, except the only other good vertical shooter ever is also <random memoshit from 1987>, that one really rocked!
To be fair, you need a high IQ to play a setplay simulator with half screen normals
>>719533070>make one post>get instantly called schizo samefag namefaglmao sounds like a fucking general in here.You faggots must be insufferable.
Everyone. Knows. It's. You.
I got to stage 6! with 7 creditsI really need to figure out how the fuck to deal with the stage 3 boss. Once the cubes start falling I die every single time. There's got to be a safe space or something.Stage 4 is fucked up but I think I can manage with full powerups and fuck everything about stage 5 holy hell how is anyone supposed to do that!?I like how with the stage 2 boss I went from "this is impossible" to consistently killing it without getting hit.SHMUPs are one of the few genres I can play for 6+ hours in a row.
Morkschizo could be any one of us, it could be you, it could be me
>>719533124>autistic AGP fantasiesAll the best games are that
>>719533124This but replace Tyrian with Raptor. That's the best shooter ever made.
All it takes is one faggot to become obsessed with one YouTuber.
>>719533061It's phenomenal but I wouldn't blame anyone for not liking it. It has to click.
>>719533261>raptorI still can't believe that people like this game, Raptor is such worthless boring dogshit with literally zero redeemable qualities that even Tyrianfags don't like it
>>719533216Okay, I will be going now. Have fun with your not-general. You guys have literally zero arguments.>>719533158I'm not a fan. And there is no way for me to prove it. I just got fooled into playing Ikaruga a long time ago.
>>719533348>says accusatory, extremely negative claim>refuses to give any reasoning to back it up (WHY do you consider shmups fundamentally flawed?)Textbook troll behavior. You are Mork Schizo. If not literally, spiritually.
>>719533348>He fell for the ikaruga meme and hated the whole genre forever Ikaruga fucking sucks, you just got baited
>>719533225The best I can do is get to the stage 5 boss on one credit. My buddy who got me into shmups cleared the first loop.>I went from "this is impossible" to consistently killing it without getting hit.Welcome to Treasure games.Couple of tips for the stage 2 boss rush:First, with the first miniboss, when he enters his 2nd phase (shooting the giant laser beam), you can actually dive back into the beam just half a second after he shoots it. You can basically move back into its afterimage.When you get to the boss with two cores, try to finish them both off around the same time. Gotta manage them a bit. Otherwise he gets ornery after you take one out.Hope this helps.Good luck with the stage 3 spider boss.
>>719533348>blames Ikaruga for his distaste of shmupmany such casesI blame journalists that think Ikaruga is the only shmup that exists
>>719532751Denying that arcade games are designed to make you spend more quarters is like denying that MMOs are designed to keep you subscribed or that gachas are designed to make you pay for the gacha
>>719533348>got fooled into Ikaruga a long time ago
>our frothing demand for this game increasesWhat did they mean by this
>>719533348>I just got fooled into playing Ikaruga a long time ago.You got fooled into playing a puzzle game (and a shallow one at that) thinly veiled as a shmup. Go play Mars Matrix.
>>719532961Thank you for reminding that arcadeniggers are all massive faggots and should not be given the time of day.
>>719533463>every arcade game requires you to spend money on at least some level>SO ALL OF THEM HAVE RIDICULOUS UNFAIR DESIGN TO KILL YOU ALL THE TIME YOU STUUUUUUPID FUCKING CHUDD!!!!!!Why are normalniggers like this.
>>719533463Or denying games are designed to make you pay for them
>>719533556>>719533540>>719533527>>719533486>>719533485>>719533470>>719533463I made all of these posts.
>>719533540Did I say that>>719533556You tried.
>>719533591I have made every post in every arcade threadI have never spoken to another user about arcade games
>>719533591Um...
>719533620You used that as an argument against me stating the obvious fact that you stupid retardniggerfaggots use american kusoge being unfair as a way to retardedly assert that every arcade game ever is a quarter muncher, so yes.
>>719533527>arcadeniggers are all massive faggotsAre you hitting on me
>>719533540Oh, so they're not designed to be really hard? Then why are you fags so obsessed with 1ccs?
>a game NEEDS to be unfair in order to be hard!!!Morky schizo...
>>719533691Meds.
>>719532545If I may I'll recommend you the following games:>nier 360, bayonettaNieR Automata, God Hand, Ninja Gaiden Black (or Sigma 1 if you can't emulate it) and Ninja Gaiden II (Xbox 360 version).>monster hunter 4 ultimateThe PSP Monster Hunter games and MH3 Ultimate.>doom eternalThe original first two Doom games, and Doom 3 BFG Edition. The first two Quake games.>guilty gear xrdGuilty Gear XX Accent Core Plus.>sin and punishment 64Sin & Punishment: Successor of the Earth, Omega Boost.>vanquishBinary Domain, Zone of the Enders: The 2nd Runner, the Armored Core series.>tony hawks undergroundThe original Tony Hawk trilogy.You're welcome.
So many buzzwords being thrown around.
doods you don't get it, I got knocked out of stage 1 in 14 arcade games in a row and gave up, that's why platinum makes the best games ever
>>719533440>you can actually dive back into the beam just half a second after he shoots itLike, its hitbox is only in front or something? Good to know but that guy gives me zero trouble. I just position my options above or below me while he shoots his laser.I was getting frustrated with dying to everything so I took a little break from Gradius to play Gradius and it was fun seeing him again in Gradius 2. >he gets ornery after you take one out.Will do. I found it works better for me personally to focus all my options together and blast one core at a time. Not sure why. Even if I mess up at least his anal phase is pretty manageable. Also why the hell did they put a boss rush in stage 2!?
>719533823What in the schizo strawman
I fucking HATE shmups. They're all WORTHLESS FUCKING BULLSHIT!!!!! Except for [random memoshit from 1987], that one's the best!!!
>>719533789>Sin & Punishment: Successor of the EarthThat's the one he mentioned. You're probably thinking of Successor of the Skies / Star Successor.>Omega BoostI >>719532739 should have mentioned that, good pick. On that note: Gamera 2000 for the PS1. Anyone who likes on-rails shooters along the lines of S&P needs that in their life.
>>719533868I really hate this trend of putting question marks at the end of statements
>>719533873>You're probably thinking of Successor of the Skies / Star Successor.You're right, my bad. It has been a while since I played the Wii one.
*sip* yep.... this one here is one of the best vertical shooters ever made. Shame there aren't more like it. I just want to sit back, relax, and jerk my mouse around while watching the explosions. The only shooter to ever come close to this is [random memoshit from 1987]
>>719533857just play sol cresta dood, it's the bayo of shmups!
I am completely lost as to wtf is happening right nowIt seems there's maybe 4 real posters and just nonstop shitposters making up weird nonsense
>yeah, shmups are the only REAL video games. Everything else is casual trash.You fags deserve to have schizos ruining your threads.
>719533975Mork schizo..... no one is falling for this
>>719532545I know how you feel. All 3D games with flashy spectacle, you could try playing late 90's 3D arcade games and then from there try to work your way backward to mid 90's, etc. How familiar are you with the dreamcast library? For me that's one of my gateways. Indies are another great gateway, you shouldn't feel bad about playing arcade-styled indies because "they're not trve arcade" and incorporate some modern design that will make them more palatable to you. They're great entry points. Because if you end up liking one of those, then you'll have a better time when you finally play the classic it rips off. So I try to bounce around between 2D arcade, 3D arcade and indie modernized rip-offs.Best advice is also for now disregard lists like "top 10 shmups by shmup fans" because most of those will alienate you. Just play what looks fun to you and if it clicks then try to increase the challenge.
>>719533913The Wii one is honestly my favorite Wii game and favorite Treasure game overall. Their magnum opus IMO. My one and only complaint is that it's almost "too long" for a rail shooter because your score gets reset when resuming from a saved file. That means if you're going for a high score, you need to do it all in one sitting, so you need to either set aside a few hours for it.
>719534009>yeah, shmups are the WORST videogames. Pure casual trashMorky schizo.... you deserve other schizos ruining your concern trolling
I know this is a shmup thread but all of this Sin & Punishment talk is getting me horny. Fuck I love those games.
>>719533975STGtroons are clinically insane
>>719534050how in the SHIT do I beat the fist fight against Deko?
>>719534096Pray to RNGsus.Also he's really going to enjoy this. Prepare to bleed.
Zoomie futafag status?
Have strong nostalgia for this since it was one of the first games I played as a kid. The ancient PC we got from a neighbor ran it at half speed and every time I used the megabomb the screen shook and slowed it to a crawl for a good five seconds.In retrospect it's pretty lackluster compared to Tyrian, but that's a pretty high bar to shoot for.
>>719534217kinojank
>>719534009>I'm ruining your thread by bumping itWhat did he mean by this
>>719533463>Denying that arcade games are designed to make you spend more quartersNo one is denying that they are hard games that make you pay to keep playing after death, the problem is that you never explain why that is a bad thing except pointing to one broken American fighting game.There are basically no games that you can play without taking hits regardless of genre, getting good at any game takes practice. Arcade games simply make you pay for that practice instead of making you buy the game upfront but once you do practice you can beat them.Seems what you really have a problem with is difficulty.
>>719534217Any fan of their Raptor or Tyrian should play Xenon 2: Megablast and/or Forgotten Worlds. Great shmups with shop systems.
>>719534263OK whats the "kino" part of it you stupid fucking nigger faggot? The entire game is uniform lines of enemies moving straight down the screen in boring, uninspired patterns, and occasionally firing an aimed shot. No patterns, no acceleration, no flow, just fucking garbage. Kill yourself. Kill yourself now.
>>719534072But sin and punishment is an absolutely terrible game
>>719534309I know you're doing a bit but this kind of rabid elitism is why shmups remain such a stagnant genera. It's the equivalent of people screaming about modern first person shooters not conforming to the standards of Wolfenstine 3D.
>>719534330>sin and punishment is a bad game because....I posted a grid of gamesI'm afraid I don't understand this level of 50000 IQ discussion
>>719534340>why are shmups not popular?>it's TOTALLY not because 80% of the best titles are completely inaccessible, the other 18% come with infinite continues that make it physically impossible for a normalfaggot to understand how to play, and the other 2% that actually try to be accessible to newcomers are small indie projects>its because ANON WAS MEAN TO ME ON 4CHAN!!!!!Kill yourself.
>>719534330>sin and punishment is an absolutely terrible gameNo, your mom's vagina is an absolutely terrible game, though. I found that out 14 years ago. Hello, son.
>>719534340>DUDE all of those normalfags totally want to play shmups TRUST ME the ONLY THING thats stopping them is this stupid fucking chud who's being meannnn to me on 4 chan dot com :(((((actual mental retard.
>>719534330>But sin and punishment is an absolutely terrible gameVery well. Present your argument. What makes it terrible?Hard mode: No "trashure" or other buzzwords.
>>719534392It was very deep though
>>719534340>some guy being rude on 4channel dot org is why normalfags dont like shmupsLet me guess, you also think that a shaman performing a ritual to the rain god will make it rain tommorow? Actual retard djinn brain belief
>stopped sacrificing people to the gods that control weather>weather gets out of controlCoincidence? I think not
>>719534340You don't really believe this, right? Like do you seriously think that shmups are niche because a few people are mildly annoying on random internet forums? You aren't ACTUALLY that retarded, right?
Mechanical Darwinism, that's that shit I don't like.Self-Serve Difficulty, that's that shit I don't like.False Mastery, that's that shit I don't like.Checkpoint Socialism, that's that shit I don't like.Skill Eviction, that's that shit I don't like.
>>719534451And wide. Hotdog down a hallway.
>>719534386>>719534419>>719534471>>719534512I've always wanted more, I dunno, "western"? style shmups like Raptor. I don't want to deal with bullet hell autism, i just want to scroll and shoot and blow things up.
>>719534551>I just want to scroll and shoot and blow things up, I dont want to deal with bullet hell autismIf you really meant this you would just play any Jap-style shmup that isn't a bullet hell like Zeroranger or Psikyo games or Raiden Fighters or Mushi original or Eschatos but you won't because you're a stupid fucking faggot liar. Kill yourself.
>>719534585>>719534551>>719534512>>719534471>>719534340>>719534309>all exactly one minute partWhat the hell is going on here?
>>719534551>I don't want to deal with bullet hell autism, i just want to scroll and shoot and blow things up.Then play:Darius Gaiden and G-Darius (maybe not Dariusburst, you'd probably consider it "bullet hell")Raiden series, especially Raiden IVForgotten WorldsR-Type Delta
>>719534516>Checkpoint socialism Fucking kek
>>719534369post 5 seconds of thrilling sin and punishment gameplaythe character is like 1/10 of the size of the screen, its just asinine lol. like show me a "well designed" sin and punishment level that isn't the exact same thing as every other level lmao
wtf this shit is kino, this is more like it
719534516people stopped replying to your shit bait thread and started making their own chill arcade threadsso now you try to come and ruin thosebut people are still not taking the bait that sucks bro
>>719534648hes gunna learn real quick that he just sucks if he plays darius
>>719534656Your entire post was "sin and punishment is a terrible game", how are we supposed to have an actual discussion based off that?You need to actually qualify your statements
719534656tranime pic, opinion discarded
>>719534682I hired euroshmup and onimai trannies to shit up your thread for me. No need to thank me.
>>719534852>>719534726>>719534720>>719534709>>719534682>>719534675>>719534656All me btw.
>>719534720>every level is the same>10% of the screen space is occupied by the player characterThese are fairly significant arguments. And its even worse in panzer dragoon. These games are purely spectacle, they're hardly games at all. You like them because they are a low level of challenge. Shmups are frustrating at first. They take time to learn. Hard ones need actual study, you can't just bash your head against them. Like you don't need to route Sin and Punishment. None of the games you like have routing. Its obvious what the problem is.
>>719534976>>719534893>>719534852>>719534635>>719534585>>719534551>>719534542>>719534516>>719534512I made every last one of these posts.
>>719534050>My one and only complaint is that it's almost "too long" for a rail shooterI feel the same about some vertical shmups too. E.g. The Story Mode of Radiant Silvergun.>>719532545Almost forgot to recommend these:Star Fox and Star Fox 64, Gunstar Heroes, Rocket Knight Adventures (Genesis/Mega Drive version), Contra: Hard Corps (Genesis/MD. Play the translated japanese version if you find it too hard) and Alien Soldier.
>>719519390I personally seethe that all on rails, light gun shooting games are basically stuck on VR now.
>debate me!>um no counter arguments are just bait
>>719535008>The Story Mode of Radiant Silvergun.That's because they throw you through ALL stages (not just choosing between stages 2 and 4 after clearing stage 3), as well as a new boss rush stage between stages 5 and Xiga.
This is one of the most accessible Shmups ever made. Most of them are insufferable to finish because them sending you back to the very beginning after dying which just feels like an insult to your time. But here you can repeat any specific levels with a hefty amount of continues. Having free continues and the ability to revisit any stages like this makes learning level layouts and bullet patterns far less annoying. That alone makes this one of the better ShmupsDespite being more accessible this game is still mechanically pretty challenging and fun with a decent amount variety as to how you engage with the bosses/fodders instead of just shooting and finding gaps. But gameplay aside the main appeal of this game for me was the music, my god almost every track is an adrenaline rush designed to get you hyped for whatever you're going up against. Even the less energetic tracks are very well composed with A LOT of neat transitions between tracks that are literally seamless.Only minor nitpick I have is that some levels and bosses kind of lack visual clarity leading to unfair deaths but that's about it and honestly not much of an issue once you learn the pattern.I beat the whole thing in two sittings but I doubt I'll bother doing the true ending given the absurd requirement. I just don't like Shmups enough to commit a huge chunk of my time trying to get better at them so I'll just live with the fact that I missed the true final boss of the game
>>719535023At least we're getting a new Night Striker game by M2. Eventually.
>the game is shit!!11111>wtf why is no one taking my well thought out posts seriously
>>719535127>This is one of the most accessible Shmups ever madeIt's a 45 minute long endurance shmup
>>719535127>I beat the whole thing in two sittings but I doubt I'll bother doing the true endingUhhhhh you skipped 90% of the game, what
I really don't like this new era of shmup threads. Last year was better.
>>719535127>send you to the very beginning after dyingWhat the fuck are you talking about retard99% of ports nowadays are infinite continues and have practice modes
>>719522820>has no skill not reflexes >seethes
>>719535121>as well as a new boss rush stage between stages 5 and XigaYes. The bosses before Xiga were brutal.
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>>719535127>I beat the whole thing in two sittings but I doubt I'll bother doing the true ending given the absurd requirementis this post even real
>>719535401https://backloggd.com/u/Faa/review/3224978/
>>719535424>type moon shitter
>>719535305I really liked the Eagle Force fight, and how the feather spread shot attack caused slowdown on my Saturn.
So when is 'hog's new game cumming out?
>>719535767idk who the fuck that it is, do they have any 2hu 1ccs because if not i dont care
>>719535127I tried this and, what can i say, man? i fucking hate shmups. i wondered if system erasure could make the genre actually compelling to me the way they did with sokoban, another genre i historically dislike. turns out that the answer is no. this shit sucks, and from what i can tell there's nothing to really dig into here beneath the surface. at least it looks and sounds pretty ig!
>>719534330You like Celeste, your opinion is beyond worthless.
>>719536152Anyone who doesn't like celeste unironically has a brain virus
>>719536203Celeste is an absolutely terrible game
>>719536203>trooncore hideous flash game tier platformer with checkpoints every screenComplete dogshit.
>>719535424wow going through his reviews that retard is such a shitter with bad skills and bad taste, how do you even find such retards to copy paste shit reviews from?
>>719536203never played it but the retarded chibi pixelshit but with modernity elements sprinkled in without rhyme or reason artstyle tells me that it's probably not very good.
>>719536230>flash game tier platformerno flash game handles like celestehttps://youtu.be/yorTG9at90gceleste is one of those games you know is top tier the second you move the character
>>719536380>it's good because a youtuber told me it wasI see
>>719536330>never played itthere's that brain virus
>>719535767Thanks for reminding I've to play Gunvein.>when is 'hog's new game cumming outIf you mean Armed Decobot its Steam page says 2025. Looking at the screenshots it seems aesthetically similar to Blue Revolver.
>>719536403im not writing up an essay to tell you why a game you never played is good, ive already put 10x more effort into this than you
>>719536380The first thing this anglo fuck explains is that the game has simplified momentum compared to a game from 1989. Pure slop just from that alone.
I'm noticing more avatar posters. Welcome
>>719536457>newfag literally cannot tell that there are multiple people replying to himI see why you think Celeste is good if you're that retarded
>>719522795threads don't get locked here like in reddit, japanon
>>719536492it has a great sense of momentum, and if you ever tried to speedrun super mario bros 3 you'd know how unpleasant that game is to control. it just doesnt demand enough precision from the player normally for it to matter. additionally, it has deeper momentum mechanics, via wave dashing, which the player has more precise control over, but you wouldnt know about that mechanic if you didnt play the game :)
>>719536648>and if you ever tried to speedrun super mario bros 3 you'd know how unpleasant that game is to control.Filtered. Stick to tranny indie slop with checkpoints every picosecond.
Remember when shmup threads were fun?
>celeste is a good game because uhhh speedtranny nonsense in a different game is bad and a youtuber said celeste was goodWoah... I see
>>719536728try a speedrun of 2-3 in mario bros 3, the end of the level involves a lot of wonky momentum insofar as nabbing a shell and delivering it to the end of the level at max speed. you'll see how fiddly it is. go ahead and do it, and come back with a webm.
>>719536907this isnt a shmup thread, if you looked at OP and thought this was a shmup thread you are the problem. the thread is currently on topic, that topic being>Videogame genres that make /v/ seetheFeel free to make a shmup thread
>>719536943That sounds like something only a deranged faggot in a dress would even consider doing.
>>719537006If it has DOJ in OP, it's a shmup thread.
>>719536907Wow I can't believe a thread with a title like "genres that make /v/ seethe" isn't filled with intelligent discussion
>>719537024the argument was that people dont notice how imprecise and bad feeling mario bros 3 is, because it doesnt demand that level of neuron activity from the player, and therefore doesn't need movement as advanced as celeste. as soon as you try to do something that isnt just holding right and jumping the game falls apart. and with that i will accept your concession.
>>719537073but DOJ really is an unironic schizo game (and thats a good thing)
>>719537128>if you spend 1 billion hours dilating while trying to complete this game from 30 years ago as fast as possible with other demented troons on Discord then the game sucksI think the issue here exists outside the game.
>>719537190True but only if you want to beat Hibachi on the WL version.
>>719537218i dont think so. games should be fun to control, and feel good to replay and improve at. thats the core of a really good video game. games shouldnt be interactive experiences.
>philistine genuinely trying to argue what art should and shouldn't be
>>719537319The core of a really good game is not how well it appeals to the insane rituals of obsessive delusional men in dresses.
Always confused me that shmups are controversial here. I would have thought they pass the /v/ litmus considering they're typically difficult, arcade style action games with little to no story and 100% focus on gameplay.
the aesthetics of video games is in gameplay. everything else is secondary and not the focus of this medium.
>>719537463That's because what you are talking about is just posturing. We do have a few genuine shmup fans but it's hardly how the majority of the board looks like.
>>719537463Yes I have an answer for that, you see the issue lies in that I am not currently balls deep inside Arcueid right now
>>719537463/v/fags are retarded posers
>>719537463The gameplay needs to be good though, not autoscroller slop.
>>719536728>Stick to tranny indie slop with checkpoints every picosecond.Celeste screens are typically longer than entire mario levels.
>719537590Morky schizo.... everyone can tell this is baitNo one except shmupfags know what an autoscroller is
>>719537463in case you still havent realized this board claims to favor gameplay and hate movie game but plays nothing but vns and jrpgs
>>719538006>No one except shmupfags know what an autoscroller isYou are probably right about who made that post but what? I'm pretty sure most people know what it is.
Why do Americans seethe so hard over VNs?
self-serve difficultygameplay density
>>719538264At the least they don't give a shit about it enough to specifically care that shmups are autoscrollers and mention that element
>>719538006>too afraid to directly quote>discord dilation lingoI can automatically assume your adversary is based.https://youtu.be/dcBHPj8rdOc?si=2Z5kYL2_U4dRByXi
>>719538248They don't even play VNs desuI can't count how many retardniggerfaggots I've seen parrot shit like "don't read Fate, just watch the anime"
>>719538305Fair enough
>>719519703it worked, this image makes me just shake my head in disappointment, minus the part where i browse /jp/. iidx is so fucking good it singlehandedly changed my opinion towards rhythm games
>>719538278Because yuropoors don't know about the good VNs like rondo duo
>schizo is discord tranny lingoMorky schizo.....
>tfw varied art enjoyerFeels so fucking good man, I can appreciate all kinds of thingsSucks to be a narrow-minded shmupfag that cannot fathom anything else
https://youtu.be/QvOKAhX_lp0Is he right? Is /v/ just disillusioned with video games because they are shit at them?
>>719538387>schiz-ACKhttps://educate-yourself.org/cn/How-to-Stop-Electronic-Harassment-via-Nano-Fungal-Infection005jun17.shtmlhttps://web.archive.org/web/20250120175435/https://www.targetedjustice.com/gangstalking---training-manual.htmlhttps://youtu.be/NJwMbbP1MpM?si=swbTYFEcnWi--j66
>719538418Morky schizo.....
>>719538517Yes. Different tastes, opinions, or dislikes do not exist. You and your youtuber are completely correct.
>>719538550>>719538532>>719538520>>719538517>>719538418>>719538387I created all of these posts.
>>719538574Cope
>>719538517Didn't watchBut I like shmups purely because I find the gameplay fun and find high difficulty a good excuse to keep playing the game more.
I am a homosexual and I love sucking on penises.
>>719538574Cope as fuckhttps://youtu.be/im7TwCgFdLs?si=DeNcD3rht4cIISJa
>>719519493THATS NOT TRUE!!!!!
I have sucked thousands upon thousands of penises.
Shmup cucks always go to other games threads and become more insufferable than schizos only to recommend some of worst boring dogshit out there.
>>719538517This genre is so shit people make motivational speeches about how spending hours grinding was totally worth it for the momentary hit of dopamine.
>shmup fags <delusional schizophrenia>What did morky schizo mean by this
>>719538661Sneed evenIf you must https://youtu.be/R7a08-f76a8?si=QH4PQGC8_h-tnwOW
>>719538717Have u tried playing just one lil shmuppy
These games are just glorified rhythm games without the fun. Worst genre that /v/ memed me into.
>>719538728You will understand once you get the first 1cc.Although you probably never will with that attitude.
>>719538816I'm not trans nor spend most of my time on discord.
>rhythm game schizo is backeveryone is here
>>719538837I have several, the genre is still slop.
>>719519493Fpbp
>>719538910>I have severalDoubt.Mainly because why the fuck you would even bother to do that if you thought the genre is bad?
>>719538878>schizoEVERYBODY DO THE DISCORDhttps://youtu.be/C7-PMwQyISs?si=I05iRQXIli6GgCQz
>I HATE SHMUPS AND ALL OF THEM FUCKING SUCK!!!!>also I invested enough time to get multiple 1ccs. ummm not because I like them or anything baka!why do schizos always out themselves like this
/v/ literally cannot fathom getting good then still disliking somethingIt's why they try to change reality whenever I tell them I've been playing fighting games competitively for 8 years, and got out when I realised how garbage the games wereThey cannot fathom it
>>719538938There are some really piss easy games you'd have to try to not 1CC on your first try, like MUSHA. Also how do you know a genre sucks unless you try it?
>>719538968>why do I support our tranny government so much?>ACK!!https://youtu.be/r9LvN0Rm31s?si=7kcmy1wLm7gWO2sv
Shmupstroons don't actually play their pigshit and larp as Touhou characters like the trannies they are.
"still disliking something" is a fancy way of saying "I said they're all objective dogshit and you're a bad person for liking them"Schizos are getting really sloppy nowadays....
>>719539005>There are some really piss easy gamesPlay the difficult ones then, I would also get bored of easy ones but that would be my fault for picking those up.>Also how do you know a genre sucks unless you try it?There is trying it, and there is attempting a 1cc run, and then actually completing it.
>>719539004They can't accept that they're playing smash wrongYou don't need wave dashing to winStop running back and forthYou're gonna run into my attack...https://youtu.be/9KJMPVNbrNk?si=I4a_D0mnok7MIjbb
>>719539064>>719539060>>719539051>>719539019>>719539005>>719539004All me.
>>719539064The difficult ones are the same shit but with more grinding. The only genre that rivals fighting games when it comes to a sheer lack of innovation.
>people have normal discussions>"yeah i played a few shmups, i can see the appeal but they aren't really for me">weird internet people enter>"UH ACTUALLY YOU HATE ALL SHMUPS BECAUSE THEY REMIND YOU THAT YOU'RE WEAK AND YOU CAN'T HANDLE THE DIFFICULTY"It's impossible to have proper discussion
>>719539098NopeCopehttps://youtu.be/2ZANNt_uyvM?si=d1VOyLI3JFL0CZcJ
>>719539120>The difficult ones are the same shit but with more grinding.Maybe actually try to run them first.That's like judging the entire platforming genre from having beaten Kirby and modern Mario.
>>719539128>implying shmups in and of itself isn't weird internet lingoI refuse to learn what it means
>>719539051I look exactly like this
>Rayforce isn't innovation>Hellsinker isn't innovation>Battle Garegga isn't innovation>Star of Providence isn't innovation>Mars Matrix isn't innovation>Ikaruga isn't innovation>Suwapyon 2 isn't innovation>Refrain isn't innovation>AkashicVerse isn't innovation>Zeroranger isn't innovationKill all innovationschizos.
>>719539185Can't we just cancel zoomers already?
>>719539120>The only genre that rivals fighting games when it comes to a sheer lack of innovation.Also this is fucking retarded and only tells me you also don't play fightans.
Mork etc etc...
>>719539208>embracing CoDslop equivalent of a genreThis is why you Shmuptroons are a laughing stock.
Everyone.Knows.That.It's.You.
I'm guessing discord found a new target/punching bag.
>>719539282Oy vey!
>DISCORD DISCORD DISCORD ALL I THINK ABOUT IS DISCORDMorky.Schizo.
>>719539330BtfoZoomers ringed out
>meme eceleb genrelol lmao even
So anyway, which shumps are you even playing?Me? none right now since I just came out of a 1cc, but I'm playing arcade still
>e-celeb obsessed schizolol lmao even
not sure what's happening itt but i just emulated the switch port of daioujou and got to the 2nd stage first try, bready fun game but it's late so i'm gonna go to bed. gonna play more tomorrow
>SQWEE SQWEE I ONLY PLAY SHMUPS BECAUSE DADY MORKY PORKY SAID THEY'RE FOR HARDCORE GAMERS SUCH AS MYSELF OINK OINK
>>719539537Play the black label version first to preserve your sanity.Anyway, good luck. The fun begins at stage 3.
>>719539450>So anyway, which shumps are you even playing?Nobody in this thread claiming to love this shit genre actually plays them.
>patternslop
>>719539637I love the genre and play them though.
>morky schizo still seethinglmao
Can zoomers stop with the discord buzzwords for five seconds?I have no idea what the fuck any of this even means
I am a transsexual (of the male-to-female variety) by the way.
>>719539802Cope and speed in the zoomer departmentDo I sense a weakness in the system?Noted.https://youtu.be/YgXNYwMT11M?si=DGQwNwzYRWJ7JtkE
>>719539601this one? what does it change?
>>719539913just makes the game more forgiving overall
>>719539913>what does it change?tl;dr easierlonger version:>smaller hitboxes>faster hyper charge>less aggressive zakos(specifically the ones that shoot pink aimed bullets) and a few select bigger enemies>intentional slowdown in some hectic sections(e.g. the second stage boss, last attack)>replacing some bigger bullets with smaller ones(stage 3 boss, stage 4 cannon)>Shotia has less slowdown effect when you use the laserhowever:>higher scoring requirements to get extendsThis one is fair since you can spam hypers easily.
>>719519390The ship is a penis (subtle metaphor)
>>719539128Cope weakling
>>719540147What's Freud's favorite shmup?
>>719540040>>719540056nice, thanks for the tip otherwise i would have just kept playing the original arcade version
>>719540147You're thinking of R-Type.
>>719539019Damn, this gets good at the 2 minute mark.
>>719539659Every game with a conflict has patterns. Attack patterns in Souls games, garbage block patterns in versus-style block puzzle games, hitting notes in rhythm games to keep your health from depleting... The patterns in bullet hell games just happen to be literal curtains of bullets to navigate. It's a puzzle to solve.
>>719541646No chuddie, you don't get it. Shmups are LITERALLY the ONLY GENRE IN VIDEOGAMES where you can remember enemy attack patterns. Imagine that, a computer program that has patterns instead of rolling dice every frame.
bomba
>>719542434If you do that, Ikeda will materialize in your room and only leave after you 1cc the game on no miss no bomb.
>>719521318>and why you shouldn't spam continues etc.What, you should just stop playing? That doesn't seem fun.
what is it about shmups that attract so many troons and schizos?
>>719543283As in, doing 1cc runs.You can use continues to practice, but the goal is to learn the game for 1cc.
>>719543403Yes, the goal of every game is to become so skilled at it that you do not lose. I don't see how that is unique.
>>719543585It's not, but you have people who only ever played arcade by spamming continues.
>>719543680Yeah, that's the point of the game. That's how they make money.
>>719543717Not sure what you are even trying to say honestly.
