>WAAAA i'm getting CORNERED by enemies and I LOSE!! WAA!!!! o-okay w-we will uhh.. make your roll go through anything.. yes>WAAAA i WANT MORE LOOT!!!! MORE MORE!!! NOW!!! FAST!!o-okay okay we will... maaybe we can increase the loot.. just a.. lil bit..?>WAAA i.. WHY CANT I RESPEC ALL THE TIME FOR FREE??? why can't i just have FUN?? i don't WANT to commit!!! WAAAo-oh d-don't worry we can.. w-we'll reduce the respec cost!>WAAAAAA i'm LOSING in these trials AND THSE ANNOYING EXPLOSIONS!!!!!c-calm down w-we'll... nerf the trials and and... umm.. w-we can remove the explosions...>WAAA this is just booring I WANNA BE FASTER THIS IS BOORINGGG!!!y-yes we hear you uhh.. maybe we c-can... we'll add a.. a.. s-sprint feature...>1.0 comes out>game is literally PoE1 with WASD
Sorry, but I'm sticking with Grim DawnForgive me, Zanzibrandt...
Poop Of Excrement II.
KYS tranny shill
>>719528581I really don't understand the playerbase whining for this. Especially since development is like halfway done before full release.
>>719528581PoE is unironically too slow, give me mageblood after the campaign and/or let us skip the campaign entirely and start at level 70.SSF also needs a literal 100x multiplayer for the drop rates as a bare minimum.Don't care about the sequel, it will never be good, every dev that's worked on it should kill themselves.
>>719528581>release EA game>hype train>newfags shit and piss>oldfags shit and pissYou did this to yourselves
>>719528581You type like a fucking faggot and the game is still the exact same shit
reminder there isn't a single actual hard game that's slow and methodical like ggg fantasizes about
>>719528581Thanks for your input JonathanFix your fucking game
>>719528581>1.0 comes out>game is literally PoE1 with WASD\Sounds perfect. Can't wait.
>>719528581You seem like you got filtered
I'm still baffled they somehow reverted the ability to roll between enemies.
>>719529416>why would people complain about things they want to see changedWhat you think the point of early access is?
>>719528581Yes, poe1 "players" are genuinely the worst gamers ever, they're even below gacha gamers. They spent over a decade playing a game where you're immortal and 1-shot the screen. Even pressing flasks was too much gameplay for them and had to be automated.Their vision for poe2 is an infinite cutscene where you watch monsters explode and drop loot. Top streamers unironically got filtered by white mobs this season.
>>719528581>every complaint starts with WAAAno wonder gamers are getting bullied a lot, seriously, get another hobby that worth more than crying that your pixelated toys is not what you wanted
>>719528581Poe specimen are the saddest lot I've ever seen
>>719532443This right here, PoE players grew accustomed to not playing the game. They spent years invalidating content through screen clears and movement skills and that has withered away their ability to handle the simplest of mechanics.GGG isn't handling the """beta""" for 2 all that well but holy fuck I cannot imagine how annoying it is to have to listen to this garbage feedback all day long.
>we want to be like dark souls>except we won't commit to anything dark souls does except for adding a dodge-roll>also since the game was early access we filled in the blanks with poe1 league stuff which runs completely contrary to "slow & methodical">also, after a management argument between the ggg heads, chris wilson just left the office and never came back
I haven't tried it, but is d4 better?
>>719532059Why does every complaint come down to "please make the game easier"
>>719528581>>game is literally PoE1 with WASDGood.
>>719530721>slow and methodical like ggg fantasizes abouti dont get it, they want to slow down the game but white tier shit mobs run faster than you and body block you while attacking you 4x faster than you can and they stun/interrupt you.
>>719533852>community solution to this is giving the player 1000000x damage and healthNo matter how retarded GGGs vision is, everything the community wants is even more retarded
>>719534048post your most recent build
>>719534185deadeye lightning arrow
>>719528581>make your roll go through anythingthis was rolled back
>>719534048Here's the thing about GGG.They lie as easily as they make money.They say X, but mean Y."slow the game down" is Kiwispeak for "increase the grind."They're slowing down player power progression, NOT the actual gameplay speed.The big "slowdown" patch for PoE1, Expedition, was a mountain of nerfs and actively moving power off of the passive tree and gems, things players can readily access with almost 0 investment and putting it on gear. High level affixes, influenced affixes.. high level influenced affixes. And then of course...Timeless Jewels which are exclusive to an endgame mechanic that takes minimum 200 Splinters to access and drops maybe 5 an encounter max in low tier maps. Cluster Jewels, etc.All these different things become accounted for in how they balanced mob HP and damage.. even at the low end just to kill people and make the game drag even more.
>>719534235Literal NPC
>>719534296Post your most recent build.
>>719534235then none of what you said is true, you've never even played the game
>>719528581>>WAAA i.. WHY CANT I RESPEC ALL THE TIME FOR FREE??? why can't i just have FUN?? i don't WANT to commit!!! WAAAIt's a video game not a fucking job ARPGfags are the only ones that think wasting 10 hours levelling a new character just to try a slightly different build is normal.
>>719534402I hate this mindset, zoomers cannot commit to anything, they want everything at all times with no investment.
>>719534326Fissure Warbringer
>>719534530I simply do not believe you.
>>719534525ITS A FUCKING VIDEO GAME. YOU PLAY IT FOR FUN. COMMITMENT SHOULD NOT BE A FACTOR YOU FUCKING SPERG.
>>719528581Yeah wasd was what put me off. The movement is ass. I want to play with fucking mouse but the character movement and how it turns is awful
>>719534402have you considered that easy (or free) respec makes it a viable solution to counter whatever the game throws at you by just respeccing to counter it, lowering the difficulty drastically and making it so that players aren't required to consider different scenarios for their builds?it literally makes perfect sense to have high cost respec or no respec at all. it's not just about "having fun" or "having to level a new character", it's so that one character has strengths and weaknesses instead of morphing to suit the current thing
>>719532443TRVKE
PoE is like a game you expect to find in a casino lolit's such a degenerate game
>>719534287>Cluster JewelsFucking hate cluster jewelssimple as
>>719534628Exactly, your brain is so addled you cannot understand the point of playing a video game.
the sprint is so fucking bad lmaoHow does a 25 year old game manage to have more crisp, more responsive gameplay?????
>>719534525>>719534868>zoomers refuse to eat shitBased
>>719534628Let me guess, you buy boosts, RMT for currency, and get carries in every online game you play.
>>719534723I can't be bothered explaining exactly why this is so fucking retarded, all I'll say is that you've constructed a fantasy that ignores how games, and especially ARPGs, are designed.
>>719534849i see my steam friends at level 80 already while im forcing myself to try and catch up playing a garbage class (sorc). idk if im gonna even reach maps desu
>>719528581>devs' tantrum blog postEither do your job properly or kill yourself, GGGtroon
>I need to spend 10 hours not having fun every time I make a character because...I just do ok???
>>719534619It's a good build. Maybe you shouldn't copy builds of streamers who struggle to clear the campaign. I promise you that it would blow your mind how easy it is with warbringer.
>>719535003It's the journey and the investment that make a game worth playing.
>>719534723lmfao get a load of this fag
>>719534723The game has an easy respec, you just talk to a npc and click it's that fucking simple.
>>719534937>that's just retarded! i want my character to do everything at will!poe retards are beyond hope
>>719534525Do you really prefer sitting in PoB and spending thousands of hours learning how to build characters over just playing the game?
>>719535141yes, it NOW does, but it used to cost substantial amount of money but was nerfed to be cheap by spineless developers. did you read the OP post?
Poe1 with wasd would be finePoe2's design identity was to make your characters slow and fee like shit
>>719528581dogpoopoo dogshit two
>>719532443What's amazing to me is that they have been playing a game they hate, with a company that hates them for 10 years, solely because they like the gameplay of the top 1% of builds, that 99% of players never use. They've been asking for an AH that entire time. They've been asking for faster clears, more convenience, fewer oneshots, etc etc the entire time. They genuinely think that what they like about PoE represents the "true" PoE, that GGG used to have something perfect and that every change made is misguided or incompetent. Every time GGG releases yet another manifesto about why x or y feature is the way it is, these players ignore it and imagine that they just need to repeat themselves again, only louder and with more upvotes about the fact that trading is slow or monsters can kill you. These players have pushed everyone else who likes PoE away, somehow, incredibly. They've outlasted everyone else. For ten years, begging for this or that when the company directly states that they won't get it.And then? When they do get what they want? When they do get an AH finally, after a decade of struggle? Nothing. No heartfelt thanks, no celebrations in the streets. Time to complain about the next thing. The free unlimited quicksilver flask GGG just gave every single player? YOU CAN DIE IF YOU RUN INTO A PACK OF MONSTERS WITH IT??????????? GGG WTF DO YOU NOT GET LET ME REPEAT MYSELF BUT LOUDER
>>719528581>game is literally PoE1 with WASDAs opposed to what? What else was it was supposed to be? Cuck PoE with wasd and mmotard rotations but without loot?
death to every arpg main
>>719534969the post is against GGG and PoE2 you illiterate retard
How long does it take 10C to beat Bald Fucking Retards stupidity out of the kiwis?
>>719535151Get real you just grab a cookie cutter league starter off Youtube or Vault and tear through the acts with zero effort. No respec only harms players who want to actually play the game blind, have fun, learn mechanics and progress at their own pace.
>>719535210It's never cost a substantial amount of money, you could from day 1 respect with the gold you had from the campaign.
>>719535046Uh, no autist-kun, a game is supposed to be fun the whole way through
>>719535173>Do you really prefer sitting in PoB and spending thousands of hours learning how to build characters over just playing the game?You do know where you are, right? Yes of course he prefers that, /v/eddit hates gameplay.
>>719535151you act like this fuckin' game has a variety in builds and not just 'boy this does dogshit damage I want to swap to something else that doesn't', if something is doing garbage damage it's going to do shit damage ridiculous of whatever made up game scenario that doesn't exist that you just brought up
>>719535351yeah, ALL the gold you got from the campaign
poe threads are always full of the worst cringe, probably because they’re made by a troon discord
>>719535453>game has a variety in buildsIt does. The issue is you fags think anything less than the very best, most OP build possible, is garbage.
>>719528581ive never seen a sequel skill issue the fuck out of the original playerbase so much in my fucking life, watch any poe1 streamer and they are losing their fucking minds at sucking at the game>die lose their mind>make a shit buildlose their mind>struggle ascending lose their mindits the funniest shit i have ever seen the game is supposed to be hard other than making a build thats the fun of it you fucking dumbasses
>>719534723Countering what? This isn't a game with class roles you tard nor is there anything even to counter besides just doing damage.
>>719528581>by 1.0 game is literally PoE1 with WASDand this is bad because???
>>719535326>>719535574>No respec only harms players who want to actually play the game blind, have fun, learn mechanics and progress at their own pace.Literally no. Complete opposite. I played the game blind, to "have fun", and to progress at my own pace, and I wish it didn't have respec AT ALL because it becomes fucking tedious and retarded if you can respec easily because it becomes the most effective way to play the game.>oops this doesn't deal a lot of damage, sigh time to respec>damn this build is so slow, time to respec>shit this boss is extremely resistant to X, time to respec>respec respec respecthat's fucking ass. I'd rather be stuck with a sub-optimal character than have the option to do this shit. respec is literally for cucks and zoomers>>719535625read: >>719532443
>>719535625we already have poe 1
>>719534356>DUDE YOURE PLAYING RANGED DUUR MOBS SHOULDNT EVEN BE HITTING YOU LOLOLOLkys pls
>>719535560Yeah it's pretty hilarious. They've spent so long playing PoE 1 where the closest thing to gameplay they've experienced is clicking the loot, they absolutely lose their shit at the first sign of anything resembling difficulty.
>>719535532It's an ARPG, they're build checks not player skill checks. Either your build is good enough to clear the content or its not. Do you even play these fucking games?
>>719535641just because you have autism doesn't mean everyone else does, no respec would cause this game to die even faster than it will after the free weekend is over
>>719535641Anon you a fucking retard that is completely divorced from the reality of what games and how they're designed, ESPECIALLY ARPGs
>>719535664>they're build checks not player skill checksTell me you prefer PoE1 without telling me you prefer PoE1.
>>719535742>roll slop>boss DDR with the most elementary MMO mechanics>skillbro...
>>719535742I'm not telling you what I prefer im telling you what they ARE you fucking fag.
>>719535776>>719535783>filteredThought so.
>>719535739Anon it is you that is divorced from reality here, games are fun because of the limitations you work within, if you are given EVERYTHING for FREE and never have to WORK for anything there is no sense of accomplishment and you never earned jack shit.Get out of here zoom zoom, do your parents know you are on the internet right now?
>>719535641Then stop respeccing you autistic retard. You go faster if you have a good build to start with and if you actually care about that just go get a gay youtube build to "win".
>>719535739I'm divorced from what games are because I want them to... have some friction in them? I don't know man you sound a bit misguided yourself, have you played a lot of PoE1 perhaps?
>>719535641based
>>719535820>games are fun if you make them the most tedious shit imaginable with artificial difficultyThat sounds like the opposite of fun, no respec just means even more copypastes of the same meta builds because no one would want to actually experiment.
>>719535851>>719535703>NOOO if you play the game well with its' own rules you are actually autistic and you are meant to purposefully handicap yourself!!!!!
>>719536030>games are fun if you make them the most tedious shit imaginable with artificial difficultyWelcome to /v/
>>719535251They literally made poe2 because they weren't happy with the zoomer gameplay of poe1 and have said so numerous times. It was never ever ever meant to be poe1 with wasd. It was created to NOT be that.
>>719532443majority of poe1 players want the easiest loot get because the game has been essentially forced to be designed around chase items that require very high currency per hour and maximizing killspeeds"but the fun is getting there" my brother in christ people clamor for "leaguestart" builds that zoom through shit from the beginning anyways, going even a little slow is anathema to poe1 players everything they say otherwise is lying/cope
>>719536030Anon playing a game and not having access to literally everything at level 1 is not tedious, something is wrong with your brain.
>>719535820>devs decide to randomly nerf your build mid-season as they've done several times>ruin your entire character as you can't respecBut I'm sure you'd just carry on with it even though they've literally broken builds before to the extent they were actually unusable.
>>719536140You can still respec anon, nothing is preventing yo u from doing that.
>>719536128Why are you making up a random ass strawman, I'm talking about the ability to respec at all.
>>719535560The poe2 campaign is unironically more difficult for them than a poe1 gauntlet. Let that sink in.
>>719528581>You cleared all the green bullshit monsters in the area! congratulations! here is your reward!
>>719536140>give free respec of affected skills by any balance changeshuh almost as if there's an automatic solution to this that would be rather easy to implement as well...
>>719536030>That sounds like the opposite of fun, no respec just means even more copypastes of the same meta builds because no one would want to actually experiment.No you fucking imbecile, you're not supposed to solve the game in 3 months. Older games were played for decades because it took people longer to find hidden things. Now people laud the most recent patch of X but get bored of it in a few weeks and demand more "content" and can't explain why they don't play it anymore.
>>719536042You're acting like PoE1 didn't have easy respec, and that your build was some kind of commitment. It was just practically locked to maps. Did you even play the game?
>>719536192>I'm level 5 where are all my divines???????
>>719536192yes you idiot, if the loot is consistently that low, then what you posted could be considered good, those gloves might be good for you.did you know that the value of loot is relative?PoE players never realized that. they just don't see the screen filled with yellow and orange, they think there's something wrong.like they literally don't know how basic math or economics work.
>>719536127Maybe they should seek therapy then
>>719536202You're just making shit up now and this is a live service slop that resets every 3 months
>>719528581>market itself as POE>whine and bitch when your POE players want POE and not a shitty halfbaked rolling simulator
as launch POE2 better? I played on the free weekend and after the first few hours it felt just as fast as POE1. I thought the sequel was supposed to be slower and more tactical?
>>719536249No? Do I sound like I did?You pretty clearly just explained one of the reasons. It's a zero agency game for retards who want to rot their brain away.
>>719536328you've never played poe2 anon, go be annoying elsewhere
>>719535914As someone who stopped playing poe years ago, the issue is that GGG cannot balance the available content. It's not just that all builds are not top-tier: it's that most builds were complete shit and felt horrid to play.
>>719536192you are like level 5 dude
Is this worth buying? Seems very good
>>719536328Yes and they're pretty quickly making every change to make it more like PoE1. The original slower & more difficult vision is completely abandoned at this point.
>>719536250>>719536259He's right though, the loot is garbage. What are you defending it for?
>>719536192Ruthless! The Vision lives!
>>719536363its literally free all weekend
How come I like PoE2's gameplay better, but I can barely bring myself to beat the campaign, meanwhile I made two witches in PoE1 this league just to try different builds without respeccing? Somehow the moment to moment gameplay is more fun but the overall experience isn't
>>719536325>say in basically every interview that they want poe2 to be different and much slower than poe1>hurr they tricked me, I thought this is poe1 with wasdYou only have yourself to blame. Do your research the next time.
Fuck off niGGGer ahilla
waiting for 1.0 it was clear they werent ready and wont be for a very long time. invest your time and money elsewhere in the meantime. people are legit paying for loot boxes already for poe 2 and are okay with it
>>719536405Relative to what? You are incomprehensibly stupid by just saying that. Like redditor tier stupid. You probably don't even get it, but practically "the loot is garbage" doesn't exist. You can only say that about a single enemy or dungeon or whatever, but saying that the game has "garbage loot" is actual mental retardation.
>>719536405Anon, you are wasting your life being angry that people are playing a video game you don't like.Just go play a game you do like, stop being a rat.
>>719536405they are GGG bootlickers
>>719536113people went to poe because diablo3 sucks
>Killed the first enemy I came across when creating a character>It didn't drop 12 divines
>>719536514>Relative to what?Other games>>719536530>Just go play a game you do like, stop being a rat.How about you stop shilling a bad game you fucking jew
>>719536454Because PoE 2's gameplay is more akin to an offline game and that quickly becomes really old, that would be my guess. I liked poop of excrement 2's combat a lot for the first play through but it's not something I want to repeat every 3 months.
>>719528581Just play Diablo II? Ressurected or original. This stuff sounds retarded, like an antithesis of hack n slash due to feature creep.
>>719536589i got to the hillock2.0 in the first area and only had one armor drop
>>719536613What you are doing is not trolling, it is not being funny, it is a sign of a legitimate mental illness and you need to get help for it, it is not normal or healthy to act the way you do.
>>719536483What kind of a deranged attempt at a gotcha is this? How do you get me feeling tricked out of that? It's two sentences.
>>719536113Well, it seems that they aren't capable of making anything else. What's worse, they aren't capable of admitting that, preferring instead to seethe and shit themselves in resentment.And what's even worse, neither you nor they nor anyone else using similar verbal construction are capable of properly defining what """"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""zoomer gameplay"""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""""" even means even if your life would depend on it. It's just a thought-terminating cliche word.
Why does every league have some shitty gimmick tacked on? Just levelling through the campaign and there's dumb recoloured green monsters that have nothing to do with anything else.
>it le wasn't meant to be poe1>it was instead created to be unfun, every skill gem having garbage numbers and my skill tree giving me reduced attack speed as my reward for leveling up, because that's what good game design is!please fuck off
>>719536338Yeah >>719535641
>>719536378pls respond
>>719536693they should have added delve instead
Tencent shill thread
>>719536715yes that's good for a vender item, buy it
>>719536483>much slowerrefer to>>719534287
>>719536653>What you are doing is not trolling, it is not being funnyI wasn't trying to do either>it is a sign of a legitimate mental illness and you need to get help for it, it is not normal or healthy to act the way you do.Giving my opinion of a product to help inform others who might be interested in purchasing it ISN'T mental illness, it's normal human behaviour. Stop defending shite.
One thing I never understood about this game's fans is this popular opinion:>Path Of Exile is 1488/10, the greatest game of all time.... But, because it doesn't have ingame market, it's goyslop for trannies -100000/10It just sounds like gibberish to me. Like do you really care so much whether you can buy some shitty sword or not?
>>719536613>Other gamesSo you are ACTUALLY this stupid. In one game, you get 5 epic super legendary items per boss. Your bank already has 50 epic super legendary items.In other game, you get 5 basic items per boss. Your bank already has 50 basic items.Which has "better loot"? Don't you understand that they're the same? Because the loot what you get from X is relative to what the usual loot in the game is? >>719536714I was talking about PoE2 which I did play you faggot
>>719536405yea it is, but hes level 5 so this garbage is likely similar to what hes got on
>>719536759ty
>>719536821>In one game, you get 5 epic super legendary items per boss. Your bank already has 50 epic super legendary items.>In other game, you get 5 basic items per boss. Your bank already has 50 basic items.>Which has "better loot"? Don't you understand that they're the same? Because the loot what you get from X is relative to what the usual loot in the game is?Can you stop posting dumb shit like this please? Strawmen aren't interesting, they're just time wasting.
>the only thing you do in this game is kill shit over and over>make it slower than hell, some weird abomination of dark souls with zerg rush enemies>make you repeat an agonizing 30+ hr campaign every 3 months with purposely slow combatHow is this fun? For all the fags shitting on PoE 1, it knows what it is at least, this game has no real identity.
>>719536849was too hard to code it to drop 1 yellow huh?
>>719536849No, it's garbage in its conception, from the aesthetic to the system it uses.
>>719536619I think it would be better if we didn't have to repeat the campaign. The combat is kinda like D4's and I enjoy that too, but I'm happy to level a bunch of D4 characters because I can kinda just do whatever. PoE1 obvs has a linear campaign too but you just blast through it blowing up the entire screen and teleporting every second
>>719536781Get help little bro, being mad about other people playing video games is not healthy.
>>719536683The reward of playing this sort of game is clearing content well, gaining items and power, and then clearing content power effectively.It's fairly easy to understand why CW and his subordinates attempts to slow down play and rape loot rates do not actually result in something that feels good to play.
>>719536936these green events happen like every 10 minutes. if they always dropped a yellow all of your equipment would be yellow in an hour
>>719536998Yeah not having to re-do the campaign would be a nice start for sure.
>>719536998well is they made it like diablo 2 it wouldn't have been so bad I fucking hate when i have to keep going back to the gay npcs in town to get items and talk and shit to get past this trash campaign then later they copy paste the area for 10 miles just to pad out the shit.,
>>719536931Bald retard openly admitted that he takes his game design inspiration from some gook psychology papers that claim the player will drop the game if he genuinely enjoys it, and for a player to keep playing and looking at MTX, the gameplay must be an unpleasant chore, and the carrot shouldn't even be on a stick but somewhere beyond the horizon. This should explain to you why the only people who still defend that fucking game are so thoroughly buck broken - it is by design.Yes faggots I know that the bald retard is gone, but the system and game design paradigm that he shaped lives on and his butt buddies keep THE VISION alive.
>>719537029You're starting to appear to be trying too hard put your back into it he's winning
>>719532443They have a button that force disconnects you from the server so they can't die with a quick enough reaction time
>>719537118Referring to yourself in the third person is another sign of mental illness, talk to your parents, get their help.
>>719537071i found 2 yellows so far some boots which suck and have no speed and a fucking xbow with bad stats. and i have cleared like 8 of these so far
>>719535003You can beat the campaign in 10 hours?
>>719537049Chris Wilson left GGG and hadn't worked on PoE2 for years
>>719537049Would you play such a game, if the time to gain said rewards would be, let's say, 50 years of playing this game every day like a full time job? Thus, we are able to find out that the strict line in terms of time investment between such a game being worth and not worth playing exists indeed.And it seems, that in their greed to sell more MTX, those shitters have crossed it and it's not looking well for them unless they rein themselves in.
>>719536810Yes, because attack damage is almost entirely dependent on your weapon and it's quite hard to get a really outstanding weapon with SF drops.I don't think you understand how hard it is to find and craft good gear for your own build in PoE.
>>719528581Why can't I respec all the time for free? If I can't respec easily, I'll just play a safe cookie cutter build like everyone else. What's the point of a massive skill tree if there's no room to test alternative builds?I also would like a target dummy to measure the actual DPS of different builds.
>>719537092Yeh I think thats the other issue. PoE1 drops a bajillion items but you can kinda just pick up currency and a few bases you like along the way and ignore 99% of the loot, PoE2 crafting is non-existent and you don't get much currency so it feels like I have to pick up every yellow and disenchant it just to get shards to make orbs to roll the few correct bases I get only to get shit rolls and throw it away and pick up another 10 yellows on repeat
>Yes, what I want out of a game sequel is for it to do everything it possibly can differently and not play like the previous entry at all!Why call it by the same name, then? Surely if you're so confident this radical new vision and direction is so good it wouldn't need to leech off of a big, known name, right?
>>719537265It's his idea, fool. He was talking about this design goal, basically for as long as GGG was his business to run. Ruthless.>>719537108BFR clearly saw that PoE wasn't ENOUGH of a skinner box. He wanted the players to be completely degenerate gambling addicts.
>>719528581NO TEMPLARNO BUY
>>719537108The fags defending this game tirelessly don't even seem to like this genre in general and just want the game to be as far away from your typical ARPG as possible for whatever reason. Got people itt wanting to remove fucking respecs ffs kek.
>>719537531>do everything it possibly can differently the game is still an isometric RPG with the needlessly complicated passive tree. Just because it has wasd and slower gameplay doesnt mean they changed literally everything they could.
>hmm i will try this skill>feels like shit>ok maybe this one will work>feels like shit>ok ill try them all fuck it>feels like shit>ok ill just look up builds online>every class has one build at bestif this game was called trail of anguish and not "path of exile 2" it would have 100 players
>>719537552PoE2 was meant to be a big patch for PoE1, it's so far from the original incarnation and you are coping hardcore
>>719536683Just look at the player numbers. You poe1 zoomers that want to remove all gameplay are a minority. No one cares about you, especially not ggg.
>>719537605They call us zoomers but this genre was never made for ball crushing difficulty, they've always been for the power fantasy and something you just waste hours on chasing a dopamine hit.
>>719537695this is why i play minions even GGG couldn't fuck up the feel of them
>>719537714Thank you for agreeing with my cope.
>>719537739It's a free weekend, prior to this the game was hovering around 5k concurrent users on steam
>>719537824don't look up poe1 numbers 3 months after a patch/league launch
>>719537531Would you stfu about the game forever if they renamed it?
>>719537751> this genre was never made for ball crushing difficultythe whole 'endgame' of arpgs in the 90s was just doing the game on harder and harder difficulties until it was too hard.
>>719537824Damn 5k, that's like a poe1 league start.
>>7195378970.2 flopped pretty bad honestly, it lost assloads of players after a week
>>719532443They're MMO players. Literally all they want to do is waste hours of their lives clicking around to grind up items that help them clear content slightly faster.In any sane mind, the idea of playing a game for hundreds of hours so you can... play the exact same dogshit slightly faster next time would be considered utterly deranged, but for the MMO player, this is the peak of gaming. Why? Because they are incapable of getting good. All they want to do is memorise pointless walls of stats so they can steal someone else's build and go "fast". This is why they get so upset when things change, because now they have to memorise more pointless shit and forget the old values.
>>719537965sure but acting like 5k concurrent is out of the ordinary for poe1/2 3+ months post league launch is willful ignorance I dropped 0.2 at like level 40 so I'm surprised it was even 5k that far into the patch
poe2, more like lost ark2 lmaoshitty topdown mmo with a dodge button and bosses with instakill mechanics
>>719537990that's literally what you do in diablo like wdf why is that so wrong
But really, will GGG recover from CW's management before 10 Cent pulls the plug?
>>719538124yeah its kinda the whole point of these games its called powergaming
>>719538124Diablo was not a good game, it was proto-WoW. The same people that liked Diablo liked WoW.
>>719538287not true
>>719538287turning poe into lost ark makes it good?
>>719538327If you were born 10 years later you would've been super stoked about Borderlands.
How the fuck is /v/ the only place where "poe is too fast" and "poe is too slow" exist at the same time without contradiction
>>719538373not true againthere were many popular games around d2's time i cared nothing about. just because you are a sheep doesn't mean we are.
>>719538421You didn't care about them because they didn't offer the same brainless gameplay. Bet you played a lot of Warcraft 3, though.
>>719536821First one has better loot because you reach closer to the practical limit of power. If you get normal items, the super legendary items still exist and whoever gets them is stronger than you. I understand what you're trying to say but damn you're dumb.
>>719537168?
>>719538508No i played AOE2
>>719528581I'm in the interlude acts now as a Invoker Ice strike hollow palm monk, and its fun. Ice strike + crescendo 3 constantly creates clones of you that teleport to 2 other enemies and one tap them. huge dps in duo fights as well
>>719538603>First one has better loot because you reach closer to the practical limit of power.lmao
>>719534287Of course>Kripparrian suggested we release leagues with a regular schedule. We listen to gamers!Creditors and potential investors wanted to see predictable revenue streams, is what actually happened. GGG thinks you're a fucking retard.
>>719528581This is the only game I've seen where new players are better at the game than veterans from the previous entry.Let that sink in.
>>719538124Sure, so you can play Diablo or poe1 if you enjoy that style of game. Why does poe2 have to like that too.
>>719538905because poe's name is in it so people are rightfully outraged that they're being scammed
>>719536378I made a witch hunter and it's been pretty good so farIn now in the later part of act4 I believe
>>719538847Watching poe1 top racers get soft locked because they can't beat a campaign boss before running out of flasks is the funniest shit. They get hit by every mechanic and are confused why they can't face tank everything.
>>719528581the more faggoty fans are going to ruin this game, I guarantee it. poe1 mouthbreathers should have stayed in their lane
>>719528581unironically. is the new update good?
>>719538419because there's no voting system to suppress opinions you don't like. hence why redditors think they always hold the super majority opionion
>>719539009>do no research >just buy because it has the same name>wahhh they tricked meGood, ya'll deserve it. Bet you bought final fantasy 11 too and cried because they scammed you into buying an MMO.
they gutted my incinerate build. jesus christ why
>>719538792>GGG thinks you're a fucking retard.Can you blame them? They have people paying them to beta test.
oh my heavens /poeg/ is leaking
Act 1 > Act 4 > Literal sea of shit > Act 2 > The depths of that sea of shit > Act 3
>>719532443
isn't this game meant to be free?
>>719540023yes but they're in "early access" (they're not)
>>719539760>Act 1It's the worst
>>719540175>hey guys it's early access>with a paid shop>and leaguesit's a great tactic, why ever say your game is releasing when you can call it early access and deflect criticism of your cash grab?
>>719540821yeah and people willingly "fall" for that because they like ggg.
>>719540821>hey guys it's early accessIt's like $20 you fucking poorfag. Get a job. >with a paid shopDon't have to buy anything, learn to control yourself. >and leaguesIt's a core feature of the game you imbecile.
>>719528581did stormbolt arrow got nerfed? I'm doing fuck all damage and dropping ZERO support gems on act 2 pls help
I don't understand why they keep nerfing shit that was never used
>>719540023yea once the campaign is done they said they intend to drop early access and the game is free.the game is currently free this weekend to play.
>>719541436good goy
>>719528581I'm fine with the game being slow and I like the campaign a lot more than mapping which ends up being painfully boring. Just running through the campaign once a season satisfies me enough, I just hate when a build I make goes to absolute shit as I approach the end of the campaign. If you could just start mapping using any old build I'd maybe even do it but it seems catered to screen clearing speedbuilds which I can't just make on a whim because I don't have deep esoteric knowledge of all the mechanics, I just try to pick what seems to synergizeTo address those complaints>getting stuckVery annoying if you're trying to kite enemies around. Being able to roll through stuff doesn't make you immortal, it just lets you play a bit more aggressive when going a squishier build. You still eat shit from monsters with high damage so that was okay>lootDidn't really mind it, as long as it's enough to keep up with my level scaling it's okay. I don't feel like there really needs to be more than there is, though of course more is always welcome>respectPart of the issue is that creating new characters takes a long time and it's hard to experiment and try skills out in their immense skill tree, one of the selling points of the game, if you can't just respect. My first build I tried maximizing crit chance and tried to get every single crit node I could, and only afterwards realized that getting every single crit node on the tree only gave me like +30% crit chance overall and was a complete waste of time. If I wasn't able to do a full respect I probably would have dropped the game. You have to give people room to figure out what does and doesn't work since not everyone reads build guides or stat analysis shit>trialsI don't mind them, the challenge is welcome. Didn't struggle with them on release>fasterAlso don't mind, a slower paced game is okay. The problem is designing content around being fast and then making people slow, which should be done less.
>>719540223eat shit and die, Count Geonor is literally the only good campaign boss in this game
>>719528581>had the time of my life with bleed amazon>it's dead>I'll try hollow palm flicker>nerfed twice before release (the worst nerf isn't even on the patch notes>FUCK IT GALVANIC SHARDS IT IS>also nerfed, one projectile per reloadI'll come back next patch, don't feel like clearing chapter 1 in yet another character
>>719539336I want to like poe2 but i don't. My highest dude is like 68 so take that as it is. I don't think the patch is good. A lot of people seem unhappy. Everything minus deadeye feels weak and slow. Like, 50% of the league is Deadeye
Melee feels like ass. Ever engaging with blocking feels like ass. Heavy Stun feels like ass. Why doesn't the game have any fucking SWORDS yet?
>>719543212>Why doesn't the game have any fucking SWORDS yet?My schizo theory is that they know there's no point in implementing more melee-focused stuff without doing a full overhaul of the melee gameplay and philosophy.
>>719528581I thought the ascension mechanic would be a lot more fun than what we got. I’m honestly amazed anybody can clear it. Souls has really convinced everybody to make the most tedious annoying game content possible in lieu of having fun concepts to use. I don’t copy stats and shaved by the twin bosses by a cunt hair; will never do it again or replay the campaign.
>>719543212my favorite part of heavy stunning a boss is when they roll out of your attack range
>>719543275Melee needs to unironically be fucking invincible to ever warrant using
>>719542913last I checked it was as 40% in Poe ninja, was it worse than amazon last league?
Goddamn I really hate niGGGers
>>719543350and since heavy stun only lasts like 2 seconds( even though it it takes an eternity to stun) by the time you walk to the boss he's already back up
>>719539336>unironically. is the new update good?It feels great to not have to do the Cruel shit. Act 4 is great in every way, but pacing is a tiny bit off at times. The interludes are really good too. Sprint feels pretty decent, but sometimes can be a bit annoying with the steering and mobs knocking you down. The support gem change is great.For the kind of update it is, I'd give it a solid 8/10. Now having said that, keep in mind that if you disliked the game before then this patch won't really have changed much of the overall state of the game. Combat is still relatively untouched, the endgame is basically the same, no new class, no new weapons, etc.
>>719529704ARPG trannoids do not want a game they want a slot machine button simulator that gives them as much perceived dopamine as possible when they press it, despite all these nerfs cheapening the entire experience as long as more shit fills the screen and they feel like they got a jackpot the brain addled faggots are happy
>>719543578https://poe.ninja/poe2/builds/dawn29% were amazon but 45% were lightning spears
>>719541436imagine sucking a turd like this loser
>>719543212I think the first thing that needs to happen is that you can walk while attacking with melee. Why can casters and ranged weapons move while attacking, and in melee you can only do a step forward?
>>719536030>unironically said artificial difficultywhich streamer gave you your opinion lol?
>>719543784what I don't get is why it's so popular, I'm still on act 1 doing fuck all damage to Geonor with stormbolt arrow, does it ramp up later? last league I would melt this dude before he finished his dialogue
im in act4 as mercenary witch hunter it has been great so farit seems like they added a bunch of new moves for old bosses which is greatthey should focus on balancing enemies for them to have meaningful animations like this instead of balancing the player if they want the game to be methodical.
>>719543578That's because people are NPCs and do what their streamers tell them to do. All the deadeyes in HC die before maps.
>>719543212
PoE2 is bad
>>719543773TRVVVVVKE
>>719544161>shooting lightning from daggersyou mean like monk's quarterstaff? to be fair poe1 has the same issue with daggers not really being melee weapons and instead shooting projectiles
>>719528708grim dawn is great and /v/ should play it
>>719544135>im in act4 as mercenary witch hunter it has been great so farWhat build you playing?
>>719544028Leveling as spear guy in 0.2 sucked ass but in the end game the whirlwind slash was absolutely bonkers due to some clever use of game mechanics where you would use two sets of support gems for one skill. Purpose of this was to first create a large whirlwind with AoE support gems, and then move the large whirlwind around with the second setup solely built for damage and speed.
>>719529704WAHHH I HAVE TO PLAY MY VIDYA WAHHHHHH TENCENT SAVE MEEEEEEEEEE
ggg never had a good grasp on melee. poe1 melee is just spamming point-blank AoEs. And desyncing frequently because their dogshit server was unable to keep up with the UNRIVALED POWER of SPIN2WIN
>>719544389frost+frag and armor pierce+high velo with a siege ballistafor ascendency im running no mercy which i seemed like a meme but after using it for a while i can say it actually does somethingbtw siege ballista seems like it can keep the concentration stacks refreshed even when im running aroundthe pinning ballista interferes with freeze so im not using that
do you guys use the normal game launcher or use the Steam version?
>>719528581>game is literally PoE1 with WASDI called this shit straight away. PoE1 was never meant to be what it ended up as. The devs just cucked endlessly until the entire game was just builds that propel you around the map at light speed while you spam spells that trigger 50 effects. It's fucking boring.
>>719536250same shit on maps, rare mobs give me 5-6 stacks of gold and a useless magic/rare item
PoE2 may be a fucking unbalanced slog, but it's at least it's not as braindead spamfest as PoE1
>>719547145Just give it a few season, it will soon be exactly like PoE1
>>719528581>massive abyssal fissure with 4 caves on the first act 2 zone>yellow chest>think I'll get some fat loot>get one exalt and one alteration fuck this game bro
Ah PoE, the game that has cured me from D2-induced loot grind addiction.
>>719547145By the time 1.0 releases it'll just be poe1
>>719528581This game looked good so I downloaded the demo.The second I saw other players in the intro town I uninstalled.Why do all these devs think every game needs to be multiplayer?I want to play an action RPG, not an MMO. Stop ruining your worldbuilding by having assblaster69 doing donuts with his chocobo mount wearing a hawk tuah skin in your grimdark medieval fantasy land.
>>719547717Genuinely go get diagnosed with crippling autism
>>719547717Yeah I agree it destroys immersion but could be even worse, at least it's not a coomer game.
>>719544559I still miss being able to put Multistrike on Cyclone even though it was glitched beyond saving.
>>719547926>playing a game for immersion and story is autismWeird take. I just finished D4 and only ran into like 4 players until I finished the game and the endgame started spitting people at me. Overall it was a pleasant experience besides the story being nonsensical in the 3rd act.In PoE2 there were 5 randos in the starting town alone, which completely killed the vibe
>>719548203I'd prefer coomer elements. At least then I'd get something out of the experience besides a thinly veiled, number go up skinner box. I actually like tasteful coomer bits anyway, as much as I believe they're usually a crutch for poor writing. Romance in a story is an evocative impetus for actions. I liked the romance in BG3 even though it was a crass way to market the game as well as awkwardly implemented. BG3 has much bigger issues with balance and bugs than the coomer bits.
>>719548709My point was MTX costumes are often much much worse. BG3 had insufferable companions but there are ways around that as well.
My problem with the game is that there are many skills which just fucking suck ass. I changed to "meta" build and im actually having fun because I kill enemies without using mmorpg rotation on every mob
>OPs POV: shroud getting Stunlocked
>>719536454im only going to play poe2 after standard becomes permanent. replaying campaign from scratch every league restart is too much of a chore, i'll just twink up my new characters whenever i want to instead. missing out on new league content is irrelevant, since it goes core every time after 6 months (and in a much better state than on release)
>>719536724delve is coming next, it's teased in one of the islands in act 4
SURELY /v/ isn't worse than Asmongold at PoE 2... right?
>>719549720This webm encapsulates why I hate this genre
>>719549720What is going on here he's killing it by reflecting the lightning?
>>719550714Yeah its a thorns build
I hate the combo gameplay. It's shit.
I wanted to like the game, but even gameplay aside,the lore is a random mess, and the devs can't for their lives make good looking characters (even paid skins suck) and not take 2002 grimderp out of their minds
>>719536202>you're not supposed to solve the game in 3 monthsYou have literally 1 month before the league is dead and you are stuck in semi-SSF mode.That's just over 100 hours if you play it 4 hours every single day for a month straight, it's miserable if half of that is just an unfun slog were you are essentially going through checkboxes so that you can start actually playing the real game.
>>719550968Hey retard, we're talking about what games are supposed to be, not what they are. I literally just said in that post you quoted why that very style of game design is unrewarding. Fuckin little bitch.
>>719549720>no real emotion, everything is just actingIt's like watching an ad, there's no point in watching streamers like these.
>>719551318No that was completely genuine, its the exact moment his build "came online" and started functioning correctly, everyone who has played the game knows this moment, it's complete euphoria.
Does anyone have nude screenshots of the witch saved? They patched out the nipples in mtx shop bug
>>719536202>Older games were played for decades because it took people longer to find hidden thingsLol you don't actually believe this right?It's hard to imagine you're that much of a retard
>>719528581You can no longer roll throughThey didn't increas the loot they increased currencyThe respec cost was 10 times what it is nowThey didn't nerf the trials, and they need to remove them, they are absolute fucking dogshitThe stun leads to a 10 second stun, it acts like driving a car would and you can crash against walls and other playersThey are WILLINGLY making the game PoE1, when people are asking for what they promised and didn't even get close to offering
>>719533618ImpressiveYou are completely retarded, and you don't even know why
>>719551127Any game that takes more than a few hours to solve is complete garbage, don't waste my time with bullshit.
>>719534156The "community" is not "the community", is retarded autists that play poo1 in the year of our Lord 2025The actual "community" is asking for what they promised, a game that plays with good combat more similar to what you do in act 1 in your first playthrough
So, can anyone fill me in on Path of Exile? I tried playing it a little this weekend.It's early access, right? So not every class is available yet. Fine.And it's free to play if you "buy" the game once? Or you need to keep pumping money for expansions, battle passes or other stuff?
I kinda wish melee was better. Its too unsafe to just jump into the fray as a monk and stormwave just does good enough damage despite my melee dps saying it does double the amount of damag in comaprison to my ranged.flicker strike still just feels like an endgame skill that needs a build ready for it also. I might try some of their wind skills again but so far I am just doing the same shit as I did with the first patch only this time tempest flurry and tempest bell is nerfed.
>>719534287They are liars AND fucking uselessReminder that, several years ago, their answer to PoO1 suddenly running like shit in HDDs was>ehm... yeah but uhm... we don't know how to fix itHonorable mention to the interview from zizaran and Jonafat
>>719544380It's the most boring arpg
Played on Hardcore SFF in the free weekend.Never touched the game before and purposefully avoided information about it, since I learned it's going free eventually on release.Went Witch, with Corruption, Unearth and Essence Drain. Finished the Act 1 in just over 3 hours while listening to everything and full clearing every single map. Then stopped playing as I was incredibly bored. It just wasn't fun.
>>719528708this looks like shit
>game is meant to be combo oriented>camera zoomed the fuck in>every enemy aggros from off screen and runs at you before you can set anything upstupid moron devs
>Haven't played since launch and want to play Huntress>Get told Huntress is iredeemable dogshit and I should just play Deadeye to have fun>Huntress is 10x more fun
>>719528581I tried it for the free weekend and I don't see what all the fuss is about. PoE was a terrible, terrible Diablo 2 clone and this game feels like they're at least trying to make the genre refreshing instead of the tired min/max speed clearing trash mob gameplay.
>>719529704> 100x multiplayer
>>719528581How many times have we seen this exact same scenario play out with games?The loudest people are your established players that aren’t happy that the sequel has gone too far from the original game. Devs read this stuff non stop, because that’s all there is to read. They’ll implement all this stuff and we’ll be back at Diablo II in no time.
Why do they include other classes if they just want you to play deadeye?
>>719535560Why does the game have to be hard?
>>719552454Why does the game have to be easy?
>>719552518Because that's what the playerbase or the first game are used to.
I got filtered on day one when using the waypoints crashed my game.
Why are Indians so hellbent on defending PoE 2? What causes it?
>>719552404can you imagine the bitching from the PoE1 tards if there was only one archetype?
>>719528581>game is literally PoE1 with WASDThey won't be happy with that either PoE1 players hate the game that they play with a passion.
>>719551913>And it's free to play if you "buy" the game once?It going to be "free" to play when the early access is done.>Or you need to keep pumping money for expansions, battle passes or other stuff?It's basically mandatory to buy a few different stash tabs to store all your items that you get, the EA key for poe2 includes enough points that you can exchange for the most essential ones.My suggestion is download poe1 and get as far as you can, that way you can see if the endgame is something you like as more and more of it will be added to poe2, and you'll see what kind of tabs you need through personal experience before buying anything.
>>719552789I for one welcome our deadeye overlords.
>>719552989>abyssal lichthe what now?
>>719528581>game is literally PoE1 with WASDWould be way better then the shit they have now.
>>719533867D4 is a better story and combat is better with large mobs because moves are faster. Poe2 has great bosses.That’s really the differentiating criteria as far as gameplay goes. If you like boss fights: Exile 2. If you like story more: D4.
>>719529704PoE2 felt great untill Act 2. Where it felt fine. Then it became terrible in Act 3. The map sizes and unforgiveably retarded decisions in the side progression activities is what killed it for me. Oh and them hating melee characters.
>>719535664There definitely are skill checks If you play hc however, you do want to make sure your build can handle content. But in reality unless your build is that squishy or that zdps you can just kite things
>>719552989>Amazon went up 1%She won
I see that all the Souls tourists realized that vtubers without any hand-eye coordination routinely beat their shitty games, so now have to try and cope PoE2 into being the new """highly skilled""" game that only THEY truly understand.
>>719528581>game is literally PoE1 with WASDI think this was their end goal from the beginning. introduce something novel, experimental and original. poe fags complain it's not like poe. they slowly turn it into poe. everyone is still mad but plays it anyways.
>>719528581ARPG's are ment to be fast, not slow bullshit like this.
>>719535914Poe1 definitely has friction, 2 just has moreAlso this is poe2 pre powercreep, the hard content is the vanilla endgame since ubers don't exist
>>719536454The campaign needs more narrative intrigue. There’s no emotional hook so far from the story.
>>719536454Poe1 is significantly more built to be a game you farm shit inPoe2 wants to have constant thoughtful gameplay, and heavily gates your mobility behind playing a ranger or getting chase items
I’ve been playing Mercenary for so long that I can’t imagine the game working with a melee build.
>>719547598I was playing free beta yesterday, map boss kills me just before dying, loot drops, got respawned, loot suddenly gone. lmao
I'm having fun with it, but I'll be the first to admit that I'm not well enough experienced to understand the nuances between ARPG games
>>719553035Secret ascendency I believe sir
>>719535914>"""some""" friction>respec is so tedious, now starting from act 1 over and over to test anything that's the real shitAnon can you at least self-reflect for a second about having terminal autism and that most people have the opposite definitions of "fun" and "tedious"
>>719553374Your personal enjoyment is all that matters
>>719528581Just let me skip the campaign after i finish it forever. I don't want to play your shitty 6 acts or whatever over and over and over again.
>game is supposed to be slow and hard>download the free weekend>look up build and follow it>one shotting shit with one button like alwaysMeh, that was easy.
>>719554335This didn't happen
>>719554432Deadeye & lightning arrow exist.
>>719554594Yeh but its not 1 button tho
>>719532443They really were Diablo “Immortal” all along.
>>719554432using this guidehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ko1vi0ZM_C4Just go around one shotting shit.
>>719535641>I'd rather be stuck with a sub-optimal character than have the option to do this shit. respec is literally for cucks and zoomeYou can always pay a hooker to step on you if you're that much of a CBT enjoyer, you know.
>>719553236> There’s no emotional hookThe campaign is basically an extended tutorial that's supposed to be replayed every 3-4 months, You're not expected to engage with the story.
>>719555258But won’t it be like that in the final release?
>>719555563It will be exactly like that in the final release and then every major patch afterwards. It's a seasonal game, you're expected to replay everything every time an update comes out.
>doing just fine as warrior>get to the map before the act 2 boss>haha eat shit>haha you do no damage now and have to spend a year trying to chip down the bosswhy am I doing this to myself
Peak souls-like gameplay
>>719556832Whats wrong with this?
>>719556832I was told builds like this don't exist.
"arpgs" were perfected with Nioh 2
>>719557751>"arpgs" were perfected with Diablo 2Fixed it for you.
>>719557789That's more accurate but less funny
Daily reminder that DIablo IV and DIablo II wonned
>>719556832Looks kinda cool i guess?
>>719528581Devs listened. Gamers won. OP lost.
This game puts me to sleep.
>Play Witch>Causing elemental damage, raising a ton of minions, generally kicking Act 1's ass>Act 1 Boss>Get beat like a bitch who forgot her Pimp's money by Count Douchewolf>"Huh...weird. Maybe I missed a mechanic?">Try again, get hard stuck on the same bullshit blizzard tornado naruto running wolfshit>UninstallI thought I was playing a classic arpg with loot and tons of monsters to slaughter, but noooo apparently I got tricked into a fucking Souls-like arpg where slamming your face against a concrete wall for an hour is their idea of "fun". Fuck that. I'm going back to Diablo to have FUN.
>>719528581>Boss summons wall maze you have to get out of before he does 1shot inside of it>Most efficient and often only way to get out is to spam dodge roll like a retard as it's faster than walking but you just bump into walls while sprintingKek, meaningful gameplay right there
>can't spectre anything in act 4>spectre spirit costs are still all fucked up, worthless spectres costing 90+>there's like 5 good spectres in the entire gamewhy does jonathan hate minions so much
>>719528581There were very few people who actually thought the dark souls slow combat was a good shift. It was universally hated and it's not surprise that they backtracked on it immediately.They didn't just backtrack from feedback either. They backtracked because they lost 90% of their players in a month.
>>719558384Oh no how dare the game have a modicum of challenge.PoE1 is more up your alley if you wanna larp as a video game player.>I beat the campaign and I didn't die a single time! I'm le gawd gaymur!!
>>719558638>they lost 90% of their players in a month.Wtf are people supposed to do for a month in a early access game you mazed cocksucker
>>719558384>>719558738Sometimes weapons don't drop and you lack the damage. Doesn't mean it's hard it's just tedious. T.spent like 20 minutes on that fight.
>>719558738Not only did you NOT comprehend what I just said, you fucking mental midget, but you've misrepresented me entirely. I don't play games to claim I'm some "good gamer". I play games to HAVE FUN. The whole point of the hobby. The second it stops being fun, it becomes work.
>>719558885>you've misrepresented me entirelyI feel like this might be your first day in /poeg/, cause the disingenuous dickbags do this all the time.
>>719558885>"Fun" is when the game offers zero challenge.Again, maybe not playing video games and watching other people do it for you is more up your alley. https://www.twitch.tv
>>719559065Oh ok, you're just retarded. Opinions discarded.
>>719528581It's truly sad how much they've conceded on just to appease reddit babies, but it is what it is, they're not an indie studio anymore, they have to please the masses of retards instead of making an actual good game for people with triple digit IQs
>>719559065>Again, maybe not playing video games and watching other people do it for youThat's why poeg is obsessed with streamers makes sense
>>719558384dude i am shit at video games and i was able to beat the act 1 boss with mercenary. You're just a faggot bitch with skill issue
>>719559282>game for people with triple digit IQsMe pick the lightning skill and do triple the damage of all similar skills, me smart :))))))))
>See new enemy hit me with a debuff I haven't seen before>Mouse over tooltip>"HOLY FIRE: Don't use - Not implemented"Bravo GGG
>>719560794Half of the locations in Act 4 are taken from Poe 1
>>719559065play fighting games instead of arpgs, problem solved. If this arpg is hopping on the rollslop/korean mmo trend then it deserves to get trashed
>>719561279Only browns and troons play fighting games
>>719553150aint no one reading all that shit
>>719561774same, but for rollslop
Game was fun till the Mushroom Druid boss. How the fuck did they think a teleporting AoE one hit HP sponge was going to work against people that like melee? Is like they wanted you to play range classes any. Nice game faggots.
>>719534775>redditfrog
Time to watch this crater to under 120k when free weekend gets turned off
>>719557483We're supposed to pretend poe2 is a way better game than poe1 because this gameplay doesn't exist, while simultaneously doing our best to make the game play like that because it's more fun than the incoherent rollslop that the devs envision.
>>719541487BFR's legacy. Nothing is allowed to be good, you have to pick what's less bad.
>>719553150no one in the souls community gives a shit about your slot machine
>>719561236I just ran into Benedictus, he's somehow more Sirus at home than PoE1's literal Sirus clone and has some really baffling design that makes you wonder if anyone tested his fight.>Has a lot of Sirus's attacks, die beam, meteor maze, degen spam>Sirus's geysers are replaced by an attack that drops explosive rocks around the arena>Rocks can block the exits to the meteor maze>But it hardly matters because he doesn't teleport you into the maze, so just wait at the end when he starts channeling the move>Sure he hits you for being a coward, but it's less than the maze and the rocksSo many untested design decisions that somehow balance each other out
>>719553150"hardcore" gamers are emasculated frauds, more at 11
Is PoE 2 still annoyingly hard? I boughted the early access and played up to Act 2 but I got hard stuck at the first ascendancy trial
>>719562916not hard but not meant for repetitive play that arpgs demands
For retards, by retards.
>>719563001>repetitive play that arpgs demandsI do hate you intensely
This really was the only good a-rpg wasn't it? everything else has been a dogshit imitation that completely misses the point of this game. PoE1 turned into screen clearing retardation with zero skill or difficulty involved.
>>719563073yes I play on hardcore solo self-foundyes I like to hunt for items to help me surviveno it's not negotiableif you don't like ARPGs and want to break the diablo formula then fuck off
>>719563182arpgs never took skill, that's the point. It's a permadeath griefing sim where you spam the same instance for loot.
>>719556832>Arpg being arpgIf I wanted to play Dark SoulsGuess what
>>719563472You'd go play Lies of P?
>>719563472>If I wanted to play Dark SoulsThere's like 500 soulsclones
>make warrior slow moving>"tanky">get hit a billion times while trying to do any of your attacksdrink your potion like a good boy fucking stupid ass game
>Mana siphon >Can't restore health in the presenceWhat an outstanding game design!
Are you supposed to progress when you beat a zone? Or does the game want you to re-roll the zone and go through them again for new item drops and leveling?
>>719563245>break the diablo formulaWhy should any game be arbitrarily constricted by some weird formula?
>>719558638You're meant to accomplish whatever you choose to do for a season and dipMost people that are in to poe level a character and do some mapping, but not every piece of pinnacle contentLess people do the pinnacle content and quitEven less do league challenges
>you can still get 15k+ ES while life builds don't have nodes on their passive tree and need to invest into restoration effects to sustain and aren't immune to chaos damageLmao
>>719564279Usually yesYou only farm a zone if you are playing hc and your character cannot safely progress without better gear
My monk has been using the same gloves since act 2. If gear crafting was a thing and I got the resources to actually craft something, then maybe I would have a decent upgrade each act.also the new mermaid boss sucked to fight.
Lmao here's your meaningful combat bro
>>719564647Balanced as all things should be
>>719564279Often yes. You only farm a zone if you find yourself struggling a lot on the next one/a boss/etc.
How do people hyper level a class so fast? I'm playing for the first time and I'm level 18 in 12 hours of gameplay and just reached Act 2. Is fast leveling just something you unlock after reaching level cap with a character once?
>>719564647ALLCLASSESBUFFED!
>>719564647>chayula at 0%if only his nodes did something for more than 2 seconds.
>>719528581>1.0 comes out>game is literally PoE1 with WASDOne can only hope. Still pissed off they didn't do the original promise of them both being the same game but with different campaigns with merged endgames.
>>719564647>Top 1000Pretty skewed given that it's tradecore, softcore, AND this is only 2 days in.
>>719564772They just know what to skip, what not to skip and how general layouts look, and kind of gear to prioritizePrioritizing movement speed boots especially go a long way too. The only way to level exceptionally fast is to get leveling specific uniques and rares crafted
>>719564647>poe1 died for this grim
>>719564772>How do people hyper level a class so fast?Partly the build, partly knowing what to do and where to go.
>>719564985Even as a very casual play for fun type of player my campaign clears have gotten significantly faster the more characters I've leveled.
>>719564772Maybe stop posting every 2 mob packs and you'll be faster idk
>>719564772I take my time and I still reach act 2 in 3h. I can't see how it takes you 12h.
>>719564408League challenges & Kirac vaults are some of the strangest things in PoE for me, they clearly exist to try and get people to play longer but only are achievable for the people who already reach endgame regularly & are going to play for a month anyways. To get any of the rewards besides just the boots you have to reach maps, so you are already at like 10% of players? Then some of the challenges are for the endgame bosses which leaves what 5% of the player base? Then you have the challenges that are tied to a league mechanic that you may or may not like or be using a build that is good for it, so now we at at an even smaller %.The "Reach level 80" Challenge they did for the meme PoE1 league probably got more people to continue playing then any of the actual real League Challenges they normally do. Kirac Vault actually seems designed to make as little money as possible, considering how much of the player base only plays the campaign & maybe white maps then fucks off.
>>719528581Test
>>719558384if you think thats bad the next boss right after that ne in the desert is far worse
>>719565257The challenges used to be a lot easier and manageable for casuals who play for a while.In recent years though, they've been heaping on more and more absolute SHIT challenges that explicitly require you to be in the endgame.Hell, the current League's challenges in PoE1, I don't even think you can hit 12 without being in Red maps.
>>719528581The combat is actually good. I don't know shit about late game. But the mobs make you adapt and strategie.
>>719552210This. Maybe it's a good game, I don't know, but all the screenshot I've seen on /v/ look like absolute ass.
>>719558384Geonor in particular is actually a very well-designed boss fight where all his attacks have clear visual tells.. except for the ice storm.. which does have a reliable trick to it.He always dashes from a certain angle relative to how you're moving and does so on a fixed timer, so you can always dodge roll out of the way once you figure it out.
>>719565615>I don't know shit about late gameDon't worry about late game it's mostly just to fund the campaign
>>719565615>make you adapt and strategie.Yeah, that's exactly why some are so fucking assmad. They don't want any kind of challenge. They want to walk around and click loot.
I fucking loathe live service "communities" for PVE games. Passionately. Vehemently. Literally any attempt to make your game interesting, something that appeals to you, the developer through difficulty is met with infinite bitching and moaning from the male equivalent of a karen who is absolutely insistent that The Gamer Is Always Right (You should leave everything that's broken as shit in the game and nerf anything that asks me to change literally anything about how I play because if I'm ever impeded from easy farming thats Bad Game Design)This is the ultimate failing of live service games. Stopkillinggames has demonstrated that stopping shutdowns is possible- there's absolutely nothing you can do to stop people who think they can rant any possible edge out of a game if they whine loudly enough. Fucking insufferable.
boy I fucked up by picking smith of kitava>oh cast fire spell that's cool>the point you unlock the spell you can't actually equip any fire spells>have to dump all your stat nodes into int if you want to ever actually use it>completely counter intuitive to your warrior class
>>719565464Ya it is obnoxious in poe1 that many standard pinnacle bosses account for zero challenges, and it's mainly just mega grinding specific mechanics that most people don't touch unless they want to specialize in farming it like heist
>>719564647seems like deadeye should just be removed outright until they figure out why it's so massively overpicked
>>719565949>I fucking loathe live service "communities"GGG could have partially prevented this by banning all streamers from streaming their game early in PoeE 1
>>719565949TRVVVKKKEEEEE
>>719528581>game is literally PoE1 with WASDWow I am sold!
this bog witch fight is the most faggot fucking thing I've ever seen in my life
>>719566380She's dabbing on you, isn't she?
>>719565956it's a meme node until we get str/int spells with druid and templar but I doubt it will be great even then
Any good chayula builds?
>>719564647>Top 1,000
What the hell was that act 4 boss>Phase 1Just ToTA Kaom's moveset from PoE1 with some full screen slam attack that will kill you if you're close since it's longer range than your dodge>Phase 2 Just Beast Kaom's moveset, but he fills the screen with can't see shit beams that block sight of what move he's doing>Phase 3I have no idea what he does, he turned massive, turned 80% of the screen into degen zones, then stood still and channeled for 30 seconds as I killed him with no attacks coming my way
>>719566717yea, the swap to invoker build
>>719565949rollslop isn't interesting, shut the fuck up. You'll end up leaving anyway because the game got "too boring" when everyone who actually likes arpgs and play the game longer than you has to be stuck with this garbage
>>719567137The invoker unarmed one?
>>719528581I don't usually get swayed by posts on /v/ but after laying it out so obviously like this, is it now evident that gaming audiences are just completely casual babies who want everything handed to them?What made them this way? Why are you gaming audiences so bad now?
>>719567590i'm sorry but the most basic fucking form of rollslop is still a more interesting and engaging game than the brainless """"build centric""" autoclicker farm em up you want literally every pve game ever made to be
>>719567678invoke whatever you want baby, anything is better than chayula
>>719564647Is Mercenary still that bad? I felt like I was playing on hardmode on early access launch and haven't played since but I want to start again
>>719532443Hit the hammer on the nail
>Finish act 4>Finish intervallos>Uninstall game because ending is still absolute trash.This is what everyone should be doing btw
I havent played in eight months and i only did a minion witch so fardid they fucking cut all the bosses HP literally in half or something
>>719552571This.
>>719567071Yeah, this was probably the worst end act fight so far, just absolute garbage.Rest of act4 was gorgeous however
>>719568017>finish act 1>uninstallway ahead of you
>step on green shit>dieAAAAAACKK
>>719567859rollslop is for women and there's no skill in poking something and then rolling around 90% of the time, sorry. If you hate arpgs then just say so instead of trying to ruin it for everyone
>>719528581Just here to say that I made my own build again and its killing everything just fine. Pinning is insane, went tactician and Im pinning everything and bleeding them to death. Works on bosses too. Also the new artillery ballista is OP with all these pin buffs
>>719568148>devs say they're going to support POE1 if you want a more traditional ARPG experience>no actually the non-traditional one has to be a brainless farming simulator tooas fucking if there's more skill in running some shitty build that nukes everything on the screen than having actual mechanics in your fight. next you'll tell me that warframe involves skill
>>719563182There was Nox as well
>>719532443i just did a 15 hit combo to a white mob and only did half of its health brosI HAVE BEEN VISIONED
>>719567770go ask soulsfags why they want that one-and-done shit in every game. You don't see them doing multiple runs and just beat it once, post in social media about it for gamer cred, then fuck off to the next fotm
>>719564279Only certain areas like the mausoleum of the praetor to repeatedly farm the treasure room to yellow your entire equipment set before fighting Lachlann
>>719568284there's no skill in arpgs period so why are you trying to "add" skill and ruin a genre by implementing a soulslike/lost ark design which also takes no skill?
>>719528581I'm torn. It PoEII was terrible, but walking back so many of their decisions shows a lack of vision and confidence. They're flailing without clear direction, as so many people said they would.
>>719568416Why the absolute fuck would you do this?
>>719528581god 4chaners opinion about poe2 is such shit. okey, you guys really think that you original, huh? but a reminder, everyone on reddit was happy to see the vision come(making gameplay slower, more meaningful) you know why this everyone changed they mind over time? because ggg were making over and over and over and over and over again the same fucking mistake for, i don't know how long already, and poe2 is no difference here, it was a fucking prophecy.
>>719568498>feet aren't in camerafake
I hope this is the year poe1 players get all the shit they rightfully deserve for devoting themselves to some of the worst gameplay of all time for 10+ years
>>719568579It's no different than running NM Andy until you get good uniques and sets to carry you through to Hell BaalIs everyone on this website now underaged or something and forgot how D2 worked?
>>719568683Having children is meaningful. Clicking on monsters is not, no matter how tedious you make it.
>>719567879>anything is better than chayulaIt was alright last patch before they changed flicker strike. Now I'm struggling on picking a build.
>>719528581>1.0 comes out>game is literally PoE1 with WASDSo it's now a significantly better game?
>>719568727We are getting async trading which is what we have wanted for 10 years, poe1 does not give a shit about poe2.>>719568579It was an actually viable strat... on launch at least, there were some op as fuck vendors in act 3 that you could just farm, then they nerfed all of them lmao.Not worth doing unless you are ssfhc
>>719568756you can defeat hell baal with a random assortment of whatetever magics, rares, and countess runes you picked up along the way
>>719568773the solution to this if you feel this way is to stop playing games, not to make the game braindead so it goes by faster
>>719568498maybe its because all arpgs are fucking dogshit loathed by everyone except losers like yourself for that exact reason, and people are glad someone is trying (not succeeding) to make an actually good game in the genre?
>>719568773Having your life taken away from you until the day you rot is not meaningful, you wouldn't be coping about people having fun with video games if that was the case, fox and grapes
>>719568892You agree that you also farm hell countess over and over again until double spirits carry your pally through the entire game?
>>719568773What the fuck does having children have anything to do with video games? You realize this is /v/ right? Take your unrelated off topic bullshit to /pol/ or something
>>719568927The gameplay is still braindead. The challenge in ARPG's is the build. The grind is to actualize the build and see how it works. But that's not very fun when you can't actually use 99% of the possible builds, which is why I did stop playing this sloppa a decade ago.
>>719569183>>719569032stinky incels, lol
>>719569210warframe is a game where you have a shitload of viable builds and that's probably the worst action game i've ever played so
>>719569276You're a fucking moron. Answer the fucking question. What the fuck does having children have to do with video games? Why bring in unrelated shit? You automatically lose for being off topic.
act 4 benedictus fight is total ass. it's pure rng garbage. sometimes he just does nothing, other times he will spam his massive aoe crap all over the arena over and over until you die.
>>719568930no one cares what a woman thinks though? that's why they don't play arpgs, fighting games, rts, or literally any 1v1 game
>>719568773>pedo immediately starts taking about children
>why yes I do play HCSSF>run every area entirely checking every little corner of the map until not even a single spec of blue is left>pick up everything and sell it or use it liberally >gamble with the money and farm some easy bosses like executioner to get rares and even uniques>end up like 4 levels over what the map level is supposed to be>fucked geonor up so hard that he almost didn't even go into spoopy mist as he only had a sliver of HP left when he started doing it>the second he finished that move he died>in the middle of act 2 still doing the same thing now still haven't even come close to dying yet lol lmao I play HCSSF
>>719569520>any mention of raising children is pedophilic in natureYou need to examine yourself before you judge others, buddy.
>>719569276back to the cage loser or continue seething both are amazing to me.
>>719569958Answer the fucking question >>719569407
so this game DOES have classes, but all of the active skills are attached to those gems that drop, right? how does that work? like, I see sorc is fire/lightning/ice like d2. what if none of the gems for those abilities drop for you? are you just fucked?
>>719569892why even play hcssf at that point?
>>719570059I'm not the anon who mentioned children, but it's fucking obvious it's not a pedophile sentimentThe other anon was talking about the game being meaningful, so he said "no, that's not meaningful, family is meaningful"essentially4chan is full of pedos and it pisses me off too, but jumping at shadows and lumping every benign mention of children into the pedo category is ridiculous
>>719569892shitters like you all get filtered by balbala have fun faggot
>>719570345No, you get uncut skill gems of various levels, which are 'cut' into the actual skills you want. Every skill exists within a tier, so a level 9 skill gems can upgrade anything to level 9, or unlock skills present in tier 9.
I can't imagine playing PoE2
>>719570421What's the point of bringing up unrelated offtopic shit?
>>719570421It's literally just burn outs projecting, anon. These things aren't even sentient anymore.
>>719570453>>719570381I killed her on my first try and she only used her poison once. And before you say it I also beat Jamanra on my first try and now I'm 5 levels almost 6 over the valley of the giants area.
>>719528581>Like poe1>Like poe2am i the weird one?
>>719551960No, that would be poe 1 and 2.
>>719570796anon they're like polar opposites how?
>Oh cool, an Abyssal Depths in Act 3, let's see how these have been changed>Hot damn, this is gre->Reach the end and get nearly vaporized by a triple-duped Rare>Okay, whatever, I'll just respawn at the check-point and face a less miserable Ra->Kicks me out of the Depths and closes the holeThis fucking game, man.
>>719571002Skill issue.
>>719570453at what point will you realize the game was made to be farmed and nothing is intended to be hard? arpgs arent meant for tiktoks and youtube clips of you beating bosses
>mfw Diablo 3 is still the best modern ARPGSEASON 36 LETS FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>played the free weekend to 60>minion build so encountered many bugs clearly the play testers never played with minionsI don't like how slow you are versus the enemy if you have to use more than 1-2 buttons to do damage you will have very little time in between dodges to dps which is probably what is annoying most people
>>719571247>the play testersYou ARE the play tester, Anon.That's not a joke. Their beta testers (the ones paid to play) only play with god-tier gear they spawned.And they don't even test everything cause "the community will do it lol."
>>719570907they're both fun...
>>719570525>What's the point of bringing up unrelated offtopic shit?It was irrelevant yes, but it's still weird to jump to pedophilia accusations
>>719571470That's not me. I'm the one who asked the initial question which he still hasn't answered>>719569183
>>719571705And the thread ends with the question unanswered.
>>719571206Is it still alive? Holy shit I might have to redownload
