Ten years ago one of the most hyped up games on /v/ was released. Years of theorizing, memes, and discussion all culminating in this title. Now that the dust has finally settled, did you rike it?For me, the core gameplay still remains fantastic even despite the lackluster open world, repetitive missions and lack of boss fights. The controls and mechanics are some of the best in the genre and the amazing Fox Engine visuals are still great. As for the story, I have long since come to terms with the plot twist. Yes, I was one of many who wanted to play as an evil Big Boss who wrecked shit without a care in the world but in true Kojima fashion, he gave us something even better. The story of a man who manipulated, brainwashed and took advantage of the loyalty of one of his followers much like what happened to himself. That is way more twisted and subtle than any comic book villainy we wanted Big Boss to do. Otherwise MGSV would have been another fan service filled schlock like MGS4 was.
>>719538534mgsv just needed to be follow peacewalker's overall structure and have several maps of ground zero's quality. no huge open worlds. motherbase was pointless since most of the features were scrapped that would give exploring it on foot purpose, it could have just been added later on when it was ready. kojima is an idiot
>>719538534I replay it every other year, its FUNI hope that the modding scene eventually figures out how to do custom stages properlyThere's also room for improvement in custom side ops, some of them are really fucky with everything suddenly spawning in as you get close to it, as opposed to it being spawned in when the map loads>What's happening in this side ops?>Nothing?>Suddenly everything loads on top of me>I am dead
>>719538534fuck konami. such a shame they didn't let kojima finish the fucking game.
>>719538534Probably my most played MGS and still playing it. The game is great but chapter 2's pacing is horrible. You get send back to mother base for a storybeat way too much. This is what induced the "unfinished" meme I think. Except for that it's a near perfect game. It could have been improved on somewhat but mods fill that gap. There's just nothing quite like it. 10 years and no other game has even come close to TPP.>>719538690>custom stagesWhat do you mean? Missions? There are already some out there.
We didn't know how good we had it. Fox Engine was peak, and PS4 is the peak of gaming's popularity and it's been downhill since. All that talk around 2014 of "gamers are over" was based on the idea that NEW younger players would come in and replace the angry old male gamers, but it didn't happen. The kids play Fortnite and Roblox instead. The AAA bubble burst and studios are realizing that no one wants to buy their mega-projects anymore (AAA single player games are like 6% of all gaming now). It won't result in better games, just not making any at all. The future is roblox shit.Fox Engine was peak. MGSV was peak if messy and unfinished.
>>719538534Shut up caramel
>1991: Sonic the Hedgehog>2001: Sonic Adventure 2>2015: MGSV>2025: Death Stranding 2It doesn't feel that big of a jump holy shit. 10 years came and went and nothing happened. Diminishing returns. Death Stranding 1-2 at least look good and has a nice engine. Most games are just ugly Unreal tripe now.
>>719538820I got an Outer Heaven shirt. Interested in this one too but I prefer the early cartoony version but no one makes it.
>>719538820Custom MAPSThere's shit like importing maps from other modes or GZ, and a few completely custom ones, but there's issues with scripting and AIhttps://www.nexusmods.com/metalgearsolidvtpp/mods/2188There's also no category for it on Nexus
>>719538534Reminder Hideous Kojima wasted 80 million of Sony's money on two walking Simulators that no one asked for?
The game was horribly hampered by requirements to run on the PS3/360. It's completely batshit that they even got it to work, but it's also insane they asked for it. That's the reason the game has so few guards and enemies on screen at a time.
>>719538908This was a major turning point in gaming.If we had a finished MGSV, FFVersus, KH3, an actual fucking sequel to Rising, a proper Bayonetta 2, Scalebound, a proper Shenmue 3, etc. then we would be in a very different world right now.
im literally venom snake
>>719539184PT did in fact look like it was gonna revive Silent Hill as well. I don't know what the story or name would be, but it's likely be called Silent Hills, maybe some kind of initials for PT. Capcom saw the interest and made RE7 which then was super popular. I know Silent Hills would ahve been pretty grand. A first person Silent Hill? It works.
>>719538534Man, MGS Delta' facial animations are like two generations behind MGS5 which they pulled off on the ps3.
>>719538756>unfinishedkojima himself said the game was finished and a complete story
>>719538534I liked it a lot. I wish it wasn't an open world game. I wish the story was finished, more fleshed out, more of the more interesting stuff happened on screen instead of in cassette tapes. I actually love Venom Snake, great concept there. Wish it was explored a little more.Still one of the best games, probably the best actual game in the series, my second favorite.
>>719539340Aren't they literally copying the animations from the original?
Did a hundred hour playthrough of it a couple months ago. Was thoroughly fun and entertaining. Please proceed to seethe and dilate about this basic reality of my experience.
>>719539348retarded cuck, he would never say anything bad about his previous workplace which is smart cause he doesn't want to burn bridges
>>719539348Japanese always spin and tell half-truths. The game starts strong but then has a lot of weird padding and peters out. We have the on disc unused content for a chapter 3.
>>7195385343/5the trailers were way better than the final game
>>719539429ok keep believing your headcannon
>>719539419Yeah, they could've just upgraded that one aspect at least.
It ages like fine wine, better every year10 years from now we will find out even more reasons to like it
>>719539517you have an IQ below 75 and believe everything you read on the internet
>>719538534they should put it on sale for $5 again
>>719539324Good point.>>719539348Do you seriously think they planned to have a two chapter game? The point of using the word chapter is that there are more than two parts, or halves.
>>719539348I don't believe him
>>719539691If MGSV is unfinished for having cut content then MGS2 is also unfinished
>>719538820>This is what induced the "unfinished" meme I thinkWhat? No, it's because it's LITERALLY unfinished with Eli/Liquid's plotline left completely dangling. They had a whole final mission and chapter planned around it.
is this game really that good? I enjoyed it 10 years ago but it felt lacking in alot of ways. It runs well at 60fps on console but also the maps feel empty and don't reflect what ground zeroes presented alot of the time. It also feels like it lacked proper boss fights compared to other metal gear games, they felt more like set pieces. I should probably replay it
>>719539691as you shouldn't, only braindead zoomer cattle who can never use their brain once will believe him, if you look at the second half of the game and think this shit was intentional you're seriously dumb as fucking shit
>>719539851two masterpieces, misunderstood at the time of their launch...
>>719539851I don't think the cut content is the reason it's unfinished, I think the entire plot and structure of the game is evidence that it was unfinished and in need of refinement.
>>719539671I think the belief it wasn't finished comes from the somber endings that leave you wanting more>>719539606probably got your opinion from a youtuber
it doesn't matter if a game is actually unfinished or not, most games have a shitload of cut content that didn't make it into the game. When I played MGS2 I never felt like something was missing until someone told me otherwise.
>>719539929This article helps clear things uphttps://thesnakesoup.org/editorial-articles/phantom-pain-unfinished/
>>719539975>I think the belief it wasn't finished comes from the somber endings that leave you wanting morein a game about looking for some satisfaction that will never truly come, called phantom pain btwcrazy how people don't get it
>>719539975No zoom zoom, unlike you I can form my own opinion
>>719540062>iq, retard , cuck, zoomsure
>>719538534I'm not reading all that.
>>719540247Boring one sentence OPs are always gay
>>719539898It is for people who just want to fuck around with all the options you have. Pick a mission or area, pick a random weapon or item, and try to get through it. The possibilities are pretty much endless.
>>719538908I think in terms of multiplat AAA games, MGSV was one of the very last AAA games that completely appealed to me. Wasn't live service shit and actually was a fun traditional, singleplayer experience.
>>719539865No anon they had a DLC planned for it, taking place on a separate island in the style of GZ, but Konami got uppity and cut Kojimbles before they could get around to it. The base game was finished as indented, no matter how much you caps lock at it. Plenty of interviews with devs say just that. It's been 10 years, you can let go of the meme.>>719539049There are some, about 3. Forsaken something, but it has no real content. Another one that I can't remember and someone imported the GZ map with added side-ops too. TPP should have supported a third party side-op creator really. It would have been amazing to see way more custom side-ops that you could get in-game without downloading mods. >>719539015I got some custom made ones but there's not all that much official merch
>>719538534I thought MGS2 bossfights were honestly much worse than MGSV. People just kind of forget how bad they are because the final one is great.
>>719540442I think Harrier fight is the only good one. My god, Fortune Fight is really bad since it's a fakeout too. Why not give you an actual fight against her?The MGS boss fights were much more interesting.
Honestly as far as cut or unrealized concepts goes, I really wish they put Punished Chico in. An older traumatized chico would have been cool, especially as a boss fight
>>719540442All of MGS2's fights except for fortune were good, why did you think they were bad?
>>719540584Kojima said that he would be based on the Christopher Walken character from Deer Hunter and have an obsession with killing. Ultimately he thought that Chico did not fit the structure of MGSV,so he killed him for good.
I just manually realized that Quiet will probably be a boss in the Metal Gear remake. She might take the place of Machine Gun Kid or something. It would fit perfectly for Venom's compatriots to be the ones that Solid fights as bosses. And it would fit that it's Venom Snake that dies at the hands of Solid in Metal Gear, while Big Boss is setup in Zanzibarland.
>>719540890Quite is dead my guy.
Wasn’t the main twist the most obvious theory prior to game’s release, making it not much a twist?
>>719538534Yes and no. I don't know. There's no other game I have such conflicting feelings about. I sunk over 100 hours into it and enjoyed it thoroughly. And yet, at the same time I can't help but feel disappointed and critical about it. Because it could have been so much better. It's hard not to get frustrated about the missed potential. The gameplay is phenomenal, but the level and mission design leaves a lot to be desired. The story has flashes of brilliance, but then also some really fucking stupid shit, and not stupid-but-fun like previous MGS games, but just flat out stupid. And of course the story is blatantly unfinished, and within the context of the series as a whole is even more disappointing. But still, all that said, I have mostly positive memories of playing the game, and will probably play it again. It's just...man, the great aspects of it really make the flaws stand out even more, because if the quality was consistent it could have been SO good. It doesn't feel like the epic climax to the series that was promised; it feels more like a new beginning, something that was laying the groundwork for something really great that just needed to be refined a bit more. But that never came, and never will. And that sucks. And so much as I do enjoy it, it will always be a very bittersweet enjoyment.
>Le open world map is.... LE EMPTY!Legitimately WHAT do you faggots expect? A fucking subplot triggered with every single step? I genuinely do not understand this critique. Go out into the fucking countryside you dumb little nigger, it's pretty much mostly "empty space"
>>719541446well, that's the thing, it just shouldn't have been open world period. it should have been hub based with several areas the scope of Ground Zeroes, which was better designed than anything in TPP.
>>719541551What a disgusting, trashy little take, lmao.
>>719541551That GZ is better than rest of V displays this pretty well.
>>719541551>>719541659Samenigger
>>719541446empty open worlds are the bestyou just have an immersive space to traverse freely between the locations. I hate open worlds filled with shit to do for the sake of keeping the player busy.
Expectation:>Fight against Zero and his Patriots who basically control the entire world>Build Outer Heaven>Final boss is Solid SnakeReality:>You just go around saving starving African children and that's it
>>719538534It was the last physical game i bought and for the last console i owned (ps3). Moved to steam afterwards but i slowly lost interest in games. Nowadays i don't play games that much, i rather draw
>>719541446>Legitimately WHAT do you faggots expect?Random encounters Open conflict betweem factions like in mgs4Stuff to find beyond materials, containers snd blueprints
>>719541587it's the truth.
>>719541108I'm not reading all that either.
>>719540442Those are the best fights in the series and some of the best bosses ever, especially on harder difficulty. What are you smoking?
>>719538534I mean, it completely failed on it's potential as a real Big Boss war crimes simulator and completing the timeline circle of the whole metal gear series.BUT my minimum expectations were basically "HD Peace Walker" which I got, albeit unfinished.Given I love PW and it's my favourite metal gear, I was overall slightly disappointed but still had a good time and playthrough.TL;DR 8/10
>>719538534I'M NUCLEAR
>>719538534Game was shit, the most fun thing about it was the theorycrafting. Red Band Trailer threads were peak
>>719544729THE Best vidjer gaem trailer of all time -https://youtu.be/UMyoCr2MnpM?si=J-P9xNA8EP-JMIzO>you feel it too, don't you?
>>719542609OK. I didn't write it for you.
>>719538662They cut Mother Base back when they realized the main team wouldn't be around to support the related network features and KJPLA would be stuck with both the FOB and Mother Base systems as well as MGO3.
>>719547275Cut the Battle Gear because they couldn't get it to work properly too, now its just vestigial cutscenes and a +1 for combat missions
>>719543117Big Boss killing kids would never be as good as this
>>719543117Big Boss never committed war crimes. It's all Patriots propaganda. Everyone in Zanzibar was chilling with their socks off and kids were running around playing happily. Naomi and Sniper Wolf has nothing but nice things to say about Big Boss as their benefactor. Even on Venom's side, Miller made it a point to disarm, give proper care and education to the kids they save even though he hates kids.
>tfw no young recruitable Bin Laden in the game>rfw no comfy gaming sessions in Mother Base with your Bin Laden broFeels bad man
>>719548521Would be too kino for the Jews to handle anon
>>719538534It is a very fun to play game, but it also has a fucking dogshit story
>>719538534The gameplay? Best Metal Gear by far.The story? Unfinished garbage that made no sense and destroyed the whole atmosphere of the game in one twist ending scene. All to explain a single barely interesting plothole in the original NES game.
For posterity, and at the risk of being Caramel'd to Hell. I think Physint is literally MGS6 and Kojima is working with Konami one last time as a contractor to tie up the last loose ends in the series.For one thing, I just can't see Kojima going back to the genre without going back to the series. There's too much red tape he can't cross without risking getting too close to the original and risking an IP lawsuit. And I know for sure, Kojima can't resist little nods and Easter eggs at all.Then there's the whole matter of both Kojima and Konami suddenly breaking from the longstanding trend of never mentioning the other at all. Konami went on record with the sentiment "We'd love to work with Kojima-san again." and Kojima has been talking a lot more about Metal Gear related topics where he used to avoid it as much as possible. He even put some of the most blatant references to Metal Gear possible into Death Stranding 2.And most importantly. He already did the fucking Joakim Mogren bit all over again, the one where he pretended to be caught off guard by a question in a scripted interview in an edited video.Physint is Metal Gear, and I've been trying to get other people to realize it for over a year now.
>>719548758>to tie up the last loose ends in the seriesThere haven't been any since MGS4
>>719548936Everything that happened with Sahelanthropus is still a blank. Nothing between MGSV and the formation of FOXHOUND, Big Boss's false face-turn and Liquid's entire adult life have been covered by the series. There's still that same missing link. How does the series come back around to MG1?
>>719549129Those a new missing links that Kojima created in his game that was supposed to be the missing link and if he makes another game he will create more missing links.People just figured after PW he just naturally became more and more war obsessed and it didn't need any body double bullshit to explain it.
>>719538534>did you rike it?MGSV (GZ+TPP) is the greatest game of the 21st century. The synthesis of narrative and gameplay has not been topped yet. I was not disappointed on release because I am not an armchair director and understand that I do not have control over the story being told, and thus can keep my narrative expectations and predictions in check. Chapter 1 is a complete arc mirroring the plot of other MGS games, culminating in a boss fight with the metal gear and the antagonist. Chapter 2 is the epilogue establishing connections between MGSV and the games further in the chronology. "Chapter 3" is unnecessary to the narrative for those who can intuit what happens to Eli. A masterpiece of ludonarrative conviction and implementation.
Meh, it was better than PW and MG1 at least
Even Hayter admitted that it was kino
>>719548758I don't even want Kojima making MGS anymore, 3 was the last good one and DS takes the globohomo propaganda in his games to an unbearable level
I enjoyed it but the mission repetition was tiring. Stopped playing after the kid faggot leave with the metal gear and other kids and I read that Quiet gonna leave you somewhere around there too , not wanting to lose my mission cheesing method I just stopped playing even if I read you can get her back.
>>719541108I feel the same way. MGSV is the modern VtMB: a flawed masterpiece.
>>719538534It's a mid MGS game, which is still a pretty good game for the wider gaming standards but disappointing for the series.Also the fact that it had the BEST videogame trailer ever made didn't help tamper the expectations.
>>719549409Kojima has said that his biggest and only regret in regards to the Metal Gear series is not having made better use of Liquid Snake as a character. We still know nothing about Liquid's career with FOXHOUND, how he got there after stealing Sahelanthropus, how Big Boss got back into the good graces of The Patriots for FOXHOUND to exist in the first place, and for him to be able to train his own clones. As it stands, Big Boss is a pariah from the end of MGS3 all the way to the end of MGSV, with no opportunity for him to even deceive The Patriots while he's secretly building Zanzibar Land.Especially with Venom operating Outer Heaven that whole time, and the entire world believing He's Big Boss. We know the Parasites put Miller back in good health, but as of the end of MGSV, he knows he's working with a fake Big Boss, and he wants to take revenge on the real one. And we know Kaz was involved in Solid Snake's training. So, was Venom the one who trained Solid Snake and founded FOXHOUND? Was the ending of MGS4 the only time Solid Snake met the real Big Boss in person?
>>719549945Its amazing how much Quiet trivialises the gameDD is similarly busted, but he doesn't instantly clutch for you when you fuck up
>>719550072>Was the ending of MGS4 the only time Solid Snake met the real Big Boss in person?No, that happened in MG2, Snek makes a flame thrower out of body spray and a lighterIts why in MGS4 the "Body of Big Boss" that was actually Solidus was a crispy fritter
https://youtu.be/XMuxpHCEYcI >YOU WILL DISARM ALL THE NUKES>YOU WILL GET CHAPTER 3: PEACEdamn, if that was real it would've been THE BEST KINOEST GAME FUCKEST ever made and Kojimbo would not be making shitlib walking sims anymore.
>>719538534Little did we know in all our hype that the trailer contained basically all dialogue there is
Damn, it feels like it was yesterday. I still have some memes from all the hype threads saved on my PC.As for the game itself, gameplay and presentation wise, MGSV was amazing. Fox Engine was fucking crazy, not just in looks but also in how well optimized it was for the time.The story was bittersweet, more bitter than sweet. And like many have already said a billion times, the latter half of the game does feel a bit odd, almost rushed.Between the launch of MGS:R in 2013 and Phantom Pain in 2015, it really was the golden age of Metal Gear here on /v/.
i dropped out of college to play mgsv
>>719550334They didn't exactly have a conversation at the end of MG2. The actual Big Boss was a full-body burn victim/coma patient in the nanomachine sous vide bag from the end of MG2 to somewhere in the middle of MGS4, where they grafted Solidus's skin onto him so he could actually survive outside of said sous vide bag.It's still the real Big Boss. It's just weird that the only way to make the timeline work is to accept that Solid Snake only ever really met Big Boss once, right at the end of both of their lives.
>>719548758>>719549445>>719550072>>719550438I'm not reading all this either.
>>719550438Metal Gear Rising 2 might well be on the way, finally. Konami brought Platinum on board just to make the 30 minute Guy Savage Easter Egg in the MGS3 remake. You have to imagine they wouldn't go out of their way just for that, right?
>STAFF MEMBER HAS DIED>STAFF MEMBER HAS DIED>STAFF MEMBER HAS DIED>STAFF MEMBER HAS DIED>STAFF MEMBER HAS DIED
>>719538534ground zeroes is the better mgsv game.
It's a good game until you get to the part where you have to repeat the game for no reason and realise this is where development stopped
>>719551282the repeats are optional
>>719538662>knows konami scales back kojima games out of pure greed and contempt for gamers>still calls kojima an idiot
>>719551282So, it's a good game until you beat the boss bad guy and metal gear, which is essentially the full story of all previous MGS games? Chapter 2 is bonus content.
It still makes me sad that we'll never have the intended MGSV experience.
>>719551735Kojima literally said it is the same he wanted to make
>>719550784We live in a world where, somehow, burning someone to death does not count as "meeting them"
>>719551282Peace Walker was full of repeats that didn't even have the dignity to admit they were repeats. Peace Walker also doesn't get half the shit MGSV does even though there's not really any difference between "LOL, ZADORNOV ESCAPED AGAIN! :P" and "LOL, THE NIGLETS ESCAPED AGAIN! :P"
>>719551856He would never say that the game was incomplete lol, imagine the backlash.You can see tons of stuff that would probably be different in the intended game, such as the Skullface ride dialogue, I've read that it was supposed to be in a underground facility instead of what we got in the final game. There are plenty of detailed environments that didn't get the attention they deserved. It really is unfinished.
>>719550110on my replay I killed her so that doesn't happenwhen the dog started having wallhack I left his ass in the mother base too
>Delta made it so Volgin has the same scars and damage as the Man on Fire doesbravo konami
>>719538534>he gave us something even betterKoijma's dick won't magically materialize in your mouth. You do know that, don't you?
>>719551873I mean, yeah. You wouldn't say an average grunt "met" the vast majority of the people he killed. You need to at least have a conversation of substance for it to really count, in my opinion. And that didn't happen until MGS4.
Crazy how MGSV was such a letdown that the only parts people liked was the original trailer. It hyped up everyone for a game that couldn't deliver
>>719552418I liked the whole game. Just because it doesn't live up to the feedback loop of hype we were giving it doesn't mean it's bad. (People seriously believed shit like Kaz was going to call the child soldiers niggers.)
>>719552168>source: trust me
>>719552287They even play his theme https://youtu.be/ZqpXR5pgV0o?list=RDZqpXR5pgV0o
>Featuring...>The Skulls UnitAnyone have the gif of the laughing black man?
>>719553071MGSV's OST was so dogshit man, how do you go from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KPR-yCy_0vA to whatever that is
There was a point while playing where I thought it might be one of my favourite games of all time. Then I got burned out, did the sahelanthropus fight and quit. Havent played ever since.
>>719553287MGSV ost is just a different tone, not bad at all
>>719541446The open world is a good because of how it fits into the mission structure. Actually exploring the world of MGSV is boring as fuck.
>sons of big boss>dead cell>cobra unit>beauty and beast unit>nothing
>>719554465>>719553217
>>719554465*blocks your path*
>>719554465I guess you could consider Quiet, Man on Fire, Mantis and the Skulls as a single XOF unit sent against Venom Snake.
>>719554465
All MGS games prior to it feel like a generic anime title. MGSV feels like a proper movie
>>719538534I had fun on my one playthrough (this was helped by playing it on release and being able to talk shit about it with everyone), but it failed as an MGS game and I'm not interested in replaying it.>he gave us something even betterNah. An actual mgs game and story would've made this a classic, but Kojima completely sacrificed that for the dumb twist because he got bored with mgs.
>>719538534I played it on release and thought it was shit and a betrayal from Kojima, I played it very thoroughly like I did with peace walker, recruiting the best dudes, doing all the side content etc etcIt felt shallow empty, the story stretched thin but the gameplay was pure ludo and kept the whole thing on its head.I replayed it before Delta came out, I started over but for some obscure reason, I had like Billions of GP MB poitns and other points that I never knew how I got this much, so from the get go I could unlock everything and have a fully staffed and equipped MB.So I did all the main mission, in sucession and listened to the tapes in between. Played that way it is a MUCH BETTER experience. and it is where the true KINO lurks, you just have to Role Play in your head that you spend a long time with the diamond dogs at MB so their fate still hits you goodPortable OPS, and Peace Walker, collecting shit, minmaxing stuff were a mistake
>>719538534MGS5 is complete chocolate ass cream, it forever killed my excitement for new games. If you feel differently you're not only wrong but you're also likely a nigger because of how stupid and gay you are
>>719539975>somber endingsyea it left me empty as fuck to a point i didn't understand if it wasn't finished.I wanted an epic battle but all i got was a cuck finishing the job They went nowhere with the kids tho and i wish they finished the final mission. aside from that i think the story was finished tho. everything introduced was told and it explains it properly. I really like the ending too with it showing Venom snake turns evil
>>719538534the version of this game that exist in my mind is the greatest work of art of the 21st century, kojima had all the pieces he was just a fucking retard and on top of that konami fucked the game over EVEN MORE, I don't think a videogame will ever have as much potential as MGSV
>>719538534>"um ackshually it's GOOD that the story devolves into pure nonsense because it's UNEXPECTED!"I have subversion fatigue.
Does anyone remember how many people said they were gonna hold off their suicide until MGSV came out?
>>719555835I hope that V being so bad encouraged some to keep living so as to not go out on a bad note
>>719554936>Least amount of cutscenes and dialogue ever>Repetitive ass filler missionsWhat kind of shit movie is this?
>>719538534i can't forgive what kojima did to joostenshe deserved to be fragile
>>719556447There should have been no cuscenes or dialogues whatsoever, pure Half-Life experience
It still remains a game that I just cannot finish. I couldn't bother to finish it on launch, couldn't bother finishing it a few months later, couldn't bother finishing a few years later, and couldn't bother to finish it now. I just hate everything about it except the gameplay.I finished Portable Ops before finishing TPP.
Chapter 2 is a lot more important than people think. It's point is hidden in mission #41: Proxy war without end. It's nestled in between reruns of missions (which also serve that point, outside of gameplay reasons, which is why they are skippable too). It's hitting you over the head with it's themes of Venom and his soldiers seeking out endless conflict but at the same time people miss that theme and just moan about it being unfinished. It's rather open ended by design. After all is said and done, Venom's sacrifice might be interpreted as meaningless and all that remains is him and his crew being dogs of war in an endless cycle of violence. That's why the game just keeps going and why the multiplayer aspects are set up the way that they are. I've replayed this game more times than I can count and while the main twist was obvious from the start, it's filled with tons of little details designed to leave the players with the phantom pain by the end. Hence the cries of unfinished but it really isn't. You're meant to feel loss and dread by the end. Which is countered by BB's motivational words but they are just that, words. Another theme of the game. Venom's fate is running endless proxy wars until he meets his demise. There's something very bittersweet in there and it was expertly designed. The problem is that it is so nuanced if you just take the game at face value, which you would playing it for a first time. It truly was MGS's swan song game.
>it's been... ten years
How is he so handsome
>>719557613He's a man you fucking homo
>>719553007I mean you can just boot up the game right now and check the Skullface mission area
>>719552168>UndergroundFalse. It was meant to have choppers flying around and more scenery fluff going on during the silent moments but they had to scrap it because of time and ps3 hardware constraints. cut content =/= unfinished
>>719557782Youre sub5 with a negative canthal tilt and a recessed maxilla you wouldnt get it
>>719552669>People seriously believed shit like Kaz was going to call the child soldiers niggersThey were literally black in the game though, how else would he refer to them? This one was common sense
>>719538987GTA 6 will change everything
Absolute kino until Africa. Turns to absolute shit afterwards.
>>719557550It's a really depressing ending and epilogue. After unlocking the last cutscene I walked around motherbase, just listening to guard conversations and enjoying the ambience. Took me a while to accept that this is how it ends. It's rare for games to feel like this. Most of them have some kind of catharsis waiting at the end.
>>719557550>the game is incomplete and thats a good thing because its the intended experienceI agree with what you said but that is just cope.
https://youtu.be/8CrRd4hcAeE?si=6ns4-8viuVuxHANWWhats your favorite licensed song from the game?
>ahkshually MGSV is finishedHoly shit what happened in those 10 years? Remember when Kojimbo said that we'd be returning to Camp Omega? Actually, never mind that, remember when they SOLD THE FUCKING PROLOGUE?!
>>719538534frontloaded borderline abusive scam
>>719558082Everything we see of Kaz, before and after MGSV, paints him as a genuine, worldly egalitarian who's only really concerned with the bottom line.People were expecting a hard Heel-turn that would really only be edginess for edginess's sake.
Still the best stealth setpiece ever
>MGSV Phantom Pain>incomplete mess gives you no resolution>you will never get over it>MFW Phantom Pain gives you Phantom Pain
>>719547946Kek
>>719558294I'm saying it's not unfinished anon. Not at all. It's 100% finished, except for the DLC content anyway: Which would have been a substory about the kids and the metal gear on a separate island without altering the ending in any way, judging from all the interviews I read. But yes, it was designed to leave you with literal phantom pain. Originally the game didn't even had a way to get Quiet back but fans complained so much they patched her back in. >>719558240Yeah, it really was something else. I didn't quite get it the first time around neither and had that "that's it?" feeling in the end. But upon my first replay I picked up on all the details sprinkled throughout. Most notably how Chapter 2 is just a loss upon loss for Venom. Kaz's betrayal, losing Quiet, losing chunks of your men and/or part of their trust. Even Huey by his own hand. Still, they leave you with a flicker of hope and reasons to keep playing. A true masterpiece. But so misunderstood. Both in themes and even gameplay.
>>719558970>never get over itI was over it after 10 hours of trying to play it and uninstalling, the uninstall was closure enough, mgs was always retarded I just outgrew it
>>719538534The stealth is very good. Pretty much everything surrounding it sucks though.
>>719559178>Which would have been a substory about the kids and the metal gear on a separate island without altering the ending in any way, judging from all the interviews I read. A subplot that finishes the actual story you mean?>But yes, it was designed to leave you with literal phantom pain. Shut the fuck up.
>>719559178I mean it's not just a "sub story" the thing with the Metal Gear and the language parasites. They could really fuck up the world with that lol.
>>719558436Kojima said Camp Omega would return, sure, but that was before the strategic dispute that lead to the top members of Kojima Productions not renewing their contracts with Konami. That dispute hit right at the end of development for Ground Zeroes, and their departure wasn't set in stone until a few months before The Phantom Pain released. It was still under negotiation.But nonetheless, it resulted in the need to cut back on the scope of the game. Nothing is missing from the story, except Mission 51, which would have been DLC that only explained why Sahelanthropus never appeared again. (It was nonfunctional in the first place, Tretij Rebenok was literally puppeting it around, and he could only do that as a kid because of the underdeveloped myelin sheathes in his brain boosting his psychic powers. Which the main game does enough to explain anyway.)All you really miss out on is what happens to Eli and Mantis, and the previs bonus feature is enough to explain that all the kids end up dying when the island gets glassed, Mantis rips the parasite out of Eli, and they fuck off before eventually joining FOXHOUND.
I'm always surprised how many people are still playing the game. The way everyone talks about it it's like one of the worst things that ever happened to humanity. But it clearly has its fans.
>>719559343>>719559353That would depend on how they handled it, most likely it would have remained just as open ended. The goal of the DLC was introducing a GZ type arena, because fans missed that tightly knit design and they wanted to bring that back. The story wasn't going to be the main focus or with any big alterations. It's all out there, just google for the translated interviews. >>719559585I'm still playing it too. There is just no substitute. What other "build your army/base" + operating with fun and multiple use gadgets for endless replayability is there? None.
>>719559585MGSV has insanely good gameplay, it doesn't surprise people wouldn't lose interest at all.
>>719538534There has been nothing like it since.
>>719539071Twice
>>719538534NoIt's a shitty far cry 2 clone in third personPlay nuhitman or intravenous if you want an actual modern stealth game, not a ubisoft wannabe.
>>719538534In my opinion it's the greatest video game ever made and it came out during the same time as the witcher 3 and breath of the wild the era of 'the gold standard for open world games'
Boss...
>>719559469The story and game structure is clearly a result of huge content cuts. You don't need to continue on this endless tirade when anyone who plays the game feels it the same as they feel it during Xenogears, FFXII, FFXV, etc. They cut out huge parts of the game and story, stuck filler missions in, and pushed it out.
>>719554764>the best mgs villians didnt even come from kojima game
>>719556928>name is literally jewstein
>>719560659There are no cut parts because then we'd know what was cut, but the only thing confirmed cut was "Kingdom of the Flies" which would only tie a couple of loose ends>b-but muh Chico!..A concept that never made it out of the pre-production stage
Did anyone else find the idroid not annoying and actually cool? Wish my phone sounded like that
>>719561000>only tie a couple of loose endsliquid literally escaped with the most advanced metal gear ever created and the english strain of the vocal parasites. that shit is huge.
>>719561079the voice is very comforting https://youtu.be/Q5lI346jEIc
>>719538534My least played mgs game along with PW. I should probably give it a replay soon tho
>>719538534I liked GZ and liked GZ's version of Skullface. TPP was really disappointing. I'm okay with the twist at the end but for fuck's sake I wanted to see the actual missing link leading to the events of MG1 instead of time skip. The majority of the game is just not really that eventful and the cast is bland. Kiefer is aight but he doesn't talk much so like why even hire him (we all know why). Paz's sequence was great. Felt almost Silent Hill-esque at the end. Piecing it together piece by piece only for it to be an allegory for Big Medic's psychological and physiological condition. That was probably one single piece of good writing/directing in the whole game. Code Talker is a bore.Quiet is...yeah I'm ashamed of my words and deeds.Open world was meh, nothing happens in between big bases which on their own do not feature any interesting level design whatsoever. Everything mostly remains static throughout. You're told there are warring factions but you never see any actual conflict happen. It's all so incredibly barebones.I don't think Kojima gave a fuck when he was making this, hence so many weird decisions that could be chalked up to GMP embezzling.
>>719557550How do people replay a game so much? Do I just have a shit attention span? Ive only played MGSV once and even though I loved it I have no desire to play it for a couple years at least
>>719538534I quit after that swamp mission because I was so sick and tired of the time wasting mmo bullshit of sending your guys on missions- the timer stood still if you weren't in game. It pissed me off so much I couldn't be bothered with the rest of the game
>>719538662>several maps of ground zero's qualityhonestly the concept of having a very detailed map like the base in GZ that you have to infiltrate multiple times again and again is so fucking amazingYou can alter it trough time by having the game react to the way a player chooses to play. Either moving around security, offering new entrances, etc.Just a big open world doesnt work for a game like this
>>719548146Explain why Big Boss is full of regret over the foolish things he did in MGS4, then.
>>719561079>tfw using the sound bites on my phoneThere are several sound packs out there. >>719561457There's no substitute is the main cause. Most modern games are gay as fuck anyway. I replay TPP once a year usually, at worst I'll skip it for a year. Same with other MGS titles but TPP takes the most time.
>>719562142I miss her bros
>>719561079I've been trying to find a way to use it's weather alert sound effects when my phone gets a notification about possible rain, but I don't think it's possible.
Funny how I just picked this game up a couple of days ago and continued my 100% save without even realizing it's turning 10 this year. Although, I'd have to grind FOBs at this point in order to level shit up and apparently you can lose your staff by doing it and subsequently your level as well.
>>719538662Honestly, it's % 100% Kojima to blame. He fucked it up with the story and open-world mechanic. This game had so much potential with story and characters, timeline still unbelievable how it ended up sucking so badly. It's exactly like this anon said >>719538662 the game needed bases like GZ where you have to choose the approach your gonna take depending on the situation. Open world doesn't work for Metal Gear.
Gameplay is really good, but the sandbox sucks. Story is whatever. You can tell Kojima didn't really want to do this one, but I'm not naive to think he wasn't at fault for it as well.
>>719551539>scales backYou're an idiot. He had a fuckload of money and half a decade to finish this. Aww yeah let's scan Quiet's feet, let's add a celebrity. Priorities set just right.
>>719562582Why would he not scan her feet when you will inevitably see them? This nigga made ice cubes melt and you expect him to get cheap when it comes to feet?
>>719562364That's not the hardest thing to program yourself. You might even be able to sell it, if you write it so it can accept an arbitrary sound file for each kind of notification instead of using the sounds taken from MGSV.
>its been as long since MGSV as the gap between MGS1-4
>find out you've been brainwashed and facially reconstructed into a different personWhat would you honestly even do in his situation?
>>719562727Making ice cubes melt was important for the message of MGS2. Ice cubes represent solid ideas. When melted they turn into water, disjointed liquid mess of half-truths. What was the point of having Quiet's feet scanned? They still looked like shit by the way. Also, they completely fucked Stephanie's face up, Quiet looks like she has downs.
>>719538534Been experiencing it for the first time recently
>>719562582Konami scaling back MGSV has nothing to do with the scanning the feet of Joosten. You are the idiot.
>>719560636
My first experience was it in 2015 on the 360. Game looked pretty good, but I think it literally locked itself to 20 FPS at times.
>>719538534check this anon:>>>/wsg/5960333
>>719560636>>719563125Traitor piece of shit destroyed the world with the war economy
Truly the greatest game of all timehttps://youtu.be/sinFT8WZi4c?si=rM0XhoTHGUwm8oTN
>>719562901punch the mirror to show how badass I am
>>719562901>haha you're big boss now bing bong keep on keeping on>players unironically thought this was a cool thing for venom and by proxy for themselves since Kojima literally extends and relegates this role to (you) the player, just like Big Boss does to Venom>actually you're a fucking idiot who got played by the real masterminds and will never get your catharsis It's kind of kino in a way.
>>719562901I guess it depends on who I'm turned into. Being Big Boss is cool, but fuck me that would be a lot of work. Even if I found out after taking out Skullface, building Outer Heaven is a huge undertaking.Losing my eye just to look like someone else would be also be massive bitch.
best videogame ever.
I like how Venom is canonically just an extremely durable meat shield. Even in MG1 he takes like 8 rockets before he dies.
>>719563296He was the best soldier Big Boss had and probably loyal as hell too. And now he got the chance to *become* Big Boss himself. And at that point he was fucked up enough to just accept that he's a monster so whatever
>>719557550people want an epic ending where you are the hero, chapter 1 is that for them and they don't understand that
>>719563856I wonder how people would react if the game ended here. I think it would be a much lesser story but at the same time more people would feel satisfied with it.
Its really good despite its shortcomings. I still think open world tactical stealth action sandbox has immense potential.
>>719538534I didn't like the setting and story at all, it ruined the rest of the game for me (which was actually decent underneath). This has been true since Peace Walker.
I have fond memories of the game. It was the first one I bought and immediately played after my first paycheck, in my first own home, after I had moved out during that summer. Those memories of riding through sunny Afghanistan while listening to The Final Countdown, or A Phantom Pain... The game introduced me to different kinds of music which I still listen to. The themes of identity, linguistic philosophy and the position of mercenaries and warfare in international law/geopolitics fascinate me. I dressed up as Venom Snake to a school party, and went with a girl who soon after the fact became my first girlfriend. She left me a phantom pain. When I served in the army, I often thought about how Venom would move in cover etc. I found the roll mechanic of MGSV to be applicable in real-life, too. So I guess I have a... lingering sensation of a personal connection to this game. I did rike it. I was good at it. I felt... aliveBillions must listen:https://music.youtube.com/watch?v=sO8d1CIFV8w
>have one of your areas set in africa>have 80s music hits featured in your game>don't have africa by totoFucka you
>>719564518>I dressed up as Venom Snake to a school party, and went with a girl who soon after the fact became my first girlfriend.Nigga really wrote some fan fiction
>>719564518>who soon after the fact became my first girlfriendWas she the silent type?
>>719562395You don't have to do FOB's if you don't want to. It's only tied to one form of rank. And your staff gets lost if you get attacked, which rarely happens today. Set up defences for those rare cases though. You can just focus on your PF grade instead through the single player. My game is modded so I can't really do FOB's without the game crashing if I don't disable them. I don't generally care for them neither. Use infinite heaven (search nexusmods for it) to increase resource gain (up to a 1000% for containers, processed materials, diamonds etc) to make the grind more tolerable. There are good side-op packs too for more variation and you can configure Infinite heaven to have patrols and vehicles wandering the empty roads and fields in free roam. There's also tweaking soldier parameters/gear and reinforcements for more difficulty. Truly a gamechanger and it fills up that potential of the game that was cut down to make it run on a ps3.There's mods to fluff up the graphical quality, lod's and so forth too. I could make a shortlist but I'm busy with other shit too so idk if this thread will still be up later on.>>719563161Forcing the game to run on a last gen consoles of the time was a big mistake.
>>719563161unbelievable it even ran
>>719563082he still wasted the game's budget to meet celebrities when the old cast was still around and willing. fuck kojima and hte people who are dumb enough to defend him
>>719565004>You can just focus on your PF grade instead through the single player.All of my staff is like S-S++ (no boasters)Every unit is lvl ~95 (except for the attackers, it's sitting at like 80 or something) but I don't know how to level the rest to to 99. The only thing I can do is just wait for the PF points to accumulate just so I could purchase S+/S++ staff and those accumulate very slowly.>search nexusmods for itYeah about that. It's a ps4 version.
>>719539184You are way too terminally online.
>>719565356Fuck you Konami cock suckers that defend Konami fucking over every single Metal Gear game.
>>719558193It will look barely better than RDR2 while needing much more powerfull rig to run.
>>719563161The PS3 version apparently ran at the same resolution as the 360 version, but it looked way blurrier. I do think it's neat that the PS3 officially has access to every mainline MGS game.
>>719564876You just gotta be yourself, anon. Pic related>>719564950Kek, not really. She had no resemblance to Quiet.
>>719565979Underestimating Rockstar after what they did on a fucking Ps4 is insane.
WHEN YOU CAN'T EVENSAYMY NAME
>>719538534MGSV is one of those games that make me depressed, so I pretend it doesn't exist. What is there is good but this was clearly a very rushed and unfinished game just like Xenogears. Konami just wanted Kojima out for some reason.
>>719560302Nah, he spent 40 million on Death Stranding, and then another maybe 40 million. For AAA games these are almost "budget" titles, and they came out. That's more than you can say for a lot of modern games.
>>719538534It's one of the greatest games ever made and the best in the MGS series. Very good story and very satisfying gameplay. Hopefully Delta's underwhelming release makes more people go back and see that this is the pinnacle of gaming. It was all downhill after 2015.
>>719568438>Hopefully Delta's underwhelming release makes more people go back and see that this is the pinnacle of gaming.Delta is massively held back by the Unreal engine, and unreal settings and lighting. It has that janky ugly unreal look and MGSV looks better and it's 10 years older. What's weirder is that they used the Fox engine for the Pachinko game, with all new models but then didn't use it. Was it too hard to train new people on the Fox engine? Why not at least re-use the models? Do they have to pay the company that did the pachinko more or something? The lighting in Fox Engine is lightyears ahead of Unreal tripe it's not even funny.
>>719538534It's fun, I appreciate the story and characters more as I grow older but a lot of what Kojima was trying to go for unfortunately just doesn't work
>>719568604pachinko
>>719568604Unreal 5 without Unreal 5 features stripped out is awful. But also adding a few new mechanics to an over 20 year old game doesn't work without actually rebuilding it and giving it big maps. Konami partly outsourced Delta so the industry wants a standard engine for lazy cheap jobs.
>>719538534I never bothered with any of the Mother Base shit, whether it was building, exploring or infiltrating, did I miss out on anything?
>>719568604>Was it too hard to train new people on the Fox engine?didn't Kojima take all the people that knew how to work Fox Engine just right with him?it's kind of a waste of money for Konami to even have.
the fiddle was in our hands all along.
>>719569069By and large, yes. But it'd take time and effort to train up new people. But I can see why there's an "industry standard" of just being able to pop in and out random idiots trained in Unreal. They wouldn't be able to have so many Chinese working on the game without unreal.I hate unreal so much it's... Unreal. I wish the CCP would just build or steal their own engine.
I deeply enjoy this game and have been replaying it recently. Feels like the game gets better with age.
>>719559585The game is just really, really fun.
>>719568852fob missions are great, probably missed some story pieces like paz then
>>719565390>ps4Ouch. Missing out bigtime. >>719568852It's mostly an endgame vessel and serves as gating gear and abilities, you missed out on quite a bit but arguably nothing too big. >>719563856>>719564025Chapter 2 is the real meat and bones of the game, I think the pacing of it is what made people miss the point and misunderstand it. The tapes explain a lot of the downfall and the empty glory of chapter 1 but perhaps it couldn't have been better if it was in the form of cinematics and less nuanced. It's still kinda odd to me Kojimbles didn't go for that, since he usually loves to spread those themes out more. Konami pressuring for a release probably catched up to the team at that point.
>>719557154Way to prove the point that MGSV is MGS for people who don't like MGS
>>719561825>honestly the concept of having a very detailed map like the base in GZ that you have to infiltrate multiple times again and again is so fucking amazingKonami is sitting on raw oil and they don't even realize it
>>719565390>It's a ps4 version.best
>>719538534By far the worst mainline MGS title, its not even close. The gameplay is solid but, my god, does the story miss the mark. For a series that has always delivered on each entry's narrative and connecting them all together, it really ended on the flattest note imaginable. An embarrassing bad conclusion holy shit
>>719538534They needed to let Kojima follow his vision. They shouldn't have cut development short.
>>719572226>does the story miss the mark/a/ tiers of being wrong.
>>719538534Ground Zeroes was genius, Phantom Pain was ass.
>>719572226Oh yah? Then how come I experienced phantom pain after I beat the game? Story working as intended.
>>7195386625 maps like GZ's placed around the world, a la MGS4, would have saved MGSV.
>>719538534>The controls and mechanics are some of the best in the genreTLoU2 mogs it both as a TPP shooter and sneaking game. Not even joking. Only people that think MGSV is a good TPS game don't actually play TPS games.
>>719571879Best special edition PS4 ever made.
>>719571243Its so easy to spot newcomers to the series that played MGSV as their first mgs game, not knowing anything else. If these people played the games in release order, it'd be clear to them how bad of a game MGSV is, and how bad of a sendoff to the entire series it is.>>719572684lol
>>719565893>YOU HATE KOJIMA SO YOU MUST LOVE KONAMIfuck nothey killed silent hillthey make soulless remakes that gay faggots shill on this board non stopthey abandoned the fox enginebut my hatred of konami wont compel me to suck off the gook hollywood pedophile that loves making movie games
>>719538987DS2 does much more, but it's mostly in dynamic lighting, animation, and physics. Please play games before you comment.
>>719573161>they killed silent hillThis decision was made by Kojima is you already forgot. He was shilling for western devs taking it over two years before they even signed the deal. >they make soulless remakes that gay faggots shill on this board non stopAll of Kojima's team still works at Konami. He only took the concept artist with him.
>Ishmael can't possibly be real if what you see is what actually happens but is supposedly Big Boss>Clock times in prologue and truth both not matching up with the game's events>Skull Face saying things Big Boss said without him being present, sparking fight club tier theories>Entire tapes are just complete hallucinations (maybe most are?)>The list goes onMGSV overdoes the unreliable narrator shit so much that you can't be certain of literally anything you see actually happening or not. And I just find that boring as fuck. Tell a fucking story or shut the fuck up, you pretentious own-fart-sniffing nip that just discovered Nietzsche in his 50s.
I loved larp walking through the desert at night with the dog and listening to music.
>>719538534>game is unfinished>literally makes you feel a phantom painbravo kojimbo
With DS2 underperforming, and OD sure to be a flop (tranny character), Kojima Productions is fucked.They need to cancel OD and fast-track Physint (also fucking rename Physint).
>>719573469That is literally not larp
>>719538534the story sucked dick and the sheer betrayal by kojimbo's incompetence has soured me from a fanboy to a hater for life.blame konami all you want, they're both as guilty of cheating the consumer out of a coherent, good product.
Remember the P.T. tape during the scary Skulls Africa mission?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hod6fKjW-eY
>>719572970oh so youre just nostalgia blinded, got it
>>719573309Oh don't get me wrong: DS2 is one of the better looking games out there now, and looks much better than shit like MGS Delta. But my main point is that it doesn't feel like this massive graphical leap the same way going from Mega Drive to Dreamcast did. It feels incrimental. And the "realism" games kinda all blend in together. It's unsustainable when 40 million is a "budget" AAA game especially now that the audience isn't growing but shrinking.
>>719538534>*saves war orphans*>*starts a petting zoo*>*disarms nukes*>*stops ESL man's evil virus*>*grills hamburgers*>I'M A MONSTER, KAZ. I'M A DEMON, HELLBENT ON REVENGE. MEN BECOME DEMONS IN OUTER HEAVEN. SOMEBODY STOP ME. I'M NUCLEAAAAAAAAR, TAAAAAKE OOOON MEEEEEE
>>719573484They have to bring a editor/director that will reign in Kojima and his retarded ideas. DS2 is proof that giving him what he wants won't result in anything good or original.
>>719573459I don't think half of that is intentional, just messy writing and rushed game.
>>719573550Yep, Konami basically stole our money and exited the gaming sector (except for coming back to milk IPs). Deplorable.But it's solely Kojima's fault for conceiving a game that he couldn't completely finish in a reasonable time.
>>719557550>on the one hand, it's badass, on the other hand there is zero pussy in reach and you're gay>>719563729popular Japanese trope
I'm probably the only one who liked all the answers the story provided but even more so the new questions that it posed. https://youtu.be/ITDZUfRsFmg
>>719573761>rushed game>7 years in development.
>>719573459I found it enjoyable. It was fun reading everyone coming up with their own schizo theories (encouraged by the game itself) each one more valid than the other. I think TPP is what introduced me to post-structuralism.Your comment made me wanna rewatch futurasound productions videos.
Why is Paz treated like some kind of tragic figure? She was a spy who got into a giant robot to fight you.
>>719573809It doesn't answer anything. It only creates plot holes. MGSV is just a shitty retcon that needlessly complicates the timeline. Snake's Revenge has more sense than this trash.
>>719573918>futurasound productions videoStopped watching him when he came out as a leftist
>You hope hatred... might someday replace the pain.>BUT IT NEVER GOES AWAY>IT MAKES A MAN HIDEOUS >INSIDE AND OUT
>>719573952>>719573809Yeah, I think Kojimbo was milking the series at this point, and I think he intentionally made a psych out game that purports to be the missing chapter to the story of big boss... but ends up being a side mission. This way you can squeeze in more Big Boss games that never came out.
>>719573935She was tortured and RAPED
>>719574087agrEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>719573664
>>719573935Venom was an MSA Medic who didn't get to see Big Boss fight her so all he has is his memory of her as le peace loli
>>719574087This scene seemed like it was trying to say something else, like some kind of fourth wall shit cause kojima was mad at someone
>>719574087Reminder that according to V, Zero sent him to collect Snake's poop.
>>719574131>RAPEDHow did Kojimbo get away with this anyway?
>>719574135THAT'S WHYI WILL SHOW YOU MY DEMON
>>719558970>be kojima>"Ima call my game Metal gear solid and ima call my remake The Twin Snakes cause 2 snakes>Ima call my game MGS2 Sons of Liberty because terrorist group>ima call my game MGS3 Snake eater because operation snake eater>ima call ym game mgs4 guns of the patriot because the patriot blablabla controls guns and evil A.I>ima call my next game Peace Walker because thats the robot name>still kojima>IMA CALL MY NEXT GAME The Phantom Pain because i want it to give you a feeling of emptyness that never fills>be retards on /v/.>this game isn't complete the fucker told your retarded asses this would happen. why are you surprised or shocked. Also only thing not complete was the liquid snake part. everything else is done
>>719573664>it doesn't feel like this massive graphical leapIn screenshots, yes I agree. But, you can't change the terrain in MGSV because the lighting is prebaked. Nothing is simulated. Meanwhile, there are avalanches and player-built structures in DS2. MGSV's graphical features extend weakly to real gameplay.
>>719574198Kojima was legit untouchable pre release tpp era he could get away with anything
>>719574212V was supposed to have a different plot but Kojima spent all the money on licensing Hollywood music and actors and never finished it.
I'm afraid it's been.... 10 years
>>719574336Who told you this? reddit?We don't know shit about anything. All we know was liquids story was cut and thats it.
>>719573386>He was shilling for western devs taking it over two years before they even signed the deal.are you serious? holy shit i hate this faggot even more
>>719573935They find her logs on old MB and deduce that she was willing to turn on Zero/xof. She had warmed up, but Miller was her handler on MB. He was still playing both sides for dubious reasons when old MB went under.Miller and Ocelot don't give a shit about Paz, Big Medic does. Chico was the only one any of them were really worried about.
Oh man, you can tell that Kojimbo was kind of rebbelling with MGS2, with the meta storyline and this weird schizo shit. Then he had to try to make it somewhat coherent: introducing the Philosophers as the origin of the Patriots in Snake Eater, then trying to make... somethign that is MGS4's storyline. It's unclear how getting a lot of cash from a secret Swiss bank account results in becoming the illuminati. Even worse, it turns out your quirky CODEC team is the god damn illuminati, and now he is stuck with prequel games with Zero as the god damn supreme leader of the Illuminati. 100 billion USD in the 1960s goes a long way but... not that far. And why wouldn't the CIA and others not account for the possibility that your spy team doesn't just fuck off with the money themselves? The meta-story of the series became such total ass. Each game should have just been some super spy mission.
>>719574435>They find her logs on old MB and deduce that she was willing to turn on Zero/xof.>Miller was her handlerThis is actually in Peace Walker btw, you didn't finish the game.
>>719574423It was a common stance back then. Go watch the MGS4 TGS shows he and Inafune were always saying that japanese game development is dead in the HD era.
>>719574206Its unbelievable how much the game story crumbles into fucking pieces after OKB Zero.Skullface was terrible. There are so many random philosophical topics kojima throws at the wall and not saying anything profound about any of it.
>>719574283Oh I also know that. The Fox Engine is 10 years older than the DS engine, and it was heavily held back by not only the PS4, but also having to be able to run on the PS3/360. They really should have cancelled those versions of the game. Obviously, with 10 years of development, the engine would be on par with the DS engine. The average normoid doesn't notice or even care that much, and as I said, the "Realism" games start to blend together a bit.
>>719574541The bosses in MGS gradually slide from god-tier in MGS1 to absolute slop in MGSV.
>>719574541Skullface stole every scene. Extremely memorable and quotable. Best villain since Solidus.
it's weird seeing all of you finally want to analyze this stuff decades after the public gestalt has moved on. it means you're reaching into your fuzzy memories or reading other people's written fuzzy experiences to draw conclusions that become bizzaro half truths. getting old and watching other retards repeat the process is fucking weird. I hate this planet.
>>719574435>for dubious reasonsSame reason why BB goes to work for Zero and found Foxhound during the events of TPP.
>>719574520thats fucking retarded. japanese ip's suck when they're handled by westerners and vice versa
the game that mindbroke /v/
>>719574724False, considering the first western SH outsold every Japanese one. The western Castlevania also made A TON of cash. Nothing suggested otherwise back then.
>>719574626he certainly stole the moment Sins of the Father plays. Can you fucking imagine producing a song like that and your grand vision was just to play it in a transitional jeep ride scene.
>>719574618>"Realism" games start to blend together a bitVery true. We take photorealism for granted more than uncanny images. Our brains no longer see it as "good graphics" and just go "Well of course two lights are blending together and reflecting off of different parts of his clothing differently. That's what light does."
>>719574626Worst take I've ever seen in a metal gear thread EVER
>>719574448i mean could buy a house for 45,000 when i was young unironically. Now that not enough but in that time i could prob fuck your mom fat ass 10x over
>>719574618I hate how flat and muddled shit looks today.'PBR' was a mistake.
>>719574838great scene, got chills when the song came on
The trailers were just too good. They set up an impossible standard. Everyone thought V would revolutionize gaming, instead it was just a solid game and kind of a subpar MGS story/hijinx wise.Personally, I've always hated fulton and having to recruit soldiers to unlock stuff.
>>719538534>*trailer*>"In Outer Heaven, men become demons for revenge">*5 minutes into the actual game*>"Kaz, let's get one thing straight. This isn't about revenge. We're fighting for the future."
>>719574979Don't knock a man down for having ideals
>>719574656>Zoomer retard gets mad that people have an attention span longer than him>Zoomer retard thinks true analysis can only be made during the experience rather than retrospectively when you've had more time to collect your thoughts, additional data, and digest it allLmao
>>719574618 Absolutely. You could’ve told me back then that Fox Engine would be one of the most underutilized engines ever made and I wouldn’t have believed you. MGS V still looks insane even today, but yeah, being shackled to the PS3/X360 was a joke. They built this Ferrari and then drove it through a McDonald’s drive-thru.And yeah, realism fatigue is real. Everything hugs that same brown-grey mold now, chasing realism so hard it all ends up looking sterile. There's nothing iconic about it anymore-nothing feels *designed*, just scanned and lit.
>>719574979>Kaz,*Rescues child soldiers.*>I'm*Pulls animals out of a warzone.*>Already*Collects humanitarian aid for NGOs.*>A*Disarms nukes.*>Demon*Beats Skullface and doesn't even kill him.*
>>719574979YEAH BUT THAT'S OUTER HEAVEN! VENOM SNAKE IS NOT A PART OF OUTER HEAVEN! HE'S WITH DIAMOND DOGS!
>>719575060>ego blasted retard 28 year old who is for some reason larping as a retard millennial thinks he has shit to say about anything because he got mad and auto-assigned an anonymous person as a zoomer in his headchoke and die
>>719575060sorry anon, but you had to be there.
>>719575136>feel constant crushing guilt>act like a good personmakes sense
>>719575136He says the im already a demon line before he does any of that shit tho. Also almost everything you’ve listed here is optional. Game doesnt even punish you for not doing them iirc
I recommend outerheaven on twitch.
>>719574087This dude goes from gangraping a woman and forcing a kid to finish her, at gunpoint, complete with pussy bomb - to wearing a lone ranger face mask and going "SUCH A LUST FOR REVENGE WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO?!" What the fuck
>>719575602He's kidnapping children in TPP and injecting them with a virus
The philosopher's legacy is an ass load of money.
>>719539271I am Big Fucks and so are you...
>>719575675Yeah but I can't take it seriously while he's>wearing a lone ranger face mask and going "SUCH A LUST FOR REVENGE WHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO?!"
>>719538534>I was born in a small village.>>Small village huh...>I was still a child when we were raided by soldiers.>>Raided by soldiers huh....>Foreign soldiers. Torn from my elders, I was made to speak their language.>>Language..... huh.........>With each new post, my masters changed along with the words they made me speak.>>Words... huh?>With each change, I changed, too.>>Huh...... *clears throat cancer*>My thoughts, personality, how I saw right and wrong. Words can kill.>>Words can kill hnnnnnngh......
My favorite part is when Skull Face kisses Snake.
>>719575735BRAVA HAYTER BRAVAA TRIUMPHTHIS IS WHY YOU ARE THE ONE AND ONLY SNAKE
I suspect V was heavily rewritten during development. Likely due to pressure from Konami. Anyone remember Kojima saying he could be ousted from the industry if he didn't handle the themes with care? Nothing in TPP was that egregious, even after Kojima saying the game would the darker and edgier than the previous games.In Ground Zeroes, the enemy goons were all part of the US armed forces. You could go around shooting American soldiers in the dick at Guantanamo. That's darker and edgier. In TPP, goons are back to being Russians like in 2 and 3 or nondescript PMCs like in 4. I always thought that detail was significant.
>>719575735Instead snake stares while saying [depleted keifer sutherland budget]
is there any easy way to transfer my ancient PS4 save to PC? I don't know if I can redo some of the tedious stuff from the game but I've been super itching to replay the good parts and missions
>>719575863>I suspect "headcanon">source: it came to me in a dream
>>719549687More like his career tanked and suddenly he loves Kojima again.
>>719575863the two edgiest topics were the rape tapes and the child soldiers.The tapes being so vague that I dont think any ratings agency cared. The child soldiers are surprising since snake can technically murder one child unmodded before the game over.
>>719575896I'd just download a 100% save.
>>719561825>>719562429>>719572716Didn't MGSV have several big locations just like the GZ base? Off the top of my head I can remember the oil facility, the mansion, the huge airport, the metal gear base etc.
one of the biggest wow factor in graphics
>>719576103Those don't count because I have to push a narrative
THIS IS PEQUOD ARRIVING AT LZ
>>719576249>WHOA-OH HERE SHE COMES>WATCH OUT BOY SHE'LL CHEW YOU UP>WHOA-OH HERE SHE COMES>SHE'S A MAN-EATER
Daily reminder that Huey did nothing wrong. Kaz was projecting his own fuckups on him the entire game
Open world is such a bad idea for Phantom Pain and Death Stranding, and it clearly ate up a shit ton of the budget. Kojimbo got suckered by Far Cry and wanted to one up those games. God damn, a large empty landmass is so god damn boring. Imagine if it was deigned like GZ and Snake Eater? Just a series of bases you have to infiltrate? >Afghanistan base>Africa base>USSR base>Mujahadeen base etc
>>719573809Nah, I'm with youQuestions are best left unanswered, otherwise you get MGS4
>>719576302D-HORSE IS A DONKEY
>>719576249also i fondly remember anons sharing their playlists with the appropriate songs
THINK OF ALL THE MENHE DIDN'T LOSE A DAMNED THINGTHIS IS THE ENEMYAND HE'S HERE ON HIS KNEES
>Peace Day never came.
>>719559585It hit 5K nowcheers lads
>>719576316Redesigning the game:>series of bases>each base has a boss>boss team is elite XOF (Quiet is one fo them)>various mission objectives for each base>bases vary in size>5 or so main bases with some smaller side content maps
>>719539671>The point of using the word chapter is that there are more than two parts, or halves.Ah yeah the game was so rushed they didn't have time to change the text for chapter.
>>719538908>PS4 is the peak of gaming's popularity and it's been downhill sinceThat's only because Sony dropped the ball hard, everyone else is fine.
>>719538534I'm still dissapointed we didn't get to play evil BB, but over the last few years I've seen some videos of people finding all the hidden details in the game, and it's honestly impressive, to put so many little things in the game most people won't even notice.Sucks that it was unfinished, but I can appreciate the whole schizo/doublethink themes they put in the game now.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V6COnlkSrek
Why were they so shocked that their base from Peace Walker got attacked? Taking over an oil platform isn't the most stealthy thing ever, and once you're discovered it's lights out. Unless you have the backing of a navy and airforce, what happened at the beginning of the game is literally what you'd expect to happen.The Afghan setting is thus under-utilized. Why not copy what Al Qaeda did and hide in the mountains? A base that you could then move around as needed. Expansions could be more tunnels and rooms inside the mountain. In case of attack you can also fuck off which you can't do on a god damn oil platform.
>>719576661>Our wishes do not come true. We cling on to our dreams, our phantoms. Mine and yours. But I think this one is coming to an end...After all, you've figured it out now. You can kill Skull Face, murder Huey, slaughter Zero...Burn the whole world down, and it still won't bring me back. Me or any of the dead. And that was our business. War. We bought our daily bread with money paid to us for killing. Maybe us getting killed was just balancing the scales. You know, Mother Base was never the heaven we wanted it to be, but I was still happy to have lived with everyone there. It was a short time. Such a hypocritical peace. But while I was on Mother Base, I was happy. So I hope I'm not the only one who looks back on those days with happiness. There's more to remember than hatred and rage. But of course, this is you, thinking that I should think that. It is no mystery now. I am just a phantom, a fragment of the mind you have lost. The real me died a long time ago. But even so... more so... I can tell you what you are really feeling. The real emotion that is locked away at the bottom of your heart. Let it fly out. Let it guide you. Live. I think it's my job to tell you that. That is why I exist. So this tape is the last one. Once you are done listening to it, I am one phantom limb that will be gone for good. My flesh, my bones, joining the silt on the ocean floor. But do not forget...As long as you remember me, I will always live within you. Not a phantom limb or a phantom anything. As part of your heart. I will always be your angel of peace. So I know exactly how to finish. Say peace!
>>719541587He's absolutely right, TPP is just GZ but the content more spread out with nothing in between, making it way more boring.
Should I restart or continue an old save?
>>719576802>That's only because Sony dropped the ball hard, everyone else is fine.No, gaming is dying. Kids are playing Fornight and Roblox and other "Free" games, and not buying consoles anymore. Single player AAA games are like 6% of the market, and pretty soon I see them as being 0%. PS5's have sold a lot of units, but NO ONE is buying actual games anymore. There isn't a new generation to replace "gamers" who age out of gaming every year. There's always some old fogey who hits his 40s, and is now married and doesn't have the time for gaming anymore and drops it. The 12 year olds aren't replacing them. Thus console gaming gets smaller each year. It's a small effect, but it's been building up since like 2012 each year. And many of the old "gamers" are mono-gamers who stick with CS2, League, or any other games. They can't sink into "new" games since they spend all their time playing 10 year old games. "Gamers are over" is true, just 10 years too late. You'll never see such well executed games EVER again. It's all Unreal slop and live service or indie slop from here on out.
>>719576948I thought the reasoning behind using an oil platform was entirely political, as you're not subject to any one nation's laws. It's still pretty stupid since you can achieve the same effect with a large ship, with the added benefit of being mobile.
>>719550438such a lust for revengeWHOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
>>719577296It definitely is a metaphorical shipWith Kaz being the captain, he even has the harpoon and projects the spirit of Ahab onto Venom.
I feel sorry for all the retards who still think the game the unfinished or bad in any way. >>719574381>10 yearsStill THE best game opening ever>Start off completely defenceless and completely FUBAR both mentally and physically>Fueled with adrenaline and digoxin barely manage a crawl>Slowly manages to stumble around>Still completely defenceless>Pick up a gun and become somewhat more dangerous>Still need all the help Venom can get and barely scrapes by in the end>Queue introduction to the world and the current sitrep>"Let the legend come back to life" Absolute cinema. Absolute masterpiece, one of the greatest games ever made.>>719577058Depends on how long you haven't played. If it's been a few years, mod it with infinite heaven + graphical updates + side op packs and restart. Maybe some guns if you'd like some more variation. There's some good stuff out there. If you have FOB, you won't loose the locations you picked or any free coins you might have spend but you'll have to rebuild the platforms.
>>719577478Kiefer is fucking based
That whole shit with Ocelot being under his own hypnosis is so retarded. I almost want to think like he was never under its effect because it just sounds retarded otherwise. Like when would he hypnotize himself? On the tanker? He had to have done it AFTER rescuing Big Boss and sending him off. And that's all within hours apparently.
>>719577478
>>719575175Lmao>>719575186But I was there. I'm still talking about it now because I still care. It is a great game and the narrative is actually fantastic despite (or even partially because of) the obtuse presentation. It is retarded to get mad at people still talking about a decade old game because "the gestalt moved on". I will still be here thinking about and analyzing this game even if no one else is. Thinking you can only talk about/think about what the zeitgeist cares about is such a broken way to view reality.
>>719575932Yes, retard. It’s what one might call sharing an opinion.
>>719576530kaz was the traitor all along
>>719538534Honestly this game has the best written dialogue Kojima has done. It's actually kind of incredible the game has this cheesy-but-believable almost novelistic quality to its dialogue, both in tapes and in cutscenes, but especially in the tapes. Zero is a thousand times the character he was in 3, PW or 4. So is Big Boss, ironically for his absence. I really like this game. Conceptually it's fucking insane. A body horror military thriller playable TV series focused on proxy wars in the decade hyperreality took over and the meaningless became norm, featuring an almost dreamlike mixture of Melville and Milton and Cormac McCarthy, directed by some lonely westaboo with a lot of money inspired by David Lynch and Alfonso Cuarón. The game is an absolute trip and it's a genuine tragedy more people don't appreciate it for its artistic qualities. Even its emptiness is liminal.I've got a feeling this will go down in history as one of THE best games of all time once people understand what a tragedy it is to have cutscenes play out in video games.
>>719577590AMAZING MISSION COMPLETE
>>719577612>That whole shit with Ocelot being under his own hypnosis is so retarded. I almost want to think like he was never under its effect because it just sounds retarded otherwise. Like when would he hypnotize himself? On the tanker? He had to have done it AFTER rescuing Big Boss and sending him off. And that's all within hours apparently.MGS's overall storyline is so cobbled together and filled with retcons. Ocelot lives and is setup as a villain, so he becomes the next game's major villain. Liquid Snake is popular so bring him back through the most asinine convoluted method possible. Then you undo it in the most asinine convoluted method possible. Oh my god it's such an ugly mess. MGSV's plot is ugly and messy, but it pales in comparison to 4's story which might just be the WORST plot of any major AAA game ever. I am convinced it was Kojima throwing a hissy fit, and then responding to fan demands for answers by giving them the worst ones possible. >what happened to Meryl? She marries Jonny sasaki>Big boss? he shows up alive in a post-end credits scene>The patriots? Ai or something>Rose and Raiden are back... but rose is married to old man codec guy and Raiden is pissyetc. it goes on like this. Everything is "back" but in a shittier form, specifically to piss off fans of the series who wanted story conclusions from a 1998 video game.
>>719538534I wasn't following the game around release, so the lack of the story being "finished" never really bothered me. I only decided to play it some years later and thought it was fine. I liked the Africa map, especially jungle sections, and sneaking around in the rain. Had plenty of content and I didn't even finish all side missions because there were so many
>>719538534The game that mindbroke /v/
Imagine if Ocelot stole the Shagohod and ran away with it, then it never appeared or was referenced again. This is the kind of kino you get from Phantom Pain.
>>719577805Well said, it’s one hell of a game. Very ambitious conceptually, there is absolutely nothing like it. All the inspirations behind it, everything it draws from thematically is intriguing. Love it or hate it people will never stop talking about it.
>>719578260>faggot kid takes metal gear away from you and does god knows what with itlol based
>>719578002>I am convinced it was Kojima throwing a hissy fitBased desu. Death threats, inability to quit after 2, inability to finish your own series the way you want. All that for sure played a role in 4 not just being kind of shitty but existing in the first place.
>>719578260He did this in MGS2 and Kojima was pressured to make a follow up
I dislike how the games are prequels, yet kojima and Konami felt the need to "one up" the technology and mechs in each game. iDroid is tech you'd see in a present day MGS game. In universe, 40 years separates MG Rex and MG Sahelanthropus, yet one could easily be the prototype for the other, maybe separated by like 5 years. It's also slick looking, rather than the more grounded less sci-fi metal gears from the MSX games.Really, Kojimo could have gone all in on 70s and 80s military tech and films, but instead it has this very futuristic gloss.
>>719538534I really liked the "expanded Peace Walker" style and the gameplay was fantastic, but ultimately I had more fun with Ground Zeroes and the hype from the trailers than Phantom Pain actually delivered. Should've been Peace Walker with GZ maps.
>>719578525Sally needs magic to work and it actually makes sense that Rex is just the head as a more grounded version that can actually work
>>719578525I think the futurist anachronism actually fits beautifully with the 80s vibes. It's also worth mentioning you're watching technology go from ambitious prototypes to deployable implementations.
>>719576302Both are dogshitKaz was a bitter old fuck who played 4d chess with a rock and lost so he took it out on everyone.Huey was a cutthroat traitor who used people and jumped shit to the other side when shit got heated. You where surrounded by traitors and half allies with only your men helping you and look how that turned out for them.This game was a story about how you turn evil not fixing failed friendships
I only just learned that in the hard mode version of the mission the Metal Gear is painted black
>>719577209He could be in this very room. He could be you, he could be me!
>Because by the same standard that was used to tar and feather MGSV, the revered masterpiece MGS2 is also shamefully incomplete and a permanent blot on the records of everyone involvedhttps://youtu.be/hV4wY2rjAWY?t=582https://thinkinthinkin.wordpress.com/2020/10/05/cut-content-metal-gear-solid-2-sons-of-liberty/
YOU TOO HAVE PLAYED THIS UNFINISHED GAMEAND THAT EXPERIENCE TORMENTS YOU STILLYOU HOPE GETTING CHAPTER 3 MIGHT SOMEDAY REPLACE THE BUTTHURT BUT IT'S NOWHERE TO BE FOUNDIT MAKES A MAN SEETHING WITH ANGERONLINE AND OFFWOULDN'T YOU AGREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE?
>>719572821You're the only one that believes this.
>>719538534>Otherwise MGSV would have been another fan service filled schlock like MGS4 was.completely wrong take retard. mgs 5 had to be shit where big boss wasn't a villain because 4 retconned everything, turned him into some boring anti hero and even managed to ruin how we interpret prequels. I fucking wish 4 never happened because big boss going evil in 5 could have been the empire strikes back of video games but instead we got a fucking cop-out, story wise 5 doesn't even deserve to be called metal gear nor does mgs4. playing as evil war lord committing war crimes for his own sense of justice and all that culminating in big boss fight with young solid snake would be kino but we never got that game
Stood up 3 days straight playing it on release. I liked it a lot even with the flaws.
>>719578525It hurts the sense of setting. Even the Shagohad looks a little too slick for what it is in my opinion, though in general MGS3 feels right. I'm also biased because I like the look of Metal Gear D in particular. PO has the same problem, but I like the look of the sneaking suit in that game if nothing else. TPP's was too eager to recall MGS1's while also missing the point of MGS1's (which is that it's cold as fuck in Alaska).
>>719540442I just replayed that the other day and I enjoyed all of them except Solidus actually. Sword is too fucking janky and he's too easy.
>>719578525Lost technology. You should be familiar with the concept by now.
>>719572821>TLoU2 mogs it both as a TPP shooter and sneaking gamelol. lmao even. Worst take I have ever witnessed on /v/ and that's saying a lot considering all the dumb shit that gets posted here.
Venom > BigBoss
>>719578525That one I don't mind since it literally doesn't work without psychic powers. It's the Peace Walker AI and shit that bothers me.
>>719578910>Raiden has a skull suit>The Patriots AI glitches out into a skull face>Skull Facehuhh???/
>>719562901Would do by best while trying to get to know my old self back.
>>719580376It's true. It's a super smooth and reactive TPS. There isn't a better one on the market. You can seethe about the plot all you want but the gameplay is immaculate and the peak of the genre.
>>719579019It fills me with a phantom pain, Kojimgod…. I kneel. I still love the fuck out of 5 and I’ll replay it occasionally for the rest of my life. I love it flaws and all.
>>719576948>>719577296The reason for an oil platform in both PW and TPP was they were gifted it. Simple as>b-but muh cavesAnd how are you going to operate in Africa from caves?>-b-but muh ship...You'll be forever constrained by the size of the ship
>>719579752Big Boss does go evil in MGSV, it's just you don't get to indulge in the power fantasy of being evil Big Boss. Instead you play as his greatest victim. Which a great idea, though not perfectly executed, but better than most boring fan ideas where you want be edgy child killer African Warlord for 40s hours before playing a remake of MGS1.
>>719578525Sahelanthropus was created by Huey who fucked off after V and never made another Metal Gear. It's also worth pointing out he never shared stuff with anyone and neither ZEKE nor Sahelanthropus survived to be studied/copied. So whatever you see in MG1/2/MGS are just attempts at recreating or even independently creating a Metal Gear from scratch by other people
>>719581861and the wormhole shit?ALSO huey was in the USA. didn't he work?
>>719538534worst open world map ever
>>719538534With how well Delta is doing I sincerely hope they start working on a MG1/MG2 remake. There's nothing really wrong with the MSX titles besides MG1 being kind of bad, but they deserved a remake more than 3, which has had 3 different re-releases on newer platforms in the last 14 years.
>>719582196>With how well Delta is doingalready sold more copies than shit stranding 2 lel
>>719582067>and the wormhole shit?Probably never existed and is just Venom's imagination
>>719582196>>719582269It didn't even break 20k concurrent players. SH2 peaked at like 22 or something and apparently sold 1 mil on PC. Delta sold like shit.
>>719582347but survive
>>719582401Pfft
>>719582364Which Youtube video did you watch that said that it flopped?
>>719582347Venom's imagination allows venom to fulton people without having them be under the open sky now?
>>719569246With the way chinas progressing we're probably gonna get a gook magic engine like decima or fox within a couple years
>>719582473I looked at the numbers. That's all. If it's gonna sell it's gonna sell on consoles.
>>719582196>With how well Delta is doing I sincerely hope they start working on a MG1/MG2 remake.I think they're 10 years too late, as pointed out elsewhere. I think AAA console gaming is dead or dying, and you just are not going to get the kind of mega-hit numbers of sales you used to in the PS2-PS4 era. Fox Engine MG1-2 remakes woiuld ahve been fantastic, just like PS4 FF7 remakes would ahve been grand, but that ship has sailed. "Gamers are over" and it's true now. We're the shrinking minority. The men who played MGSV in 2015? Probably half of them have aged out of gaming with families and jobs and responsibilities. You can only milk neet weirdos for so long.
>>719582539Just like in PW. Honestly for me iDroid or Int-Scope are much, much bigger issues because they are acknowledged by game's characters which makes them more or less real gadgets in the universe, yet in MGS2 Raiden has to use the stupid long range microphone from 1964 for eavesdropping
>>719582539I kinda like Survive just saying fuck it and making wormholes canon
>>719577139Gaming started to die way before the PS4 which was part of the problem.
>Survive sold better than Delta on PlaystationI doubt Xbox is higher by much
>>719583016In terms of popularity and mainstream appeal? PS4 era is still really good, but you see a lot of regression, in places like Japan (which is likely ahead of the curves because of demographics). We're still stuck in the PS4 generation and the PS5 generation more or less didn't even happen.
>>719573720I always found it retarded that snake called himself a demon
>>719582473 The same one that says Elden Ring was a flop because it only had 800k Steam peak. People cling to Steam numbers like they're the gospel truth when the vast majority of console sales don't even show up there. GamePass, PS5 and international retail all skew the picture hard. It's not 2012 anymore, stop acting like Steam Charts are Wall Street financials.
>>719573804This video is so fucking funny
>>719574151Sex with Fragile I wish she was real
>>719538534I have 1200 hours on it.Its okay.
>>719576103Yes, and missions like the one where you recover the not-Stinger, rescue Huey, the Oil Rig one, the one where you infiltrate the abandoned warehouse, or the OKB Zero one are just like that, and the Huey and OKB Zero ones are way harder than GZ.
they shouldve never got rid of codecs. why didnt they just find a way to make it interrupt gameplay less? Like why not let you continue playing with it in the corner or something?
>>719576103Yes, except they had to design a map to contain them and link them together and they're visually constrained by being in a couple of settings with small diversity.
>>719576316>>719576703Or better, instead of repeating what you did before, go balls deep on the milsim aspect and take cues from ArmA 3 and its open world.That's how you make some truly good out of MGSV.You fags only worship GZ because you are a bunch of casuals afraid of any challenge, which is why none of you even mention the utter crime that slow mo cam and regenerating health is.
>>719582832i like to believe that tech kind of just went poof and people had to recreate it over time. no woormhole but we got the invisible shit over and over. Why not use the invis shit for everyone at that point
>>719538756>fuck konami. such a shame they didn't let kojima finish the fucking game.the idiot hack had 5 years
>>719574626Trvke just wish he had more screentime
>>719576103That's a whopping 3 decently sized levels out of what, maybe 50 outposts/bases? Seriously, think about how little playtime is spent infiltrating well designed bases vs how much is spent going to forgettable camp #37And while the layout of those bases is pretty good, they all suffer from absolutely pathetic guard density. Mfinda Oilfield is massive and yet it feels like it is staffed by like 10 guards with tons of empty space inbetween, making stealth trivial. And all of that is made even worse when you return to those places outside a mission and realize that features such as helicopters patrolling and guards on D-Walkers, are completely absent in free roam
>>719576921>evil BBBig Boss was never evil, he was just a jaded warmonger who had no reason to live except fighting wars.The Big Boss at the end of Peace Walker is already the same you see in MG1 and 2, and MGSV just hammered this down when he's shown to have no issue using one of his own soldiers the same way the USA used him and The Boss.
>>719576948>Why were they so shocked that their base from Peace Walker got attackedThey weren't, at the end of PW both Big Boss and Kaz talk about how its just a matter of time before the entire world goes after them.They are mad because of the way it happened, because it was a stab in the back.
Honestly, the core missions are all very solid, and the game only seems to fall apart when you try to do side content, and a bit of Act 2. To this day I still say the game should have been a series of 5 Ground Zeroes type maps plugged between an overworld between them.
>>719576302Huey murdered Strangelove. Waste of a hot woman
>>719563729>Those are Paz's bone shards and teeth stuck in his bodyJesus Christ
>>719577805>I've got a feeling this will go down in history as one of THE best games of all time once people understand what a tragedy it is to have cutscenes play out in video games.which is of course why the jeep ride and generally every single important moment is still in a cutscene
>>719584039>why not let you continue playing with it in the corner or somethingcassettes are essentially this and they're annoying because you're forced to stop before a scripted scene in a mission, but at least they let you pause and resume them later imagine how much more annoying a randomly chosen codec call would be in this scenario
>>719577805in some interpretations and yt essays this might be a correct way of describing V but also fundamentally the biggest problem of kojima as a creator. ever since mgs1 put him on the world stage he wanted to create something else, a non mgs game, something very experimental, personal, groundbreaking, covering topics not usually found in military spy fiction. so he used the existing mgs universe and gave us postmodern take on artificial intelligence in the age of surveillance and algorithms ruling over human society but conveniently repacked it into Solid Snake Simulator where player/raiden relived events from shadow moses island. back in the day I was pissed as fuck about this but later got to appreciate mgs2 for what it was, a brilliant game, just not what I and many other fans expected after mgs1. it was a huge departure from somewhat grounded story of mgs1 covering geopolitics, nuclear weapons and sci-fi military topics (super soldiers and genetical experiments) with anime sensibilities. mgs 3 was the only authentic mainline mgs game he made after mgs1, as the origin of the timeline 3 set the tone and expectations if possible sequels and gave context to the events from 2d games. after mgs3 major success he was cursed to keep making more mgs games, he was pissed he had to work on 4 so he made it into a fuck you statement to fans, mgs 2 didn't really need a sequel or answers to dumb conspiratorial stuff like patriots or eve being snake's mom or vamps superpowers or raiden turning cyborg or ocelot's arm or... even if V were fully completed storywise and uncompromised with kojima's fully realized vision we could glimpse from the trailers it would still be what you've described (just a more granular version of it) which again isn't what mgs for many fans actually is, instead it was what kojima as a creator/auteur wanted to tell to the world at that point. I love death stranding because it was the game he wanted to make since mgs1 days, unshackled and free.
>>719541446This argument is retarded for Elden Ring which legitimately has shit littered everywhere. But MGSV really did feel lacking in some areas that could have very easily been remedied with some easy to include randomized events. The fact that there weren't Walker Gear squads in the overworld after a certain point in the game is criminal.
>hey remember the cute radio support team from MGS3? Well they're the ultimate bad guys of the series.>Oh and the Darpa chief was the black guy and he's dead and Para-Medic, you know the one who had no background in cybernetics and battle suits? Yeah she was Dr. Clark who was killed off screen in MGS. Name a worse twist.
>>719585049Paramedics character assassination pissed me off. What a waste
>>719581536Quite honestly my fandream game for Big Boss is just seeing what Portable Ops started be finally realized in full circle. I want to build my base up, get my super henchmen who get named retarded named like Shoot Gunner, I want Grey Fox, and I want the final mission to be an unwinnable defense against Solid Snake fucking the entire base I built up in the ass.
>>719585101>>719585049And the codec team being the patriots is not only stupid, but it's handled poorly. This really should be the main plot point of MGS4, but it's relegated to the very end, like Kojima forgot how to make MGS3 relevant to the plot of 4 or something and forgot to explain who the patriots were. I also don't totally buy that having the philosopher's legacy = becoming the illuminati.
>>719581182TLoU is the most cookie cutter on rails stealth experience there is. Don't be fooled by smooth animations and straight forward, virtually shallow gameplay mechanics. TPP blows it out of the water with sheer creativity and player agency while still having the same smoothness a decade prior to TLoU2.
>>719581536I get it anon, I like apocalypse now as well but I also fucking love scarface. both stories are timeless, mgs V could have worked both ways but the version we got kinda sucked to be honest.
>>719585120The thing is Kojima has said time and again that he finds telling stories we already know to be boring, and how that's the kind of stuff he would prefer to leave Kojipro do on their own.
>>719584081>go balls deep on the milsim aspect and take cues from ArmA 3>just actively make the game even shittier and stray even farther away from the franchise broCan we brutally murder all milisimmers
>>719585421I don't really care if Kojima makes it. I'm happier with Kojima moving on to something new. In my opinion Portable Ops proved Kojima wasn't necessary for a fun MG game a long time ago, nevermind Rising. Kojima should be making different games rather than sequels all the time.
>>719585508MGSV is already a huge departure from previous Metal Gears, might as well focus on its strengths.MGSV is at its best when you mod it to be as realistic as possible.
>>719585120>I want the final mission to be an unwinnable defense against Solid Snake fucking the entire base I built up in the ass.>Wanting it to all play out as you already knowSounds boring as fuck bro. MGS ain't nothing without it batshit insane anime camp
>>719578002I literally hate the "creator hates his fans" shtick. What the fuck did we do to you? Give you fame and money? My bad.And people lap it up like a battered wife. I deserved it somehow he knows best... Nobody wants a happy ending for the sake of it but the examples you give are just pure spite. Haha you won't be satisfied that's the point! Too far up your own fucking ass. Did Homer subvert fans of the iliads expectations and make the odyssey dog shit slop? This is post modernism faggotry.
>>719581182You are braindead. The last of cucks is a shitty movie. It doesnt even qualify as a game. Both of them.
>>719585120The final mission, or at least the climax of the game, should have been a massive battle between XOF and your entire army.Its weird how Kaz keeps insisting on how you need to make Diamond Dogs strong to take on XOF when Venom does everything on his own.Plus, even the OKB Zero mission implies this>"I'M GONNA NEED BACKUP ON THIS ONE">"A cripple, a nerd and a kid in an unarmed heli, gotcha."
>>719584081>slow mo camCan be turned off and you get rewarded for it>regenerating healthPop-in rations or health pots would have broken GZ and TPP's balance. Especially since airdropping supplies is a thing in a TPP. You could brute force everything. The regenerating health was likely the best choice, considering the regen won't apply if you keep moving or having to administer aid when fully fucked up.
>>719585695Twists for twists sake is boring itself for me
>>719578002>Kojima makes games just to transmit messages>MGS2 in fact has Solid Snake straight up tell you that the plot isnt really important and to find the meaning behind it>retarded fans go "HURR RAIDEN IS GAY WHAT ABOUT THE LORE" even though Metal Gear's lore is non sense that has been retconned in every single game since MG1Of course he was mad, he kept telling you that the story didnt matter and you fags got obsessed with it like DBZ fans who go on about Super Saiyan forms all day even though Toriyama didnt even remember some of them.MGS isnt LOTR, but you treated it like it was for no reason at all.
>>719585978Not if they are well played out. TPP would have been boring if it was just BB breaking bad. Venom was the superior character in every way.
>>719584081my favourite thing from GZ was simply actually carrying PoWs to the helicopterfultoning was fun in PW and fun in MGSV, but the grit of carrying important people yourself to an extraction point was insanely cool. I liked the rapevan in PO more than fultoning ultimately too. But capturing everyone that moves to grow your base is a pain with the more "realistic" methods and it's honestly just frustrating to include both.
I cant enjoy it anymore, its just not as good as the previous games.Its less about stealth and more run and gun with a bunch of gadgetsthe slowmo bullshit is annoying too.
>>719585960>Can be turned off and you get rewarded for itAnd it's obvious the game wasnt made with it in mind.In previous MGS games, and in pretty much every other stealth game, the enemy has to comunicate with others to give the alert, but in MGSV if someone spots you all enemies automatically know where you are.>Especially since airdropping supplies is a thing in a TPPSo remove air supplies, that's another thing that casualized the game.>regenerating health was likely the best choiceIts only a good choice if your game is called Call of Duty.
>>719586140I don't agree on many levels. Quite honestly, it barely matters.
>>719586293The previous games have atrocious gameplay that's interrupted every 5 minutes with some 20 minute long cutscene.There's a reason why, despite selling so much, MGS had zero influence on stealth game design.
>>719586297>no reflex mode>game too hard>reflex mode>game too easyHeh
>>719538534For me its my favourite MGS, even when it comes to the plot, mostly because the main story isnt as full of dumbass jokes as the previous ones.MGS4 was the worst one with this with the obsession with le ebin diarrea guy, its like proto-MCU humor.
>>719586505Johnny and Drebin's monkey are painful to remember
>>719586413It's not that it's hard, because straight up killing everyone is easy (which is why MGSV needed far more realism to it), its that every enemy telepathically knowing where you are is retarded.
>>719586620https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ey86K0WASSQ
I wish they did more with mother base and the whole base building.
>>719586620They shout really loud and only the outpost/guard post you're on gets alerted, other places need to be contacted via radio which can be disabled
>>719586140Is quiet supposed to be traditionally attractive? Shes attractive but in the way that the cute girl working at the grocery store is. Not like Eva in MGS3 or something
all i remember is the giant fire whale, that they used once and never showed again
>>719575764I'm deleted my save file and I'm doing a replay of the game right now. The game is amazing. This game started development in 2013 right? 12 years later and it's still beautiful.
>>719586369MGS4 was dogshit1,2,3 were great
>>719538534I was disappointed with the story at first. Then you realize that Venom is an unreliable narrator and the fragmented way the story was told is genius. Kenji Yano mentioned in an interview about MGS V's story and it's "empty spaces" were player's are given a framework of a story and the rest is for them to fill in. In this way, MGS V becomes a personal experience for each individual player to create their own legend. It's cool because we are seeing events unfold from Venom's distorted perspective. For example the Skulls, the glowing eyes, the fetid skin, vaulting over the terrain in great leaps, even conjuring weapons out of thin air, all of these are the delusions of a brain damaged man. The Skulls no doubt existed, and were no doubt augmented via parasites, but their true appearance was probably more mundane, possibly super soldiers in suits like the parasite outfit DD gets a hold of with some advanced ability but not the exaggeration of what Venom perceived. Sahelanthropus no doubt existed, but it too was probably a piece of junk, with primitive locomotion akin to the Walker Gears, it's whip weapon might have been bits of damaged wiring in reality, it's mechanical roar merely the straining of a metallic frame barely holding together under it's own weight. It was labeled so expendable, that even it's crap DU armor could be put into a meltdown mode and become a walking tactical nuke. Not much in MGS V can be taken at face value, especially in the year where 2+2=5.
>gets chico some pussy before he diesskull face is an alright guy desu
>>719586961Just got done playing it myself. It's hard to believe that a game from ten years ago still looks and plays this good. The controls on Snake are still the smoothest I ever experienced in a third person game.
>>719583904>are way harder than GZ.I agree with this. I still think GZ rates as one of the more tricky missions across both games if you're playing blind or with a poor memory of Camp Omega's layout. Yes, for the most part you recover both Chico and Paz by running through the perimeter, but the density of the map and enemy placement makes sorting that out a little more demanding than it sounds. It's certainly much trickier than anything in MGS3.
>>719562901recruit child soldiers
>>719582196>>719582727>I think they're 10 years too late, as pointed out elsewhere.I honestly think they're 20 years too late for the MG remakes I'd approve of. The best option would have been to tighten them up into something closer to Ghost Babel for the GBA/DS/PSP or something. I think asking for anything more extensive than that is just asking for disappointing and failing to understand what makes the MSX games fun.
>>719574198why should it be a problem? you're representing war criminals and scum in a game, killing is ok but rape isnt for them? lol
>>719583040Over what period of time? Is this initial month sales or lifetime? Survive has been as cheap as something like 5 or 10 dollars and I know a few people that bought it at that price after saying they'd never touch it.
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>>719583904OKB Zero and Central Base Camp as locations are criminally underutilised, I wish there were more missions or at least the locations themselves weren't so barebones in free roam
>>719538534>thought the game was going to be MGS: Heart of Darkness where Big Boss goes off the deep end and starts using child soldiers, torture and assassinations to combat XOF and Cipher>the story of the game is less morally compromising than even MGS3Did Kojima WANT to have child soldiers and they wouldn't let him? Or was it all just for the shot of black kids hanging out on a tank? I mean, it did get pretty dark with Chico being forced to rape Paz in GZ.
>>719588279Is this an actual porno lmao
>literally nothing happens: the game
>>719588279He looked evil as fuck in the nuclear trailer I wonder why they pussied outhttps://youtu.be/Krc1t4HU8GI?si=48gTZ7GN28Nzw70r
>>719588279should have been steph desu
>>719588530it was a ruse from the beginning and we were played like miller.
>>719588279Letting you kill kids is one of the few redlines that warrants an AO rating, and an AO rating means that basically no store, physical or digital, will sell your game.You can depict a child being killed, but its letting it be part of gameplay what gets you the AO.Plus, no big publisher wants to be known as the ones who release games about killing kids.
>>719575374>Game doesn't punish you at all>Forgetting the demon points and if you do enough naughty things the game subtly tells you you're a bad person by coating Venom in bloodstains permanently that can't be washed off and his horn reaching a ridiculous length
>>719588279>less morally compromisingSome of the shadier aspects of the story being relegated to the background is clearly intentional. There's a subcutaneous unease that runs through the game. I also think Kojima was just trying to preserve player agency (hence Venom) or thought that an edgier game of MGSV's length would get oppressive. I'm also not sure what would appease people that wanted a grimdark game though. The idea that Big Boss was an unhinged serial killer that reveled in dead children was never accurate. He was cold and detached from the human cost of war because it was through war that he felt alive. Even in MG2 it's made apparent that Big Boss has an impartial code of honor, which is why he rescues Schneider and engenders fanatic loyalty in people like Sniper Wolf and Gray Fox. He's a villain and a dirtbag but he's not the Joker. Big Boss shrugging off MSF's destruction and ditching on everybody to make something bigger and more dangerous than MSF ever was feels more in line with his depiction in MG2 than what people thought the trailers were setting up.
>>719575136>>719575374The "demon" inside him is Big Boss.Venom is an idealized Big Boss, he's a hero who still follows The Boss' ideals, who ultimately wants world peace and is fine with the idea that maybe someday soldiers won't be needed, maybe he does this because he's not the real Big Boss, just some MSF soldier that idolized him and tries to do what he thinks the Big Boss of legend would do.Those moments when he sees himself all bloody is when he acts like the real Big Boss, and its why at the end, with the timeskip, he sees himself like that and punches the glass, he hates what he's become, the real Big Boss.If Venom was left to his own devices he would have probably been succesful in taking down Cipher.
>>719538534It was shit.https://youtu.be/houDtgBNPCA?si=-3fbJppIS7Gssrv-
