After replaying MGS3 with Delta I am now convinced that this is Kojima at his absolute storytelling and directorial peak. Some may argue MGS2 is more interesting conceptually, but execution wise this is his absolute best.It's amazing how free this game is from his usual hang-ups. It's a game filled with the usual Kojima bullshit, but its the cheesy and charming kind, not the patronizing or annoying kind. It's simulationusly his funniest but also his most emotionally poignant game. To this day it's the only game ending that has ever made me cry. Much like MGS1, MGS3 is a game that feels well balanced. It's not overly self-indulgent or lopsided, but I would argue MGS3 shows his growth as a writer and storyteller.The worst thing I can say about MGS3 is that the opening is a bit slow compared to MGS2's great prologue, but otherwise this is the Kojima game where everything just "clicked".
>>719540193I'm not reading all that
>>719540403>tfw 200 word school essay by tomorrowIts over
Kojima said he thought MGS3 was his best work and said its the one he wants new players to start with
>>719540193A video game made you cry? lol
>>719540193Kojima is a hack and MGS1 is a fluke that was only so successful because he was kept in check. Every other game he's put out is dogshit, and you have to be legitimately retarded to think that MGS3 isn't overly self-indulgent.
Konami giving a Kojima a slap on the fingers for MGS2 being too weird is probably why MGS3 is so good. Instead of trying to reinvent the wheel he refined and improved.
>>719540618>and you have to be legitimately retarded to think that MGS3 isn't overly self-indulgent.It's easily his most approachable and fun work. The James Bond influence really gives it more of a campy vibe
>>719540467Yeah yeah, stay in school, listen to your parents, and don't watch R-rated movies.
>>719540867Its over, I can't stop browsing my feed
>>719540193Gears of War is the only game to pull off the "gray, brown, depressing" atmosphere
>>719541148good thing mgs3 isn't trying to be that at all then
>>719540687This is right. MGS2 was an incoherent mess that pseudointellectuals cite as deep and amazing when in reality they lied to customers and told people that passing on their genes wasnt that important. What a disaster.
>>719540193MGS3 is what happens when Kojima just tries to make a solid story and game with very little baggage weighing it down besides call forwards. Yeah, it's starting the franchise off as the ultimate prequel to everything, but the game is so standalone in its delivery that you don't need to play other titles to enjoy it, and it's built with this in mind by just having cheeky references and connections that don't solely define it. MGS1 kinda has that but it's also a soft remake of MG2, MGS2 functionally relies on MGS1 despite how separated it is for several major elements and got so far up its own ass, and MGS4 as so utterly inundated with having to be a conclusion that it can't exist whatsoever on its own, the entire plot is reliant on the rest of the series.Ironically by being so standalone, Kojima didn't get to go so far up his own ass and sock puppet his bullshit. And it helps the game immensely.
> What a thrill......
MGS3 is probably so good because it pulls heavily from 60/70's films. Its not some deep post-modern deconstruction, but not some braindead "dude just turn your brain off lmao" shit either. Just an action/thriller with a good story and some exciting set pieces. Its just damn SOLID
Makes it all the more upsetting he got raped by Hollywood into making walking sims.To be fair he turned into a cringe Communist apologist sucking off Che Guevara. (Who wanted to secure nukes & actually use them btw) Working on peace walker.
>>719544475>To be fair he turned into a cringe Communist apologist sucking off Che Guevara. (Who wanted to secure nukes & actually use them btw) Working on peace walker.PW is the game that shows us BiBo turning evil howeverthethough
>>719544556No it didn't. He's still a good guy throughout.
>>719544614>outright rejects the idea of peace and arms MSF with nukesNo, he's definitely bad by the end
MGS3 was a successful return to the form, after the misstep that was MGS2 and its silly nonsense. It really feels like the devs had fun crafting it.DELTA still sucks, and I've not forgiven Jewnami.>>719540193>The worst thing I can say about MGS3 is that the opening is a bit slow compared to MGS2's great prologueDid people just magically "forget" about the nonstop Codec spam at the start of the Big Shell? The first hour or two are literally filled with exposition and tutorials.>>719544475>Makes it all the more upsetting he got raped by Hollywood into making walking sims.He didn't.Death Stranding is a great VIDEO GAME, and his greatest work since MGS3 and PW.>To be fair he turned into a cringe Communist apologist sucking off Che GuevaraOf course an ADHD zoom zoom Burger would take it like that, and fail to see it from the point of the small nations stuck between the feet of the two superpowers.
>>719540193>plot only happens at the start and the end>KINOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOmeanwhile in MGS1 and MGS2 you actually get a story that develops while you play them
>>719540193I loved MGS4 as kid but could never get into 3 because I rented it from a video store once and just got immediately filtered.Is this remake really worth picking up?
>>719540193>It's amazing how free this game is from his usual hang-upsIt's 100% guilty of attempting to completely rewrite and make irrelevant the motives of like half of the cast at the tail end of the game in a way that just isn't interesting.The whole narrative rests on whether or not you give a fuck about what The Boss is trying to do with the philosopher's legacy, everything ends up revolving around her and if you don't find the twist compelling, it's just a big eyeroll.The narrative peak of Metal Gear remains MGS1.Narratively:MGS1 > parts of MGS5 > MGS2 > MGS3 > the rest of MGS5 > dogshit >> MGS4.
>>719546120>Most of the game is just a cool enjoyable action movie with espionage undertones>At the end everything is revealed and the role of Ocelot, EVA and the Boss are totally recontextualized>Now you get a great replay where you notice all the subtle foreshadowingYup, thats why MGS3's is kino. Its good without tryharding
>>719546120Yeah the only thing of relevance that happens is when Volgin pulled out the Legacy, nothing else really mattered. Compare that to MGS2 where literally every time Ocelot shows up, the story takes a whole different turn.The game is a bit light on the story but it works well enough. That's why people only ever bring up the ending debriefing and nothing else. Unfortunately MGS4 took cues from this too and they end up with the infamous Big Boss plot dump at the end of that game. It makes it feel like everything that happened is just to have something on the screen because at the end they spell out everything for you.
>>719546485Uh, why didn't Ocelot just let snake in on the score at any point?That was what he was supposed to do originally, wasn't it?
I think David Hayter's performance in MGS3 is atrocious.
>>719540193You sound like you like it more because it's dumber. Big Boss games are dumbed down for morons like him.
>>719547165Idiots admire complexity because they're impressed by what they don't understand. Smart people admire simplicity because its stuff reduced to its purest form
>>719546861because that would complicate things even further, he couldn't risk jeopardizing his position with an unknown factor at play. which is why he does his best to kill Snake every time he shows up, to help him complete the mission... that makes sense, right?
>>719547061Blame the voice director, he sounds fine in MGS1.
>>719540193if you seriously believe mgs3 is the best mgs youre a subhuman drone
>>719547320He's also shown in interviews that he can still do the cleaner MGS1 Snake voice. The gravel tone is just what they seem to want from him.
Awful and objectively false opinion. MGS peaked with 2 and took a huge nosedive after that.
>>719547409Thats MGS2 zoomers who "played" the game by watching tiktoks of the Arsenal gear scenes
>>719547298>he couldn't risk jeopardizing his position with an unknown factor at playBut then that just leaves an unknown factor in the loop that can jeopardize things worse - and it does! There are numerous opportunities for Eva to have completely fucked up the entire thing!She knows she's not the inside man- what if she spilled the beans to Volgin about that?Between Ocelot and the woman he's fucking, who would he have believed?
>>719544475Death Stranding is better than MGS3 though
>>719547298
>>719544989extremely low IQ post and you should think about killing yourself.
>>719547693its to help big boss not solidsolid didnt even know boss was still aliveocelot and eva wanted to make sure that solid destroyed the patriots' ai so that boss wakes up
>>719540193In other words it's boring, safe, unambitious therefore perfect entertainment with mass appeal. That's why it was the first game to get a cashgrab remake.
>>719547298Also the whole 'the boss needed to be killed by snake so the US has deniability' angle - okay the philosopher's legacy is still gone - I guess the plan was to have a completely unknown element like Eva enter the equation so they could blame china for stealing it- before they even knew this would happen- and they just all knew that this is what she going was there to do.So why not just steal it using the boss, get her back and then blame the chinese anyway?
>>719548067>ocelot and eva wanted to make sure that solid destroyed the patriots' aiok so how does giving him gigacancer, burning him alive, ramming him with a battleship and many others were supposed to help him do that
>>719548246Because this whole story makes no fucking sense anyway.
>>719548312Uh he had to hypnotize himself to fool the patriots for some reason and that involved doing things which would completely jeopardize the mission if even the slightest thing went wrong.
>>719548312MGS4 is just a massive piece of shit, literally just a game where stuff just happens because REFERENCE and FANS WILL RECOGNIZE THISThe only logical defense one can make of it is that its a piece of shit on purpose as a fuck you to fans. Which is funny but doesnt make it good
>>719540193What it made me realize is, the actual gameplay part of the game didn’t evolve since MGS1 whatsoever. I love the bosses but holy shit, each boss fight is borderline retarded>>719548312Good question A lot of this feels „all according to plan“ feels so hamfisted
maybe i should start my annual playthrough of the series
>>719548546MGS1 and MGS2 mostly make sense- at least I can't think of any incredibly blatant plot holes like this in them.
>>719548616>A lot of this feels „all according to plan“ feels so hamfistedmost of which are only isolated to MGS3 and MGS4
>>719540521does getting teary eyed count?
>>719548579>that involved doing things which would completely jeopardize the mission if even the slightest thing went wrong.To be fair MGS1 also has this problem. Liquid's plan literally involves Snake suceeding but he tries to kill him throughout the game
The biggest problem is I cant bang The Boss or Eva in the game.
>>719548718>Liquid's plan literally involves Snake suceedingRun me through that one, I haven't played it in a while.
>>719546120shut the fuck up you dumb faggot all of them are good
>>719548830No, 4 is genuinely bad and so is twin snakes.
>>719548776Dont you bang eva at the end of the game?
>>719540467>had to write an essay in the final exams>wrote about internet message boards and shitposting/trolling and how it's all slowly seeping into reality, making people act more and more retarded>mfw I got an A
>>719540193https://youtu.be/OQOB8iHOM70?t=15622
>>719548803they don't have the password to REX so they trick Snake into activating it
>>719540193after the first volgin fight the game takes a nosedive in qualityall those mechanics thrown out the window for a railroaded action sequence which takes up a fifth of the game
>>719540828>muh campy comic book slop! muh quirky lovable scrimblo snake who loves to eat food and make funny sounds!
>>719548883Not explicit enough, I need to them tits bouncing son.
>>719547061Peak Hayter is Sons of Liberty Hayter.
>>719541420>old people that passing on their genes wasnt that important.MGS2 never said that. It said that there's more that someone can pass on to future generations than impregnating a female.
>>719548996Right, I forgot the darpa chief was decoy octopus, I had misremembered it as just kind of a happy accident for liquid that it worked out that way.Would have made more sense.
>>719549110This but unironically. Kojima isnt good enough of a writer to create realistic believable characters, his view of america and english is too flanderized due to only consuming movies. He should stick to a stylized comic book vibe it works the best for him
>>719549036This is correct. Right after the first Volgin fight is where the game completely and irredeemably shits itself. Almost everything after that is needlessly self-indulgent, intolerably over the top, laughably unrealistic, and padded to shit. And the Ocelot plot twist works only the first time through the game. On replays you see just how absurd it is, particularly going out of his way to stop him.
>>719547693Imagine being a brown speedreader like you, couldn't be me.
>>719547720extremely low IQ post and you should kill yourself.
>>719547693why was mgs4 so shit
>>719547061...Atrocious? Urgh
>>719547448It's not the voice, it's the acting
>>719546861Ocelot is never alone with Snake. Even in the MIG, where he's having fun because he's already won, Eva is there flying the plane.
>>719549118Only late game, no one even tries to act in the tanker chapter
>>719540193I wonder who actually wrote MGS2
>>719550565Agness Kaku because the english version is a fanfic
>>719550565The chick who did the english translation basically did a giant hit piece on why Kojima is a bad writer kek
>>719540193Metal Gear Solid 1 is his absolute peak, and Metal Gear Solid 3 is a cheap knock-off of it
>>719550706It's a cheap knock off of Metal Gear 2 just like every game in the series
>>719548246The idea I think is that the Legacy is top secret and meanwhile, Khrushchev just needs Snake to kill the Boss to create a political narrative. There's two Russian factions. The Volgin hardliners lose (ending the nuke threat) and the Khrushchev government loses the Legacy but stays in power
>>719550958>Khrushchev just needs Snake to kill the Boss to create a political narrativeAll they would need to do is have the boss kill Volgin after getting the legacy and then say 'sorry, deep cover, worked out for you anyway didn't it?'Kremlin will be pissed either way, Kremlin was already pissed.
>>719550483He's never alone because he always fucking calls his cheerleaders to be with him. He could have went to Rassvet on his own. He could have ambushed him alone after the Bolshaya base. He could have waited a bit at the prison to have a chat. He could have caught up to him in the sewers without siccing the whole base and dogs on him.
>>719551146Dangerous and probably counterproductive. Real political movements can't be ended like that. The nameless soldiers in Groznyj Grad are presented as loyal to Volgin iirc
>its not self indulgent>its not patronizing or annoyingdid you play the game? patronizing and annoying dialogue happens before you even pick up the controller
>>719548246That WAS the plan, until Volgin fired the nuke at the start of the game. The Boss was fucked at that point because she was the one who brought it to him in the first place. EVA was never accounted for by either countries. The Boss just had to improvise to make sure she didn't end up with the Legacy.
>>719551359Kruschev just paints Volgin as a foreign collaborator that got hoisted by his own petard, honestly it makes more sense than what they actually did where it all gets blamed on a wild card agent gone rogue- why would that be more believable than the former?
>>719551330He has to keep cover (and the goofy personality is part of that). You have to handwave what all he has to do a little. It would've been a nice touch to make it so that ocelot never actually shoots at you during the Shagohod escape sequence. But also think about how Snake would've reacted to having been told that Boss is actually loyal to her country. Would he still have busted his ass to kill her? The ending, and his whole character arc after that, suggests he would not take it so well
>>719540193>MGS3 is that the opening is a bit slowLol "a bit slow". 1h opening, 50 minutes of which are pure cutscenes. Then the game asks you to go back to the same identical place in another cutscene, you repeat the same shit and get your ass whopped in a cutscene AGAIN by the boss. It was stupid as fuck, both in terms of gameplay and story.>not the patronizing or annoying kindIt has the same exact thing as prior games. If you call para-medic once, you already heard 100% of her codec calls. It's either "teehee my lovely japan movie reference" or "UGH SNAKE, UGH UGH, YOU LIEK JUNGLE FOOD? UGH ugh ugh..."Not only that, but her VO probably is the most phoned in voice acting I ever heard in MGS, if you call her after collecting like 5 different animals then she will sound completely different in 5 codex calls, she didn't give a fuck about consistency at all.
Why didn't Volgin just fry everyone with his dunder? Is he stupid?
>>719547061This is one thing I don't get. The actor that did the japanese boice for Snake was never told to do a gruff voice. He sound identical as Solid and Big Boss but in the english version Kojima not only told them to do a gruff voice he than later replace Hayter with Keifer claiming it is needed but never did anything like that in the japanese version. Solid in MGS4 talking to BB is hilarious in the japanese version.
>>719551693Might be impossible if it's Khrushchev's word against somebody the boys in uniform know as an ultrapatriot. Ultimately it is historical fiction (with lots of the fiction) and you have to take the "US must kill Boss" thing as given. The codec call between Lyndon Johnson and Khruschev sets it up early.
>>719552208Khrushchev was a war hero and one of the original bolshevik commanders. Nothing Volgin could do would ever overshadow him.
>>719551678>That WAS the plan, until Volgin fired the nuke at the start of the game. No, those bases being destroyed was factored into the plan already, the pentagon wanted the research and researchers eliminated.Both of those could pretty safely be blamed on Volgin on the Russian side and covered up on the American side.>EVA was never accounted for by either countries.Well Ocelot pretty much immediately clocks her as a spy, so he had ample time to get her out of the picture as an unknown and a direct threat to the mission.
>>719552473Volgin has lightning powers
>>719551820Para medic being preachy and Snake messing with her is funny though
>>719552208>Ultimately it is historical fiction (with lots of the fiction) and you have to take the "US must kill Boss" thing as given.Sure, my problem here stems from the fact that Snake's role in the story could easily be written out and it would be basically the same plot but you just play as the Boss- the whole plot revolves around her anyway and the only purpose this serves is to have a twist at the end that totally deprives Snake of coming to any grips with the Boss as anything other than 'She defected so I have to come to terms with the fact that I have to kill her.'Instead everything is about the motives of the Boss and her character at the end of the day- a character we spend very little time with.
>>719552208>Might be impossible if it's Khrushchev's word against somebody the boys in uniform knowAlso, no, pretty easy the minute you tell them he nuked their own guys.
>>719540193kojima just plagiarized ninja scroll and put it in a cold war setting LMAO
>>719552516Volgin fired the nuke, it's onscreen clear as day. Volgin and Snake are the two patsies the whole game. I don't think anything in the game ever indicates that anyone else thought Volgin would do that. He's a pure ideologue madman throwing gas on fires knowing it helps him on average
>>719540193MGS3 definitely has the best ending, but everybody knows if you had to choose which to make a movie it would be MGS1, it had the best scenario writing that was never matched. And I'm only going to give a slight edge to MGS3 on how likeable the characters are.
>>719552208The first thing Volgin says after picking up the nuke launcher was "it won't be me that pulled the trigger hehe", I'm not sure how this is even a point of contention. Khrushchev even said everyone fucking loves Volgin so he can't do shit.
What censorship and changes were made in Delta?So far I know they removed Sigint saying "shit" with "crap," reduced Eva's jiggle physics, some AI alterations to voice lines... what else?
I don't get it. If such a large portion of the game is centered around narrative (which I'm fine with) then why is the dialogue so bad? It's nearly all exposition. There's literally no subtext. Every character has to explain, in excruciating detail, their emotions, their motivation, the role they play in the plot. It feels like it was written for children, despite being rated M.
>>719552936>The first thing Volgin says after picking up the nuke launcher was "it won't be me that pulled the trigger hehe"He says that believing that The Boss is a genuine defector and there aren't three spies right next to him who could all easily have been collecting evidence of him doing it personally.Kruschev would at the very least have direct evidence that Volgin was working with an American and that the nukes used were not theirs.
Is Volgan supposed to be retarded? The Boss could not have made it more obvious that she was a double agent trying to protect Snake. Why did he trust her so much?
>>719552680Well yeah no one would ever accuse Kojima of parsimony. Still you would lose a lot with that plot; much is not about the Boss. Even if she were someone unimportant to Snake, he's still been badly deceived by his country and even by eva. So you still have much of his arc, you still have ocelot and the boss-character quietly figuring out eva's plan etc.
>>719540193MGS1 and 3 have always been the only good MGS games. MGS2 is not even a good game, 4 is 90% cut-snces, Peacewalker has most tedious level design and borderline unplayable. MGSV is a pretty nice glorified tech demo. Only MGS1 and 3 are the full package.
>>719552742Who's gonna believe him? You have a native model of politics
>>719553128He said he believed Johnson's explanation, but it wouldn't matter because he'd have to relay that to Volgin's similarly trigger-happy friends.
>>719553387Eva has a pinhole camera in on her uniform, why not ocelot?"Hey ocelot, show them the picture of Volgin firing the nuke at that base"Ocelot even has cover as a Russian soldier!
>>719550627She's actually retarded. She was boasting and seething about how kojima didn't understand what powerful state conspiracies were actually like as she did, over a video game with giant robots, a vampire, doctor octo, and a guy in a bomb suit on roller skates that drinks cocktail with a straw. As if kojima was japanese tom clancy or something.
>>719553338A faggot gooner like you would have that opinion. Mgs2 has the best gameplay and it isnt even close. Neck yourself.
>>719553474You could write that story but that's not this story. I think it's realistic that in a power struggle, a military hardliner like Volgin would stand to benefit from nuclear panic, and that he'd know this fact himself
>>719553494If she translated MGS2 as it was written people would have sooner realize what a hack he is. Thanks to yes men we got shit like Princess Beach and the end result was DS2 bombing and being forgotten a week after release.
>>719544989>Did people just magically "forget" about the nonstop Codec spam at the start of the Big Shell? The first hour or two are literally filled with exposition and tutorials.to be fair, it being this way makes a lot of sense narratively. it makes the game on annoying on first playthroughs, sure, but subsequent ones you know what you can skip.
Is Legacy mode intentionally made to feel like shit? It doesn't even fully commit to it, half of the buttons work the way they do in New Style but at half speed while the other half behaves the way they did in the original but they're all in the wrong place.
>>719553748You can't skip some of the bomb disposal instructions oddly enough. Plus when you skip cutscenes in MGS2, everything after Fatman appears is stupid bullshit
>>719553598>a military hardliner like Volgin would stand to benefit from nuclear panicSure, but in relation to the boss angle, I don't think it would be believed that an American spy just happened to go rogue and forgive America any more than they would be inclined to if evidence of Volgin's corruption was procured after the fact via the Boss herself instead of 'we need the boss as a scapegoat'From the American perspective this actually just implicates them and requires a retaliation much more than sticking to 'yeah it was just that crazy volgin guy, aren't you glad we dealt with him?'Why wouldn't the americans just do that if they would realistically catch shit from the boss's involvement anyway?
>>719551989i think volgin is actually a little stupid. and thats okay. not all villains need to be evil genius, they just have to be evil
Tell me the censorship and unnecessary changes in Delta
>>719552516>No, those bases being destroyed was factored into the plan already, the pentagon wanted the research and researchers eliminated.>Both of those could pretty safely be blamed on Volgin on the Russian side and covered up on the American side.The issue isn't the destruction of a facility, its that a nuke was used that was delivered by the american that defected to volgin's group, thus america's fault optically and gives the USSR leverage to say they will start a war over this or some faction in the USSR will over the offense. And it doesn't even matter if the USSR thinks the boss or volgin in particular did it. The USSR wants them both dead, they can demand it, so they did. There's no logic in the USSR telling the americans they can bring the boss home and wipe her hands after she provided the nuke.
>>719554232A LITTLE?
>>719553648Did the translators for MGS1 and 2 save kojima too?The much better theory is the other whats his name that left before MGS4 was saving the series.
>>719554278>The issue isn't the destruction of a facility, its that a nuke was used that was delivered by the american that defected to volgin's groupRight, my point in bringing this up is to demonstrate that Boss was intended to be the scapegoat from the beginning, and that wasn't just improvised because Volgin decided to bomb the base- that was already priced in.>There's no logic in the USSR telling the americans they can bring the boss home and wipe her hands after she provided the nuke.But there is logic in the Americans doing it anyway.
>>719554403this trope is kino and you know it
>>719540193>To this day it's the only game ending that has ever made me cry.What a baby.
theyre gonna remaster 1 then 2 right?delta3 gamesstart with 3
Prequel game with stories like volgin originLes enfant terribles stuffThat thing
>>719554460>Boss was intended to be the scapegoat from the beginningare you talking about Peace Walker? I know that this guy, whose name escapes me at the moment, was responsible for that
>>719548860correct but i was talking about 1-3
>>719553904That just means it was always shit, chud! also I didn't play the whole game in this mode but in the fight against the boss I was able to crouch walk, does it really allow that in legacy mode?
>>719554802It does but at much slower speed compared to modern mode, same with crawling
The true villain of MGS3 is revealed to be Lyndon Johnson which is fucking based. Anyone who hates MGS3s story is immediately suspected of being a glownigger
if the ue5 slop would run better okbut this SHIT crashes so much, sub 50fps on a 5080fuck this
>>719555061It was always designed around 30fps, 60 goes against creatividad's vision
>>719555193i can emulate mgs4 at 120fps anon
>>719555218Why would you do that? Are you some kind of transsexual weirdo?
>>719554994I don't think I've ever heard a negative portrayal of Johnson listed as a criticism so I think your suspicions are unfounded.
>>719555284its a good game
>>719555193The original MGS 3 would hit 60fps on the PS2, and the Steam version of MGS 3 stays on 60fps most of the time
>>719555348>The original MGS 3 would hit 60fps on the PS2in the menus, gameplay is locked at 30>and the Steam versionis bluepoint trashfire demaster with broken AI because of the framerate
>>719553286He respected her as The Boss. He even backed down when she went towards him in anger that one time so he knew she was strong. He probably respected her enough that he was allowing her to deal with her own protege how she wanted. Also yeah Volgin was a little dumb. Hes a big brute military man. Not a smart schemer.
>>719553904>try Legacy mode>MK22 doesn't have the travel drop anymore
Still mad. I'll be mad for life.
>>719540193I love MGS3 the only problem I have with it is that I don't actually care for The Boss, nor am I invested in their relationship at all because it's all "Tell" and no "Show" the game begins with story exposition hammering it into your head that they have a history and love each other and then a betrayal comes within the first 30 minutes and it has just never hit me. I also think she's a boring character, she has good screen presence but I'm not invested in her as a person. So when I watch that ending, I'm not sad for her, or for their relationship, or anything like that. It's just sad because to Big Boss it's a loss, but its not one we ever felt. I'm way more invested in Eva by the time that game is wrapping up, I remember the first time I played it, I was actually stressed when she got fucked up in the bike crash, like really hoping she makes it, because with Snake and Eva you actually do get to see their relationship form throughout the game.
>>7195406184contrarian
>>719548312FUCK YOU REX VS RAY WAS KINO. FIST FIGHTING OCELOT WAS KINO WHILE THE SUN WAS SETTING WAS KINO.
>>719556079>THE WALK with Norman Reedus>but it's in le spoopy ghost town!Go back.
>>719556408dont know what this means mate
>>719540193>the game is good because it made me HECKIN cry!I plan to play all of these games eventually but you are an unbelievable faggot.
Did anyone else notice that surpressor pickups are significantly rarer in Delta compared to the original?Maybe I’m imagining things, but if that was there, that was a great change.
MGS3 makes midwits seethe because their brains are rotted from too much deconstruction and post-modernism (of which Kojima himself is partly to blame) It's just a good honest game, and earnesty is something people can't handle anymore. Everything needs some kind of subversive twist now.
>>719556079>>719556408It seems pretty clear to me that the still mothers and baby concept we got in Death Stranding was 100% going to play a part in the story of his Silent Hill game.
>>719556781I had plenty of suppressors by the end but only because I couldn't find any fucking ammo seriously what the fuck
>>719556854MGS3 is quite subversive though, since the end twists recontextualise everything, and BB ends the story a broken man.
>>719556854First blood > hambo 2Faggot
>>719556854Bit ironic when mgs3 also leans on a twist
It is a perfect trilogy, I don't mind any order, if 3 is your favorite then you got a million good reasons for it to be that. They're all goated For me 1 is the best, because Shadow Moses cannot be beat, the atmosphere is as strong as it ever was and no game in the franchise since then has been able to top that. 1 also has the strongest set of characters. I think about 2 the most, it's the most interesting game of them all and the most artistic but with time I've found that 1 is the one I gravitate for overall. 3 is the most well rounded one, where they figured out some quirks and got the pacing down both in terms of story and gameplay.
>>719558265>trilogy
>>719558265I love the atmosphere and music of MGS1 I just can't get into the gameplay, its hard for me to go back to many old PS1 games because you can really feel how devs hadn't really figured out 3D gameplay yet. (Spyro still plays like a dream though)
>>719540193Wtf is that gun?
>>719540193finally I can enjoy the storytelling because they paid some jeets to make soulless unreal engine 5 gwafixwhen are they gonna start doing this for cinema
>>719560448a cut down m16a1 with a drum mag and some modifications
>>719540193It is. I think everyone agrees. And unfortunately, he's only become more self indulgent in the worst ways ever since. 4 was extremely long-winded with far more cutscenes than gameplay, 5 is incoherent and unfinished, and the less said about Death Stranding 1 and 2 the better. I sincerely hope that Death Stranding 2 bombing makes him do some self reflection and change course for future games.
Is anyone having issues with a bit of input delay in Delta?Character movement in MGS games usually feels pretty tight, but I feel like controlling Snake in Delta is kinda sluggish, like they've tried to add a kind of weight to him?Unsure if it's to do with my graphics settings or if it's just like that.
>>719560715UE5 has some input lag I think, but I suspect the big problem is that they made the game more animation heavy, Snake's new roll for example had this transition animation between running and the actual roll, which makes it slightly delayed
How do I give myself autism so I can discuss MGS at length with you guys I always feel left out
>>719540193>cried to mgs3 endinglmaoBoss is a shit character and her dying didnt even make me sad
>>719560359>I just can't get into the gameplayI appreciate the simplicity of it and I kind of like not being able to aim in first person view. There's something nice about how pure and arcadey the stealth is in it, what's less than ideal is having to go into FPV to scout enemies out or staring at the soliton radar. The game really should have some movable camera feature, not talking a 3d camera but like letting you slide the camera around with the 2nd analog stick to look for enemies, it'd improve the flow a lot, I believe OG Snake Eater had that exact feature, MGS1 would benefit a lot from it.
>>719540193>It's not overly self-indulgent
he played MGS3 safe. that's why it's the "go-to" when normies try to pretend they like Kojima games. it's a good game, but when I think Kojima, it's the thing that comes to me.
>>719561995iirc japan got an exclusive MGS1 re-release that let you move around and play the game in first person
>>719540403this
jesus christ why the fuck did they remove the goddamn flashbang glitch this nigger cunt is cancer incarnate
>>719556079Game stopped being spooky and mysterious when they showed the Hollywood man's face, it was better off dead
>>719547467obsessed with zoomers award
Is Delta actually good? Seen less complaints about it than other remakes on release.
>>719562351It's far from perfect, feels almost like a hack. It's also in the PC port.
>>719562351Yeah I know, but that's the exact opposite of what I want.
Goddamn grozny NW on extreme is ridiculous trying to sneak through with nothing
>>719563280It depends on what you want in a game. If you are the kind to obsess over performance then its mid but as a game its great. The new style made me like this more than mgsv and mgs3
>>719563280It's pretty good, the cutscenes are fun to watch again with the new coat of paint and gameplay-wise they somehow made it so that the game isn't completely trivialized with the faster aiming and shooting. CQC is a bit janky especially holdups, generally a step back from MGSV but I reckon its for balance purposes.If you do get it, turn on the legacy filter and do NOT play on legacy mode, shit is so ass.
Is it selling well?
>>719540828What's Bond-like about it specifically?
>>719569041retarded villainquirky henchmentheme songthat's about it, pre-dalton 007 was cancer anyway, only lazenby's film was good
>>719563280It’s above average. Anyone who tells you it’s one of the best games ever made however is full of shit.
