Finally, Morrowind will have, good combathttps://youtu.be/n89NFtIUWDI?si=K7poqOba8hwY1mIw
>>719543571impressive, but pointless
>>719543571he gotta redo the red mountain atmosphereit looks calmer than aldruhn
>>719543781All video games are pointless.
>>719543571Is it OpenMW compatible??
>>719543924>"all video games are pointless"
>>719543781fpbp
>>719543571But why?I would be much more interested in seeing Elden Ring ported to Morrowinds engine so that it could finally have good gameplay.
>>719543571I like it
>>719544394What's the point of pong?
>>719545578>Clicking on enemies 30 times is good gameplay.
Those are my lifetime top 2 games but I'd honestly prefer ER in MW engine
>>719546212Yes.Plus it allows there to be more varied character builds and roleplaying than Elden Ring ever had.
>>719546308>click on enemies 30 times with sword>click on enemies 30 times with mace>click on enemies 30 times with axe>click on enemies 30 times with spellYea the build variety is incredible, the decisions you make change up the gameplay so much.
>>719546527>dodge left and right while slashing with sword>stab with spear while kiting enemy>quickly move in and stab with knife and quickly escape enemy's range>take a while to slowly hit enemy with warhammer and stagger them into an undodgable position where you can smite them
>rollslop>good
>>719544394Lolmad
>>719543571the map is too small
>>719546527I see you haven't played Morrowind before. You should because it's great fun.OpenMW is acceptable way to play the game but beware that increasing draw distance too much will make even a relatively modern PC cry. If you're a hoe about graphics then there's a volymetric fog mod (Zesterer's Volumetric Cloud & Mist Mod) out there that actually looks really nice while retaining the games original atmosphere.Have fun, broski. Kinda jealous that I won't ever be able to experience the game for the first time again.
>>719546759That can all be done in ER lmao
>>719546212>>719546527I'd say this is an IQ issue but if your 100% strength and weapon skill grug build damage was still that low, you simply wouldn't have the defensive stats to survive a combat encounter that long unless you were playing on god mode.
>>719543571actionslop combat is worse than RPG combat though
>>71954689730 is an exaggeration for comedic effect, the fact that it's lost on you really says something.
He's not gonna put all the quests, NPCs, original enemies into the game.Modders were able to port AC6 maps into Elden Ring, but gave up on porting ennemies because the AI scripts worked differently (same engine btw)
>>719545808>where's that slave....
>>719546771>Narsis being the assIt checks out, fuck the Hlaalu.
>>719546878I actually have played the game before, the gameplay is absolutely atrocious. The only way to derive any value from it is to treat it like a visual novel and immerse yourself in the story. It doesn't help that it's also full of pointless fetch quests, it's just not a very good game in my opinion.
>>719546896What can you do in ER that you can't in Morrowind anyway? Roll spam and QTE backstabs?
>>719546308Just draw a monster on paper and imagine whatever you want, dwag.>>719546897>just tap on weaker enemies first.
>>719547182Bro I gave you an out but you chose to remain underneath the bus.
I think the MorrowindFagsike their game so much that they stop seeing any flaws and start counting issues as great designIt's also commonly seen among FromSoft fanboys.
>>719547182>Fetch quests>Bad gameplayIf you're going to lie about playing a game at least watch a bit of a lets play so you can somewhat know what you're talking about.
>>719547359This happens to literally any "classic" game that zoomers/genalpha grew up hearing good things about but never got around to playing.Also if you're talking about the diceroll combat in Morrowind, there's literally nothing wrong with it.
>>719546173Having a fun time with a friend/family member.Its entertainment, thats its point, does it entertain?So on the topic: if the mod doesnt make the gameplay of the original entertaining, its a pointless entertainment product
>>719547290>>719547390Sorry but my standards just aren't as low as yours.
actionfags are ruining games because they think gameplay=combat (which should always be either like DMC or like Souls)these faggots ruined Skyrim modding scene too, imagine if it actually got mods that fixed the lack of RPG mechanics in that game instead of turning it into a shitty korean action game
>>719546173its table tennis but it doesn't take up any space and you don't need to set up a table or have access to paddles or new pingpong balls whenever you want to play a game.
>>719546527>>click on enemies 30 times with sword>>click on enemies 30 times with mace>>click on enemies 30 times with axe>>click on enemies 30 times with spellAnon, you're literally describing Elden Ring.
>>719546527>>click on enemies 30 times with sword>>click on enemies 30 times with mace>>click on enemies 30 times with axe>>click on enemies 30 times with spellanon...you are literally abstracting the combat and calling it the whole packageyou literally can do the same abstraction to every game out there and arrive at the same description
>>719546967So if you refuse to do anything but stand still and light attack an enemy, how many strikes does it take in ER? How about in Morrowind?What's the count that makes gameplay good and what exactly does your experiment say about build variety and decisions?
>>719547485Play a game before you try to discuss it next time, gay Romanian.
>>719547885>gay Romanian.Oh fuck, it is him, isn't it?Imagine being so butthurt you waste decades of your life trying to "discredit" a game, and "prove" people can't really enjoy something you don't care for. As if everyone is suddenly going to scream how wrong they were for having a different opinion to this sperg.I love 4chan, but this place attracts some seriously messed up little retards too.
>HOW DOES SOMEONE PLAY MY FAVORITE GAME AND NOT LIKE IT??? IT'S LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE, HE CAN'T HAVE PLAYED IT! AAAAAHHHHHHThis is how you sound
>>719547838It's a cheap way to get the point across, explaining why something is overly simplistic and not at all engaging to someone that thinks it is engaging and complex is basically impossible anyway. The best I can do is make a joke and hope that someone reading it gets it and has a chuckle.
>>719548454>overly simplistic and not at all engagingCan you point to a WRPG that does what Morrowind does but better?
>>719543571Morrowind is great and all but do we really need 60 fanmade recreations and the inevitable official remake? I cant believe im going to die in an old folks home still playing the zombie abomination versions of morrowind and world of warcraft
>>719548765Oblivion
>>719548864Oblivion just gets rid of the dice roll combat and cuts out like 20% of the skills, and without the diceroll combat your effectiveness in combat skills boils down to just being a damage multiplier
>>719548454>>719546759 shows how its not simplisticmorrowind's combat is very intricateand thats just melee and I havent gotten into magic and its affects yet, specially alteration and illusionthe only thing that renders morrowind simple and mundane is that braindead spamming without tactics is usually enough to get you through every encounter with ease so all the other stuff becomes roleplay material onlymorrowind is for people who make their own rules, like simcity playersmorrowind is not for people who need a difficulty curve to overcome go play dmc for that
>>719549116The whole package is more complex, combat is more interactive and visceral, the way NPCs move, the physics. The way they follow routines, stop and interact with each other in the street.I believe games should be about the strengths of the medium, immersion through simulation and action instead of written dialogue and play pretend dice rolls. Tabletop games and books do a way better job at those things anyway, there's no reason to make video games like that. Something like Oblivion however can't ever be replicated by any other medium, it's a proper video game doing what video games are great at and that's why it's better.
>>719549116dice roll combat is still present in obliviononly thing removed is enemie's dodge chance and magic cast chanceyou still have dodge chance for the playerand magic cast chance was replaced with skills affecting cost of casting magic instead
>>719547206>Gets mad about other anon being derivative of Morrowind>Proceeds to respond in the exact same manner towards Elden RingYou are all fucking childish
>>719547885Does your Romainian boogeyman have an info graphic?How do you decide who gets an infographic?Do you sort them by game or just a general boogeyman folder?
>>719549581the thing about morrowind's dice rolls is that every dice formula is easy to understand and makes sense why its like thatno nonesense was added to "balance" the gametake attacking for example: your agility, luck, weapon skill, stamina, weapon condition, enemie's dodge and armor, enemie's blind debuff and direction of attack are the things that affect the formula and nothing else.knowing this formula makes it so easy and intuitive to interact with the combat in a highly involved mannermorrowind not explaining its formulas and hiding them was its worst mistake
>>719549559>shows how it's not simplisticIt sounds cool when you put it like that but what did it actually mean?>outspace enemy attacks and attack>outspace enemy attacks and attack>outspace enemy attacks and attack>hope for an RNG stun and cast a spell while the enemy is stunnedNot really impressive at all.
>>719549581I wish there was a table top using morrowind's formulasthat would have been so dope
>>719549649>dice roll combat is still present in oblivionNot in a "roll to hit" sense
>>719549845If it is so good then why has nobody adopted it after Bethesda abandoned it?Just so there is no confusion on your part.There is no 1st/3rd person real time combat system that relies on RNG used by a studio post Morrowind.Everybody saw how bad that worked out and just went NOPE. It was thar bad.
>>719550142I think anon is being willfully ignorant and conflating proc chance with combat relying on RNG.That or they are dumb.
Watched the video. It's just a shitty ER mod. What a horrendous waste of time and effort. Way to pay homage to a game you "love to death".
>>719550456Honestly, my impression is that this mod was specifically made for the purpose of being turned into youtube videos, and never actually intended to be a playable mod in the sense that its actually designed to be played.
>>719549581>more complex, combat is more interactive and visceral, the way NPCs move, the physics. The way they follow routines, stop and interact with each other in the street.What does that have to do with Morrowind being a real rpg with builds unlike ER.
>>719550681Pretty common.Look at Fallout London. There are multiple YouTube videos that crack 450k viewers.If you look at the player numbers they didn't change on steam after Fallout London came out.Modders care about attention and nobody is really playing Skyrim or Fallout anymore.
>>719543781fpwp
>>719550681Pretty much, porting the assets wouldn't take that long, it's easy money.
>>719549845I think Morrowind combat could be a lot more interesting if they went further towards the turn-based side instead of making this awkward mix of turn-based/action with gameplay elements that are totally at odds with each other. It should have been a version of the VATS system with locational damage as they initially intended.
>>719547482> if the mod doesnt make the gameplay of the original entertaining, They are doing that.
>>719547596>playing a 18+ visual novel is like getting a girlfriend and fucking her, without all the hassle
>>719550839What does that have to do with The Lord of the Rings?
>>719551248>I think Morrowind combat could be a lot more interesting if they went further towards the turn-based side instead of making this awkward mix of turn-based/action with gameplay elements that are totally at odds with each other.I think all the game ever really "needed" was either some "dodge" and "miss" animations in combat, or at least little messages that pop up on screen somewhere letting you know that your attack did 0 damage and why.Its not as if Morrowind's combat is actually broken and doesn't function as-is, its just that on a surface level it can appear to not be functioning if you don't know how it works. If it was more obvious for new players why they weren't doing any damage they would probably try to figure out why they keep missing, or find a weaker opponent if they keep dodging.
>>719551389You're making fun of Morrowind for having shit combat but that's irrelevant as Morrowind has actual builds unlike ER.
>>719546303For me it's Morrowind and Bloodborne.
>>719551471This. A simple fucking animation of the enemy slightly taking a step back or a creature slightly lower it's head would immediately improve MW's dog shit combat feedback.
>>719551504What good does a bunch of builds do if the combat is shit?
>>719551653Morrowind isn't an action game, there's more to it than the combat.
>>719551763Sorry but I don't consider "make belief" and "play pretend" to be good gameplay
>>719551653Because it's not a combat focused crpg.
>>719551848Then I don't really get why you're even having this conversation. You don't like RPGs on a fundamental level, so why would anyone that does enjoy RPGs care about what you think of them?I don't enjoy racing games at all, but I would have to be extremely autistic to think anyone that enjoys racing games would be upset or give a shit about me not enjoying them.Either way, feel free to continue not enjoying RPGs, I really really don't care.
>>719551852It is a book disguised as a video game.
>>719551998>you hate all RPGs!There are plenty of RPGs with good gameplay, Morrowind is just not one of them. I know that might be a hard pill to swallow.
>>719552239>There are plenty of RPGs with good gameplay,If by "gameplay" you mean "combat" then sure,But there are also shitloads of great RPGs that have extremely generic and uninspired combat that is serviceable at best. I also really don't care about what you consider to be an "RPG with good gameplay" if you fundamentally don't enjoy the core concept of an RPG.
>>719552239Well why aren't you playing them instead of crying about Morrowind?
>>719552239Not him, but give me your top five (or top whatever) RPGs. I'm genuinely curious.
>>719552495Why aren't you playing Morrowind instead of defending Morrowind on the internet?
>>719552550Taking a break whilst waiting for the new Tamriel Rebuilt update. I'm in a thread for a game I like, you're in a thread for a game you fundamentally dislike and crying about said game. Do you really have nothing better to do at the moment?
>>719552498Cyberpunk 2077Fallout 4God of War (2018)Planescape: TormentDiablo 5
>>719551248> as they initially intendedSource?
>>719552408You seem to be thinking of RPGs in a tabletop-oriented philosophy where imagination is everything, I look at them from a video game perspective. Gameplay is important for video games, pretending otherwise is stupid.>>719552498I haven't really made a list but I enjoyed the Mass Effect series, Souls games if you can consider those RPGs, Baldur's Gate 2 and to some extent 3, DIvinity OS2. Some FF games like 9 and 12. Dragon Age Origins, Chrono Trigger. I also played WoW for many years.
>>719552734>God of War (2018)>Diablo 5>Fallout 4HAAHAHAHHAHA! And to top off the larp, you put Planescape Torment, a game with shit gameplay that's carried by it's writing, as one of your top RPGs, whilst complaining about Morrowind's gameplay? AHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
>>719552786>Morrowind isn't a real RPG, its too simple and shallow for my patrician tastes>mm, yes, Mass Effect, Dragon Age, World of Warcraft, now THIS is fine dining!
>>719552408They don't share your core concepts of what makes an RPG.It isn't an important distinction.Morrowind fails as an RPG to one of you and excels as one to the other.
>>719552996Yea they're good games, maybe you should play some of them and find out yourself instead of playing Morrowind 24/7
>>719552726> Do you have nothing to do besides discussing video games on a board for discussing video games?Nope.
>>719552764Are you really asking to see a picture of anon's ass?That is where he got it.
>>719553140Crying about something you fundamentally do not like is not a discussion, retard.
>>719553113WoW is literal casualslopDragon Age: Origins and Mass Effect were okay at best, but only because the vast majority of the work on those two games specifically was done before EA bought them out, however literally every other game in both franchises has been terrible and aren't RPGs either. Regardless, its straight up objectively laughable to try and say Morrowind is too shallow and simple while at the same time using fucking Mass Effect as your example of an RPG done right.
>>719553267> Talking about video games isn't talking about video games.Yes it is.You not liking your favorite game getting dunked on is understandably offputting.
>>719553421Again, you're not doing that, you're simply crying about it.
>>719553280You can treat WoW as a proper roleplaying game if you choose, RP servers back in the day were the shit. If roleplaying with actual people in a video game is new to you then I highly recommend trying it some time.As for mass effect, it's has much better shooting gameplay than Morrowind that's for sure. Morrowind literally can't compete in that regard. My point is that RPGs can be many different things if you expand your horizons, not everything has to be dicerolls.
>>719553541I have done nothing but talk about your favorite video games myriad flaws and failings.You offered nothing in its defense. As if you could.It is understandable instead of defending your opinion you chose to start launching personal attacks. What other option do you really have?
>>719553687>As for mass effect, it's has much better shooting gameplay than Morrowind that's for sure.Ah yes, that definitely makes it a better RPG then>RPGs can be many different things if you expand your horizons, not everything has to be dicerolls.No, "RPG" means "Roleplaying Game" not just "game where numbers go up"You don't enjoy RPGs as much as you enjoy action games with RPG elements.
>>719553745>I have done nothing but cry about why I don't like this game, and if I don't personally like something, then that must mean it's a flawYeah, we know.
>>719553828American truck sim is a RPG because You can make custom character and forge your own path
>>719543571The fact that MW is still relevant will never stop being impressive.
>>719553828Does this mean you can't enjoy a game unless it's 100% an RPG according to your standards? Must be really limiting having such a narrow stance on what an RPG can be. Sad even
>>719553968>>719554096>Sorry but I don't consider "make belief" and "play pretend" to be good gameplay
Actually transferring morrowind from TES engine to something different is actually interesting. Some retarded niggers are trying to recreate morrowind on skyrim engine which has less features is fucking retarded. Like they spend years to create worse product.
>>719554171What does that have to do with anything? Did you have a stroke?
>>719553927> You have made valid critiques of my favorite game but my ability to provide a counter argument is almost non-existent so I am throwing a tantrum instead.Yeah we know.
>>719543571morrowind would be fixed if it was top down rpg like runescape
>>719554260If you have to pretend a game is fun the devs have failed the player.Only corporate bootlickers would disagree.
>>719554260The entire conversation is based around the other anon saying Morrowind is a bad game and then listing Mass Effect as an example of what he considers to be a well made RPG.
>>719554339If it was a 90s era turn based isometric game we would have never heard of TES.
>>719554171I am just pointing How you can call almost any game RPG
>>719554416I think it's fine to make your own fun but it's not really a defense or merit of the game itself>Skyrim is the best game ever because you can mod the shit out of it.
>>719554416Yea Todd failed pretty hard alright
>>719543571Why waste life on stupid shit like this? What is the point?
>>719554621To be fair he learned a lot from the mistakes of each game and made the next one better.Well up to Skyrim that is.
>>719554424I listed lots of games, you just singled out ME for some reason. The first two games are excellent, and yeah I'd say the first game is better than Morrowind.
>>719554523I'm fully aware of how vague and generic sounding genre names are on a surface level. You could also call almost any game an "adventure" game or an "action" game, but you wouldn't call literally every game ever made an "action" game just because you take actions.My point is that the anon critiquing Morrowind as a bad RPG doesn't actually like RPGs very much and doesn't have any meaningful criticism for Morrowind as a result.He can say >MORROWIND IS A BAD GAME BECAUSE ITS A BAD ACTION GAME!as often as he wants, but it doesn't mean anything to anyone that wasn't going into Morrowind expecting an action game. Trying to argue that Morrowind is a bad RPG because its a bad action game is just kind of retarded.
>>719554746>The first two games are excellent, and yeah I'd say the first game is better than Morrowind.You have flawlessly proved the point I was trying to make.
>>719554606Will never understand that line of thinking. In the time they spent playing and modding Skyrim for years and years they could have played and experienced so many other different games old and new. And is only getting worse with people now not identifying themselves as gamers anymore but as players of a specific game. They only play 1 game forever. People who only play Valorant or CS or Wow or Fortnite or Roblox or some gacha game... It's ugly. Every month the top games are always the same 10 games across all platforms and it's been like that for at least 10 years now.
>>719554835So you looked at what I wrote, didn't get my point, made up your own point and now I'm proving that point to you? What a wild ride man
>>719543781Welcome to modding
>>719547548Kamiya owns you little bro
>>719554747According to your own standards Morrowind isn't even a proper RPG, it has real-time movement, jumping, flying, shooting projectiles and swinging attacks with active spacing. It's a shallow action game and a real-time turn-based game, a strange hybrid of conflicting gameplay styles. You should disown this monstrosity, yet you claim it is the best thing ever. You're a fucking hypocrite.
>>719555273I'm not arguing about what is and isn't a decent RPG with someone that unironically thinks Mass Effect 1 is a better RPG than Morrowind.
>>719543571>guy in the video keeps going on how he wants all the enemies to be be reskinned ER bosses>doesn't realize he would have to drastically change Morrowind's environment to facilitate this, thus rendering the original intent of porting Morrorind's map pointlessThis is why I hate idea guys. They get so caught up in their ambition, that they don't slow down and think things through.
>>719555429I'll concede that Morrowind is a pretty darn good visual novel, cause that's exactly what's good about it. It's not a good RPG because everything that isn't reading and picking dialogue options is total shit.
>>719543781>>719543924All life is pointless. You either decide for yourself what's meaningful, or kill yourself.
>>719554747He doesn't like what you consider an RPG.He is allowed his own opinion on the matter.
>>719555665If it's not a good RPG, then why is Morrowing still played and talked about to this vary day? One would think a game with that much staying power would be considered good.
>>719555754Autism.
>>719555741No, he literally doesn't enjoy RPGs, he just likes RPG elements in action games
So... you just go around killing shit?
>>719543571dice rolls are better than rollslop gameplay
>>719555741Wrong. Nobody is not entitled to opinions based on deliberately misusing common definitions.
>>719555754You know how you couldn't really tell if a game was shit when you were young? I can almost guarantee that the absolute majority of Morrwind players are the same ones that played it as an impressionable teen/young adult, it changed their brain chemistry. As for the newer players picking it up today, the story and lore is so good that most people are willing to look past the blemishes. It is after all an historic game and in the right circles you can get some gamercred by pretending to like it.
this is some HIRE THIS MAN tier shit
>>719556027He gets to consider what he wants as an RPG.> Well I have a different set of criteria.You are allowed. You seem to be talking past each other.
>>719556173That's funny, when I was a teen/young adult I couldn't get into it but when I grew up I loved it.
>>719556150Correct. So you should stop doing it.
>>719555741>>719556228So "he" doesn't like RPGs.
>>719556252There will always be outliers in any set of data
>>719556173That's not really true. YouTube is filled with videos of people playing Morrwind for the first time, and really enjoying the experience. If you don't like Morrowind, then fair enough, play games you enjoy. But remember to speak for yourself. Don't declare that everyone thinks Morrowind is shit when that's clearly not the case.
>>719556361Which is irrelevant to this conversation because you don't have any data.
>>719556150Also.Free lesson.By using a double negative you made the opposite point you wished to make.Luckily I am used to your poor education and could sort out what you meant vs what you said.The sad thing is I am now able to speak semi fluent retard.
So what's a RPG???
>>719556457A role playing game.
>>719556441I have the same amount of data as you
>>719556515Then give a source. Where is this data that you're going on about?
>>719556515You have nothing. You're just angry people like a game.
>>719556315He doesn't like what you would consider an RPG.> My definition is THE definition.For you and nobody else. I think that is the sticking point.
>>719556414I would take let's plays with a grain of salt, youtubers are performing for you. In many cases It's literally their job
>>719556602So "he" doesn't like RPGs.
>>719554286>Valid critiquesWhen have you ever done that?
>>719556582I have the same amount of data as you so you should be able to provide it as well as me.
>>719543571>>719545808>porting morrowind>into elden ringWhy the fuck would you ever do that, you quadruple n'wah.>no benefits of Morrowind>all the jank of souls slopWhy? Just to have "combat"?
>samefag trying to drum up support for his incorrect opinion
>>719556715>I don't have any dataAight so just talking out of your ass because Morrowind fans made you cry
>>719556653We established he does not like what you consider an RPG.Your options.1 Continue with your dedication to being a retard like yesterday's om nom bit.2 Prove your definition is the only one that matters.We both know actual debate is not your strong suit so retard away.
>>719556727you can mod that shit now in openMW or even morrowind MWSE now thanks to the animation reanimation mod
>>719556728It's funny because he's arguing the same way you would argue if you wanted to convince someone a man in a dress is a womanreally makes you think
>>719556887This anon gets it, this is why Battlefield 6 is the best RPG released this year
>>719556887So "he" doesn't like RPGs.
>I consider it an RPG therefore it's an RPG>I consider myself a woman therefore I'm a woman
>>719546212>30 timesHow much of a scrub are you that you need to click on an enemy in Morrowind 30 times? Did you deliberately pick a weapon that you have a low skill in and then mashed m1 like a spastic?Porting ER/souls onto Morrowind is much better - you can now have proper RPG and have good quests, not to mention all the mods that Morrowind has.
>>719557015trans RPGs are real RPGs, bigot!
>>719547246>>just tap on weaker enemies first....like an RPG?
>>719556956Obvious choice was obvious. You had no choice but go the on nom route.The mistake I made was admitting you won that round. That validation insures you will continue with retardation as a tactic in perpetuity.
>>719547182Are you a weeb?
>>719557151So "he" doesn't like RPGs.
>>719557015Just like your example nobody is saying you are wrong.The issue in both cases is you trying to force others to participate in your delusion.
>>719557179Hey I'm the anon you're talking about, I like RPGs.
>>719556942RPG enough.
I like both Morrowind and Elden Ring.This looks like shit.Anybody praising it is a "HIRE THIS MAN" tier retard. Suicide is advised.
>>719557158Not really, visual novels aren't elusively Japanese either.
>>719556894Anon, i dont even remotely want any of that shit. Morrowind's basic combat is good enough for me. I dont play it for "combat".
>>719557332No, it's a total RPG and nothing else.
>>719557392So you don't like RPGs.
Everyone, post your favorite RPGs!
>>719557405>>719557332Battlefield is the only game mentioned in this thread that actually has RPGs in it
>>719557434That is your "opinion".
>>719557434This. Morrowind isn't an RPG. Naruto: Ultimate Ninja Storm is an RPG.
>>719557262agreed my personal favorite rpg is metroid prime
>>719557405If you want it to be a racing game because you can sprint then it is a racing game.You are in charge of your fun. Enjoy it how you want.Take extra joy in knowing you are enjoying it wrong will honk some uptight nerd off far more than it should.
>>719557519If you want it to be it is.
>>719557434>>719557452>>719557519>>719557587Do you actually think you're being funny right now?
>>719557593>Take extra joy in knowing you are enjoying it wrong will honk some uptight nerd off far more than it should.Sounds like a something a bitter child would do because he sucks at the game.
>>719543571It's funny, because the reason why this is so feasible is because Morrowind is such a shallow fucking game, and it basically boils down to the most simplistic dungeon crawls ever inbetween basic quests where the only solutions are spam speech rolls or kill them, so porting it over is feasible for basically any game engine that can handle basic dialogue flags.
>>719557671He gets to consider what he wants as funny.> Well I have a different set of criteria.You are allowed. You seem to be talking past each other.
>>719557671I'm being 100% serious. By my definition, SMB3 is an RPG.
>>719556727>no benefits of MorrowindMorrowind doesn't have the benefits of Morrowind because there are no benefits to Morrowind
>>719557671I think we need to get Lawyers involved.People mislabling RPGs is punishable by ,up to,5 years in prison and a 10k fine.Serious business misgendering games.
Why would anyone want to ruin Morrowind with souls combat?
>>719557671>>719557735
Why would anyone want to ruin Elden Ring with quests and role-playing?
>>719557810Honestly its about as confusing to me as people who want to ruin Morrowind with Skyrim combat
>>719556894I've looked into this shit a bit, and the only way you are making decent combat is by editing the source of OpenMW. Mods just don't have access to shit like the hit detection and damage formulas. But then you also need to make animations since the ones in the game are shitty and only upper body.
>>719557813This thread seems to be turning into a youtube comment section
>>719557695Who am I to judge people who hate people enjoying things wrong.If they are enjoying themselves being mad then have at it.Later I am going to play Skyrim and make my character dance by crouching and moving.I am sure it does not fall into your definition of proper RPG game play but I will be roleplaying a dancer.You can be mad about that if you want.
>>719558057I'm more into playing games because I enjoy them and not out of spite but I hope you have a good time regardless.
>>719557804I can't tell if you're making fun of him or the other guys
>>719557392how much cocks do you suck when MW combat makes NWN2 look like a GOTY and Daggerfall+Redguard look better?
>>719557987Or maybe you're just a midwit fuck getting called out for your retarded "things are what they say they are because I feel like it" argument not realizing it was debunked ages ago.
>>719558359The one that is overly anal about his definition of RPG.
>>719557952You can mod that shit now, someone did that a while ago now that OpenMW lua supports itAlso animation reanimation restored Diagonal walking/running animations
>>719558057No one cares what you do on your own time, but if you're going to engage with communities that discuss these things while ignoring the language used, then yeah people will be annoyed at you for using the wrong words on purpose.I could call a PS5 a "Nintendo" because all games are Nintendos to me and thats just as valid as calling them videogames because we're all human beans. However this doesn't mean everyone needs to respect that I call playstation games "Nintendos", and they're probably gonna call me out for it and ask me to cut that shit out because its disruptive.Yes, you can technically define "RPG" as anything you want, but outside of your own imagination that personal definition is worthless. Why even have genres at all? If RPG is a nebulous subjective thing, why not "action" or "adventure", why not "puzzle" or "racing"? You can speedrun every game, so by some stretch of the definition you could call all games racing games, but what is there to be gained by stretching the meaning of these words to the point where they have none?Why even have "RPG" as a game genre if we are going to agree that its a meaningless phrase that applies to everything and nothing?RPG either means something specific, or its meaningless and we'd all be better off never using the term again. So what is it, do RPGs exist within a certain framework, or do RPGs not exist because they are everywhere and nowhere all at once?
>>719558457So the guys saying non-rpgs are rpgs, got'cha
>>719558224You should never care about how others play a game. Sadly that one anon cares way to much.I think I will lead the College without casting a spell later as well. Bet anon has strong opinions on that as well.I would lead all the guilds on one character but if anon found out he would probably have a stroke.
>>719558454Nah that ain't me, this whole interaction got out of control. Eveyone keeps misunderstanding each other and thinking multiple anons are the same person even though they clearly have conflicting ideas. Pure retardation if you ask me.
>>719558572Unless they aren't what they are.
>>719558701>and thinking multiple anons are the same person even though they clearly have conflicting ideasI think you misunderstood the use of that reaction image.
What is an RPG? Here's a definition for you gaymers since no one seems to understand it nowadays. Your character's class and build (AKA, their specialized 'role') was the major determinant of success in a particular situation. Your skill as a player was in building the character for a particular playstyle and understanding how to utilize its abilities in a given situation.The modern definition of RPG is so vague as to be meaningless. CoD multiplayer is an RPG because you 'level up'. Visual novels are RPGs because you 'make choices in a story'. Mass Effect is an RPG because you 'put points in some skills and choose a class'. There's a difference between the character's build being the major determinant of success and a game having some RPG mechanics in it.
>>719558742I'm talking about the entire reply chain not just your little shitty post.
>>719558662Ah, there's that "talking past each other" thing again. You got called out for your definition of RPG being wrong but now you think you're being criticized for playing games wrong. Hm, maybe you know that and are just playing stupid.
>>719558550You seem to realize personal definitions are useless and consider yourself nor at the same time.Instead of arguing semantics try arguing the features you consider important.
>>719558796>yourlol I guess you don't care that much about people being confused for the same person since you have no problem doing it yourself
>>719558905>Instead of arguing semantics try arguing the features you consider important.Pot, meet kettle.
>>719558914I'm not a fucking psychic, preface your post with NTA if you don't want to appear like the same poster idiot.
>>719558828I am not playing it as a proper RPG am I?Try to keep up.
>>719559006Christ you're such a shameless hypocrite.
>>719559049Quit pulling my dick fag
>>719559018Proving the point.
>>719558968I have said everyone's definition of RPG is correct.I am simply pointing out it isn't universal.
Love this guy. He immediately contradicts himself as soon as you back him into a corner.
>>719543571morrowind was always good. op is a faggot. etc etc
>>719558905It's almost as if what the argument is and what you think you're arguing against are two different things. Like you're, uh, I dunno, just to use a turn of phrase, talking past each other?
>>719559128Which point?That I am enjoying it wrong?I know that is why I made it. There is an anon that cares a great deal about how others enjoy their RPGs.
>>719559350>Which point?The point that not everything is an RPG just because a person feels like it's an RPG. A fork is not a spoon just because you feel like it's a spoon.You can play however you want, brat.
>>719559280Anon seems to think his definition of RPG is the one we should be using.He is struggling to come to grips with the fact it isn't.
>>719559417He knows what the point is, he's just trying to keep the subject away from it because he can't argue against it. Just ignore him and he'll go away.
>>719559504Not much of a definition if it can be literally anything.
>>719559417I am enjoying my RPG the way I want.If this bothers you I hope you find a way to deal with it.
Why does it always devolve into pointless war over the definition of what an RPG is? You do this every time, you aren't gonna get anywhere.
>>719559596Like I said, you can play however you want. I'm guessing you didn't read that far.
>>719559570Exactly. You are almost there.You are moments from a EUREKA moment.
>good combat>souls gamesoulfags are insufferable
>>719543571Haven't watched this dude in a while. has he pozzed out like the others, or is he still slightly chuddy?
>>719559643I don't need your permission to enjoy my RPG the way I want.
>>719559721>souls game>not good combatGet a load of this moron, point and laugh, lol, kek, bur.
>>719559754I never said you did! Go play your game anon. Have fun. Go play instead of sitting here arguing with strawmen in your head.
>>719559679It's okay, I already figured out that words have meaning when I was a child. Perhaps the anon without a chest will catch up eventually.
>>719559805As always I play my RPGs as I see fit.Why do you feel the need to keep commenting on this simple fact?There is not much to add at this point.Unless you just like me affirming I play RPGs as I see fit.Odd fetish but you do you.
>>719560047Good! Have fun.
>>719559864So fucking close yet so far away.
Imagine that, a souls game with actual towns and roleplaying.
>>719560204Oh my bad, what I should have said was "I now realize anything can be an RPG just because I personally deem it to be." So like, Crash Bandicoot 2 is my favorite RPG.
Words do have meaning, otherwise you wouldn't be able to understand what I'm saying right now.On the topic of genre defintiions though, it's not a black and white scenario where everything is either 100% set in stone or anyone's guess. It's somewhere in between, genre definitions change all the time as new products come out and stretch or redefine what they mean.The problem with the RPG genre specifically is that it was coined for tabletop games, you simply can't bring the same definition that existed back then and apply them to modern video game titles. So much have changed since then.The solution is either to make up a brand new genre encompassing the digital side of RPG while leaving the standard definition to the analogue, or change the defeinition for RPGs, there is no other way.
Was one thread not enough for you, Rolstonfag?
>>719543571Looks like a neat little project.
>>719560291To make things clear what are you using as a source for your definition of RPG.You seem to be aware it is not an opinion based argument so it would be helpful if you shared the definition you use.
>>719559803>shit camera>shit lock on>enemies having an artificial 0.5 seconds hold on their attacks just so you hit roll earlyGet a load of this moron, point and laugh, lol, kek, bur.
>>719560529Post the Sainted info graphic and start samefagging like you always do when you start losing.
>>719560391>The solution is either to make up a brand new genre encompassing the digital side of RPG while leaving the standard definition to the analogue, or change the defeinition for RPGs, there is no other way.The generally accepted solution is to keep "RPG" for games that are actually RPGs, and for games that involve some RPG mechanics but otherwise would be a different genre of game, we would say that it is "X with RPG elements"So if you have a Third Person Shooter like Mass Effect 2, it definitely has RPG elements, but it was built to be a shooter before anything else. Its a third person shooter with RPG elements.Its like saying "Rock and roll" isn't really a genre anymore because people will say that anything with a guitar in it is "rock music", even if they're all wrong, that doesn't stop "rock music" from being a specific thing.
>>719560645>skill issue>skill issue>skill issueYou know what they say in the souls communitygit gud
>>719543571this is the type of remake I'm okay with
>>719560391I'm 100% with you as long as we agree that not literally anything in the known universe can be an RPG. At the moment we at least have subgenres like blobbers and auo-battlers that make pretty easily understandable distinctions. Then we have JRPG and WRPG which are completely fucking useless labels that don't mean anything.>>719560710Does ME2 really water down the RPG elements that much? I've only played the first one which I would very much consider an RPG.
>>719560718>no argumentsi accept your concession, you can reply to this post with a mad or smug reply to feel like you won though
>>719560571>To make things clear what are you using as a source for your definition of RPG.Nothing at all.
>>719560812Go roll some dice nigga, lehmao
>>719560864That much was obvious.
>>719543571FINALLY I can play MW without the attrocious mind-bogglingly boring combat taking points away from the game and hampering my pleasure. More things like this should happen in the future.
>>719560918Apparently not since you had to ask.All I've ever argued is that not literally anything can be an RPG. Talking past me isn't going to change that.
>>719560805>Does ME2 really water down the RPG elements that much? I've only played the first one which I would very much consider an RPG.Yes, the most common complaint about the first game they got was "the shooting isn't good enough", and at this point EA was in full control, so they went full third person shooter with the second one. Basically, the only reason the first Dragon Age and first Mass Effect were sorta okay is because they were 90% finished before EA bought out Bioware.
>>719560571Well for one we know it's a game because it's called a role-playing game. That means it can't be a movie, or a billboard, or an orphan child, or a hot fresh pizza.
Removing the best part of each game doesn't seem like that good of an idea.
>>719543571These threads are literal advertisements, it's literal modders advertising their shit and they've been caught doing this multiple times. These threads are straight up discords raids.Bethesda games are crap, find something less awful to waste your time on.
>>719561334That's unfortunate.
>>719561128Depending on the definition you use literally anything could be an RPG.You seem to not want to be forced into defending a concrete definition.Wise on your part.
>>719561342That is not a definition.Why so afraid to take a stand.Oh that's right. The whole public education thing.
>>719561580If they ever accept money there are options.As long as they keep doing it for free they are fine.
>>719560710Looking at the origin of the term roleplaying games it's a very vague term describing roleplaying in a fantasy world, it doesn't really say anything specific about the rules of the game. In the context of video games It can be interpreted as refering to dialogue choices and storytelling. If we are to treat it by its original descriptor then it's a very broad genre indeed. Given the Japanese tend to pull the definition more towards predefined stories as opposed to actual roleplaying with choice and concequence I can see where the confusion comes from.When you start pulling numbers into the mix then almost every video game becomes an RPG because they have progression systems or ideas and features abstracted into numbers. It's a difficult terrain to navigate which is why it can be discussed endlessly. The definition is just too broad.
>>719556727>Why the fuck would you ever do thatTo make faggots like you cry and seethe
>>719561635Your argument is that there is no objective truth, therefore it's pointless to define anything to you. Yes, quite wise of me.
>>719561635Why don't you pay attention to any of the posts that are genuinely debating the definition, such as >>719561853 and >>719560391?
>>719562029You must be the creator! What made you first decide to start a project like this?
>>719562030> Haha you will never pin me down.I am not surprised you would avoid plainly stating your case. Much easier to use opinion and vague notions as arguments.
>>719562130They are all just opinion and useless in the discussion with the anon I am quoting.To add.They seem to be doing fine without my participation.
>>719562402I've already stated my case multiple times. You believe words don't have meaning, I do. There's nothing more to it.
>>719562541Quote me my post where I claimed words have no meaning.I'll wait.When you are done making things up perhaps you could finally give us the source of your definition of an RPG.
>>719561834They are receiving money from advertising clicks and patreon support. Hell for a good while the TR devs were literally directing people to their discord so they could e-beg. The mods are simply biased and have shit taste in games.
>>719562686>>719562514>GIVE ME YOUR OPINION>NO THAT'S JUST AN OPINIONAnd the mask comes off.Thanks for playing, anon.
>>719562832Are you OK?Are you off your meds right now?
>>719562832The mask came off a while ago, he's been contradicting himself throughout this thread.
>>719543781He says as much. It was just a dumb project to see if he could do it and once he realized it was possible he kept going.
>>719562832I never asked for your opinion. I asked for the source of your definition.I am still waiting. No need to be scared.
>>719562514>They are all just opinionYou mean you can't refute them.
>>719563093I said what I meant in the initial response.The other two anons giving their opinions were useless in my trying to get anon to plainly state the source for their definition of an RPG.The discussion I was not involved in is still useless in that pursuit.I don't know why you think it matters.
>>719563312Nah, you just call anything opinion when you can't refute it.
The anti Morrowind schizo is alive and mentally unwell, I see.
>>719561726If you acknowledge that there are things RPGs are not, then you acknowledge that RPG must have a definition. That's all I wanted from you.
>>719563507When was the last post Morrowind was mentioned?He mindbroke you bad. You see that cocksucker everywhere.
>>719563567Still waiting to hear your source.You seem terrified to provide it.For me pick any dictionary and it will be good enough.
Why?Morrowind is not that good, don't see the point of remaking it in for Bethesda for free.
>>719563080>>719563762RPGs, in video game form, are games that are built around tabletop RPG systems or systems inspired by tabletop RPGs (IIRC Fallout was originally going to use GURPS before changing it to SPECIAL).Call of Duty is not built around an RPG system, they simply slapped an unlock system on bog standard multiplayer.
>someone attempts to provide a definition>weasel suddenly goes silent
>>719543571
>>719564601He doesn't address anything he can't refute, much like before.
>>719563815Who said he's doing it for free?
See the sunsetThe thread is endingLet that yawn outThere's no pretending!
