>You need a "cart" to play game.
>Still takes up internal storage.
Who thought this was a good idea?
Maybe they'll figure out how to make real carts cheaper.

Nobody cares as people only buy 1st party games on Nintendo hardware and all of those will be on the cart. Its only 3rd party games doing the key shit.

the idea of game keys was making the disappearance of physical media gradual so people get used to it.
if nintendo decided to remove away game keys (they won't), those publishers will simply go for digital releases only.
our hobby lives on borrowed time

You are asking retards who purchased cardboard and rubber bands from Nintendo this question anon. You may be even dumber than then the fans.

>>719546874
True but that means the actual choice was use the eshop or leave your house, go to FUCKING GAMESTOP, deal with an asshole clerk, tell them no you dont want any upsells or subscriptions or extra warranty, go home, use the key to start downloading.

Who did they think was going to choose the latter option at all?

>>719546456
>All because they refused to produce a new cartridge with a larger internal memory and cheaped out
Not even that, they basically only have 64GB cartridges, so even putting small games on these doesn't make much sense for a publisher because it's gonna increase cost a lot compared to a Switch 1 cartridge which could go as low as 1GB.

Did Nintendo just fall into the "console sells well so now company thinks they are too big to fail...oh no!" cycle again or did new leadership fuck up or what?

>>719546456
>>Developers at GDC, PAX and Gamescom openly talking about how they don't like it and think its a waste of time and plastic
Nintendo literally made them FOR 3rd parties so they'd stop selling codes in box.

>>719546456
Wasn't it already confirmed that the card manufacturer agreed to make other sizes besides almost nothing and 64gb?

>>719546737
>insert ps3/4/5 or xbox one/x game
>installs game to hdd
>still need disc in
>this is fine
>insert chip
>download and install game
>you need to keep the cart in
>WHA WHA WHAAAT

Another NDS thread

>>719546456
>have cart
>nobody uses it untill nintendo wanted to use it
>only in 64gb
>carts cost 15 bucks a pop because its not as used as discs
>devs makes 1 million physical copies
>this costs them at least 15million bucks
>game flops
>not only out all dev costs but also 15 mill on cards
>this is a problem many devs are not willing to deal with
>nintendo comes up with gamekeycards
>key is ultra cheap, user can still buy and sell used
>this offsets risk to third parties
>nintendo puts all their games 100% on cart
>suddenly its nintendos greed doing this
>they make 0 extra by doing this
>mean while the internet is outraged
>xbox discs also dont have the series x version on disc, which needs to be downloaded(many times bigger then switch 2 games) but its nintendo doing this shit for the first time
>Nintendo is confused, sends out questions to end user
>says they will look into smaller sizes
FUCKING NINTENDOOOO

>>719546456
You forgot to mention the Japanese preservation society (or whoever they are) not considering them physical media and not worth saving

I dunno why people were getting upset about this now when developers were selling codes in a box and Cloud versions of games on Switch like 5 years ago without issue. I don't like it that much either and Nintendo should just make bigger cartridges but if anything it's better than what came before as at least it seems like you can reuse them unlike one time download codes.

In short never count on Nintendo to not cheap out on hardware every single time.

You ever get digital or physical, no one wants this in between garbage.

>>719548086
As a collector those Switch 1 download required games were few and far between majority of which were from AAA studios for some reason. Now its like 95% of the library on switch 2.

>>719546737
>figure out how to make real carts cheaper
It's called SD card, already exists, and it's purely the responsibility of the used to procure one and pay for it. And not being ROM, it can even be upgraded from the surely buggy vanilla game that's on cart!

The next step is getting literally nothing for your money. And then forcing you to surrender all of your money at gunpoint. And then making it illegal to possess money if you're not already a trillionaire.

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>>719546456
>>All because they refused to produce a new cartridge with a larger internal memory and cheaped out
a tale as old as time itself

>>719547236
nintendo somehow either inspires or attracts dependency on an unheard of level, and they're realizing that those people will truly buy anything. nintendo could slice their throats open and the poor cunts would be begging to buy more 80 dollar games before they kick the bucket

>>719546456
Im glad the publishers who cheaped out lost money on this worthless shit. Its not even indie devs who you would think would use them, its big ass fags like Square and Konami. It just shows how disconnected they are from their customers. How hard is it to look at how successful physical releases have been on the switch?

>>719546456
>>When those servers go down these keys are useless
lol
>>Nobody wants them, nobody buys them.
>>All sales data shows they make up less than 1% of sales. People simply dont consider them "real" physical purchases so buy the full version instead
>Developers at GDC, PAX and Gamescom openly talking about how they don't like it and think its a waste of time and plastic
It's gonna be fun to watch a key cartridge of Elden Ring selling decently well and the following Internet meltdown because echo chambers were out of touch with the reality

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>>719551947
The reality is most people don't even give a shit about buying physical nowadays anyway.
It's just the turbo nerd collector-fag minority making a huge fuss anytime something like this happens.

>>719546456
all nintendo games are on cartridge tho. 3rd parties asked for this.

>>719546456
>So how long till Nintendo gives up on Game Keys?
Never. are you retarded?

>>719546456
>a waste of time and plastic
Time, maybe. Money (not mentioned but implied), definitely, Plastic? Meh. It would have been produced for another e-waste meme anyway.
Now the electronics, that's a waste, even if it's just a little memory.

Tendies will eat it anyway and say that is actually good.

>>719552158
Exactly. And besides it doesn't matter if the original format is physical or digital in case you want to make a backup of the game files after hacking the console.
The one upside I can think of, with the game key cards, is the fact they won't be anywhere expensive in the second-hand market like the games in previous Nintendo systems used to be.

>>719547718
it's a switch 2 thread not a DS thread, retard

When they negotiate with the card makers to make SD Express cartridges smaller than 64 GB

>>719546456
>All because they refused to produce a new cartridge with a larger internal memory and cheaped out
That's not the issue at all.

>>719552313
nobody is eating the cartridges, they taste horrible

>>719552348
So many collector-fags don't even play half of the shit they buy anyway so I don't get why they care as long as they can get the case.
They are like Steam sale junkies, but at least they don't need a whole wall out of their house* for their addiction.

>>719546456
Nintendo doesn't use them. They will keep being made until 3rd parties realize that they might have fucked themselves over by asking Nintendo for something that is even more hated than codes in a box

>>719546737
Crazy thing is PlayStation and Xbox have been doing this bullshit since the 7th gen. Fucking physical games that take up storage has always been a scam.

>>719546924
Why do you post?
>All sales data shows they make up less than 1% of sales. People simply dont consider them "real" physical purchases so buy the full version instead
What is even the post of your existence if you can't even read a 4chan thread? Just to initiate flame wars? Or are you actually dumb?

>>719547480
Yeah, we still have to see the impact of this, but it's probably good.

>>719552614
People who played Nintendo as a kid, but are now completely mindbroken by them as grown adults genuinely have no other way to take it out.
They can't just stop thinking of Nintendo, it's not an option.

>>719552505
It's essentially just virtue-signaling, and another excuse to get angry at Nintendo once again. They're really desperate to believe key cards are a failure.
And as far as I recall, collectorfags tend to be against people who make backups of games in ISO (or whatever used format for the specific system) and share them on the Internet.

>>719552663
It can't be any worse than game card shit so yeah, but it's still only the vanilla game you can play "forever". Or can carts be updated at this point?

>>719547890
Nintendo always gets the blame for doing shit the other 2 have been doing for years because people hold them to a higher standard, but you're absolutely right, it has nothing to do with greed, more like a favor for third parties. It didn't work though, people are not buying them, CDPR was able to see this and decided to launch on a regular cart.

>>719546456
Nintendo derangement syndrome strikes again. Game key cards are the only thing keeping third parties (not Nintendo) from selling you a 1 time use download code
>All because they refused to produce a new cartridge with a larger internal memory
They literally did do this. It's not Nintendo's fault other devs are shit at optimization and can't fit their games under 64gb. If cyberpunk did it nobody else has an excuse

>>719551541
Yeah they have all been cheap ass bastards and deserve to bomb for releasing their games like this.

>>719552785
It cracks me up too, because we currently live in a world where PS and Xbox have cheaper, no disk-drive, versions of their new consoles and literally nobody cared. They bought them, but somehow didn't see the issue.

>>719552972
Snoys were outraged when Nintendo announced paid online despite their complete silence and paying for it for 5 years at that point lmao.

>>719552781
Lost technology, remember when cartridges could hold save data? Not anymore.

>>719552781
Dunno about any switch carts saving update data on cart, last time I saw that sort of shit was with a few select ps vita games like Muramasa Rebirth which installed even dlc onto the game cart.

>>719553126
So, they are barely more useful anyway. Lol.

>>719552801
It doesn't even make sense, many third parties are way under 64gb and still use the key card shit, look at Bravely Default, it's 12 gb.

>>719553210
>paying for 64GB per cart when 16GB is enough.

>>719553302
I just wonder if they would have used a cheaper 16gb cart when the key card thing was also the option, cost almost nothing and everyone else was using it. Maybe now things would be different since they know people are not buying them.

>>719553302
That's because that's the only SD Express card the manufacturer makes right now, but Nintendo has been in negotiations to have them make cards with smaller capacities

>>719546456
About the same time for all those physical gamekey and cardboard disc did... which is never.

>>719552801
>keeping third parties (not Nintendo) from selling you a 1 time use download code
Download codes are superior to download codes you have to keep inside your console and swap out each time you want to play something else
You get the worse of both digital and physical with this, unbearable tendie
>>719553302
16GB carts aren't available by nintendo

>>719553385
Probably not but that can be """"fixed"""""" by releasing the game on real carts afterwards.
Hell they can even salvage it by plausible deniability with a 10 paragraphs in marketingese Xitter post saying "the game cards were just a stopgap measure until smaller carts were available pls be of the understanding".

>>719553503
>You get the worse of both digital and physical with this
That's not entirely true, I agree game key cards are bullshit but you can sell them and have the fucking box. It's not objectively better than a download code since as you said you have to fucking insert it into the console to play, but you can't sell a download code after using it.

>>719553302
Whenever I go to buy an SD card I always end up buying a larger size even though I only need 16-32GB because the price difference is negligible.

>>719553643
>I agree game key cards are bullshit but you can sell them and have the fucking box
In this day and age, who are you going to sell a GKC to when the digital version is going on sale for 90% off every other week?

>>719553886
It's not negiligible when you need millions.

>>719553503
>You get the worse of both digital and physical with this, unbearable tendie
For most people, it's virtually not different from using a PS4/PS5 disc which still has to install the data into the internal storage of the console (alongside of updates and else).
Sure, it would be better to have everything on the cart in order to save up in data storage, but that valid complaint is actually secondary amongst people who bitch about the key cards, if not tertiary.

>>719553965
They aren't buying them at retail price.

>>719553503
You get the resell benefit of physical. And realistically having to download the game will never be a problem, you can still download purchased wii games

>>719547653
The game is on the disc on PS4/5. That isn't the case with key card

>>719554060
Even 1 dollar of difference can be millions in lost profit.

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>>719547653
But the PS3 disc has all the game data on it. Letting me still play it without a internet connection. In the future when Switch 2's online services get shut down, those key cards will become nonfunctioning. Not even Nintendo can get away with that "You'll own nothing and be happy" bullshit.

>>719554346
But PS3 is fucking 20 years ago retard.
The fact that you completely glossed over two generation of console prove that you are just some biased fanboy on a crusade to shit on the rival company.

>>719554346
>In the future when Switch 2's online services get shut down, those key cards will become nonfunctioning.
Why do tech-illiterates (the entire side who complain about key cards) keep parroting this line of thinking when there was never a situation where purchased digital games have become unavailable on Steam, PSN and the Eshop.

>>719546456
Nintendo can fuck off with their bullshit.
Switch 2 had so many delays.
They dominate the market and could spend all the effort to ensure massive success.
Instead there are two worthwhile games on the system, 3rd parties embrace retarded key cartridges, Ninty didn't bother to fix the shitty analog sticks, the system is overpriced.
What were they thinking!?

>>719546456
They won't, they'll just subsidize whatever losses from this through other means. Control is too much to give up. Just don't be the average tendie. My relationship with Nintendo ended waaaay back, during the Wii era, and it started on the Gameboy.

>>719547718
>not even an argument
You do it for free.

>>719554905
You can’t redownload a digital copy of 3D All Stars.

>>719554905
>Online service shut down
This is besides the point but considering they made Switch 2 an upgrade to the Switch 1, they extended the life of all of the Switch 1 online components.

>>719554658
It's the same with PS5.

>>719555078
Yeah well I have a sealed copy and can just play the roms on my other hardware.

>>719554935
>Instead there are two worthwhile games on the system
Console has been out for 2 months and there's tons of games announced for this year alone, how many games the Switch 1 in that time? Suddenly those were all worthwile?
>3rd parties embrace retarded key cartridges
Yeah fuck turd parties
>Ninty didn't bother to fix the shitty analog sticks
Are you talking about them not having hall effect? Nobody else does either, the analog sticks are still very different from the ones on the Switch 1 and no drift so far.
>the system is overpriced
Complete bullshit, cheapest system on the market, even cheaper than other gaming handhelds despite being more powerful.

>it's another nintendo derangement syndrome thread

>>719554905
>others do it toooooo
not an argument. The point of physical media is to avoid or at least sidestep this inevitability.

>>719553386
Flash speed and capacity are related, it's difficult to make cards which are that small and fast which make sense from a cost perspective.

>>719555196
success breeds jealousy

>>719555078
If you purchased it before the limit date, you can still re-download it from your account. Dummy
Same for any game that removed from any storefront due of license issues, the publisher going under, etc.
>>719555209
>this inevitability.
It literally never happened with digital games on Steam/Nintendo/PSN, you're inventing a fake problem. You're just schizophrenic.

>>719555209
>>others do it toooooo
Precisely the point, people only bitch when Nintendo does it, because Nintendo fans actually call out the bullshit while the others happily take it (and will probably bitch about Nintendo later).

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>>719555118
>It's the same with PS5.

>>719552718
Are these People who played Nintendo as a kid, but are now completely mindbroken by them as grown adults in the room with you right now?

>>719555252
I'm a complete illiterate on this issue but shouldn't it be the other way around? Smaller cards should meann less time searching what was requested, or at least that's how I would think it might work.

>>719547653
>this is fine
It isn't, it wasn't fine when others did it and it's not fine when nintendo does it.

>>719555184
>>Ninty didn't bother to fix the shitty analog sticks
>Are you talking about them not having hall effect? Nobody else does either, the analog sticks are still very different from the ones on the Switch 1 and no drift so far
DESU I have no idea what "hall effects" are, have never gotten drift on any controller, and have no issue with the controllers themselves. Joycons feel good to use, so does the pro controller. My issue is only with the NSO controllers not having a Home button even though they modified the NES controller to be a joycon and could have easily added it.

Do these people think they're professional gamers or something that they need a 100% flawless controller to play fucking mario?

Very hypocritical to accept one form of license with steam and yet say Nintendo's own form of game license is wrong. You either accept you don't own your games or you do. You can't have favoritism just because you spent a ton of money on a sale.

>>719555469
Didn't hear a peep from you complaining about it then.

>>719555336
>It literally never happened with digital games on Steam/Nintendo/PSN, you're inventing a fake problem. You're just schizophrenic.
But it has? Thetre have been games removed from Steam and if you didn't have it installed it when they were taken down, good luck.
Not to say that for every server that shuts down you lose on reinstalling updates in the future.

>>719555514
The point of hall effect and TMR sticks is reliability, not precision. Drift is a non-issue with these technologies.

>>719555572
How would you know if I complained about it before or not?

>>719555514
>Do these people think they're professional gamers or something that they need a 100% flawless controller to play fucking mario?
There is a very deep rabbit hole of alternative custom made sticks for original N64 controllers to replace the originals because >>>spe*drunners require massive precission for their >>>tr*cks.

>>719555576
>But it has? Thetre have been games removed from Steam and if you didn't have it installed it when they were taken down, good luck.
I own games on my Steam account that were removed from the storefront at one point or another, such as the OG Metro 2033 or Codename Gordon, and they're still available for me to install since they're linked in. At no point you ever lose the access of your previously purchased digital games, you do OWN digital games in fact

>>719555620
Mwahahahaha....You'll find out soon enough.

>>719555424
more capacity is achieved by adding more flash blocks
each block can read a certain amount of data per second
the flash controller can access multiple blocks at once, so more blocks = more data per second

>>719552158
people don't care anymore because they tried their best to make physical shit
>no more manuals with additional content like art, maps, comics, character bios, etc.
>no more posters
>worse box arts
>cheap plastic boxes that break easily
and now you even pay more for it and might be stuck with a key card
of course people born in the past 15 ish years will have no reason to care about physical anymore

>>719555928
Thanks.

>>719546456
Anyone buying a Switch 2 deserves their faith.

>>719547236
the new JP ceo was a bean counter who asked to be an accountant at the EU branch and then just glazed higher ups repeatedly so N word is going to be extremely jewish until he dies.

I'm in awe how this board claims so proudly to worship PC gaming with all it's digital-only nonsense, but goes in a complete meltdown everytime key-cards are mentioned.

Which one is it faggots?

>>719556174
physical games are pretty much the only thing consoles have left so it sucks that they're starting to get rid of it

>>719556135
>Anyone buying a Switch 2 deserves their faith.
Agreed.

>>719556174
All the games I purchased off stream have no DRM other than steam's meme dll. I can (and have) backups.

>>719556282
I kinda agree, specially now that PS and Xbox don't have exclusives. If they get rid of physical media, Nintendo lost one of the big reasons to own their console, but they still have exclusives.

>>719546737
>Maybe they'll figure out how to make real carts cheaper.
They just need to be mass-produced. It's a new format and is available in more limited quantities.

>>719556174
you can actually control the files on pc you dolt, the sole difference between physical and digital is where the files are
consoles are complete black box toyboxes where everything depends on a corpo

>>719546456
>So how long till Nintendo gives up on Game Keys?
You mean how long until third parties give up on game keys. There hasn't been a single first party GKC.

If they tell the cart makers to stop making them, that would mean either
>Nintendo foots the bill for all cart production fees
>3rd parties eat the extra production costs
Neither are ever happening. Of course, 3rd parties could simply just increase the price of their games, lets see how "important" physical games are then.

>>719556174
PC has almost no physical games, it's a shame but the trade off is that you can buy shit at 90% discounts
console games still have physical games, so fighting to keep it alive is a worthwhile endeavor. in addition, digital console games are overpriced so there's not even a benefit to them.

>3 undyeable dungeon sets in a row again
Imagine working "so hard" on a dual dye channel system and not making every set you release dyeable.

>>719556532
It really has shown that every single company is more greedy than Nintendo.

>>719556670
wrong thread tranny

>>719555469
>it wasn't fine when others did it
Yet no one bitched about it back then and no one is bitching about it right now on the current playstation and xbox

>>719547890
>Xbox
Who?

>>719556538
The longer this goes on the worse it gets so they better do something regardless.

>>719556316
Sounds like a cope, I haven't lost access to any of my digital games on console

>you can actually control the files on pc you dolt
Can you? On Steam?

>>719556595
A lot of digital games are also always on sale on Nintendo eShop

>>719556989
Yes? Every game is in an easy to find normal PC folder. If the only form of DRM is steamapi.dll, it can be freed easily. You don't even need to have Steam client open, just use the .exe in the folder.

>>719557043
third party and or indies, sure
good luck finding a mario, zelda or pokemon for 10 bucks lol
the cheapest way to buy nintendo games like that by far are used physical copies, which only exists through physical

>>719556841
It's just NDS, just like the only time people bitched about paid online was when Nintendo did it.

>>719554346
>animeposter is retarded
Every time, like clockwoik

>>719557190
anime website

>>719557137
underage fag missed ps4 launch

>>719557128
>good luck finding a mario, zelda or pokemon for 10 bucks lol
We're talking about key cards here, they're supposed to be a problem because they're basically digital, and you"re saying that digital in Nintendo is basically a problem vs. PC because they don't go on sale, why the fuck are you bringing games that can be purchased physically in the full cart?

See? This is what I don't get about you faggots

>>719557263
I remember people explicitly saying how sony ponies at the time were dead silent about it.

>>719557263
Snoys were happy the PS4 was not the Xbox One at the time and you were able to play used games, nobody had time to bitch about paid online.

>>719557296
i'm not talking about key cards, my post is about digital vs physical and why it has a trade off on PC but doesn't on console

>>719557137
I know I know. Just pointing out the obvious anti-nintendo bias

>>719546456
I don’t mind it for smaller indie titles that still want to have a physical presence on shelves.

>>719557263
I didn't, and what I saw made me lose hope in Snoys.

>So PSN is now a paid thing...
>Well, at least you can lend and borrow your games! Fuck Xbox!, for the players amirite?

>>719556989
>Can you? On Steam?
worst case scenario of steam going rogue it'll be on par with console corpos
arguably better since they got legally fucked into offering a better experience, something that's still a far cry on consoles with their no refunds policy
and pc as a platform just can't be walled in, piracy will always exist and so will the basic file management that ensures you can't have your game files taken away and have recourse for it

>>719557408
But the entire point was in regards to key cards = bad, why are you bringing Nintendo games that are always physical?

>>719547653
afaik PS and Xbox have a different problem, where the game is on the disc but has to be written to the hard drive anyway, because the games are so huge and demanding now the console won't be able to read it from the disc fast enough for it play properly.

>>719547653
>B-but muh whataboutism!!!!
>SSOSONNNYYY !!!!!
>MICROOSSOFT!!!!!!
Take that cock out of your throat.
It's a terrible practice regardless of who does it, trying to divert attention away at other people doing similar things is equally as pathetic

>>719557476
anon brought up PC and called out a hypocrisy perceived by him. i merely answered why it isn't one. PC is different from console. PC games are cheap, console games are not.

>>719557492
In other words, it's okay when they do it

>>719557536
Then where are the related anti-sony/Ms threads talking about it?

I will point out hipocrisy and double standards when I see it, deal with it.

>>719557582
gkcs are worse because they need a download. discs can at least be installed offline. also switch 2's storage is tiny compared to other consoles

>>719557549
But console games also go on sale, that's the whole point, your argument is flawed.

>>719557707
you will never buy mario kart for 20 bucks on the e-shop, even 10 years from now.

>>719557832
Again, you're talking about a Nintendo game that is also present in physical form, this discussion pertains to Key-Cards, most games that are on Key-Cards are also available digitally on the eshop and will have sales.

>>719557910
Even sales for third party games on Switch are pretty poor

>>719557910
you need to learn how to read. don't reply to people without reading their points. PC games are cheap, console games are not.

>>719557951
But console games also go on sale.

>>719557945
Now that depends on the games and the publisher, got pretty good deals on the bioshock and amnesia trilogies, most indie games can be found for dirt cheap too. Rarely have I ever spent more than $5 on one.

>>719557945
not tamagotchi, who beat deathstranding every week

>>719558069
console sales don't matter if your main titles will never be sold cheap outside of the used physical market. this is a console problem that PC doesn't have

The storage/GKC situation and lack of upscaling of Switch 1 games in handheld mode are my biggest issues with the Switch 2, and the fact that Nintendo did everything they could to obscure information about these things before launch shows that they knew they had a problem worth complaining about.

It would be really easy to fix all this shit, but I don't see it happening. The old heads at Nintendo are too stubborn to admit mistakes or failure, as proven by their way of handling Mario Kart World's fan response (releasing a patch and lying about its contents)

>>719558109
>>719557910
Read, retard. Wanna keep arguing in circular logic? Or are you literally that stupid that you don't get why this is a fucking retarded point?

Tell me if I need to use crayons for you to understand it

but nintendo doesn't even use game key cards
how can they possibly give up on something they never use

>>719558191
you are fighting ghosts
you never read my initial post and are lost on what this is even about
PC is not the Switch 2
therefore PC users and Switch 2 users have a completly different experience
Mario Kart being sold for 80 bucks is a Switch 2 users' problem, the PC user doesn't care
hence physical is good to keep on Switch 2 despite not being on PC

>>719558176
I think Nintendo was pretty up front about GKCs desu. They talked about them a bit before launched and they're clearly indicated (unlike other consoles' games with mandatory downloads)

Compeltely agree about the lack of improvements in handheld mode. Really, there's a shortage of games with Switch 2 patches in general.

>>719558314
>you never read my initial post and are lost on what this is even about
I fucking did, on the other hand, (You) didn't read mine, you entered a conversation I was having with another retard that was in regards to Key Cards, where one of my points was that PC fags have double standards when it comes to digital on consoles, you started going on a tangent about how "PC is cheaper than consoles", then tried to isolate that point from the rest of the conversation, that's not how it works you moron, it's still connected to the main point, that's why, when I brought up the fact that consoles have sales and you thought you could easily slide in "b-but Nintendo" rethoric, I rightfully called out your retardation.

>hence physical is good to keep on Switch 2 despite not being on PC
Which is exactly what Nintendo is doing with their own games, retard.

>>719554123
Half true. For example, Jedi Survivor still requires a 100GB download.

>>719558592
it was not a conversation it was an open question
>Which one is it faggots?
my answer is, you can be a PC gamer and still want physical to remain for consoles
then you spazzed out over console digital sales as if that matters, PC gamers can still rationally push back against consoles going full digital
third parties go on sales, yes. on average it'll still be cheaper on PC, i know because i buy both. despite that though, the best way to buy nintendo for cheap is physical used.
another reason why physical going away is bad.
>but Mario exists physically!!
yes, so? releasing less physical games is still a net negative even as a Steam user

>>719558817
>my answer is, you can be a PC gamer and still want physical to remain for consoles
Which is something that Nintendo is actively pushing by putting their own games in physical format. Then offering Key-Card alternative to cheap third party developers doesn't really mean anything if they don't set the example themselves, (and It's still a preferable to the "code in a box" bullshit that companies were using before, but that's besides the main point)

This is why using Nintendo's own games as an example for your "PC games are cheaper than console" is retarded, because this entire thread is about key-cards, which means Nintendo games are automatically excluded from the conversation.

>PC gamers can still rationally push back against consoles going full digital
No, they can't, they buy full digital, that'ss the market they support, and companies are noticing, it's retarded to think otherwise.

>the best way to buy nintendo for cheap is...
And again with this...

>releasing less physical games is still a net negative even as a Steam user
Yet you keep supporting a digital only avenue, curious.

>>719546456
Demand is driven entirely by third parties, once their demand ceases Nintendo will cease production, it's as easy as that.

>>719559376
>It's still a preferable to the "code in a box"
this is true but it's also a very important point to pay closer attention to. the push back is precisely because they are NOT using it as a mere alternative to code in a box. but using it as a way to cheap out on cartridge costs instead. which is just one further step away from physical. give them an inch, they take a mile.

i understand that key cards are not for first parties. but do you want to wait until they are? you know that PC games used to decorate store shelves in prior days aswell right? with actual CD Roms in them. Neither you nor me know what Nintendo will do in the future with their first parties. sure we can assume that they'll stay physical for a few more generations. But i'd rather show them now that i prefer physical while i still have that option at all.

>No, they can't, they buy full digital, that'ss the market they support, and companies are noticing, it's retarded to think otherwise.
that's just wrong. when you don't have an option, you don't have an option. precisely why pushing back before you lose it matters.
people still buy physicals on PC when they come up, like BG3. it's just a rare thing now and opting to never buy another PC game won't fix that.

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>>719557647
We had them years ago when you had to download content to actually play the game that is ostensibly on the disc. The Spyro reignited trilogy is probably the most egregious example I personally encountered as you had to download a patch to play Spyro 2 and 3.

It just didn't matter because big gay retards would cope post about how DOWNLOADZ AR DA FUTURE!!1!1!11!!!!!!! And then the game still sold fine because most people were either oblivious or didn't care. Activision silently released a revision/reprint later with those mandatory patches being included on the disc funnily enough.

Now I'm in this dumb thread years later seeing even big and gayer retards like (you) cope post about how you didn't see threads complaining about this because you're a newfag, so Nintendo being a decade late as per usual is now HECKIN BASED!!!!!1!1!!!!11!

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>>719547653
>>this is fine
NO IT FUCKING ISN'T
I DON'T WANT MY OG XBOX GAMES TAKING UP SPACE
FUCK OFF

>>719559747
>they are NOT using it as a mere alternative to code in a box
I'd wager that they are, a lot of these key-card games would have been codes if not for this format, it's still cheap as fuck, I agree, but AT LEAST you have the borrow/resell value with those.

>but do you want to wait until they are?
Which is why I'm kind of glad they're underperforming, there are games like FFVIIR which I can sort of understand going for Key-Cards due to file size, but shit like bravely default was Jewish as hell.

I don't agree with the excessive hatred over then or targeting Nintendo and/or the Switch 2 in regards to them though.

>that's just wrong. when you don't have an option
But that's the whole point, the MOMENT you turn to steam, you agree to enter a digital-only environment, you UNDERSTAND that you will only get digital games through that ecosystems, and complained NOTICE this, they realize: "Steam is digital only and popular, that means digital is the future!"

>But there are no alternatives!
There used to be, as you mentioned, but steam "proved" that digital is just "the way to go", because of how popular is is.

Honestly, it's miracle how Nintendo themselves are still advocating for the physical format, considering the trends.

>>719559976
>The Spyro reignited trilogy
Those threads targeted the Spyro game and ActiBlizzard, not Sony/MS for allowing it to happen, other than the occasional PCfag coming in to brag about how they had it better, there was never a targeted campaign against the companies, it was simply shrugged as an "overall" gaming trend.

That was the difference, I was there too, retard.

>>719552158
>It's just the turbo nerd collector-fag minority
There's a lot of non collector people that can't justify paying $60 or more for something they can't hold with their hands.
Add the fact you can't get rid of it to recover some of that spent money and you'll understand why physical is popular.

>>719546456
>Nintendo

Yet all of the game key cards are third party games, curious.

>>719560390
the transition from physical to digital was pretty similar with Steam
i used to buy physical until i noticed that everytime i buy a physical game, it just has a code in it and no actual game. at which point i just started downloading instead.
they made the decision for me. it's either quit vidya or buy digital.
i don't think that Steam is popular because it's better than having the option of choosing between digital or physical. it's simply a monopoly.
i do think that digital will always be popular through sheer convenience. but if physical dies, in any medium. it's not because people didn't buy it, it's because it was cheaper for the companies.

>>719560846
>i used to buy physical until i noticed that everytime i buy a physical game, it just has a code in it and no actual game
There in lies the problem., if digital overcame physical in the PC market, it's because at some point, companies began experimenting how much they could get away with physical, and "people" (as in the collective majority) were okay with this, even if (You) weren't.

That's why (You), the minority, couldn't do anything about it when companies suddenly started using code-in-a-box bullshit.

And now with the demand that steam has, this has become irreversible, at least in the PC market.

>>719547653
The playstation and xbox way of doing things is not fine, but the switch 2 way is obviously worse

>>719558176
Nintendo’s habit of playing coy about hardware specifics before launch has always been frustrating. It’s like clockwork at this point - they hype the platform, talk up "new ways to play," but then stay dead silent on limitations and caveats until people have the box in-hand and start asking questions. The lack of upscaling for legacy games really stings, especially when emulators on PC pull it off with minimal effort. No reason it couldn’t have been done here unless they actively chose not to.

And yeah, the GKC stuff? Total band-aid. It’s their quiet way of phasing out carts without making headlines. If third parties normalize it, Nintendo will follow suit down the line under the guise of “supporting partners.” Then they’ll pretend like they never used real cartridges in the first place.

>>719562685
I would have been fine even with a 3DS like "fix" where it just displays the Switch 1 games with black inset borders. Anything at all would be welcome at this point, other than dead silence. They can't REALLY expect people to stay silent about it for it's entire lifespan, can they? Certainly they knew fans would want better than this and have a plan in store for mass patching? Cmon man...

GKC is disgusting, I appreciate the fact that us tendies have been spoiled by Nintendo being the last to move in an all digital direction but the way they take up storage space and will eventually be nonfunctional just isn't acceptable. Nintendo COULD have waited until they had a cheaper way to make carts with more according sizes. They SHOULD have. No one was clamoring for a rushed Switch 2

>>719546456
It's basically no different from what the switch had. I recently tested all the switch games I've bought and literally half of them can't boot without a day one update and I'm not talking about random third party shit I'm talking kirby, luigi's mansion, etc. It's not a surprise people were very put off by this shit on the original switch and are avoiding it at all costs on the switch 2. If I can't own the entire game on a cartridge what's the fucking point of a console?

>>719563252
>I appreciate the fact that us tendies have been spoiled by Nintendo being the last to move in an all digital direction
wat? codes in boxes and mandatory downloads were a bigger problem for switch than ps4 and xbone

>>719564659
They were? I don't remember any titles being download only and THPS 3+4 on the Switch 2 is the first time I've seen them do a code in a box

>>719564764
not him but off the top of my head lego city

>>719564957
What reason did they have to justify it for Lego City of all games?

>>719555184
>Console has been out for 2 months and there's tons of games announced for this year alone, how many games the Switch 1 in that time? Suddenly those were all worthwile?
I didn't buy Switch at launch and cannot really say how that went.
I do know that Gamecube had a much better launch even with a weak 1st party title like Luigi's Mansion.
This is N64 tier now and that one started to get great games quite fast despite its meager library size.

>>719546456
>>All because they refused to produce a new cartridge with a larger internal memory and cheaped out
most game key card games are under the 64gb that's on the switch 2 cards introducing an even larger version would do nothing, publishers just choose them because they're cheaper

>>719565061
The games released so far have been from good to great between the two first party exclusives and the multiplats. The issue with the Switch 2's launch is nearly everything but the quality of games available

>>719547330
Developers saw the backlash and are now trying to save face.
Notice they ALL Nintendo 1st party games are normal carts.

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>>719565414
Nintendo led 3rd party publishers to Game Key Cards like sheep to the slaughter. Devs saw them ahead of console launch and went "ooo, cheaper option, score," and are now facing awful sales and reception because of it. Meanwhile, Nintendo GKCs in one hand, and in the other they put all their own stuff on normal karts.

>>719554658
so what you're saying is that 20 years ago sony figured out how to put entire games on discs and have them work 20 years later but somehow nintendo cant figure this out in 2025? thats kind of embarassing.

>>719546456
They will drop them when thirdparty devs stops supporting Nintendo with the low sales of their games as key card only.

>>719552801
>Game key cards are the only thing keeping third parties (not Nintendo) from selling you a 1 time use download code
they do that anyway
>>719553503
download codes are truly pointless, those are a true waste of fuel and plastic, just use the fucking eshop at that point