>didn't have the mid term relevance that the ff7 remakes and e33 still have>won't have a long term cultural impact that's comparable to persona 3-5 and smt despite being the "third pillar" of atlusWhat went wrong?
>>719564334Even reddit has turned its back to this game after a while lmaothe definition of honeymoon
it's still a good game it's just not a masterpiece. why are you mad about an inoffensive 8/10 game?for reference>ff7 remake - 6/10>ff7 rebirth - 9/10>expedition 33 - 9.6/10
Mid gameMid storyMid mapTop tier game playSuperficial use of demon imageryIt got popular (briefly) only because of the globohomo, social-justice, trannified "message" in it
>>719564334dont like this game but the obsession with cultural impact comes down to a bunch of losers wanting more gay youtube video essays written for their weird parasocial fandom obsession right?
>>719564653Ah yeah the music is forgettable too
>>719564334Main upside of this game is that it took Hashino off of Persona so a potentially competent writer could take over. Unfortunately Atlus seems to be taking their sweet fucking time with Persona 6 and Metaphor wasn't a break-out success, so Hashino could worm his way into P6's development.
>/v/ tells me this is better than Persona>it is LITERALLY Persona with shit renamed>the writing is somehow worse because everyone speedruns joining your cause>main plot is villains going NUH UH whenever you do something>can't even say it has good music because it's Meguro's shitty MIDI orchestra
>>719564653>It got popular (briefly) only because of the globohomo, social-justice, trannified "message" in itthe funny part is that it's not pozzed. it actually shits on journo ideology, they just didn't play it long enough to see it happen
>>719564653>>719564872I'm really tired of this genre of poster on 4chan
catherina's social link might be the one of the most insulting storylines ever written by atlus but no one realized it since everything about this game is so forgettable
>>719564653The message of the game is that every political system has winners and losers, people will hate each other for reasons no one can control, and that there's no magic solution to society's ills so you should just do what you can to help people.
>>719564334Who did it worse?you could feel the disappointment from that reveal trailer
>>719564975>I'm really tired of sane, heterosexual male posters on 4chanmaybe try plebbit then you freak.
>>719564975Dilate good then
>>719564334Also the villain wasn't really a villain in the, like the majority of other Atlus games no one of the main characters has any real counterargument against his motives other than "le justice will prevail thanks to le power of friendship" and other power ranger ass catchphrases
ITT:
>>719565302he's a lying politician. no one has arguments against his words because they're meant to sound good and enticing. where his villainy comes in is his ultimate plan
>>719564743Stay mad
>>719565513Isn't his ultimate plan just libertarianism taken to its logical extreme? Beating his ass doesn't exactly refute it, it just shows that he personally is incapable of living up to his own standards.
>>719564784I think Atlus just let Hashino finish Metaphor and waited for him to return directing Persona 6 series.As for the success of Metaphor, in a few years normies will love the game when the rerelease comes out, and everyone forgets the first version even existed. This happened with P5.
>>719565473Oh no no no, Fagtazio sisters
It was a great game, you fucks hate everything and dont even play videogames
>>719565821Atlus won in the end, I can't complain.
>>719565935>great gameIt's persona 5 with worse characters music ui story and side quests
>>719566035>barely beating out a shitty indie>an accomplishmentAtlus couldn't be any more cooked..
>>719566035make sure to keep this energy when one of the 2 games wins GOTY
>>719565302>no one of the main characters has any real counterargument against his motivesStrohl outright states what’s wrong with his ideology.
>>719564334I personally don't think anything went wrong. I just learned my lesson and aren't gonna buy this shit until Metaphor Full Body Vengeance Royale. And if I'm wrong and Atlus won't do it for this title, then that's on Atlus for burning me all those previous times.
>>719566289But I though journos were le bad though?!? We need do align our discourse again, E33 sisters! Back to our discord!
Its still one of my favorite JRPGs to release the last few years, the fact it makes some schizos like OP seethe a year later is the cherry on topMy only wish was the ending not being so open bcuz I am sure the next Metaphor game wont feature the same castAlso Eupha best girl and Strohl best boy.
>>719566767is that why you posted the journo scores and not the user ones? feel free to post the user review comparison, make sure to post both metacritic and steam for good measure
>>719566865>userscoresAh yes, very reliable quality metric.
>>719566814Strohl is the best Atlus bro ever made.
>>719566767You atlustroons are the ones who allied with stillbirth when convenient so piss off
>>719567118Cope. still a more reliable metric than tranny journos. I'd trust the opinion of my dog after watching a let's play than a journo.
>>719566814based fellow metaphorbro
>>719566814For me, it's Racist Bat Dad.
>>719567409>obsessed with tranniesSeek help
>>719564334I really truly dislike the art direction and character design of this game so fucking much I never even gave it a chance. I watched the intro on Youtube and it seemed pretty cool at least up to that point but I'm not buying no game and then get hit with a new better version releasing a month later. Where is the improved Golden Royal version of Metaphor? Did the game sell so bad is not even getting an improved version like SMTV did?
>>719564989they can't go full commie with her, she would need a huge chunk of the plot to resolve that shit
>>719565549>written by a woman>PC Gamerlol no
China won
>>719568101>I really truly dislike the art directionFiltered
>>719567658Heismay is the bestOOOOOOH POWER OF KINGS
>>719570556Tits don't move like that irl
im just waiting until metaphor re-elected
>>719565042I think TMS has got a better combat system, but having all of the non-main story stuff being idol shit makes me skip all of the dialogue in repeat playthroughs, unlike in Metaphor which I reread everything.
For me it's the combat music that plays when you get ambushed and everyone starts fucking dying
>>719571429formidable foe playing while fighting fishy fandango in the timed dungeon was peak
WOKE GARBAGE THAT PREACHED TOLERANCE BULLSHIT WILL NEVER BE GOTY
>>719564334>What went wrong?Simple
>>719571850Defend this
>>719565549>/v/trannies are unironically posting game journo sludge as counterarguments
>>719572036Legit it was unironically this. It makes even less sense why this game didn't have it cause it would have fit way more than it does even in the Persona games. There was quite literally no reason to not have romance with your party members in this game.
>>719571954thats actually what goty is all the time
>>719572119i learned from previous Atlus games, always learn sukukaja/sukunda as soon as you can
>>719572036good, no time for shipping shit, i play games for the ADVENTURE
>>719572278To be fair I don't see how romance in Persona is any better. There's like 2 cutscenes where they declare their love, and then nothing for rest of the game. It doesn't even acknowledge it anywhere else.
>>719564334I literally just beat this the other day now I'm in the metaphor threads. Like saturday I beat this
It's the wokest propaganda machine ever disguised as a JRPG. Forget dungeons every fucking boss fight is actually a mandatory HR training module. The ultimate weapon in the end game is a fucking a gender-neutral stapler of inclusivity. The main questline? Filling out a 300-page diversity report in triplicate before you’re allowed to cast Fireball. Side quests include organizing a goblin Pride parade, teaching orcs proper pronoun usage, and canceling a dragon on social media for problematic tweets from 600 years ago. Hell, the final boss isn’t even a monster—it’s an old white wizard who refuses to attend his company’s equity seminar. Anyone who calls this game “fantasy” is lying. It’s basically LinkedIn with turn-based combat.
>>719566035>good reviewed game>launch the beta>Horrible textures, weird conflicting menu art that has no connection to ingame assets, NO ANTI-ALIASINGuuuhhh
I'd be willing to bet around half the posts in these threads are from the OP. Failing that if you've been in one of these threads you've seen the exact same people desperate to shit on it that's in all of them
Anon, if it was one guy samefagging and you knew that, it would make your reply more retarded. Not even giving you a (You).
>>719573827If my post gets you any closer to hanging yourself from a tree I see that as a win Every time one of these threads pops up it ends up being a good argument for total internet surveillance
>>719573970Unlike you, /v/ shitting on a game doesn't make me suicidal.
>>719574128True, it's the reality of the games you shit on that makes you suicidal
>>719564334Should I get this for the Switch or PC? Is it reactive combat like E33 or something more slow paced like Fire Emblem? If it's like FE I'd like it handheld.
All Persona games are mediocre. Why was this the one that made people wake up?
>>719564334The urban fantasy theme isn't as memorable as SMT or Persona's more grounded settings and the plot is boring political infighting slop like FFXII instead of making the stakes more personal.
>>719574912Are you coping? The game sold 2 million copies in 6 months. P5 would've been able to do that if it was multiplat and global at launch but as it stands literally no other atlus game has gotten close to that
>>719572036meh the game would have been mediocre regardless of the dating system. The characters are just not very memorable. There's nothing that stands out about this game
>>719570873transcoded award
>>719575474He said into the void on /v/ for the 100th time
>>719572865>Forget dungeons every fucking boss fight is actually a mandatory HR training module.People don't hate Refantazio enough for this.You're just farming "goodboy" points for the majority of the game. Every time you do a heckin society, you see an animation of your good boy points increasing.
>>719565549>>719575128atlus fags you guys need to make up your minds, what's the "win" here? Is it sales or user score? Please update the narrative so i can keep up
>>719575930>replying to copy pasta seriously
>>719576000Update your english and learn how to read so your posts stop being unintelligible
>>719565302I hated that they made him turn into a typical atlus chaosfag at the end
>>719564334Its boring.The character designs arent interesting, the world doesnt look interesting, the monster and personas are bland as fuck and even the main character looks like a dork.The only cool design in this game is the main villain, but only because he kinda resembled Griffith a little bit
It's pretty pitiful when you can easily recognize every poster from previous threads about a game on /v/ including the schizo rat that made it (that will probably last about as long as all the others did too) I don't know what it was exactly but this game succeeding sure mindbroke a little bunch of retards
Is it gonna get a royal version?Im not gonna buy vanilla only for Metaphor 1.5 to get announced a few months later.
>>719570873>best art direction>picrel looks ai generated
I vastly preferred the archetypes to personas. Job system for every party member is fun, and while I love my parties of SMT demons, the Persona personas are just equips and you barely see them.They also did the best job at making your party members feel "alive" that I've seen anyone do. They have so many responses and lines to different things going on in battle it's insane. I ended up giving most characters half the archetype tree just to hear what they said in combat.
>>719572036So-called RPG fans when the game doesn't feature mediocre, half-baked dating sim mechanics.
>>719576729Every atlus game apart from p3 has had the rerelease get announced like 2 years later. I feel like it's the same 2 or 3 people in these threads saying this every time
>>719576848Why? There's very little room for customization and hardly a reason to use 90% of the Archetypes.
>>719576889>I feel like it's the same 2 or 3 peopleDing ding ding
>>719572036>the only reason people still talk about Persona 3, 4 and 5 are the girls>the only reason people still talk about Baldurs Gate 3 were the romance options>the only reason Expedition 33 attracted so many non JRPG players were the cute girlsI dont care for romance in video games, but its pretty obvious that the majority of people do. Not having them in your RPG is just sabotaging yourself
>>719576849i'm not really a fan of the dating system, but absence of it highlights how boring the usual 'persona routine' is. Particularly when the dungeons are so simplistic and uncreative
>>719577483Actually it was the low price and soulsslop combat stapled onto turnbased (and the astroturf campaign) that got normies to pay attention to E33
>>719577569You are so retarded bro. You could remove "romance" from Persona and they'd be 99.9% the same games.
>>719577129Very little room for customization? What? You can give any archetype to any character and inherit any learned skill on them. That is the opposite.
>>719576060First time I’ve seen it.It perfectly summarized the typical game loop, at least when you’re in towns.
>>719577850Somehow I doubt that
>>719577734The Archetypes themselves, dingus. Before endgame you get 1-3 slots to play around with. Even 4 isn't enough because most of the time you're better off slotting in passives. It's incredibly boring compared to building a roster of Persona you can switch between on the fly.
>>719565549holy reddit
>>719578051>when anon is desperate for (You)s so he has to fly by the seat of his pants and hope he's arguing with someone who remembers the game as poorly as he is making it look like he played it Have one for pity
>>719578189cool cope anon
>>719577938I thought the “HR training module” reference was an apt comparison. If you’ve ever worked an office job, you basically just spam the next button until you eventually get to the “Congrats, you completed the module” screen. Well, if you do the same in Refantazio, you see animated stars increasing your heckin’ society bars. You can even listen to the same module over and over again and see your bars go up. But careful, if you spend too much time in the training modules, you won’t be able to wage slave in the dungeons! It’s the same tedious loop everytime you visit a new town and ATLUS gets away with it every single fucking time.
It's even funnier because this is literally the only dude on the internet that calls it "Refantazio" and all his other posts are equally as unhinged
>>719579378It sounds gay no matter how you say it.That’s the biggest downside of calling your game “Metaphor Refantazio”.
>>719577609Step out of your tranny Discord for once in your miserable life you mentally ill freak of nature.
This is actually my first Atlus game. I enjoyed it a lot, and I usually have a very hard time getting into story focused games.But I had a lot of fun building my party, constantly having specific class goals to work towards, and the game had a world that was interesting enough that I looked forward to exploring it.Story was fine, characters fine, girls cute. OST forgettable except the island theme. What a tune.So obviously the first thing I did after playing this game was get Persona 5. Clearly I've been missing out.P5 is definitely better in many aspects, but gameplay is not one of them. Combat is boring, but there's practically 0 character or party building. Collecting new personas is fun enough but it feels extremely limiting that only the MC can use them. There's no synergy to build, just your extremely OP MC and his boring lackeys.Extremely disappointed. Dropped it during the bank dungeon.
>>719580269>There's no synergy to build, just your extremely OP MC and his boring lackeysI'm not defending P5 because everything you said is true, but this sums up Metaphor too
>>719580379I just felt like I MADE the MC OP in Metaphor. I built my party around buffing him and debuffing enemies to favor him. It was a conscious choice to do so.
>>719564334>>didn't have the mid term relevance that the ff7 remakes and e33 still havewell to be fair, the remake trilogy are not finished yet and people are still on the honeymoon phase with e33
>>719580508Yeah but he's good no matter what class you make him. You're basically switching Personas.
>>719564334I don't care. I liked it well enough and would buy a sequel.
>>719580592I guess I was fooled just enough to get a much bigger enjoyment out of that type of building.For me, having character building goals throughout the game is really important.I just finished Fall of Avalon and that game kept me going for the same reason. There's always a new fun skill point to go for that'll slightly change the way I play, all throughout the game.
>>719564334Still the best game of 2024, Astro Bot can go fuck itself.
>>719580269Now you need to play SMTVV if you want good gameplay cause it mogs both so fucking hard it's unreal.
>>719580379Not really since Metaphor's Synthesis skills are very strong.
>>719565513I can't get over how his real plan is literally just Wesker's shit from RE5 kek
>>719581006Yeah? I was never in to Nintendo consoles so SMT has always flown under my radar.
>>719564975ky$ tr4nnie faggot, the world hates you ugly freaks. Addicted to sex like perverted losers.
I thought Louis was neat
>>719580950>Still the best game of 2024, Astro Bot can go fuck itself.Atlus had the trans vote, a perfect release window, and all the momentum. And they still couldn't win GOTY. That's how bad the game was.
>>719581102SMT is kind of different, although it shares lots of elements with Persona, and the combat system with Metaphor. Instead of having party members that are characters, you make your own party by recruiting demons. Lots and lots of different demons. It's always felt like a much more fun Pokemon to me, and SMTVV has by far the most options for customizing your demons. There's way less focus on story and dialogue, but it's cool anyway. Can heavily recommend.
>>719581102SMTV was a Switch exclusive but they later ported it to both console and PC with SMTV Vengeance which is also just way better than the Switch version. SMT is the game you play if you don't care that much about the story and just want fun ass team building and autistic demon fusioning.
>>719581142>journalists vote for a journalist friendly game to win journalist award>/v/ermins still use these awards as a metric of success
>>719581503>fun ass team building and autistic demon fusioning.Neither of which are present in SMT5.
If the shitposters would like to hold off, I want to know if this game is genuinely good. I don't like Nu-sona, but I do like the old Atlus titles like DDS and SMTIV, and am wondering if this is really just P5 but fantasy or if it's something I might enjoy?
>>719581625>SMTV the game with the best team building and demon fusion mechanics of any SMT>neither of which are present in SMT5Have a you for your lazy bait.
>>719581674Metaphor to me is like the nice middle ground between the gameplay focus of SMT and the story focus of Persona. It also makes the social aspects way more impactful to the plot so you feel like it's worth doing instead of the redundant meandering you do in Persona. I like it. It's definitely a bit unpolished but it's a really solid game.
>>719581674It's Persona but with an actual plot instead of just highschool vibes and it uses SMT/DDS battle mechanics instead
>>719581674>trusting /v/ when youtube exists
>>719581776>It also makes the social aspects way more impactful to the plotkek
>>719581780>>719581776Ok, but is that plot any good? Is this like a Xenogears or Vagrant Story tier of quality, or is it just another P5 slopfest?
>mid term relevance that the ff7 remakesYou mean the handful of dedicated schizos shitposting about it being good and/or uncriticizable?
>>719581478>>719581503This actually sounds perfect for me, thanks.I'll pick it up after I finish Triangle Strategy.
Im almost buying it since its on sale, but i just know that as soon as i do they're gonna announce the Royal version a week later.
>>719581954It's no masterpiece in writing but it's good enough to keep you wanting to progress it
>>719581625Apparently there is no game that has anything
>>719581705V and VV really have the same problem IV has, every demon is the same shit and VV's attempt to patch this with the unique passives didn't go over well because they all went into "shit" and "generate infinite press turns so you can ikuyumi the super boss to death" categories Metaphor clears hard because even if you want to give everyone their meta class for endgame you can't deck them out with 7 million passive effects. Only thing I can give VV over metaphor is Godborn difficulty and just the IDEA of it rather than what they came up with which was "set everything to level 150, do no balancing but let the player buy infinite incenses for their already fixed parties"
>>719581954>Is this like a Xenogears or Vagrant Story tier of qualityWe're not getting that anywhere else anymore anon
>>719582051I guess I shouldn't have expected a miracle. Last question: this or SMTVV if I'm an SMT fan but more into JRPGs for the story and artistry?
>>719581954You're way too much of a contrarian faggot to like this game tbqh
>Persona 3-5So it took until the third game>comparing it to a remake of a previous juggernaut of a longstanding seriesGood faith argument talking about new IPs taking off.>E33Only actual example. Next time just putE33>Metaphor in the OP so you confuse less people with your posts, thank you
>>719581893If you think a political candidate campaigning in his pursuit of swaying people to your candidate, the literal singular goal of the entire game isn't more impactful than in Persona where you just dick around and hang out with friends in between the gaps of the plot happening then you are retarded or baiting. Though in your case I'd assume both.>>719581954It's pretty good, I like that the game has a really good central conflict being the battle to rule the kingdom and a solid goal of stopping the big bad from becoming king while simultaneously supporting someone who would be good and the game does a good job of feeding all the side elements into factoring into that goal so overall the game just feels way more cohesive narratively speaking. Though it's not as good as Xenogears or Vagrant Story but it's way better than the horse shit in P5.
>>719581705Fuck no. While they aren't the worst in the series (that'd be 4) they are bottom of the barrel. Every demon ends up with two kinds of builds: an attacker with one active skill loaded up with passives or a support. It's so gay and needlessly homogenized.
>>719582164SMT V completely shits itself in the final few hours, even with the re-release. I actually got mad they didn't fix that shit.The biggest issue Metaphor has is that the textures are ugly as all hell even though the game is 80 fucking gigs
>>719582164I personally like SMTVV more but if you want story and artistry Metaphor does it better. It's nothing ground breaking but I do think Metaphor has one of the best stories of a JRPG of recent fame.
>>719583206Yeah, I thought Xenoblade 3 was kind of a misfire, so maybe I’ll try this.
because the thing that it claimed to do well, aka have the art style of hieronymus bosch, it didnt do well. They stopped the aesthetic around the 2nd zone, baby boss, everything else after that shouldve been weirder and weirder into the bosch art style. instead we got generic jrpg evil man, a volcano, modern day building, and 3 towers with dragons on top as bosses instead of unique hieronymus bosch bosses. thats whyit claimed to be >hieronymus bosch personabut it didnt do persona nor hieronymus bosch well
>>719564334I don't feel like playing a 200 hour jrpg with cringe writing. I don't know what it is between vidya and anime lately, but jap writing is just fucking grating to me all of a sudden.
>>719585403it also didnt do anythign with the sword skateboard, shouldve had some nice platforming instead it was just a sprint button and that one lame af jumping section
>>719585553>jap writing is just fucking grating to me all of a sudden.yea, E33 made me racist against asians.i now believe japanese people unironically lack certain cognitive abilities.
>>719575554This, but just until E33 wins, then we will shift the narrative.
>>719564334"costumes" too gay, main protag too gay, first dungeon too long and boring
>>719586382If you win GOTY AND transcoded awards, you're safe.We only need to shift the narrative if E33 doesn't win GOTY.
>Game's main message is racism bad>Racism in the entire game never goes beyond "haha you different tribe stinky" >There are no tribe-specific towns/villages; everywhere is insanely diverse, even a backwater border town in the middle of the desert>No racial conflicts/tensions in any of the diverse towns The narrative says one thing, the environment says another
Its a decent game, but it lacks a lot of the social links of a Persona game when its a "Fantasy SMT Persona" . That's the disappointment. I may still pick it up, but it seems that the major issues are>Lack of social/character/relationship elements that people enjoy from Persona titles>Not really a "kingdom simulator" with significant choices to make>The primary antagonist starts off great, but devolves into mustache twirling evil for the sake of evil, strength and power etc.. rather than the more complex and maybe-he's-not-so-wrong-but-still-his-approach that was teased.If they could have fixed some of this stuff with an update or a "royal" version, it could have been much better
>>719587312>Game's main message is racism bad>There are no tribe-specific towns/villagesTry playing the game.
>>719587312This nigga skipped everything and talked to no one
>>719574383Its more Persona, so somewhere between the two? . Also, buy it for PC (for mods and because the platform is overall better in every way), but if you want it for a non Steam Deck portable, then I'd pirate the Switch version .
>>719587759Even the village in Virga Island has other tribe members walking around the super secret dragon god pagan island
Not sure if i got filtered, but i dropped this game at the dragon temple. The “exploration” in this game felt so superficial, you go to a landmark and its your characters sitting ontop a png you cant explore. The optional dungeons got shorter and shorter as you progressed, and the dragon temple just felt unacceptable. I also don’t think the calendar system served a purpose, i don’t know why it needed one. I would have enjoyed a new big atlus game where i can explore freely.
>>719589269Thats because the game is shallow as fuck and is padded out with dialogue and cutscenes. After the dragon temple theres like, nothing left just empty areas that are all done after 2 seconds of running to the next screen.
thee boys outfit is not sexy enough and so i wont play it
>>719564334Masterpiece.
I liked it a lot and hope Atlus fleshes out the next Metaphor's job system
