Is "Git Gud" Toxic? What made mocking new inexperienced players such a widespread issue?
faggots like you writing your stupid articles
>>719569870How come they just can't play a game to a point where they know it better. Why do they have to quit after an hour and call it shit?Took me how long to beat Bloodborne once. And that was my first soulslike game, and it kicked my ass in all kinds of directions. Played through again this year, and now Gerhman is being a pain
>>719569870Gamers are subconsciously aware that gaming is a waste of time, so they feel the need to make it seem like a "skill" to justify their play time. The easiest way to do that is to mock people who are new. Combine that with the social inadequacies of your more advanced gamers who tend to post online and, voila.
>>719569870If you are at the stage where people tell you to git gud then you're not new anymore
Yes it is. It's basically worthless condescending "advice" that isn't helpful at all and just dismissive.
>>719569870Git gud
Reminder that the original souls games were piss easy compared to the bullshit of today. People back then were even more shit at videogames than they are now.
The fag that wrote this must've only just came on the internet.>>719570936>How come they just can't play a game to a point where they know it better. Why do they have to quit after an hour and call it shit?A lot of people bash their head against a wall trying the same thing over and over and over again thinking it'll produce a different result or they manage to brute force their way. They don't try anything different and only want to do something one specific way. It's actually retarded how often this is the case. If you've ever played a MMO, like FFXIV for example, you'd experience this hundredfold.>>719571178The idea is either get better with what you're using or try something different but with effort this time.
>>719571178Git gud
>>719571178>doesn't put in the effort to learn how to play>expects the others to put in the effort to give a helpful criticism
>>719569870It's generally a shitty way of putting it, but it's the truth. If you want to play a challenging game, you have to practice at it, learn, and improve. Just because you like the looks of the game, or some other aspect, doesn't mean you should start demanding that they change it for your benefit. You move on and find something else you like, but chances are these faggots just see it as popular and want to be in on it.It's like taking an interest in bullethells or shmups and then start complaining there are too many bullets.
>>719569870Nobody mocks new players. The ones getting mocked are the faggots who whine about something being unfairly difficult without acknowledging that they themselves are bad.
>>719569870The problem with "git gud" is faggots spouted it when people gave the games genuine criticism with how shit elden ring was. You faggots deserve future souls games which are going to be fucking rollslop simulators until the end of days.
>>719571469>>719571486It's the difficulty version of "works on my machine".
>>719571178>>719571678>Loser thinks is opinion is worth anythingSorry but who died? Who had the shitty score? That’s right, git gud
>>719571374Reminder that you should git gud>>719571668Git gud
>>719571738
How do you respond?
I never interact with game communities.I just play the game man
boasting is for teenagersgrow up
>hurr durr toxic circles that barely enter the community at large are at fault, let's put them on blast till their bullshit filters into the community at large. Game journalism is cancer.
The community is a secondary concern.The first issue is the game itself. This idea that "oh no, this community for this game is being rude" while "this game is unfair!" both come from the assumption that everyone should be able to enjoy every game.NOA good game is made by and for very similar people. A good game isn't meant for everyone, only for the people who like that kind of thing. There are lots of good games out there that I don't like, because they're not for me and never tried to be. If you make a game, or anything else, with the intended audience of everyone, then really you're making something for nobody.
>>719571998no way, poopypants
>>719569870Most of the time the whining wants things removed, like me and Tricephalos in nightrein I think it's bullshit that there's one boss with a revenge mechanic in a game with no voice chat but the devs don't, and he shouldn't be changed as much as I hate him, because ultimately I should be better at handling revenge mechanics
>>719569870No, it's a perfectly valid retort to whining retards too lazy to master game mechanics, and a suggestion that should be taken with humilityWebm related, filtered /v/ en masse
>>719572105Not alerting everyone and killing them in 3 swings.You didn't beat the game.
>>719571830Reminds me of the Skyrim zoomers
>>719571374we got gud
>>719571830git gud faggot lol
>>719572376>>719571374lol no. DS1 and even Bloodborne were way harder than Elden Ring, which is build around summoning helpers for every fight.
>>719571374I disagree, they aren't getting directly proportionally harder, there's just more mechanics and combat related systems to interface with
>the toxic community ruined the game!No, the game wasn't good to begin with. Why do you think everyone but tryhard faggots stopped playing?
>>719569870I always viewed the git gud thing as a way of being nice. As an experienced player you know that the point of the game is to get better at it, as you get better and master the game your enjoyment of the game increases exponentially. Being told to git gud is just an initiation for a new player, they might not grasp the full meaning of it at once but like Morpheous giving Neo the pill, they will understand as they learn more of the game. Then they'll be in on the joke and the cycle continues.Taking "git gud" as an insult is just proof that you're an absolute idiot.
>>719569870It's not toxic, on contrary, it's very informative.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought-terminating_clich%C3%A9It's one of the phrases notifying you that you're talking with a bot. Perhaps it's an organic flesh and blood bot, but operated by an algorithm nonetheless.
>>719571374They were, but they were also "hard" for the time. I was genuinely ready to give up on videogames until v shilled me into buying demons souls and I lived happily ever after
This is largely a journalistic cope. An attempt to shout down what they think is a mass shouting them down.In true, 'git gud' is just a simpler, more primitive way of telling someone they're not approaching the game on the games terms. It's not about mocking or denigrating people, it's about telling them that the game requires more investment and that the problem is surmountable. This is especially true of the original dark souls, where none of the demands are unreasonable or insane
Unless a game is strictly multiplayer, who gives a fuck about the community around it? Just play the fucking game. Anyone whining about the community for a single player game is just a bitch who needs support to just play a fucking game.
Men look at a mountain and see a challenge to overcome, women look at a mountain and demand we tear it down for her.
Souls games only get discussion because of pvp. Everyone else moved on and don't want to bother with them anymore. They're FOMO games first and foremost hiding behind le difficulty meme.
>>719571503I STILL suck at those games after all these years, and don't bother playing them haha
>>719572906bait or worst opinion? You decide!
instead of "get gud" we should promote "become picrel"
>>719572906lol
>>719572990You can git gud but you can never become picrel
It's not toxic, it's just good advice most people can't possible intake because they've spent their entire lives being spoonfed and crying until they get their way (like gaming journos)https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=blSXTZ3Nihs
>>719571998But I don't boast.I enjoy the challenge on my own terms because I enjoy it.Now if some faggot comes and demands that the challenge that I find fun to be lessened because he's a faggot, I tell him to git gud.Then the faggot gets mad and accuses me of boasting.
>>719572972OPIPROPBOTTLESOFISTORYYYYY
>>719572840Words to live by, although you'll probably be seen as an incel. Eh who cares.
>>719572620Git gud
>>719572840Memorizing unchanging animations of AI dummies like a trained animal in circus is not the same as the mountain climbing, no matter how you want it to be.
>>719572840>>719573434The biggest part of the troubles between male/female communication is the reason for doing so. When a male talks about problems, he's asking for help, seeing if anyone knows a way to solve this problem he's having. When a female talks about problems, she's asking for care, she doesn't really care about solving the problem, she just wants someone to care about her pain.You see this often in any relationship. Maybe incels can't relate but it's always like this. Women bitch about something, men try to fix it, and then women get mad that he didn't listen to her even though he's trying to fix it for her. It's like two closely related but entirely different methods of communication going on at the same time.So no wonder the best way to satisfy a girl is to say "damn that sucks lol" then give her the dick
>>719573740This is a thing most men have problems understanding, even in relationships.
>>719569870people who refuse to git gud are toxic losersthey refuse to git gud and instead just spread toxcicitygit gud
>>719573740Thanks but I'll keep fucking men
>>719572272>Dark Souls 1 comes out before skyrim>they called it a skyrim ripoffIt was the same thing with Dragon's Dogma. Even though Dragon's Dogma was in development before skyrim came out, people called it "poor man's skyrim"
Saw a white boy video essay talking about difficulty where he said the red knights by Vordt and Dancer in DS3 are nearly as hard as bosses. Why do people talk about souls like its some sorta kaizo cat mario type of game when it's just a methodical action game
>>719573740So what can be said about this? I can't wait till robotics advance sufficiently to enable forever forgetting about f*male shit.
>>719569870>make easy mode!nerds should be bullied
>>719569870Casuals entered a mans sport and were bad at it.
>>719569870Reminder that the toxic ones were and always are the ones crying about being told git gud. History lesson for those that want to obscure it: people would die a lot, come on the internet and bitch about how bad the game was purely from a place of ignorance and entitlement. They would be told git gud because it literally was all they needed to actually win: adapt, take time and pay attention, yet even that was beyond them because they didn't actually want to play the game, they wanted to tell people that they did. Those who genuinely wanted to learn and came with real questions were helped along, these whiners simply seethed.These same people would eventually swallow guides, be carried by others and copypaste any exploits possible since they're incapable of discovering strategy themselves, deluding themselves into thinking they actually learned how to play games because they can copy a basic approach and apply it. With the growing attention on the series leading to far more people playing them, it was subsumed by both that same type of whiny player, and the ones who were originally told to git gud, still bitter from the past, relished shitting on who they perceived to be worse purely out of revenge because again, they want the image of being better without earning it. This is also why they try to tear down anyone they think is learning more of the game and finding more caveats to keep their "gud" position. These ironically are the same people who will endlessly claim "it's just a game" to try and ruin what you enjoy when it is never just a game to them. Make no mistake, this is all a play to protect their own ego and they will never make that claim on something they're succeeding in. You can see this in how every game they're shit at is just "badly designed" and it can never be their fault because they beat Dark Souls so obviously they're "gud".
>>719572462I have platinium in bb, i finished ds 1 and 3 but few elden ring are much harder than anything you have in previous souls games. Radhan, malenia or messmer from dlc have so shitty attacks that i cheesed all of this fights. I did not cheese even single fight in previous souls games and even finished yhorm from DS3 with normal weapon
>>719574049Lothric Knights are too based
>>719574120Amen brother. Women will actually have to try.
>>719569870Git gud isn't toxic. It's just the fact of life in a souls game. Shiters give up and make up all sorts of excuses or they ask for advice. Sometimes, there really isn't anything else to do besides learning the moveset and learing when to dodge and when to attack. That's just in short.... getting good.Anyone who claims that's toxic is just a retard. And gaming journalists are by far... horrible at games because they aren't really gamers. So when people tell them to git gud... they get triggered and make stupid articles about everyone being toxic to them instead of learning how to fucking play.
>>719574282that's because they're designed for you to have summons. I guess they could be considered the hardest games if you solo the whole thing
>>719574309i'm only playing for the story
>>719569870Because most gamers aren't terminally online neets who just grind vidya all day long and expect everyone else to perform just as well.Many of us play games mostly casually to unwind after studies or work, we don't need some tryhards butting in and ruining our fun.
toxicity is just banterlibleft faggot retards who grew up in a single mother household can't take the bants
>>719574358Ofc i used summons before i started cheese. On radhan dlc i even cheesed with summon that i was healing. They have much more complicated moveset and i cant learn them. Frida 2nd tryGael 1st tryKos one fayER bosses im talking about 2 weeks of dying
>>719574271Meanwhile actual good games just had cheat codes that let you do whatever the fuck you want with it.GitGud fags will defend the worsts games ever just to feel good about their ego because everything they love must be good
Once you understand the true meaning of "git gud" you'll be flattered whenever someone says it to you.
>>719572272i bet all of these people say its a classic now and try to flex that they've been a souls fan since its releasethey are akin to depths rats
>>719574049>it's just a methodical action gameYeah, these games aren't hard, they're just punishing if you're retarded and don't pay attention.
>>719569870Git Gud was only ever used in the context of the whiner, who desperately thought that there was some kind of "trick" to getting through something. When it was only ever a lack of personal skill. If you are on level, have the right equipment and are using the right enchantment, nothing should stop you from beating the game as long as you understand the basics of the game. If you can't understand the fundamentals, then you should go back and try again. Trying to get the devs to nerf content because you can't pass it, just to satisfy your fragile ego is incredibly depreciating to everyone and the sooner that society stops trying to cater to them, the sooner things will get better for 99% of people.
>>719574405I absolutely agree, it's extremely annoying that these tryhard journos and crybabies constantly demand games get changed and made easier ruining the fun of everyone already playing them because they just want to look the part as a fan of "popular series". Enough of these tryhard posers.
Elden Ring made the game as accessible as it can get>no invasions>co-op right outside the boss room>graces everywhere, easy to spot>not many shortcuts to unlock, getting lost in a level is almost impossible (some exceptions)>spirit ashes in areas with tough ennemies>dozens of builds online which can carry you through the game>wiki gives more info than most guides for other games>AI hasn't changed since the DS1 days, only the attack animations>Torrent makes travelling through the overworld without fighting possible, only exception are some ennemies>stealth is viable through most levels and the overworld>no covenants, most questlines can be skipped>shield + bleed spear invalidates most bosses>mage with summons is also viableOnly a specific type of build gets punished, hence why anyone who wants to win can win.
>>719574616Git gud
>>719575068Elden Ring is only hard if you let it be, which makes the git gud retards seethe
>>719575068Accessible isn't the word you want to use. Try not to play into the scumfuck journo word games, they want to conflate challenge with genuine accessibility to co-opt a moral concern so they can use that as justification to keep dumbing down games further, give themselves and shitty devs an easier ride and turning them into their own vectors for anything that isn't actually about videogames. They are this despicable.
Mocking new players is retarded because you were like them at one point. However, if someone has put significant time into a game and still continues to struggle, taking a jab at them is not that big of a crime.Unless you're a complete dick about it, I guess.
>>719575441No, I'm pretty sure it's equally hard for every player, because there is no difficulty selection in the game. Which is genuinely pretty good, because difficulty selection tends to be completely arbitrary and you can never know which difficulty would be most dev-intended.The faggot fandom declaring the use of gameplay mechanic as a "difficulty selection" in a game for which devs have specifically stated they want none of that shit, is one of the most egregious cases of autism brainrot in history of the internet. Kill yourself.
>>719575760Fucking cry more, faggot.
>>719575631The thing you don't understand is that a lot of people refuse to want to learn anything and take any advice, aggressive or not, as an attack on them. I know because I've tried helping people a lot while being nice and not condescending at all and only been met with them being a fucking dickhead back. There's a reason why stuff like "git gud" and being aggressive is how people respond to someone whining.
>>719575631If I see you crying and I slap you on the back I'm not trying to be mean, why would you even think that?
>>719574120>>719574292Women play an important role in families. Kids with mothers and fathers always do better than kids with just one or the other.
>>719575068>faith and int can oneshot bosses>bleed can end a fight in 15 seconds>rot is almost like DS2 poison>strength turns you into a poise-breaking machineIt's pretty safe to say that every build works in Elden Ring.
>>719575631git gud is short for pay attention, keep playing, and figure it out
I should replay DS1. It's so much fun
>>719576040women also have very important roles in fromsoftware games, miyazaki never fails in creating empowered female charactersI wouldn't be surprised if his favorite quote is "men shape the world, yet women shape men"
>>719571450>A lot of people bash their head against a wall trying the same thing over and over and over not him, but i did this in bloodborne while using the stakedriver and had a great time
Ehh we been shitting on n00bs since online gaming became a thing, fuck are they talking about
>>719576124"Git gud" has a combative and dismissive tone. If you mean what you said, why not say that?
>>719576040I don't see how would that matter next to artificially born children being bioengineered superhumans with genomes cleaned up of any hereditary defects, as opposed to natural children of strong independent 21st century harlots whose organisms are thoroughly saturated by alcohol, drugs, tattoo ink, industrial pollutants and fuck knows what else.
>>719569870git gud
>>719576359does it need saying? because if you need soft language then you probably won't enjoy the game anywaymy favorite game is Furi and people say that's gay because your character is black, but who cares? I'm very racist but that game is still good.
>>719571279is this physique attainable?
>>719569870Games before memory cards literally were "git gud or start it all over again" and wasn't a problem.
>>719576359The tone is only in your head, nobody is saying it to you, you're reading it out loud in your mind and it sounds negative, because you're negative.
>>719572272dark souls is zoomercore tho
>>719569870svn is better
>>719571450>and only want to do something one specific way.If your game doesn't allow that it's shit
>>719569870people only say git gud when they are emotionally invested in the game (spent way too much time playing it) and someone points out a flaw
>>719569870Git gud is fine so long as you're gatekeeping people who aren't even trying to fit in and expect you to accommodate them. The problem is it's difficult to distinguish an honest person from a liar or shit stirrer online so it's much easier to just dismiss all points as that of shitters who know nothing.
>>719569870Artificial difficulty and le elite gamers have ruined numerous franchises with their faggotry.
>>719576816If by flaw you mean something they got filtered by because they weren't sufficiently experienced with the game, then yes.
https://youtu.be/TXYHoGUyrs4?si=r_eE8o5hZ3xgIgu2
>>719576816or just for funI stopped playing Elden Ring because I wasn't having fungit gud
>>719569870Fromdrones aren't toxic, they're just retarded and think "git gud" is some bulletproof defense of shit design even if the person is saying literally nothing about difficulty and beat the game without issue. This applies to other retarded fanbases like nuDoom and Ninja Gaiden as well.
>>719575760Not him, this sort of conversation has always been retarded in many angles because it's all people incapable of understanding, trying to deny the existence of, or redefine the concept of the skill ceiling in spite of it being fundamental to everything in life, let alone games. The whole "You didn't beat the game" stuff is blatantly stupid, but it's grasping at this very obviously real idea that beating a game is just one part of it that can be done at many skill levels and doesn't mean you know everything, at least before it was of course co-opted by shitposters and morons. Replayability and depth was an important part of games for a reason. What people seem to want to reject is that there is a clear difference between: someone who doesn't use powerful tools in a game because they're just ignorant wilfully or otherwise and is just mashing through with the bare minimum, someone who looked up or stumbled on one strat that works well enough and throws that at everything before shitting on anyone better or worse than them because they care about their supposed achievement, and someone who explores the game's options fully and actually wants to learn and enjoy the breadth of the experience while improving in all aspects.The first example might aim to become the third, yet the second despises both and will perpetuate the crab in a bucket mentality with zero self-awareness, often also bitching out at the game the moment their single learned method doesn't actually work.
>>719572676>They were, but they were also "hard" for the time.PS2 action games were infinitely harder.
>>719569870I'm definitely not saying it to be nice.
>>719577292Just because you are not being nice, it doesn't mean that it's not a valid suggestion
Give people anonymity and they show their true self. Gaming should be attached to your ID
I only say git gud to annoying people and whinersIf someone is being genuine then I give real advice.Though I wouldn't give anyone that works as a gaming journalist real advice LOL
>>719577474Not just gaming but everything we do online. The irresponsibility and unaccountability in digital spaces must end.
>>719577404I don't think anyone is claiming it isn't a valid message, just that the vessel for the message is such that it is easy to misconstrue and isn't all that valuable.If you mean to be supportive, articulate it. Git gud on its own offers nothing to the one it is being said to, other than stating the obvious (which is that they lack the necessary skill to tackle the challenge before them)
>>719577474>Give people anonymity and they show their true self.Shouldn't that be an argument FOR anonymity?
>>719573090don't let your dreams be dreams anon
>>719577016filtered
Also, got filtered hard in new ninja gaiden 2. That fight on the statue of liberty is the hardest fight i ever foughted. But don't have it anymore and it's gone unresolved
>>719577810Many people’s true selves is bad and opposed to a happy society that’s why we have the threat of violence and imprisonment and social pressure to keep them in check.
>>719577474give people names and reputations and they'll just say and do whatever helps thempeople being honest and retarded is way better
>>719570743https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEZsGUqgtHQ
>>719577474>>719578061
>>719576740What game actually allows you to do only one thing in one specific way.Not even cookie clicker will have you succeed in such a manner.
>>719571039>Gamers are subconsciously aware that gaming is a waste of timeWhat are you doing here.. tourism?
>>719576590Yes, if you are hollow.
>>719578672If we're talking about souls games you can definitely beat them only doing one thing in one specific way, its just that the people complaining don't have the skill to do that, nor the creativity to think of a different strategy.
>>719577904I beat DeS and DaS before you ever even heard of them, PTDsecondary.
Calling things toxic is toxic
>>719578840I played that shit drunk when I was a kid you're nothing to me son
>>719579603>when I was a kid>sonIf you were a kid in 2009 or later, then you're in no position to call anyone son.
>>719569870It went from "you can roll through telegraphed attacks in a game that spaces out attacks reasonably" to a defense of bad game design
>>719573608Ah yes mountains notorious for constantly changing and without summons like sherpas
>>719580367Shitter
Most people who play these games don't know the difference between difficult and engaging. Most zoomers who play Elden Ring who go back to play Dark Souls will regurgitate how slow and easy the bosses are and "non-flashy" it all is when Souls games are not really about the bosses themselves but situations you find yourself within the given area. Bosses are just the cherry on top of the areas.
>>719569870>April 18, 2025It's been a decade and a half since Dark Souls 1 came out, and these faggots are STILL hung up on it.
Defend this.
>>719580830>If I can't see the boss then the boss can't see meIs that an ostrich playing?
>>719581034No boss in Dark Souls ever one shots you as an opener.
>>719581161Seems like this one does, check mate.
>>719580830>if i run he will leave me alone
iunno, but it used to be you'd play to get further to see the new environments, new songs, new enemy designs.... It all created it's own unique atmosphere that other games didn't have. And you play different games to see what they got goin on. Just soak it all in
>>719580735>Guyz trust me I'm the real old fanEat shit
>>719581161No dark souls enemy can be parried at a distance (except for that one ice DLC crow schizo)
>>719569870There was a time when gitgud was toxic because it was the automatic canned response to everything, which is not very interesting or helpful. However, more and more I think it is the answer as many issues players have are their own inadequacies and if they just spent a little time learning the game they struggle with their problems would disappear.
>>719581225What part of opener do you not undertand? Not even Ornstein's instant spear charge from across the room does that.
>>719581267And die
>>719581401It's an ego thing. The equivalent of "draw circle then draw the horse" type of canned advice.
>>719581407>boss does easily avoidable attack>decide not to even look at the boss>WOOOOW HOW CAN THIS BE HAPPENING TO ME??????
>>719581613>defending one shot moves
>>719577104>games made a decade earlier were harderI guess.
>Soulstrannies be like>git gud xDD!>proceed to play a real action game>get filtered>or if by some miracle they beat it on Normal difficulty they feel informed enough to start talking about the game like they're expertsMany such cases.
>>719580735These games aren't for you. If you want a piss easy level + boss then play something else. You got filtered.
>>719581827You couldn't parse what I just wrote?
I remember what gaming was like before Dark Souls took the industry by storm, developers seemed to be competing with each other over making the most handholdy hyper-casual broad appeal shit ever. "EASY MODE TO HARD? TRY VERY EASY MODE INSTEAD!" That kind of shit.Then Dark Souls came out and flipped the script, here is a game that doesn't hold your hand, it actually demands a couple of braincells from the player. It was unheard of and people loved it. It was the punk rock of video games for a while.Today the git gud meme is but a lost memory of that time, but it haven't lost its meaning.
>>719569870
>>719569870Git gud is not used to mock inexperienced players, it is used as an argument-ending cliché by from cultist and literal paid shills against anyone who points out the glaring and obvious flaws of the series, especially the jank, artificial difficulty and plain old bullshit that earned its reputation as a "difficult" game. Pic not related.
>>719581908and now developers are competing with each other over making a rollfest mess with a few shortcuts that consists in unlocking a rusty iron gate
>>719581953Nobody in this thread nor OP's article calls for an easy mode. It's about retards that abused the "git gud" line ad nauseam that it became annoying.
>>719580830>play like a coward>die like a bitchSeems right to me. Also, Bloodborne is piss easy, and you suck ass actually.https://files.catbox.moe/mqd2rt.mp4
>>719582258>the boss is easy actually >erm, you were not looking and running awayThat's not what's being addressed, you have very low critical thinking skills.
>>719582179Quite remarkable isn't it? They totally flipped the industry on its head. I'll take a dozen soulsclones over some dogshit third person shooter or devil may cry sandbag juggling contest.
people tell you "git gud" when you bitch about something that everyone else has already gotten over if you just ask for advice on "hey, I'm struggling with this boss, any tips on to beat it?" 99% of the time people will give you tips and give you advice on your build
>>719569870"Git gud" is definitely an insult, but it's not one that's bad unless the one hearing it is a completely fucking insufferable twat.There's literally no other reason to be told that sentence except for whining and bitching about difficulty like a pussy. That's it.And people SHOULD NOT be doing that. Full stop.These retard journos just want to normalize being an incompetent punk bitch. It's totally fine, acceptable, GUD, even, for people to expect you to get competent at a video game you intend to speak about.If you don't want to get gud, then shut the fuck up about it or just admit that you don't like it because you fucking suck.
>>719582395That's more like 50% of the time. Go into any thread back then that talks about anons struggling to fight Gwyn that can't get the parry timings down.
As far as I've been able to tell, getting gud at things is considered cringe among younger generations so if you aren't good from the start, trying to get there is not a good thing.
>>719582363You wouldn't be complaining about the attack if you didn't get hit by it, the only thing wrong about this webm is the way the guy is playing it. #skillissue #gitgud
>>719571178It is dismissive, but only insofar as the complaint these people make should be dismissed.>It's too hard ;_;Okay, for you. Why are fags like that so goddamn entitled the entire goddamn WORLD needs to be dumbed down to accommodate your fucking laziness and ineptitude?Why the fuck does the entire goddamn planet always have to cater to your faggot whims?Shut the fuck up, *git gud*.It's not anyone else's fucking problem.
>>719582547Zoomer's version of "git gud" is literally "skill issue". It outs zoomerfags and anons trying to larp as such.
>>719572105>No, it's a perfectly valid retort to whining retards too lazy to master game mechanicsWhat mechanics? Souls is Ocarina of Time with an i-frame dodge.
>>719570936>Why do they have to quit after an hour and call it shit?This right here is what makes me "toxic" no you dying repeatedly is not a fault of the game shut the fuck up.
>>719582720Skill issue and git gud goes hand in hand like a hand in a glove, like a penis in a condom. Don't limit your expression just because you feel old.
>>719569870Devs get away with several bad game design choices because they know players will just defend it with that little phrase
>>719571678What the fuck do you honestly want?The problem is you're not skilled enough, and you're incompetent.There *isn't* any advice for you other than that you should play better and become more competent.>Have you tried hitting them with your weapon?>Have you tried dodging?What the fuck do you want? What the fuck do you expect?
>>719571830he's right but the score is wrong
>>719582887All bosses are too easy then.
>>719577079>"You didn't beat the game" stuff is blatantly stupidgit gud
>>719569870Everyone knows "git gud" is just used to dismiss whiny retards that don't actually want to improve. Most people are happy to help people that are genuinely asking for actual advice. You get told to git gud when you're just blatantly complaining.
>>719569870the git gud shit is pure insecuritypeople that have such a shit life that their best achievement is beating a nippon action rpg gameand it's funny especially considering those games are piss fucking easy, lol
>>719581768>a decadeAre you dumb or just forgetful? DMC3 was all of 4 years before Demons' Souls and was infinitely harder. DMD mode on DMC3 makes anything From's ever made look like a joke. And I'm not pretending DMD on DMC3 is good or well balanced, but it's much, much harder.
>>719583031In Soultrash games there is NOTHING to be competent at. Dodge and R1. Heal and move as necessary. That's it. That's the entire fucking game, That's the skill ceiling. Everything else is just for style. But you have to re-learn the same fucking thing for every major enemy because they alternate between attacks that hit you in one frame and you have to dodge as soon as you see the telegraph, and attacks that have delays to rollcatch you if you do the same. You can't know which is which in advance. The entire difficulty of enemies comes from jank animations and ridiculous anime shit that can't be read and avoided on intuition because they defy all sorts of common sense and physics. There is no sense in their movements, momentum and inertia don't exist for them, it's like someone is throwing a ragdoll at you with the GMod Physgun with random pauses and sudden jerks. There is no machanical complexity. No problem solving. No complex rock-paper-scissor relationships that you have to learn and apply. Just trial and error through janky trash over and over again until their moveset burns into your memory and you know every attack from the first frame, allowing you to masterfully R1 and dodge. Then repeat with the next enemy, where you have to learn the moveset again, because it's a different kind of physics-defying, anime-like, rollcatch-delayed bunch of bullshit.And for defending this and pretending that dodge and R1 after trial and error is the epitome of skill, soulstrannies are on par with the Sonic fandom in terms of autism.
>>719583782>mimic tearWATCH OUT I'M GONNA SAY IT
>>719583846>In Soultrash games there is NOTHING to be competent at. Dodge and R1. Heal and move as necessary. That's it.Okay, so why can't you do it?Shut the fuck up, lol.
>>719583882>NOOOOOOOOOOO STOP USING ALL THE TOOLS THE GAME PROVIDED STOP STOP STOOOOOOOOOP
>>719578749Most people just come here to shit up the board with culture wars, haven't you figured it out by now? They don't actually play the games they are talking about.
>>719577474>Gaming should be attached to your IDand to top it off M rated games should be restricted to 30+ years of age too
They clamped down on it because publishers desperately wanted to become an organized racket like the NBL, NFL, the other cooler NBL.except everyone knows e-athletes are just a fucking joke. they're all either running hacks (not even trying to hide it hard) or they're turbo-autistic asians who are hopped up on some kind of pills.
>>719580367nobody called ninja gaiden and ghouls n goblins bad, they called them Nintendo hard
>>719583932>deflect criticism with baseless ad-hominem that can't be proven or falsifiedYou will never be a real gamer. If you were, you'd have more to your name than beating soultrash, and you wouldn't be rabidly defending it with dishonest "debating" tactics like this.About to beat Lorian in NG+7, by the way. IDGAF if you don't believe me.
>>719582027that's filtered, you retard
>>719582476git gud is only an insult to very insecure people who know they aren't trying to improve, it's a literal paraphrasing of "keep practicing" and the only one who gets insulted by keep practicing, are people with inflated sense of self worth who see it benieth them
>>719583782if you have such a good life then you wouldn't be bothered by people telling to you improve until you stop failing
>>719584487I think that it's weird to tell people they need to improve themselves when they bring up obvious design problems in Souls games.
>>719584248It's not a debate. Let me explain what's happening: You're pissing and shitting yourself; I'm calling you a faggot.There is no debate, retard. You just suck.
>>719584552such as? I fail to see how a game that telegraphs enemy attacks and places powerups all over the open world has some egregious flaw, and to top it off when other players than yourself can beat something much much easier than your repeated failing attempts to beat it
>>719584360Couldn't have said it better, or more concisely.
>>719571039>to make it seem like a "skill"It's literally a skill, even if you consider it a pointless one. >>719571178This is also true though, sometimes git gud is the only answer (in other words practice it more). Giving actual detailed advice would be nicer though yeah.
>>719569870How can I breed with vitriol?I must know.
>>719583959Sorry, but if you did not complete the game lvl 1 bare fist walking only backwards no dodge no sprint no jump while being blindfolded and using a set of bananas for a controller, you did not beat the game. We do not make the rules.>>719584753Anon, maybe you are not aware of this, but this website is strictly for 18+ years olds.
>>719583846That's only true for Elden Ring. Bosses in Dark Souls initially start you off rewarding you with scoping out the area with plunging attacks against the boss if you so wish to use it.
GIT GUD
>>719569870It's trash behavior to shit on new players who are actually trying to learn and improve. The ones who deserve it are those who suck ass and instead of trying to improve they shit the place up and blame everything other than themselves and their own skill.
>>719585486git gud faggot
>>719585257Nobody's impressed with you. Let's review your contributions to this thread so far.>I suck ass at this game, and I insist you tell me that's a good thing!>???There's nothing else. What the hell are you honestly even doing here? I guess you want validation that you can be le epic legitimate gamer even though you're obviously an incompetent.Like a fucking woman.Piss off, why don't you? You don't stand to gain anything other than be made fun of because you're acting like a jackass.
>>719585617I've been gud longer than you've been alive
>>719585742Obviously not or you wouldn't be bitching about it.Here's the thing about "git gud": It's literally just a pithy way of saying that your problems can be solved by practicing and getting better. That's fucking ALL.Nobody with half a brain is actually going to be insulted by that kind of statement unless they're some kind of fragile narcissist.Stop being such a whiny loser, good god. I sucked too, then I get better. When people told me to git gud, I took it for what it was: Mild, good-natured ribbing.There's no reason to get all pissed about it other than being a little twerp faggot.
I will never understand the massive popularity of soulslike games. I love hard games but I want more flexibility than rolling and bonking over and over. Despite the memes about the story I loved nuGOWs combat and variety in skills/weapons. The Valkyries were peak.Hopefully Silksong can scratch that itch soon because it's dry out here.
>>719569870Depends. If all a player is going to do is whine about how hard a game is and rant and ask for an easy mode "git gud" and "skill issue" are acceptable answers, if however a player is genuinely asking for help after genuinely trying, researching and exhausting it´s options then the correct response would be to offer assistance or, at the very least, not to mock them. >TL; DR it´s circumstantial, some players deserve it, some do not
>>719586223What if someone is just burned out after like 1000 hours and vents?
>>719586108I really liked Hollow Knight, but I'm not playing Silksong out of principle.It's so fucking ridiculous how much time they've wasted. I think it's totally fair to refuse to buy the product just based on that alone. Nobody forced them to fail to deliver for, what, 8 years now? Years ago I was pissed about it, now I've just long since decided they're cocksuckers and they're not getting any more of my fucking money.The new VtM: Bloodlines game is coming out on a faster timeframe then those retards were able to manage. I'm not going to reward that dipshittery with money or attention.
>>719569870You definitely have asshole elistist fuckwits that ruin shit. You don't have to be mr helpful hugbox redditcore shit, but just shut the fuck up if you have nothing to add to the conversation. if the new person is being a sperg, then bully them.
>>719586464You sound like a gay retard in all honesty my brethren.
>>719586589I just genuinely fucking hate giving my money and time to people I feel have wasted my time.They didn't have to announce the title so early and then blueball for almost a decade, but that's what they did.You can call it whatever you want. I don't like how they've conducted their business, so I'm not paying them. I'm not fucking obligated to buy someone's products, and ultimately, that's what a video game is.
>>719582720>Zoomer's version of "git gud" is literally "skill issue"Zoomers use skilldiff, or anything -diff really.
>>719572272Souls 1 was such a timing thing, back then, on my first try I FUCKING hated it, until, in the depths, the game clicked and became a blast until izalith, still beat it tho
>>719586847I think it was my favorite year in gaming, first I played Skyrim and loved the shit out of it then some time later PTDE dropped and I loved the shit out of that too, dose really were de days
>>719586736How did they make you lose your time? Did you just sit facing the wall and doing nothing for years, waiting for a single game to release?
>>719586464Then pirate it lol. This is the weirdest reason ever. They don't owe you a game within a certain amount of time. It's not like they promised a release date. Much better than saying that it will come out withing X years and delaying it.I'll probably pirate it too because I don't want to fund a troon.
>>719587164It was weird, I was like 23, been through the SNES, N64 Playstation 1/2 gamecube, Wii and PC gaming. Never has a game clicked like Dark Souls, it was like those Japs peered into my mind and said "yeah let's make a game that is 100% compatible with the interests of this guy" Literally coded the game with my genetics, when I played it I was blown away. I couldn't believe such a game could exist, this was made FOR ME.And that's the story of how I became the greatest soulfag who ever lived.
>>719587240>>719587179Call me a faggot, but I just don't believe in stealing.I don't feel entitled to entertainment, and I can live without it. There are other games to play. It's just genuinely not important to me, which is why I can stand on principle.Playing it, not playing it, doesn't make much of a difference. I'm annoyed with the 8 year wait, they should have just kept their mouths shut, I don't owe them my money.Simple as. I don't need complex motives, or to justify myself. The concept of marketing is actually the exact opposite: They're supposed to convince me to buy their shit and make me believe in their product, and they failed. So, they can fuck off.
>>719569870I don't even see people say this anywhere but I don't use social media
>>719575760>Kill yourselfimagine getting this fucking mad on an anonymous image board, fuckin lel
>>719586108In DS1 you could invade randoms and take out your anger on them, that's why.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXp8Th41rBsElden Ring isn't the same.
yes it's toxic and dumbnu-from fans turned on original fans, people like matthewmatosis and enb because they didn't like the new gamesalso fromsoft can just make their next game harder and have reviewers and streamers say shit like "it's the hardest fromsoft game yet" and their npc fans will eat it up, sekiro comes to mind.sad state of affairs, really..
>>719586108Imagine for a moment in something like Silksong where you're already struggling to get through a run but then someone else can go inside your game and ruin your run even further. Hence the meme of someone cutting their router when an invasion occurs because that shit gets annoying super fast.
>>719586370Someone answer me this. If I went because I played through a souls game numerous times and I'm burned out and see nothing but its flaws, and I get told to "Git gud", who's at fault?
>>719574402There is a price for admission
>>719574402For the fucking what now?
>>719588951You can play in offline mode and never get invaded.
>>719588953The man who played a game so many times that what he once loved turned into what he truly hated, that is the man who is at fault. You have a world of video games and genres you never knew about, but instead wanted to repeat and dive into one game over and over again until it turned into a thorn in your side. I would posit that it's not devotion to one game, but instead, a fruitless search for the first high you get when you play a game. A denial that what was once shall never truly be again.This is to not say you should one playthrough and done a game, but it is to say that you should perhaps play something else when a game stops being a game and becomes a dreadful chore. And you read this post in my voice, Luke.
>>719589976And miss out on some content? Hell no.
>>719569870No. I don't care about getting good unless I do.People can say "git gud" all day long. It's simply not my problem until it is.People are just making up problems because they are sad sacks of shit.
>>719589980That was uncharacteristically insightful for this board, thank you.
>>719590069You miss out on stuff that would mostly be useful in PVP, you don't need any of the covenant rewards to beat the game.
>>719574049post hand jeet
>>719590417You don't need ALOT of things to beat the game hence I used a general word: content. You miss out on content not utilizing the online component of the game. Some enemies don't even spawn.
>>719588953It's not of the game's fault that you've exhausted all of its novel features that brings you enjoyment.
Reading this thread, it seems the answer is yes. It's a lot of loud posts that are basic internet tough guy nonsense.
>>719589980>And you read this post in my voice, Luke.I never saw that movie
>>719570936They want to be part of the club without doing anything.
>>719589980that I did
>>719580830>>719581161>chalice dungeon bossretard, that place is completely optional and on top of that is one of the few places where you can actually pick the difficulty, that player willing entered a hard dungeon and played badly
>>719581820Reminds me of the Souls pro that got filtered by the weird flesh dragon in Monster Hunter Rise
Lots of people are not just willing to get better at the fundamentals. This is pretty common in shooter games too.
>>719570936Mediocrity should be criminalized.
>>719569870The problem they have with the soul-type 'genre' is how exposed they are when they do an analysis or review.
>>719585959>It's literally just a pithy way of saying that your problems can be solved by practicing and getting better. That's fucking ALL.In other words you put yourself over them in a way it's for your own satisfaction. You can't just say to practice like an adult because you're a nigger trying to fit in with other mindlessly repeating gamer shits. You'll never take an L and you'd go on and on all night if I kept responding.
>>719584808>to top it off when other players than yourself can beat something much much easier than your repeated failing attempts to beat itElden Ring with the mimic tear is easier than an average AAA movieslop game.
>>719596008Git gud.
Imagine still not having gotten gud in 2025, what on earth is wrong with you?
