Predict the first wave of DLC races. 1. Eldar (obviously)2. Guard (assets already made, would just need buildings and some more tanks)3. Tau4. Nids? Votann?
Dark Eldar should come before Craftworlds because they never get to be in anything other than something to kill.
>>719572745This because Eldar escaped in DoW 2
>>719572745>they never get to be in anything other than something to killThey're playable in Soulstorm. Yeah-yeah, i know>soulstorm
KAYOOOOOOSconsume us
I'm gonna level with you dudes, I don't think anything in DoW4 is going to hit the same way that DoW did. I think the magic of the franchise is gone and no one involved takes the medium seriously, no matter how edgy or cringe it gets.
>>719573407NuMarines really taint the view a lot. Primaris just clash with everything.
>>719573027 Soulstorm being the only highlight of Dark Eldar is tragic, but at least they were semi-competent there instead of just edgelord punching bags. I'd still take razorflails and slave raids over another rehash of Craftworld autism and 'muh dying race' monologues. Let the space sadists have their time, they’ve earned it by being forgotten for a decade.
IGSoBChaos (black)Chaos (blue)
I really cant wait for eldar to be added the only faction im somewhat interested in is the necrons
>>719575153>monogod factions instead of just a Chaos soup faction with flavored unitsYou're a crazy person.
>eldarewwwwwwwwwwww
>tfw DoW1 was so long ago Tau didn't even have Riptides yetThe Tau with their new stuff will be so cool. Well, "new."
>>719575770Relic should treat DoW: DE just like how AoE2: DE and Stronghold/Stronghold Crusader DE did with their games.Add remaining units and factions up until the Primaris codex (7e/8e). DoW up until DoW2 was only like 3e to 5e and Primaris garbage happened around 8e.
>>719576059Relic isn't developing 4, it's new guys.
>>719575770>in-lore Tau are descended from bovines, an kind of animal that is most known for it's females milk-producing capabilities>>719576252Ironically Relic is currently busy trying to make AoE4 an replacement for AoE2. And mostly failing at that.
>>719572338Eldar, Guard and Chaos are guaranteed to be the first 3 Tyranids, Tau and Sisters of Battle are likely to followAnything else is unlikely unless the game ends up being extremely succesful >VotannNot gonna happen, although maybe that would actually make them at least a little bit cool or popular
>>719574971They got plenty of quality spotlight in Rogue Trader, even though mostly as antagonists. DEldar companion was cool in his hilarious edgyness though
>>719576059>Relic should treat DoW: DERelic is doing DoWDE to survive as they are out of money and projects. Notice how it doesn't have any publisher (all the funds are coming out of pocket by the dev studio).It would have to sell ridiculous numbers to allow them to go all-in like that.>>719572338My prediction:>Devs are already funded and planning to do 1st faction DLC like the Americans in Iron Harvest>Because of Wh40k disposable incomes, the initial sales of the game will be enough to add a 2nd faction DLC into the schedule.>It's King Art Games so the initial hype will be met with the cold realisation the game is very mid at best and modern WH40k lore is past its peak.>Faction DLCs sell much less and they move on from the project afterwards, unless they hit up another publisher willing to fund some uber-pandery faction DLC like the Tau.>Alternatively they finish off the project with an extremely cheap faction to make with Chaos (as a Space Marine reskin).As far as DLC1 and 2 go...Aeldari are cheap to make because they can reuse all the DoW3 assets.Astra Militarum can reuse those campaign assets and they're the only other popular Imperium faction.
>>719573864yeah they feel generic, like some clean mass produced bullshit marines instead of grizzled angry elite warriors with unique heritages and cultures that live and breathe war
>>719576416Luv me Tau cows, love me Supremacy armor.
>>719573407I'm usually not of the old good new bad kind of thinking of things, but modern rts really often lack the special something that made older games so much fun.Relic back then was allowed to get away with a lot of stuff, making their own shit up and changing things based on how units and factions work in the tabletop.Not necessarily always for the best, but that's subjective more than anything (I don't like how Banshees are portrayed as cheap fodder infantry and how they were so averse to adding Striking Scorpions). That magic spark is certainly gone. Doubt GW won't breathe down their necks while developing this.
>>719576928>bemeans NuGW lore>uses "Aeldari" and "Astra Militarum"We call them Eldar and Imperial Guard around these parts.
>>7195723381. Guard2. Genestealer Cults (50 percent of their units copypasted from guard)3.Chaos (guard with spikes mixed with marines with spikes plus one demon unit)4. Votann
Dark Crusade and Soulstorm looks bugged, at strength 6+ your enemy has 2 or more bases and will endlessly flood you with units. In contrast even a strength 11-13+ main stronghold is easy since shit is scripted and they don't even attack you that much.Mission 4 of Winter Assault is the same, regardless of Order/Disorder campaigns.
>>719576596>Anything elseBesides Votann, what that entail, Dark Eldar and...?
>>719577420There is no better way to bemean nuGW than pushing the obvious retardation in peoples' faces.Remember that every single Warhammer game is paying a percent off of each sale to Geedubs.The least people can do is actually vote with their wallets for stuff that avoids the bullshit.
>40k thread>posts Tau>"off-topic"Fuck off janny.
>>719577446There is literally nothing more "never ever" than Genestealer cults.
>>719578915they're cool
>>719572989they literally always escape, its a feature of their race, huge foresight and even huger self-preservation instincts. The only ones better at it are necrons because they are born cheaters.
>>719576252maybe a new team, but they got guys from the OG team directing it. So im moderately confident it'll be good once all the DLC is released. An RTS, set in the 40k universe, with only 4 races available, will be rough to play at first.
>>719572338If the writer are smart they'll use Abbadon like they teased at the end of DOW2 and Elipha. Outside of that probably eldar and tau.
>>719579512>AbbadonNot this cuckold again.
>>719579583Just another excuse to send Eliphas back to the Eye of Terror with his tail between his legs. It's also stupid bs they brought back Jonah again because HE FUCKING DIES in the final mission for retribution. Could have made his a librarian dreadnought but nooo.... we must have our token black man... stupid fucks...
>>719578915Actually, what is a list of actual 'armies' that a video game can use as such, W40K has a lot of smaller but strong mini-armies too, as if the Space Marines were not enough...Dawn of War and Gladius: Relics of War has now used the following:-Space Marines-Imperial Guard-Sisters of Battle-Adeptus Mechanicus-Chaos Space Marines-Orks-Eldar-Dark Eldar-Necrons-Tau-TyranidsThere is the newer Leagues of Votann/Squats 2.0 that most likely will get pushed, but what else can be used on such scale? Battlefleet Gothic Armada had most of the above and Corsair Eldar, there is cases to be made about Harlequins Troupes, Genestealer Cults and the Lost and the Damned, and then there is the UBER HAXX of the Adeptus Custodes, Sisters of Silence and the Inquisition...
>>719579481>maybe a new team, but they got guys from the OG team directing it.Surely you're not thinking of some other project?DoWDE has several of the OG devs who've survived at Relic since those days.DoW4 is made by a German AA studio under Embracer.
>>719579830Just go through stuff that got a codex, there are those plus>grey knight>custodes>deathwatch>certain popular SM chapters like wolves, black templar, blood angels, etc>monogod legions>genestealer>imperial and chaos knights
>>719572338I want the Sisterhood to return.Kind of annoyed about the token female Custodes and the bitching about no female space marines when there's already a radical faction of zealous women that look down on Space Marines as 'mutants'They were also fun in Soulstorm, a good gap between the imperium and space marines.
>>719580890>GW ruins the consistency of it's own lore and shits on other factions for 10 seconds of leftoid brownie pointsWelcome to hell, enjoy the new GK codex.
>>719580017oh, i got confused with the team that released the DoW:DE. Yeah, i hope they have some input at least tho.youtu.be/6cAhM1zzY1A?si=TgAIXkapiWGImd7p
>>719576928The relic that made dow and dow 2 didn't survive, THQ shuttered it. The 'relic' that made dow3 and exists now is another entity wearing its face when sega bought the relic ip.
>>719576596ironically legos would be more expensive
>Heretics want to fuck thisWeird
>>719582163No, they don't.
>>719579830They certainly will add dark eldar and their new upcoming stuff for 11th edition as well.
>>719582163Yea how insane haha.
>>719578915The best you'll be getting is a wild "barbarian" unit in Warhammer:Gladius. They've got 2 units being the slightly mutated cultists and the retard strength dudes with the big hammers. They are both nothing more than a speed bump on your way to world domination.
I'm waiting for the inevitable total war 40k
>>719582725Haven't people been playtesting it?
>>719582971Rumors of it yes. I do believe it would be stupid to not make it.
>>719583508No I mean I'm pretty sure Valrak has just come out and said in no uncertain terms that TWW40k is happening and that he's played it.
>mfw black woman Mechanicus in the trailer GW has made their setting so fucking gay now. DEI everywhere and blacks and women on all their book covers.
>>719572338The only factions that will be added will be Chaos and Tyranids. Bank on it.
>>719585083This. Chaos because they're one of GWs favourite children besides Muhreens and Nids because they had their line refreshed only a couple years ago so GW is still shilling them.
>>719572338>game barely announced>barebones content>"predict the first wave of DLC"
>>719576951God, I hate fucking Marine fags.They were always shit. The fact they had shitty darth vader helmets didn't change that fact.
>>719580948>Female custodes is ruining the loreLol.Imao.
>>719585670/v/ rather talks about games that aren't released than having to deal with actually playing a video game.
>>719585572Chaos is honestly one of the best armies in 40K and Fantasy. Consistently good or at least fun rules, tons of flavor, kitbashing potential, and so much my guys potential. Normal Marines make the money, but Chaos are what gives 40K it's soul.
TAAAAAAAAAAAAKING HIIIITS!
>>719577909Dark Eldar, Votann, potentially Genestealer's Cults. If they really wanted to squeeze in more dlcs I guess they could try with Harlequins/Exodites, minor Chaos factions (like specific legions or Daemons) or mino Imperial factions (like specific chapters, Custodes or Deathwatch). I hope they wouldn't go that far though
>>719585919They WERE until ADB got his faggy hands on them and killed Undivided.
>>719586187Undivided has always been a weird place. >>719586148I say just combine Legions and Daemons. Tzeentch has potential, just Thousand sons does not.
Dark Eldar not being in the game would imply that they are going to be rival faction during the next edition.But then, this is GW.
>>719586546GW is just scared of best elves
>>719586665Exodites?
>>719572338>nids aren't base gamesaved me some money OP, thanks
>>719586741Good joke. Exodites are just Eldar IG at this point, to be rescued or sacrificed as the story demands.
>>719586831Eldar have always been useless. Dark Eldars basically don't matter other than occasionally murdering people. Go to fantasy if you want Elves that actually do shit.
>>719586831That's a lot of Eldar then!
>>719572338Firsr expansion will be IG/Chaos/EldarSecond will be Sisters of Battle/Tyranids/TauAfter that will be individual releases for Leagues of Votann and Dark Eldar
>>719586148Lost and Damned, since they are pretty much Chaos Imperial Guard. Oddly it seems the tabletop doesn't have much of these guys around.>>719586831When the Eldar were murderfucking the shit out of each other at their empire's peak, those that wanted no part on that debauchery followed different ways to distance themselves: the 'normal' Eldar you often see are Craftworld Eldar, living in the namesake gigantic spaceships, while Exodites are Eldar that fucked off to verdant planets that they previously seeded with life and discarded most of their higher technology to live in the good old ways. In a way Exodites are a canonical excuse to use Fantasy Warhammer Elves in 40k.
>>719587623They are kind of playable right now and you can make Chaos Space Marine lists without CSM, but the result generally leans more towards mutants and cultists.There are playable traitor guards though.
Did any traitor ever come back to the Imperium?
>>719587623Yeah, that would be cool, but I don't think tabletop ever had rules for Chaos armies of regular, non-Astartes humans as a separate faction, even though those obviously exist in lore. Only thing we ever got were cultist units for CSM or squads for Kill Team.Then again, fresh Chaos insurection would largely be a reskin of Genestealer Cults, while a more regular Chaos army would largely be a reskin of Imperial Guard gameplay and unit-wise, just with some daemons thrown in
>>719588105Imperium isn't exactly known for its forgiveness, the best thing they could count for is a quick death and a prayer that the Emperor forgives their souls or something
>>719588105A lot of traitors got a "Get out of jail free" card after the Horus Heresy. Nowadays? Lol.
>>719588105pretty sure the lion let a lot of the fallen come back
>>719588105Only Death can grant respite to the Traitor.One time a Chaos Sorcerer looked around at the ship he was piloting, thought "Wait, what the fuck am I doing?" and crashed the vessel into a star
>>719588578KEKSauce? I wanna read that
>>719572338>Eldar (obviously)Eldar are an unimportant NPC faction that hasn't done anything noteworthy in almost ten years, and that noteworthy thing was helping bring back Guilliman for the Imperium.
>>719586741Corsairs.
>>719589282>B-but muh epic narrative!Who gives a fuck, 40k exists as a stage for fanatical human armies fighting various factions of aliens and space satanists, and Eldar happen to be among the most classic of those aliens. They're a solid and distinct faction both when it comes to their aesthetics, their playstyle and their overal vibe and therefore are a good pick for an RTS, why would the fact that mediocre contract writers GW hires for their novels don't like giving them major roles matter here?
>>719579379>necron>better at self preservationIf anything I'd say that their return to sender feature being automatic makes them less prone to self preservation. They'll fight to the death simply because dying means respawning back at the garage.
>>719572338None because the game will sadly flop.
>>719572338>game gets anounced>we don't know if it's going to be good>we don't even know how it fucking plays>but guys what thing do you want to pay extra money for???I hope no content gets added at all now. Guard and Chaos players are gonna lose their fucking minds over not being catered to for once. And Eldar are gonna weep in the corner as is customary these days.
>>719587232The best part about this image is that it says "Defense force: 0". All those guardsmen are there purely as an offensive force to eradicate the ork presence.
>>719576059DoW: DE dev team was probably like 3 devs and a graphics designer. The thing is so barebones it only has selling points if you squint and look at it from a certain angle. They're not gonna be developing new fucking anything. They can't even ship a fucking no air craft game rule.Also Geedubs would probably throw a fit if you asked them to include legacy content in a new release instead of shilling Primaris.
>>719575513>he doesn't want a tall pretty elf wife that won't even look 30 when he's on his deathbedWhat are you, gay?
>>719590996>3 devs and a graphics designerI forgot to mention the graphics designer's sole job was to unblur the fonts at larger resolutions.
Do you think they have a chance of making it in?
>>719591179They honestly have a better chance than Eldar do.
>>719591179I feel like GW has given up on these guys already.
>>719591179I know people like having new factions, but I honestly think GW could do better than Dwarves in Space
>>719589474Fuck yeah, ninja pirate wizard elves, IN SPACE!
>>719591179>>719591269They got new models revealed last week, so non zero chance.
>>719591284Gotta give all the fantasy factions their spess equivalent before bringing in the new shit.
>>719591591Nah, 40k has plenty of shit unique to it and I doubt they'll ever do space skaven for example. They just did dwarfs because people has been memeing about return of squats for decades, but for some reason removed almost everything people actually liked about squats. Not sure if it would be any better if they didn't though
>>719575770>>719576416>>719577318>>719578881>>719582163>>719582575they don't look like that
>>719591179They're a non playable faction in Mechanicus 2, so we'll just have to see how that turns out.
>>719572338Chaos first and foremost.Then Eldar, because the lack of them in the base game is already a violation of DoW's tradition.Then Imperial Guard, and after that 'Nids
>>719592147Eldar aren't that important anon. Do you really want another DoW ruined by Eldar?
>>719591897I feel mine was pretty accurate
>>719585670This is the reality of 2025 game dev. Players tolerated it with CA and Paradox so it's become the standard.
>>719591179I like how the art makes them look like Dwarfs in space yet the models are a weird mix of DEI and black women quotas.
>>719592283>Eldar>not that importantThey are responsible for the existence of one of the chaos gods, by themselves. Plus you know, that whole war in heaven thing.
>>719592880Slaanesh existed before the Eldar. All four Chaos Gods paradoxically came into being when the Emperor fought Horus, ehich broke reality and allowed the Chaos Gods to birth themselves at the dawn of creation.The Eldar were only kept around so that they could eventually fall and allow the Imperium to rise. Slaanesh instigated the Fall and his own 'birth' to allow the Emperor to rise to power.The War In Heaven was between the Necrons and the Old Ones. Eldar were insignificant pawns that Chaos saw fit to support to allow the eventual Fall.
>>719593210My donger, Slaanesh was born in early m30. By that point the emperor was long past rising to power.
>>719593210If chaos were as powerful as you sentient warp fart fellaters always say they are they would have won long ago and wouldn't be scared shitless of a hairless monkey soul voltron.
>>719593735The Ynnari 'trilogy' states that Daemonettes existed during the War in Heaven, which given the nature of Daemons means Slaanesh was active at the time. Chaos transcends the typical rules of time and space.>>719593782They did win, specifically when Horus crippled the Emperor. Existence is a game to Chaos, they want to maintain the status quo as much as possible to continue feeding off the galaxy's suffering, especially the Imperium's. Not a single time since the Emperor fell has anyone so much as come close to threatening the Chaos Gods. They're prolonging the misery for fun.
>>719594032Ynnead says hi.
>>719594120Ynnead is stillborn and will never prperly come into being. The Ynnari utterly failed and have now disbanded.
>tfw you get picked for the cultural exchange program
>>719591179For sure, they would be brand new to the séries and a nice way to push toy sales.
>>719594032Ah yes, they won so hard that they're scrambling to destroy all the pylons before the necrons wake up because funzies and they totally aren't afraid of having their parasitism of the material realm completely cutoff, and then withering away to nothing like the overblown soul tapeworms they actually are.
>>719594556They aren't scrambling though? Vashtorr broke into the Pariah Nexus and immediately corrupted one of the pylons there for fun.
>>719572338chaos, eldar, IG.
Hasn't the setting changed dramatically since Dawn of War? Kinda wonder why they're continuing the series and not starting from scratch.
>>719594651Yes. Battlesector and Gladius give a much better idea of which factions matter now.Unfortunately for Eldar they're not in Battlesector, and they were one if the last factions added for Gladius.
>>719594197Tau are in fact absolutely prohibited to even interbreed between the castes and it's a major taboo for them, a relationship with one of the client races is not going to happen outside of most unusual circumstances. In fact humans living under Tau rule probably barely even interact with them outside of official matters. I know it's not going to stop the coomers, but still, those tau gf memes were always retarded
>>719594615Abaddon has spent the last few thousand years trying to find and break as many of them as he can. Shame that the necrons aren't the imperium, and can always just make more because they still remember how they made the originals.
>>719594831Anon... that's a reference to the time the Tau sent a bunch of delegates to the Dark Eldar for a year, only for them to be returns as a menagerie of Grotesques.
>>719594960Ah, fair enough, my bad. Still my point does apply to plenty of those r34 scenarios
>>71959465140,000 occurs over such a large time period that you can easily just fast forward a century or two and more or less tell whatever story you want. Same with Star Wars, or it would be if the writer's weren't constrained by Disney to always have everything connect back to the movies. Best decision Bioware made with their games was setting them 5,000 years before the movies so they didn't have to shoehorn in any Skywalkers or Solos.
>>719594831Human contact apparently is extensive enough that Tau outside the Water ad Ethereal Castes started to emote and express themselves like humans.
>>719572338>Chaos, IG>Votann, Tyranids>SoBs, Eldar>Tau, Dark Eldar
>>719575454i need some space cunny juice
>>719595483Until shown otherwise I will continue to believe that the giants the tau have as auxiliaries are cute girls like the Meltrandi from Macross.
>>719572338I hate eldar so much it's unreal
>>719595837Why?
>>719594032I'm well aware of wibbly wobbly timey warpey shit where the chaos gods despite having births always are, always were, and always will have been.I'm saying that the emperor had already risen to power before the eye ripped open and shit out Slaanesh and killed all the Eldar.
>>719595863Because le elf hate meme, he probably also pretends to love dwarves, like all redditor npcs do.
>>719596098Slaanesh's 'birth' allowed the Emperor to leave the Sol System as it quieted the Warp and made travel possible again. By that point he only had Terra and (sorta) Mars under control, as he couldn't leave Sol.
>>719596340>Slaanesh's 'birth' allowed the Emperor to leave the Sol System as it quieted the Warp and made travel possible again.It didn't. If anything it made shit even more chaotic by making Cygnus X-1 cover a fucking fuckload of realspace in the warp, only to sometimes blink back into real space. Yes, there was a dumbass time where the Eye of Terror would blink like an actual eyeball.
>>719596549then where did all the galactic warpstorms that previously blocked all human travel for 5000 years fucking go
>>719585083Chaos is a given but which legion will be the bad guy this time? They always do an Undivided legion to have unit variety and already did Alpha Legion, Word Bearers and Black Legion. I suppose WA had World Eaters but that made the writing extra retarded when they used Sorcerors and made Horrors.IW and NL seem kinda awkward since they're doctrine specialists and typically don't like using Daemons, so it's possible they'll either reuse one of the previously used legions or maybe use a warband like Red Corsairs.
>>719596682What kind of retard ass question is this?You think that "all the galactic warpstorms that previously blocked all human travel for 5000 years" went and shut themselves off because an EVEN BIGGER hole in the warp ripped open? That's like saying all the rips in your pants stitched shut because you tore an even bigger one on your ass. What's your logic there dumbass?
>>719596932Yes, that's literally the lore you poofter
>>719596925Word Bearers.Eliphas coming back for round 3
>>719596932oh, probably the fact that interstellar travel became possible again after it you FUCKING IDIOTgod you're dumb, here's the lore you don't know
>>719596925GW seems to be pushing Night Lords quite a lot recently, but then again they're already confirmed as major antagonists of the upcoming Dark Heresy adaptation.Iron Warriors would work well, they have a large fanbase and have been unutilised in DoW so far. And it's not like they cared that much about Legion specialities in past games, Alpha Legion in SS was anything but subtle and you brought up the World Eaters yourself. Reusing Word Bearers or using a minor warband would also be perfectly fine though. I find Black Legion kinda boring honestly.
>>719597012>"chaos totally won already guise">expecting to be believed about lore>>719597128>here's the lore, totally>[needs citation] plastered everywhereBro, this isn't it.
>>719597219and where did you get your lore from? oh by the way, the lore you were just told comes from Rogue fuckin Trader
>>719597372>and where did you get your lore from?From my sourcebooks that I've read.>oh by the way, the lore you were just told comes from Rogue fuckin TraderThen it wouldn't have read [needs citation] in that image.
>>719597439please tell me a source book you read>i don't have to- LMAO
>>719597464Brother, you literally accept a wiki entry that outright tells you their shit isn't cited. You don't have a leg to stand on with this issue.
>>719596932>>719597219>>719597439Eldar Codex, 4th edition, pages 4-7 The Fall of the Eldar.
>>719594651In the grand scheme of things, no>Abadabadoo blew up Cadia and Rowboat Girlyman was revived>huge warp rift separates the Imperium and shit gets fucked on the half further from the Astronomican>humans are becoming psykers at exponential rates>Necron Silent Kang returns from his exile and wants to reunite the Necrons>Imhotekh thinks he's a bitchass cowar and opposes him>more Tyranids pour into the galaxy and they won the Octarius war against the Orks, now threatening Segmentum Solar>Ghazkull is hinted to become the next Beast if he unites all the Orks>Ynnari unites the collective Eldar factions for a moment before it fizzled anticlimatically without successfully birthing Ynead or slapping Slaanesh's shit>psyker auxiliaries of the Tau accidentally create a goddess of the Greater Good, who chooses Shadowsun as her herald and is about to cause a massive split in Tau societyMost of that don't matter after Gorillaman pulled Primarines out of his ass to push back the shits getting fucked so it's back to another status quo
>>719572338>guardstop deadnaming them. its astra militarum now
>>719597728My dude, read your shit.It doesn't say that the Emperor couldn't leave earth. It just says that it's ALMOST impossible to leave "between the stars". Why the fuck would you hedge "almost" impossibilities against him?
>>719597530Codex: Eldar (2nd Edition) pg 5"If there was one good which came from the birth of Slaanesh it was that the warp was thereafter becalmed. Before the advent of Slaanesh the warp was riven with storm and tempest making it almost impossible for spacecraft to travel between the stars."You can go ahead and stop being a retard now. You're welcome.
>>719594651They tried with WHFB by doing that whole Age of Sigmar stuff.No one particularly liked Age of Sigmar.I guess the lesson GW took away from that is to just keep going forward instead of rebooting.
>>719598089Slaanesh's birth got rid of the warp storms, ending the age of strife and directly leading to the great crusade.
>>719598156>text on 4chan instead of an imageRogue Trader 4 (20th Edition) pg 69"The warp sucked dick, and everyone was unc. Slaanesh started digging in yo butt and that shit was even more whack".You can trust this as an actual source. It's posted on the internet, after all.
>>719598348>>719598089anon, you can just say you forgot a small bit of lore. none of this is important, and no one should feel bad, or superior, for remembering any of this dumb shit.
>>719598310Cool, now what does that have to do with the Emperor already going off to rise to power without that shit?The fall of the Eldar Empire/opening of the Eye of Terror was early m30. The Emperor made his play for power in the Unification wars which was in m29.You retards are the ones that made the claim that Slaanesh's birth let the emperor rise in power when he already was the ruler of mankind by the time that the eye opened. All Slaanesh's birth did was allow for the emperor to go out and try to reunite humanity. It didn't, as an example, promote him from master of mankind to master of mankind level 2.
>>719598348Here comes the airplane, little baby. Rrrrooowww
>>719598787Anon, The Unification Wars took place on Earth with the Thunder Warriors because civilization on Terra had largely collapsed. Humanity had millions of separated worlds across the stars when he did that.
>>719598943Anon, the civilizations of humanity out in space weren't waging intergalactic war against each other. The great crusade wasn't "Unification wars part 2 : electric boogaloo".Like I said, the Emperor was master of mankind by the end of the Unification wars, and the Great Crusade wasn't a rise to power because he already had the highest job humanity could bestow on him by the time they set out.
>>719598787oh, so you've just forgotten what the unification wars were, and can't make the inference that whoever said "rise to power" in this case was referring directly to the creation of the imperium and humanity's place in the galaxy of the setting.regardless, my snippet from the codex book was more a direct counter to >You think that "all the galactic warpstorms that previously blocked all human travel for 5000 years" went and shut themselves off because an EVEN BIGGER hole in the warp ripped open? That's like saying all the rips in your pants stitched shut because you tore an even bigger one on your ass. What's your logic there dumbass?because, yes, that is what happened.
>>719598802Dark Age of Technology humans were beyond the peak of the Eldar race and even interacted with them.Both the Necrons and Eldar only had the age to go by and humanity in 40k peaked early.
>>719599162>the Great Crusade wasn't a rise to power because he already had the highest job humanity could bestow on him by the time they set out.
>>719599162I kind of just want to know your argument here.So are you saying that the Emperor was out and about, doing great crusade stuff during the age of strife? Or that the Unification Wars also included stuff beyond Sol?
>>719573048Everyone else got a (You) itt so I'm giving my post that didn't get one 400 posts later because I deserve it and I love myself
>>719599439I'm saying that Emps becoming Emps wasn't some retarded Slaneshi keikaku in spite of what the chaos simp in >>719593210 says. His public appearance and participation in the unification wars as well as becoming the undisputed ruler of mankind was independent from the Eldar's fall.
>>719599585>400 posts laterthread's at 160 posts doe
>>719599585I love you too, Anon.
>>719599585The Dark Gods love you anonI do hope the voice lines in DoW4 will be at least half as good as in the original one, DoW1 and its expansions had some of the best and most memorable voice acting I've ever heard, really captured the over the top nature of 40k and the soul of each unit
>>719599310Golden Age Humanity never challenged the Eldar Empire directly.
>>719599597All of that is largely true, excepting that he couldn't launch the Great Crusade without the birth of slaanesh ending the warpstorms.It's also pretty much implied that he knew the Fall was going to happen, which was why he wages the Unification Wars at the speed he did. The Imperium simply could not happen without the Eldar Empire dying, and the Emperor knew that.
>>719593210I hate the new chaos lore so fucking much.
>>719599651Yeah I'm slightly drunk>>719599661>>719599729Thank you /v/ros, love ya too.I legit have high hopes for dow4.Long as it has a great ost (hopefully by Doyle of dow2), at least some memorable corny quotes and a decent campaign I'll get the game.The sync kills are already in from what I can tell
>>719599729DoW1 (&2) were what got me into 40K in the first place. I was always peripherally aware of it due to its presence in nerd spaces, but never interested. Too bad all the other 40k titles are mostly mediocre or shit. Supposedly Darktide is pretty good these days, but it's hard to tell with all the rage constantly surrounding it.
how should chaos factions be handled? go for chaos soup or go more specific with a faction for each deity legion? have the chaos space marines, and then daemon soup?
>>719599729If DoW 4 manages to have the soul of DoW 1 or 2 it'll be good, though I'm not thrilled at the Paradox tier DLC schedule I can already see them dreaming up but that's just what gaming is like these days. I'll probably only get 'Nids
>>719572338Anticipating:> 150gb of raw shit comes out, with picture and gameplay from dow3> mostly negative > no one plays it or buys it> shills for about a month (or a week or two, depending on the budget allocated) loudly accuse players that they are ungrateful pigs and because of them the genre is dead> everyone forgets about this shit and continues to play a game from 20 years ago.
>>719600352We'll have to see how greedy they get with faction DLC. If they start announcing stuff like individual Space Marines Factions we'll absolutely see multiple Chaos factions but personally I'd prefer we only get major factions.
>>719600352GW has made codex for all 4 monogod legions in the current edition and TWWH has separated monogod races (along with the original soup race, which got dlc adding monogod-flavored soup factions later on for some ungodly reasons). If the game does well we'll probably get monogod some time down the line
>>719600484>old good new badget better material
>>719600484Such a negative outlook on life miss TaldeerMaybe some human dick would cheer you up
>>719600212Darktide is genuinely a very fun shooter, but the issue is that you're mostly doing the same shit all the time, just in slightly different scenery and with different guns. But the soundtrack and environments are spectacular and the gunplay is very satisfying. Rogue Trader is genuinely amazing if you're into traditional isometric cRPGs and don't mind plenty of reading. Great writing, satisfying combat, good RPG elements, nails the atmosphere of both the setting in general and Rogue Traders in particular and has a shittonne of content. Skyrocketed to my favourite vidya list very quickly.Space Marine 1 and 2 are fun and competently made hack'n'slashes, though they get a bit repetitive quickly. But yeah, other than that 40k vidya are rather mediocre, which is doubly sad since there's a fucktonne of them. Battlefleet Gothic is also decent if you're into this sort of thing. And I heard good things about Mechanicus, but haven't tried it myself
>>719601643Mechanicus is pretty good, if you're not going in expecting triple A bells and whistles. It is still a 30 dollar game. If you're the sort of person that likes turn based tactics games, and enjoy just completely breaking them to your advantage, that's exactly what mechanicus is about. In the base game it's even a little too easy to get to that point, so that little heretek DLC helps with that a little bit, but it is an added cost and frankly I think should have been in the base game. It can start off a little too slowly, but if you like the faction its real solid.Get it on sale and grab the Heretek DLC with it.My biggest worry is that Mechanicus 2 will have the same level of work and polish, but be priced at $60. Even with it being three factions now, I don't think I could accept that price with the gameplay of the original. So I'd hope that they did something to pump that up a bit.I know everyone's raved about Boltgun, but I kind of assume that's for how cheap it is, and a DOOM game is typically a good time regardless.
>>719602103bfg armada
>>719572338Space Skavens?
>>719602284Yeah the Imperium of Man is a pretty big deal.
>>719585780>Female custodes is ruining the loreCorrect, hamfistedly retconning decades old lore for no other reason than to virtue signal to far left activists detracts from the lore. As does inserting modern day gender ideology into the far future where nearly the entirety of humanity has forgotten how technology and electricity work.
but the question is, will Macha get laid?
>>719572338>VotannWhen were they introduced? What was the reception like from the wh40k community?
>>719602571No, never.
>>719603057>introducedVery tail end of 9th edition, end of 2022>receptionVery negative for a whole laundry list of reasons>very half-baked army list>ridiculously comically OP as introduced to the point tournaments banned them before they even released>so bad that GW had to nerf them before the first boxes even got in customer hands>aesthetic that just doesn't fit 40k very well, they look like they belong in Starfield>close to 3 years later they still have no development as a faction because their only literature is their codex which describes them in broad strokes. No books, no games, no nothing.
>>719603057>When were they introduced?April 2022>What was the reception like from the wh40k community?Mixed, really. Some people were happy to get some kind of dwarfs back in 40k, but their new styling and lore seemed to be really hit or miss. I personally like a few of their models, and I like that you could very well make a whole army of "totally not men of iron" units if you want. I actually like their men of iron connection, along with the clone thing, but I can understand why some people would be put off.Gameplay wise they were really strong on paper, but their movement left them not really able to bring that strength to bare, so they were seen as pretty useless at the start. No idea if that's gotten any better.I also don't know if they even have a novel or anything out by now. They hadn't had one by last year.
>>719595863>>719596137Eldar are fucking gay. There's a reason they're so sidelined in the lore.
>>719603582>>719603612I see. I also heard they released the 10th edition recently, and it had something to do with the secret that involves the emperor. From what I gathered, most people were pissed off.
>>719602571The Evervirgin must remain pure.
I just want my favorite faction in and all the units possible in.
All Dawn of War 4 discussions gonna be tainted by Eldar fags who are convinced they were robbed.
>>719601643Warhammer 40k: Gladius: Relics of War (long ass name) is one of the better strategy games. Comes with most of the important factions to play as plus some that almost never see the spotlight like Dark Eldar and Mechanicus. All the factions play noticeably differently from each other both in terms of units fielded and how their economies function. Downside is that if you want a 4X where you can get a win that doesn't involve murdering all other players, you'll have to go elsewhere. The game is effectively an RTS skirmish mode with the faction quests being a pseudo campaign and they vary in terms of difficulty. The mechanicus one can be brutal with how it just spams a fuckton of late game Chaos units to stop you.
Would be great if the Worship mechanics from DoW2 came back for Chaos.
>>719604075>Eldar are insufferable whenever they're in a game>Eldarfags are insufferable whenever they're notMaybe when they're excluded from TWW40K for Necrons and Nids it'll make some of them shut up and sit down.
>>719603930Going into why 10th edition is shit would take the whole thread, just trust me when I say it's skub.As for the Emperor thing, that's with the new Grey Knights codex which finally spells out what the Terminus Decree is, which was a secret something given to the GKs by the Emperor, only to be opened in the Imperium's darkest hour. Turns out that of all the million things it could be, it's just an order saying that if Big E ever regenerates or reincarnates off the golden throne, it's their job to stick him back on the auric toilet. Which is dumb for many reasons, most of all implying they gotta fight through the Custodes.
>>71960393010 Edition was back in 2023. The thing you're talking about is called The Terminus Decree, and the new info was from the new Grey Knights Codex.Before the Terminus Decree was some mysterious thing, in a box, on Titan. Said that it should only be opened in humanities darkest hour and that whatever it was has the power to either save, or end, humanity. In the recent Codex, this was changed to be that it is an order that the Grey Knights were to either kill or re-entomb the Emperor should he ever attempt to leave, be reborn, or ascend to godhood.
>>719592017Are they really non-playable?
>>719604176>>719604229The Terminus retcon was done to shill Sisters of Silence. Notice how suddenly out of nowhere people started bringing up SoS again, even after years of neglect and downright scorn being directed at them even by GW themselves.GW wants them to be a really big thing so that more people buy them (and in turn buy Custodes, and the overpriced Resin models Custodes have)GKs arr considered a lesser faction because 'fixing' them with Primaris would be extensive and likely not profitable.So GKs get sacrificed in favor of Sisters of Silence and in turn Custodes.
>>719604170The players like embracing the biggest part of their faction. Being huge cunts that nobody really likes playing against.
>>719604435People were already talking up the Sisters of Silence from the female Custodes stuff, in the tried and true method of "we already had girls here, why do we need more?"
>>719602571She will remain unfucked to see how stir crazy she gets.
>>719604435I really hate blank lore and how it works in setting. It never should have been some anti-psyker. It should have just been invisibility to Witch Sight and Immunity to Warp powers. If you had to give Culexus some funky power for their bigass helmet, it could have just been projecting that directly onto a Psyker so they couldn't cast spells at all or even communicate with any other Psykers telepathically.
>>719601231She died and became a big robot.
>>719604562I suppose it's more the principle of the thing. Every time the usual suspects demand "female representation" it's to the factions that are predominately male only (Space Marines) but also generally more popular. You aren't going to see anyone demanding female representation for Chaos, or Orks, or fucking Necrons. No, it's JUST the Space Marines. Because they're the face of the setting, if they can co-opt that then they've basically got the rest of 40k. The female Custodes thing was like trying to forcibly get a foot in the door.
>>719602284i want chaos xenos but space skaven? i'd really rather not honestly. they're one of the few things that are really unique to WH Fantasy, even among general fantasy stuffno one is really asking them to put in tau or nids into fantasy/AoS so why skaven in 40k
>>719604707>It never should have been some anti-psykerThat's the funny part. In lore blanks have their own grades and such, and most are barely strong enough to stifle an unsanctioned psyker.If a squad of SoS got into a fight with a squad of GKs the GKs are going to fucking steamroll them with no losses.
>>719604738> they're one of the few things that are really unique to WH Fantasy,Yeah, I just thought it would be very funny to see. Because they seemed to be always ahead in technology when they create miniguns and rocket ships. Out of all the factions, I love Skavens because of their personality. It's like Redwall but on crack.
>>719604730>necronsFunny you mention that because in reality they've always been the most egalitarian faction. EVERYONE got converted whether rich or poor, man or woman.
>>719600484I don't know Anon, the devs looks like they know what makes a good DoW game. A lot will depend on how much they choose to experiment with the formula and how deep GW plunges its fist up their ass to finger puppet them. I'm anticipating a rocky release, but not as catastrophically bad like DoW3 was, that would be a hard failure to match.
>>719572338Won't the game actually have to be good in order to get DLC?
Votann is the STUPIDEST faction. It feels like something out of a completely different sci-fi universe. Nothing Grimdark at all
>>719604730To be completely honest with you, I fully believe that there's already female space marines.I think space marines are so far removed from being human that I see them the same as Fallout's Super Mutants. Essentially there's really only so many shapes the human body can take when you pump it full of so much muscle and all the other genetic shit they do to marines that they all just come out looking like they do no matter what it was that went in.There are no female space marines, because there are no male space marines. Going through the process renders you into little more than a sexless hunk of meat fit to be a weapons platform and little else.These mutant freaks should all be killed, and the Guard should be rightfully lauded as the true protectors of humanity that they are.
>>719604730They'll never get female SMs, fucking never. GW would never risk the golden goose like that. Custodes? Who gives a fuck about them. The lore? It's all about the plastic.
>>719604943Not much of a change from the Tau then.
>>719604804I know, it's so dumb. It just makes blanks utterly worthless at arbitrary moments because the authors doesn't want his Psyker OC to lose.
>>719605054They both suck
>>719605074Nah. Squats making a comeback was good. Piss and shit yourself.
>>719605054I thought Tau is a lot more cynical? Like they claim to be for the greater good, but use subversive methods to manipulate and brainwash lesser races.
>>719605060Well, in the case of the Grey Knights at least, even without their powers they're still space marines that have access to some of the best equipment in the galaxy.
When was Tau introduced? Like sometime around the early 2000's? How did people feel about them back then?
>>719605186Oh no! The Ethereals... Send you off to be a fisherman on a backwater for failure? They... Don't tell you the truth on the news? Tau'va... It's too grimdark!
Whorehammer 69k: Dawn of whores, when?
>>719604961The thing that negates this is that it's still canon in the current codex and lorebook that the Geneseed ONLY works on the male genome, so you literally cannot have a young girl become a Space Marine. This has been true since the very beginning and causes retards to pull out the old ass 1st/2nd ed model that would be the basis for the SoB and not some mystical "Female Space Marine"
>>719604860Your viewpoint character for the necron campaign in Mechanicus 2 is even a female lord. She looks the same as every other lord because surprise surprise, making anatomically accurate bodies for their future robot slaves was probably not high on the C'tan's list of priorities. Also so hyped that Faustinius and the gang are not only back for the ad mech campaign, but will be replacing your generic tech priests and taking to the field themselves.
>>719605389We'll make it work
>>719605450Mark my words, someone will mod the necron lord to have metal boobs, and if not, she WILL be drawn with them
>>719605389I'm sure that works.
>>719605230Exactly. So you're just making Blanks redundant at their job for no reason because any Psyker who isn't totally reliant on nothing but Psyker powers and operating with a hint of common sense would still have a perfectly good chance of defending themselves against them. So the blanks are pretty much just doubly worthless.
>>719605186The Tau got more darker bits added after the fact. Some of those things are questionable on how accurate they are. One recent one I've seen said a lot is that they brainwashed the Vespid, but that's more an assumption because the Vespid for these helmets to allow them to communicate with the Tau, and were fine with joining the greater good right after. Or the chemical castration stuff from DoW which was never really considered canon, but there was a reference to it in something recent and I don't remember what it was.In general, they're the most likely to work with another faction, which for some is enough to make them not fit in 40k. They're still a highly expansionist empire, but they're more open to diplomatic expansion than the Imperium is. Diplomatic in this case also means seeding agents onto worlds to help push the population over to the Tau's side of things. They also now have a very strict information system within their own Empire. The population pretty much only learns about something if the Ethereals want them too. It's largely an attempt to paint a sort of Big Brother look to the empire, but paradoxically showing that you have slightly more freedom and a better quality of life than in the Imperium.
>>719605531Canon supports it,that's how Szeras has the amount of support he does in necron society, because no one is better at modifying their bodies then he is.
>>719605390Yeah, but that can change. I'm just saying that there's an easy and simple way for GW to say that actually there are female space marines, while at the same time changing literally nothing about the plastic product they make. Making it so unintrusive to all involved that I'm pretty sure most people wouldn't even notice it.But then again GW also decided the best way to make new proportioned sculpts was to say that all the old marines are shit and here's these new ones that are better in every way. So I'm sure it's just not their style.
>>719605670Tau diplomacy is still built on their manifest destiny belief, and how the whole galaxy should operate under the Greater Good. The Tau view diplomacy as a softer form of invasion using culture, technology, and economics to sneak their way in. It's interesting to see a faction in 40k do that, but also slowly realize diplomacy won't work with everyone, like the Orks, Nids, Dark Eldar, really most of the other factions and races.
>>7195723381. Guard2. ChaosThat's your first wave>1. Eldar (obviously)fuck off they're worst part of every DoW game the longer we go without them the better
>space dwarf fag DLCkek no way
>>719605670>there was a reference to it in something recent and I don't remember what it wasNot exactly a reference, but the Water Caste expect the human population of the mining world Taros to fall to lower levels and for Tau settlers to come in after.
>>719605776Anon, they tried that with the Custodes and it kicked a hornets nest of negative feedback. For a retcon in a side blurb in the new codex which also wasn't very good. If GW tries that, it would be that backlash but 1000 times worse.
Dawn of war 30k edition, when?
>>719605963Nah, they showed off a clearly female charcter as a custodes. My thinking is that say, Gabriel could have been a girl, but now they're a space marine.
>>719605638Again, the Grey Knights are an extreme outlier case. And hasn't it been that most blanks only have the immunity to psyker powers and can't actively shut down psykers since the start? That's why the distinction exists between blanks and pariahs(the much stronger blanks that get headhunted by the culexus temple). The pariah are the ones that can actively fuck with psykers and with the proper equipment, even turn their powers back on them.
>>719605776The lore literally states that geneseed only works on MEN. There's nothing unobtrusive about what you're suggesting, it would be immediately noticed, and would not be taken lightly. SMs armies sell the most, they're not gonna do shit to risk that.
>>719605789the Tau being the 40k idea of a Federation was always really interesting to me, and I just wish they'd lean more into all the alien races that are part of their empire.>>719605880that sounds like what I recall, yeah.
>>719606067You can akready do marines vs spiky marines in 40k, 30k is redundant.
>No Eldar>No SoB>No DEldar>No ChaosThis game SUCKS
>>719606067I'd still say to fuck off with that shit. I don't want what happened to Star Wars to happen in 40k. I want at least 1 setting I know of to remain grim dark, not lame and gay.https://starwars.fandom.com/wiki/Sisterlook at this shit, this is something someone wrote and made and someone else greenlit. This is now apparently canon to Star Wars that there is at least 1 tranny clone trooper.
>>719606216I kinda forgot that SoB were in Soulstorm.
>>719606216Sold as DLC, almost certainly with their own campaigns
>>719606119Anon, the lore doesn't matter, it's never mattered to GW. That's the point of them saying "everything is canon" it lets them to whatever the fuck they want, whenever the fuck they want. Because everything written is canon to the people who wrote it in universe. You all threw your little hissy fit, then just continued to buy the stuff. You're no better than the "boycott CoD" steam players. You'll keep sucking GW's cock no matter what they do.>>719606230>I don't want what happened to Star Wars to happen in 40k. I want at least 1 setting I know of to remain grim darkStar Wars? Grim Dark? Are you retarded?I mean you must be, you take 40k lore seriously, I don't know why I asked.
>>719606230>the culture war must be omnipresent and inescapable>there must be no refuge from it, not even this space fantasy setting about space wizards from the past futureI want these people banished to a hell without exit or end.
>>719606402>Anon, the lore doesn't matter, it's never mattered to GWIt matters when it comes to selling plastic. Face it, there's not gonna be female space marines. Ever. Not even GW is that stupid.
>>719606230>look at this shit, this is something someone wrote and made and someone else greenlit. This is now apparently canon to Star Wars that there is at least 1 tranny clone trooper.I think this kind of writing originated from the fan fiction communities like deviant art. These people grew up, and ended up writing the official lore. It was foreshadowed all along. That's pretty grim, in a meta kind of way.
>>719604943I think Votann just lacked material so they are just kinda there. They need a big campaign like the Damocles Crusade for Tau.
>>719606402I never said Star Wars was grim dark, I said it was lame and gay. I just want a setting that is sincere with it's presentation and isn't filled with 13 layers of retarded modern day irony. You can have that shit.
>>719606597Activists won't stop until they get shot honestly. This shit is their entire existence and personality, there's room for nothing else in their heads.
>>719606706The cult of current thing is a blight on western civilization.
>>719606081Fair enough I just think that distinction should be more apparent and that Blanks shouldn't really have the "Hurt Psykers" aspect, maybe just confuse the crap out of them since they're invisible to what is many Psykers primary sense. Which should be a subtle advantage. Being truly immune to Warp Shenanigans as opposed to Pariahs who look like a walking aberration and make all the Wizards start pissing and shitting, making their presence rather obvious and who feed on the Warp like a C'tanPariahs can continue being Warp Vampires or whatever it is they do, but those should be phenomenally more rare. Where as Sisters of Silence should mostly be conventional blanks. I'm just not a fan of the whole "anti-psyker" dynamic.
>>719572338>Votannnice bait.Most likely Chaos will be the first expansion like with DoW II
>>719606870Did any of the people getting the pre-alpha mention unit upgrades? It'd be neat if the base faction was Undivided like Black Legion or Word Bears but then you could upgrade certain units to align with certain Gods to specialize.
>>719606796It's a blight on sentience itself. It's literally a case of a viral meme completely hollowing a person out and taking over them, there's nothing left of whoever they were, and no path back to normalcy. They're just a vector to spread their meme now, ambling about their daily lives, but all of their mental energy dedicated to the meme. It's a horrifying thing to behold, and I've seen it happen to people I cared about in real time.
>>719604075Nah, marinefags are way more insufferable and they get everything.
>>719606984Middle Eastern civilization seem immune to it, they accomplish this the same way they solve most of their social issues.>are you praising Allah?>No!?>ROCK TO THE HEAD!
>>719606968>UpgradesIndrid shared his thoughts on the game and from what I remember>Squad member upgrades are back like DoW1 + 2>I forget if he mentioned squad leaders but you can attach your commander units to squads again>You can equip single squads with multiple gear upgrades, including mixing ranged and melee weapon upgrades
>>719607113Well they've been operating with that mandate since the start of their barbarism where any internal review of the religion is deemed heretical and snuffed out almost immediately. It's why they will never get their own reformation movement.
>>719607113Nearly every other civilization maintained ideological defences, violence is an easy one, it's only in the west where those were lowered because of egalitarian ideals, Live And Let Live and all that. Ironically enough, the meme itself possesses its own defences.
>>719606870Chaos is very likely given that the game already has 2 of each Imperium and Xenos factions but no chaos to start with. Plus we don't know what the campaigns are like yet but I'd image there will be chaos NPCs at some points because they always show up to cause mischief And if they already have some ingame models then making them the next faction is only logical since it will take less work to get a complete unit rosterSame goes for the guard which was already shown in the preview material with basic guardsmen and a leman russ tank
>>719606968There are unit upgrades and weapon selections, yes.I doubt they'd go into sub faction upgrades though.
Here are the plans, DLCs are going to be "rivalries" and add campaigns for the DLC factions + few units for other factions>1 - IG vs Chaos >2 - Eldar vs Votanns>3 - Tau vs undecided, but probably Nids.
>>719607439>I doubt they'd go into sub faction upgrades though.They seem pretty intent on making the playable races as unique as possible so Chaos' entire shtick of being able to worship a chosen god to incur benefits could be possible. We don't many details as of yet but Space Marines seem to really embody that "tough but lacking in manpower" playstyle with their Armor of Contempt passive that gives them a shield every time they kill a model and whenever they lose a model.Necrons can apparently only build on their specific territory like Zerg-Creep and Undead-Blight with increased health regen for units on top of said territory. Orks will no doubt have their own WAAAGGHHH mechanics too.
>ctrl f chaos>all of these resultsDO YOU HEAR THE VOICES TOO?!
>>719607773WE ARE FILLED WITH THE POWER OF CHAOS
>>719607680>>2 - Eldar vs Votanns>>3 - Tau vs undecided, but probably Nids.Doubtful. I think it'll be Votann vs Nids because that's a big thing with them right now. The Tau are kind of irrelevant in the setting, they could end up going against anyone, but the most likely matchup would be Chaos again on the other end of the Startide Nexus, throw in some Eldar shenanigans.
Give me custodes, genestealer cults and tyranids
>>719607439Sub factions I think only work if you keep the total number of main factions low so you don't dilute everything too much. Think CnC Generals or Kane's Wrath. You got Nod, then you have Black Hand and Marked of Kane. All 3 are still Nod, but play noticeably different due to a different line up of units and upgrades. So you could do a line up of Space Marines, then Blood Angels and Iron Hands as the sub factions.
>>719607773CAN NONE OF YOU KILL MEEEEE!?
>>719607951>troonstodesNah. GSC would be kino though.
>>719607995I hope Chaos is Iron Warriors. I don't think it will be but I hope
>>719608089It'd be kino, but they're not Chaos enough because they don't really like daemons or magic. They cut their own mutations off and replace them with bionics.
I predict two dlc with one race each and then the game is shut down from lack of interest
>>719608254They like Forge Daemon Magic. So no possessed but you could have Forge Fiends and they still have Sorcerers.
>>719608254We'd have a ton of Daemon Engines as well as Obliterators/Mutilators.Hopefully Chaos Terminators won't be fucking relegated to mod work.
>>719608393Older lore had them using Furies and other non-aligned demons as well. I think that got retconned around the same time GW stopped making undivided demons of Chaos.
>>719608254>bro chaos is fine in moderation>I can quit anytime I want
>>719608561Love this one, it's not even an exaggeration
>>719608561A TOOL LIKE ANY OTHER
>>719608561>Fabius Bile>Looks Slaanesh in the Eyes>Has a Double Heart Attack>"Nah, didn't happen."What an absolute Lad
>>719608637Is that what he looks like as a daemon primarch? I wish they hadn't made him one, remaining himself despite Chaos would have been peak, but this design isn't too bad, he's a big fucking mech bristling with guns.
Has anything exciting happened with the Tau for the past like 7 years?
>>719608740I don't think it's official and he's never really had a form described or hinted at. Just some dude took his 30k model and slapped it on a soul grinder with a few extra guns
>>719608762Not really, no.
The game would need to be successful in order to get DLC and that's not happening
>>719608734https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rp_0N94f9mAProbably the best reading out there of that bit
>>719608762There was that time the Death Guard fucked up their new phase of expansion, and all the non-Tau species unintentionally created a Goddess based on their belief of the Tau'Va being a literal god and not an ideology. I don't think GW is going to do anything with that second one though.
>>719608762The head ethereal got assassinated by a culexus assassin then replaced by an AI-powered hologram
>>719607773THINGS SHALL GET LOUD NOWhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7AC5M7F4ys
>>719609076I know the policy for BL shit is typically that authors are allowed to sort of carve out their own narratives but that means once they leave it basically never gets touched again which is what I predict will happen with the Tau goddess. >>719609191Was that "recent?" I thought that happened awhile ago.
>>719609191Anon that was 12 years ago
>>719609076I would say the Tau aren't far off from a psychic awakening of their own accelerated by Tau'va and their exposure to psychic races, we might get a proper Chaos Tau faction, maybe even a dark persona of Tau'va if GW has a good ehad on their shoulders. It'll take 20 years though, and GW is retarded, so.
Commander Hairgel should come back desu.
>>719609484Didn't he go crazy or something? Whatever happened to him?
>>719609342Worth noting that Tau'va pretty explicitly doesn't have a face and has six different arms.
>>719609435There's still the Farsight Enclaves being their version of Taiwan that the Ethereals and the greater empire refuse to acknowledge exist because it means the Tau don't need the Tau'Va at all anymore. That hasn't been touched either in favor of "we need more suits, bigger suits, fancier suits". Same for all the various aliens under their employ that could also be models to shore up their obvious weakness of no melee and no psychics. Tau will destroy you in shooting....then do basically nothing for 2 phases of the game. Wait, 1 phase in the game. The psychic phase was removed completely.
>>719588105Mabbon from Gaunts Ghosts. He was former imperial officer who defected to a chaos heretic army, was so effective he was volunteered to be "blessed" by chaos and became an elite shapechanging mutant commando. But during the process he had a glimpse of the true nature of chaos and the endless bloodshed of the universe and he was so horrified he defected back to the Imperium and swore to never fight again.Whats cool is that the Imperium had no intention of granting him any clemency and planned to execute him the moment they had no use for his intel, and that he was fully aware of this before defecting.
>>719609563The Farsight Enclaves still practice Tau'va, they just don't need Ethereals, and the roles of the castes don't need to be as strict as the Ethereals keep it.
>>719609507Evidently he and Thaddeus are already back in the fold. I think Hair Gel is captain of the 4th company.
>>719608274Is that somekind of autobattler?
So what is next for Games Workshop? What are they going to screw up next?
Votann should have been an auxiliary race to the Tau as their combat psyker/ slow armored unga bunga troops.
I hope we get chapters for all factions.
>>719587085>be eldar>you only exist to constantly be dying, losing, or making space marines look goodIt's a shame ogres exist in fantasy, otherwise elves would have my full attention
>>719609920Retarded writers that think dying race means a shit load of them need to die whenever they show up, have ruined the eldar.
>>719609897We're getting fully fledged campaigns for all four factions apparently, and not like DC/SS or Retribution where it's the same campaign with tweaks they said. Remains to be seen if they stick with this for any DLC they make, but I think they can convince GW to let them if the game does well.
>>719608254>they're not Chaos enough because they don't really like daemons or magic.Retard headcanon of people that only know lore from 4chan posts. The Iron Warriors fucking love daemons when strapped into machines, they have daemon princes leading their warbands, they have sorcerers in their ranks and conduct chaos rituals. They live in the warp whenever they don't break out into reality and are pumped up with chaos roidsThey don't worship chaos as a form divinity like the Word Bearers do but they 100% are typical chaos marines
>>719610119Dark Crusade was big when adding a big risk style map was all the rage for RTS games. It was a cool idea and done better than what Soulstorm tried to do. Was Soulstorm even made by Relic?
>>719609920>be Eldrad>genius idea of killing all of Eldar to summon Ynnead to end Slaanesh>jobs to Deathwatch and failed the ritualEven the eldar failed to kill eldar.
>>719610223>Was Soulstorm even made by Relic?No, they farmed it out to Iron Lore, who honeslty did alright with it but it definitely shows signs of having been rushed out the door.
>>719608637>>719606968This artist's vision for 40K is cool as fuck. GW should hire him to make concept art for new models
>>719610223SS was done by Iron Lore iirc. What I mean is that DoW4 is going to have a proper campaign that isn't barebones like the Risk mode DC and SS did, I'm not sure if they intend to implement a Risk mode or just go with a straight mission-to-mission campaign. They may, it was very popular in DC.
>>719609509You know artists aren't gonna care about that.
>>719610253He wasn't trying to kill all the Eldar, he was trying to awaken Ynnead without killing all the Eldar.
>>71957233840k is such a shit setting for not having Skaven
>>719610329Having 7 playable races and being able to have a campaign for all of them is probably why they went with the open ended campaign. Even then you could tell they had to cut a lot of corners. The majority of the map is the skirmish maps, a handful are noticeably different from those. There's exactly 1 non-stronghold mission that changes up how you do it significantly and it's honestly far harder depending on the race you picked. I think people remember it better than SS is that the banter between the commanders (except the Necron one) is pretty good. Eliphas is a shit talker to the supreme and it's very entertaining.
>>719610253Eldrad's plan was the opposite, he wanted to summon Ynnead without having all the eldar die. The original plan goes as such:Once every eldar is dead and in the infinity circuits of the various craftworlds, the infinity circuits combine, this produces a new eldar god(Ynnead)with the combined might of the entire eldar species, this god will then dab on Slaanesh so utterly it ceases to exist, and free all the eldar souls Slaanesh has claimed. Then Ynnead will remake the eldar, free of the flaws that led to the birth of Slaanesh, eldar reclaim their rightful place as rulers of the galaxy and everything is good(for the eldar)forever. Eldrad's plan replaced the all eldar die part with power up Ynnead with the crone swords instead.
>>719610458>ratnigger makes a post>it's truly horrible Back to /twg/ with you.
>>719610575ratGODS own these halls
>>719610495From the interviews, it seems like they don't want to cut corners with DoW4, so ideally that means we're getting a mix of DoW1, WA and DC, with DoW2's depth for the characters. At the very least, they've stated that the single player campaign is the biggest focus for them over multiplayer.
>>719610458Pretty early on, the Hrud were implied to be the 40k Skaven, since they were described as having rat-like tails and primarily living underground, but that got dropped pretty fast by GW because they didn't want 40k to just be Fantasy in Space for some baffling reason. I can see why they wouldn't want them in the setting, since the Imperium already has the same kind of trashy aesthetic and unwashed masses of human waves that the Skaven do.
The original DoW sucked, when will actually good 40k games like DoW2 or the Men of War mod get some attention? The Men of War mod is by far the most accurate, granular representation of 40k fluff in vidya and it can even be played online.
>>719610873>when will actually good 40k games like DoW2When will you stop being retarded for attention?
>>719610925The campaign was very good and the last stand mode was funThey only fucked up the skirmish mode
>>719611103Won't deny that based on the merits of the writing, but DoW2's gameplay as a whole was massively stripped down from DoW, everybody hated it at the time, despite the improvements to vehicles and cover mechanics. We want base building, we want actual armies, we want resource management. There's nothing wrong with tactics games, but DoW2 was too much of a departure from what we wanted.
>>719610223 Yeah, Soulstorm was mostly Iron Lore with Relic kinda supervising, but it absolutely didn't have the same polish. You can feel the jank even in the campaign map-AI would just zerg rush strongholds without building anything in between. Dark Crusade had its issues too but at least there was a sense of progression and pacing. If DoW4 actually pulls off faction-specific campaigns with unique storylines and gameplay mechanics, that would be a first for the series and a massive step up. Here's hoping they don't ditch the campaign map entirely though, Risk mode was janky but satisfying when done right.
>>719611248>Everybody hated it at the timeIt reviewed well and most people liked it even though it was pretty obvious that it was Company of Heroes but 40k edition. What people didn't like was that the Skirmish mode was clearly designed with team fights in mind and that the AI for it was pants on head retarded even at the best of times. They would often totally ignore your units just to rush past and cap objective points. Only until they had ALL of them did they finally fight you in a reasonable manner.
>>719611346>It reviewed wellCritics review EVERYTHING well, that's what they're paid for you retard.>most people liked itNo, anon, we didn't, it was panned by fans of the first game, especially after the disappointment of Soulstorm.
>>719611474Anon, DoW as a series is only connected because of the IP. saying "fans of DoW1" didn't like it, as there were also fans who did like it. Likewise critics don't review everything well, they just tend to review well what company pays the most in bribes for good reviews...and then give their actual opinions about 3-5 weeks later. The only one I can say doesn't have its fans at all are DoW3 for being so wildly different in tone and presentation that not even the IP could save it. Relic let that die in months and then promptly died themselves.
>>719611642I'm not saying DoW2 doesn't have fans, I'm saying DoW2 fans are retarded.
>>719611248>We want base building, we want actual armies, we want resource management.Who is we, nobody wants more shit C&C clones those games suck ass. Tactics games are actually popular. I bet you haven't even played the Men of War mod.
>>719611813It's Real Time Strategy, not Real Time Tactics retard, fuck off, I'm glad the devs aren't listening to you mouthbreathers for DoW4.
>>719610641It amazes me that Skavenfags manage to somehow be worse then Eldarfags.
>>719572338I fucking hate eldar.I fucking hate xeno scum. They all deserve to die the most horrible way possible.
>>719612118Reminder that Skaven won WHFB
>>719612135basedtotal xenos death
>>719606038Hopefully never, expanding on HH was a mistake
>>719612135Calm down there guy who is totally not corrupted by Khorne.
>>719612207No they didn't, Archaon did. The Skaven rode his coattails and tried to claim it was their win afterwards, at which point Archaon spat on the Great Horned Rat.
>>719612869GHR is still cooler than any of the Cringeos gods, and ratmen are way cooler than vikings with the serial numbers filed off. Also DOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOMWHEEL!
Now the dust is settled and every other potential character has had their name cleared.What the actual fuck was his problem?
Given the timing, Deldar followed by whichever unlucky bastards comprise the year-1 codex lineup of 11th edition. >>719606038I'll never forgive HH for either locking the good shit behind Forgeworld low-quality, poisonous resin or getting the plastic stuff legends'd because of some gay rivalry the games' teams all have for each other, same thing with Daemons getting neglected and almost killed because nobody wanted to make new shit for them out of paranoia a different team would get the credit.
>>719613045He realised that There Is Only War, and wanted to go out on his own terms.
>>719609039> unlistedwut> look at comments> "GW is being retarded." - BurialGoodsfucking GW.
>>719613351It's easy enough to find it and post it, just look it up any react channel and the unlisted original is linked. But yeah, GW is retarded, I only just found out it was unlisted while looking for it to post here. I hate GW so much it's unreal.
>see 40k thread>immediately see ching chong ping pong hentai gooner tau slopRemember to kill all tau, bully all tau players and smash all tau models (which probably aren't even painted) with your chud forge world resin tanks
>>719613621Not as prevalent this thread, thank fuck
>>719613621Save their batlesuits when possible, so we can analyze them to know all the ways they are inferior to our stuff, of course.t.totally not a heretek.
>look up Tau art>90% of it is girls with giant titsWhy?
>>719613904Because Tau actually stands for Tremendously Ample Udders
>>719613904Because science fiction will never escape the specter of James Tiberius Kirk.
>>719613904Biologically, Tau evolved from Bovoids. Cows.
>>719604349https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XD_nKRCwz0wGameplay trailer said 2 playable factions: AdMech and Necron.
>>719608637>Another baby carrier
>>719595837Calm down Tarkus
>>719610458what artist?
>>719613351>BurialGoodsIt's offtopic, but I love that channel. His hexcore album has me giggling like a moron.
>>719599585Thank (You) for your service
>>719602103Boltgun gets points for actually giving you a good gun right away (the titular Boltgun really is a workhorse), but the game generally wears off pretty quickly. I think people agree that it's a bit too long for what it is.
>>719572745>>719573027Dark Eldar are playable in Gladius and honestly despite not being my favorite faction in 40k, the mechanics and how they play in Gladius is not only very thematic for them, it's also just really fun to play. It might be the first turn based game I've played where hit and run tactics with dudes coming in and out of fast transports just works and doesn't feel like clunky micromanagement for zero reward.
>>719607113>start off as a bunch of scattered camel jockey city states worshiping stone idols with a side of trade and slavery>are subsequently buckbroken and converted by the strongest warlord Arabia has ever seen with divine backingThey aren't as eternal as their books might claim. There was a point in time when they were effectively second fiddle to the Zoroastrians before they collapsed under their own weight.
>>719614761some korean
ELDAR OWE HUMANS THE PUREST OF SEXOOOO
>>719604943They look like they wandered in from Antares.
>>719615460Their old mythology and society before islam was some really good shit, I wish it hadn't been destroyed by the insane desert cult that destroyed everything else everywhere else.
>>719604943grimdark is a secondary meme
>>719602415What really annoys me is that the Sisters of Silence are right there. The other half of the Talons of the Emperor alongside the Custodes. Instead of giving the Sisters a ton of attention, they just... fucking ignore them. It's not even virtue signaling, its worse. It's just plain old opportunism to cash in on a trend.
>>719606038>muhreens vs muhreens vs muhreensHeresyfags can fuck right off.
>>719606038never, its the worst aspect of the whole franchise
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wi8iGMUVT2oGuilliman's current life is pain. Man has to see M42 in all its rot and decay, from without and within.
>>719616002Maybe if he wasn't too busy sleeping off a stabbing for 10k years he could have prevented the Imperium from turning pants on head retarded.Or hell, considering that the primaris are a contingency plan of his own design then maybe he should have fucking come up with a contingency plan that keeps the Imperium from going pants on head retarded.
>>719616104>Maybe if he wasn't too busy sleeping off a stabbing for 10k years he could have prevented the Imperium from turning pants on head retarded.Imperium pretty much created to be retarded, since Neoth never grew up from Bronze Age Warlord stage
>>719616104He couldn't have if he'd been around the entire time. None of the other players at the time really trusted Guilliman, if Malcador had survived, there would have been a chance, that guy's raw bureaucratic autism was the only thing keeping the Imperium working.
>>719612118All elves are secretly rats, everyone knows that.
>>719616586Most people tend to forget that as soon as the galaxy was split in half thanks to the Eye of Terror, Guilliman immediately called Terra a lost cause and established Imperium Secundus with himself as the leader of it. Sanguinius took his Blood Angels from Ultramar through the Eye and made it to Terra in time to support the Emperor, Dorn, and the Khan, and even gave up his life fighting Horus.I know there's going to be an Ultramarines simp that will say "well the chance of completing the traversal was almost 0%" or "Guilliman actually didn't give up on Terra and knew it would succeed he just needed to establish a new capital until the Eye closed" or some other stupid shit. I don't care. I literally don't care what Dark Heresy book you point to, I don't care what writer's opinion you bring up, I just don't care. Guilliman is the third biggest fucking traitor to the Imperium behind Erebus and Horus. I absolutely despise Guilliman. I wish that he had died a sad, pathetic, stagnant death because he's a piece of shit.>b-but the Ultramar System is the biggest part of the Imperium--HIS FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS AFTER THE HERESY ENDED WAS TO DEMAND TITHESNOT PURGE THE REST OF THE TRAITORS IN REALSPACE (like Dorn) OR FIGURE OUT THIS WEBWAY SHIT THAT'S FUCKING UP TERRA AND DISTRACTING THE EMPEROR ON HIS THRONE (like the Khan)HE'S JEWISH PRETENDING HE'S nuROMANHE'S AN ASTERIX AND OBELIX PUNCHLINE
>>719613621>Perturabo shitting his diapers againPredictable.
>>719614920>His hexcore album has me giggling like a moron.If you want to have some real laughs, take any recent news article about a rapper getting arrested for crimes, and then translate that to hexcore/ye-olde-english nomenclature.The irony is if they actually had an ounce of genuine creativity and merely reframed their criminal activity as high-fantasy adventure, no one would've really known.
>>719589925>They're a solid and distinct faction both when it comes to their aesthetics, their playstyle and their overal vibe and therefore are a good pick for an RTSThat's one thing I don't get with the current line-up of factions: Eldar usually filled the niche of the quick, fragile, hard-hitting and micro-intensive factions in the DoW games. That niche could also be filled with the Dark Eldar, with Tau, maybe SoB? But don't see SM, AdMech, Orks and certainly Necrons embodying this archetype.
>>719589925>Who gives a fuck,Literally everyone who makes 40k IP relevant>and Eldar happen to be among the most classic of those aliens.That's a weird way to say "least popular"
>>719617074Was his reasoning not that he thought Terra had fallen to the traitors so he was establishing a rally point for the loyalists?
>>719574971I would love to play Dark Eldar but sadly I doubt they bring them back. Slavery is no no topic right now, hell in the Dark Eldar DLC for Gladius they wrote in Dark Eldar Codex that they use forced labourers for labor, everything to avoid that dreaded s-word. Slaanesh too, although GW made sure to make deamonettes as ugly and unsexy as they could, its still an idea of the boob is big no no. Its DOW so DLC will be Khorne like always and woe is me mon keigh Eldar, maybe Nids.
>>719617889Just call them prisoners with jobs.
>>719617948involuntary volunteers
>>719617948Brand Champions
I only like the edition the first and second dawn of war is based on
>>719618126It's actually going to be a trip needing to refer to my tactical marines as fucking INTERCESSORS
>>719604075As you can see, the coomers don't care either way.
>>719606038>blocky shout guys shooting at other blocky shout guysNah.
>>719604738>no one is really asking them to put in nids into fantasy/AoSThere's defienetly a small, but very loud group that keeps asking for inesctoid bug monsters. But i'm fairly sure it's mostly due to completionism autism, since they already exists as a background NPC race without models
>>719606038>blocky shout guys shooting at other blocky shout guysKino
Why is always the orc? or the bugs?
>>719618126DoW I was based on the tail end of 3rd edition and early 4th edition. DoW II was late 4th and 5th editions.
>>719618757>>719618968There were also sometimes guys that thought robots are super cool. And the guys that did the vast majority of the fighting, but they aren't space marines so they may as well be scenery that bleeds.
>>719572338I DEMAND nids!>b-b-but DoW2Doesn't count. Stupid CoH-clone.I want to DEFILE the battleground!
>>719619263Large numbers threat
>>719572338Sisters
>>719608762Lore wise I didn't follow much but heard they tried to do their third or fourth grand sphere expansion and got spanked by the first passing Death Guard fleet.Model wise, the whole Kroot line got refreshed and look fantastic.
>>719587232Call me newfag and niggerfaggot but I need to know what game is this
>>719619770Chapter Master.https://github.com/Adeptus-Dominus/ChapterMaster
>>719619912Bless you, anon.
>>719619465They also accidentally created a minor god/warp entity from all of their assimilated races believing in the greater good, it's pretty funny
>>719619263Old and known factions, that have great range in units and tactics and differ enough from the norm
>>719617868The idea was that he thought it had already fallen to traitors or would before they could get to Terra, so Imperium Secundus was meant to be a smaller version centered on his 500 worlds to regroup and theoretically, in future, set out to reconquer the galaxy again. Guilliman has always cared more about Ultramar than the Imperium at large, it didn't help that Horus' lot went to a lot of effort to attack Ultramar specifically to keep Guilliman as far from Terra as they could, because apparently his strategic acumen would have seen Horus lose very fast, and especially as he continued to lose his mind to Chaos.Guilliman isn't a traitor exactly, but he gave up on Terra as a lost cause very easily without confirmation, it was the best call he could make with the information he had. He saw devoting his legion to Terra's defence as an unacceptable risk that could have cost Humanity its entire future if it didn't pan out. Funnily enough, if he'd just talked to Sanguinius, he'd have learned that hawk boy had already foreseen his own death in Terra's defence, which would have been confirmation enough for Guilliman to devote troops to Terra through the Eye.But then again, Sanguinius' vision, as well as Curze's vision of 40k, as WELL as the Cabal's vision through the Acuity and Eldrad's vision of 40k meant that what happened happened and couldn't have happened any other way. There are indications that the Emperor knew, or had strong suspicions of how everything was going to turn out.Honestly the biggest mistake was Magnus trying to astral project directly to Big E and breaching the Webway protections to begin with, if that had not happened the Heresy wouldn't have made it to Terra.
>>719620025>"Set against the cosmos, I am nothing, it is true. Though even a seed cast to the wind can flourish. If you will let me, child of hope.">"I simply wish to exist, child.">"I am the goddess T'au'va.">"No! These t'au are godless!">"But their allies are not."She's pretty cute. Which is bad news because in the grim darkness of the 41st millennium, we can't have things getting too noblebright.
>>719604898>I don't know Anon, the devs looks like they know what makes a good DoW game.Anon, they are well-known scammers who already pulled this exact thing before.They looked like someone who was really interested and knowledgable in how Company of Heroes functions under the hood. But once the game came out, the mechanics were shit, the balance was completely out of whack and the campaigns a travesty to the genre.Which would be fine for someone making their very first RTS game, as newbies (designers, engineers, artists) have to figure out everything from scratch... but we also got an inside look from a dev anon who said that the studio team and management was both completely out of touch with RTS games and most people just wanted to continue to make TBS games, which is what they signed up for.
>>719613904gooner weebs latching onto the first thing that reminds them of their chinky cartoon porn (but the women are blue this time whooaaa so exotic)
>>719621387Man...
>>719621387What the hell is that, Bernd-anon?
>>719621458I mean there's always a chance but the odds are decidedly tilted against them making a good RTS game.
>>719621574Battle Worlds: Kronos, the Kickstarter game which was the DoW4 devs' first non-mobile project and built the studio with Advance Wars et al fans.
>>719621387The biggest trickery in DoW4 marketing is King Art pretending that Iron Harvest was their first game>we made a kcikstarter for Iron Harvest>we delivered what we promised>some things worked well some didn't>we continued developing the game alongside community feedback to make the best out of it>we learned a lot and now we are ready for Dawn of WarSounds great right? Nice little underdog story of RTS fans turned developers making the games we miss so muchThen you look into the devs and find out they've been making games for a long time before Iron Harvest and it's all trash>Black Mirror is a mystery game not based on the TV show of the same name but released at the height of that show's popularity to leech off it>Zoo 2 Animal Park is a tycoon game made for mobile and ported to PC with all the usual mobile game monetization. You get free stuff early on to get you hooked but then it's all pay to progress>Battle Worlds Kronos is a turn based strategy game made for people that enjoy the combat in CIV games so much they wish they could cut out all the rest of the 4X gameplay and for some reason it's made for consoles just to make matters even worseAnd finally they have some adventure games in their catalog and those actually look decent. I haven't played any of them but I wouldn't mind giving them a try if I was in the mood for those kinds of games
>>719622271I mean it's not impossible.MiMiMi was also a weird shithouse before they got Shadow Tactics and single-handedly revived an entire genre.But things inside the studio would have to change drastically to allow that to happen. Shadow Tactics was their first Commandos-like and it got everyone in the team on board and locked the fuck in.Whereas like I said, it wasn't just inexperience that kept IH back, a good portion of the studio was straight up against the idea of making that game and wanted something else.
>>719620025That's a bit of an oversimplification. It's not so much that the auxiliaries believed in the greater good (because believing in it is the tau way of life for all in the empire anyway) and more that they interpreted the Greater Good as a religion to worship rather than a philosophy to embody. It's this kind of believing that resulted in the birth of Tau'va.
>>719622271It looks like they drag their devs around from genre to genre hoping to strike gold, without understanding that if you want to make something good in current times, your devs need veterency with the genre and the software they're using.
>>719622271Devs can change anon. I really enjoyed the Iron Harvest campaign and they have said they are focused on the campaigns for DoW4.If you are expecting some kind of esport to rival Starcraft you will be disappointed undoubtedly.
>>719624036Starcraft 2 was 15 years ago.
>>719624036Anon, it's okay to have shit standards but these people haven't been able to make a single good, memorable mission.And yet they're promising a game with more missions than any Westwood/Blizzard/Ensemble/Relic game ever made. They're digging their own grave by promising a pile of bad slop instead of actually trying to sit down and making less missions but fucking making them properly.
>>719594737I liked that in their Gladius ending they actually won for once.
>>719617074>be the supernaturally gifted logistics guy>people complain when you try to sort out supply lines
>>719617948coworker in chains
>>719619365>scenery that bleedsThat's actually very metal
>>719578915They were in Shootas, blood and teef, why not?
Why are eldar fans so entitled?
The latest Eldar Refresh was kino though.
>>719627026They aren't particularly entitled to be fair. Eldar have been in the setting since the beginning alongside SM, Chaos, and Orks. It's not unreasonable to expect them to be included as a DLC race.
>>719627026Marinefags are the most entitled retards ever though
Dark Eldar refresh soon!
>>719627991>obviously male deldar>boob plateFucking Dark Eldar. When is Commoragh being levelled for literally anything else to take its place?
>>719628361Nah my hands just wobble too much for decent faces.
>>719578881WOAH LOOK AT THAT FARTER
>>719627551Marines are what keep 40k alive.Eldar aren't.
>>719628361don't look up old sisters of battle face models
>>719628892New ones ain't that good either since now they have heads with obvious nigger features.
>>719622271Well Iron Harvest was the biggest game that they have made until now, and their first RTS, so I don't think that is weird that they are focusing on it.Also it's not a sin to make garbage as your first projects
NOOOOOO!!!CYRUS!!!
>>7195723381) Chaos 2) Eldar3) IG4) Tyranids5) Tau
>>719629372Just look how fucking smug that ... eh who the fuck is that?
>>719629372>already wearing Phobos armour which means he's already a Primaris>ugly ass Blood Ravens icon, they can't even use the iconic DOW1 and DOW2 logo
>>719627026because outside of DoW no one cares about eldar. they are the losers of 40k. the only time they ever win is on the tabletop because if they werent meta no one would buy their models
WE NEED A NEW DRIVERTHIS ONE IS DEAD
>>719629372I refuse to believe they killed him off for real. It's gotta be a fakeout.
new 40k game just droppedhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jdwm4F-I_tI
>>719619465Death guard got btfo though
>>719602571Gabe's too autistic to get the hint.
>>719630662That ain't 40k, but the CGI and cinematic style looks very familiar. Was it the Astartes guy?
>>719608934>Pacific Rim intensifieshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1vU7XqToZso
>>719608934Why does the codpiece look like a...
>>719630442Wasn't he already shown to be playable in the campaign in what little material we we've seen? It's probably just a "non canon" scene for trailer or something that could happen in different campaigns, but not the SM one.I mean, it would be pretty damn retarded for them to spoil the death of one of the main characters in the trailer
>>719631616They did say whatever happens depends on the choices you make in the campaigns. It just seems like a really specific thing to show us.
>>719593210is this your brain on new GW chaos apologist leftist lore?
>>719600014It's not as bad as mouthbreathers going around saying the warp in Fantasy and 40k is the same and it's all some meta-universal war between Chaos and Order. AoS was a pile of dogshit and we'll never recover from the retards treating it like gospel.
>>719593210>horus heresy slopNot Canon
>>719585780ask yourself this: If you were designing a superhuman warrior whose only function is to fight why would you bother adding a womb, tits, a hole prone to infection that bleeds for a week every month, and serious emotional instability?
>>719604176so they character assasinate another cool thing and tyrump card of humanity to further "own the space fascists"very cool, when are we french revolutioning these fuckers?
>>719633518Ah yes, space marines, famous for their emotional stability.
>>719632397Big wych cults?
>>719572338MossCannabis art style is frankly disgusting to look at
>>719594197>cultural exchange programIf you know, you know.
>>719619293Definitely early 4th, as the Blood Ravens appear in the Space Marine codex as one of the example color scheme chapters. DoW is essentially all the lore to the goings on with the chapter. We don't talk about the books.
>>719622271And?Peter Jackson before directing LoTR trilogy was known for B grade gore horror movies.
