It makes them feel like they're part of a secret club. I played both and P4 PS2 is obsolete.

>>719573975
There are "people" here who legitimately think PS2 Persona 3 is better than Reload and vanilla P5 is better than Royal. It's just contrarianism.

>>719573975
Cultural inertia. Back in the day nobody in the English-speaking world had a Vita, so the main exposure to the Golden content was the anime, which made Marie much worse than she actually was in the game itself. By the time P4G PC came out, it was 8 years (11 for the console-only kiddies) of anime secondaries shouting out anyone who actually played the game.

>>719574414
>Marie much worse than she actually was in the game itself.
Marie is abysmal both in game and in the anime.

>>719574501
Case in point

>>719574209
>Vanilla p5 is better than royal
Now THAT is some contrarian shit. Even ignoring the new characters and added story the basic quality of life shit and changes made royal worlds better

>>719574209
>There are "people" here who legitimately think PS2 Persona 3 is better than Reload
>cutting content is good
Kill thyself retard

>>719573975
I feel like the original lasted just the right amount of time it needed to. The pacing was perfect. Golden's additional story content I feel like drags the game on longer than it needs to. Marie is also pretty awful.
However the gameplay improvements in Golden are very much welcomed, and the new Adachi social link is pretty great, and adds a lot to him as a character.
I'd say that if I ever replay P4, I think I'd prefer going back to the Golden, but for someone's first time, I'd say the original is the best way to experience the story.

>>719574650
Oh shut the fuck up you pretentious faggot. Making excuses for Marie is pathetic. People don't like her for plenty of reasons.

>>719574893
Nobody made excuses for Marie, I just correctly pointed out that she was worse in the anime than in the game. Not my fault you're illiterate.

>>719573975
I wish they never even made marie and gave us more time with margaret

>>719574501
>Marie is abysmal
You're a fucking retard, Marie is one of the tsunderes that isn't a violent cunt so she's cool, fuck you

>>719575000
And I said she's abysmal in both. Your statement isn't fact and neither is mine but at least I'm not pretending my word is law.

>>719574501
She's not GREAT in the game but she's also hardly even present. Outside of the VERY beginning and the VERY end of the game.

>>719575141
>waifufag
She's the worst part about Golden and cringeworthy in every scene she's in. Making her a requirement for the true end is why I never replay Golden.

This is an SMT board. Persona is storyfaggotry.

A lot of people on 4chan are old enough to have played the original when it first released. Golden being on an unpopular console was enough of a reason to not play it, and learning what Golden added only made them double down. If you go to other sites, its mostly going to be zoomers talking about persona, and most of them will only play the newest version.
Personally, I think the Adachi social link ruined what little mystery the murder mystery game had, even if it was one of the better things golden added.

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>>719574209
Reload is the better game, but FES has superior atmosphere, lighting, direction, and tone. Reload adds plenty of QoL features, but the party dynamics feel very different--unlike in the OG games where the relationships felt a bit distant, here the cast does all sorts of activities together (playing games, reading, walking, studying, etc.), which makes them feel more like friends than coworkers. Because of that, the bonding doesn’t hit as hard once Ryoji sets the doomsday timer. On top of that, Yukari loses her sass, Mitsuru gets flanderized into a dommy mommy, Junpei leans more into clown territory, Akihiko is reduced to a protein junkie, and even Koromaru is voiced by a person instead of an actual dog like in the OG. Theurgies and Fuuka’s reworked abilities also make combat way too easy and borderline redundant.

>>719575315
No one gives the tiniest shit about SMT.

>>719575402
>posts Portable
Why?

>>719575531
Portable sissies have been trying to demonize Reload since before its release. The removal of the tranny from the beach scene really upset them.

>>719574209
P3FES > P3P >>> P3R (The reason is lack of edge and the drastic change in MC's characterization.)
P4 >>> Golden (The reason is the thematics of overflow of droning, boring TV information erasing ability to think. Golden being exciting, flashy and fun is directly against the core of the game.)
Royal > P5 (Only first two Palaces and Royal additions are adequate as experiences.)

>>719574683
Royal suffers from the same difficulty issues P3P and Golden have. Vanilla is either "unbalanced" or a real challenge on the highest difficulty, Royal's changes mess with balance for no good reason and its additions are hamfisted and poor as hell desu.

>>719575285
>complaining about waifufags when discussing
Personashit
LMAO how can anyone be this lacking in self awareness Persona is nothing but a shitty glorified waifu bait dating simulator

>>719575914
>no argument
I accept your concession.

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>>719574209
P3FES has better anime cutscenes and if you made an argument about the atmosphere I wouldn't complain even if I disagree, but anyone who puts Portable above anything is just trolling.

>>719574209
The people who prefer vanilla P5 over Royal are poor thirdies who emulated P5 on the PS3 emulator at 15 fps.
You could almost say the same about Persona 4 until Golden came out on PC so thirdies could actually play it. Instead you get dumb cope like "well the denser fog of the PS2 version is more immersive!".

>>719573975
Nobody's even fucking played the PS2 P4.

>>719573975
The other minority are speedrunners.

>>719576142
Well shit i guess I just stared at a TV and imagined it

>>719576268
dementia is a cruel disease unc

>>719576142
>No one has experienced real fog thanks to the emotion engine
tragic

>>719575315
P4 has been /v/ core for ages

>>719575621
Uh oh, I uploaded the wrong heckin’ picture--guess that makes my whole point invalid! Who cares that I was clearly talking about FES, amirite?

>>719576775
It's no secret you LARP as FES fans just to try and put Reload down further than Portable, you're pathetic.

>>719577492
I too enjoy getting mad at things I made up in my head.

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All Golden does is throw in a bunch of filler and make the game easier. Now every character is viable in every fight. Now there are a bunch of tag team attacks and new follow ups activating every battle. Now Rise can randomly buff you. Now you can literally ask another player for help. Now you can do more side activities that just give you more items. Shuffle time no longer even matters. Marie gets stapled onto the end. Adachi's social link contributes nothing. The game looks worse.

>>719574209
Reload was censored, you douchebag.

>>719577927
This image in your comparison is comparing Golden PS Vita to Golden PC port.

>>719577927
I played PS2 P4 on backward compatible PS3 and I played P4golden on the 3G Playstation Vita and you make the most sense in this thread. Also you could date every girl without any consequence on PS2 version.

Also I'm a fucking sony fag and I hate myself for buying that stupid shit and never using it since.

>>719577996
It wasn't.

>>719573975
It’s not only here. But I’m one of them. I don’t really care for Persona outside of 3FES, and vanilla 4 specifically. The rereleases changed aspects that I liked about the games. And I just think 1, 2, and 5 are uninteresting.

>>719575706
Fpbp

>>719576056
Truth

Golden is better solely because it has the JP audio.
>>719578147
No it isn't.

>>719581508
Yes it is. That's why the aspect ratio and the clarity of the UI elements have changed.

>>719575402
>Mitsuru gets flanderized into a dommy mommy
That's bullshit. Aside from her victory post after combat, there's nothing like that added.

>>719581654
Eat shit retard.
https://youtu.be/ZthmURbqELM?t=943

>>719581857
The only thing he said that wasn't bullshit was they made Yukari nicer in The Answer.

I like Golden more from a gameplay and content perspective but the PS2 version does have nicer visuals and is designed to be played on a CRT (Same with Persona 3)

It's why the Demake will never even come close to looking as good despite the very basic character models

>>719573975
4chan is contrarian but also based and correct, and the rest of the internet is fucking stupid

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>>719582235
you just can't afford it

>>719582105
The Vita version of Golden does not look like the images on the right so it's not a fair comparison of Golden vs 4

>>719575706
>Golden being exciting, flashy and fun is directly against the core of the game.
I never felt about that personally, the game's arc until Rise is actually pretty grim on both, I would say it's some of the additions later on that make you feel a bit more like this since you spend time more with the party outside of the TV world, which is pretty much what has always been the core message of all Persona series.
Marie is Poochie indeed though, game could have run without her and Golden's pacing would have been complete kino.

>>719576142
Played it in college. Still have my copy and memory card.

>>719582418
It does. Now shut up.
https://youtu.be/kZWKBpOdMZE?t=1506

>>719582973
It doesn't look overly bright and blown up to 4K like your images are. That was only once the PC version came out.

>>719575706
>The reason is the thematics of overflow of droning, boring TV information erasing ability to think. Golden being exciting, flashy and fun is directly against the core of the game.
I never thought of it in those exact terms, but I always considered over-the-top "flashy and fun" additions to be goofy, unnecessary and too much of a tonal shift. It also signaled the start of Persona trying way too fucking hard to brand itself as ultra-stylish sensation, so they could sell a million quirky spinoffs for each main title. The series lost its soul with Golden, becoming gaudy, tasteless and gluttonous instead.
Thanks for pointing out the thematic angle, I've never been good at analyzing that stuff.

>>719573975
Remakes are never better than their originals.
No. Not even that one. They can add cool shit, they can make improvements, but they always alter the previously-coherent vision of the game and fuck up something important.
It's changing shit just for the sake of being able to repackage and resell it. That can only make something lesser, not more.

>>719578147
That's the PS2 version on the left, retard

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>>719583638
Play better remakes.

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>>719583638
>makes game harder, but not bullshit
>adds new enemies and weapons
>enhances music and sound effects
>fixes slowdown
>throws in official art for the credits instead of a black screen

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>>719583638
>Remakes are never better than their originals.

>>719583862
that looks bad

>>719583862
Is that Metal Max? I can't weigh in on that one, but if I had played it, I guarantee I could point out something they adjusted that fucked up something else.

>>719584134
That's not a remake, it's a sequel with the same title. And it's amazing.
>>719584054
>makes game harder, but not bullshit
>adds new enemies and weapons
>enhances music and sound effects
>fixes slowdown
I don't refute that remakes can add cool shit and make improvements. In fact, I said that very thing. The issue is changing and adding shit to something that was carefully designed a certain way is always going to mess up some aspect that's important to the intended experience that was forged in the initial development phase. Every single remake I have ever played follows this trend, even the ones that are universally praised.

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>>719574414
>Back in the day nobody in the English-speaking world had a Vita, so the main exposure to the Golden content was the anime.
This is a straight up lie. Holy shit, golden was the main game people bought the vita for.

>>719585374
>The issue is changing and adding shit to something that was carefully designed a certain way is always going to mess up some aspect that's important to the intended experience that was forged in the initial development phase.
With that said, I wish I could remake this sentence, holy shit

>>719577927
I miss when games had atmosphere like this. When was the last fucking game with fog ffs!?

How many of these P3/P4 defenders actually have a PS2 and a CRT? Right now? Are they willing to deal with the sacrifice?
>j-just emulate
That's not what the creators intended. Well?

>>719583638
So can you explain why Reload in particular is so bad? It's probably one of the most hated games on /v/, so much so that you've convinced people to buy an entirely new (old) console just to comply with /v/'s opinion.

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Dungeons suck. The majority of the levels are randomly generated but the consistent ones have some kind of annoying gimmick puzzle or a completely forgettable mini-boss.

Enemy design sucks. Not only are they visually mainly just redos of the shadows in P3 with more vibrant colors, none of them are threats either.

Combat sucks, they made all physical attack types into one type and removed elements attacks causing status effects for no reason. The status effects that exist are all essentially the same thing and are virtually useless.

Social Links suck. Party members s.links are the only ones that provide any benefit and the benifits provided are to the point where you don't wanna use a party member you haven't done the S. link for.

Additionally, too many dialogue options and S.Links are locked behind MAX RANKING one of your social stats which is a retarded ask. When you consider that fucking 6 of the total S. Links are time limited it's super egregious and you'll easily fail to max them all without a guide.

There's barely anything to do outside of s.links and combat. Now this also applies to P3, but P3's social links didn't suck and the combat wasn't boring.

Quests suck because you have to follow a guide to know how to get the materials. Yeah the NPCs will sometimes tell you which dungeon you should be looking at, but not which floors the enemies spawn at. And by sometimes i mea there's SOMETIMES mistranslated dialogue from those NPCs that will have you in the completely wrong dungeon.

Additionally, there's nothing like the rescue missing people or cats quests from P3, and when you clear a dungeon and want to revisit it afterwards when these quests become available, you have to restart them from the beginning.

And most importantly the story sucks.

>>719585687
>When was the last fucking game with fog ffs!?
The new Shinobi game shits it all over the screen in practically every leve
l, but I think you probably want good examples instead of awful ones

>>719586090
The 2d one? Eeeh not sure I'd count that.

>>719585380
The Vita sold less than the Wii U and most of its sales were in Japan. For like the five people that actually bought one it was a P4G machine, but the number of people who watched the Golden anime in the US was vastly more than the number of people who played the game before the PC port.

>>719585687
>When was the last fucking game with fog ffs!?
Go play Breath of the Wild or Tears of the Kingdom. They always have fog.

>>719585973
It's not that it's "so bad", it's just worse, unnecessary, another overly expensive cash grab in an era where developers would rather repackage shit instead of make new shit.
But subjectively, the visuals look a lot worse, but they're also less thematically appropriate. The balance and characterization is altered by having your party be controllable. There was some censorship, and they did their barest, laziest minimum by not adapting anything from P3P, and even had the gall to sell The Answer separately.
And speaking personally, it's just soulless and overproduced as fuck.

>>719585795
>Are they willing to deal with the sacrifice?
Oh no, the sacrifice of... playing the better version of a game on the hardware and display it was intended for. What a sacrifice. How will I ever live.

>>719586080
Okay, but you're talking about P3 vs P4. OP was talking about P4 vs P4 Golden.

>>719585795
>How many of these P3/P4 defenders actually have a PS2 and a CRT? Right now?
I do, and despite your weak-as-fuck gotcha I'd emulate if I didn't

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>>719573975
I prefer Golden because it has Marie.

>>719575706
>(The reason is lack of edge and the drastic change in MC's characterization.)
did they tone down all his asshole obviously wrong social link responses? can you not tell the kid she caused their divorce anymore?

>>719573975
The remake will fix it by making persona threads even worse.

>>719573975
because 4chan is the only place on the internet that even has some people with actual taste. not that there's an abundance, but there are at least some people who aren't completely retarded here.

>>719585973
>>719586575
Also the music is also worse and >>719575402 made more in-depth points than me anyway, I gave up on it pretty early

The fog in golden isn't as good but chies va and the extra events/songs make up for it. Just play golden with the fog restoration mod and its better than the og. The og's opening song is better too though

>>719585973
>doesn't fix the fundamental flaws with Tartarus
>adds some of the least interesting extra interactions with the main cast
>stylized the game to be more like P5 when P3 already had its own identity
>makes bizarre changes like rewriting SEES members at some points, humorously resulting in The Answer being worse
>gives everyone spammable nuke attacks making combat an absolute joke
>a lot of animated cutscenes are now in engine and are just really awkward and lack the punch of the originals
Reload just has no reason to exist. It's not a definitive versions of Persona 3, it's another sidestep like Portable.

>>719585973
>>719587315
I think the biggest problem with reload is they didn't fix the answer at ALL and still had the balls to charge you $35 for it again. like come on man, jesus christ

>>719587308
>chies va
It's like nails on a chalkboard though. I know people say the original sounds "old" but I never got that impression, and the newer one just sounds awful

>>719587308
But she has the same VA in both versions.

>>719587308
Chie in Golden is awful. Erin didn't get good at voicing her until after Arena.

>>719587308
Chie's golden voice is absolute dogshit what are you on?

>>719587482
She only sounds annoying near the beginning of the game and even then its more character accurate than the og. The original sounds more refined/older than yukiko its awful. The fact that people defend it proves to me that people that prefer the og are partially blinded by it being the way they played it originally. Also her voice being annoying makes the parts where shes sweet 10x cuter

Do people really struggle with the original Persona 3 just because you can’t directly control your party? I played FES and never had a problem with the combat The game gives you plenty of tactics to steer your teammates, enough to handle any situation. Meanwhile Reload doesn’t even have those same depth of strategic control. The AI is just plain retarded that you never ever want them to act on their own.

>>719587482
I always thought both were dogshit, worse than everybody else.

>>719587686
>>719587628
If you think her og voice is better you are delusional

>>719587714
Yes, the average JRPG player is a complete retard.
To be fair at least 40% of the complaints about lack of party control come from people that never even played it.

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>>719587480
>didn't fix the answer at ALL
They fixed literally everything people complained about.
>No compendium
Added a compendium for Aigis, and also let you import your compendium from the main game so you have 2 now.
>Automatic hard mode
You can select any difficulty.
>Nothing to do between dungeon crawling
Added hang-outs with the party between all major doors.
>It's the same as The Journey
Added a new equipment rng system for the monad doors.
>Yukari is a bitch!
Toned down her bitchiness, for better or worse (I liked her being a bitch in the original)

I don't know why you think you can get away with spreading lies, but surely you have a better use for your time?

>>719587787
I literally didn't say that.

>>719574209
>There are "people" here who legitimately think PS2 Persona 3 is better than Reload

LMAO. Tactics is the only way to play Persona 3 FES.

Reload is shit. They were throwing away the director's intent in persona 3 which was a focus on "other people".

>>719575706
Wait so what exactly did Persona 4 Golden add that changed the tone of the orginal Persona 4?

>>719587875
>They fixed literally everything people complained about.
>dungeon crawling is still shit
>difficulty means fuck all because they left theurgies
>toning down Yukari and rewriting Mitsuru ruined their entire reason for fighting
>shadows are still recycled
>Erebus is still trash
Oh, but now the music is even worse. Yippee.

>>719587787
Right back at you, moron.

>>719587865
I only played p3p and I think theres enough waiting in the game as is. If I had to wait for all my party members to do their moves too I feel like it would be boring as shit

Yeah, these arguments are dogshit. I'm going back to playing Reload.

>>719588039
>>dungeon crawling is still shit
It's not much different from The Journey, so your problem is you don't like Persona 3 at all.
>>difficulty means fuck all because they left theurgies
Just don't use them.
>>toning down Yukari and rewriting Mitsuru ruined their entire reason for fighting
Mitsuru wasn't touched at all, Yukari was toned down though you're right about that.
>>shadows are still recycled
Yeah it's an expansion from the main game, not a new game entirely. Also P4 recycles the same enemies.
>Oh, but now the music is even worse.
Better

basically you hate persona 3 and you're having a tantrum.

>>719588073
There's less waiting involved with AI control since it happens automatically.

>>719587902
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0-eoBLkctU&ab_channel=Shinobu
her voice is CUTE
>>719588126
Its probably better over all but ive seen how they made yukari into a sniffling little hoe

>>719587687
The new VA is actually one of the reasons I stopped playing Golden early in the game, if it gets better later that's pretty cool I guess
Either way, if I play it again I'm using Japanese voices

>>719588004
Even more unfunny skit scenes which were already too numerous.

>>719588126
>I'm going back to playing Reload.

You're disgracing the director of Persona 3. His intent from the start was to force Tactics because YOU DON'T CONTROL OTHER PEOPLE

>>719575250
As somebody who likes Marie, this was actually to her detriment as her scenes where she is present do feel like Poochie moments.

>>719588193
Really? I feel like them doing shit you wouldn't want them to do would slow the game down more then just them pressing the buttons faster

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ITT guy who doesn't know anything about Reload tells everyone why it's bad.

>>719588248
you can literally put the party on auto and control them with tactics in Reload so I don't know why you're having a meltdown.

I think 4A is my personal favorite mainline but people look at me like a heratic. Everything people hated like 'muh power of friendship' I didn't mind it. I will admit 3 and SJ are the more "balanced", more tonally coherent games but fuck 4A is an actual blast.

>>719588418
>you can literally put the party on auto

That's not the same thing. You have to be FORCED to use Tactics. That's the only way to play.

https://megatengaku.wordpress.com/readings/interviews/persona-3-official-design-works-interview/

Read this interview you little shit. Anyone who reads this interview will understand the brilliance of Persona 3 FES.

>>719588329
I know it's ugly.

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>>719587875
oh I thought they didn't add an aigis compendy, my bad

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3R discussion is always so autistic but that finally epilogue scene was Aigis was pretty fucking kino. I think both versions are great but I really like 3R more cinematic takes on scenes. Probably my favorite ending out of the 3 iterations (I don't really count portable since it's mostly the same). the only con is the goofy fucking run

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>>719588148
>It's not much different from The Journey
You said they fixed everything. Don't try to handwave it like that. You know everyone criticized Tartarus and reverse Tartarus even back then.
>Mitsuru wasn't rewritten
She no longer sides because she wants to support Yukari's beliefs. It's because of a promise she also made to the MC.
>it's an expansion from the main game
And this is a remake. That's no excuse. They aren't even new reskins.
>P4 recycles the same enemies
And that's a valid ciriticm of P4.
>you hate persona 3
It's that a game I mostly enjoyed with significant flaws Reload didn't fix because it was in some stupid middle ground.

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>>719588581
I got my Orpheus, Messiah, Thanatos and Orpheus Telos from the main game and used them to defeat shadow MC.

>>719588567
>i can't read

>>719588418
>you can literally put the party on auto and control them with tactics in Reload
And their AI sucks because it's an afterthought instead of the way the game was designed

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>>719588329
more like
>itt people provide reasons why the game is bad and one guy goes nuh uh
bet he did the same for p3p

>>719588468
I would have played fes but I heard the mc gets rezed or some shit which is gay

>>719588617
>You said they fixed everything.
They did, everything that people had a problem with.
>Don't try to handwave it like that. You know everyone criticized Tartarus and reverse Tartarus even back then.
That was fixed in the main game, those changes being carried over to The Answer DLC.
>She no longer sides because she wants to support Yukari's beliefs. It's because of a promise she also made to the MC.
She has the same lines as in the original regarding Yukari.
>It's that a game I mostly enjoyed with significant flaws Reload didn't fix
You're a lying faggot and nobody should ever trust a word of venom from your dribbling mouth.

>>719588309
>them doing shit you wouldn't want them to do would slow the game down

Like what exactly? The only downside of relying on AI is that you can’t order them to use items directly. They’ll only use basic items, never rare stuff like Soma.

>>719588567
HASHINO: Did you really think the other characters were just one-dimensional? Of course they have complicated minds and hearts, just like us. We just couldn’t make that a part of the gameplay because messing with and controlling other peoples’ personae would have just been…

…WRONG?

HASHINO: Yes! It would have been wrong, for this game. There are a lot of RPGs out there where you can control every aspect of your party members, including what kind of underwear they are wearing… but because we wanted the player to relate to the Hero more than any other character in “Persona 3”, we wanted the other characters to feel like “other people”.

SOEJIMA: It was important to make that distinction. It helped to emphasize the concept of Social Links, and it also allowed us to show off the improved AI. It would have been extra cool if the party members had been completely free of player control, but we knew that would be pushing it a bit too far, so we gave the player control over their equipment at least.

HASHINO: It’s true that we got some feedback stating that the party system was “too difficult” to control effectively, but I’ll honestly say that I don’t regret doing what we did with it. I’m glad we stuck to our guns on that one.

THIS TO INFINITY.

HASHINO WANTED TACTICS TO BE FORCED AND THAT'S WHAT YOU GET. HE DIDN'T WANT RELOAD

>>719588812
i'm not going to spoil it for you, but FES is a very good game.

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>>719588801
More like you're a petulant crybaby who is addicted to outrage culture and mindless criticism is the only power you have over the world. You're incapable of coming to grips with reality and recognizing the good changes because that would feel like a defeat to you. You have no sense of balance, you're a downward spiral in human form.

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>>719574209
FES is better than Reload though. I'd have been fine with Reload if The Answer wasn't sold as a separate $35 DLC ontop of the base game which is $70, that shit is just predatory, especially when The Answer is an entire chunk of the story that you're missing without this retarded Expansion Pass.
>inb4 hurr the answer is shit though
Doesn't matter, it's still part of the story, and it's still predatory on behalf of Atlus. If they really gave a fuck about Persona 3, they would've had reload be a mishmash of elements from FES and Portable to appease all fans.
>The Answer for FESfags
>FeMC for Portablefags
>Ability to swap between traditional 3d environments for cutscenes or P3P's VN-styled cutscenes
etc. etc.

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>>719588894
Hashino isn't god, he can have bad ideas. Not being able to control your party was a pretty shit idea.
If you really like it so much, turn on tactics in Reload instead of screaming at everyone else to enjoy the same things you do.
Normal people don't like watching 6 other entities take their turns before you can have one.

>>719573975
'cause we actually played Persona before it was normalfaggotry

>>719588219
why is she speaking english

Imagine defending Reload after The Answer was made paid DLC in a season pass that offered nothing but costumes.

>>719588468
The characters acting independently of you really was a huge part of the experience. But I think you're right that it needs to be forced to have impact. When I played 4 and P3P I just turned manual control on, it was far too useful not to

>>719589017
>Hashino isn't god, he can have bad ideas

Fuck You. That's all I have to say. The director matters the most out of the entire team.

I'm sure modern ATLUS will side with you since Hashino is on his way out, but Hashino won't and I won't either.

Just fuck you.

>>719588894
yeah and changing that was an improvement, I don't care what the intention was if it was bad.

>>719573975
no one prefer ps2 version
ps2 version is shit
everyone played 2012 p4g on vita

>>719588894
I’ve heard people say this before but I feel like my party members doing retarded shit and costing me fights would make me view them more like bots than people with motivations. Maybe the AI is smart and shit and I just got to try it out, but I feel like shit like showtime attacks and party members having their own attacks like in p4g does more for me in that department

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>>719589132
>Fuck You. That's all I have to say
You'll have a lot more to say because you're entirely self-absorbed and full of impotent anger.
Likely due to a spectrum disorder, gunna go out on a limb and say Asperger's. Your first impression is the world to you and you're not capable of adjusting if it means being different to your first experience.

For a guy who plays thoughtful games like these that deal with human reactions and growth, you don't demonstrate a single lesson learned.

>>719589017
>Hashino isn't god, he can have bad ideas. Not being able to control your party was a pretty shit idea.
NTA, but you simply don't understand what you're talking about. You think you're getting the definitive P3 experience, but you're not.

>>719589129
>But I think you're right that it needs to be forced to have impact

Yeah it does. Modern ATLUS is shit and is too comfy in their comfort zone. Only the real FES fans understand.

ATLUS simply won't make a game as perfect as Persona 3 FES again.

>>719589263
>Aigis is supposedly a highly intelligent battle droid
>Will just skip her turns instead of buff, only buffs during full moon bosses or The Reaper, never against floor bosses.
>Yukari will only use full party heals when EVERYONE is below 50% when Tactics set to support, will just use single target spells and let people die otherwise.
>Junpei will see someone cast Tetrakarn for the 6th time and summon his Persona to physically attack it
The AI was honest to god terrible.
If you suddenly stop thinking of them as individual characters because the player can select more intelligent options for them, that's a you problem.

>>719589264
If you honestly care about my opinion on the based game that is Persona 3 FES, go here: https://www.resetera.com/threads/why-persona-3-fes-is-still-the-single-greatest-persona-game.28593/

i won't repost it again

>>719589264
>Your first impression is the world to you and you're not capable of adjusting if it means being different to your first experience.
"First impression" means nothing, "director's intention" means everything. Reload fucks up a fundamental part of the P3's vision, as all remakes do.

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>>719589312
>. You think you're getting the definitive P3 experience, but you're not.
I played Persona 3 FES several times, I enjoyed Reload far more. I'm able to praise and condemn both of them for different reasons.
You are a blind fanboy of the original.
You're barely even human.

how the fuck do you go back to a normal life after using personas and shit

>>719574209
Idk man I just find the PS2 aesthetic for Persona 3 to be incredibly charming and unique.
Reload doesn't look bad but it's much less refined than Persona 5 which I think looks brilliant most of the time.

Almost like in development they said
>yeah they love this general artstyle, we learned that from 5, so fill in the lines and hurry the fuck up please
Parts of Reload do look really good though but overall I feel like something is lost for me. Neither is inherently superior to the other. Different aesthetics and tones click with different people.

>>719589528
Aren't there like a million fanfictions that try to cover this premise and they all suck?

>>719589319
I still think P4 was great, it didn't have the same themes as P3 and didn't need to use the same methods, although I do think the characters would have been stronger if they'd kept the "no party control" thing.
But still, yeah, Atlus is heavily corporatlized now and so is Persona. There's no real vision behind it anymore, just checking boxes to create a brand so they can release endless versions and spinoffs.

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>>719589528
Considering Personas are heavily metaphorical manifestations of a person's inner psyche, I imagine they have a far better grip on themselves and their relation to the world than most people.
I don't think Persona users are shallow enough to just want to go back to risking their lives again to feel fulfilled after becoming very goal-oriented, well rounded people.

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>>719588826
>They did, everything that people had a problem with.
>people still complain about Tartarus, 200+ floors of nothing except now the floors have actual features on the walls (no cool floor introduction on the Tartarus floor screen anymore, by the way)
>She has the same lines as in the original regarding Yukari.
I'll take your bait. Here.

>>719574209
faggot take

>>719589452
based

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>>719589842
>People still complain they have to play the videogame part of the game when they actually wanted a visual novel
I don't think anyone respects those sorts of opinions.

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Why do retards in this thread desperately want AI teammates that dick around and get themselves and (You) killed because of a poorly programmed tactics system that nobody liked? Like if you want to just not play the game, go play an RPG that has an auto-battle function, it's basically the same thing anyway since you weren't playing the game to begin with.

>>719575859
thats the ONLY thing though thats better in the og. though. it is pretty fucking stupid that they TRIPLED the money/exp you get from battle on Merciless from og -> royal

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>>719589452
>i won't repost it again
You will because you desperately seek validation and approval instead of becoming comfortable with your own opinion. You measure yourself based on how much support you have from others.

>>719589909
>that nobody liked

you just weren't there when Persona 3 FES was. I don't think you can download it on ps3 anymore, so I don't know what to tell you.

The fans are telling you they loved the tactics system, you're ignoring them just so you can state nobody liked it.

You just don't understand Persona 3 FES.

>>719589450
Maybe it could have been cool if their SL dictated your control, like at 0 they outright ignore your tactics, at round 5 you have some direct control over them at certain times and at 10 you control them completely, so it’s like your goals are completely aligned at that point

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>>719589897
How about you address the rest of the post instead of opting for the easy joke? You're quite good at avoiding any actual discussion.

>>719590019
I did play FES, and after getting shitstomped by the first few bosses because of this retarded system, I used a cheat to give me full party control and the game felt infinitely better since y'know, it let me play the fucking game. Who'd have thought right?

>>719589523
>I played Persona 3 FES several times, I enjoyed Reload far more.
So you completely failed to understand or appreciate it, and think it can be replaced by the shiny new remake that ruins it in multiple ways.
>You are a blind fanboy of the original.
A fan? Yes. Blind? No. I can just differentiate between a quality game and its superficial, inferior rehash.
>You're barely even human.
Ditto. Being human requires the ability to understand, reflect, and form thoughtful judgments. You clearly cannot do that, so you desperately lash out at those who can.

>>719589523
>calling people fanboys when you're unironically having a meltdown over people not liking Reload
Anon...do....do you asperger's yourself?

It's really this simple:
P3R is P3 for people who liked P5
P3P is P3 for people who liked P4
P3FES is P3 for people who liked P3

>>719590143
>I did play FES, and after getting shitstomped by the first few bosses because of this retarded system

You aren't a thinker or a philosopher. Persona 3 is a deep game made for people who think. You can't think, and therefore got filtered.

Sorry, but Persona 3 is the thinking man's game, and you got filtered. The MC looks emo for a reason, get over it.

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>>719573975
The majority of people who played Golden never touched the original.

>>719574209
Good bait

>>719590280
>P3R is P3 for people who liked P5
I liked P5. I didn't like Reload.

>>719590143
>instead of learning to use the system and enjoying the way it complemented and improved the game's narrative, I gave up early and decided it was bad
And the people who stuck with it for the whole game and learned how it works, who are saying it's not bad... obviously they just don't know what they're talking about right?
But you, with your limited experience, do.

>>719590171
People understand it, it’s just not fun. I’m a big component for things other than fun being important in a game, I’m the furthest thing from a Nintendo fan “if it’s not fun why bother” retard, but there needs to be a middle ground. Not being able to control 3/4ths of my fight in an 80 hour rpg sounds awful and not in a good way like something like darkest dungeon.
>>719590030
Something like this would make the gameplay better and make the directors intention better. It’s a decent idea just with bad execution

>>719574209
Fes is better than Reload. However there are genuinely retarded people who thinks Portable is better than Reload

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>>719590318
>You aren't a thinker or a philosopher.
Yeah no shit, I'm just a guy who wanted to play a video game.
>Persona 3 is a deep game made for people who think. You can't think, and therefore got filtered.
You know what you sound like? You sound like those tards on youtube who make 10 hour video essays about their favorite game that get less than a hundred views, only to turn around and piss yourself in rage when people don't give a fuck about what kind of shit the developer took on the day he came up with the idea for the game. Some of us want to play a video game, not watch a video game play itself. You can claim I was "filtered" all you like but at the end of the day, you're just a retard having a meltdown over what I may dare say is a "movie game", and I don't care about your opinion.

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I wanted to play P4 on PS2 for my first time through, but I know the lack of manual skill inheritance is going to drive me insane

p4 on a crt tv in a basement not pestered by work or internet will never be topped

>>719589909
Because I like it when devs actually try to do something different and interesting for a reason instead of rehashing the same crap over and over just because it's "expected" and retards like you will whine if they don't. I can play dozens of JRPGs where I have full control over the party that have much better gameplay systems than any Persona game. P3 tried to push the idea throughout the entire game that you are playing one guy who has to navigate the world and situation around you, and having to account for party members who think for themselves is part of that. Yeah if you put it in a vacuum you could say it's "worse" but it helps make the game more interesting and unique instead of Generic JRPG #63014 Emo Edition.
Persona without AI tactics is literally the worst major Atlus RPG series from a pure gameplay standpoint. It's better if they make it interesting. They should've refined and expanded on it from P4 onward instead of giving up and bending the knee to room temperature casuals.

>>719590490
>Not being able to control 3/4ths of my fight in an 80 hour rpg sounds awful and not in a good way like something like darkest dungeon.
It was fine though. It was interesting. It was a challenge. With a little thought you could get everything you needed out of your party members. It was much less frustrating for me than Darkest Dungeon's constant misses and RNG mental breakdowns.

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>P4 thread
>becomes about P3
I know this will probably piss off fans of the original and purists, but they really should have rewritten the social links for Reload. They're a whole lot of fucking nothing and I don't mean like some of the confidants in P5. I mean literally nothing happens in a lot of them. The moments are so short I don't buy that the MC is getting close to most of these people at all.

>>719590662
>>719590675
You can create a challenge in an RPG without taking away 75% of the control from the player. Losing a fight because my retarded bot teammates refused to heal or use buffs despite setting them to the tactic where they're supposed to do that is the same kinda of frustration you get when you're trying to play L4D2 on expert with bots. It's not fun, and it's not a "challenge", it's just poor design.

>>719590675
Darkest dungeon is kinography though. Its biggest flaw is how when you finish a level in the darkest dungeon it makes all 4 of them unable to enter again. Remove that shit and it’s basically a perfect game

>>719590567
Let me explain it to you

In the old days, we cared about Director's intent, and still do. There are those who don't care, that want to hurt the game just so it can "include" them in the game's target audience. Persona 4 fans don't like being robbed of Persona 3 experience just because they don't understand Persona 3. Because we understand the whole game of Persona 3 FES. I won't spoil persona 3, but everything from not having a default name to latch onto at the start of the game. People argue about what Persona 3's MC is, but in FES, we say that depends on you. You're the main character. It's what makes the ending hit home.

>>719590819
>You can create a challenge in an RPG without taking away 75% of the control from the player.
Sure but then why should I play Persona when I can play dozens of better JRPGs, many of which were developed by Atlus themselves. What's the hook that I should care about?

>>719590676
Honestly I didn’t remember a lot of p3s social links. P5s have the problem of involving other characters too much in them. I’m playing p4g for the first time now and it generally has the strongest SLs out of the 3 imo. Sun and temperance in p3 are still peak social links though

>>719590969
>What's the hook that I should care about?
the different setting, characters, and story? would you not play soul hackers just because you played nocturne?

>>719590923
>Let me explain it to you
No, let ME explain it to you
Persona 3, much like 4, 5, and every other JRPG on the market, is a video game. Video games are designed to be played, not watched. So when you give me a JRPG where I can't play the game all I can do is sit there and think
>"Wow I'm fucking bored."
and
>"Oh great, my teammate refused to use Mediarahan for the 3rd turn in a row, guess I'll die."

>>719591084
>Video games are designed to be played, not watched

Who are you marketing to? "The general JRPG audience?"

you really didn't think this out. is this the hill you want to die on?

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>>719591141
The only one not thinking is you. The fact that you are shitting yourself in rage because people dare to want to control their party members in an RPG so they don't flail around like retards and die is both hilarious and pitiful on your behalf. I'm not gonna bother continuing to respond to your stupid ass, but I will pray that whatever mentally illness is affecting you can get treated so you can understand that at the end of the day, people like me just want to play a video game.

>>719591235
>people like me just want to play a video game
why are you playing jrpgs then lmao
go read a book cuck

>>719591051
Shitty example because Soul Hackers and Nocturne have substantially different game play mechanics.
>>719591084
Do you have the same reaction when you're doing nothing during the enemy's turn? If not then you're a hypocrite. If so then P4 and P5 are not improvements because you can't do anything during the enemy's turn.
>"Oh great, my teammate refused to use Mediarahan for the 3rd turn in a row, guess I'll die."
Then use Mediarahan yourself and build your party accordingly.

>>719591235
>The only one not thinking is you

lmao. i have never met someone so filtered by persona 3 FES before. go ahead and leave the thread.

The fact is Persona 3 FES was marketed to fans of Shin Megami Tensei, which is why FES is called "Shin Megami Tensei: Persona 3 FES".

It wasn't marketed to you, but to a more hardcore audience than the "standard JRPG audience".

You got filtered because at the end of the day, Persona 3 FES is for the hardcore rpg audience and not the general one.

Now I hope you understand your problem.

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>>719591387
>The fact is Persona 3 FES was marketed to fans of Shin Megami Tensei
NTA, but that's only in the West. It's like Super Mario World 2: Yoshi's Island.

>blocks your path

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Is there a JRPG community that isn't completely retarded and stuck having wars with each other? I've played a couple of them and it sucks because nobody will talk about the niche one and the popular series gets absolutely riddled with posers, shitposters, and actual fucking crazy people. Is there this much autism in Tales/Trails/Atlier? like damn

>>719591387
nta but P4 also had the SMT name. It didn't get dropped from Persona until the spinoffs.

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Do you think Dojima would mind if Yu became a nudist and went naked in front of Nanako?

>>719589450
That's a skill issue on your part. I've never had an issue with the AI doing what I want it to.

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>>719590171
I understand, appreciate and even love the message and intention of Persona 3. I am amazed at the thoughtfulness of its creators and how much effort was put into the game into fulfilling its message, no part of the game feels disjointed from the original intent. It's no shallow product at all.

But it's a videogame. If it's all preach and no entertainment, that's just a poorly relayed message. Telling a person they should be happy with putting the controller down for several minutes every single battle, hundreds of battles in succession, is just self-absorbed egotism in practice. People want a GAME they can play, otherwise it's like going to church listening to a monotone priest drone on for an hour until your eyes fall shut.

Taking away party control was a bad move, it unbalanced the game's otherwise triple split of story/social life/combat. Hashino and the others learned from that mistake and moved past it. You can't accept that because the "intent" is more important to you than the execution.
>>719590280
It's really not that simple and trying to claim it is, is the problem with you. You're completely adverse to logical discussion and would rather insult someone than respect their opinions. That's childish and demonstrates you learned nothing from Persona 3, or any game with a theme or message to begin with.

>>719591568
>NTA, but that's only in the West

Still the director's vision. As far as I know, Hashino hasn't commented on his views of Persona 3 FES's localization but -as far as i know- including Shin Megami Tensei is just trying to say "here's a hardcore game".

It's not what Persona is today. The casuals took Persona 3 from us, all we have to stand our ground is Shin Megami Tensei and Persona 3 FES.

I don't know what ATLUS will do when Hashino finally leaves.

>>719574209
TRVTH NVKE.
Contrarians are in shambles.

>>719591589
>Is there this much autism in Tales/Trails/Atlier?
I'd argue it's worse with those
>Tales nosedived in quality thanks to Scamco and is spread all over, now getting nothing but ports
>Trails has localization shit
>Atelier is different every other 3 games

>>719573975
P4G is like P4 with some extras and a new character not that big of a change. Deload changed all the VA's with diversity hires, hard pass.

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>>719590676
The social links being short and punchy is part of what makes them so much better than P4 and P5's. They're concise, they get to the POINT faster. They're not there to make YOU feel like a teenager in highschool, they're there to relay a message that:
>Relates to the tarot card
>Results in death+rebirth
>Gets the player thinking about loss and enjoyment of life
There's several great ideas to this, and while P4 to some degree kept true to its own message (every social link winding up exactly where it started, but the card holder having a different perspective and coming to grips with the *truth*), they weren't as concise as P3's. They became too wordy and meandering.

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>>719591708
>I've never had an issue with the AI doing what I want it to.
No one does because everyone ignores them and just wins the battle solo regardless of what their party members do.
Reload's Shift mechanic letting party members toss their turn to someone else did more for Hashino's intent than the original P3 ever did.

>>719591676
>nta but P4 also had the SMT name

i forgot this. i choose to be ignorant of persona 4 and its fanbase, because, it's a bunch of shit. do i want to know why they decided to make everyone thirst for the transfer student at the very start of the game?

Tactics just wouldn't work in a game because it seems like the characters are just begging to be ordered what to do, just like Persona 3 RELOAD's Yukari says.

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>>719591892
>They're concise, they get to the POINT faster.
Except they DON'T.
Kenji is 9 ranks of him saying he's going to do something. The same goes for track guy whose name I forget. The old couple has a sense of urgency early on, but then they literally stop talking about it until the very, very end where it's okay now.

I'm not asking for more words, just more actual interactions with the characters. Bebe splitting up a conversation about his uncle into 3 separate meetings is just padding.

>>719591892
P3 reload looks pretty good but a lot of the time it looks like Altus hire this man

>>719591892
>They're concise, they get to the POINT faster
The fat kid's social link was so shit, they tried shoving in a reversal at the end and it doesn't work
The alligator guy, the monk, and aigis are the only good social links

>>719592176
>Kenji is 9 ranks of him saying he's going to do something.
Instead of actually doing it, yeah. He's The Magician. The man of Potential. He's assembled all his tools but he has to actually fucking do it to make any magic happen. Kenji's problem is he's afraid of failure, and failure is precisely what he gets, but in the upright position he moves past it and continues on because rejection isn't as big a deal as he was making it out to be.
>The old couple has a sense of urgency early on, but then they literally stop talking about it until the very, very end where it's okay now.
The Hierophant, yeah. They're old, learned and urgency is panic, and that's for the youth. They quietly contact the school and go about their lives while focusing on what's in front of them instead of clinging to the meaning behind the persimmon tree.
>I'm not asking for more words, just more actual interactions with the characters
That would require more words, in an already very long game.
That's why Persona 5's pacing is so horrible. Your wish came true in a future game and it dragged everything down.

>>719591892
>The social links being short and punchy is part of what makes them so much better than P4 and P5's.
NTA, but yeah its only interesting part of the game outside of the story because the combat is pretty boring especially in the beginning.

>>719592462
>They're old, learned and urgency is panic, and that's for the youth
Is that why they explicitly panic for 4 ranks and have it happen again later? You are grasping at straws.

>>719592560
Exaggerating doesn't support your point, it destroys it.

>>719592462
Humor me. Make one of these up for Fortune. It's the one I remember the least.

>>719574414
I had a PSTV just so I could play Golden.

>>719592604
>Exaggerating doesn't support your point, it destroys it.
>exaggerating
Go look up the social link.
Besides, that sums up your original post.

>>719585380
Wow all 4 people who bought the VITA give yourself a round of applause!
>I have the pstv for 30 bucks

>>719575859
>Royal's changes mess with balance
Persona games are fucking pathetically easy
They are not something you play for challenging RPG combat

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>>719591892
>The social links being short and punchy is part of what makes them so much better than P4 and P5's
5's being shit doesn't make 3's good
5's are shit because they focus too much on unrelated shit
3's are shit because they're just poorly written

>>719588248
>His intent from the start was to force Tactics because YOU DON'T CONTROL OTHER PEOPLE
The gameplay is piss easy either way who cares

I can't tell anymore if the Tactics posters are trolling or have severe autism that they can't understand why it's a loathed mechanic.

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>>719592629
I think that's the most forgettable one too because although I like his character design I didn't really like the s.link but here I go.

Keisuke's flipflopping between being a doctor and an artist. One's what he wants to do and enjoy, the other is what fulfils him. He's a great artist but spends his whole social link impulsively doing doctor shit. He comes from a family of doctors as far as I remember and he thinks that is a bit of a shackle that means he MUST become one.

The truth being either path in life would be good for him, but he's not the kind of person that can just stand by and focus on himself while he finds people suffering around him.

The whole social link points out the answers to your most difficult questions are usually all around you.

>>719592629
Was Fortune the French guy?

>>719574414
You can't be older than early 20s
No one can be this stupid

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>>719592817
>3's are shit because they're just poorly written
That's on you. They are very well written, you just don't find them dramatic enough.
I won't respect your opinion because you fail to appreciate brevity.

>>719591980
No? In FES your party is super important. You can't typically solo things.

The truth is most social links/confidants in all the games suck ass for two reasons. First, they're too formulaic with 10 cutscene ranks each. Second, social links for party members can't do too much because they're too lazy to rewrite the main story based on how far you are in their social links. Third, because of those two reasons, they struggle at writing 20 or so separate character stories that are all unique and compelling each game. And tangential to this, each social link relies on the player understanding the occult meanings of each arcana to get what the story is trying to do.

>>719577927
>ITS NOT BLURRY IM LOSING MY MIND PLS GIVE ME MY BLUR

Fucking kids who werent even alive during PS2 era clamoring on about "superior Ps2 """vibes""" and "Atmosphere".
There's so many of these fuckers on the internet now.
Kill em all

>>719593203
>No? In FES your party is super important.
As decoys, sure. Early on.

>>719592968
I understand completely why people didn't like it, my argument is it made P3 more unique and interesting, and they should've improved on it for later games instead of ditching it to make P4 and P5 more generic and sterile.

>>719593224
>ignores the rest of the post to vomit a strawman
Yup. We should kill people like you.

>>719587714
A large portion of Persona "fans" don't really like RPGs all that much and only play piss easy things like Persona, Final Fantasy, Dragon Quest etc

So P3FES requiring even a LITTLE planning around fights is too much for them.

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>>719587714
If I had to guess, it's either because the average gamer is a fucking retard (read: avg. 100 IQ), or because they didn't even manage to beat the first full moon boss and unlock the knock down tactic, which fixes literally all the problems they would possibly have with the ai, unless they were playing on hard and the ai was fucking with them due to how buffs works, which would, then, be understandable, but that is not so much a problem with the ai as it is a problem with how buffs works.

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>>719593213
>each social link relies on the player understanding the occult meanings of each arcana to get what the story is trying to do.
I think they did pretty well with making each social link relatable even to the layman, but these games were made by and for people who like occult stuff. That's why the tarot card symbolism is so prominent, to interest people who liked that sort of thing.

They did not anticipate getting into the mainstream at all, especially in the west. Which was why Persona 4 was heavily steeped in japanese mythology and meaning only japanese people would get the significance of.
Then they dotted it with little self-references like the detective girl having the persona Sukuna Hikona (a partnered demon to a detective from the future in Raidou)

>>719593321
I'm not addressing just that post kike
Addressing the multitude of people who fawn over MUH PS2 VISUALS.

You're all faggots

>>719593256
Gee buddy if you didn't play it you could have said so from the start.

>>719593854
You rely on bad AI and call it strategy, you don't get to act cavalier.
Fuse better, don't expect your party to win for you, especially in FES.

I don't know why stupid faggots keep trying to talk about games they've never played.

>>719593213
>The truth is most social links/confidants in all the games suck ass for two reasons.
>Ok, why do they suck?
>Because I said so okay

>>719593348
>most people only play the most popular titles
woooow

>>719594002
Yeah like the anti-Reload fakes who lie about FES like nobody ever played it to put it above Reload. Then they'll bash Reload for things that FES did much worse like the dungeon crawling.

>>719593203
You can handle the second-to-last (the 5th?) on your own if you have hama and agi, because that's what literally everyone is weak to. Bonus point if you fused surt and got mahamaon from throne.

I don't think I'll get a reply to this because it's hidden by persona autism spam but how is Raidou Remastered? Is it an actual improvement or is there some setbacks? Is there some autistic shit where people are STILL on "PS2 IS BETTER PS2 IS BETTER"

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>>719595468
Really good. It's an improvement in almost every single way including the combat system which is vastly improved upon from 2.
There's some visual downgrades in terms of atmosphere like always, and you're always going to find a sperg who thinks the original is better, but if you're even mildly interested in Raidou, I highly encourage trying this out.

>>719595468
Gameplay wise it is legitimately an improvement, PS2 Raidou was hilariously bad in the actual gameplay department.

>>719596194
>atmosphere
oh WHAT NOW

>>719596241
There's a lot of cutscenes that were silent (the original game had no voice acting) that added unnecessary dialogue to and I think the original was a bit darker, the Remastered is far more colorful all around but I prefer it this way.
There's a lot going on about the "uncertainty of the future" as a theme in Raidou and the Remastered makes things look far more optimistic in terms of color choice.

>>719594091
Yes.
Surface level fake fans

>>719595468
Pretty shit. The story was changed for the worse and it's not even better than Raidou 2. Stuff like jumping is pointless, the new gun controls are dumb, and demon control is on the level of the original so it's still annoying.

Don't listen to this troll
>>719596693
The story is literally the exact same and it's way better than Raidou 2's gameplay.

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>>719587628
>>719587686
I strongly disagree. Her Golden voice is top notch and is what sold me on her.

>>719597125
Then you're deaf.

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>>719596871
They changed so many details that an entire subplot is now rendered nonsensical and ruined the final battle with a needless exposition dump. Also removed all the mystique from the main antagonist who isn't even properly dealt with now.
There is absolutely no excuse for the remake to have less agency over demons than 2 did.

Chie's Golden voice depends on how much animu dubs you've been exposed to. She's far from the worst "emotional girl turns into a shrieking harpy" voice in English dubs. You just get used to it after a while, and Chie's most emotional moments were front-loaded at the start of the game when the VA probably was just starting on the lines and hadn't gotten a handle on the character yet because dub voice direction is godawful. She's better in subsequent games and the anime.
Chie's original voice doesn't have the same problems, but it's because her delivery is flatter and more toned down as a whole. This means she isn't as good in moments with positive emotions, like her social link and romance. In Golden you can hear in her romance scenes just the right amount of sheepishness in her voice to make her very endearing. Vanilla Chie sounds like she's trying not to fall asleep.

Of course the right answer is to play with Japanese voices, but that's not what the argument is about.

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>>719597423
>who isn't even properly dealt with now.
Exact same fate as the original, what do you think changed by giving the player better information on the entity possessing Kaya is?
It made no sense for the future Raidou to keep being mysterious and refuse to reason with Raidou 14th.

>>719597656
The original chie dub voice was much better. Her golden voice was like nails on chalkboard, legitimately ruined the character for me.

>>719597684
OG: Trapped in the space between worlds, doomed to wander as a ghost.
Remake: Sent back to her original timeline.
In the original we didn't know the future Raidou's gender or age. They changed it to be a teenage girl.
You are retarded.

>>719597771
>Remake: Sent back to her original timeline.
what? No, when was that ever stated?

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>>719587628
She'll probably become the Junpei in Reload. AKA Critpei
Doubt the passives will be anything unique.
Maybe Kanji will have Auto-Maraku

>>719597771
do you just get a kick from spreading lies in these threads or something?

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>>719597829
How about you actually play it?

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>>719597958
How about I did?

>>719598028
No wonder you're so confused. You skipped all the dialog.

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>>719597771
FUKIGNN RUIINNNNEEED DEMAKE DEMAKE DEMAKE AAAAA I'LL KILL MYSELF NOOOOO

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Can I have your honest opinion on my art?

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>>719598085
All she said is she doesn't wanna go back, not like she even CAN go back anymore. She's trapped.

>>719598201
Nope, the line about being a lost soul was in the original. It's not in the remake.

>>719598312
You're a lost cause, forever looking for a fight where there is none. Lost in the abyss of time.

>>719591589
rebumping this for non obvious reasons i cannot take you final shin megami faggots anylonger

>>719591589
I feel called out so I bet you're an X-fag fanboy.

>>719595468
>>719596194
>>719596197
>>719596693
>>719597423
>>719597771
Holy shit, I didn't realize it was that bad. Definitely skipping it now.

>>719597125
I concur

>>719597731
If you weren’t a biased retarded faggot you wouldn’t have this opinion. There’s nothing about her old voice that says country bumpkin excitable tomboy, she sounds more formal and refined than yukiko for fuck sake

>>719598193
Disturbing in a Goya black paintings way

>>719590657
You can still play the game without distractions. Not sure why it requires an old version of the game, an old TV or a basement. It will never be 2008 again.

>>719599742
Why do you think it is disturbing?

zoomer revisionist history is strong in this thread

Will we ever get something in a more classic vein that's fast/speedy like Soul Hackers again?

man soul hackers sucks

>>719597875
That's already what she was. High-crit single target physical with occasional extra removal of an enemy.

>>719575859
Played through vanilla P5 on higher difficulty and I wouldn't call it a "real challenge" considering I don't think I died once.

>>719599742
Damn anon, that's probably the nicest thing anyone's said to me all week. I was going for a bit of Silent Hill meets meat grinder energy, so if it gave you Goya nightmares I think I nailed the vibe.

V makes me so fucking mad bros. How did it run into the same pacing issues and dropped character development that IV had FUCKING TWICE. TWICE THEY DID IT, how is that fucking possible? ATLUS WHAT THE ABSOLUTE FUCK

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playing fes with a friend and it's been ages since I played p3p so I don't remember a lot of details. it's the start of the second semester and we've maxed out all our stats, are tanaka and the monk the only night social links? just trying to figure out what we should be doing at night now that we're not going to the arcade constantly

>>719604592
>are tanaka and the monk the only night social links?
Yep.

>>719604759
well shit. if we've got the stats maxed and finished off the devil arcana, there's nothing else to do other than just going to bed early?

>>719597125
Cute Chee

where her jugs always that big

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>>719602742
They tried to ape the same thing 3 did, but didn't understand why 3 did it or how (the humans were on their own, wandering a big inside-out ball world, getting progressively more disillusioned with their humanity every time you meet them).
You can't do the same fucking thing with the same characters if you're always buddying up with them, going to school, attending the same organization. It's jarring.

>>719573975
playing persona 5 at the moment and just finish the sae palace, man that plot twits was RETARDED, like holy hell i will take the i wanna be jesus from persona 3 any time, jesus that was bad

Marie is way overhated. Most people only dislike her because it’s the popular thing to do.