"real" games>pay $60-$80>play for a weekend>throw it awaygacha>pay nothing>play for years on end with no additional costWhy do gamers think the latter is less consumer friendly?
>>719574790Probably the predatory practices they include to associate playing the game with actual finances. That's really the big issue with it.
>>719574790>$60-80no wonder you hate games. stop playing triple a slop
>EKSHWORLDHuh?
>>719574945But you can just.... not give them money.
Actually good free games>Free>No microtransactions, premium version or any other paid bullshit>Actually good>Play forever
>>719574790by "play for years on end" you actually mean do the same brainrotting daily chores every goddamn day for a modicum of pull currency, with the occasional toddler-tier impossible to fail minigame to break up the monotony
>>719575168And? It's more something like this anon.>Have currency that can be purchased via both in game and through microtransactions, tying it to real money>Daily tasks and limited events are the primary method of attaining the currency outside of microtransactions>This ties those events and dailies to a financial income>This creates a mental relationship that if you don't play the game every day and do every event, you are losing moneyThis is predatory because it intentionally creates a feeling of financial loss when you don't play the game. It has nothing to do with whether or not you spend money.
>play gacha>don't spend money>get absolutely bodied by everyone else, your gear sucks, the drip feed of cocntent is a sahara desert>want to actually pay for the game>basic entry shit costs hundreds of dollars, pay $1000 to slightly level up your meta character who will be obsolete within the yearI learned my lesson with umamusume. Gacha is pure cancer and anyone advocating this genre deserves to be curb stomped american x style.
real games>pay for $0 (piratechads ftw)>maximum varieties >play for months>can drop anytime you want if you're bored and picked it up later without getting afraid of powercreep (you're the master of your controller)>you have your game forever gacha>"""free"""" with tedious chores or pay it up piggies >0 varieties of gameplay>daily chore hostage you with freemium>FOMO and powercreep >lost your effort if devs decided to shut the servers down
>>719574790You don't play gachas. Gachas play you.
>>719574790Because my time is worth waaaaay fucking more then the money on me. Im poor as shit but would rather spend money on a game that has a beginning, middle, and end, then waste years of my fucking time playing the same game doing the same grind like its another 9 to 5. Plus if the gacha game really is that fucking good at some point it'll wrap production and be sold as a "Complete" version and Id rather have that.
>>719575923
If I wanted to get my wife Shenhe at C6R5 it will take me like 20 years as a F2P or pay like 3000 dollars so no thanks
>>719574790Mihoyo no longer uses that slogan, bwo. They're hoyoverse now, and are completely soulless.
>>719575565Trvth
>>719574790Who the fuck wants to play a video game for years on end anyway? This sounds more like a fucking job than a video game. The most memorable games are the ones you finish and leave a lasting impression on you, not ones where you log in every single day doing the same exact shit forever.
>>719576076Nice post, Chang.
>>719574790you only say this because your time is worthless
>>719574790Hoyoslop are just gloryfied VNs, except the writing is hot garbage and you get half a chapter's worth of progress every 3 months.
>can play game whenever VS>censored slop with microtransanctions and will go offline one day Donkey.
>>719574790Wasting your time on braindead skinner box garbage for years is a good thing?
Roblox
>>719574790>free game>makes billionsHmm... something doesn't seem right here...
>low quality slop>but it's actually great because it's "free"
>>719574790Have you actually played a Gatcha? They're fucking garbage. If you're poor like me, just download an emulator.
>>719577010oddly fitting that hoyo is making a roblox clone that uses genshin assets.
>>719574790>>play for years on end with no additional cost>Have a much worse and frustrating experience playing if you don't pay the triweekly 600$ gacha pulls for the hard pittyWhy are gachafags so delusional?
I've experienced playing gachas f2p long-term before. They quickly turn into daily errands simulators where you feel obligated to log in even if you don't want to. Whales are the only ones who have the luxury of taking breaks and not being punished, as they can just swipe
>>719574790ZZZ is the most passionate I've been for gaming in years. It's great
>>719574790>real games>pay $60-$80>play for 3 months>replay it a year later for 3 months>replay it again a year later for another 3 months >repeatyou can just stop being a retarded toddl- no wait, kids love to replay the games they enjoy so you're just a retarded faggot.
I don't play gacha but since some of them are on PC, can you cheat or mod premium currency on PC in gacha games?
>>719575601the only way to actually enjoy f2p gacha is if you're not a lucklet.
I've always felt this way about live service gamesBack in my day, you would spend 60 dollars for a multiplayer game that would HOPEFULLY be kept alive by 20 dollar map packs. Now almost every multiplayer game is completely free and funded by people spending on cosmetics, and is given a significantly better lifespan because of itTell me why I'm supposed to be upset about the new system. Im not convinced.
>>719580176if you want to get permabanned, yes.
>>719574790>>pay nothingHave you?
>>719580392>Now almost every multiplayer game is completely free and funded by *a small subset of whales while everyone who doesn't want to whale has to treat the game like a job
>>719580392>Now almost every multiplayer game is completely free and funded by people spending on cosmetics,those are actually the exception.
>>719580483>while everyone who doesn't want to whale has to treat the game like a jobNobody is making you do this. Infact there is hardly a reason to. Even super jewey gachas like the Hoyoverse games make the campaign incredibly easily to get through without having to grind. Let alone live service multiplayer games like Rivals
>>719580357The only way to enjoy f2p gacha, or gacha in general, is if you're a soulless subhuman. You are automatically a lucklet for being born a lesser being.
Having every unlock be a casino instead of unlocking stuff by playing the game sure is a downgrade.
Anyone that calls themselves an otaku is a poser at best and opportunistic scum at worst. It's a word that can't apply to anyone non-Japanese.
>>719576256>C6R5>for free clear PvEdon't be a retard and Genshin is very wallet friendly for the amount of content you get>>719576479this is why I stopped. I enjoyed it for 2 years but just wanted to move on to other things
>>719580941Its a funny joke, but it always pisses me off how the arrows point?
>>719574790Ah yes, the gameplay:
>>719575565But you are not like the subhuman gacha players that fall for these practices, right? You are special, and so that means you can enjoy the game without getting fleeced for money. By doing that, you can not only have fun with the game, but also stick it to the evil corpos by consuming their product for free.
>>719581212>that means you can enjoy the game without getting fleeced for moneyif it were that simple gacha wouldn't be what they areinstead what happens is>get lured in for a few weeks with a rush of first-time player currency and constant campaign progress>suddenly stonewall the player with an insurmountable power requirement or drought of currency at the point they're already deep into sunk cost>regardless of the outcome at this point, player value has been successfully extracted through signups/rerolls, time invested, and money depending on if the player is particularly susceptible to social pressures
>>719581212Look anon, I'm not passing any moral judgement. I'm just listing the predatory practice so you can recognize it. Play the game if you want, I'm not your mother.
>>719581212Different guy, but I needed to fall for it once in order to realize how and why it's shitty firsthand.
>>719576256For overworld you don't need a C6 character because it is so easy. For endgame content, I don't have any C6 character's, and I can still 36 star the Spiral Abyss. I hate Imaginarium theater so I don't care about it. SO, I just do the easy levels grab the primos and jet. Unless you are a whale and want to flex on the 4 chins about your clear times on higher difficulty levels. Which nobody gives a shit about, someone else's clear times anyway You don't need a C6R5 character.
>>719574790They feel like they're 'losing' when people have better characters than them even in a single player game. There could be no co-op at all and people would still whine about Genshin being P2W when theres no winning or competition to be won, and the game is basically a free AAA RPG even if you used free characters (which can do everything except the very end of spiral abyss).
>>719580756>Even super jewey gachas like the Hoyoverse games make the campaign incredibly easily to get throughThat's the point? They make it so fucking braindead easy so it's essentially a mindless geind to log in for every day. Meanwhile if you want to do content where some semblance of challenge, and thus gameplay, is actually present, you have 0 chance of participating without whaling. Umamusume does this shit. The campaign is so braindead you can click on literally anything and are guaranteed to clear it. There's no gameplay there. Your stats, builds, strategies, nothing matters in the slightest bit. But if you want to take your character to PvP, the only mode where character building actually matters, you need to spend thousands of dollars otherwise you are nothing more than a low lvl NPC for whales to beat down on.
>>719575601>>get absolutely bodied by everyone else????????????????? none of those games in the OP are PvP games>the drip feed of cocntent is a sahara desertGenshin and ZZZ put out more content at a faster pace than most devs.
What does Xi's asshole taste like, Chang
>>719582769The select few who have gotten to taste it get to work behind the scenes (if you know what i mean)
>>719574790>slave logs in to do tedious bullshit every day out of FOMO>thinks he's winning because he didn't pay for it
when the benevolent AI machine-god powered by Hoyo's artificial sun escorts the human race into Instrumentality, you will have Burnice to thank
>>719574790For the same reason free drugs are more evil than expensive drugs
These are not video games, they're platforms to sell you digital goods (characters)
>>719575565But anon... you can just not give them money.
>>719574790>otakuSYeah, dont think so
>>719583878And then you get pestered over and over again directly and indirectly to spend money or suffer because if this were as clever and workable an idea as you think it is nobody would be making, and thus, playing gachas in the first place
>>719583878Nigga, can you read? I literally said it wasn't about giving them money. If anything, an unwillingness to give them money makes it more predatory specifically because you're trying to save money.This makes it more important to do events and dailies, intensifying that connection because again, when you don't do them you're literally losing money.
>>719583878But anon.... I could just not play gacha.
>>719584016Nobody is disagreeing that gachas are immoral for exploiting people with low self control. But the whole narrative you guys are pushing that you somehow "lose compared to everyone else and that all the game's content is impossible without paying" doesn't apply at all to the major gachas.
It always makes me laugh when 4chan retards think they're "owning" f2p devs because they grind their games for hours every day instead of paying.
>genshitfag questions why normal humans hate gachaDo you really need to make this thread every day?
>>719584604You're out of touch with just how many people these days play gacha
>>719584757I don't consider the chinks people.
>>719580846The comparison is rather path of exile in which you have to buy every cosmetic or stash tab or path of exile in which you get currency to gamble every week for free shit or pay to gamble, clearly having a chance for free shit is better than 100% having to pay, obviously some games are more predatory than others
>>719574790I'm okay with gachas over lootboxesbut I don't really like either
>>719584517Why should I play the game if the only way to guarantee I get exactly what I want is to pay more than I would've paid for a regular game and playing without paying is a deliberately extremely suboptimal experience?
>>719584838False dichotomy. I'm thinking about games that have neither of that.
If you're playing a game primarily for bullshit "rewards" rather than fun you have already lost.
>>719584838>clearly having a chance for free shit is better than 100% having to payit's not really. the rates are always low enough most people have to rely on pity, and the amount of currency required for a pity/spark will always be at least $100 and specifically in the case of umamusume with Kitasan Black, $210https://youtu.be/5LNzH495CQI?si=iWsY5vhxX_wHQfCR&t=2506
>>719580357It's funny because Granblue is STILL doing everything that people rag on gacha aboutLike 90% of the complaints people have about gacha being predatory, P2W, and exploitative are almost entirely because of Granblue Fantasy (and FGO).They just threw up a new MTX that let's you buy a whole grid for about $40 USD, letting any new players literally skip dozens of hours of grind and limited events. And it's a dogshit grid, too. Nowhere near enough to let you compete for blue chests in Revans.
>>719585192>always low enough most people have to rely on pity,yeah, and if the game is good you can hit pity for free by not being an ADHD dopamine addict and saving your F2P currency
>>719587773>saving your F2P currencyduring the honeymoon period when you're actually earning it somewhat regularlyafter the campaign dries up though?lol
>>719574945>"you can buy this virtual item">this is predatoryI don't think zoomers even know what the word predatory even means. You can simply turn off the game, you can simply just not buy the damn thing. How is it predatory?In what ways is the ability to buy something in a virtual world even resembling you being stalked by a wolf.
Only poor people or gigantic whales play gacha games, I guess if you have no money and only a phone or a 15 year old pc gachas sort of are a video game
>>719588330>You can simply turn off the gameNot until you've gotten the login bonus and done your dailies>you can simply not bother with login bonuses or dailiesAnd lose out on f2p currency that you need to roll the girls you want>you can simply not care about the girlsWhy even fucking play it in the first place then
>>719588209BA is about a spark every 2 monthsHoyo games have werid pull rates but pity carries over indefinitely so the gacha is almost retard proof, I often find myself averaging about 70 pulls a character, which isn't hard to get playing the regular contentNikke is similar
>>719588635it's interesting that you didn't actually contradict anything i saidi've played gacha before and i know what 70 pulls gets you(not what you want)
>>719588831The games still give you what you want if you save for itWhy are you acting like they become unplayable after exhausting the permanent content?
>>719588330>In the act of giving you in game currency through limited events, this connects financial value to performing the game>This in turn creates a negative psychological impact if the player is unable to do events/dailies to earn currencyThis is literally predatory. It creates a system to make players psychologically addicted to the game because if they don't play it, it is effectively the same as losing money even if they don't spend any money on the game.It isn't the micro-transactions, that's just a shit practice. It's the psychological training to make players feel like they're taking a financial loss if they don't continue playing the game.
>>719589225because "saving" for it requires you become the game's bitch and spend as long as it wants from you each day so that you can have that currency saved up for when the time comes, not even a guarantee either since if they run two banners with characters you want one after the other you're just fucked
>>719589597Just like a job. Gachas are just slave work.
>>719582738>none of those games in the OP are PvP gameslook at this secondary >ZZZ just had its longest patch with enough content for maybe 1/5 of it
>>719589821>waaaahhh I want it and I want it NOWLooks like these games aren't for you. Don't project your own inadequacies onto other people.
>>719590640correct. i would like to have some semblance of control over how i experience the entertainment i'm paying for. if you enjoy the feeling of having to play when the GAME wants you to, and not when YOU want to, then frankly i can't empathize with you nor do i feel any sympathy
>>719574790>Why do gamers think the latter is less consumer friendly?Maybe because you're being extremely disingenuous with your examples? You're gonna wanna add the following to the gacha section for it to give a complete picture>gacha characters are typically considered "content">Never enough currency to get everyone>Miss out on content and ability to discuss said content with the community>Repeat for years>Eventually your invested characters are no longer good enough to clear hardest content because "that's just how gachas are!">Start to get fewer rolls each patch, but it's only "X rolls" because "you don't need to clear everything"Yeah, somehow gacha is less consumer-friendly.
>>719590769No one cares about japanese waifu games, we are talking about people whining so much about lootboxes that they were banned
>>719590769To add to that, I'll never play another Hoyo gacha because they've demonstrated multiple times now that they will powercreep everything for the sake of it, which feels significantly worse than all other gacha because:>Gacha rates suck>Stingy with giving out gacha currency>Gacha characters released too fast, hurting F2P and the story in the process>Massive equipment RNG>New equipment sets are released pretty regularly, making old sets worse>Can never get better sets, the grind never ends>By the time you actually get a great set the character is more than likely obsolete
>>719574790>Tech otakus save the worldMore like Soulless chinks copy nintendo games add slot machines and lure kids into gambling
>>719574790Here's your "free" game, bro.
>>719590756>i would like to have some semblance of control over how i experience the entertainment i'm paying foryou could say that about literally any video game ever
>>719591251You don't need either of those things to enjoy genshin lmaoyou can't stop retards from spending their money on stupid shitif it wasn't gacha, it would be skins in some mobaif it wasn't that, it would be impulse buying useless shit on amazon
>>719591151>we are talking about people whining so much about lootboxes that they were bannedLootboxes are not banned, though. Only Belgium and maybe one or two other countries, and even then, it does not extent to gacha, which absolutely should be banned.
>>719591287and for most games it's true. i don't have to worry about fantasy life i releasing a limited time cute girl character that i'll miss unless i start playing it again daily 20 days ago to save up the currency for her, it's there when i want to play it and i don't have to have it occupy my mind for negative reasons when i'm not
>>719591431that's a lot of words to say literally nothing
>>719591151 Ok but lootboxes didn’t prey on the same Pavlovian bullshit that gachas do. Lootboxes were trash, sure, but gacha games tied with FOMO-laced events, limited-time banners, and months of grinding for a CHANCE at the jpeg you want is a whole different beast. At least in TF2 you could pretend to roll for a hat with dignity. Now it’s logging in daily to get 30 crystals and hoping big anime mommy drops in 3 months. Consumer-friendly my ass.
>>719591251his fault for being retarded and rolling for 4*s
>>719591532as opposed to your post, which is saying less than nothing. literally, as in, you would have been better off not responding at all
>>719591615They should stop fucking making 4* designs better than 5*s then
Gacha:>"Free"> Shill hundreds of dollars on micro transactions to have an ounce of fun
>>719591741Because FIFA isn't anime and /v/ is full of underage election tourists that think anime is ickyAlso Honor of Kings basically doesn't exist in any EN community.
>>719592252>you need to spend money to have fun!!!!!!1this opinion is the biggest self-report because it signals you're the kind of person that can't resist jingling keys and opens their wallet whenever they see a store icon
>>719592449if you're deliberately given a suboptimal and overbearing experience by not paying then yes you have to spend money to have fun
>>719592449Not when a new patch is pretty much only a new banner as the "content". You pretty much need to get the new gacha items to actually get something from the new patch.
>>719592252just don't spend money bro control yourself just put the fork down
>>719576698>Hoyoslop are just gloryfied VNs, except the writing is hot garbage and you get half a chapter's worth of progress every 3 months.this is the truth. I love genshin for being a free AAA game with great exploration, but the story and dialogues are complete shit. There are 20 min long dialogues about fucking food. I don't care about that.
>>719592696>comparing gachas to foodwho's self-reporting again?
>>719592562>if you're deliberately given a suboptimal and overbearingName the gacha you played that did this and explain how if felt suboptimal
>>719593007Obesity is a sign of low conscientiousness and self control, which does not apply solely to eating habits
>>719574790they doomed the world
grinding in a "real" game>wowie I can use this sword for 1 more hour until I kill the last boss and stop playing the game forever (if I replay it, I'll start from scratch)grinding in gacha>whatever I get, I'll keep using years from now so every grind feels meaningfulGacha just feels more REAL to me
>>719593902I got her when she released and I still use her
>>719591251fake and gayi don't think 90 pulls cost 400 dollars
>>719593998it don't, that is something like 200 pulls, enough to hit hard pity at least twice and then some.so even with bottom of the barrel dogshit luck your looking at at minimum C0 of the banner character and a standard banner character or C1 of the banner character.only thing i can think of if real is they were specifically going for 4* constellations which is peak retarded as there is no pity on those outside of getting "A" 4* every 10 pulls or less but not any specific one.
>>719574790I saw a retard on youtube spend $3000 to get a silly anime character once and thought it was really stupid, so I'm going to blindly hate all gachas forever because of it, since they only exist to drain your money apparently, unlike the games I play.
>>719593998Entirely possible. 90 pulls is a little over 120 burgerbux IIRC but he's rolling for 4*s, which are way more RNG-based than the simple coinflip. He has shit luck but he's a whale so he deserves it.
>>719593672didn't know tinder and onlyfans were gachas
i'll stop "playing" gachashit once a high budget, mod-friendly anime game came out, the question is--when?
>>719574790>gacha>"play"
>>719593998>>719594380>>719594481top up cucks deserve to be bullied
>>719594539gacha is sfw onlyfans
I hate drip feed GaaS shit in all of its vile forms. I rather have a complete experience with a beginning and end that i can return to any time I like and hasnt mutated into some bastardized version. Games connecting to the internet has been nothing but a defect.
>>719574790
>>719594670you just say whatever comes to mind, huh?
>>719574790gachas are woke and trans positive
>>719574790One has actual gameplay
>>719581212nigga the "gameplay" in gacha fucking sucks
>>719574790Daily reminder that Genshit is dying because PS4 is being removed
>install VN with a minigame>skips the VN because you're an adderal addicted zoomer who just wants to grind for numbers>wtf why game badGorillas statistically have a higher IQ than you
>>719574790a real game lets you experience everything it has to offer without needing to turn it into some sick bugman casino
>>719592818The real skill check of the game is to sieve the important bits from dialog and archive. It's pretty satisfying once you shit out.
>>719594767I hate ADHD zoomeroids who are somehow PROUD about not being able to consume episodic media. Never saw a TV show in his life, never read a weekly manga, never followed a series of novels and somehow PROUD of it
>>719574790Because it is. Gacha games uses fomo and sunk cost to manipulate players by making them do dailies and showing them "flash" sales. I play some zzz and fgo but lets not pretend that they're not predatory.
>>719594986both do
>>719595269Cope
>>719595224TF2 isn't a real game confirmed
>>719595257once you figure* shit out
>>719595224real casinos have better odds and payouts. how are they getting cucked by anime girl pngs?
>>719595436>better oddslol
>>719595436you actually need to leave the house to play at one
>>719595436>real casinos have better odds and payouts
>>719595497its true. after spending a couple tens of thousands of dollars in most real casinos you actually get to touch a set of tits.
>>719574790Gacha games being free to play is what really kills them in the end for me (obviously the outlier since they make so much money)You either do the daily grind just to farm freemium resources, or you pay out your ass and save about 40 hours a week from mindless dailies.
>>719595576that's horrifyingslots are not fun to play at all
>>719595436do casinos also give you the jackpot out of pity?!
>>719595264ironically genshin became much more enjoyable when I stopped giving a shit about dailies and just hopped on whenever I felt like it or after a few updates. human psychology is a trip
>>719574790It would be nice if Hoyo's games were, you know, good.
My gripe about gachas is that they have to be built from the ground up to shill you shit, so there's not really a story more than there's 5 hour advertisements with a loose connection at best
>>719595668Why do people keep saying this. Look at genshin for example. You do not need to do dailies if you dont want to. 80% of the "fremium resources" you get just from simply just playing the game normally. You do not need to login daily if you dont want to. There's nothing gated behind being forced to login everyday.
>>719595605>touch some used up whoreyuck
>>719595709not really, things are regulated but you will always lose all of your money eventually.the regulation is a percentage the games take in must be given back out, it varies on the game and state i believe but i would never rely on it as "False Wins" exist where say you pay $2 for a spin and it pays out $1 it will still set the lights and sounds off as if you didn't just lose half of what you put in.
>>719595889BA has a fantastic story
i like the horse girl one
>>719595925>80% of the "fremium resources" you get just from simply just playing the game normallywhat does "playing the game normally" entail then? can you grind them out if you want to?
>>719595925>Majority of rewards loaded onto Permanent Content>The content is on a rotation and missableBravo
>>719574790CCP mihomo shill thread Pandered to foids and now after losing the male playerbase the Chinese are desperate
I did Imaginarium today but they said they will add Lunar mode in next patch. Will I have to do it again, or will that mode come in the next Imaginarium?
>>719596025Everyone says this about their favourite gacha, I'm not being tricked
>>719596072grinding out the currency is mostly full clearing the map for the various chests they lay around the map. the rest is right infront of your face like end game content of imaginarium theater, spiral abyss, and stygian onslaughtthe rest of the currency is super casual and easy to obtain
>>719596076The "content" is the open world map and exploration which is permanently there. You're not missing anything if you miss the endgame content because it's designed for people playing for a long time to reach maxed characters.
>>719574790>Why do gamers think the latter is less consumer friendly?You left out parts where everything is powercreeped to hell and back. With HP inflation. Not to mention the recently level capped raise to lvl 100 but you need 10 fucking copies before you can get any SSR to level 100. It's bascially PAY 2 WIN at this point and there will be hoyoshills still defending this.
>>719596164My favorite gacha was Dragalia Lost and the story was complete fucking garbage. Sometimes I see people praising it and I wish I could commit acts of immense violence on these retards.
>>719596180>grinding out the currency is mostly full clearing the map for the various chests they lay around the map.that sounds like a finite source>the rest of the currency is super casual and easy to obtainhow?
they run pretty well on my shit pc so i guess its fine
>>719596296what's bad about it
>>719596164I have played a fewAll of Hoyoshit is mediocre even though I genuinely still like genshinGBF is radioactive dogshitGFL is decentNikke is decentBut BA is the only one that actually made me feel something. Even if it used a lot of anime tropes. It didn't try too hard to be unique and ended up doing well because it wasn't trying to focus on LE DEEP LOAR and ended up just being a story about cute girls shooting eachother
>>719596328event content is usually mini-game and takes maybe 15 minutes total spread across a few days and gives out on average 400 primogems for each eventjust playing the game and doing the quests will net you 1,300 or so and two full rollswhen a livestream happens about two weeks before a patch there are usually three codes good for only one day that gives you 300 primogemsthe anniversary event is coming up and will give 10 rolls and 1600 primogems for logging in. over a few days.
>>719596183>You're not missing anything!>Well except the majority of rewards each patch>Just do the content that's permanent!>It's like 20 rolls and some changeSo 80% of the resources aren't available from permanent content then, which is the claim
>>719596532>all of this is just relying on the devs' good graces and assuming they will give you enough to get everything you want when it's availablethis genre requires way too much optimism. naivete even
>>719596487i enjoy fanart and memes of BA but i'll never play the game because the gameplay is one of the worst i've seen, on par with FGO
>>719596453It started out as generic fantasy shit, then they dumped the whole initial idea of the plot and it became... another kind of generic fantasy shit. The only good thing I can say about it was that it had an actual ending.
>>719596708none of this really matters as only some combat content needs any characters beyond some 4*s you get for free. the en game content doesn't give you must other than some additional premium currency each month.if it makes you feel better you can select a free 5* from the standard banner from the anniversary event and you will also receive all the ascension materials to get them to level 60 when you claim them.there is also plans for making this retroactive to new players who missed out.
>>719596721Theorycrafting for higher tiers of raids using your F2P units is pretty fun.
Whether or not you can successfully pull good characters and items from the gacha is besides the point, it's the total separation of gameplay and tangible, unique rewards that makes the whole experience suck. You're never gonna find a cool weapon or ability from exploring a dungeon, at best you'll find some crafting materials or currency for a *partial* roll on the slot machine. Any cool party members are easily withheld as gacha bait, because why let them join you as part of the story? That's not even getting into other structural issues like the fact that the stories are designed to drag on for as long as the game is making money, and there's no guarantee that they'll give the game a proper ending before they pull the plug.
>>719596076>players that actually enjoy the game and play it are given more rewards>adhd gamblers that only come once in a while to spin the wheel get shaftedBased in my book. Pay up and fund my game.
>>719597034you can get characters for free for playing the game, 4*s but some of them are actually quite good like Xiangling.there are also some good 4* weapons to be obtained outside of the gatcha system too like The Catch, arguably one of the best f2p polearms in the game.there are a few stinkers too like a fairly neat looking sword from a story quest where it is possessed or something, i forgot as it has been a few years but it involved Kazuha. that sword just does blips of extra damage when it does its secondary effect which is pretty much nothing.but you get premium currency from everything and if your a new player there is enough from exploring the maps to easily get several 5*s, not sure what the actual count is these days at it goes up every patch but it has to be 5-10 by now.
>>719597153So it's not permanent and 80% of the rewards are not in permanent content, like the post claimed
>>719580941it just means dudes that like anime tits, moe, panties and fanserviceunlike 99.9% of normieniggers who pretend to like anime
I feel like the gacha shill threads are getting worse and more frequent on this board
>>719574790Good, mihoyo saved me from pay2play trash
>>719597352they are permanent
>>719597413>90% of this thread is people who hate gacha arguing with people who play it>sHiLlIng
>>719597405i'm otaku but not into girls
>>719597516>OP is literally shilling gacha as a superior form of game>B-But people disagree in the thread so it can't be a shill thread!It's a shill thread
>>719597352there will always be dailies, paimon store, imaginarium, etcwhich makes them permanent
>>719597595if liking something makes you a shill then all threads on this board have shillsmaybe go someplace else?
>>719597307>but you get premium currency from everything and if your a new player there is enough from exploring the maps to easily get several 5*sThat's the exact thing I'm talking about though, your reward for exploring is gambling lmao. That shit sucks
>>719597670>Uhh sorry sweaty, only good vibes in the dojoGachaniggers are the thinnest skinned people on the planet
>>719597747>gamblingPity is not gamblingIf the probability is equal to 1, wherein lies the gamba?
>>719597764hey i'm not crying in a thread i hate
>>719597764>you can't disagree with me or you're thin skinnedlol
>>719575107KekNobody tell him PLEASE
Did they actually save the world?
>>719574790I still dont get why anby is the face of zzz
>>719597872i heard they invested in space programs and nerve gear
>>719597457>>719597597>Dailies>Missable if you don't log in>Paimon Store>Resets every month, missable>All endgame modes>ResetThe rewards are missable, therefore are not permanent. You literally cannot get any of the rewards for the above from previous patches.
>>719597872 they have to make anime girls real, ones that look cute
>>719597962why not just pirate the game then? it might be a patch or two behind but it should probably work.then proceed to not play the game at all, just leave the icon on your desktop since that seems to be your intention.
>no, I can't just miss stuff because... uhh, i just can't, ok?!?!?It feels great to not care about that shit
>>719597962thank god i don't have this type of autism
>>719597872They save the world from western tranny agenda
>>719597405You kind of made my point for me.It's supposed to mean someone with an obsessive interest in something to the detriment of their social life and even life in general, like what 'geek' used to mean decades ago. What you described is just a general poser that uses anime pictures of characters they can't name and says "DUDE I'M SUCH A WEEB".
>>719580941Yet you're fat weak and NEVER will be japaneseNow go shill your fotm fatlusslop you fucking retard
>>719598205By pushing tranime and pedophilia in your face?KYS troon
>>719598104>>719598141>>719598168The original post's claim was that 80% of the rewards were permanent, which they literally aren't You're just making shit up to get mad at
>>719598179thank god faggot commies like you won't ever have control of my country :)
>>719598179>not everyone is a iron-willed conservative like youlmao>NOOO, MY WALLET, AHH, MY WALLET, MY CREDIT CARD NUMBER AHHH MY HANDS ARE MOVING ON MY OWN SOMEONE HELP
>>719598320thanks nigger/unsubscribe
>>719574790Because if you pay no money then you're likely stuck in some kind of untenable grind game that sets in after you've invested X amount of hours, resulting in pressure to pay up. Honestly, I don't think "full price" games are in a much better position these days but a presentable indie that goes for $20 or something is greatly preferable to both these days. At least that shit's priced right for what you get.
>>719598320>posting niggersopinion discarded
>>719598236he said you don't need to log in daily, dumbassand it's true, dailies account for like 15% of total pimosif you're gonna be autistic about something at least read correctly
>>719598320give it time, Fortnite got just as much hate for years after it came out, now? hardly anyone gives a shit.believe or not but i highly doubt hoyo gives a shit about this Mongolian basket weaving board.
>>719598384actually the game has no challenge if you waste money on it. you aren't bad at video games and need to spend in order to handle normal level difficulty right?
>>719574790>mediocre story>mediocre gameplay>repetitive daily missions>energy locked so your playtime is limited>characters the MOST important aspect of the game are completely forgotten after their banners Gacha is a waste of time.
Does the Genshin story get better after Inazuma? I remember playing the first three zones' stories and being bored to tears by all three
>>719598563>how dare you waste your time says the anon on 4chanlol lmao even
>>719574790It's psychological. People want to be seen as equal and want to have the same thing as everyone else. They can save up and buy the latest gadget games phones etc and pretend to cope and feel good about themselves. They can't do that in gacha games as they will never ever catch up. They will be reminded that there are always people earning more and living a better life than them and feel inferior. Which is pure torture. Genshin just introduced a new mechanic where one can straight up identify who are the paying players funding the game and who are the poor f2p leeches. Which has caused a lot of seething among the loud minority.
>>719598616the game as a whole gets better after Inazuma, Sumeru is a love it or hate it thing since the Aranara quest chain is super long but Fontaine is pretty solid.now is the story good? hard to say, even the devs said they fucked up telling the story and plan to use Nod Krai to tie up loose ends before Snez.
>>719598657Posting here is better leisure time than playing gacha, yes.
>>719598616Way better, but the way it's told sucks. It's like listening to someone that brings up unimportant details all the time when telling a story.
>>719598750>Haha traveler, let's go have a meal while the NPC of the patch rambles on for 5 minutes to say what could be said in a hundred words
>>719598691>fags who pay money in gacha always try to worm their way back into f2p status because everyone knows if you spend you suck ass at the gamepaypiggies are pathetic and this will never change
I got less time to play video games now that I'm not unemployeed so I would rather play my anime gacha game with sexy bitches in it over a $80 10 hour walking sim with subtle to blatant political propaganda in it. I'll enjoy spending $80 rolling on gacha banners of my waifu more than a $80 propaganda pieceRecently finished Stellar Blade. That game was fun. If more AAA games were like Stellar Blade I'd gladly play them over my anime gacha
>menial chore gameplay>plot that never fucking moves forwards because it has to go on foreverwow sign me up!
>>719574790"real" games>play the gamegacha>press auto-battle>navigate menus for 30 minutes to do your dailies
>>719599003>30 minutesskill issue lmao
>>719598616First half of Sumeru is the pinnacle of the game. Much better than anything before it. France and Africa were meh.
>Build a PC for almost 3k $>try big budget AAA slop>get bored in a week>back to gachaWell, at least I'll be able to max every gacha game for the next 5 years.
I would absolutely play genshin if you could skip the dialogue
>>719599003>impotent lies and seethingthanks for confirming a gacha banged your mom or whatever made you so upset
I'm here to say that OP is unironically right
>>719599270>There are only AAA moviegames and gachaSo in the end it's always been a taste issue
>>719599003rpg gachas suck
>>719599176This is the real pinnacle. The only ones I've seen disagree do it because they're envious of Monsieur Godvillette.
If money is the reason you're playing gacha why not just get into doom wads or something
>>719599352You're talking to hoyotards. A 10 year old child knows more about video games than they do.
>>719584517i disagree, it's always morally correct to exploit the bottom quintile. hopefully they kill themselves before they reproduce
>>719599352All good "real" games are old and I already played them.
>>719599398The only good thing about Fontaine was Furina and she was thrown in the trash to make way for that faggot dragon.
>>719599443I started gaming with Starcraft and Diablo 2. I'm probably 2x older than you.
>>719599557Furina was 10/10 everything else about that crap sucked dick. Especially the fucking prison. Maybe except Navia, she was ok.
>>719599525RUNWE'VE BEEN MADE
>>719574790Gacha typically relies on two things: FOMO and P2W strategies.Also, should they go EoS, which is typically at the start of their anniversary, they typically don't have an offline version.
>>719599352>I spent $3K on computer hardware just to play indie and retro games that can be run on broken thrift store chromebook
>>719599727>typically typically typicallythanks professor retard for sharing your deep wisdom with us
>>719599868I just got on the thread, faggot. Kill yourself.
>>719599727>Also, should they go EoS, which is typically at the start of their anniversaryBro Granblue Fantasy and Kanti Collection are still chugging along
>>719574790>E>K>S>H>W O R L DWhat
>>719599918typically you should be less of a retard when spouting shit you don't know anything about
>western game industry suicided years ago and somehow manages to still get worse every year >japan keeps doing the same shit over and over and over again Chinese gacha wins because everybody else stopped even trying.
>>719600107star rail sucks badly
>>719600107It's a tragedy indeed.Chinks and gooks can only make gachaslop. Regurgitating worse versions of Japanese rpgs.
>>719574790real games>pay $60-$80>play for a weekendgacha>pay nothing>get nothing >pay $60-$80 >get nothing>pay $120-$160>get nothing
>>719600107
>>719574790>EKSHW>EKSSEX?!?!?!?!
>>719600254You've to pay around 2000$ to get the full character.
>>719600426You have not nor have you ever needed to spend any money to beat any of the 4 games listed above for over 9 years.
>play gacha>free>never spend a time>play through story casually whenever I feel like it>engage in some pvp for fun>play for a year>quityeah, im thinking, gacha gaming all day erryday
>>719574790>login to fill out your daily checklist which is split between 12 convoluted submenus for some reason>"play"
>>719600107Literally the only truly outstanding thing that Genshin has is its OST, the rest is just merely competent. The girls are good, but not amazing. The artstyle is great but visuals could have been better had it not been required to run on mobile. The story is readable but suffers from wordswordswords. The gacha itself is designed to give even the most impulsive retards a character every now and again but it isn't particularly generous.And yet it managed to give the Japs a bloody nose and continues being a money printer to this day. Just from mere competence.
>>719600254And they lose everything when the game reaches eos.
>>719600491Doesn't matter if you need it or not.If you want the full character and their weapon. You've to pay that much.
>>719600915>Hoyo game reaching EOSlol get fucking real nigger
>>719600927Why do you feel you NEED a "full" character?You can roll them once and still complete all of the story content.It's like saying you can't tell the time without a rolex.
>>719574790>"HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEELP!!!!! OUR GATCHAS ARE DYING!!!">The thread
>>719574790Even kids can pay!
>>719600927>a character isn't full unless I can press a button to win in 5 secondspathetic
>>71960107926m is enough to fund multiple AAA games
>>719598750If a story is told poorly it's not a good story.
>>719601079Oh look it's the chart that doesn't have anything but ios data and makes everything else up.
>>719574790This is bait. I would tell you fags not to reply but it's too late for that.
>>719574790it takes years to actually get what you want in a gachashit "game" without payingi'll stick to regular games that don't gatekeep content behind a paywall
>>719601242what content is gatekept behind a paywall in any of those 4 games anon?
>>719601242>it takes years to actually get what you want in a gachashit "game" without payingI can save a full spark on BA in about 2 months playing 20m a day, often missing days because I didn't feel like itPlaying genshin sporadically for 3 or so years and spending nothing on it has netted me almost any character I wantedDon't believe everything you read on /v/
>>719574790>Tech otakus save the worldcringe
If money is an issue, you could just emulate games. There are decades worth of them available. You don't need to cripple your enjoyment by running inside a hamster wheel.
>>719584838Yeah but every gacha is just a turn based RPG or an action RPG and what if I want to play another genre you fucking retarded pig? what if I want to play a game of a franchise with characters I like that isn't in the stupid chink gacha? Why would I force myself to play a gacha for years just because it doesnt cost money to me when I'll have to play the same boring ass game every day like a slave? If i have money I can spend it in whatever I want
>>719601517They saved the world by exploiting retards with gacha games! my heroes
>>719601510Imagine feeling proud about playing a gacha game
>>719574790From the thumbnail I though it said touch starved.
>>719599734>spend $3K on a PC to play AAA games>they outspec you by the end of the next year>spend $3K to play AA and indie games>you don't have to upgrade for the next 10 years
>>719601946Imagine feeling smug about telling lies on a tibetan yak farming forum.
>>719601612Money is not an issue. I could spend a lot on gacha because I am a single sperg who makes a lot of money in tech and just throws like $300-400 a month into an IRA because I don't know what to do with it. I don't use it on gacha because there's no need.I think the overwhelming majority of people who complain about gacha are doing it because A.) They are repeating the opinions they read on /v/ because they are too stupid to form their own or B.) They are the kind of people that can't resist the shiny jingling keys and swipe for whatever the game tells them to swipe for. They're the kind who buy battlepasses and skins and don't feel any kind of shame.Gacha is only playable by people who are resistant to suggestion. If you get the urge to whip out the credit card when you see a limited time "deal" then you shouldn't play gacha. There's nothing wrong with that, some people's brains are just wired different. If you avoid gacha because you are vulnerable to impulse buying then you are doing nothing wrong. Just don't project your own lack of self control on other people.
>>719601946lol, got called out and this is all you can respond withSad!
>>719586823I don't play Granblue anymore, but Dark having two EX weapons and Light having two Metatron spears are huge red flags.
>>719602121I'm not the guy you were replying to, but still kind of sad and pathetic that you feel proud about playing gacha games. What the fuck has gaming become?
>>719602149The siette sword nerfs in a game that almost never nerfs something is a red flagThe collab characters being moved to gacha only after years of them being free units is a red flagThe latest anni """rewards""" being a paid spark and some pocket lint is a red flagI just want the game to die alreadyGive me the schadenfreudeI want to see Cygames suffer
>>719602369Imagine being such a faggot you feel ashamed of playing a video game because some anonymous retards with a receding hairline and diabetes say it's bad
>>719601510>I can save a full spark on BA in about 2 months playing 20m a dayI'm not gonna defend anon's hyperbole but this is still retarded. Not only for taking 50 hours to unlock a tiny piece of content (which is FOMO'd btw) but also because of the timegating and enforced routine.
>>719602369I'm not the guy you were replying to, but still kind of sad and pathetic that you feel like you have to police what kind of game people enjoy. What the fuck has gaming become?
>>719574790>gacha>playPick one
>>719602558Doesn't bother meI play the game for a little bit then go play something elseI'm not going to look back on the handful of minutes a day I spend on lunch break tapping on my phone and regret it because I'm not a anxiety-ridden waste of space
>>719602573See >>719602107It's morally okay to tell people to avoid gacha.The games are designed to exploit people with no self-control.
>>719602782Thank you for your service. I'm sure a hero like you is going to make a big difference shitting his pants in a thread about gacha on 4chan of all places. Not all heroes wear capes anon!
>>719574790because they're racist against china
>>719574790post gacha gameplay
>>719602992gachas are VNs
>>719602910Keep crying shill.You're not getting new players.
>>719602992https://letmegooglethat.com/?q=genshin+gameplay
>>719602992https://youtu.be/Nc1BJqTZ3NU?t=1615
>>719603058Well not with you on the case! Keep fighting the good fight Mr Hero.
>>719588330>today, retard-kun learns that words can have multiple meanings
>>719602768You reduce it by saying "a handful of minutes" but you know in the long term it's actually far more than that. You can do what you want with your life, but objectively speaking, routines have far more value than you think, more than even the sum of total time they take. Letting your routine be persuaded let alone decided by unnecessary, arbitrary nonsense is a direct infringement on your self-determination. It's not actually an optimization to multitask with gacha. Consider all the other different things you could do with those minutes; if not other activities, just the opportunity to stop and think for a minute rather than chase away all the scary thoughts with low-engagement brainrot beneath even doomscrolling on social media.
>>719602768>>719603396That's right! Mr. Noseberg needs his third yacht and you're here wasting time on your lunch break playing a game you like. Fucking How Dare You! Get back to answering emails or this idiot on 4chan is going to be very disappointed you are not optimizing properly.
>>719603607You're misunderstanding. It's not a big deal whether you're optimizing your time or not, and either way it's better to spend your time for yourself than a shitty job you should quit already (in which case you're getting spitroasted by two bosses). I'm just dispelling the possible misconception that playing a gacha is somehow better if it's during your lunch break or whenever.
>>719601079>Even with all this they STILL don't include the JP PokePokeWe will never see just how crazily above everything it really is.
>>719593902*powercreeps u*
>>719580483So I'm a F2P player. I've been able to do all content in HSR, including getting 3* (top grade) on all end game content. I play maybe 10m a day, barring once a week where I play 40m. Explain how this is a job.
>>719574790It's because the "game" part of your games is terrible.
>>719601242>dlc existswoah
>>719574790it's because the average game consoomer takes enjoyment from paying, but has a relatively low cap for what they can pay. thus a steam sale with a bunch of $5 games with no other monetization, that they will never play is extremely well-received, but a game that actually expects you to play to earn things, or otherwise has a very high spending cap to speedrun progression, are very unpopular with consoomers because they aren't able to privilegemaxx at a price they can afford
>>719574790Name one gacha game that doesnt have repetitive gameplay in it
Real games aren't psychologically manipulative.
>>719574790>gacha>>pay nothingCome on now nigger.
>>719607716it's a free game?
>>719608018>Free
>>719574945This found have some foundation of an argument if DLC of all kinds didn't exist most buy to play games now.
>>719574790>Never ending game>No proper conclusion to the game>Will just EOSed and give you rushed ending>Fucking dailies>You can't get all characters or even maximize their potentials unless you paypigConsumer friendly?? Really? Tell me how many C6 you have>You don't need them, the character is still usable!Yeah enjoy getting cucked with low level shit while they dangle your waifu's bestest in front of you, constantly reminding you that you don't love her enough for not getting her to C6
>>719608687>c6>game was only designed around c0woah
Here's the thing with gacha, the demographic is a donut. Poor people play because they won't and can't spend money. Rich people play because money doesn't matter. Only people who are getting screwed are the middle class where people are actually susceptible to predatory practices, and even if they complain and leave the space, gacha will still be sustained by the poor and rich audience who frankly don't give a shit.
>>719608842>I like using shitty characters. No I don't need c6!!! Game is easy!!! Skill issue! No c6 doesn't exist, I got her that's enoughLiteral cope bro
>>719574790sounds like a you problem with paid gamesfor me in gachas every thing is jewified to the point even basic mechanics will be restricted or cucked somehow to make you pay for itif they ever have free cosmetics it’s designed to be ugly so you buy the paid ones, instead of paying for the game and unlocking shit
>>719609007In the case of Genshin, they take away cosmetics from whales. So there's that.
>>719608964yes, the game is easy
>>719609048they can’t even do fomo right the retarded roach fucksthe problem with free games is you pay with your time, not money and because people defend some of these things as being “not necessary”, you end up with a shallower and shallower experience
>>719574790>turd worlders really think daily chores are better than normal gameplay
>>719609239This isn't the first time hoyo has 'punished' people for paying money in their games. The whale audience may be masochistic, because it genuinely feels like they hate them a lot of the time. It happens too frequently to be coincidence. Or maybe they just hate Genshin in particular for being more popular than their other franchises.
Nigga, nfs most wanted and midnight club 3 came out 20 fucking years ago and I still can and DO replay them both to this day, there is no sense of fomo with either of them because i go back and replay it and its still the same fun game i enjoyed since the start.These live service games, you stop playing them and 10 years later suddenly the voice actors are different and the game is 200 gigabytes, characters are censored to comply with ever changing demands and laws.A game like twisted metal black is fun to replay because the challenge it offers brings reward to when you can finally clear the entire story mode without a game over with any car.Gacha games are "rewarding" because the content is the equivalent of jingling keys in front of a baby.Even minecraft has more substance and intrinsic value to it than any gacha game.
>>719599449Why quintile as opposed to quartile? What goes on in that 5% difference that changes things?
>>719609215>EasyOk, let's see how much you put "effort" on genshin and abyss. How much are you putting "effort" on gunsmoke in gfl2, how much are you putting "effort" to repeat BA raids. How much "effort" rotation experiment are you trying to get high score in BD2 raids, Nikke dupes to get that nice L2D background. Your "easy" is not paypig "easy". It's literal nothing>But but but I grind with literal soulless dailies to f2p my way and get those gemmies>Still not get the toppest gearwhat a cuck
>>719609631>grind with literal soulless dailies to f2p my way and get those gemmiesi don't, i play when i want, how i want>toppest gearunnecessary
>people are unironically defending gacha and live service ittbleak
>>719609932>No I don't need it>I play when i want how i want>I ignore content>I ignore content lol sucks to be uWhy are you even playing. What a retard
>predatory practiceYou can choose not to pay>y-you need to pay foYou don't>y-you get mogged by whaleMost gachas are single player and casual enough to be completed by f2p. There is no need to compare yourself with whale>you get suboptimal option if you don't paygit gud shitter>not having the strongest build is ignoring contentYou don't beat the game with cheesy strat, what's the different?>you are always weakerIt's about the journey, not the end game. Isn't that how it is for normal games? Why is it always end game that you people are thinking about when it comes to gacha?
Don't bother replying to BAfags. They're 95% seaNIGGERS. If SEA was region banned, gachashit threads would clear up.
>>719611315Genshins end game is so bad I have no idea how anyone could possibly get baited into spending hundreds to…get the equivalent of 5 cents in currency for doing end game content
>>719574790genshin>levels aren't real and you can only upgrade them by doing arbitrary dailies or buying from the cash shop>new characters can only be bought unless you save freebies for 3-6 months per character you want>new weapons as well>new areas are built like shallow promotions of the gacha entire continents will have 1-2 actual puzzles which fanboys will regard as peak>story has long since become a means of inconveniencing you so that you spend more time logged in boosting their metrics and becoming more psychologically attached obviously destroying the story itself in the process>there are no universal mechanics except the damage reactions on enemiesthis is a real game as much as a temu product is a real brand item
>>719611437With Genshin, the only ones with incentive to spend are content creators who need to stand out with click baity thumbnails. This in turn creates bitterness because it gains them views but doesn't make the game anymore fun for them, and naturally they resent the game and community for 'forcing' them to unnecessarily spend on things that don't matter.
>>719608229I suggest you read some of the replies, because I specify that while DLC are scummy, it's not the spending money aspect that's predatory, but the psychological association with not playing the game costing you money. DLC is scummy practice, but I'm talking about something else.
>>719612004don't pull for "x" thumbnails are annoying to see
My biggest problem with gacha is that whatever counts as gameplay there remains the same as after a week as after several years, you're pretty much just doing the same shit over and over, maybe with an occasional break in the routine where you need to change the loadout for one level. I guess it could be acceptable for people who only treat games as a mindless timewaster, but even then there are better alternatives.
>>719611315>Most gachas are single player and casual enough to be completed by f2p. There is no need to compare yourself with whale>casual enoughEnjoy your casual slop>git gud shitterAgain enjoy your casual slop and no gameplay. How the fuck are people enjoying such shit is a mystery
>>719574790>start by designing a character>make character's gameplay fun>start taking things away from character, like ability uptime, damage numbers, synergy with other characters, out-of-combat abilities.>lock original gameplay and stats behind a paywall that's 5x the cost of an ENTIRE GAME, just for ONE CHARACTER. Game requires 4 to be playable, designers take away 'fun' aspect whenever possible to drive sales. >release game in pieces>amount of original content in 5 years is equal to a single release of a AAA game; the rest is grinding artifacts - objects that have no relevance to the gameplay or world other than stat sticks (compared to actual 'armor', 'spells')>EXP doesn't have any relevance to gameplay. You can't level a new character by playing that character. You don't get stronger; you just get 'currency.'>Devs carefully and perpetually subtract fun so you're just angry or annoyed enough to spend money to make it fun.Christ I should write a book about this.
>Anons only comparing piss poor gameplay genshin>ignore every other gacha that you can't beat or get good scores without doing daily boring fucking 2nd job grind to get those gem scraps unless you pay fuckton money for the current content until it gets powercreeped>Wow so fun guys, so enjoyable!!!!unironic retards
>>719579871>fap>dont need to play gachaslop anymore>boots a real game
>>719612694Complaining about casualslop when Astrobot won goty. You tell me why this happens.
>>719613081>he touches himselfgaaay
>>719613128>Comparing full game to gachaYou get all content. In gacha you don't. In gacha you cope with what you get. What's hard to understand anon?
>>719613349Astrobot is a tech demo. The fuck are you on.
>>719574790more likeReal games>pay 0-70 dollars once>play the game whenever with no pressure>can replay it when you feel like it without needing to make a new account or something silly>don't have to fear some server shutting down or cry for more content, you can just mod it in if it's possibleGacha>pay what you want>most of the gameplay revolves around doing the exact same shit you do at lv1 but with bigger numbers later>grind grind grind, but timegated to boot>fomo everywhere, from events to character banners>story is either decent or total dogwater, plus it's NEVER finished unless you come back in 10 years to a dead game (assuming they don't shut the server before you even see it to it's ending of story)>constant powercreep in order to sell (or make you work for) new characters (optional)>draconian anticheats stop you from ever modding the game>terrible monetization should you choose to partake in itThis is coming from someone who's actually having fun with Wuthering WavesSure, I'm having fun now, but I'm already getting bored of the repetition one week laterThis is the fate of all gachashit - you play until the "honeymoon phase" ends and then it's either waiting endlessly for events that give you currency for gacha, or replay the same boring enemies over and over for only a fraction of the materials needed to reach max level (on one character)In short, I understand it's garbage, but I'm only playing it until I've cleared whatever content it has now and then I'll set it down and maybe (not likely) come back in a few years when it's properly updatedThis is the biggest pity about gacha games - majority of the players will never see the story to it's conclusion
>>719612705>Game requires 4 to be playable8 if you do genshin's "multi team" content, 6 in most other mihoyo gachas and other genshin-likes
>>719613396Seeing a story to its 'conclusion' doesn't matter. People have already been trained by Marvel to expect the next newest thing. Most regular people jumped off the boat at Endgame, and any reasonable person will jump off Genshin after their Endgame equivalent.
>>7196134538 in abyss. 12 in stygian. And a fuckton in Imaginarium. Vertical investment is not rewarded at all.
>>719613493Has Genshin even had an "endgame" equivalent?realistically, it would be the MC saving their sibling and finding out what happened to them and why, then ending that with either tragedy, revenge or salvation
>>719574790>Gacha>Play everyday>Not get everything even after 3000 hours>Pay 1000 and more>Still not get everythingFuck gacha garbage
>>719574790if you're playing a hoyo game for years then you could play any other game for years too, it's not like they have very much content
"real" games>a few piggies buy it for $80 to play Day-1>a few fat piggies buy it for $120 Streamer Deluxe Edition featuring a 3-day Head Start on playing>most sales end up being purchased on discount latergacha>a fair number of paypiggies maintaining a Battlepass subscription so they can maintain a decent amount of gacha currency>a few GIGA-LEVIATHANpiggies drop $2500 on a character banner because they're mentally ill>"Sales" only kick in when it shifts to cashgrabbing mode before End of Service announcement (see: granblue fantaji selling completed weapon grids for $ now)Publishers used to wish they had a money-printer like World of Warcraft, now they wish to have a money-printer like jewhoyo
>>719574790gachaniggers and mmofags are the same because their games are literally just grinding the same shit over and over again daily to watch the numbers go up. There is nothing to be proud of, since bigger numbers are not a show of skill but instead a reflection of how much time you have put into a game or how much trash you're willing to put up with. it's a shame because what little i've played of HSR seemed actually solid
I used to try gacha and just play the story but every time it's just the same thing: the main character is a giga Chad/Stacy while the entire female cast gushes waterfalls out of their vaginas over them. In maybe 40 hours of story there's maybe 2-3 pieces of good content that doesn't revolve around protagonist wank.There's good stuff in the optional character quests but goddamn they focus more on boring throwaway NPCs than the actual character themselves. Ultimately you end up skipping everything just for the rewards.The proper "way" of playing gacha is wait until near EoS then make a private server so you can eliminate all the grind by just giving everything you need and play it like a regular video game. The issue is that the big names are no where near EoS.
>>719574790Gacha gamers are the reason why black lilith stopped creating nukiges. I will never stop wanting to behead every single one of them.
>>719615056You can say that about every genre. JRPGs suffered the worst cause you can monitize fomo mobile slop easier with turned based combat. Between the gap of Tales of Berseria and Tales of Arise, there was 4 mobile slop titles. Remember, Namco was pumping out a new Tales game every 2 years for almost 25 years then stopped when they found out making gacha games required 100x less effort for 3x the profit.
>gacha games are made to attract whales>devs pull the plug if the game isn't protifable enough>players can do nothing but watch as the game they were invested into is taken from them foreverGachafags are cucks
>>719575232Name 5
>>719575601Playing any multiplayer game free now just means you’re staring at the same shit over and over while everyone else has cool skins and stuff. It’s not a deal breaker for me to play the base model but that aspect combined with SBMM, winning streak/losers streak, shadowban lobbies, scripters/hackers(crossplay) just makes me play single player card games it’s actually sickening to play multiplayer games if video games aren’t you’re job like a twitch streamer or something.
>>719574790>pay nothing>gacha doesn't make enough money, so they decide to shut it down>your years of progress are completely gone
>>719574790Real games are 8-40 hours and complete. Gachas get free DLCs every 6 weeks.
>>719613876>literally just grinding the same shit over and over again daily to watch the numbers go upWelcome to video games, son
>>719617354No, welcome to the world of freemium garbage enjoyed only by retards.Gacha is not video games.
>>719574790>EKSHWORLDwhat did they mean by this?
>>719616353Pick your flavor>Doom, Elona, Nethack, Dwarf Fortress, Spelunky>Barkley, Off, Hat World, Cave Story, Vestaria Saga>Chess, Go, Shogi, Mahjong, Solitaire>CatseyeXI, MHFZ, Ephinea, Everquest, SWG
It's funny that all the arguments against gacha games like Genshin which genuinely breaks the mold on a lot of things are just random hallucinations they made up. Like for example, Bennett, a 4 star character you can get for free is still the best character in the game. Also how there's no real gambling, they literally hardcap things so you'll always get what you want. The gameplay will always be permanent and you can play it at your own pace without anything.At the end it's just a good open world game, if you enjoy that you'll like something like genshin without ever needing to deal with the gacha aspects.
>>719602107>Gacha is only playable by people who are resistant to suggestion. If you get the urge to whip out the credit card when you see a limited time "deal" then you shouldn't play gachaWho the fuck do you think are funding these games you fucking idiot.
>>719613493>Seeing a story to its 'conclusion' doesn't matterIt does matter if you want quality. Something gachas don't have.
>>719619284>genchink>breaks the moldIt's gachashit with the "gameplay" of a freemium gook MMO that also wants to waste your time with awful "story" and dialogue.
>>719574790>Mihoyo as an exampleI sure do love playing my hecking games where the story will never end and nothing matters due to constant retcons and additions! I also love reading wordslop written by freshly hired interns!
>>719619284>Bennett, a 4 star character you can get for freeYou can only get bennet through the gacha.
>>719574790>>pay nothingyou know that's not true. even my poor balkan 800 euro per month salary ass would buy the battle pass if I really got into a gacha.never paying for currency though. fuck that
>Like for example, Bennett, a 4 star character you can get for free is still the best character in the gameHOLY FUCKING SHIT FUCK OFFGachaniggers are literally retarded. You're praising generic mobile game tactics like your favourite gacha is being super generousYou stupid fucking troon, EVERY chinese android game will give you a high level character with a bunch of stars when you start the game so you think that you can get strong characters for free and get addicted to gacha rollsBut it's all bullshitKys
>>719620009>arguments against gacha games are random hallucinations they made upYeah describes your post really well. Most anti-gacha fags know so little about gacha it makes you wonder why the fuck they're talking about it. It's like talking about video games to a woman, the thing she says are so mental you don't even know how to respond
>>719620415>noooo you'll be addicted to a gameBut I want to be addicted to a video game. When I can't put it down and want to keep playing, that's the state I want games to put me in. What the fuck are you even saying? This is the part where you pretend I'm forced to spend money and I say that in 5 years I spent 20 dollars, let's skip past that part
>>719621013And it's been long established that gachafags have little experience with gaming in general, even mobile games. Considering you praise generic tactics used by mobile/freemium games for many many years as examples of "OMG LOOK BRO IT'S SO GENEROUS YOU CAN TOTALLY PLAY FOR FREE IT'S NOT PREDATORY AT ALL!!!"Once more - you have your very own board. Why come here?
>>719620415>retardWhat you're describing is not the same thing as what that anon is talking about. Your retarded non-argument would only apply if Genshin gave everyone a free c6 Keqing; the ignorant new player would think they were given an absolute monster for free when in reality she's still mediocre because her constellations barely do anything.Go ahead and name another gacha that still has numerous launch low rank characters which are defining the meta five years later despite not buffing said launch characters at all.
>>719621013You might be illiterate anon.
>>719618007Every game ever made is about "grinding the same shit over and over to watch numbers go up". Hell, even chess
>>719621085Yes, I know that you're a low IQ drone who gets addicted to freemium trash. They fish for tards like you.>>719621140Uh huh. Sure.>>719621187You know nothing about videogames. Stay on your mobile game board and its discord.
>>719621013If I pay money, I want a concrete product. Fuck your gambling faggotry.
>>719621243>no argumentConcession accepted.
>>719615954Deserved. I'll enjoy watching gachaniggers seethe as devs delete their waifus from the database.
I don't get gambling addicts who post here.
>>719621289Yes, gachafags have no arguments. Any attempts just expose pure delusion and lack of awareness about tactics used by the mobile/freemium industry for many many years.
>>719602992https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SQm8ItpWxCc
>>719574790Gacha is like if you ripped all the terrible elements from an MMO and took them to their extreme conclusion. Hell virtual gacha basically started in Maplestory.The focus of the game isn't to be fun. It's to try to wring the player of their money and/or time. No, you don't "have" to pay, you'll simply grind every day for a few months instead. Will you have fun doing it? No. You'll probably bitch and moan about how you're not getting the right drops from monotonous tasks and then lost in the gacha. Then when the game throws you scraps, you'll go on about how "generous" it is. As a game it will never be "finished" either. The story must go on for as long as the gacha is alive. Then once it EoS's they throw together a rushed conclusion if you're lucky.Or I could just buy a game, have fun, and be satisfied without any of that. Something that's relies on being a good experience to get players and positive reception.
>>719600927That's like say if you want the "full game experience" you have to buy out the entire shop in games that have microtransactions.
After reading this thread I have come to the conclusion that anti-gacha people might be even more unstable than gacha players. Nearly all posts criticizing these games contains insults and buzzwords, while the ones "defending" looks calm and collected.
>>719622640Sorry, you're too late. I've already depicted myself as the chad and you as the virgin.
>concern trolling bait>frogposterOf course
>>719622640It's very common on /v/ to hate things they don't know anything about because the other 60 IQ election tourists hate it and they want to feel included.This isn't unique to gacha. You get this effect basically every time there's a popular game on /v/.
>>719605727if they added the fucking skip button already, the game would make 50% more money, I swear to god
>>719622640Anti gacha mostly comes from tendies, they still have a trauma with genshin and they hate how gacha waifus take space from their own coomer threads, add western developers mad because they are losing to fucking pngs
>>719622640I feel like all the gach advocates went spawn on the internet with the release of genshin and before that knew nothing at all about f2p shit or gaming in general outside of mobile garbage
>>719625085genshin has a huge 30+ playerbase that want a "job game" to fill the space left empty by mmorpgszoomers have too much adhd to enjoy the game
>>719609405underground 3 never
>>719574945>I am a weak minded faggot who will be unable to stop himself from spending money because otherwise I feel the FOMO or whatever new zoomer phrase Skill issue: the post
>>719581212>>719583878It's like I'm playing a game filled with ads. 60% of the screen is ads. I won't say this applies to all games, maybe there's a good gacha out there(lol), but a lot are like that. Some people prefer not being bombarded with ads-that's where the full product comes in.The implication is that this doesn't affect the gameplay. It does. The game now has weird unfun things like N/1-star items and collecting N items. This becomes an activity a game centers on, it's part of the gameplay, and it is balanced around that. If you played even 3 normal games, you'll keep "noticing" these things and how it differs from a normal game. You go and find out there's dailies and other time-related events and "skip fight" buttons. Is that the intended way to play the game? Because there's not an intended way to play. They want you to login all day and click buttons, whatever gives money, as a result it is shoddily balanced, the gameplay is worse than a designed game, but you need to have played 3+ other games to notice things.
>>719574790>play for a weekend>throw it awayDo zoomers really
>>719620162No you can get him with starglitter and he's been an event reward before.
>>719609546Why not just make it 50% then? Or better yet make it 99.99%. Remaining humans will be me and your fat assed mom.
>>719611421don't post my wife Wilbell in your shitposts.
>>719625307in my case, I only play gacha games because I have free hours at 7-8AM and 8-9PM that I can't do anything else besides watching tv or looking at my phone so I do both.
>>719574790I'll bite.There are 2 things that are fundamentally wrong with your post OP, as it assumes that:> A game's worth depends on the time you spend on it> The only thing you pay for a game is the money you throw at it directlyFor the first aspect (time spent on a game), the issue is that it doesn't take into account what you *do* within the game, and what *impact* the game have on yourself outside of it.Many (if not most) gacha games are built around gameplay loops that are "enjoyable enough" but that are not "too enjoyable", so that your game sessions will naturally (or forcibly, with limited game turns for instance) spread out around the week, with waiting mechanics.These game build themselves around the idea that they should become part of your daily life, almost like a second job. It's not the gameplay itself that is the hobby, but the cycle of "working" to get a chance at a virtual reward. You can play them for years, because they are designed to be played for years, but is it really valuable?Many paid games are self contained, and as you imply, last only a couple of days. However these games are selling on the premise that they will offer stronger sensations, which also does not rely on mechanics closer to those of casinos.There are many non gacha games (even, non video games, like sports and board games) that can also allow you to play for years with no additional costs; but those games tend to transfer more valuable skills that can be useful either in other games or in real life. It's also easier to make friends and stories about games that require long-term play due to training, rather than consuming practices.This criticism on time spent could be extended to game as a service in general to be fair, but even non gacha gaas are slowly starting to adopt gacha mechanics and/or designs.
>>719629103For the second aspect (money you throw at it directly being the only cost), there are many ways a game can make money without you throwing it directly at the game. Besides taking your available time (which we discussed earlier), some gacha try to monopolize creative output and thus, online presence. If you use twitter and follow jp artists, even if you don't play any of those gacha games, you will be swarmed by fan arts of gacha bitches (mostly from uma musume, blue archive, zzz). Multiple side-products like plushies, artbooks, cds, spin off anime, ... are available, and you will eventually buy some of this junk due to these games having an over-presence in your daily life.It's unconceivable to me how much soft power these gacha companies have now, despite relying on mediocre games.Not falling for these kind of games is unironically part of mental hygiene in my opinion. As a 4chan user if you really are a poorfag and wants to play games for free; just pirate stuff or play older games, you should be tech savy enough to do it. Your phone can already emulate thousands of well built games up to the wii u if it run something like genshin
>>719574790Obscene proposition
>>719631210you bumped the thread from page 10 just to post this? are you too stupid to sage?
>>719631210Thank you for your service
>>719628690I'm not shitposting. There's so much ESL in gacha threads. I seriously believe getting rid of south east asia will improve the board. It's part of their culture, they go from f2p game to f2p game being poor but obsessed with anime games.
>>719574790The only gacha actually worth playing are rhythm games, as the gameplay is entirely intactUnfortunately SIF/2 are dead, BanDori sucks ass (and is dying anyways) and a shitload of the interesting ones aren't even released here
>>719617251This logic is horrible. People usually get bored of games when playing it too long. It's nice to have variety and switch to a new game, even if it's a really good game. I just finished deus ex and it didn't overstay it's welcome. Now I'm on to another jrpg, an atelier game. Even within a genre like jrpg, there's variety if you compare a game like YS to SMT to Atelier. With gacha, you are playing the same game for years and years expecting it to never get boring. I get bored playing Skyrim with mods without hours and that's a game with endlessly added content and unlimited coom. Even has loli mods but it's the same shit game regardless ow much new content it gets.
>>719634116*playing them*its welcome*within hoursSorry I just woke up
>>719634116it's why they have bi-weekly events with various minigamesbesides, it's not like gacha players play ONLY gachas and don't touch "normal" gamesalso genshin is big enough to count as 10 games in 1
>>719574790Gameplay is amazing in GI.
>>719626128You don't understand what I'm saying, but you've still managed to hit the underlying issue. Practices designed to explicitly exploit the weak minded and weak willed are by definition predatory. Good job.
>>719637872It would be if not for all the mandatory unavoidable and unskippable wordslop.
>>719637872me when i lie
The shilling ITT is insane. I keep thinking this board has hit rock bottom but it keeps getting worse.
>>719574945the gacha system fucks the whole gamethe gameplay can't be too complex, 99% of gachas don't have actual gameplaythe story can't have stakes because it will make the players mad, the story will go on until it no longer makes money and it will end without a proper conclusionthe characters are just shitty generic tropes carried by designetc
>>719574790Gachas are such non-starters. They aren't real videogames. They're all immensely dogshit. Seriously. I've tried so fucking many of them.No, I don't pay full price for a game to abandon it after a weekend, I buy everything on a steep discount like most pc players do and I play for hours upon hours.Sorry I don't sign up for vapid "dailies"Notice how most gacha discussion on this site is pornography. You chucklefucks aren't even playing the game you just pretend to. Go fuck yourself you fake fucking third world SEA trash. That's the only demographic playing this shit. You're all too poor to play proper fucking games and everything has to run on a phone (it's the only device you own). Either that or you're one of the Asian cuckolds in a first world country watching WMAF happen in front of you everyday so you play loli lottery simulator to cope.Go fuck yourself you fucking sub-human filth. TBK. You living shit stain. Don't act superior because you play chinese gambling hypno games. You're not. Anyone and everyone sane (even your fellow brownoids) recognizes the waste that is your life. You piece of human filth."ohhh western games are uhh woke and uhh censored and uhh real uncensored (PORN and GAMBLING non-starters) asian gachas are holding the line!"I can just imagine you snickering in your brown favela ghetto school cafetria ""lunch"" room looking around at all the """normies""" (sane people) and thinking to yourself "they would never understand me like the balloon titted anime girl on my phone who treats me like a sugar daddy and drains my wallet but obviously can't put out"Hey, why don't you play the real gacha? Go out and start soliciting sex workers. You'll actually get something out of it.Fucking trash you are. Fuck you.
>>719634625>genshin is big enough to count as 10 games in 1Oh boy do I have a proposition for you. Here's your new key jangling simulator it's one million times better than genshin!Fucking trash fuck you.
>>719580452
>>719575168>But you can just.... not give them money.and then you only have access to 0.1% of the content
>>719575168Listen to this anon >>719641096https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sJNK4VKeoBM
>>719588330>buyyou mean gamble with a 0.3% chance to get the exact thing you want
>>719629103>Many (if not most) gacha games are built around gameplay loops that are "enjoyable enough" but that are not "too enjoyable"This is the biggest thing. I've never seen a gacha game with core gameplay that isn't inferior to an already existing title.To make gacha games even less fun, add forced waiting mechanics (energy systems to prevent you from playing the game too much lel), tedious daily missions, and pay to win, and you're better off just playing a normal game.
>>719632451someone teach these retard third worlders how to pirate games
>>719642982They can't afford a VPN that won't tattle
>>719642856what games still do that these days? with no actual hard price to get what you want, i know old ancient jpg collectors used to have infinite gambling but that models been mostly gone for a while now
>>719642234kek, exactly 10,000x better than genshit
>>719575168delet this
>>719643076>pirating through vpnnot even a real pirate lmao
>>719643284I need to pirate on someone's internet and I'm not doing mine.I'm a real pirate in the sense that I haven't paid to watch a movie anywhere in years but I'll bite, what should I be doing?
>>719627847There are no ads in Hoyo games.>60% of the screen is adsNigga stop playing Raid Shadow Legends and Clash of Clans.
>>719574790>ADHD coomer literally needs a hamster wheel just to not ropelol :)
>>719643153virtually every gacha game has a pity system by now. Though pity systems just prove that the gambling odds are absolute shit to justify rolling to the point you reach it
>>719574790>pay for game>get a nice full experience, even if short>play gacha>slave yourself to a shitty job-game for years on end... for what?
games like genshin, wuwa, BA and others literally gives players enough time to save gems to get any character they want without even having to spend a single dollar there>but I need to log daily so I can save that and I don't want thatso just keep playing with the free shit they throw at you. Or are you so bad at vidya that you can't beat challenges without having the Tier SSS10 character?
Thank you Monki for forcing the pity system in every gacha out there.
>>719642982they can't afford a PC.
>>719621858Full auto + RNG btw
>>719642382characters are the 0.1% of the content.
I like how you fags will bitch about repetition and grinding, but it's okay when you're doing it to not pay while indulging in mobile slop
>>719642234meds
>>719647126can i have some
>>719599727Most of them run on Unity, which is flexible enough that you can technically make "offline" versions of them if they die.
>>719643765It happens a lot in JP gacha, idc if you use the information to consolewar, genshi's problem is wordslop. riichi city, for example, is very cluttered. What do you call it when there's a banner for a character in the screen, or a pop-up tells "you have a limited-time offer to spend money!", or a count for your number of gems. In a very real sense, that might be called an ad(vertisement).This is very relevant in a discussion that presupposes playing the game without spending money. The premise is that I'm playing this f2p and not spending money, therefore, from my perspective, those things I'm seeing that have no relevance to me, are ads.
>>719608687Beidou.
>>719647815BeidouCHAD
>>719648005Robotwife allowed me to use Beidou and Candace in the same team without feeling weak.
>>719574790gacha f2p player>play the crippled version of the "game" for years>pretend to have fun because, hey it's freepiratechad>plays whatever the fuck he wants at any given time>accumulate massive library of games that they'll never play just because they can>would download a car
>>719648890>piratechad>>plays whatever the fuck he wantsThat hasn't been the case for several years now sadly...
>>719648981my cope is that trannuvo games are not worth it desu
>>719644691Kill yourself
>>719648890PirateGODS
>>719648890>noooo you must pick a team!
>>719646497Doesn't stop Brazillans from saving up decades of loose change to buy a Steam Deck so they can pirate Nintendo Switch games at 15 fps
Most gacha games are far less fun unless you fork over hundreds and hundreds of dollars. The game will treat banners as content, but it only means something to the people who have no other hobbies in life and fork over the monthly 500
>>719649423>fork over hundreds and hundreds of dollarsgreat way to ruin the game and make everything too easy
>>719649291>2 gachas>both mihomojust end your misery
>>719649556rest are just turnbase snores or crippled genshins
>>719649497The “content” you have access too is determined by luck unless you spend. Thats the fundamental issue, especially since lots of gameplay in these games is grinding and farming which stronger characters help out with. Gacha games arent usually hard and f2p is good enough, but its still a fundamental issue that unless you spend hundreds you cannot even come close to accessing all the new characters thar constantly come out.
>desktop gachawaste of graphic cards usage
>>719649671but i'm not interested in ALL characters, and the content is more than just them
>>719648981I'm in a similar situation, but it's less a lack of backlog and more of being stuck with a fossil for nearly 6 years. A 14 years-old HP EliteBook 8560p. Its CPU is beastly and can even run some modern games without issue, but the GPU is far too weak. Needless to say, the old silver one is completely incompatible with lots of modern shit like Vulkan and DX12, so Unreal Engine games are basically beyond my reach.You guys think 8GB is too little? Try playing shit with 1GB. Worse, since 2023 some games like Starsector and Rise of Legends cause it to black screen and freeze with no error codes whatsoever, so I had to underclock the damn thing.
>>719649767Actual new gameplay modes and bosses are very rare and typically happen once a year or even slower if your gacha games is older and getting less support. Years 1-2 are packed with content and get progressively slower all the time. I played genshin for 1 year when it was new and did not feel like i was swimming in content at all. I got tired of the game releasing cool new characters i couldn’t own and stopped playing.
>>719643076No third world court gives a shit about piracy. Hell most first world ones are lenient and just give a warning for seeding too much.
The funny thing about gacha is that if you just play the story, there's no reason to ever touch the gacha at all. The game hands you trial characters all built up. Even ZZZ gives you trial characters for some of it's late game content. Like what is even the point anymore? the only thing to actually build and roll for are extreme late game content that requires perfect team synergy and equipment that are out of reach for F2P and Dolphins.
>>719651064>gacha>story
>>719651064you roll for your wife and her swimsuit cosmetics/alts
>>719651779ye
>>719651064And then you realise that the story is pure shit.It's just waifu collecting, don't be stupid.
>>719650465I don't expect you to know about it but enforcement in many third world countries (most of SEA included, the really poor bits anyhow) is handled directly by firms hired by IP holders, not through the courts but through loanshark-like operations where they intimidate to recoup "lost revenue"
>>719652113i like genshin's
>>719652594I commend you for being able to endure hours upon hours of three pose unvoiced 'cutscenes' about small talkTruly Mihoyo follows the Marcel Proust philosophy of 'writing'
>>719652779who
Between Genshin and ZZZ I have given Hoyo about 300$ (80+220, I am the questionable audience). That's about the full version of one of those niche games with endless DLCs.
>>719652779The amount of Nietzsche philosophies in the story would surprise you if you gave it a chance patiently, /lit/ guy.
>>719652510Singapore is not third world.
>>719574790>play a gacha for years on endThat sounds horrifying. The most I was able to do was a couple months of Wizardry Daphne since it's almost just a normal DRPG. Key word was 'almost', though, since there was still time/money wasting elements and it had an awful mobile UI that had stall gameplay and call the server even for something as simple as closing menus or talking to a local NPC
>>719653253how much of SEA is Singpaore? Dumbass.
i've played most of the big gacha games in the space, and the only one that I felt respected my time and my wallet while giving a quality experience overall is Limbus Company.Of course this has fallen off a bit as of late with certain changes that have been made to the game, but even then I don't really feel like i'm missing out if I don't have every character's version, and even then for 90% of them even spending premium currency to roll for them is basically just early access since you can just wait a week and then buy them with the free currency.
>>719575565>AIEEE I MUST work every day for the pull!>me getting free shit, not spending a dimeFeels good man.
>>719584792>he thinks it's only asians lollmao even
>>719594670Onlyfans sucks, the whores there are ugly.
>>719656927I don't really care about people playing it, it's more believing that people should be aware of the tricks in place, that's why I make posts like that. The important thing is that you don't get to a point where you feel like you NEED to partake in dailies or patch events, because that's when it's a problem.
>>719651064It's not that you ''can'', it's that you have those sloppy "anything goes" mechanics like a trial character. You can, but is it good.
I'm trans
>>719599647>NaviaKinda hate that they let some murderous mafia leader run around not being in prison or anything, when the country's whole thing is justice.
>>719644691You don't see the problem with having to work 30 hours to acquire something you want but of lesser value than something you get for free?
