With today's trends and the seemingly mediocre sales of Delta? You can't bet. The trend is for youth to play Roblox, not console games. You need a good base of 12-17 year olds to be your core fanbase to have a healthy fanbase. Gamers are north of 30 now.

There hasn't been a MGS game since 2015! THat's a decade. If you're 15 you have never had a MGS game release in your lifetime. The youth don't know about MGS.

I don't think so, Delta seems to have been the final nail in the coffin.

There was never meant to be a 5. 4 wraps up the story.

>>719588890
Doubt it.

>>719589810
I think Big Boss's rise is a neat story arc, as well as fighting the Patriots and seeing what they ewre up to. Phantom Pain is kind of this weird side-story though in the end. Okay, so BB created a double and had him create a side operation while he built Outer Heaven? Is that what they're going for?

This could dovetail into Metal Gear 1 and 2 remakes and if they were done in the Fox Engine then it would have been glorious.

>>719589810
This but MGS2

>>719588890
Gamers would be too poor to run 6

>>719589738
>people still pushing the delta flopped meme with no evidence

>>719591753
its one guy

>>719591753
You don't have to believe me, but you have to be extremely delusional at this point if you think it didn't.

>>719592567
What makes you think that it did?

there already is
>metal gear surVIve

>tfw they never made an 80s themed metal gear that let you listen to out of touch by hall and oates
kojima just make one more metal gear please

>>719588890
yes absolutely but not anytime soon

>No Metal Gear 2 remake that ends with Snake looking over the ruins of the base and saying
>"Forgive me, Zanzibar Land..."

>>719588890
dunno, who cares?

>>719589645
>implying MGSV was good

>>719589810
PW is 5, V is a different arc

>>719594020
V is already in the 80's.
80's Afghanistan doesn't look like Vice City.

>>719594020
that's literally v you moron. hall and oates are in it. the game fucking sucked too.

>>719590202
Put simply, Kojima is a hack.
He would bitch and moan about not wanting to do another Metal Gear, but it was always for attention because he'd come crawling right back and demanding shit.

IV is a mess because he threw a fucking hissyfit that people still like Snake over Big Boss. He's eternally seething about Solid Snake being the most popular character in the series and killed him off for no fucking reason in IV just to get away from making stories about him.

At this point though, most you'll get is a MG1 and 2 remake.

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>>719591753
>>719593421
bro?
it clearly flopped

>>719594985
Kojima prefers BB over SS? That's weird because the only reason I like BB is because of how Portable Ops portrayed him after 3 lol. And he's just trash in PW and V.

Ban steam shart faggots.

>>719588890
Probably not, I don't see them making a game called 6. There will be endless subtitles like, Metal Gear Solid: Philanthropy, Metal Gear Solid:Revelation, Metal Gear Solid:Liquidation, but I don't see them trying to follow up on the main plot any time soon.

>>719589810
4 is what ruined the story forever

They basically plan to do remakes to train the new staff to get them ready for a new game. It panning out is another thing.

>>719590202
Already saw Big Boss's rise in Portable Ops and Peace Walker, and indirectly through V. What's left here? I know they weren't ideal but they already did this like 3 times over, ship has sailed. They kinda botched it but it's over. Metal Gear 1 remake is actually interesting though.

>>719596021
There is no new staff, you're being scammed. They outsourced it to the dogshit Virtuous while having some of their old freeloader staff copy and paste MGSV animations into the """remake""".

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Just remake Metal Gear 1 & 2 as a single game.

>>719594661
That wasn't implied, it was directly stated. Retard.

>>719595720
What in your mind would the game need to sell for it to not be a flop?

>>719589810
There was never supposed to be a metal gear solid 4 either. Or 2 or even 1 for that matter.

>>719590224
>anyone claiming there wasn't meant to be another after 2 or that it wraps up the story
>literally ends on a cliff hanger, Patriots still around, Ocelot dipping out with Ray heading for them, end credits says the original patriots dead a hundred years ago

>>719588890
If you can think of a plot that doesn't involve Raiden or a Boss origin story sure

after 4 and 5 i think its time to wrap up the series and leave it in the past.
remaking peace walker would be kino though

>>719596469
no reason to remake 1

Praying we get a Peace Walker remake that lets you run around costa rica listening to 70s music like dancing queen

>>719588890
With how long it takes to make games now I wouldn’t expect one for at least 10 years. All you are really going to get is delta tier remasters for 1 and 2 and maybe 4 and peace walker.

I JUST WANT A VOL 2 COLLECTION FOR FUCKS SAKE

>>719597201
Nigga I could die in ten years

>>719597319
I'm just being realistic. It took them like 4 years just to make the mgs3 delta remaster which was really just a visual update with minor game play changes. Imagine how long it would take them to actually come up with a new game.

There won't be no. A spin off like MGR maybe
Would love to see remakes of Metal Gear 1/2, but seems unlikely. More likely they might go the RE path and remake most of the main series. Wouldn't mind getting solid 1 and 2 with new cameras and controls

>>719588890
hopefully not

>>719588890
No
>>719589738
Delta seems to be doing pretty well according to the algorithm even though so far I'm pretty disappointed with how it feels with the new control scheme.

>>719588890
in name, probably.
will it actually be a real metal gear game? no. its like thinking the rings of power is canon because its made by the legal rights owner in current day

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>>719596684

What the hell would MGS6 even be about? Kojima rightfully steered the story so that any more sequels are pretty much impossible for Konami to make cash grabs out of.
>Big Boss and Venom get a 9 year coma timeskip where nothing happens
>Old Snake fucking old and is in no shape for more adventures
You don't want MGS in a Kojima-less world

Making a big AAA Metal Gear Solid sequel in this day and age is just not possible anymore. It would take too long and cost Konami too much and hardly anyone would buy it as the main people who care about it would be in their 40s and 50s by the time it comes out.

>>719597654
200,000 copies?

>>719597909
concurrent players, retard

>>719588890
No. And that's a good thing.

>>719596590
It was neither stated nor implied.

>>719597782
There's no room in the timeline for anything unless you start making big retcons, like Old Snake was a clone all along or everything after MGS1 was a VR mission type shit. It's why people keep asking for MG1 remake. Because redoing that very simple story with all the new shit from decades of games is the only place there's room to potentially add anything to main storyline. You basically have to reboot or go all non canon like Ghost Babel.

Metal gear... on the moon.

hire me Konami.

>>719597782
Make a Liquid prequel

dear lord the thought of them touching MGS2 scares me. Especially since John Cygan is dead.

>>719590224
This af

>>719588890
I fell off this series when it became mission based, ngl

>>719589810
ITS CALLED MGSV (vee) NOT 5 YOU NIGGER!!!!!

>>719589810
4 is pretty messed up but it is an honest to god ending, which is rare for Japanese shit that loves to leave series hanging forever.

>>719588890
Yes next week in magazines

>>719598001
Why would concurrent players be the estimate for a game being a flop or not? You realize by this logic you'd be arguing that Oblivion did better than Witcher 3, right? Or that Celeste was a flop? I'm assuming you'd actually say yes to this but do you also think Silent Hill 2 remake was a flop despite selling 2 million copies?
If your answer is yes to any of these, you are the cancer that is ruining this industry. Shareholders that push this retarded meme that 2 million sales is a flop are what causes the design by committee we see in too many modern games that are trying to appeal to as many people as possible to break through that 5m+ sale threshold.

>>719588890
no, there is no more story to tell. kojima spent the last 2 metal gear games telling the same story MGS3 already told with the ending cutscene because the snake story is over and raiden's story ended with revengence too

>>719598447
nips can't pronounce "v" properly so I don't believe you

>>719597782
boss prequel

>>719595981
3 is the worse of the fucking story you dumb fuck
omg in 4 its nanos not magic
omg the arm is not really real
you guys are fucking retards

>>719597782
What if they just came up with a new character and made a new game?
Make him blonde and call him Cobra, for a lol.

>>719596469
maybe look whats in these two games it just be remaking mgs1 with the mgs4 trailing mission

>>719597201
If Konami are going to remake the other games then they need to do Peace Walker, 1, 2

>>719597563
I kept hitting the wrong buttons during my delta playthrough because my brain is hardwired to play mgs3

>>719599834
peace walker is just ok stop it anon

>>719594985
>he threw a fucking hissyfit that people still like Snake over Big Boss.
SS was the main character of 3 and a half of the main line games (MG1, MG2, MGS, and the tanker in MGS2 and a prominent character in Big Shell). BB was only really an actual character in MGS3. What a weird thing to be mad about. I think a lot of people like SS because in MGS1 he had a lot of charisma and did a bunch of cool shit. It's as simple as that, really.

>>719597201
I'd be curious to see them remake 1, because they would pretty much have to change the gameplay in a big way.
I already quite like Twin Snakes, as is, but a third iteration that's maybe handled less sloppily than that, would be something.
The most disappointing thing about Delta is it really is just MGS3. They don't try to add new level layouts or anything.

>>719588890
I think that’s where Konami would inevitably like to go, however whether there will be an MGS6 will be entirely dependent on the sales of the rereleases and remakes. I think that’s what they did for Silent Hill and MGS is now getting its turn.

>>719589645
The last good mgs was released around 2006. So of course young people have no clue about the series

I'm interested in a remake, but MGS Delta is $70 and I just played MGS3 like a year ago. I'll just get Delta then.

>>719588890
There already was a MGS6.

MGS5: Peace Walker
MGS6: Ground Zeroes/The Phantom Pain

>>719599905
for me it's just the general feel of movement and the visibility. I've been raging through every part that takes place indoors because I didn't realize til now how much not having the old fixed camera for those parts kind of makes them frustrating for me. Also the camera is way too fucking close to Snake in it.

>>719598078
>Somehow Snake rejuvenated all the way back to his 20s.

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>>719597797

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cy08jr6jwn2o

Honestly this is just another sign the big budget 'AAA' industry is on its last legs and is gasping its dying breath.

We've seen what's happened with movies and the same is going to happen to video games. Gen z and especially gen a don't give a single fuck about these legacy IPs and gen x millenials are becoming increasingly poor and jaded as quality deteriorates.

Pandering to millenials rather than making something new and successful will ensure that the business model will die once millenials cease to be a strong enough market to support the industry. Put simply this is a sign the industry has reached its limits and at some point, maybe soon maybe not, a major correction will be on the cards.

>>719601019
Can you not switch to the fixed camera? Oof, game ruined. That thing is essential in places.

>>719601552
you can but you have to quit out to the main menu to do it. and also it still feels very different from the OG when you have it set for that.

>>719601023
desu, there's easily space for just another Solid Snake adventure if they want to make something either after 1 or after 2.

>>719598078
>go all non canon like Ghost Babel
fuck me a big budget remake of GB would be sick though

>>719601615
That's dumb as hell. you could just swap on the fly in the HD collection. It's incredibly useful in places, because it lets you see around yourself.

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>>719599834
Metal Gear Rising Revengence 2.

>>719601712
the reason they made it that way apparently is because the game is balanced a little differently depending on which way you're playing it. they made the soldiers' eyesight better if you're playing on new style whereas they are supposed to be like how they were in the original in legacy style. new style also added a drastic bullet drop to the mk22. but yeah like you said, being able to switch between the two cameras in Subsistence on the fly still makes it by far the best way to play the game, there are parts where the old camera is way better to use like during indoor sections and during some boss fights.

>>719601941
another thing I'll add, while the new graphics are very nice in some regards, they completely miss out on the mood of the original. Snake Eater is one game I can name where the brown and bloom piss filter actually worked in the game's favor. The new version has a "legacy filter" which is supposed to make it look more like the classic way but throwing a basic yellowish filter over the new graphics just ain't it.

I tried playing the master collection a few years ago, the cutscenes were long and pervasive and the story was pretentious. The stealth was fine but nothing like hitman or even the old splinter cell games.
Was this a "you had to be there when it came out to understand" series?

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guys is this good

>>719602249
mgs1 and 2 are not really stealth games in the same sense that hitman or splinter cell were. their flavor of "stealth" is almost arcadey and a large chunk of the appeal was the anime-like story, cinematic presentation, and cool boss fights. mgs3 was the first one that felt more like a proper stealth game and was much deeper in its mechanics regarding sneaking while still having that trademark story and presentation. and yeah, I would say they do have a "you had to be there" thing to them, they probably haven't aged as well for modern stealth fans who are newcomers to the series if they are looking for something more in with like Hitman or Splinter Cell like you mentioned.

>>719602351
No, don't do any retries next time

>>719595720
Holy shit lmfao. I thought the normalnigger appeal would be bigger than this.
Good, fuck Konami

yeah
they going to cut snake brain off and place it into a sealed robot body once his organs started to fail

but is a stealth robot not a combat one like raiden was
this robot can turn into a cardboard box or take other shapes,. its not about camoo anymore
is about shape shifting

>>719603184
nah, that's too much.

just make another clone at that point and make Old Snake the mission control/a major character, so you can hear David Hayter talk to himself for a combined 5 hours of cutscenes and radio calls.

Ah yes let's make another sequel that makes shit even more retarded than 4 and V.
>Wanting something taking place after 4
>What the?? Otacon is that big boss AGAIN
>No Snake it is I gaseous snake
>I am a blow up doll of big boss created by zero
>They used the ultimate fusion of nano machines and wololobachia to create a clone to surpass the clones that surpass big boss

>>719596684
Youd hope a AAA remake would get at least 80k to be a success

>>719603635
>gaseous snake
that's Johnny Sasaki.

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>>719594661
I love MGSV:TPP, but while it had great gameplay it was definitely unfinished and lacking in other areas. It was hard carried by its cool presentation, which especially left a mark on people who were and weren't familiar with the franchise (I fall in the latter camp).

I went on a mgs v cope video spree. Faggots will come up with any ass pull to make the game seem good in their minds, it's worse than dark souls lore videos
>Venom and Skull face are actually the same person
>Big boss orchestrated the whole skull face raid
And many other incredibly retarded theories

Remember when people were saying chico is a tranny and quiet is actually him?

>>719595720
that's genuinely surprising, usually remakes of famed games make dumpsterloads of unearned money. really doesnt help it runs like shit on most PCs, regardless of rig.

semi-related but; Is Epic ever gonna fix unreal engine coming default with all the "fuck your computer" settings on? it'd fix so many issues the most dumbass devs have, the infantile retards have less of a chance burning down the house when the floor isnt coated in gas.
Im sure they'll make the models have 8 gorillion polygons or something to counter that framerate daring to go over 20

>>719602964
>>719604134
People are learning finally.

>>719588890
I hope so because i just like Stealth games. It's my favorite video game genre that is currently dead. I wouldn't care if Kojima was involved at all, they just need to be competent tactical espionage action style games. Kojima in the grand scheme of it all was irrelevant, the gameplay is what was good.

>>719603902
there was all kinds of schizo speculation leading up to TPP on this board. I miss those days honestly.

>>719604413
its more like people are broke so day one purchases or preorders aren't really a factor anymore, if the global economy is shitting itself to death you have to purchase your videogames wisely.
I do not trust the common man to not throw their money away unless under the threat of starvation

Peace Walker and Metal Gear 1&2 are the only metal gears that actualy need remakes. Delta was good but what was the fucking point

started mgs1
im filtered by controls
watched video on mgs 1 story
so big boss = snake from mgs 3
big boss dad of solid and liquid snake
i basically played the prequel of all this bullshit (mgs 3)

ok dropping into mgs 2

>>719605439
if MGS1's controls filtered you, MGS2 won't be much better. MGS2 plays basically like just a more advanced version of MGS1.

Maybe we could have had the MGSV where the ending is you fighting the unwinnable battle against Solid Snake if Hackijima was too careful about the budget and not wasting Konami's resource on his autistic jap shit

>>719605439
Mgs1 is the best one

>>719603184
if they do anything like that, it'll be an AI copy of Snake, and it will have the combined personas of all of the Snakes, or something.

>>719606137
>Plasma Snake

>>719603902
Farewell sausage

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>playing mgs delta fir the first time
>snake torture scene
>get a boner

>>719603902
Wouldve been kino

>>719588890
I hope not

>>719606724
Average tranime

>>719596116
>Metal Gear 1 remake
That's just Metal Gear Solid

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>>719589810
Kojima went into every mainline MGS game besides maybe Peace Walker thinking it was going to be the last time he ever touched Metal Gear. I dislike everything after Snake Eater story-wise, but using the "Kojima planned for this entry to be the last one and the following entry was never meant to exist" argument as a point against V is mega retarded when that can be applied to every game in the series.

>>719607228
Kojima?

I don't know if you noticed but
1) The series finished chronologically with 4
2) It bridged the timeline gap with 5
3) Guy who made all games left the company

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>>719603902
That was always a joke and a jab at all the retarded theories floating around, somehow people started believing it. Kinda like flat earthers

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>>719596930
If Kojima intended to do a full sequel to MGS2 and answer all the questions it left, he would have done that instead of making a prequel.

>>719596469
You described MGS1

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>>719604958
MG1 and MG2 don't need remakes, if you want to change them to be more in line with the later games all you really have to do is add all the retcons from MGS1 into MG2

>>719607656
Why do people keep parroting this faggot ass shit. MGS1 is a loose reimagining if anything

>>719605439
There's no point in playing MGS2 if you haven't played MGS1, it's going to be a butchered experience

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>>719588890
Konami is an embarrassment so I don't really care.
They should've just done spinoff games with the gameplay loop of MGSV. Improve the open world and enemy bases, expand the multiplayer mother base stuff because that was amazing.
Add co-op. Imagine basically Ghost Recon wildlands, but good.

It's a spinoff so people won't care if the story sucks. Do a few tasteful homages, and keep it grounded to military shit

>>719588890
Why would you want a MGS6? Everyone relevant dies in MGS4 and there already are way to many prequels focusing on BigBoss. What more could you possibly want?

Been playing Delta for the last few days and I'm going to be honest, I don't see any reason to go back to the original. Even when Delta has its issues it still feels like the definitive edition for MGS3
>B-BUT MUH PISS FILTER SOUL
Just install reshade or something

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>>719607946
We still haven't gotten this though!

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>>719588890
The game was supposed to end with MGS4 and Raiden was supposed to continue the story. With that being said, MGR 2 should be coming out next year I think.

the fictional guns piss me off so much

>>719597654
I know this is bait but
>several players buy it day one
>all log in to play
>refund within 2 hours
/v/ really has become insufferable to discuss anything

>>719607946
A pretty substantial portion of video game players just want to clap when they see a face they remember.
It's like a soap opera but slightly less gay and you get to shoot people. Look at Resident Evil series. People genuinely watch animated films of that shit.

>Ohhohh Leon's back. what's he up to man....what's he doing

>>719608257
Well since MGS Delta runs so well I'm sure no one refunded it

It would just have to be Metal Gear Gaiden or something, which PW and V stretch to the extreme. The story of V concludes at the end of MG. The series did a complete loop back to its first entry. I think the obvious answer now (aside from MC Vol.2 of course) is an MGS1 remake, and then it's question marks after that. I honestly do not think they'll remake MG or MG2. MGS2 is a big meta riff on MGS1 but MGS1, also, is just an iteration on so many of the things Snake does in MG1 and 2. Blowing up walls, fighting a helicopter with a stinger missile, finding key cards and items--and even if they remake MGS they'll have to figure out what to do about the audio. I would wager that they'd use some Peter Jackson type tech to just clean up the supposedly messy recordings of MGS1 but if they remake the older games, what then? New VO? A 60yo David Hayter trying to voice a 25 year old Solid Snake?

I think Peace Walker is the only choice that makes a lot of sense. It's an interesting game that has handheld roots that show thru in a very noticeable way. It also has the worst VO and storyline in the series but part of that lies in how shitty the presentation is, I hate that motion comic shit. Silent Hill can be whatever it needs to be but Metal Gear doesn't have nearly as much room to breathe and unless they're doing Revengeance 2, I think there's going to be even less goodwill towards any attempt at a big swing. A MGS remake makes a MG/MG2 remake impossible and vice versa. A PW remake is a dead end because V/GZ have zero need for an update.

Still--I am fascinated to see what they do end up taking on, because obviously they aren't going to give up this golden goose now that they've just dusted it off. Can't wait for PHYSINT, in any case. Death Stranding is already insanely referential towards Metal Gear and I think PHYSINT will swing scarily close to the source material, even if the names are changed.

>>719588890
you fags can call him a hack all you want but Metal Gear without Kojima just isn't Metal Gear. him being a hack is the straw that stirs the drink. MGS6 would just be fanfic

mgsv was really when i realized that everything good in the world was dead and all that was left was picking at corpses of things for scraps of value.

>>719596469
It's amazing that people are so afraid to play these games. Nobody seems to know shit about them.
>remake them as one game!
OK dumbass. So in the first half of the game, you'll explore two enemy bases with an outdoor area in between, acquire all the keycards twice, paraglide from the roof twice, fight Metal Gear twice, fight Gray Fox twice, fight Big Boss twice, rescue Dr Madnar twice, blow up walls twice, and fight a helicopter with a stinger missile twice?

>>719608239
>Raiden is bitter and broken in MGS4 only to regain his humanity and his family at the end
>so he can go on more missions??????

>>719609031
he can still try to help people without being mindfucked. trying to retread a self-discovery arc every time he appears totally hamstrung his characters

i kinda want a sort of retcon of the 21st century games or an alternate timeline that starts after the end of snake eater. Cus with a clean state after SE its possible they can create a story thats not as convoluted, plus I feel BB has overtaken solid snake as the more popular, likable and interesting MC, people love the character, and having more actual adventures with BB and gang would be great desu...

>>719609208
Revengeance being so good was basically a miracle. Konami certainly owns whatever material existed on either the original Metal Gear Solid: Rising concept or the prequel-prequel about The Boss that was being developed prior to Rising, I wonder if they would ever consider going on that direction. They now have models for The Cobras to use, and an engine, too. But that would also mean writing new chapters in the MG story entirely without Kojima.

>>719607198
No it isn't you retard, that doesn't have Big Boss in it, it's a sequel

>>719589645
I’ve just realized why majority of Sony moviegames are about being an emasculated dad, they’re meant for a particular group of millennials. Kids loved the genocidal maniac Kratos, that deconstruction in Nu-GOW was clearly forced.

>>719609031
Don't worry about it man, Rose isn't even real, it doesn't matter.

>>719609445
I'm hoping this is the case for Delta, some sort of alternative story with the same cast
They don't have the balls to do it though

>>719601183
I guess I don't see what the point is. The video game industry is deeply poisoned at the highest echelon, sure, that's a given. But I don't get this demographic crisis.
>WHAT ARE THEY GONNA DO, MAKE GAMES FOR AN AUDIENCE OF 40yos?!?!
Well what's the fucking problem with that? There are people who are only in their mid 50s who are older than the fucking medium of video games themselves. I totally understand why companies want to make Roblox money, of Fortnite money. But unless those companies are Roblox or Epic, that's out of the question--thought it won't stop them from continuously making ill-advised 500 million dollar gambles. Here's the thing about 10 year olds: they don't make any money. Meanwhile my old ass makes a little teeny tiny bit of money and I will spend it. And I'll spend it on games. The idea of having a demographic that is 30-50 isn't exactly poisonous. I'm not sure what is being implied, besides the fact that the biggest movers and shakers in the games industry are in deep, deep shit. But it's their fault, their poor decision making.

>>719609603
>I’ve just realized why majority of Sony moviegames are about being an emasculated dad, they’re meant for a particular group of millennials. Kids loved the genocidal maniac Kratos, that deconstruction in Nu-GOW was clearly forced.

yes, the sony movie games are meant for men north of 30 who are dads. It's why so many feature fatherhood and why we must be better men nonsense.

>>719609445
What do you mean, like random shit with Zero, Paramedic and shit? I don't like that at all. I feel like the whole appeal of Big Boss is the inevitable descent into villainy. If you want to remake that whole arc, all of PO, PW and TPP, then I'm up for that though.

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Here's what I think Konami might do if they make more Metal Gear, based on what we know. (and what I personally want from it)

>New Raiden game, not Rising 2 necessary, could be new MGS
>Metal Gear Rising writer Etsu Tamari as writer, possibly director
>Co-developed by Konami and PlatinumGames, latter already worked on Delta with Guy Savage
>Bring back the unused MGS:R script, apparently it was very good, but too dark to fit a stylish action game
>Set between MGS2 and MGS4, you play as both human and cyborg Raiden (This was in the MGS:R script)
>Gameplay is a blend of MGSV and MGR, stealth is very close to MGSV, but combat has more sword elements
>More open levels for combat and stealth, could maybe bring back the focus on cutting? Although this is why MGSR was cancelled in the first place.

I don't think it's too far-fetched personally. Rising was always intended as a Kojima'less project so bringing it back would sting way less for diehard fans. Raiden saving Sunny and becoming a Cyborg is a big hole in the timeline and the story literally exists and is written.

>>719609850
It's just math. It means your audience is continually shrinking because of people aging out of gaming, while budgets are going up and up.

I think we're gonna look back at 2024-2025 as the AAA bubble bursting and the beginning of the end of that model.

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>>719609031
The entire plot of Revengeance is that all the military guys from MGS4 couldn't adapt to the war economy-less world so they wanted to continue and perpetuate that themselves now that The Patriots isn't around anymore. Raiden himself is unknowingly a part of this, heading straight back into the blender as you and Sam have pointed out, despite having a happy family to settle down with because he only knows how fight and kill people.

In the context of the franchise, it ties back into Big Boss's vision of having a place for soldiers to belong and pic related.

>>719610436
Which kinda feels like a bit of a repeat of Solid Snake. Can't quit the war addiction

Don't know if this is the right thread for it but is Portable Ops a canon mainline entry or not? Is it important to the Big Boss story?

>>719609497
>writing new chapters in the MG story entirely without Kojima.
yeah but it's also one of the easiest places in the timeline to fit them in in a way that doesn't step on the toes of any of the kojima stuff, i think it's probably the safest option in that sense. just a couple vague plot points to hit and they can do whatever without contradicting the very barebones stuff you get in 3.

plus it could be cool to see a more limited and crude 40s take on the sci-fi elements, kinda go for a popular mechanics vibe

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>>719610675
I mean that's how it is for Big Boss and his games too, it's the theme of the series man.

>>719610728
>Don't know if this is the right thread for it but is Portable Ops a canon mainline entry or not? Is it important to the Big Boss story?

It's soft-canon, meaning parts of it are canon while others have been retconned, yes its stupid

>>719610828
Does every character need the same inner conflict at that point though

>>719595981
No it's 5 that irreparably ruined the story dumbass

>>719610931
5 doesn't matter. 4 revealing the Patriots were the MGS3 cast is what ruined the series forever, part of why every subsequent story is also bad.

>>719608375
Considering it actually maintained a stable playercount, no, I don't think they did.

>>719607435
Looks like Caramel schizophrenia. Kojima maniacs should be exiled off this board after the ABANDONED hoax.

y'know, looking at reactions about this game, it's kinda fucked up how two generations(zoomers who never played MGS in their youth and Alphas who are like 15 now) are gonna have Snake Eater as their first MGS and an already formed attachment to Big Boss as this Hero character.

>>719608375
I always hear the “everyone refunded” has there ever been a case where this is ever true. Most people don’t refund shit. In general

>>719611086
>has there ever been a case where this is ever true
Cyberpunk 2077 on release.

>>719610916
Well in Raiden's case it just happens to align with what the Snakes have went through, his actual character conflict is coming to terms with his past as a child soldier after struggling with it in MGS2 through MGS4. By MGR's ending, it's made clear that he isn't putting down his sword just yet and is now a... vigilante. No idea where they can take him in terms of character from that point on since his character arc is complete but that's their problem to figure out.

>>719601815
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>>719609891
yeah have like the next game have them, but in that game we see more glimpses of their descent. Snake eater does a poor job of showing what they would inevitably become, i guess we kind of see it with some of para medics dialogue about genetics and cloning but we dont really see shit with sigint and zero. Their names just come up again in 4 with a "oh btw turns out the snake eater crew are the big baddies". The new games could do a better job depicting that fall for the crew. I havent played PW though, all i know about that is what you get from mgs 5 but how i understand it, in portable ops, not much has changed in relationships, but by PW alot has been skipped and BB has already fallen out with the crew already, we get a good view into BBs fall (i guess... if you can call it that) but for the rest of the crew its poorly developed, new games could fix that, in a better way than what mgs5 tried to do

>>719588890
Who would want that? Unless Kojima wanted to do it there’s no point. Even Delta is cutting is so close, because you know some situations he’d probably choose different and in some scenes it almost looks too shiny/plastic to me. A non Kojima MGS wouldn’t work.

>>719611220
Raiden is a fucking disaster he just loves killing, the only place to take him is the next mission. I don’t want to see him again though there’s no point.

>>719588890
MGSV already feels like a shitty attempt at MGS:PW 2, it'd be nice if they actually made good non-portable evolution of PW but attempting it again seems redundant

>>719611273
who those other guys that wrote it with him? The people who reportedly had to hold back kojimas shitty ass script and decisions? maybe it could work with those dudes, apparently theyre the ones who made this whole mess coherent in the first place right?

>>719609603
It was the same thing with death stranding, I felt silly rocking my ps4 controller back and forth for bb.

They should have fixed V with an expanded Definitive Edition TPP. There was stuff that was cut and they could probably add some of the other things that were in Kojima's notes and development docs

If they were going to do Delta, why not add new content? A visual upgrade is okay and all I guess,but a new full price title that's basically a UE5 mod recreating MGS3 Subsistence? Not necessarily a great value.

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>>719609947
the main problem that the prototype had was in terms of balancing the ability to cut anything with the stealth/action gameplay, raiden was too overpowered and they said that they had no idea how to make a fun game out of that. the whole thing was on the verge of getting binned until platinum came in and... sidelined the whole "cut anything" thing to be more of a gimmick on top of their typical action stuff.

if they ever revisit this period of the story timeline then I imagine they'd be less burdened by making pic related work and maybe just make a tenchu clone or something.

ngl i'd play a full Guy Savage game.

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>>719609947
>>Bring back the unused MGS:R script, apparently it was very good, but too dark to fit a stylish action game
what script?

>>719611407
Nobody really held him back he directed all the main scenes and had the lions share of the direction.

>>719611468
He felt way too overpowered for a Platinum character, it felt like I was playing Final Fantasy with all those particle effects

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>>719599781
He's not blonde, but the Unepic dev actually made a pretty good spoof/homage , UnMetal. Plays and set up like a top down Metal Gear 1 / 2, but with more depth.

>>719595720
>Series that's been making names primarily through consoles
>Remake of a PS2 game, PC remaster was only released 2 years ago (which nobody played as most already played it on the consoles)
>Mediocre Steam stats
no way really?

>>719611220
His character arc was also complete after 2, and after 4, etc.

>>719608052
Yeah same, it’s honestly kind of sad. Considering Kojimas work is going to get backseated like so.

>>719611251
Snake Eater does an excellent job of that for Big Boss. All the motivation and explanation you need, it's just a matter of time after that. It doesn't do anything with the rest of the cast because that was a retarded reveal from a joke game. One would imagine PW or PO would've done that, but it seems no, everyone agreed the fucking MGS3 support cast are the Patriots thing was completely retarded and there's really no way to salvage it unless we reveal they were all replaced by Snatchers 1965 or something.

>>719611734
2 felt like the best ending for him honestly, very nice and hopeful only to lead into “yeah he gets drunk and doesn’t come home” with 4. It makes sense tho obviously people can’t just change like that.

>>719611734
yeah and they already undid those twice, three times is a bit too much but luckily they ended MGR with him still being a wacko

>>719611457
I feel MGR already came up with a good compromise for the cutting mechanic
>have weaker fodder enemies that are just fun to cut through
>Have stronger enemies that need their armor broken so you can't just immediately kill them
>Have objects in the enviroment that can be cut through, but the general level design can't be.

The wholesale approach just doesn't work, I'm not even sure fans would want a Red Faction Guerilla of Metal Gear, that's not the type of game people play the series for

>>719611407
People are just trying to force a narrative that's the opposite of the rejected paradigm when they say Fukushima was responsible for everything good about the series.

That said, Ghost Babel, Portable Ops and the two Acid games were written without Kojima, and afaik those writers are still active.

>>719611220
I saw his arc about accepting truth of himself as well as finding his own identity free from manipulation and fantasy. Which makes it funny he turns into a Gray Fox clone and then has basically the same problem Snake had in his games.

AAA gaming is dying, or at least hit its peak and it will NEVER reach that again so it's downhill from here on out. There's also a rising tide of indie-slop on Steam, that is just so monumental it drowns out anything. Valve doesn't care about quality control, it makes its money selling 10 shit games as it does 10 good ones. The more slop and noise the better, as they profit from ti, and thus they act like a social media site.

>>719611828
It makes sense for a real person with that level of trauma for sure, but it's still pretty deflating for a work of fiction. Especially since it feels like retreading what previous games and characters did. idk what you could do instead though, something like Delta Green's bonds system?

>>719611481
>what script?

The original script had the villain of the game capture and torture Raiden, ripping off his jaw and beating him to the point of death, then he turns Raiden into a brainwashed cyborg, you were forced to kill innocent people in a "would you kindly" Bioshock meta-narrative kind of way. Tonally it didn't fit PlatinumGames and you also played the first third of the game as human Raiden which didn't fit their gameplay either, so it was shelved in favor of a script that takes place post MGS4.

>>719605439
Do not play 2 without 1. If you have problems with the original controls then either
>Play MasterCollection Vol1 on PC
With or without mods, but really the controls are part of the experience. If its really an issue for you though
>Emulate Metal Gear Solid: The Twin Snakes for Gamecube, via Dolphin emu.
Twin Snakes is basically the non-fixed-camera remake of MGS1 with some graphical upgrades> It does have some cinematics that add more Matrix-like acrobatics and some felt it an unusual stylistic choice, but many enjoyed it as an alternative to the original MGS1.

>>719605439
I would watch a movie version of MGS1 for the full impact of 2. 1 has aged though it’s hard for anyone who’s not squarely in millennial tier.

>>719609947
>>719611457
It's a shame what happened with MGR, I preferred the slower but meatier combat of the protoype. Playing as Raiden on MGO2 was fun as fuck and I was excited for the game that developed on that.
Revengeance was OK but it just felt like another stylish-action Platinum game, fast pace is cool and all, but it's all floaty and everything cuts like paper. It was not what I expected from the beefy combat of the early E3 trailers.
Too bad even if they decide to make MGR2 they'll most likely hand it over to Platinum again as people expect MGR to be a stylish-action game now. Never forget MGR prototype :(

>>719588890
You could never properly create a MGS6 because the Kojima-led MGS were written in earnest, anything created afterwards would be nothing but a recreation. You'd have to lead with an extremely strong script that believes in itself, without any playable female characters, and simply the rot culture wouldn't let something like that be created.

>>719611457
Metal gear delta is a complete joke to play even on extreme, even a mid tier aimer can headshot any number of enemies before the AI even alerts. But this doesn't make the game any less fun just because you can fodderize the whole game

if an MGS6 is ever made, what are the chances they put Invisible by Duran Duran in it to get normalfag attention?

>>719612328
That webm footage of MGSR was completely faked, the 360 and PS3 literally couldn't handle graphics and destruction like that. The only part of MGS:R we saw that was actual real gameplay was the watermelon cutting tech demo, and they showed that because it was literally all they had. They couldn't figure out how to make an actual game out of it

>>719612529
It's not gonna happen because in the last decade children haven't replaced the "gamers" who aged out. They're playing totally different kind fo games that act more like social media and user generated content machines. Gaming is fucked. I think it's just gonna be a sea of endless indies and live service shit and that's it.

A single player experience? Stories? Experiences? gone.

>>719612767
>A single player experience? Stories? Experiences? gone.
we have gotten multiple succesful single player games this year.

>>719612986
The issue is the trend: kids are not playing games. "games" are an old man hobby now. There's only so much you can milk from that and it has diminishing returns each year. How long would a new MGS take? 4 years? 8? What would the state of the market be for AAA games be by then? Likely much worse.

I give it 10 years of "gamers" and the entire thing collapses. We may not get a PS6.

>>719612767
Nah this is ultimately a good thing, gaming is going back to the pre-360 era where its a big but not this massive behemoth apart from a handful of titles which are literally just becoming "those games". A few will hopelessly try to chase that audience but indies and AA games will realize that if you can't make a profit at 1 million copies sold you need to reduce your bloat and scope.

>>719612462
This is the reason entirely. MGS6 couldn't be created because we forgot how to make a Metal Gear Solid game. Member berries videogame wouldn't cut it.

>>719613152
I'm sure they could still pull it off. The Resident evil series has been doing fine for decades without its creator

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>>719589810
3 > PW > 2 > 1 > V > 4

>>719613273
Resident Evil was never as directly and closely tied to it's creator the way MGS was to Kojima. Very few game franchises in general are.

>>719612096
>you were forced to kill innocent people in a "would you kindly" Bioshock meta-narrative kind of way

Manhack Arcade would probably be a better way to go about it. He's not being forced to do it, he's being tricked into seeing civilians as hostiles and willfully murdered them thinking they were attacking him. Slip in hints like the Game Over screen glitching out or a vision mode slipping glimpses of the real world before the midpoint revealed you were being used.

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>>719613080
Old men can't sustain a gaming industry alone. They have jobs, families, and will only play a handful of games.

People are buying the PS5, but sales of actual software seems very mild. Why? What are people even playing? I think it's a handful of new games, and PS4 titles, and shit like fortnight.

I think there's too many god damn games in general.

isn't kojima working on a new stealth game anyway? Basically will be mgs6

>>719612462
>>719613152
Kojima had nothing to do with MGR's writing and its the most entertaining Metal Gear story since MGS3. His plots have just become worse and worse over the last 20 years, it feels like he has an idea for the general themes he wants in the game but then he uses really hacky gimmicks like nanomachines, vocal cord parasites and chiralium to get there. His macguffins are just really bad

>>719613406
Yes, Physint. Won't be until after the tranny horror game. Maybe we'll get a better name for it at least at the Beyond the Strand thing he's doing soon

>>719613332
creatively, it was, they just wrote him out of the narrative of its development after 1

>>719612536
It doesn't matter if it was faked or not, it was clear it didn't even have a gameplay.
What I'm saying is that that how Raiden controlled in MGR should've progressed from MGS4 engine's Raiden (MGO2 Raiden), which is what they were clearly going for in the 2010 trailer, instead of full-on Platinum game.
I can see why they struggled with balancing because MGO2's Raiden was game breakingly OP too, but man slowly walking up to an enemy with a sword deflecting bullets felt satisfying as fuck, over current Raiden where he just runs like Sonic and automatically deflects everything.
I think Platinum tried recreating that feel with Jetstream Sam DLC, but even that didn't feel the same.

>>719609445
Ghost Babel 2 baby!

>>719608540
>I would wager that they'd use some Peter Jackson type tech to just clean up the supposedly messy recordings of MGS1
It's called AI and everyone uses it to clean up audio nowadays
>A 60yo David Hayter trying to voice a 25 year old Solid Snake?
Snake was 30 when MGS1 took place.
> A MGS remake makes a MG/MG2 remake impossible
No it doesn't? You're just being pessimistic for some strange reason.
>A PW remake is a dead end because V/GZ have zero need for an update
What the fuck are you even talking about? How would remaking PW affect either of those games in any way? They'd just be remaking the cutscenes, implementing the same controls from Phantom Pain over to Peace Walker, I fail to see the negativity in any of this.

>>719613436
It's entertaining because of hilarious memes and the over the top tone. I wouldn't say it's an amazing story and I don't think the tone and style would work in more traditional Metal Gear games.

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>>719588890
I hope not. Kojima's autism was the heart and the soul of the entire franchise.
Maybe pump out some remake/remaster slop every now and then to keep the series in public consciousness, Delta was pretty alright. Aside from that it's for the best to let it rest.

Last I heard Kojima was developing a successor with his studio. They prolly have next to nothing atm, but whatever it is has my attention. His brand of tacticool is my drug.

>>719613862
MGR's writer worked on Peace Walker and TPP too, and he specifically didn't use the MGSR script for Platinum's Rising because it didn't tonally fit.

after two games, i still can't see the appeal of Death Stranding desu.

>>719614228
There is none. It was just "kojima makes a new game with good graphics". Kojima's name was the only thing that was making people interested. There was real hype when it was announced. The boring walking sim killed most interest. A lot of people gave it a try first time, but people ducked out for game 2.

>>719614228
When DS works it has a kind of zen'like quality of feeling like you're on a journey across a beautiful desolate land. But like a lot of Kojima games there's a lot of times it doesn't work, but I admire the attempt

>>719614228
when I played it felt like resident evil but instead of a corridor it's a continent it was great

>>719608540
>A PW remake is a dead end because V/GZ have zero need for an update.
nigger there's a remaster of fuckign TLOU on ps5

>>719595720
>>719602964
>>719604413
The game is good, if you believe otherwise youre retarded

>>719614834
>resident evil but instead of a corridor it's a continent
what?

>>719614060
MGR is not canon and never will be. And despite what gigantic ego Kojima wants to tell you, neither is PW or V. They are spinoff slop. Just because kojima says theyre canon doesnt make them canon. It was 1-4 and thats it.

Is it too late for a Cobra game? WW2 Boss would trigger culture war shit.

>>719616025
>WW2 Boss would trigger culture war shit.
why?

>>719608540
>The story of V concludes at the end of MG.
Kinda. We don't get to see what Big Boss does between 84-95 because of the Venom shit. Just hear the stuff that Grey Fox and others say. Because Phantom Pain suggests that Big Boss is in hiding with a fake fuckin face and everything since he gets your avatar's passport complete with the face and everything, then the only way there isn't room for anything else is if Venom was the one who did everything Big Boss is famous for. Except for Snake Eater and Peace Walker, which Snake Eater was an extremely controlled operation and Peace Walker sunk itself.

Big Boss is kind of a shit soldier.

>>719616063
you're forgetting the events of portable ops

>>719616057
>woman badass who fights while pregnant

>>719615906
the REAL canon goes mg1 - snake's revenge - acid

>>719616063
He does the shit he did with MSF and what Venom does with Diamond Dogs. Builds another arm and base. Recruits colorful weirdos. Jerks off. Does it all undercover and then in the late 80s they bring the organizations together. Big Boss being a fraud is part of the point but he also did have like 10 years of the 60s and 70s doing crazy shit legit.

Is there a website with a good summary of all the games plots?

>>719616025
>>719616057
Im guessing cus boss would be a um....a.... "girl boss"?

>>719616025
not any more than snake eater would

>>719616186
don't forget that h'es brough back into the american military... somehow and made head of Fox hound... somehow. And USA is appaarently unaware of his activities and merc work that's still ongoing.

>>719616224
just ask chatgpt

>>719616224
fan wiki

>>719615773
resource management, doing a bunch of things in one trip, planning routes, etc.

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>>719589810
Peacewalker was 5 in development, and V is the sequel. You claim there was never meant to be a five, yet there are three of them. Peacewalker, Ground Zeroes, and Phantom Pain which ties back to the original Metal Gear 1 having a fake Big Boss that you kill.

The only thing there was "never meant to be" was all of the production problems during V that left it as a gameplay sandbox with barely any story.

>>719616551
huh i guess it makes sense when you put it like that

>>719616154
I thought po ops wasn't canon

>>719608174
Missing link was having a fake boss that dies in MG1, which is how he "survived" into MG2. That's literally it. It wraps back around to the original.

How about a Liquid prequel?

>>719616767
The MGS series suffers from the Skywalker syndrome where the entire universe revolves around one bloodline and apparently no one else matters. jack is like the exception to this rule. The problems from 1964-2014 are all caused by the squabbling of a single blood line, and between his former comrades.

>>719616954
and you can't really do much after that because unless you do a near-complete spinoff like Revengeance, everything about the series ends in 2014 and the Bloodline dies with Solid Snake retiring since he's now too old for Tactical Espionage Action.

>>719616687
Kojima said the story was canon, a lot of the events were also referenced in PW, Ground Zeroes, and PP.

I just want them to finish V instead, with or without Kojima. So much wasted potential.

>>719617371
My biggest autism is having a large txt document with all the changes/fixes/additions I would make to Phantom Pain in order to make it better and complete it. I've talked with Grok about this list and asked her to rate my suggestions on a
strongly disagree
disagree
neutral
agree
strong agree
scale and told her to be open and honest about it. Even 10 years later I still wish I had the ability to fix the Phantom Pain. To me, there is no game that is close to it as far as ideas and gameplay style while also being such a disappoint. It has the potential to be the goat.

>>719617615
Yeah. Fucking Kojima, why couldn't he finish it?

>>719616687
Anything after 4 wasnt canon. Doesnt matter what Kojima or his drones tell you. Kojima is nothing special

>>719617794
>founding of FOXHOUND
>introduces roy campbell
>ocelot securing the philosophers legacy
>introduction of null A.K.A gray fox
>gene gives snake his entire army after snake defeats him hence all those soldiers he has in the beginning of PW
>ocelot hints at starting the patriots during a phone call with zero
>none of this is canon because some random faggot said so
kill yourself

>>719608765
Gus Van Sant isn't gonna be in charge of the remake, lass.

>>719588890
doubt . jpg
they'll probably remake mgs 1 and mgs 4 next. by that time kojima will release his project physint which is shaping up to be a metal gear reboot with different characters. konami won't be able to compete with real mgs game even if it isn't called mgs.

>>719615769
>The game is good
No it isn't.

>>719611481
Judge Holden was in metal gear?

In Metal Gear Solid VI will we finally learn how Master Kazuhira "Nigger Grave Digger" Miller earned his nickname?

>>719608239
>MGR 2
this would make perfect sense imo. just give the project to platinum or the guy who made nier automata.

Actually VII will be in Volume 2 of the Master Collection. Where's 6? It is 6. Another clone has awoken, Venom 2. We will finally hear what really pushed Big Boss into becoming the monster he is in MG2 in this epic showdown of the hypnotized clones of big boss vs Diarrhea Shitman

What happened to Etsu Tamari? I loved his writing in Revengeance, Peace Walker, and Phantom Pain.
He should be a game director for the next Metal Gear games.

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Konami has said there will be a MGS6 but they're torn between doing that next or remaking MG1/2 while there are still franchise veterans still at the company. It's clear they will continue the series for many years to come, and Kojima has always known this. Since MGS4 he has been trying to pass the series off to younger staff. MGS was always going to continue without him.

>>719624258
They can't even update the Fox Engine so I don't have much faith in them.

>>719624335
Next MGS game will be on Unreal like Delta. It's clear they did a remake to train new staff, now that Konami is ramping up on game production again. A solid amount of the TPP team are still with the company.

>>719624335
More like won't. They thought they could be lazy and do a UE5 flip and it blew up in their face because they didn't realize persona and resident evil fans are all trannies and lack any sort of inhibition.

>>719589645
>The trend is for youth to play Roblox, not console games
How true is this though? There was also some study that said 30% of zoomers play retro games or something.

>>719588890
these two guys owned kojima, saved metal gear series while staying humble at the same time.

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>>719625434
forgot pic

>>719625480
>solidus kojima and liquid kojima

>>719625434
>>719625480
>Producers

Kojima already declared he's going to make PhysInt after whatever he's doing now
I hope he doesn't
If he does it'll be a spiritual MGS successor

>>719625883
okamura wrote and directed the first ZOE and also wrote many tokimeki memorial games and made other games like doctor lautrec so it's not just a producer, also korekado is more of a programmer and a technician than a producer

>>719610728
>>719610882
Portable Ops deserved better than getting wiped by Peace Walker
It's a good game, the story is good, the characters are good, the game plays well barring quirks like dodgy camera controls and tiny inventory

Kojima is what happens when the but I could be the ideas guy at a video game company! gets nepohired.
>Source
>Every game he's ever made without Tomokazu Fukushima or some effective tard wrangler

>>719627778
I came in this thread to post exactly this
Portable Ops had Gene, who was the perfect foil for Big Boss and he deserved better
Hell Gene could have been what Liquid was to Snake

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>>719595720
Honestly surprised

>>719595720
Only because you're a bunch of poorfag brownoids. They ignored my emails to add denuvo and look what happened. You faggots had the game for free 2 hours after advanced access began.

>>719588890
It doesnt matter, because if there was, it would be bad. Kojima wouldnt be working on it, so MGS6 would just be the sequel trilogy/Rings of Power of Metal Gear.

>>719599690
ngl 4chans reaction to that would be worth it alone

>>719613291
>PW that high
>1 that low
ngmi

>>719588890
I could see mgs 6 become a thing if Konami gets desperate again. Desperation led them to revive silent hill and that seems to be working alright for them but who knows.

>>719624258
>Konami has said there will be a MGS6 but they're torn between doing that next or remaking MG1/2
great fanfiction anon, you gotta link me your AO3

>>719630095
Honestly the Silent Hill F approach to metal gear as a franchise is their best bet. Accept they cant capture what made the original good so take it in a totally new direction tonally and aesthetically while still making sense for what the franchise is

>>719630452
so a stealth game set in middle ages with souls combat and magical powers centered around war themes? basically a third person thief game. would play that.