It's kino
>>719601115classic
>>719601115it rules, the only series to surpass DOOM in the 90s. struggling to get through Heretic on the hardest difficulty so I can do the same for the new collection version of Hexen, which is surprisingly actually marginally improved
>>719601115How do I go about playing this again?
>You have completed 1/16th of a puzzle
>>719601115My only beef is that the remasters/expansions don't give you new bosses. They just give you more of the same, or exactly the same.You'd think the modders would do something cool like put Korax and Eidolon in the earlier games, even if all they do is teleport away instead of die.Also, the fucking Dark Servant shouldn't have a 30 second time limit, it should be permanent and have the Maulotaur turn on you after 2 minutes.
>>719601115Yes, I love suckerpunching Ettins.
I love the shield they gave the cleric, it makes fighting centaurs a total breeze.
>>719601115>>719601163Wow you sure did put a lot of effort into this thread
>>719601115Friendly reminder, if you play the remaster with the quest compass on, you didn't beat the game.
>>719609429What if you played the OG version with a gamefaqs guide?
>>719605163Get any doom source port you like and download the hexen wad file and load it and there ya go.
>>719610876Following a text guide like that actually takes some brainpower, so I'll allow it.
>>719610876I beat Hexen like 10 years ago with no guides. I don't know why so many people think it's a hard game. Now Hexen 2 on the other hand can go fuck itself
>>719611232Because most people didn't play Hexen, they just watch some retard youtuber whine and complain about hexen and just parrot everything they say.
>>719611232The only hubs I could beat without a guide were the third and fifth one.
>>719611232>I don't know why so many people think it's a hard game>find a brown switch in a corner of two brown walls behind a brown tree>one 1/4 of a puzzle has been solved>no idea what it did and where the 3 other switches areyeah man the game is totally ez
Who else HATES these fuckers?
>have to use the same 4 weapons to kill absolutely everything>only about 8 types of enemy in the entire game to go with that >level design is a complete clusterfuck >unbelievably massive damage dealt to the player even by the weakest enemies, game becomes more about smooth geometry than fun Heretic was so much better it's actually absurd
>>719612087Yeah Heretic's combat mogs and the level design is objectively better. But I view them as totally different genres and play Hexen like a puzzle/adventure games where combat takes a backseat.
>>719609220I don't. It's fun to style on bishops and centaurs are manageable, but I defeated Korax by standing in the doorway and reflecting his volleys a few times for both phases and feel it's a bit too good. Shame they did nothing for Fighter.
>>719611061Would that be a better experience than the recent remaster?
>>719613505Yes and no.On older soucepors there is more fiddling around with keybindings, files and settings but you get a better tuned experience to your preferences. You can go full vanilla with Chocolate Hexen, or maybe go full modern with true 3D render (not available on the remaster) and efefcts. The remaster is not bad, it comes with some new options turned on by default which change the original experience. Some of the levels are unrecognizable (mostly in Heretic) and there are some balancing changes. Most of the default settings are pretty ok, and you can get a very decent vanilla experience if you turn all the new stuff off. And you still get the original files anyway, so you can use them on other sourceports to decide for yourself.
>>719612006>crosshairare you a faggot
>>719614889I got the screenshot from a wiki page.
Hopefully since they released a new version with updated features and dlc, maybe we'd get hexen 2 or even a full on sequel
>>719601115I still haven't gotten around to finishing it. I always make an attempt but it wears me down the longer and longer i go. I need to get around to finishing it.
>>719612006They're not that bad compared to wendigos. These motherfuckers will chip away your whole health bar in a matter of seconds.
>>719611232No so much difficult than being obtuse.
>>719617902Remember that one part of seven portals when you spawn in a room that are filled with these fuckers (it's the one required to get to the secret hub)
>>719617938It's actually still hard in combat. Doom 1 and 2 were tame compared to both Heretic and Hexen. Besides Plutonia Experiment that is, which probably matches the difficulty in a similar way.
>>719618043I got up out of my chair and threw my keyboard went that happened and walked off.
>>719601115Not a big fan compared to Doom 2 but it’s cool.
>>719604140this wouldn't work without the twitter timestamp
>>719618387>what if Doom but enemies are 2x tankier and the music sucksDid you meant the video by that? Marathon is utter garbage, even worse that doom.
>>719618425I'm retarded and confused Heretic and Hexen, my bad
>>719618441That makes you sound even more retarded. Doom's music is utter shit, it's literally popsey commercial "metal" ripoffs. Heretic's ost is beautiful, punchy and original. The enemies are better both in terms of art and game design. Everything about Heretic is better than doom, you have to be blind or dumb to not see it.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if6n3QIJqbs
>>719618762From the very first couple bars of the Heretic soundtrack it's hideous and dissonant. Doom's is derivative but at least it's recognizably music.
>>719618809Doom's music sounds like shit. Heretic sounds like an orchestra compared to it. Cope.
>>719618850https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=if6n3QIJqbs#t=3m3sIf you think that's a good chord progression you're just deaf
>>719611232Huh, I actually found a lot of Hexen 2 easier to navigate than Hexen 1 (besides places like the Egypt level). I do however agree that it's definitely doable to complete Hexen without a guide, don't think you can perma-fuck yourself so it really is just a matter of being persistent, not really hard just tedious. Turok 2 is honestly way more of a pain IMO when it comes to exploration, especially in the original version without any quest-markers.
>>719618114key differnce is that unlike Doom games there's no hitscan enemies, if you get hit at all it's always skill issue
>>719618874Nigga, you literally claim that pissy pop rock ripoffs are better than Kevin Schilder. You have zero taste, and I bet you don't meet the age requirement to use this site.
>>719618936>SchilHi Kev
>playing through deathkings of the dark citadelholy fuck it's bad
>>719618928And better in the sense that Heretic was the first game that made use of being able to look up and down in the engine, I'm pretty sure it was. In other words none of Romero's stupid handicap rules he made up about why mouse look is discouraged for 'purist doom' in his design when he put out Sigil.
>>719611232>I beat Hexen like 10 years ago with no guidesCongrats but because i went into it knowing it was that hard, i ended up overthinking things and running around levels for hours thinking i missed something. This game does something evil to my brain, it plays tricks on it.
>>719618984retard, bet you're getting lost everywhere
>>719618984yeah i'm about to tap out, not fun
>>719621793With the update? Hard to get lost with it, honestly.It's just superior tedious because it's Hexen with 1.75x more monsters at every turn. No, killing my 700th Ettin isn't fun.
>>719618850Doom music may be shit but is better that ambient psx/n64 soundtrack, Arrest.
>>719618984>>719621909Wimps detected
anybody played the remaster expansion, is it good? is it actually hexen?>>719618984i played hexen a shit ton as a kid and only played deathkings for the first time like 10 years ago. shit is great, much better than the base game, this is unironically a skill issue
>>719618984Deathkings is just a better very of the base game. Better enemy encounters, better level design, denser maps. Deathkings is still the best official Hexen content.
>>719626154>anybody played the remaster expansion, is it good? is it actually hexen?Yea and yes. It's only a single hub but it's large enough to be at least the size of two hubs. It leans very heavily on the backtracking, even more so than the base game. I was surprised, I was honestly expecting them to shit the bed and make singular, Doom/Heretic style levels because modders seem to revile Hexen's hub system.
>>719626154>anybody played the remaster expansion, is it good? is it actually hexen?It is quite good and surprisingly long. Took me 4 hours. It uses all the keys and puzzles from the main game, lots of backtracking. The secret level is also huge, probably one of the biggest maps I ever saw in an official wad. The only downside is that there are no new enemies or bosses.
>>719626398>>719626414sounds great, time to give it a try
>>719612006They're cool.
Walpurgis or Wrath of Cronos?
Why did they make cleric so overpowered? He already had the best ultimate weapon
>>719626569They went way overboard with the weapon buffs for Hexen. Honestly the Mace is whatever, you'll be using the Serpent Staff and Firestorm 75% of the time like before anyway. The real issue is the Frost Shards. They are legitimately the second most powerful weapon in the game just under Wraithverge. All they had to do was buff the ranged damage a bit, now it's just insane how strong it is.
>>719626493is this the remaster?
>>719626813No. I haven't made any webms of the remaster yet.
>>719626703nta, mace and frost shards were buffed? lol nice
>>719626858it's just that i don't recall them swampies having that kind of death animation
>>719626862Mace now has a shield that can parry melee / reflect projectiles. The parry stuns the monster for a few seconds and makes you next mace swing deal stupid damage (1shot gib slaughtaurs). Frost Shard's ranged attack now does enough damage to 1shot most monsters, has a slightly faster fire rate, and the ice projectiles can now pass through frozen monsters and hit enemies behind them. It's ridiculous.
>>719627023i would hope that at least the warriors ultimate weapon was buffed
>>719626920It's their gib death animation. you don't see it often because they tend to have just low enough health that the harder hitting weapons typically one shot them. As the fighter, for instance, you'll usually only see it if you punch them one then hit with the axe/hammer, assuming you don't use Quietus.
>>719627137Or if you get the lowest possible damage roll for the axe/hammer, requiring a second hit which will in turn gib them.
>>719612006Oh yeah, one of my most hated FPS enemies of all time. The fuckers are incredibly cancerous.
>>719601115>no RT source portFuck off.
>tweaked some stuff involving weapons and monstersSure, that's fine.>didn't make Brown Chaos Serpents statistically different from Green Chaos Serpents>didn't make Slaughtaurs/Stalker Bosses visually different from Centaurs/Stalkers.
>>719611728Just go back and check what is changed? How hard it can it be to just look at things? Oh no, you will have to stop watching tiktoks for a minute, THE HORROR.
>>719612006They are fucking fuckers, bit not nearly half as bad before you get to Sump. If you don't throw your monitor into the wall at that point, no enemy in video games will ever make you angry.
>>719629319>swamp maze with death pits>blocks your path on the opposite side of said death pit and causes you to fall
>>719601115Reminder that the N64 port is pretty based.
>>71963133164 had a great soundtrack, a lot moodier than the original.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QuWDVeqCgwIhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KU0uPjDv4bohttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vENgqRRagqs
kino
>>719633993No, Beyond Kino.
whoa gothic 1 alpha..
>>719601115Too hard
>>719635910are you fucking retarded
>>719618984>>719626253The endless enemy respawn is fucking annoying, also the game is really unbalanced when the first hub is the hardest and the last one the easiest
>>719601115It filtered that fat retard CivvieEven Gmanlives was less dumb than him
>>719612429Powerslave was way better as far as non linear fps with platforming and puzzles go
Which class should I pick for first playthrough of Hexen 2?
>>719636448>4chan not talking about ecelebs: mission impossible
>>719636790That was the only post ITT talking about YouTubers lol
>>719636287true it was gothics grandfather..
>>719636846Yes, and we could've ended this thread without them. Stop being a simp for inline personalities.
Hexen 2 was more way more cryptic, the 3rd hub puzzle, impossible to finish the game, was stuck for days.., Hexen 1 was more obvious, puzzles solutions were kinda obvious, ppl have no sense of exporation nowadays.. lol civvie11.. I mean those are frauds or what ?
>>719637002you mean vague
>>719636957He didn't even praise them thoughIt's just funny how some people who act like old school gamers get filtered by such games
>>719636889gothics grandfather was ultima 2 both were terrible
>>719636448>Even Gmanlives was less dumb than himThat's quite hard to achieve. This has to be some sort of record worth writing down.
>>719637274your mommas pussy is terrible
You have played this game too long, mortal
Offtopic, but I've recently finished this game and it has infinitely more infuriating puzzles than Hexen. Like holy fuck, I remember trying it when I was a kid and at some point I started using cheat codes to skip to next levels and more than half of them still filtered the fuck out of me.
>>719636706Anything but Assassin.
>>719637536now that's a game I've never played
>>719636706Most fun in my opinion:Demoness > Necromancer > Crusader > Paladin > Assassin
>>719637449your second fathers pussy is terrible
>>719638326what
>>719638903you have two trannie fathers
>>719639891and you're guy for fucking whatever it was lol
>gave the cleric a shield for no reasonwhy
>>719640695because zoomies love stupid gameplay mods that make zero sense, and zoomies are remaster's core audience
>>719637501https://youtube.com/watch?v=fzMaITI2_rMHow long is too long?
>>719640695Because they wanted to buff the Mace and not simply increase its damage. The shield adds a unique feature to the game while also improving the purpose of the Mace. There's also precedent for the shield specifically. Every class receives different amount of Armor Class for each piece of armor in the game, and guess who gets the most from the Falcon Shield?
>>719612087THIS!... THIIIIISS!!Also:>Recurrent level design flaw: Floor collapses beneath you out of nowhere and you're dead.
>>719617902>Exclusive to 7up portals Non issue
is there any way to play vestiges of grandeur in GZdoom?
>>719612087Heretic is just a Doom reskin with fantasy setting and worse weapons, Hexen games were actually unique
A shame Nightdive ruined the game, which is how most people new to it will experience it.
>>719641512>Unique life steal>Best flechette>Best superweapon and a top 3 best weapon in fps>Unique parryHe cant keep getting away with this
