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Are they dead?
Will blizzard force them to take it down(which hasn't happened yet)
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supposedly the unreal client is being worked on by a different team and not turtle themselves
I'm not entirely sure if that's true or if people are getting mixed up with another unrelated unreal wow project that also exists separately to turtle's
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Copyright faggots need to kill themselves
>wahh we're better devs than Blizzard, people like our MMO
then make your own fucking MMO, without stealing and piggybacking off another IP?
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>>719609665
If they're remaking it in Unreal anyway just make it a legally distinct mmo with renamed races like asian clones
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They are beefed out with a company with multiple defense contracts with NATO countries and levels of economic and political connection that make them look like SPECTRE if you really understood it all.

They're dead, it's only a matter of time and how they choose to meet their end.
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>>719610560
No. Blizzard won't do the job so someone else has to. In a non-Jewish world, 20+ years would be long enough and vanilla WoW would be public domain.
>But the supercorporation wants to make money
Ohh fuck you're right. They're in the right because that's what Jewish law says. Fuck man I'm sorry let me hold this L.
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>>719610727
Based and trve
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Just 2 more weeks and Turtle WoW is gone forever.
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>>719610560
>>719610718

I don't want a "legally distinct," MMO. I want the franchise, game and setting I fell in love with that plays way too integral of a part in my IRL Lore to be safely in the hands of people who understand and love it and not people who have submitted to the gods of Current Thing.
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>>719610727
shut up commie faggot, go live in china if you think that way. stupid chink.
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>>719609665
>steal blizzards ip to basically make their own game
i hate blizzard but these retards had it coming
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>>719611825
how could this possibly happen?
how could we developers have known?
we are OPPRESSED!!!11
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>>719609665
It’s a civil suit so they can’t do shit outside the U.S. but they will fine the U.S. volunteers who worked on TWoW out the ass
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>>719611042
>Commie faggot
Call me Chairman Mao cause i don’t give a fuck. I WILL take your IP and use it as I please. No there’s nothing you can about it. Seethe
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>>719610727
Based unfathomably so
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why do people even play classic
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>>719610727
Are they furthering the story? The lore? Creating new characters? New original comment beyond gimmicks?
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>>719610560
>then make your own fucking MMO, without stealing and piggybacking off another IP?

Stop describing modern Blizzard at any time
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>>719612313
It’s mror about the world and how you interact with it
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>>719612313
>why do people even play classic

Because it seems like a real game
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>>719609665
Unless they can get the owner legally, or he complies like Nostalrius cucks did, it means nothing. You just ignore the C&D letters.
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>>719612313
may aswell play runescape
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>>719612485
It’s Microsoft’s legal department not just blizzard so they have a lot more weight to go after volunteers who worked in TWoW but you’re right they can’t shut down the servers especially the ones in Russia
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>>719612313
what am I supposed to get mad about here?
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>>719612185
stop speaking english then, chang
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>>719612343
Yeah, they’ve added new races, dungeons, and new zones and continuing the story in a classic manner. Even have leveling challenges.
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>>719612485
>You just ignore the C&D letters.
I think the mere threat of this is enough for many to give in. Microsoft can entangle you in legalese for the rest of your life.
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>>719610940
>Let me tell you, friend.
Pictured here are Margaret Weis & Tracy Hickman, authors of the Dragonlance series and elder gods of D&D. Their worlds birthed WoW, and the imho best shot of getting that era and style of worlds back is to AI their works (with permission and payment). Young people (born 1990 & after) don't know how to live without the digital collars around their necks. Their fundamental views of relationships, communication and war are filtered by pixels. AI may yet preserve the history of thinking and imagination, if not 'facts', so we might as well use it.
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I used to play on Nost and Kronos back in the day. Why are all of the vanilla private servers tranny central now? I don't remember a single tranny on Nost or Kronos or Fenix.
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>>719610560
>stealing and piggybacking off another IP
The thing that put Blizzard on the map to begin with, yeah.
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>>719612313
>paladin
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>>719613354
Trannys are simply more obnoxious and vocal. What were previously extremely autistic and annoying effeminate men are now extremely autistic and effeminate men with autogynophilia. VERY few self proclaimed trannies on hormones are actually diagnosed with anything resembling true dysphoria otherwise they wouldn’t be playing WoW and do actual female hobbies
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>>719613354
>why are there so many trannies on insular online communities
Gee I wonder
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>>719613506
classic
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>>719609665
Just buy a wow sub asshole.
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>>719612313
We've been in the MMO era where they all try to do action shit and wacky systems that I genuinely miss tab target gameplay, so I play vanilla. Old WoW (especially with the twow content) just feels way more interesting and cohesive than any MMO currently on the market to me.
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>>719613294
That's retarded anon.
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>>719613354
Why are you so obsessed with transsexuals?
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>>719610718
The engine will be just a wrapper for the code. Its still all Blizz under da hood.
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>>719610560
That was pretty much blizzard with anything ending in Craft, or pretty much OW.
Ironically, the current retards who work at blizzard are piggybacking off all the work and ideas of the people they chased out of the company.
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>>719609665
It's time for people to realise Copyright was never about protecting creators, it's about allowing corporations to monopolise and exploit cherised IP for as much money as possible.

Monopolies are universally recognised as bad for killing competition, leading to lower quality goods and higher prices, but a monopoly is awarded with every Copyright.
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>>719609665
They should migrate to Russia, we have official private server commercials.
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>>719616469
Like, on TV?
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>>719616629
Not on TV but on very big internet platforms like Yandex and VK. But not something like an ad segment from e-celebrity, an official advertisement break spot directly from the platform or official banners.
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>>719612313
Look at all this soul.
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>>719616348
>It's time for people to realise Copyright was never about protecting creators, it's about allowing corporations to monopolise and exploit cherised IP for as much money as possible.
Or estates which are the same thing. People who had nothing to do with original work now get to have to final say and own it just because they inherited it or had the money to buy outright.
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>>719616348
>>719617317
If it was really about protecting individuals and making sure they get paid for their innovations, it would only apply to individuals and not companies. Companies shouldn't be able to own an idea.
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>>719612313
>picking literally the slowest and most basic solo leveling class
lol okay
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>>719617810
see >>719613506
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>>719617632
Correct. It entirely makes sense that an author should profit from their work but once said work is owned by a legal entity run by people who have no interest in the works integrity that’s when a line needs to be drawn.
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>>719612313
Thanks for reminding me why I don't bother with vanilla-era servers.
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>>719617810
Most classes in vanilla have 1 or 2 worthwhile damaging abilities at best.
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>>719609665
didn't Blizzard take down Felmyst?
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>>719609665
nah dude it's okay, they're in russia and behind 9 proxies, this is a nothingburger :)
this is what turtrannies unironically believe
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>>719618231
Just like on retail, but at least you are pushing buttons.
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>>719612313
post pvp one hit kill warrior vs rogue or what it was webm
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>>719612485
it's not just a C&D, which is just where a company sends a letter that says "pls stop using our stuff or else >:(" . The individual developers are being full on sued under RICO. They are being accused of being members of an organised crime organisation, and all but one of them live in either the EU or US.
Even in a scenario where the server doesn't get taken down and Torta/Shenna remains untouchable in Russia, turtle will still have lost like 8/9 developers or whatever the number is which is going to massively disrupt things at the very least.
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>>719613354
Funny you say that, the other day I looked into turtle wow discord, and the first comment that struck my eye was someone calling retail a "alphabet community game". So who are the real trannies here?
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Can someone explain to me why turtle shills and defenders are actual fucking communists?
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>>719619362
I think it's just people trying to save their community with even the most braindead and shitty reasoning. Same thing that Mare autists currently do with FFXIV.
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>>719610560
This. PocketPair needs to fuck off and stop plagiarizing Pokémon for easy money.
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Why doesn't Blizzard just make an API that would allow for these private servers to require an actual WoW sub. It's literally free money for Blizzard.
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Jewish thread
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>>719619093
>The individual developers are being full on sued under RICO
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>Blizzard dickriders ITT
Is this a Stockholm syndrome? A sunk cost fallacy?
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>>719619565
Dota absolutely mindbroke blizzard's stance on modding. And even aside from that, suits hate the idea of someone making mods or servers that they perceive as damaging to the product's image, like if someone releases a bugged out jank server and footage of it starts spreading online they think it will reflect poorly on WoW as a whole.
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>>719619719
I'm here to make fun of both camps nigga, I don't really care who wins or loses.
Actually rather be Blizzard losing, but I'm not delusional kek.
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>>719619751
If a private server is jank videos will still be made and it could still reflect badly the same way except they don't get money. I know they just try to shut them down but people will just keep making more. It doesn't matter what they do. They may as well just support it.
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>>719610560
The people that created Warcraft are long gone from Blizzard. The current game is just a paypig cash shop for trannies and women
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>>719619362
Communists make better Vidya now than woke capitalist faggots like blizzard
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WoW client in unreal engine looks like shit
jeets tried it in with ue4 10 years ago and it looked just as bad

I guess the new generation of jeets has pooped out to do the same thing over again huh
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>>719619332
they are all trannies
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>>719621362
wow he really said that? can you link me to trump GOD!!11!1
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>>719609665
I hope so, then these faggots can make their own MMO instead of being parasites.
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>>719621362
Damn that was quick. He must be alive and not a vegetable.
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>>719621362
wtf is this real
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>>719621543
he's not gone full Biden yet
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>>719621362
trump would never defend the shit pozzard is getting away with
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>>719613354
MMOs have always been a refuge for the lowest of the low humanity has to offer. Someone simply brought a shovel to the bottom of the barrel when America's for-profit healthcare system decided estrogen wasn't making enough money.
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Maybe shenna shouldve put a leash on her retarded rabid dog, crogge, who seems to be autistically obsessed with having a pissing contest with blizzard, and constantly pays to put troondle wow ads on blizzard's official channels and socail media.
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>>719621362
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>>719609665
>UE5
>MMO-scale
lol
lmao
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>>719613068
>they’ve added new races
Nope, they've added one race also playable in WoW and a second race already present in the setting.

>and new zones
No, just retooled zones from WoW's later expansions. Or are you retarded enough to think they invented Gilneas as a zone?


>and continuing the story in a classic manner
All of their new content is wasted opportunities and being different for the sake of being different.

Take Gilneas, probably the most wasted human cuilture by Blizzard. Their own architecture and region; their own aesthetics and music; thousands of unique assets, and they waste it on a battleground, a beginning instanced zone... and that's it.

So you'd think the obvious idea would be to make it into an alternative Human starting zone. Even if you don't want Worgen as a playable race, you can still use their storyline in different ways. Or retool it and use it as a nifty excuse to introduce Druids as a playable class for Humans.

But no, instead we get WHAT IF LIAM LIVED AND GENN DIED LOOK HOW SMART WE ARE.
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>>719610940
Nigga, it’s time to let go

You are 38
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>>719622396
The one and only common attribute between Americans and Indians is their rapacious need to suck corporate cock.
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>>719610560
what if I told you the current blizzard company is piggybacking off of the IP they didn't make

None of the people that made wow (the good original wow) work there anymore
it's all mental elfs lol
not our fault this product is fucking better
and this is coming from a bong that's played pservers since 2007 and watched the rise and fall of them all and I literally fucking hate shenna and torta because they are tramps
but let me tell you having a place to play the best version of the game I've ever played without having to part with my shekels and pay the wage of some purple haired retard is VERY good
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>>719610727
>Blizzard won't do the job so someone else has to
They are running a business, Anon. It takes time and effort to create Classic+ or the inevitable WoW 2.

Season of Discovery was nothing more than a one big expirement what Classic players want. They have all the information now for the official Classic+ in the making.
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The funniest thing about the Turtle WoW drama is how it's managed to convince Vanillafags Classic+ is coming and this isn't a simple open and done case of Turtle fucking around and finding out
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>>719610727
I unironically agree. Capitalism is only proving it's a failing system over and over, and copyright only reliably protects corporations. Fuck all of this "protecting your IP" bs, especially when the company is running that IP into the ground.
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>>719624901
>SoM
>SoD
>Surveys asking people want they want in Classic+
>Anniversary server in China that is using scaled Vanilla, TBC and WotLK raids for end game
They're obviously trying to make something work. Classic+ is coming in some form. Same Blizzard targeted Vanilla private servers in prep for Classic's launch.
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>>719621362
>Trump being so petty that he would rant against evil Chinese / Russian Private Servers bleeding out Activision Blizzard millions of revenue

I know that tweet is fake but I wouldn't be surprised if Trump is that petty and make an official truth social post.
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>>719625153
>>Anniversary server in China that is using scaled Vanilla, TBC and WotLK raids for end game
ngl that sounds kino
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>Season of Mastery
>Make raids with 2 button mechanics than 1
>Classic Andies quit the game due to difficulty

>Season of Discovery
>Take skills from expansions
>Make new class specs
>People complain that it's too expiremental

What should Blizzard do? It seems everyone has their own idea what Classic+ should be.
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>>719625721
The main people want is essentially just TBC but an entirely different expansion exclusively built for the classic game where they'd have to put actual effort into, instead of just reusing assets and stuff from how Vanilla-Midnight actually went.
That's not ever gonna happen because their focus is on retail so at best Classic will continue to just get stuff like SoD.
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>>719610560
Fuck off, I want WoW but not made by current Blizzard. Are these vanilla+ servers perfect? No, far from it, but it's still miles better than what current Blizzard (not the original developers) will ever make.
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>>719609665
It will be a civil lawsuit, no chance the US gov wastes money on a full RICO against them.
Aren't their servers in Kazakstan or something? This is a country that's friendly with the US. Also I've heard about some EU devs and a marketing guy from Michigan. The latter one is probably fucked up beyond repair for the rest of his life.

Remember, they don't have to go after the server, they can also go after the people and ruin the entire thing from within. In any case, if the turtle team manages to make the transfer to UE5, Blizzard would have a significantly more uphill battle ahead of them, since UE5 is free use and doesn't belong to Blizzard.
Shenna is still a scummy bastard though.
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>>719613469
The idea wasn't original but they didn't copy paste their game from another game.
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>>719625930
But retail mogs troontle entirely?
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>>719626071
LMAAAAAAO
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>>719626095
Are you complaining about trolls in WoW?
I guess troontle players prefer anime girls in programing socks
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>>719625806
>TBC but an entirely different expansion
So people want TBC's talent system and Arena?
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>>719625806
T5 was a massive filter in classic
All the cryboomers wont say it but they know tbc comes out theyre gonna get fucked
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>>719626178
>dysgenic night elf-troll halfbreeds
>"trolls"
you don't even play retail and you should stop throwing stones from your BLM quest ridden pozzslop
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>>719610560
You’re brown or jaundiced. Stop using the white mans internet. Create your own internet. Waaaaah waaaah waaaah
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>>719612313
>vanilla paladin gameplay
Vanilla was simple in general but Paladin was that concept distilled to its essence.
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>>719626313
Lot of words to say theyre trolls
Why are you upset about trolls in WoW? Does everything need to be a chinky anime girl for you?
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>>719612776
Not flashy enough
No bollywood cutscenes when using skills
No swimsuit skins
No endorphin rush from gacha

Typical brainlet reward systems and such
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>>719626442
why are you so obsessed with anime girls, hordelet? everyone knows you main a female blood elf anyway
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>>719626370
shalom
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>>719612313
>try Paladin Tank in Classic
>Have to drink health potion on hard bosses
>Can't pull, have to resort have a Hunter in the group
>Only feel useful in Scholomance / Stratholme due to Turn Undead and Exorcism
>Be the most useless piece of shit in UBRS as Off tank by tanking the trash mobs
>Wear the dress UBRS boss fights and heal

I can't imagine that there are actual Paladin main in Classic. This class is equivalent of being a cuckold. The bull being tank warrior.
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>>719626229
That's pretty much what TWoW is.
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>>719626485
Everyone has seen the anime girl on troontle shill, you cant pretend its not real
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>>719626553
Paladin is completely busted in TWoW and can do everything, they overdid the hybrid talents.
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>>719626598
yes i've seen the one image with the GM wearing a custom model you blizzjeets post every thread, you got any others or are you just gonna keep pretending any player can be an anime girl? or even that it happened a second time?
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>>719626585
So why make Classic+ when they could just make TBC Fresh or do TBC on Progressive server forever like the Anniversary server does?
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>>719626648
>actually our tranny devs running around in game in a tranny costume is fine
And you're complaining that retail has cave trolls?
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>>719626553
>Tank mobs UBRS
>Heal in bosses

You are smarter than an average Classic Paladin player by a mile.
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>>719626810
That tranny dev was fired years ago and almost all of his quests removed or rewritten. This model is not even in the game files anymore.
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>>719626485
>main a female blood elf
perhaps that's why
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>>719626810
>turtle
one (1) gm that was never seen again
>retoilet
troon devs, troon company, troon npcs, troon players, pride parades

your move, blizzjeet
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Virgin to WoW here
I've been having fun playing on Turtle Wow. I'm a Tauren Shaman and I like placing totems and that's all I need to do. More games need "I am a force multiplier just by existing" classes.
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>>719626913
>troon devs
>troon company
>troon npcs
>troon players
That describes turtle tho?
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>>719626738
Well they will do TBC fresh next year, and if they're not cowards TBC hardcore and gauge numbers. But as per >>719626297 and >>719625806 most people are filtered by TBC raids and to a lesser extent heroics which were far sweatier than Vanilla, so chances are things will fall of quickly.
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There's more nuance than either side wants to admit. Some want them dead, some want nothing to happen. It's going to be in the middle. Everyone on the dev team outside of Russia is probably not going to be happy. That alone is going to put the server into disarray. People are already quitting due to worry that it will just end soon. Fans of the server can't admit that they do bot numbers when they need to, and now is a time they'll inflate them just to make the server seem stable and viable. It's not going to outright die, but it's going to be smaller, certainly. How much smaller, we can't tell yet.
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>>719612313
sovl
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>>719626997
pozzard really isn't sending their best minwage jeet PR puppets today
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>>719626297
>T5 was a massive filter in classic
It was for Warrior players. Instead of being a retard Fury they needed to master swing time, Slam and Mortal Strike to be a good DPS.

The real filter came at Obsidian Sanctum with 3 draker / Ulduar.
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>>719626997
How?
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>>719627065
i want troontle to die because it's managed by known liars at best and scam artists at worst.
i also want retail to die and blizzard to go bankrupt and dissolve because the entire company has been subverted.
it's really not that complicated or nuanced.
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>>719627157
>I am the only person
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>>719626313
>that quest text
hahahaha holy shit
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>>719627085
So post the turtle devs
Or are they all rotting in their tranny neet caves?

>>719627135
Focusing on high elves ever for one, the cleared tranny bait
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>>719627234
what's wrong sis, still mad you go purple from your void elf racial?
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>>719627234
So you have no point then, got it Blizztroon
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>"go to retail where you have the wheelchairs troons, bots and gold sellers"
>"I'll play on the server where we have the same shit minus wheelchairs, and the thirdie filter"
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>>719627326
I dont play elves because I'm not a tranny, but jumping to defend elf faggotry outs you as one

>>719627339
ESL? Wait why am I even asking of course you are pservers are covered in spics and slavs
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>>719627379
>but one is free
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>>719627420
>I'm not a tranny
X
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>>719626738
Cuz TBC sucks ass. People want vanilla game with more 'balanced' builds and talents, same world and more raids. Turtle WoW hits that for now.
>>719626935
And this is why Vanilla was great, you had class identity and everyone felt unique. Later they made everyone the same. Shamans especially in TWoW get so much cool and unique shit no one else gets.
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>>719627420
>>I dont play elves because I'm not a tranny, but jumping to defend elf faggotry outs you as one
and yet you defend retail, curious!
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>>719626998
Fixes for TBC Classic

>Make Heroics viable post Phase 1 by letting trade Badges into gold so Tanks / Healers can get easy money for flasks at AH
>Make TBC Fresh Realm so people can enjoy Karazhan without Tier 3 sets like a pussy.
>Pre-nerf all the raids to their original difficulties.
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>>719612685
Microsoft is a nuclear power. Russia will shut down the server.
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>>719612313
millenials wasted 1/3 of their life on this game btw
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>>719627480
>you had class identity
being complete unplayable dogshit (every vanilla dps not called warrior or rogue) isnt an identity
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Blizzard only sues when the pserver is monetized or goes too far on maketing, the only exception is Nostalrius but that was a weird time.
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>>719627643
This is only a problem if you're a try-hard sweaty trying to poopsock a 20year game where everything been done a hundred times already. Have some fun and play non-optimal stuff.
t. tank Shaman in TWoW
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>>719627537
Is a chair a selling point of retail like fag elves are for troontle?
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>>719627736
>t. tank Shaman in TWoW
Pussy. The real challenge is Classic Shaman Tank or Survival Hunter Tank.
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>>719627537
retailtranny btfo
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>>719610727
based beyond belief
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>>719627817
>Is a chair a selling point of retail
yes
>like fag elves are for troontle?
no
bro why are you still mad you can't be a futranny draenei? draenei are a shit asspull race.
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>>719627736
your character being worthless because you picked wrong 100 hours ago at character creation is a problem period
>20year game where everything been done a hundred times already
this is just a reason to not play classic at all kek
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>>719627829
>Survival Hunter Tank.
>Decent leveling spec that's great in hardcore
>Also a decent option in pvp
>Theoretically better DPS than Marksman
Only reason its a challenge is because no raid will bring more than 1 or 2 hunters and will expect Marksman for TSA. It's not a hard spec to play.
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>>719609665
>Turtle WoW goes unreal
oh it will go unreal with Blizzard suing their asses alright
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>>719624610
impressive how wrong you are
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>>719609665
Hopefully Blizzard shuts down all these shitty private servers.
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>>719627931
>Also a decent option in pvp

>Survival Hunter being flag carrier in WSG
>Wyvern Sting a chasing player

Survival is beyond broken in PVP. It's a shame that Hunter playerbase are retards that only a minority knows how good Survival is.
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>>719627892
Oh I see youre going to just start lying now because you got caught
trannies really cant help themselves, I guess when you lie about your gender it comes naturally
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>>719624610
You don't even play WoW and it is very telling... you got everything wrong lol.
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>>719627736
you say that because all you do is play leveling content which is beatable even if you never assign a single talent point. try saying that at level cap.
imagine playing a rogue on troontle, oh you want to dps? warriors do everything you do but better. oh you want to try out sub, which was redesigned to be a support spec? you do less damage than the tank and you contribute less group damage than a shaman. no problem, right, why the fuck would you pve as a rogue? pve is for losers anyway so you want to pvp? too bad, troontle devs are PvE sissies who got ganked by rogue one too many times so every pvp tool you have is nerfed to the ground and then some
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>>719627829
I've played both, and Prot Paladin too.
Survival Hunter is not bad, you're completely out of the loop and have no idea what you're talking about. Melee weave makes him a great dps in raids.
I also played Subtlety Rogue and Arcane Mage to 60.

Now in TWoW i have Survival Hunter which is really fun and Tank Shaman which is kinda fun.
>>719627919
There are no worthless characters, there are only worthless players.
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>>719628084
mindbroken. keep throwing stones from your faggy world of elfcraft glass house, retailtroon
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>>719628185
a character that is strictly worse at its role than other classess is worthless
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>>719609665
World of Warcraft
GOES FUNERAL
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>>719625153
blizzard is a geriatric company
people demand hardcore, they need four fucking years
people demand new classic content, they need four fucking years
how is it that a software company sitting on an IP needs this fucking long to do the bare minimum? a team of 10 people wouldve done what they did in four years in one
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>>719628383
>people demand hardcore
its completely dead, so that shows how little actual demand their was. Just a streamer grift you fell for
>people demand new classic content
except classic is also dead
Everyone is on retail, all the meme side content isnt relevant
>how is it that a software company sitting on an IP needs this fucking long to do the bare minimum?
They arent doing the bare minimum, theyre working on the real game. Entertaining cryboomers, thirdies and streamer grifters isnt important
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>>719628456
>retoilet
ewwww
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>>719628383
It's because they're addicted to cash shop money. Remember that one fucking cash shop horse made more money than an entire SC2 expansion. They can't monetize classic the same way the can retail. The only way to make classic+ success is a lot of content which requires a lot of resources and thus a lot of money. The few retail whales left still probably generate as much money as millions of people playing classic. Blizzard will only make proper moves on classic+ when they have no other choice.
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>>719628320
Thats your definition, which you dont even try to base on anything - but sure, you're wrong.
>>719628132
That is not a class problem, that is human problem, and you cannot escape that in any game.
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>>719610560
Warcraft is just warhammer but with added pop culture references
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>>719628530
its ok cryboomer, I know bosses with real mechanics scare you
but LFR is there for all the geriatric classic players
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>>719613994
action mmos are fucking slop anyways
>netcode is always dog shit
>any sort of latency is a massive disadvantage
>miss entire spells because of lag spikes
just look at new world.
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>>719628546
then they should shut down blizz altogether and focus on mobile gacha shit to please their shareholders
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>>719628549
>Thats your definition, which you dont even try to base on anything
Thats not my definition, its basic english
If something is strictly worse it is WORTH LESS than other characters
it has no use, alternatives just replace it at no downside
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>>719628641
>retoilet
>LFR
ewwwwwwwwww
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>>719612313
>playing a 60 priest AQ geared
>best healer on the server
>constantly brought along for GDKPs
>premades and rankers in my whispers 24/7
>wonder if paladin would be useful to pick up so I can have a different flavour of healing
>it's the most boring shit imaginable
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>>719628456
>Entertaining cryboomers, thirdies and streamer grifters isnt important
Obviously it is otherwise they wouldn't go after these private servers. Sour grapes retard
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>>719628549
>That is not a class problem, that is human problem, and you cannot escape that in any game.
not every game is filled with wowcraft's minmaxing parsetrannies
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>>719628546
Why not make a cosmetic shop like Turtle did?

>payable skin models like necromancer, Scarlet Crusade soldier, Zombie Troll
>payable mounts
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>>719628809
priest is equally boring
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>>719613354
I remember one tranny named petpriest who would show their disgusting fucking nudes to the 8ch guild Infinity on Nostalrius. Like no one wanted to see it except our main tank, Brick. We would make fun of the tranny. Eventually after weeks of gearing up this faggot with prebis he quit the guild to pretend he can have kids with this ugly troon.

Fuck you Petpriest and Brick. You're both faggots and it'll always be remembered.
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>>719628828
Most games are, just look for guild that is not doing it, so simple.
>>719628805
Because there are no stircly worse healers or DPS in the game. I think retail has rot your brain where everyone has the same toolkit. Vanilla and Turtle has really strong class identities.
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>>719628882
have you ever pvped as a disc priest?
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>>719628909
>Because there are no stircly worse healers or DPS in the game.
theres no way classicfags actually believe this LMAO
>Vanilla and Turtle has really strong class identities.
Being dogshit at your role isnt an identity, and certainly not a unique one since half the classes in vanilla share it
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>>719628872
Because it will get flamed by the classic population. The retail well is too poisoned.
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>>719628809
>mfw TBC minmaxers telling that Shamans can't be tank healers
>mfw Shaman healers don't know what Healing Wave is
>mfw Paladins forever seething wearing the dress
>mfw Druids wishing they rolled as Priests instead.

I have only respect for Priests. They are truly, the best at everything without any cons.
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>>719624802
I wouldn't trust nu blizz to organize a pissup in a brewery.
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>>719628982
there are pvp gdkps?
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The biggest mistake blizzard ever made with WoW was spending so much time developing raids and building the whole game around raiding instead of night elf feet
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>>719627975
>>719628114
>lol you're wrong

Brilliant rhetoric there.
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It will never die. This is why Russia is such a force of good in this world.
Fuck NAFO, fuck kike corporations, fuck IP law. Turtle will never give in, amerikike lawyers will never reach it, and Russia will ignore any cease and desist orders.

Z
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>>719628383
Retail players are collectors.
They are bad at the game but they love their shiny baubles and cosmetics. Notice how the PvP scene where your skill and knowledge actually matter was dead since WoD. What you have left is the Asmongold level goobers who are not exactly skilled at the game but they love their mounts. Then there is the 1% Tigole poopsockers, who are the exetremely vocal minority.
The reason why these people chimp out is super simple: WoW is EVERYTHING to them. Not a single one can go to another game and have fun, or stream it. They know it, subconsciously or not that if WoW dies, so will they.
You people parrot how "blizz needs to do X to make it good again" while in reality you are not the target audience. People don't want to lose themselves in a glorified chatroom, they don't want to have fun. They want to compete, and chase success, because they are unsuccessful IRL. Whenever this discussion comes up I immediately think of people like Swolebnenji and Alexensual, that they cannot find a footing IRL and they farm virtual currencies for less than minwage to get by every month. No wonder trannies are extremely prone to play this genre, because guess what? They are useless.
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>>719629094
Where is the PVP scene if it isn't in retail? Is it TBC / WoTLK private servers?
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>>719629094
im not talking about retail you dumbass, go play that shiny themepark shit i dont care
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>Go to Warmane WoTLK
>Create a level 60 alt and put XP rate to 0
>Do Classic Dungeons with WoTLK talents
>Do 60 level BGs

It was the most fun I have had for a long time. Why do Classic+ creators fear the WoTLK talent system?
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>>719610560
I believe in a world where IP ownership is based on merit and not whichever jew is sitting on the largest pile of gold
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>>719629094
>They are bad at the game
retail players, playing the game thats literally 100x harder, are bad at the game? lol
>Notice how the PvP scene where your skill and knowledge actually matter was dead since WoD
PvP scene was drying up from lack of new blood and other PvP games on the market. Nobody is learning when you queue into multiglads at 1700
But aside from that, PvP was still fine until they added solo queue. That actually killed it, because only melee dps can stomach solo queue, its miserable for healers and casters
>People don't want to lose themselves in a glorified chatroom
Because thats retarded and will never happen in 2025 retard
>they don't want to have fun. They want to compete, and chase success
This is fun for people. Were you always picked last in gym class? It shouldnt be so confusing why competition is enjoyable for men
>Whenever this discussion comes up I immediately think of people like Swolebnenji and Alexensual
You think of non-retail players? thanks for proving my point retard
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>>719629285
wotlk is actually not that great and the beginning of the end, starting with class homogenization and the themepark mechanics plus the detachment from wc3 lore (who the f is bolvar)
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>>719629002
Still waiting to hear about this mythical 0 dps dps-class.
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>>719629223
>>719629413
lol
This game is truly a magnet for the mentally ill.
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>>719629442
>starting with class homogenizatio
count up how many casters in vanilla spam 1 button
>and the themepark mechanics
what does this even mean? WoW was always a theme park, wrath didnt change that at all
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>>719629285
>play on easy mode with overtuned talents not designed for your level
you want retail, not classic+
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>>719629487
youre the one playing retail, not me
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>>719629116
they stopped playing MMOs for pvp and went to LoL/Dota during its heyday and later to whatever fotm pvp game is popular
The streamers have tried to grift each classic pvp release but that dies out in a week, because its just the same 30 people facing each other
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>>719628383
They probably had like 3 people working on classic
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>>719629285
>Icecrown
>7 times xp rate
>Tank Utgarde Keep as 68
>Everyone is at green items from level 40
>It was still piss easy
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>>719629606
but retail is the hardest version of wow?
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>>719629094
bro's rotation is spamming frostbolt or shadowbolt and he has the gall to call retail players bad LMAO
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>>719629674
there's nothing difficult about steamrolling content from past expansions, retailtroon.
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>>719629479
if a class does less dps it is worth-less
I dont know how to make this any clearer to you, Im sure theres some kind of language barrier but I dont speak slav
Group size is limited, gear drops are limited, a class that is strictly worse is worthless and wastes time, gear and party space
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>>719629634
>Watch PVP streams on Twitch
>It's nothing but Frost Mages doing World PVP on Classic
>Arena players currently on MoP Classic or playing Warmane's WoTLK Arena

Arena peaked at MoP?
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>>719629094
People back in Vanilla sucked at the game, but they still had fun. WoW was always the "casual" game compared to games like Everquest.
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>>719629094
>Retail players are collectors.
>They are bad at the game
Nigga you can clear the entirety of classic with 1 button while asleep

WoW PvP is shit because it's gear based and not skill
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>>719629748
Nothing hard about pressing frostbolt over and over again, classic faggot.
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>>719629748
good thing retail has endgame content with actual mechanics then?
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>>719629751
So which one is it
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>>719629078
some people are so obviously arguing in bad faith or just plain stupid enough that it doesn't warrant any other response, especially not some Destiny/streamer tier debate bro argument
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>>719628456
>hardcore
>dead

I don't know. I find Hardcore raiding comfy on streams ngl. I hope there will be TBC Hardcore and can people clear Arcatraz HC and Shattered Halls HC without dying.
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>>719629871
druid
hunter
warlock
ret/prot paladin (until troontle overbuffs them)
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>>719629820
WoW PvP is good because it's not all skill based. Didn't WoD have standardized PvP gear and everyone fucking hated it? It's an MMORPG and gear should fucking matter
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>>719619093
But the fact remains that they can’t do anything about Russia. Maybe they can hire other developers tons of them in Russia anyway.
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>>719629919
>cant argue
>try do downplay people smarter than you
its really not a good look to admit youre even dumber than destiny lmao
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>>719629869
but that's not what the original anon was doing? dumbass retailfaggot can't even follow a linear conversation.
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>>719629937
You've never played endgame, and you're already backpedaling on your stupid thesis youself knew was a baseless hyperbole.
Anyway, thanks for laughs.
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>OSRS having high playerbase due to WoW refugess

Is this just another cope like FFXIV 4 years ago?
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>>719630024
yes but it will be more effective to some degree because OSRS is an actual game instead of a VN
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>>719629975
>waste time arguing with retards on the internet!
yeah bro totally, also that reminds me..
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>>719630056
>troonscape
>a real game
sure, in the same way that afk arena and cookie clicker are real games
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>>719630007
all of those classes are worthless at endgame, try again
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>>719629656
>Tank from level13 to 80 with LFD
>Wipe at RFC
>Wipe at Gnomeregan
>Wipe at BRD
>Mana Tombs trash mobs are harder than anything mentioned

Is this some third world shit or are WoTLK players this retard? You can't be this bad at the game, right?
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>>719630091
>losing arguments on the internet
>losing to retards on the internet
couldnt be me
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>>719624610
>No, just retooled zones from WoW's later expansions.
When did Balor get added to retail? Oh, never? What about Tel'abim? Huh? Northwind? No? Lapidis? Gillijim's? Oh you're just lying out of your ass because you're a blizzard cultist? Okay.
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>>719630192
>play on a server for people too shit to handle retail
>theyre bad at the game
what is the surprise?
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>>719630056
>OSRS is an actual game
Oh yeah running around and slowly grinding up pointless stats, what a game.
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>>719630315
You better sit the fuck down and keep pressing Shadow Bolt (classic) or pic related (retail) before you humiliate yourself again, blizzjeet.
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>>719629979
>level 60 content isnt endgame
uh huh
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>>719630364
On a WotLK server? Are you actually fucking retarded?
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>>719630315
It's a fun numbers go up idle game
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>>719630315
but enough about classic
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>>719630357
And thats still one more button than troonscape
sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up.
dont even think about stepping up to me
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>>719612313
I miss when I could jerk off while grinding mobs. Now I have to mash my keys all the time and my pp doesn't work that well anymore.

Now I'm sad again.
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>>719629941
t. Wants PvP to be alive but doesn't want to give up the advantage he has by being unemployed
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>>719630479
>troonscape
There it is again! Blizzard cultists love throwing stones from their glass houses.
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>>719629941
>Didn't WoD have standardized PvP gear
>Private servers do the exact same thing on Arena PVP

Ironic. Was WoD actually good?
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>>719630405
those were endgame dungeons at one point, and they didnt have mechanics at that point
You know you cant just steamroll Dragonflight endgame at 70 right
Being in wrath doesnt suddenly make mechanics from classic endgame vanish, they just never existed in the first place
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>>719626553
I had the skullflame shield and told my team to wait 1-2sec before engaging and I never really lost aggro in all of the 5man dungeons
Basically I think I had the seal to add flat holy dmg, consecration down and tab target every mob to spread threat (unless exception) then spend the seal when I wanted a burst of threat on a single target. Strat and Scholo were uber easy with exorcism but overall we had really fast run in all dungeons and my mana was the bottleneck, not the healers. Granted I had a few spellpower pieces so it really healped with threat generation
This was classic wow 2018 mind you so there's probably better way to do it now especially on private servers
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>>719629941
>Didn't WoD have standardized PvP gear and everyone fucking hated it?
That was legion.
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>>719630563
WoD was the same as everything else up to that point, just a lot of people disillusioned with raidlogging.
See its very simple
Raidlogging when I was a kid? Good
Raidlogging when I'm in an adult? Bad
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>WoW refugees hopping to OSRS, FFXIV, Lost Ark and New World
>They always come back when Classic Fresh or new Season is announced

Blizzard always wins, baby
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>>719630603
Interesting how you decided to compare doing classic content when wotlk content is current (two expansions ago) to doing dragonflight when TWW content is current (previous expansion) instead of Shadowlands (which you can).
It's almost like you know you are incorrect but you still have to save face. Unfortunately, I'm not a fucking retard like you.
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>>719630541
>>719630541
Oh don't get me wrong the balance and scaling in classic WoW is abysmal, as is the ranking system. But gear needs to matter in an MMORPG, otherwise what's the point? Why not play another PvP focused game at that point, if it doesn't have any effect?
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>>719630793
Arena players are playing Dota 2 already.
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>>719612313
Paladin in particular is a very slow gimped class that had crusader strike taken away from it by the warrior class designer. However I prefer this to the button mashing 20 button rotations of retail
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>>719630790
Because they changed how leveling worked in dragonflight you fucking retard, so shadowlands is subject to weirder legacy scaling

And no, you cant stomp the shadowlands content at-level either
and dragonflight wont be stomped at level in midnight either
because they have ACTUAL MECHANICS
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>>719630927
arcane is literally a 3 button rotation, how is that too much for you lmao
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>>719630768
When WoD Classic comes out people will praise it?

Does this mean J Allen Brack was right all along?
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>>719630927
>However I prefer this to the button mashing 20 button rotations of retail
It's funny because in retail ret paladins rotation is literally 4 buttons lol.
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>>719630937
blizzard has absolutely never tweaked boss mechanics so collectionfags can just walk in and blitz shit without regards for mechanics right? retard
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>>719631120
For people at level? no absolutely not
Theyve made changes for people 30 levels higher to be able to solo, but thats not the same thing is it?
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>>719631216
they've done it before with a 20 level difference but there's no point in continuing this conversation because you insist on being a dishonest lying prick
here's your last (You)
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Why is WoD considered the worst expansion?

>Garrison mode replacing the mundane questing and grinding after 10 years
>Retail players are focused on endgame content, not caring about levelling at all
>Mercenary mode on BGs
>Known for high quality raiding content
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>>719631309
show me when theyve made it soloable for the characters at-level of the content then

We're talking about 60 content on a 60 character, not making it soloable for a level 80 or 90
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>>719625106
>Fuck all of this "protecting your IP" bs, especially when the company is running that IP into the ground.
It's not your IP though. You're free to make whatever gay fanfiction you retarded commies like coming up with in your infinite free time though
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>>719631465
Because the abandoned it half way through.
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>>719631587
But Garrison mode was a good thing. Levelling only matters on Classic.
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>>719630987
That's a pretty blatant lie but arcane is pretty far from the most unfun to play
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>>719631465
>Garrison mode replacing the mundane questing and grinding after 10 years
I love paying 15 bucks a month to play a mobile-tier idle game where NPCs get to go on adventures instead of me. Game felt dead as fuck because everyone was hiding in their own personal instance too. Really great feature for a massively multiplayer game.
>Retail players are focused on endgame content, not caring about levelling at all
WoD leveling experience is generally regarded as the best (or least shit, at least) aspect of the expansion though. Also what endgame content? You raided and nothing else.
>Mercenary mode on BGs
Faction pop starting to slip out of control is a very bad sign for the health of the game's population.
>Known for high quality raiding content
And absolutely nothing else. Yeah I love only having things to do for two/three evenings out of an entire week to clear the same bosses for three months, aren't you glad you're paying 15 bucks a month for the privilege?
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>>719631465
>nostalgia goggles on fucking WoD
>when the game never recovered from the damage the faggots with 10 alts did to the economy
this is bait.
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>>719631665
Its not a lie
Arcanes rotaton is Arcane Blast, Arcane Missiles and Arcane Barrage
Everything else is just dealing with the various buffs generated/spent by these spells to optimize your damage
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>>719631812
>Also what endgame content? You raided and nothing else.
what exactly do you think endgame was in vanilla->MoP?

WoW was a raidlogging simulator until Legion. Only noticing in WoD is a problem with your brain
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>>719631950
These people don't play WoW they just cry about it.
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>>719631665
for you
you retards obsessed with wow need to stop being 4 years old and accept not everyone finds the same things fun
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>>719631939
better than seeing a retard show up every 5 quest like a saturday moorning cartoon
>its that a bigger number than 1000?
>I CANT UNDERSTAND HELP ME BLIZZARD!!
kys
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>>719631950
>Everything else is just dealing with the various buffs generated/spent by these spells to optimize your damage
Which is also done by pressing buttons in rotation, pretty strict one at that, or at least it was.
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>>719631950
>"Everything else is just dealing with the various buffs generated/spent by these spells to optimize your damage"

Listen to yourself man... arcane has like 10 cool downs that all go down at different times lol
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>>719610560
You could argue retail WoW is more of a bastard abomination rip off copy of WoW proper than fan servers are.
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>>719632205
>better than seeing a retard show up every 5 quest like a saturday moorning cartoon
you mean the fucking orc chieftains and gul'dan that got flanderized into being bloodthirsty retards even without the demon blood?
dumbass retard, kys yourself
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>>719631812
>Really great feature for a massively multiplayer game.
welcome to wow
you missed the change from 40 to 25 man raids and then to 20
then the focus on tranny 5 man mode
and how they ruined anything about world pvp
>wintergrasp and ashran? ruined by player limits
>world pvp? well instanced because fuck you and your fun
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OH MY SCIENCE
WORLO WARCAR ON UNREAL ENGINE 5???!!!
SIGN ME THE HECK UP SLUUURPSLUUUUUURPPP
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>>719632256
Arcane has Evo/Surge which you always use together 100% of the time
And it has Magi's touch, which you also always use with Evo/Surge and then 1 more time between Surge casts
Its extremely straight forward, 3 rotational buttons and 3 cooldowns which are normally stacked together
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>>719632056
Dailies.
The entire point of WoD not having any content other than the faggot begging you to look at his table whenever you left the main building is because people complained about all the dailies they had to do at MoP's release to unlock even more dailies, and Blizzard is only capable of going from 8 to 80 and back to 8.
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>>719632329
>and how they ruined anything about world pvp
world pvp was never good.
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>>719624610
Twow's Gilneas is brand new, completely made from scratch. It is neither in the same shape as the Cataclysm Gilneas, nor features similar buildings. Same goes for the islands they added and Hyjal that was largely empty that they populated with things and quests. I despise shenna as much as anyone else, but don't invent bullshit.
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>>719632462
>Dailies
Were overwhelmingly worthless in most expansions, heavily complained about in MoP (and worthless past 5.0) and WoD still had dailies including a challenge mode daily
Its not like there were dailies to do in the 14 months of SoO on the timeless isle
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>>719619490
>Community
This is what makes you communists. You're supposed to only care about yourself, stepping on others to get ahead, especially if they have a different skin color than you.
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>>719632507
i agree
fuck WAR in a game called WARCRAFT
fucking retard
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WoW was shit when it came out and it will always be shit
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>>719632563
Humanity is naturally communist, we've evolved to live in small communes (tribes) where each member cared deeply about one another, which is why we evolved complex mechanisms such as empathy (lacking which, when discovered, earned you an exile) and dedicated a large amount of our brain space to mechanisms for social cohesion, being able to read social cues and approximate the mood, general physical wellbeing and disposition just from gauging their expresisons and body language. Your way of life is anti-human, unnatural and thoroughly jewish.
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>>719625262
you owned him
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>>719632739
I'll be sure to use this argument if I run into someone who says my shitpost without a hint of irony.
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>>719632616
>i agree
Good.
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>>719611042
>commie
The only just copyright is the law of Anne, under which WoW is public domain. Every extension was at the behest of Jewish media interests.
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>>719632824
I don't care to consider whether you were ironic or not.
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>>719632056
scenarios
brawler's guild
pet battles (introduced in the same xpac)
later in the xpac timeless island

you are a woddler.
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Does twow have dungeon finder?
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>>719632973
It does, but it only matches you with a party that fits your criteria, it doesn't teleport you to the dungeon.
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>>719624610
>No, just retooled zones from WoW's later expansions.
correct me if i'm wrong
i dont remember those 2 zones in retail wow but i haven't played the last 2 or 3 expansions
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>>719633014
>captura de pantalla o algo
pserverfags not beating the poorfag third worlder allegations...
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>>719633014
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>>719633010
OK good
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>>719633064
i rather buy cocaine for a festival than pay blizzard any money
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>>719632834
>5 years old retard doesn't understand sarcasm
what a surprise
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>>719610727
Ultra based
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Did orcs ever get a single W in all of warcraft lore?
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>>719633316
Saurfang called Sylvanas a bitch
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>>719610560
funny coming from a blizzard fanboy knowing warcraft history
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>>719633357
Didn't garrosh do that?
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No further commentary necessary. Retail is a safe space for marginalized folx and turtle is taking that away from them.
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>>719612313
hell yeah
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>>719633074
content so good it's not even worth exploring the map... damn... blizzard better watch out...
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>>719633596
[image of a player wearing programmer socks]
[image of a gm using a custom anime model]
kneel turtlebuck.
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>>719631465
>WoD apologists are now a thing.
God I hate this fucking board sometimes. Some of you faggots live off of beinh contrarians for no reason other than attention.
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Anyone on either side of this drama who cares about this and thinks this is anything more than a nothingburger is a terminally online, neurotic retard.

Perfect for /v/ I guess?
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>>719634048
Is it true WoD happened because instead of executing Garrosh for blatantly nuking cities and enslaving pandas the Horde decided to hold a court meeting and asked the bronze dragons to be impartial timetravel witnesses and one of them was secretly an evil bronze dragon that wanted to create the Garrosh-verse with an infinite army of Garroshes?
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>>719624610
>>719633687
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>>719634373
it was a cured of madness Black Dragon that saught the help of a Bronze Dragon that was slipping into Infinite Dragon territory to create an infinite Orc army to defend Azeroth from the Burning Legion.
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>>719634579
>to create an infinite Orc army to defend Azeroth from the Burning Legion.
That has got to be the most retarded fucking idea i nexistence.
>create an elite infinite army of former crack addicts to wage war on the infinite supply of drugs and drug dealers
>nothing will go wrong, trust me
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I've been playing there lately and the custom content is pretty neat.
In the unlikely event they get scared into complying with Blizz I hope they dump all the server files and someone else can host using the same zones and instances. Would be a shame if it was all lost to time.
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>>719610727
You forgot to mention the part where the server owners are jews themselves making profit off of someone elses IP.
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Maybe Garrosh should've nuked Wyrmrest Temple. Alex would be missed but every other Aspect has been actively harmful to Azeroth.
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>>719634930
>bronze are supposed to be time jannies
>the only direct threat to the timeline are evil corrupted versions of themselves who also think they are being time jannies
No reason for those idiots to exist.
Also what purpose does the Emerald Dream serve besides occasionally leaking old God shit into the real world?
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>>719630553
>"dude we have to write Chromie's real name now"
>"kk Chro... normu it is! :)"
>lorefags lose their shit because they didn't follow standard yellow dragon naming conventions
>"uhhhh... well you see... eeehrrm..... oh yeah, actually??? yeah she's trans actually, haha!! no no we didn't make a mistake no lol you bigots :)))))"
always a good kek
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i was thinking about leveling a character through Unreal WoW, but i keep hearing about all the transvestites that play on Turtle.
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>>719635728
there is not a single MMO not filled to the brim with them buddy
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>>719632137
>Rotations
>Fun

When blizzard released that auto rotation thing and it outperformed 75% of the players in spite of the built-in damage decrease, it proved that rotation sloppers were full of shit. No one likes em, no wants to do em and no one knows how to do em lol

People think learning your rotation is some form of skill expression but in reality it is babies first rhythm game that no one can be bothered with further evidencedby most players playing paladin these days which has the easiest rotation with no bullshit bloat.

Imagine if in the next souls game they had you put in button combinations instead of just pressing r1/r2 everyone would hate it.
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>>719634568
>mountains on all sides
how the fuck do you even get there?
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>>719635926
>swim from stormwind
>cave pass from searing gorge
>cave pass from burning steppes
level 28 to 34 btw
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>>719626021
They absolutely did
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>>719635774
Warmane is pretty based. Always plenty of people spamming the nigger and faggot words to scare normies off.
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>>719635926
See the path to the south? Leads directly to Stormwind harbor. There is a new huge ass gate.
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>>719636201
>>719636098
so it's an alliance-only safespace leveling zone? lame. i've heard twow's custom content was heavily favored towards the alliance and it still seems to be the case.
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>>719619332
Just join the pvp server if you want to play with (semi)normal ppl. The world chat there is mostly 4channers, judging by what the things being written there are.
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>>719635871
>soulsbabs would hate difficulty
This isnt exactly an argument, elden slop showed everyone just wanted to exploit whatever was broken (mimic, rivers, comet,etc)
And one button didnt come anywhere close to 75%. Stop repeating streamer clickbait
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>>719627615
worth it
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>>719636427
Geographically speaking, wouldn't make much sense to be a leveling zone for horde as well, since it's right between SW and Dun Morogh, with the only other connection being through either searing gorge, which it does connect to and where invading dark iron and orcs come from, or the burning steppes.
The other new zone, grim reaches, has quests for both factions, but in general, there were way more unused zones in the eastern kingdoms compared to kalimdor.
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>>719609665
Blizzard is suing a company that
>is registered in hong kong
>has its servers in Kazakhstan
>owner is in Russia
yeah Idk what Blizzard is smoking. The US government cant even get Snowden, how are they going to get TurtleWow?
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>>719637363
>actually believing the servers are in Khazakstan
lol
And half the devs are in the EU, theyre getting raped
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>>719637363
It's being hosted in the UK
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>log in
>do /who
>population down by ~50%
grim
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my warlock twink alt is almost in its appropriate bracket!
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>classic+ for free???
>noooooo, you must give big corporations all the money! + support all the degenerate stuff inserted into the game
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>>719637695
pay up goyim
Midnight isn't going to fund itself
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>>719637695
But anon! All those players on turtle would surely move over to retail and PAY if turtle were shut down!!
An Everquest private server got sued by Daybreak two months ago so that probably influenced Blizzard's decision.
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>>719637930
nah it's more likely blizzard intends to kill off competition before they release their own classic+ just like they did with nostalrius when classic first launched.
0% chance they won't fuck it up and turn it into retail-lite though
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>>719629786
>>It's nothing but Frost Mages doing World PVP on Classic
classic pvp is dog shit
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>>719638203
but le epic retribution oneshots? le epic windfury oneshots?? le seduction + soulfire drakedog kino??????????
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>>719638014
>chink goldbots running rampant and going completely unpunished
>economy in absolute ruins
>cash shop selling boosts and wow tokens
>same autistic zoomer community of classic
>world dead because everyone just boosts through dungeons
>same pozzed censorship
>fucked class balance and retail spells
anyone asking for official classic+ is a colossal faggot
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>>719612313
This isnt twow tho. Ret pallies have holy strike and a few other combat options in twow, they dont just seal up and wait for judgement cooldown
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>>719633590
Umm we don't talk about that anymore sweaty
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>>719638414
you'd be surprised at the amount of people still willing to scarf of blizzard's diarrhea
or maybe not really considering they're posting in this thread too.
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>>719638274
>le mage/rogue doing infinite resets whenever they're about to lose a duel and drinking to full
>le warlock doing 80% of your health in one fear with no break
>le ele sham war stomping and globaling you
>le 10 second kicks
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>>719630553
I don't care if Chromie is trans, I would still fuck the shit out of her.
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>>719638414
But enough about turtle, what about blizzards classic+?
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>>719638414
I played 2006 vanilla, 2015 nost, 2019 classic, 2023 era and then season of discovery. It was their vision for classic+ and it was basically just "vanilla HP values with cata spells". I have no hope.
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>>719638739
...out of 10!
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>>719638414
And that's why I play on Turtle.
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>>719638915
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>>719638739
Heroes of the Storm was clear she's female, you're good. (Current WoW devs are non canon)
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>>719639937
>clear she's female
sauce.
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>>719639937
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqGFfmTOzc8&t=79s
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>>719638964
Of all the things that blizzard has done what they did to her was the worst
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sorry I had bad aim
>>719640391
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>>719640482
shortstack 9/11
fortunately everything after WoTLK is fanfiction and pozzed nu-Blizz retcons can be safely dismissed as such
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>>719609665
nothing. russia is using taxes from p2w items sold in the in-game store to fund their war effort
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>>719641124
based if true
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>>719624610
Blizzard never even bothered making Timbermaw Hold and TWoW is doing that next patch.
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>>719641596
>we have emerald nightmare at home
not beating the porting shit over from retail allegations...
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>>719641596
Is there even going to be a next patch?
How much of the content team is from NA and western EU? Even if the server keeps going I wonder how many people are jumping ship to save their own asses.
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>>719641596
playbase is already down by over half since the C&D announcement. there won't be a next patch.
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>>719641842
>half of 15k
still more people combined than on any of the official classic realms kek
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>>719641754
It's dead, anon. The nanosecond even one member of the team gets a direct lawsuit against him, everyone else will bail. Literally the only place where you are MAYBE safe is Russia, and God help you if the war ends and international relations normalise.
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>>719641940
Russia doesn't extradite people to the U.S. unless they step on the state's shoes
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>>719641897
cope lmao. we already knew the ~10k average was a botched playercount, the situation is really fucking grim if it's 5k now and the number is still botched
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>>719642057
meanwhile mop can barely break 1k
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>>719637695
The funniest thing about posts like these is that Turtle's cash shop is 100x more Jewish than anything in retail WoW's store lol.
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>>719641702
Retard
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>>719642206
mobile auction house and mailbox for 90 dollars
mythic+ and raid boosts

you seem to have made a mistake and uploaded an image of the joker instead of a real clown
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>>719642206
>full price expansion
>15$
>timed exclusive 100 USD mounts, purchasable in-game gold, max level character boosts
Can't really think of anything more jewish than that.
I don't like the mobile auctioneer or repair bot in Turtle either but let's not give Blizzard a free pass.
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>>719641596
Why don't turtle just make shit instead of this endless kitbashing or stealing from tbc/wotlk? It's not even particularly hard, wow models are very low poly.
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>>719612313
unc see this and say its fire
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>>719610727
do your mow your neighbors lawn if they skip a week?
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>>719610727
giga trvke
copyright law is a spook that only exists to serve billionaires
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>>719611986
>TF2
>S&box
these fags had it coming
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>>719609665
Fellow gamers, today true gaming won against piracy and copyright infringement

True ethical gamers never use illicit products that harm the industry we so love. Let's hope blizzard delivers an AMAZING experience with midnight!
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>>719617810
>silithus
>ashbringer
that's a max level ret chad you're talking to homo
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>>719642857
so true sis can't wait for the next BLM quest, or maybe we'll finally get a trans rights quest this xpac. marginalized folx especially in the US need to know people have their back.
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>>719632282
this
retail is a fucking abomination that needs to die in nuclear fire
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>>719642618
Blizzard has been endlessly kitbashing shit from vanilla/tbc/wotlk and nobody bats an eye.
How many times have they reused the belf and nelf models for playable races at this point?
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>>719632282
It doesn't matter, it's their IP. People still play them so there's still a market for them. They can do whatever they want with it no matter how mad some russian or chinese counterfeiters get mad they're not being catered to.
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>>719636098
aren't those 2 zones like lvl 45-50+?
so you go there from stormwind at lvl 28 and return back to stormwind when you are 34, as there is nowhere else to go
sounds like bad game design
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I just read Atlas Shrugged recently and it makes me hope Blizzard acts like the protagonist and kills them for being Communist faggots with no respect for copyright

this is the american way
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>>719643315
bootlick
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>>719612313
oof brooo that webm makes WANT to play wow again, holy shit too much nostalgia.
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>>719637652
Oh no only 6000 people online i can actually farm shit now without competing with 3 other people.
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>>719619332
maybe they're all spooks and intelligence agents?
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>>719643406
Respect property rights, you brown-coded subhuman.
It's literally that fucking easy.
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>>719643406
corporations are entitled to legal rights and it's not our place to question that. doing so would be promoting illegal activities and undermining the rules of our society.
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>>719643323
now read the superior seguel
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>go to the gym
>come back
>half the thread filtered
you underage drones can't really talk without meme words
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>>719643459
>>719643472
denounce the Talmud, golems
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>>719643442
I-IS THAT OTHER PEOPLE? PLAYING -MY- MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER GAME??? AIIIIIEEEEE SAVE ME C&DMAN
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>>719643527
if you don't respect copyright you are an immoral antisocial individual who should be locked up. i refuse to pirate any games because i do not want to violate the legal rights of other people, maybe just maybe you can learn some empathy and do the same.
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>>719643543
kek this. retailbrained solofags are a disease.
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>>719621905
yes
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>>719643584
>
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>>719643584
hello jew
what does dick taste like?
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>>719619516
You jest but maybe pokemon had a point about stolen designs
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>>719621362
The AI's long dash is what takes the cake.
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>>719612313
peak wow was here
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>>719643584
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>>719643747
ok, let's unpack this. somehow respecting the legal rights of my fellow citizens and being a moral agent with reverence for the rules of our democracy makes me ethnically jewish?
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why not just make a wow clone instead of stealing wow assets

"b-b-b-b-b-but blizzard shouldve been bankrupt 500 years ago from all their incompetence!!! stop heckin defending le big corporino!!!"

and yet here we are, 30 years later blizzard is still "afloat" meanwhile youre willing to put your faith on a bunch of thieves working with ue5 of all things
an engine that they didnt even make themselves

private server retards are more delusional than a tranny retaildrone
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>>719643839
>respecting the (((legal rights))) of my (((fellow citizens))) and being a moral agent with reverence for the rules of our (((democracy))) makes me ethnically (((jewish)))?
Yeah.
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>>719644132
vulpera /wowg/ faggot
post instantly discarded
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>>719609665
whats the point of porting it to unreal if it still looks shit
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>>719644132
>furry
>retard
what a surprise
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>>719632329
players ruined world pvp
>45 undead rogues camping flight master
wow, great experiences
homie, I got homework to do, can I finish this quest in the next two hours?
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>>719644246
Because Turtle runs on an ancient version of the WoW client that is plagued with endless problems especially on modern systems
In theory porting it to UE5 would make creating more custom content for the game easier as well as help with compatibility.
Realistically they should've just ported it to the Wrath client instead because UE5 fucking sucks and every preview they've shown of WoW running in it looks like rancid dogshit.
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>>719610560
I want to play vanilla+ WoW.

MicroActiBlizzard over the past 12 years has made it clear they don't want to offer me Vanilla+ WoW.

What they do want to offer me is some twisted take on Vanilla+ ruined by retailfags and being inherently a flavor of the month wipe based experience.

It's because of that I'm grateful MicroActiBlizzard's lawsuit is little more than something to be laughed at while dormers seethe and cope.
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>>719644346
pick a pve server like the faggot you are
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>>719642527
>mobile auction house and mailbox for 90 dollars
means absolutely nothing in retail

you're coping hard, ivan
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>>719644132
nu-blizz DEI hires would shit their pants if they were told to make a new engine
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>>719644483
being able to check auctions and buy shit from anywhere in the wrold means nothing? who the fuck is coping, ranjeet?
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>>719644483
>it doesn't count because I say so!
Charging money for gameplay features in a game you are already charging people a monthly fee to play + yearly full price expansion packs is abhorrent in any regard. Only a rat faced kike would disagree.
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>>719644483
>means absolutely nothing in retail
then why did so many people buy it anon? let me guess, it was a donation out of the goodness of their heart to support their favorite developers?



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