>ruins like half of the weapons by complaining that they are overpowered in comp and make valve nerf them to the ground>have banlists that bans 90% of the weapons anywaysWhy don't compfags just ban the weapons they don't like?
tf2 is full of mentally ill idiots. the comp scene even more so
>>719611126why don't they ban the actually OP weapons like the mediguns?
>>719611126People still play TF2? I got bored around the time they added hats and took your items if you joined idle servers.
>>719611648>took your items if you joined idle servers.that only happened if you used commandline mode
>>719611126I'll never understand why you people blame the comp community instead of Valve for doing a half assed job that they never followed up on. They "listened" to the comp community and threw out their suggestions like pick/ban systems and class limits, and just decided they would do things their own way. They didn't want to do the work, the same kind of fine detail balancing they do for games like Dota2, for TF2 because they didn't give a shit.
gas all compniggers
>>719612104fuck off casualfag 6v6 and highlander are how the game are meant to be played.
>>719611126Was there an actual provable instance that the devs nerfed/buffed a weapon for comp? To me they seem to be in their own space, as these are the same guys to nerfed the Bison for literally no reason.
Most bans were deserved honestly. Caber and Sandman were cancerous
Tf2 got ruined when they added non-standard weapons.
>>719612171>called highlander>isnt free for all>nobody is smoking weed and landing a spaceship
>>719612472the first round of class updates was perfecteverything after that pretty much immediately started ruining the game
>casualnigger complains about weapons being banned>class with the most banned weapons is scout >most other weapons that are banned are shit like the wrangler, short circuit and vaccinator that even most pub players would happily delete from the game if given the chance
>>719612627how the fuck does scout have any banned weapons? stock scout is the best well rounded loadout, no? lmao
why did he recruit tranny pedophiles to his team?b4nny is a silly guy
>>719611126maybe git gud instead of using nigger weapons kek
>>719612740None of the stock stuff is banned for any class in any comp circle. It's mainly his melees getting banned as some of them promote degenerate gameplay. Sandman is obvious, Wrap Assassin could lead to Scouts running back and forth to their resupply so they can spam the bleed balls, and Boston Basher is only used to speed up charging ubers by providing a source of self damage. Crit-a-cola and Back Scatter are also banned since the mini-crit damage makes Scout very oppressive.
>>719613668https://whitelist.tf/rgl_6v6_s19none of scout's melees are banned (at least in NA). all his banned items are the soda popper and every unlock secondary but the winger.
>>719611598Because "unbalanced" means "I don't like it"These are the same retards that invented a ficticious genre of "movement shooter" in 2020 because they were mad about people calling them retards and bad at the game for crying about how the nerf was totally justified.THREE YEARS AFTER IT WAS FUCKED.
>>719613668>degenerate gameplayOnly trannies say this shit
>>719612013>Hey why do people blame the COMP community for the COMP UPDATE and associated COMPFAG NERFS.Will file this mystery up to why people don't blame Valve personally for the botting problem and find it really fucking suspicious that the people raising the alarm on it got absolutely fucking pissed about them getting nuked and demanded everyone get EVEN ANGRIER at valve for "taking too long" which is like A BILLION TIMES more needing to #ShaveTF2 than just not doing anything about them.
>>719613668how the fuck do you get shot in the back, let alone in a comp match where theres only 6 enemies and everyone is spamming voip 24/7? lmaocomp players actually being dogshit at the game is so ironic its just sad. they are tranny lovers and nigger lovers
>>719613838comp trannies using the word 'degenerate'comp is a hell of a drug
>>719613948backscatter isn't even banned. that anon is talking out of his ass.
>TF2 players bitch 24/7 about how the only game they play is the best one ever>But they also cry about weapons, classes, maps, every mechanic ever included in the game and general balance>the only thing they seem to like are the comics and throwing hundreds of dollars in a virtual casino for a funny hat with particlescan someone explain?
>>719614061Actually yeah, I just made all that up.
>>719614061figures, all the shotguns are fucking useless cos they have no ammo. even the shortstop is retarded because nobody is ever firing their shotgun full auto
>>719614061retardation and/or shitposting? in MY TF2 thread? can't possibly be
>>719613928Were you people just ignoring that Valve had been nerfing weapons the previous 2 to 3 years before MyM?
>>719614159You've constructed a ficticious concept in your head to complain about.Admittedly a fair mistake because quite literally the ENTIRE tf2 youtube scene doesn't actually like the game and are only there for perverse incentives like notoriety.
>>719611648I also bailed when they introduced the retarded hats. Quirky gay autism shit.
>>719614298Look at this thread nigger
>>719614256Why NO I'm not ignoring that Valve was modifying weapons in accordance with the no longer secret closed competive beta.But thank YOU for bringing attention to it you dumbass fucknut.
>>719614336Hey it's gay that Valve listened to some retards nearly ten years ago and made a bunch of weapons suck =/= AIIIIIEEEEE TF2 IS LE BADZORS I NEED A MILLION COMICS AND 9001 MOAR UNUZALZ
>>719614338The TF2 beta was shut down in 2013. Several years before MYM (2016), Jungle Inferno (2017) and Blue Moon (2018).
>>719614338You actually think Valve was putting this much effort into the competitive mode and wasn't shat out in a year? My god, you people really are hopelessly retarded.
>>719614509>>719614654It's common knowledge that there was a closed beta, there's no point in pretending there wasn't. You're just making yourselves look more retarded and dishonest.
>>719613668>Wrap Assassin could lead to Scouts running back and forth to their resupply so they can spam the bleed ballsThat's inefficient as fuck compared to playing normally though. They could just not do that.
>>719614738Yeah, we know, it started in 2016 and ended in 2016.
>>719611126I'll never understand partygame fags trying to turn them into serious comps>Smash brosban itemsban levelsban characters>Mario Partyban minigames>TF2ban guns>etcIf you liked the games enough to go full comp, then you should like the game enough to play the entire game
>>719614965Smash is a bad example. Items/stages being banned is just for convenience of having a ruleset that doesn't piss people off. If both players agree they can turn on items or play on shitty stages in "official" tournaments. Characters aren't banned at all.
>>719614965Thats stupid. Its like saying people should play every map in competitive even the shitty or gimmick ones just because they are in the game.
>>719615493>the game is good when you can only play 1 part of the game!
>>719614965I mean with TF2 it's mostly the case that the people in the competitive scene don't remotely like the game at all but want association with the game itself.You know>TF2's Popular>I'll associate myself with tf2>I should be popular!
>>719611126Valve half assed everything with the game leading up to MYM. Nearly everything after Robot Boogaloo (the first slop update) was disappointing and had no thought or effort put into it. Then after years of half assing everything they were shocked the game didn't suddenly reach CSGO numbers.
keep buying hats!
>>719615603sounds like anime fans to me
>>719615589People play games for fun and some parts of games are more fun than others, it's not about loyalty to the game as a whole
>>719615750I don't think anyone at Valve or reading this thread had any expectation of Compfaggotry for tf2 to make it start doing counterstrike numbes and most of the devs jumped off because they didn't want to play adult baby sitters for a bunch of fags that think a fucking parachute is overpowered.
>>719615948We're talking peak valve delusion years. >Artifact >Paid mods>VR as the future of gaming>Competitive TF2 All shidded and flopped
>>719616178Can't speak for artifact, that was dumb>Paid ModsBasically the entire source ecosystem for modding completely steamrolls everything else since there was incentives to build skills to get items officially in gameBethesda's shit with paywalls was fucking retarded.VR is still really fucking good and really the issue is the ecosystem got completely assraped by facebookI maintain it's retarded that Valve gave up on SteamHome>CompfaggotryWas the result of years of gayops to try and convince Valve it was a good ideaYou're at best 2/4.
>>719615910>I play games that I don't like
>>719612356>nerfed the caber because 6v6tards had a melty over it allowing demos to one-shot medics>nerfed the GRU because 6v6tards had a melty over it allowing heavies to make it to the midfight and not be complete deadweight>nerfed the base jumper because comp players insisted that it's actually broken in the top 0.1% of lobbies
>>719617397Most of these you could MAYBE explain away, but the BASE Jumper nerf is just completely damning, there is absolutely no denying who was responsible at that point.That and the blurb about the sandman nerf on Jungle Inferno's update page that you can just FEEL the complete fucking seethe.
>>719617397>>719617565all of these are valid nerfs for casual first and formost. Dilate.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh how I hate how much compniggertry ruined online fps. Why was comp tf2 ever a fucking thing anyway? Why couldn't these spergs just fucking play quake or something similar.
THis will probably sound like madness but I just wonder:why not make a different "ruleset" for Competitive only and alone, and just change the weapon stats for that mode, leaving the rest intact?
>>719617784Competitive tf2 is like playing competitive gmod. You missed the point nigga.
>>719617757>>719617784>>719617832>i have no idea what i'm talking about
>>719617784If Valve enforced weapon/class limits on their competitive mode, pub players wouldn’t even think of touching it.
>>719611126Yes I saw that video as well
>>719617784because then compfags couldn't force their gamemode on peoplethe whole point was to try and funnel people from casual into comp because no one was playing the comp mode that was vastly different to the normal mode and required learning so comp players bugged valve to make casual more like comp to ease that transition into compthey called it "trickle down balance" unironically for fuck sakewhat a nightmare
>>719611126Why isn't comp just a basic pistol for everyone? Only real competition is knowing who's actually better and not who gets a better gun.
>>719615603I sincerely hope that’s not what you’re actually thinking.
>>719617865>t. compie
castaway.tf
I only use stock beccause everything gets changed so drastically
>>719614965its because they suck at other games
>>719617784they bitched at valve to change weapons then ignored the new rules and made their own anyways. It's not like they play on official servers
>>719611126>Muh compfagsYou need to go back.
>>719611126comptrannies killed the game partially and valve put the rest of the nails in the coffin by aping csgo
>>719617784Because Valve at the time wanted to turn TF2 into an eSports machine that cranks out more eSports players.
I just want the dead ringer to be good again
>no one plays competitive because everyone is too busy talking about it>no one talks about casual because everyone is too busy playing it
>>719622379But then all the tryhards would be upset that Spy is no longer a free point for them.
>>719617565out of all of the nerfs sandman was one of deserved ones. you would hit one ball and win any fight without having to commit to anything
>>719611598most of the bans aren't there because it gives an unfair advantage, they're in place because compfags find them 'annoying to play against' (see: heavy moving at more than 1mph)honestly i'm not sure why they don't just ban all non-stock weapons because it's 90% of what they use anyway
>>719616672if you dislike a game because it has a single element that you dislike then i can assume you hate all video games
>>719622853>i have to remove all the elements of a game in order to make it a game that i like to play
>>719622947are you going to make a post that isn't a ridiculous hyperbole
I miss the BFB....
>>719618053smg sniper only, make it painful to play and boring to watch.
why not just play tf2classic mariokart map?
Knowing how the average /v/irgin talks about competetive Smash, that is with total ignorance, I'm forced to believe most of you guys have no idea about competetive tf2 either.
another game zoomers are keen on ruining
>>719624730yeah whole lotta people trying to fit in
They should unironically use stock only>But muh Gunboat-No.
>>719611126https://www.teamfortress.com/post.php?id=13542>Being airborne provides strategic position benefits, but at the cost of maneuverability. Increased movement options against Pyros and Demomen are balanced by increased exposure when fighting Heavies and Snipers.>In playtesting the parachute, we all had a bunch of fun, and at the end of the day that's really what we're hoping for with all of our weapons.https://www.teamfortress.com/jungleinferno/notes.php>Players often complain that the B.A.S.E. Jumper is frustrating to fight against because the target is simply too hard to hit. This is mostly due to the combination of being able to deploy/retract at will, and the amount of steering control they have - which makes them too unpredictable.Amazing how in just 3 years they went from "Having fun is what matters the most" to "Comp players don't like this so we're gonna nerf it for everyone"
>>719612740soda popper gives soldiers aneurysms, and apparently a scout or sniper constantly waddling to the resupply cabinet to throw a never ending stream of bodily fluids isn't fun
>>719611126>Gas Passer banned because of a small bug where you can throw it through thin walls>Old iron bomber was never banned despite the larger hitbox giving an advantageThey're not really consistent with their banning process, are they
>>719611126>compfagging in a gacha game
>>719622614>Um actually hitting someone with the sandman instantly teleported them in front of you and gave you crits, so it was completely reasonable that Valve made it serve zero purpose 7 years after it was released for people who never played the game when it was "unbalanced" where it would stun through uber and completely immobilized you>Please also don't think about how now being healed by most sources halves the duration of all debuffs so it's even DUMBER to whine about
>>719622379>>719622561the class is called spy, not retard who runs directly at the entire team. fuck the dead ringer
>>719627269And what exactly changes between the spy right clicking and walking past the enemy team dropping a fake corpse versus right clicking and doing the same thing without one?Besides hysterics about the spy "stealing" a kill from you?
>>719611126Logically, lower skill players will complain about weapons that are actually balanced, but they're too shit to understand how to deal with it.If higher level players can't deal with or centralize their gameplan a weapon/mechanic, then it's more than likely actually broken.The problem is comp TF2 is a completely different experience than casual and the checks and a balances of items and strategies that exist in 12v12 with all classes present suddenly disappear in a 6v6 environment with like 4 classes and give an illusion of being broken.
>>719611126TF2 has always been a shitty reddit game. Real men play team fortress classic
>gas passer bannedI will never take comp tf2 seriously and neither should you
>>719612171>TF2>A game traditionally known for a standard casual play experience>"hurr durr, comp is the way to play tf2, dumbass"
>>719611126I can't believe the Compfag Cabal™ threatened the very competent potted plant into ruining the game.Surely it couldn't be that Valve has never been able to balance TF2, it must have been my compfag boogeyman.
>NOOOO I SHOULD BE ABLE TO HAVE OVERPOWERED WEAPONS THAT TRIVIALIZE THE ENTIRE GAMEPLAY EXPERIENCE AND MAKE THINGS WORSE FOR EVERYONE!!Holy fuck. You casuals are some of the biggest retards I've ever seen. When you make a game like TF2, you need something called balancing. Having unbalanced weapons isn't fun for the other players that aren't using them and makes everything worse for everybody. This is some of the dumbest criticsm I've ever fucking seen.
>>719615910The problem is they act like the authority on the entire game when they only play one part of it. Every competitive TF2 player claims balance changes made with comp in mind will ultimately benefit casual players as well. And Valve listens because they're retarded and the casual game gets more sterilized as a result.
>>719625212It's even more amazing how you think that only compfags are capable of not liking something.
>>719630781Pretty amusingly even highlander with it's 9v9 games is fucked because one of the classes is literally designed with te fact that multiple of one nigga are running around.>It literally NEVER occurred to compfags that having all of the players on your team displayed at the top of the screen or having wallhacks for team mates would cause problems
>>719630945You can't name a single weapon that compfags got killed. Every single change was Valve being retarded, if they actually got their way the changes would have been very different.And I dislike the comp modes myself but you retards are insufferable blaming a group of people that had nothing to do with the game going to shit.
>>719630889>>719630921>>719630952It seems solarlights discord woke up.>>719630945They'd get a lot less flak if they didn't blindly defend every single change. I've even seen some retards defending the Bison's butchery
>>719630952>Not liking the old Base JumperThe only people who whined about it were compfags, it was never an issue in regular play
>>719630889>Years and years of the game not being fucked with for no reason>Multiple years of updates specifically for compfags leading up to an official compfaggot mode>beyond public knowledge that there was a closed beta and they were explicitly consulted>THE FUCKING BASE JUMPERNext in line:How could ANYONE possibly think youtubers who can't get anyone to play their dogshit servers are probably behind the bots rather than infinite hypothetical russian children with zero motivation
>>719631168Yeah, who would find someone being harder to hit a nuisance, the more skilled players who weren't even seeing it in their games, or the less skilled players who were?
what's the complete list of weapons "ruined by comp players"
>>719631351>the more skilled players who weren't even seeing it in their gamesThey weren't seeing it because they banned it. rgl.gg and etf2l just unbanned this season after 8 seasons of keeping it banned, ugc still bans itIn regular play you have classes being used full time that aren't used often in comp like Heavy and Sniper that shred through parachutes. Valve even points this out in their blog post how the parachute makes you stronger against Demos and Pyros but weaker against Heavies and Snipers
>>719631674>They weren't seeing it because they banned it. rgl.gg and etf2l just unbanned this season after 8 seasons of keeping it banned, ugc still bans itYeah so why would they give a shit if it’s good or bad?
>>719631256>he's still mentally broken by the existence of community serversIs this the tf2 thread dedicated schizoid?
>First round of axetinguisher nerfs were justified>Creates a weapon that adds way more to pyro than W+M1>Can choose from flareguns or reserve shooter>Pre-completely gutted axetinguisher, powerjack to top off, or third degree memes>Comp complained about a class they never fucking use and ruined degreaser/reserve shooter/axetinguisher>Phlog and flare spam was the new defaultShit sucks. I'll also pour one out for my Caber Knights.
>>719631839What I run is a community server.What they run is a liability for pretending anyone likes them.
>>719617742>>719622614>defending the sandman nerfYou can't be serious.
>>719631785That's my whole point?Valve nerfed it so it would see use in comp since it was already banned, but they still kept it banned anyway despite the nerfs made specifically for them. So now we have an unlock that's not used in comp (exception this season, I admit), and that's significantly worse for everyone else when it was never an issue to begin with
>>719631946Matchmaking is shit. And you don't run anything. Being in favor of community servers at all means you're a bothoster after all.
>>719631927>acknowledges that compfags never even used pyro>but it must be compfags that got axtinguisher nerfed it has to be nobody else could have possibly not liked itIt amazes me how you can think like this.
>>719631351Sentries, snipers, flaregun pyros, tomislav heavies, other soldiers. All things that are quite common in pubs, and non-existent in comp.
>>719632156>If I act like a complete schizo it'll convince people that I'm not unreasonable and he isHow's it feel to lose to furry pound lil nigga, feel good that people would rather hang out with fucking furfags than Uncle Troonies Predator Palace?
>>719632364nta but matchmaking is shit
>>719632236Sort of like how airblast mechanics were completely fucked specifically so blast jumpers could jump at the pyro with zero consequence
>>719632063Yes it’s Valve being retards glad we could agree
>>719632598And who did Valve get the idea to nerf it from?
>>719632470If matchmaking were shit and nobody liked it then the bots didn't actually matter.As it stands basically the only issue with it is the UI sucks and Alternative Game Modes are buried.Skial had no issue keeping players, Furry Pound still has fags playing it.The problem is you nigga, not the entire rest of the TF2 playerbase.
>>719632653Casuals seething over it, probably
>>719611126Additionally, why didn't they also use server plugins to rebalance the stats of such weapons to something they agree with? If smashfags made Project M, why couldn't they just make a TF2 equivalent instead of demanding Valve bend over backwards to make changes for things they won't even use anyway?
>>719632776Yeah the people who never had an issue with it were the ones seething about it, not the people that banned it and that were talking to Valve about how to rebalance weapons
>>719632921>Yeah the people who never had an issue with it were the ones seething about it,lollmao even
>>719632921>the large majority of the playerbase who complains about about absolutely everything that they don't know how to deal with had no issues with it, it was the people who weren't even encountering it
>>719611126they do exactly that thoughever? it's just not the early 2010s when you basically had to put a gun to their heads to make them allow more than kritz/gunboats/old equalizer later escape plan.nowadays you see people run stuff like market gardener, wrap assassin and until it recently actually got voted into ban town, loch n load. and there's dedicated savants making people seethe at the beggar's bazooka too, and some people doing all they can to make demoknight work.
>>719633054Compfags totally arbitrarily decided pyro is worthless and can't do anything and get baffled when they run directly into them and immediately diePeople that actually like tf2 know the pyro is dangerous and know to keep distance from itOnly one of these groups would whine about getting whacked with a melee weapon.
>>719631949I've seen people on this site and outside it defend the Sandman nerf by stating that Scout could use it to stun Ubercharged players. Except this was patched out in the Classless Update, in 2009, less than half a year after the Sandman was even added to the fucking game.
>>719633245>less than half a year after the Sandman was even added to the fucking game.And 2-9 years before the people complaining about it started playing the game
>>719632724>matchmaking had literally no issues>which is why valve had to repeatedly gut it in order to keep the playerbase on valve servers from collapsing.Also you seem to be quite adamant in downplaying the bots for someone convinced that it was all the fault of youtubers.
Apologize
>>719633371Bots WERE a problem.I'm saying if your fantasy of literally everyone hating matchmaking were real bots would be a non-issue, because everyone would be on user servers.In addition your false dichotomy of User Servers (Specifically Youtuber servers) vs Matchmaking doesn't apply and you're a retard.Hell you're so mad you can't even read that matchmaking's UI has an issue because addressing that wouldn't mean affirmative action for faggots people don't want to play with.
>>719633118Yes anon, every weapon is OP because someone in the history of this game has complained about it at some pointLet's just forget Valve said they're specifically looking at comp for feedback on rebalncing for Jungle inferno, like how to rework weapons that they bannedhttps://youtu.be/fmo2JUbpf_Y?t=211
>>719633449I'm not an emporiumfag still pissy that Vipes is alive, so I have nothing to apologize for.
>>719633449I apologize for nothing and that faggot should kill himself.
>>719611126>ruins like half of the weapons by complaining that they are overpowered in comp and make valve nerf them to the groundjust because this happened in your schizophrenic mind doesn't make it real
>>719633719>well okay people did complain about it probably BUT IT WAS DEFINITELY THE COMPFAGS IT WAS THE COMPFAGS I KNOW IT WAS IT HAS TO BE
>>719634183Ah yes because the nerfs totally didn't happen and youtubers and compfags haven't been crying about Valve not doing this anymore for the past 7 years
>>719611648>PeopleThey aren't
>>719612356B4nny outright said he was invited to give suggestions and some they added like the Phhog buff.
>>719634217Genuinely what do you expect to get out of denial of the reality of those updates and said same people STILL TO THIS DAY crying that Valve won't ruin more shit for them?
>>719633449I thought he was okay but lost respect for him when he did an interview for #FixTF2 and spent and hour of it complaining how he isn't invited to the Youtuber kool kidz klub discord while his boyfriend sucked his dick.He makes mostly correct points but has a ultra gay victim complex.
>>719634657I don't know, what do you expect to get out of denial of the reality that non-comp players are capable of disliking and complaining about things, and frequently consider things that are a little harder to counter overpowered?
>>719634657>>719635004Ignore the webm, I was going to post something else and forgot to remove it.
>>719634893The closest thing to a correct point he's ever made was that you shouldn't play on faceit's servers or download their rootkits.Which I'd say he doesn't even deserve credit for considering if you have a pulse you should realize why downloading a rootkit to play on a shitty tf2 server with strangers is fucking retarded. And allegedly just like the savetf2 shit he was only mad because he didn't get invited or paid
>>719634607Anon, you don't understand. That never happened because randos on /v/ said so.
>>719634217>We're also doing a bunch of broad game balancing work. So, looking at a bunch of the weapons that competitive players have given us feedback on specifically. In this case, we want to start to look at the game a little more closely at the high level in terms of balance too-Dave Riller, 2017Yes, it was the compfags
>>719635004>>719635067>Um but don't you know some hypothetical non-comp players could have complained too?Irrelevant.
No one in this thread has actually played TF2 6's
>>719635279I did once 15 years ago and it told me everything about why you should never listen to any of those faggots ever.I then went and played Super Zombie Fortress, because I actually played tf2 back then and aren't merely pretending to have done so.
>>719634893I also remember that one time he animated a whole gameplay clip of him charging towards a sniper as Demoman (no Tide Turner) and getting mad that the Sniper was skilled enough that he could react quick enough to headshot the demoman running in a straight line. He does get a bit unbearable when he gets pissed about something, basically.Still, his videos on stuff like Casual's flaws, team recognition-forsaking items, and the bots (i.e.: the moments where he's doing research, experiments, and just composes himself in general instead of making an incoherent babyrage) are probably the best pieces of content I've watched on this damn game and a good change of pace from Uncle Dane and the other e-celebs.
>>719635279I played TF2 Center 6s matches if that counts. It was okay, but I immediately missed playing the real game and stopped caring about Competitive.
>>719635118>if you have a pulse you should realize why downloading a rootkit to play on a shitty tf2 server with strangers is fucking retardedYou say that yet a bunch of tf2bers were shilling it hard simply because they got some free merch for doing so (some shirts and water bottles)
>>719635439>He's actually better than 2014 TFTumorsThis is>Not a complimentand>Not actually true
>>719635196>saying they want to ask competitive players what they think means they have to completely ignore what regular players think, and it also means that any change ever was the result of competitive players
>>719635572>Marketers try to sell you something regardless of the quality of the product or even if its legitimateWow anon, I never could have seen that coming.
>>719631605There's uhm the you knowand the uhhhh theshut up compfag
>>719635632>They explicitly ignored the people they specifically consulted with for infinite hypothetical people that were asking for the same thing completely incidentally.
>>719635796Yes, they ignored the compfags and did whatever the fuck they wanted. It's why the competitive mode wasn't even half baked, it didn't even enter the oven in the first place.All of this happened because Valve wanted to cash in on the OW craze at the time.
>>719635903>This is unironically what compfags believe
>>719635968I've only played a single game of 6v6 which was enough to never touch it again because the mode is shit. You have no arguments so you resort to namecalling when you're clearly wrong.
>>719611648Some of us weren't there when tf2 came out in 2007
>>719635632I'm not saying every change ever was because of comp players, people were complaining about the Sandman for years for exampleBut in the case of the base jumper yes, it was because of comp players>It was banned in comp>Not seen as OP in regular play>Valve consulted comp players how to rebalance weapons like those they banned>Result: base jumper nerfed in an attempt to make it viable in comp
>>719636045>I totally only played one game of 6s ever, but I will run damage control for them for freeEven if this was true (it's obviously not) you're still a total faggot and a retard.
>>719635796>>719636158See the problem is you're assuming based on essentially nothing that compfags hated the basejumper and wanted it nerfed, and because it was nerfed it HAS to have been the compfags because it just HAS to be okay? IT HAS TO BE!>but they banned it! they must hate it!Compfags ban shit for even having a minor, irrelevant bug, like the gas passer. Unless you can provide some actual proof that they banned it because they found it hard to counter, you're literally making leaps of logic to justify your own personal boogeyman.
Actually annoying shit that needs to be reworked:>Kunai>Rescue Ranger>Short CircuitThe rest is fine or even needs buffs, Valve's last comp-focusrd nerf round being the final balance change ever is so fucking stupid
>>719636352https://www.teamfortress.tv/45818/trickle-down-balance-uncle-daneRead smitty_'s comment:>I used the Base jumper a lot in HL before it was nerfed and it was a fucking dumb item to play against.>unless you are in a tiny enclosed space, any fight with another soldier you have is almost a free win because you surf his rocket into the air and deploy your parachute and now he has an extremely more difficult shot to make to kill you while you're fairly safe in the air and can easily spam multiple rockets from above. This is still possible, but now you're basically a sitting duck in the air and it's a lot easier to get hit.>Even when you were not fighting a soldier, you could easily jump into a flank and deploy it high in the air. From that position, everything that isn't a heavy or sniper is doing less damage to you than you are to them (so nobody on the flank and not any 6s classes) and if you miss your rockets or more people come and the fight doesn't look good, you can very easily just turn around mid air and float away. This part of the Base jump you can no longer do since your air control is so hampered when you have it out now.>It basically gave you so much control over any flank that has any decent amount of open space without giving up much and it was REALLY easy.
>>719611598They do.Reminder that Vaccinator is openly acknowledged to be broken by both pubbers and compfags.
>>719636352I know you're completely retarded, but does it really not register as completely damning to you that the stupid parachute that had literally only been complained about by specific people obviously proves who was consulted on?Like sure you can get people sold on the lie that the sandman was a major problem for the 8 years it had been in the game and it just HAD to made completely worthlessOr the deadringer is "annoying"Or making up senarios that it was actually the Snipers that got the caber nerfed, because EVERYONE hates snipers.But the base jumper is literally the most damning possible indicator of who's fault it is that a bunch of shit got nerfedLiterally only ONE group of faggots disliked it.
>>719636731>Reminder that Vaccinator is openly acknowledged to be broken>Demoknight>Spy>Sniper>Pyro with third degree or a shotgunIt's not.
>>719636823Oh and, also>Wrap assassin/Flying guillotine scout completely bypassing resistances at range
>>719636736>but where's the evidence, the peer-reviewed studies that prove this so I can believe it? I need to outsource my thinking to the experts because I'm a midwit.
they ban whatever weapon that affects how soldier and scout are played
>>719625212Those greentexts read like>we found it really fun when we look exclusively on the opinions of the players using the thing>only afterwards we actually tried asking what the people having to fight against it thought
>used to use unlock all the time over a decade ago>nowadays the it's mostly all stock besides demoknight>only nonStock weapons I even regularly use are the FaN, Scottish Resistance, and Huntsman. Maybe paintrain every now and then if we need to quickly cap.Where did we go wrong?
Remember when those evil compfags made Valve nerf the bison because it was so OP it was one shotting everyone...
>>719636736>literally one group of faggots disliked itSee this is the other problem, you're asserting based on nothing that nobody outside of competitive could have possibly disliked the weapon.>>719636660Thank you for actually providing some proof.
>>719637376Shut the fuck up you compfag retard
>>719630921It's ok when it's unbalanced weapons that you like using though, right
>>719637407I'm not asserting shit, I'm stating the known fact that literally only one short bus of retards had problems with the parachute which literally everyone here, especially you are aware of.
>>719636823>>719637038Imagine they added a "Sharp" resistance for them.
>>719636823All you're telling me is the thing forces players to switch to bad classes in order to deal with it.>but sniper isn't a bad classSniper also gets countered by vacc so I don't know why you listed him. It's broken in pubs because you can use it to single out a team's carry making it disproportionately powerful. Compfags literally acknowledge it's too powerful and ban it. In general the problem is it gives the medic themselves frequent damage resistances when the entire balancing behind the medic is that he's supposed to be a vulnerable target.Also from a game design perspective it punished players for leaving their team and doing their own things which is anti-fun.
>>719637581>it's a well known fact that nobody on the entire planet outside of compfags disagreed with me!I've never played a game of competitive in my entire life, in this game or any other, and I thought the basejumper was obnoxious to fight against, especially when people started to get good at moving erratically with it by airstrafing and rapidly toggling it.
>>719637959Blah Blah Blah I market garden the medic
>>719636352https://www.teamfortress.tv/36168/global-whitelist-unveiledThe proposed whitelist had to be updated a day later because people were complaining that the Base Jumper (and Atomizer) were allowedhttps://www.teamfortress.tv/36194/adjustments-made-to-global-whitelist
>>719638092So a strat that only works against incompetent players.
>>719638051Being disengenuous just makes it more obvious.
>>719638152Not him but plenty of people found base jumper obnoxious. It was basically liked only by the soldier and demofags using the thing.
>>719638152Disagreeing with you is not "being disingenuous"
>>719612740Most weapon bans are in place because they slightly inconvience the Meta teams.>Bonk?It lets Scout run away and tank hits>Whip?Can’t let Heavy get to the frontlines faster>Gas Passer? (Yes sometimes the Gas Passer is banned)There are some glitch spots that let you through the gas can through walls.>Quick-Fix?Honestly I have no fucking clue. It’d easily the worst medigun and jumping with it sounds like a death trap for the medic using it.
>>719638106>all that seething in the comments at the prospect of having to strategize against a new challenge for onceThese people aren't human.
>>719638298>Quick-Fix?>Honestly I have no fucking cluehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OalWDhYfdeg
>>719636051You have to be 18 to post here
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>>719638473Anon TF2 turns 18 this year...
>>719638298I get the whip ban honestly. Even if there wasn't the matter of the heavy it would still be insanely powerful for enabling the medic to reach the front line faster. Normally no matter how fast scout/solder/demo could move they would always be anchored by needing their team's medic.
>>719638663Or you know, the medic can just heal the scout, dumbass.
>>719638735Yeah that was a broken change for that very reason. Probably should have made it so Medic only gets the speed boost when the scout he's healing is damaged and then ban the boston basher.
>>719638409Still have no clueJust use the crossbow. Aren’t these Medics supposed to be top level players able to hit crossbows from different counties?
>>719639017Whoa hey anon you don't want to get into the crossbow not actually being the only viable medic weapon because some retard youtuber with the berliner's bucket helm declared it to be the case.
Whats up with all the compfag bootlicking ITT? Its well known that in the years leading up to MyM Valve was directly communicating with them and getting feedback from them in regards to balancing (and nobody else). Sure, they may not have asked for the specific changes that Valve made, but they 100% supported the idea of making the game less fun for everyone outside of their small bubble by nerfing unlocks to shit. And thats what matters at the end of the day.
>>719639604Uncle Zesty's Gaynigger Rodeo discord server has to show up to every thread to remind everyone that it's not a bad idea at all and did not result in the worst updates ever.
>>719639604I'm not defending compfags, I don't care for their mode. What I dislike is you faggots defending Valve for their absurd decisions to ruin the game by blaming it on muh compfags instead of the actual culprit.
>>719640408Why not blame both?
>>719640556Because Valve is the one responsible for making the changes to TF2.
>>719639604I hate compfags being used by retards as a convenient boogeyman to blame absolutely any and every change that they don't like on. Any and every nerf was the result of compfags, nobody outside of compfags ever had a problem with it. If you disagree it's because you're a compfag in disguise, since everyone knows only a compfag could ever have an opinion different from my own.It makes any kind of discussion on balance fucking obnoxious.
>>719640612I already told you I'm blaming valve.Why not blame both?
>>719639809>zestyI think you meant Dane, anon.
I like playing with a team that knows what they are doing and can organise to achieve objectives.I don't like playing with a team that has 6 spies on it.
>>719616635>SteamHomezoomer here, whats Steamhome?
I cannot look at any corner of my life or the world at large and not see evil people winning.
>>719637959>Compfags literally acknowledge it's too powerful and ban it.only in 6s where you can practically make you and your pocket immune to all damage since there's only 2 bullet and 3 blast damage dealers on each teamin highlander you have more enemies to deal with so you can't just tank the damage, plus you also have to deal with a competent pyro and the ever present threat of a competent spy, PLUS you have to deal with the lack of a real uberin pubs a single pyro on your team can both provide another type of damage and reduce the effectiveness of the other bubbles significantly
>>719640408Nobody here has a problem here admitting it was a bad idea for Valve to listen to you retards.Your issue is that people won't EXCLUSIVELY blame Valve for it.
>base jumper gets nerfed in a way that made literally no difference to casual players>COMPFAGS ARE KILLING TF2>spy gets his kneecaps broken for the 50th time to appease dogshit casual players with no ears>this is heckin based actually!
>>719641231When tf2 threads only blame compfags for the state of the game and not a single blame falls on Valve then yes I will call you out on it.Also>anyone I disagree with is a compfagPromptly kill yourself.
>>719640782Same fucking thing.
>>719641009Then you're looking at how strong the vacc is under very a very specific composition.I had a conversation on these threads once about the idea of compfags playing full 12v12 games with no class and weapon restrictions. Simply as a test to see what the actual meta in the game is. And after having one absolute retard get butthurt about the mere idea of even trying this another anon said this had been done at once point and what gets confirmed is that the vaccinator is actually incredibly powerful.
I bet there are some compfags out there who recognize that certain weapons are dogshit and would try to make them viable.Meanwhile for 8 years, Valve has been keeping weapon balance under lock-and-key, making almost no changes either good or bad.
>>719641515>Zesty hates comp and comp "balance">Dane worships comp and coined the term "trickle-down balance" to defend comp balancing.I don't like either of them, but come on.
>>719641731And I hope it stays that way, I do not trust anyone at Valve to not fuck things up even further so I'd rather they didn't update the game ever again.
>>719641515zesty is /v/ incarnate who seethes 24/7 about compfags while being absolute dogshit at the game. he thinks stock fists are better than gru.
>>719640943The tl;dr is it's basically the closest thing to a Source 2 Base SDK there is.
>>719641502It's not that "anyone I disagree with is a compfag" it's you specifically who are fucking livid people won't solely blame Valve for the COMPETITIVE UPDATE and the compfags dindu nuffin who is obviously a compfag.
>>719612013Kind of wild that in basically any field except for TF2, the difference between the optimal and suboptimal is always closer than the suboptimal and the dogshit. No it can't be that the demands stemmed from a tremendous misunderstanding of why people play TF2 led to them implementing shitty decisions.
>>719630921Comp 6's allows the Darwin Danger Shield because I shit you not "Pyro isn't an important class".6's is a fucking joke.
>>719641669>another anon said this had been done at once point and what gets confirmed is that the vaccinator is actually incredibly powerful.I don't doubt that anon's experience but it seems like a very limited samplewithout more information I can't take this at face value since I suspect>comp players didn't play pyro>comp players didn't play spy>comp players didn't have much experience countering the vaccinatorI'd wager most comp players don't main pyro/spy since 6s revolves around the "generalist" classesanother aspect that makes the vaccinator "OP" is that its main weakness, lack of uber and overheal, is made up for by simply having another medic running stock. but it's hard to determine if the vaccinator is good under those conditions or if it's just the effect of having two medics (which is why class limits exist in the first place). I'd like to see more testing before I take this as evidence of the vaccinator being truly unbalanced.
>>719639604For time eternal there's been a basement full of troglodyte manchildren convinced that it is they/them who know why people play video games. And the second one company gave them a chance, the game fucking imploded and never recovered. So now we have to do "Real Competitive has never been tried, that was Corpo Competetive, read my blogspot" until they find another game to kill or we repeal the welfare state.
>>719642216>It's not that "anyone I disagree with is a compfag">Nobody here has a problem here admitting it was a bad idea for Valve to listen to you retards.At least read what you write instead of acting defensive when called out on your retardedness.I wouldn't have a problem if people here actually blamed Valve even once instead of only going compfag this and compfag that. And if you disagree with me you're a compfag too. You're fucking obnoxious.
>>719642364several years back b4nny and a few others pushed to get as many items taken off the blacklist as possible to end the constant whining from casual players who want to run dumb shit in 6s. as poorly designed as the dds is pyro gets farmed by scouts regardless. the logic the chance that pyro is being run the same time as a sniper, the pyro can get close enough to kill the sniper, and the sniper isn't running literally anything else was such an incredibly unlikely scenario that keeping it banned didn't accomplish anything.
>>719640759>nobody outside of compfags ever had a problem with ityou can make an argument for the sandman and the ambassador, but other than that, most of the weapons that got nerfed to shit were completely fine in the normal game and it was indeed only the compfags that had a problem with it, so quit coping.
>>719640918Tryhard, next you will say that friendly hoovies are annoying and make regular matches less fun.
>>719642695Maybe you should read your post
>>719641731>Meanwhile for 8 years, Valve has been keeping weapon balance under lock-and-key, making almost no changes either good or badthe gas passer/neon annihilator combo is pretty fun when it works tbdesu
>>719642953>loch oneshotting 125 classes at any distance is fine>pyro reserve shooter combo is fine>iron bomber being a straight upgrade is fine>PBPP giving scout 140 health is fine>soda popper giving scout free mini crits is fine>caber oneshotting meds is fine>bison getting nerfed is fine
>>719641903Just because he glazes himself on /v/ doesn't mean he "is" /v/.
>>719643719Oh no a 140 HP scoutHe will still die to two shots from every primaryYou fags are retarded
>>719643719>loch oneshotting 125 classes at any distance is fine>pyro reserve shooter combo is fine>iron bomber being a straight upgrade is fine>PBPP giving scout 140 health is fine>soda popper giving scout free mini crits is fine>caber oneshotting meds is fineunironically yes thats all fine, git gud>bison getting nerfed is finethis is cancer and it needs to be buffed
>>719643917>t. has never played an mge sweatlord scoutscout is a fucking demon if you have good dm skills and mops the floor with every other combat class and it's not even close. 140 base with 210 overheal is insane.
>>719611126>Why don't compfags just ban the weapons they don't like?but they do
>>719643719>caber oneshotting meds is finemost melee weapons do that already with random crits, and you dont take any damage on top of that
>>719644224>most melee weapons do that already with random critswow almost like random crits are bad game design
>>719611126The dead ringer is the only weapon I'm very happy it got nerfed into shit, fuck spy mains lmao. Next nerf the kunai into shit so I can stop seeing it
>>719644309my point is that random crits are disabled in comp, which means the only people who would ever complain about the caber are compfags
give it back fuck you whoever ok'd getting rid of it, probably jill or eric
>>719644382fuck you whoever made it in the first placego back to your ASSFAGGOTS
>>719644373if you're going to use random crits to defend caber's design you also have to make the argument that all casual players enjoy random crits which many don't.
>>719622379>>719644326do you people come from a parallel universe?fucking dead ringer is the most common spy watch
>>719644382>>719644430Just use the wrap assassin you retards
>>719644509youre either retarded or a zoomer if you don't know how much more satisfying stun cleaver was
>>719644472Mostly only used by shitters now and it's only good with the kunai now because it's so OP. So I if the kunai got nerfed as well I could enjoy another evening of salty spy mains crying on Reddit
>>719644675>satisfyingone-shotting a player who cannot move or fight back isn't satisfying. go play a single player game
>>719644675Damage is damage nigga.Wrap and guillotine always made more sense to me.That and Three Rune Blade.Nobody knows what to do when they take 155 damage and are double bleeding for 80
>>719644469I dont have to make any arguments. Caber was fine in the vanilla game because of the presence of random crits. Whether people dont like them or not is completely irrelevant here, the weapon was balanced.
>>719644839you're still mad about a stunball you were too shit to dodge 12 years ago? let it go.
>>719637959>All you're telling me is the thing forces players to switch to bad classes in order to deal with it.....Yes? TF2's class balance has always been about "rock paper scissors" and switching classes to counter what the enemy team has.Nega.
>>719611126Reminds me of COD ESL scene,UMP45 only faggotry
>>719644874In that case, just restore the combo? It doesn't seem like it'll affect the sweats if they're just going to use Wrap anyway
>>719611126>Why don't compfags just ban the weapons they don't like?they do, you've just described the era when Valve entertained the idea of turning TF2 into a competitive game, and compfags believed Valve would deliver on their promiseneato update btw
>>719644948Erm no anon, it's been about specific heroes you're locked into for the whole game and it's unfair if I can't 1v1 the enemy team and they're adding Hats that my hero would NEVER EVER WEAR
>>719611126Valve has never once acquiesced to comp players. It's a miniscule portion of the player base. Idiot zoomer
>>719645009Because "crit on stun" is a fucking retarded mechanic, and it's dumb to invent a synergy when it already has natural ones with the boston beefstick and the wrap assassin
>>719644704>Mostly only used by shitters nowit's straight up worse if you can't trickstab.bad spies won't take advantage of the speed boost.
>>719644309stop being shit at the game then uncle pedo
>>719611126they are retarded and think of themselves as more important than what they really are
>>719644874of course ypu are obsessed with bleeding, troon
imagine your game having a 'comp' scene that is just made up of a few self declared pros that decide how to play the game.btw every game ever
>>719638473Kids born around the release of tf2 turn 18 this year or are already 18.....you are old anon and i bet you are either 30yo or more.
>>719636823imagine listing demoknight as a counter to anything lmao
>>719636823spy, demoknight, and pyro are garbage classes that get farmed by anyone with a brain.
>>719612171>Meant to be played>Has to implement major restrictions to player/class numbers, playable gamemodes, and create banlists to make TF2 fit their visionCompniggers are almost as bad as worksloppers
>game has genuinely retarded weapons >comp just bans them>quickplay instead has to endure egocentric sociopaths who demand to terrorize a server by using them>valve decides to attempt their bi-yearly attempt at balancing the game>they clearly understand they are terrible at it by now after spawning so many retarded weapons>they have no actual basis on how to make them better and their playerbase is pants on head autistic and genuinely spends hours of their lives roleplaying on jailbreak servers and congaing>they ask the 3 comp players who are there>they barely listen to their feedback and even ask them insane questions like wether they should buff the reserve shooter or not>they deliver a dogshit update and dont touch the game for 5 years>they release a bunch of half assed changed later and then go radio silent foreverAnyone blaming anything but Valve pretending to give a shit about this game before abandoning it is a purebred mongoloid.
>list things that valve did>GRRRR FUCKING COMPFAGS>repost this for yearswho is the person making these threads? like last i checked compfags didn't make valve gut minigun for literally no reason. or gut everything outside of combo pyro and then gut combo pyro. or any of that shit. just a few lame late-era-TF2 gimmick weapons like the parachutei mean shit the soda popper's still there and that shit is just cheating
>>719648869It's such a joke coming back from other FPS games with devs who don't eat crayons who actually fix shit when it becomes apparent that it's a problem while TF2 has been suffering from bad decisions for so long half the playerbase has developed stockholm syndrome for Valve. We're talking about a group of retards who decided giving the DDS the ability to tank headshots was a good idea and that they needed to nerf the bison because it was too strong. Valve has proven time and time again they suck at balancing multiplayer games.
highlander is better
Did a comp discord get pinged or something? There's standard /v/tard contrarianism, and then there's whatever the fuck is going on itt.
>>719618028MVP
>>719617784Look at how fucking lazy valve is in regards to TF2 and you really think they'd even consider duplicating the amount of work they'd have to do if they did this?
>>719650221>claim made by someone who does not play highlander
>>719650584i played in ugc, try again
>>719650221>sniper does everything is better
>>719639604>that picgemmy
>>719647689kys tranny
>comp players play their own scene with their own rules to play a version of the game they actually find fun (they clearly have more passion for the game than the median pubber as they know what they like about it enough to have legitimate opinions about it, not blind love) >pub players for some reason have a problem with this and condemn them from having banlists in their own mode nobody else playsit's like smash bros casuals from the 2000s bitching about no items comp existing
Compfags defenders, are you telling me Valve came out with Meet the Match 2016 themselves
Nobody liked Meet Your Match and Valve could at any point (including today!) revert those changes. They didn't because they barely give a shit about the game.The only point valve gets in their favor is they pulled the ultimate End Of Service card and gave out mod tools. If people hate what TF2 is now they can literally just run a superior version and even put it up on steam.
btw while meet your match was genuinely fucking terrible for the community server ecosystem TF2 was already on a downward trend before that point with mannconomy introducing oodles of garbage weapon bloat, visual clutter, worsening performance, etc. 2014 was not the golden age like fuckin' 2008-9 was and on top of that, is it really entirely even valve's fault that putting community servers a few buttons down the menu killed so many community servers? On a practical level yea if they hadn't done that, community servers would be more alive- but holy fucking shit it's because the community is unbelievably stupid and lazy. Same with people saying TF2 is DYING FOREVER when the community servers are right fucking there, people just didn't want to go through the borderline nonexistent effort of using them when they could just press da big green play button!
>>719651614>competitive turbine>no item bans or class limits>locked settings that keep most of the comp playerbase from even trying it>only comp player that was """consulted""" was b4nny which his only quoted contribution is asking for them to not buff the reserve shooter
>>719648869only sane person in this entire thread
>>719651614>ummm are you REALLY saying that valve isn't hecking wholesome 100 chungus???im starting to understand why people seethe about valve fanboys. despite being presented with overwhelming proof that valve fucked up tf2 and doesn't give a shit, they double down on retarded shit that has been proven wrong over and over again because not doing so would be admitting that valve did something bad.
>>719638556Like half the people playing are younger than this game
>>719651061Im sorry that reminding you of your old bones hurt you so much.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqxM7ARw9bYmge looks like more fun than 6sit's walmart quake
>>719644948No it hasn't. Go ahead, there's an entire dev commentary where this core design philosophy you're talking about must have been brought up at least once. So surely you can find it being mentioned?The one actual stated design philosophy that was stated for the original team fortress was the goal of having a system where everyone would find something they like playing because the actual point of the classes was appealing to as many different people as possible.In any case you're missing the point. The fact that countering the vacc requires switching to a shit class is precisely what makes it powerful, which was what was being argued to begin with.
>>719642454>I'd wager most comp players don't main pyro/spy since 6s revolves around the "generalist" classesI think that's it though. Spy and Pyro aren't good classes, telling compfags that there suddenly aren't class restrictions and they are very unlikely to bother with them. Which in turn causes vaccinator to be much more powerful. Thing is that doesn't necessarily mean Spy/Pyro suddenly become useful either. Because the disadvantage of switching to them probably outweighs the advantage of being able to deal with vacc better.
>>719658102>Because the disadvantage of switching to them probably outweighs the advantage of being able to deal with vacc better.people don't think in terms of opportunity class.They're not thinking about what they're giving up by going pyro or spy for a vaccinator, they're thinking about potentially making the vacc medic's job /slightly/ more difficult.
>>719659093*opportunity cost
>>719611126One comp nigger whent to the valve offices to discuss weapon balance and didn't even know what the mad milk does.Comp fags are so fucking retarded and I lost any hope for valve to ever listen to them
>>719611126>try to join vanilla server>the guns are not vanillaMade me quit the game
>>719611126>shit like sandman/FON/natasha/jarate get released>comp goes into the dark ages and staggers off>almost a decade later the scene is still a giant jokeit would be funny if it wasn't so sad
Base jumper nerf makes no sense in casual TF2. Why? Hitscan nigga. Redeploying may make hitting projectile harder, but by god that Heavy is going to shred you.
>ctrl+f sandman>13 resultssandtrannies eternally btfo
MEDIC!
I hate how Heavy is still eternally stuck as dogshit even after all these years, and the reason he will never get a buff to not be some shit to play is because Medic exists and because compniggers seethe about him nonstop even though he's terrible in most scenarios and is typically just a giant , slow walking target with a mediocre damage output.If you don't have a Medic you're stuck for 5 seconds healing yourself and praying to whatever god you believe in that there's no Spies or Soldiers roaming near you.Heavy deserved better, he's the face of TF2, but he was shafted and nerfed and beaten and compfaggots convinced everyone that Pyro was the class that needed reworks and thanks to that we ended up with the worst update in the history of TF2 and with the most mediocre to shit set of weapons imaginable.
>>719617784That's shit, just let compfags ban anything they don't like. It's how all healthy competitive scenes have done it for all time, even smeleefags.
>>719611126I'm fine with compfags making their own retarded rules my problem is when the devs themselves decide to also get involved. for fucks sake the steak got gutted for being "too good at rollouts" so valve ruined it for everything BUT rollouts
why is everyone talking about competitive like literally anyone plays it at all, it'd be as if the three heavy mains were speaking on the behalf of every other class
>>719663006>for fucks sake the steak got guttedIT HAS NOT BEEN NERFED A SINGLE TIME YOU RETARDED NIGGER
>>719663336Because compniggers like faggot Dane fucking ruined the game after they were allowed any leeway with saying what should be done with TF2, and now years after they were largely responsible into the game turning into shit they all either left TF2 or they pretend they had NOTHING to do with things going to shit, even though they went to fucking Valve and demanded EVERY. SINGLE. SHIT. FUCKING. CHANGE. That ended up getting made in Fuck Your Match.Nobody plays comp in fact, it's less than 5% of the total playerbase, TF2 has always been a highly casual game with dogshit balance and it was fun like that even though it had issues. COMPFAGS DON'T EVEN PLAY NORMAL TF2, NONE OF THEM DO, SO MUCH SO THAT QUITE A FEW OF THEM DON'T EVEN KNOW HALF THE FUCKING WEAPONS IN THE GAME WORK BEFORE THEY STARTED BITCHING TO VALVE THAT EVERYTHING NEEDED TO BE NERFED OR REWORKED.I wished Dane was castrated in public and beaten to a bloody pulp for his involvement in this dogshit, he and his redditor cocksuckers are a plague on this game.
>>719663823just fork tf2 bro it's practically open source now
I just play The Finals now.
>>719663881>JUST FORK IT BROfuck off, fix the fucking base game
>>719663881Fuck no.
>>719663336because the people creating the scenarios and strawmen to fit their agendas barely have any involvement in the practices said "strawmen" participate in."valve" didn't ruin tf2, who ruined tf2 were the people conducting the updates where balance patches got heavier and heavier, looking at gun mettle since that's the first steps taken towards it, MYM was the equivalent to shooting yourself in an artery and surviving due to the people around you never letting you go.the people who conducted mym, primarily looking at jill and the few other people who steered the competitive beta group, were the ones who were humongous newfags are valve HQ and took cs:go as a basis going forward as to what to do with the game.sooner or later the game would've gone to shit, it's just that the people or started or made the game, were they to have their hands in the matter still, might've meant the game being better but now it's just the same fucking discussions that've been discussed better over a decade ago by people who just liked playing the game.if you haven't found your niche in tf2 then the magic simply dies naturally, there're only subhumans, mega autists, egotistical cunts who love the sound of their own voices and people who simply have developed stockholm syndrome from investing too much time into the game; I have jumping in tf2, if I didn't then I wouldn't care about this game anymore because I like to play solo and not with others.
>>719664437they'll never fix the base game, get real. you're like a child asking for world peace
The game is like 15 years old.How the fuck do you even begin to care how other people play it?Just play it the fucking way you like.
>>719664871that's the point, the way i liked to play was either removed or neutered
>>719664726>"VALVE WILL NEVER GET RID OF THE BOTS">the bots were banned>"VALVE WILL NEVER UNMUTE F2PS">valve unmuted F2Psyour argument is invalid, faggot
>>719664980go start another twitter trend then, change won't start on /v/ that's for sure
>>719664965No. It wasnt.
>>719665138it literally was lmao wtf kind of delusion you in rn
>>719664719Man, jumping looks really cool but it is impossible and I don't know how people can get good at it.The last map I tried beating was jump_academy2 or whatever its name is and I could only really beat the easy courses.Past that, only pogo medium is doable for me and then hard pogo I can do with the Air Strike but not with the normal launchers. Anything besides the pogo ones are just black magic to me.
>>719665361It took me over 5 years to get really good at rocket jumping while playing trolldier, it's sadly something that needs pure muscle memory and a lot of investment.
>>719642454Vaccinator is so broken it was the only unlock that saw 100% playtime in NR 6s and also the only unlock players wanted banned because it was so cancerous and meta warping. It's like medic has a buffed version of the wrangler he can stick on teammates. The only thing in the entire game that somewhat counters vacc is phlog because fire resist doesn't work correctly against crit flames but you're still playing a useless class that has to spam flares for a minute to do anything and phlog.ubers are easily kited or stuffed by explosives.
>>719665361learning to jump is paved with the mental resolve equivalent to that of iwbtg or stuff like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bTPT2kv6PXwthe people who're the best at jumping have been playing for well over 8 to 10 years and some are just built different who're prodigies.then there's stuff like https://youtu.be/Rah_YO6MV0U?t=241 where a new tech that's called texture edgebug got found that allows for insanely niche things on soldier.like >>719665457 said, it's pure muscle memory, absolute hell to play initially but once you're good enough at either (sticky/rocket) then it becomes fun and quite nice to return to once you've gotten past all of the head smashing required to learn everything.
>>719665269Nigga no it wasnt. Go fucking play on a server that has the game the way you like it, you absolute mouthbreather.
>>719665457>>719665826Funny you mention IWBTG because I play a shitton of fangames of it.I'm sure it's a mental thing, I always feel like I must be missing something because others can make shit look easy while I can't control past two rocket jumps. I'll have to keep trying.
>>719611126>The game receives no updates whatsoever—just some intern who gets paid to randomly select community maps and cosmetics>The community bitches and moans about the chosen cosmetics and maps due to the lack of quality control and how it's bloating the game>Instead of confronting Valve with torches and pitchforks, they choose to harass community map makers and cosmetics creators>They openly harass the people who are at least trying to keep the game alive with fresh new bloodCan somebody explain why the TF2 community is so... retarded? Honestly, that hidden engineer tranny flag really buck broke a lot of them to the point that it lives rent free in their heads
>>719666206learning jump movement is basically unlearning what you've learnt then relearning it again in a new tense until that tense becomes the formula for what you do until you get back to step 1, basically no matter how much you jump you're always going to be learning something new regardless of what end of the difficulty it's on.
why do valve drones blame anyone but valve developers>can you make this game worse?>yeah no problem *releases update*later>NOOOOO WHY DID THEY ASK FOR IT
>>719611126Compsissies ruined all the fun weapons. The sandman was so fucking strong back when it could stun people. Scout is a class for gays though, sniper and heavy are the best
zesty won
>>719666286Recently the community has been pushing back against casual mode specifically, especially after the summer update broke queues the weekend of its release
>>719667114>The "Not" Asuka porn addict wonSure buddy
>>719667128i feel like the mvm update is going to coincide with a (hopeful) improvement to the match making systemit broke last halloween because literally over 150 maps were able to be queued up for
>>719666286It's a death by a thousand cuts situation I find. Yes, Valve should be the final arbiters of standards BUT a lot of these contributors are trend chasers with an agenda and it should partially be on the community to police their own content as well.It's one thing if these were like game banana mods, it's another when people are putting this shit up for money.
>>719667950Anon, it's impossible to have an organized community where everyone agrees on one ideology. There's a reason why there are six or more religions out there, each with followers who clash with those of other faiths. I'll say it again, like I have before: the TF2 community needs a single leadership, and that should be Valve.
>>719652746Reminder that the comp community actually likes turbine and think it's not only good, but the ideal CTF map.
>>719667128Faggot youtubers and their fans crying for people to be pulled out of their game =/= The CommunityThe only thing different this summer is Valve actually put a bad map into the gameAnd hilariously despite this being the nigh unanimous opinion if you talk with people in game about it, the former group of TF2 Youtuber watching retards can't actually name it because they've been trained like dogs to cry about an increasingly specific and retarded list of qualifiers for what counts as a real update (what they want is for Valve to make people actually like them which can't be put in a game patch)
>>719624730Competitive TF2 is a lot like competitive Smash now that I think about it. Primarily played by people who don't actually like the game.
>>719670560they must not get alot of snipers in comp
>>719636823>the soldier or heavy with a pocket medic is going to be countered by... uh... demoknight! And spy! and MELEE PYRO!!!!
>>719670560The version they play isn't the same as the one in the base game.
>>719672063It was when it was added you biscuithead
Left: trans folk on /v/Right: community on TF2 enjoying playing the game in a competitive format
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>>719672425Lets see in 2008 the only CTF maps in the game were 2fort, Well, and Turbine. Yeah I can see why they went with Turbine.
>>719659093We're talking about metas here though hence why telling a bunch of compfags to find the 12v12 unrestricted game meta probably results in the realisation that the vacc is powerful as fuck.
>>719661349>the worst update in the history of TF2>not MYMHeavy's problem is having a medic with him is too much of a fucking upgrade which makes him hell to balance. The only way he can be considered a weak class is if you insist on judging him without a medic.Robin Walker was spot on during the heavy update when he said heavy specifically needs buffs that don't stack with medic but then valve completely forgot that pearl of wisdom. Heavy is in the state he is in now because valve did not handle him well after the heavy update.
>>719672441>Left: trans folk on /v/>Right: ftfy
>>719613778it's ok bro. you can admit you're bad at titanfall
>>719672441 Bro this is the most smoothed-brain take I’ve seen all week. Nobody’s stopping people from playing comp, but acting like it somehow makes you a TF2 arch-elite while simultaneously libeling anyone who touches /v/ or god forbid has a pronoun is peak redditor energy. Let people play pub, let people play Highlander, let people go full degeneracy on Jump maps. If you wanna sweat in Open, be my guest, but holy hell stop larping like it’s a political divide.
>>719658102spy and pyro are MUCH better in unrestricted 12v12 than in any comp formatyou don't lose much by having 1-2 guys play them compared to 6s where they're absolute dogshit
>>719665839>resorted to telling him to modify the game to undo the changes you were trying to pretend weren't made to begin withYou've made his point. Also you damn well know making a server doesn't guarantee anyone fucking plays on it.
>>719673940You tell a bunch of compfags that they have no class restrictions and they will laugh because you think they're going to bother with pyro and spy when you just told them that they can have multiple medics and demomen.
>>719674245sounds like medic and demoman are overpoweredmaybe we should remove them
>>719671116Case in point
>>719613668>Sandman is obvious, Wrap Assassin could lead to Scouts running back and forth to their resupply so they can spam the bleed balls, and Boston Basher is only used to speed up charging ubers by providing a source of self damageMissing an entire person from combat is a pretty hefty disadvantage>Crit-a-cola and Back Scatter are also banned since the mini-crit damage makes Scout very oppressiveThe former is double-edged and the latter sucks if you aren't hitting a meatshot from behind, in which they're already gonna fuck you
Anyone hate competitive scenes in a lot of games always talk about "Theoretically" how busted/viable/unviable something is without running tests on it? DOTA comp scene for a while was stuck in this rut until a lot of comp players just did goofy things and got real results that they can analyze.
>>719675636NTA but I'm guessing the run back and forth is being done when defending last.>The former is double-edgedThere are definitely situations where the scout is advantaged there. Mainly situations where you're already low on health so it's not going to matter if the next his is going to be a mini-crit or not and you're simple using the classes evasiveness to keep going. In that situation being able to do minicrits yourself works wonders. Plus minicrits ignoring falloff means you're more able to do reliable damage at a distance which helps as a scout as well.
>>719615589>>719616672That's a really disingenuous response even as someone who has sworn of competitive and laughs at people who try to bring up competitive play in casual games that aren't tailored around it (and even then). There are some aspects of games that just completely go against competitive play and skill, so people decide to remove those aspects so skill can shine more rather than RNG. Competitive is gay and competitive players on casual games are even gayer, especially when they whine about how they should be given a bigger voice over casual players (see BF6 movement niggers) and there's plenty of more things to shit on comp niggers for, but banning unbalanced rng elements is natural in a competitive enviroment.
>>719627254>>719631949keep coping you faggots have spent years insisting that the sandman isnt a crutch weapon and the moment the stuns are gone and you have to learn how to play scout properly you people act like valve took your child from you. do i have to explain to you why giving a mid-long range stun to a class that specializes in mitigating risk at close range and hit and run tactics is retarded?
>>719644839You're two-shotting someone with two different weapons at a long distance, with the caveat being that they're projectiles that move significantly slower than hitscan.
>>719676219>Meanwhile scout is still one of the most powerful classes in the game and will two shot you and your pocket while dodging all your rockets.Let's be real most people who used the sandman in casual were people memeing with the guilotine or trolling snipers.
>>719676219>remove the crutch stunOkay>also remove the cleaver combo, and since the sandman's slow effect isn't good on its own, the weapon is uselessValve took my child from me
>>719672613>Solarlightyep.
>>719676219>AIIIIEEEEEE IT'S A CRUTCH PEOPLE BEAT ME WITH ITHave you considered other people DIDN'T instantly lose to this "free win" weapon?
>>719676857i never have to consider this weapon again thanks to valve. im sorry for your loss bro i really am maybe you should pay b4nny to teach you how to play the scout class on metafy or something
>>719677435>i never have to consider this weapon again thanks to valveAnd yet you're here crying about it 7 years after it was nerfed to fuck
>>719672441kill yourself comptranny
>the best maps are just "alright">most all cosmetics just aren't very goodI'm not too impressed with this update
>>719665130people are already getting sick of casual's shit system with the bloated map pool fucking up queueing, lopsided teams, and getting put into games that already ended
Was I too late? I was 11
>>719679702Its a pretty weak update. I only like citadel because it's good for spy
What TF2 map is like this?
>"competitive" TF2 players have developed the same victim complex as "competitive" Smash playersyou can't make this shit up
>>719682664>full of needless gimmicks that overwhelm you, with no real substanceEmbargoAquarius
>>719682776The irony of your comment is hilarious.
>>719613668>It's mainly his melees getting banned as some of them promote degenerate gameplay>using the tools at hand as they're meant to be used is considered degenerateYou forced comp into a game where 32 players can dogpile each other. Degenerate my ass. TF2 comp players are worse than Smash because at least Nintendo actively ignores their fanbase and makes it clear to fuck off with that comp shit since that was never intended purpose of the game.
>>719676219>giving a fuck what weapons people use in a game intended to be played purely for shits and gigglesDude, get the dicks out of your mouth.
>>719617784I don't think Valve actually gives a fuck about the 50 people who pretend that TF2 is an esport.
>>719680412Considering people BUY old accounts, no.
>>719683898I mean they don't, now, as much as it infuriates TF2 Youtubers and compfags who can't even enjoy that they got a bunch of shit nerfed from '14-'17, they just view it as the missed opportunity that was stolen from them which is why they've only gotten more bitter and angry.
>>719649664How many other FPS do you play that still get updates after 18 years, you dork?
>>719683245none of the competitive players are on 32 v 32 server lobbies, they hold their own events
>>719680412>2013You got a good few years of quickplay, could be worse
>All Head collecting weapons (Eyelander, Air Strike, Bazaar Bargain, and Vita-Saw) all get better effects from collecting heads, but in exchange start losing heads when they don't get heads in a certain amount of time or after touching resupply>For the Vita-Saw's case, instead of keeping Uber on death, you instead shorten your Ubercharge rate by 10%>The Quick-fix applies 30% more healing to all of Medic's weapons (so just the Crossbow and Amput) and himself (regen and health packs)>The Vaccinator can no longer cap objectives, no longer builds Uber while using Uber, Uber rate is only +20%, and resistance bubbles are now only 50% and last only 2 seconds>Each class's "precision weapon" (in case of Sniper the Machina) now bypasses damage resistance like the enforcer and ignores the Short Circuit ball>Buff Banner now passively ignores damage fall off>You can make any weapon fire from the center like the Original in your settings and it'll fire from the center like the Original for projectile weapons>All melee weapons ignore teammates>Almost all projectiles ignore teammates now (besides crossbow for obvious reasons)>While firing said crossbow, if you right click on a teammate before firing, you will make the next arrow ignore your other teammates and only hit the teammate you're intending to hit>Homewrecker no long removes sappers but instead gets a 50% damage resistance to sentry damage and ignores the Sentry's knock back while holding it>Jarate get the gas passer's cooldown treatment>The Gas Passer now causes enemies to explode when afflicted with afterburn, dealing 75 damage + splash to near by enemies>Dead Ringer's nerfs are reverted except for the no ammo pick up and now it only works once per life>The Pompson's projectile speed is doubles and now pierces enemies again>Bison's projectile is bigger and is about as fast as a Medic's run speed>Sandman replaces the slow mechanic for the ability to headshot
>>719686127Another in the long line of examples of why they should just roll back the nerfs and never listen to anyone ever suggesting balance changes ever.Man I wish TF2's scene was more like counterstrike.
I shall emit doomsday to this game's fandom in several weeks.screencap this
>>719686384Don't worry, Zesty plans to drop another casual mode truth nuke video
>>719686476He'll be apart of what I'm working on, and not in a positive light.
>>719686549How many viewers do you have on average?
>>719686476I'm sure everyone is gonna shit when Mr. 100k "subs" 0/24 players drops>Nobody dislikes me and nobody is playing tf2 (For Real This Time) and why Valve owes me shit for buying $2000 in warpaints
>>719686296>Man I wish TF2's scene was more like counterstrike.abandoned by valve?
>>719687835Yeah, like my only issue is Valve didn't put out linux tools for map makers and the custom map scene sucks.Zero other issues for loading up a CS:2 user server otherwise.
>>719686627>I've spent $50,000 on virtual dress up, but I'm going to STOP because they aren't updating the game. Take THAT, Valve! Now they HAVE to take notice
>>719636823>demoknight, spy, third degree pyrothey have to walk within melee range to kill a vaccinator medic, and a vaccinator medic is going to have at least 1 bodyguard at all times. these are not viable counters.>shotgun pyronot a counter to vacc. a vacc medic can resist heavies at medium range so a shotgun pyro isn't going to do much either.>snipernot a counter to vacc, and vacc is LITERALLY sniper's greatest counter in the game.
I think current tf2 is fine and every era had some dumb, annoying bullshit that could ruin the game
Random crits are good, actually.
>let's add a minigun that removes the downsides of stock>that's it>there's no tradeoff
>>719688919>YouTumors permanently fucking offDon't threaten me with a good time.
>>719611648You can just admit that you got your inventory wiped.
>>719638534The heavy needs a high powered weapon that lets him do his job but doesnt leave him as open to snipers. Shotgun is alright but most heavies dont use it because Banan and lunchbox items are really good.
>>719691950>The shotgun exists and fixes this problem but people are too stupid to use itTheir loss.
>>719690149I hate all the blatantly lazy weapons in tge game like this, the Family Business, Iron Bomber, and the current iteration of the Panic Attack.
>>719692143Current iteration of the Panic attack I'll give you but family business and iron bomber are "fixed".Even if you can do really shit with the kgb and family business it's fine.
>>719692115Shotgun will always be a decent secondary, but the heavy still needs a Single shot primary option. one that doesnt step any any other classes feet, It cant be explosive and it cant be hitscan
>>719692338>but the heavy still needs a Single shot primary option.Why exactly?
>>719692338heavy just needs 4th slot sandwich. All the extra items can be removed then and the game is fixed.
>>719692338No he doesn't. Play another class.
>>719692604You are foresaking the utility of the shotgun for the sandwich.You can't have both.That's the tradeoff.
>>719692778Heavy is a doodoo class that no one likes to play. You are forsaking fun by picking him. He deserves a pity sandwich.
>>719692973He's a fun class in casual. Compniggers on the other hand made him unfun in their hugbox format by banning GRU because they would cry and piss themselves if they saw a 5th class type at mid at the start of a match.
>>719695650>class has 450 hp and 500 dps with minimal aim requirement but atleast he is slow>essentially acts as a sentry gun with a brain and killing him is usually a good point for a team to push>retards think he should get to the point faster on respawn because yesThe "heavy is weak" ass face shit spouters should kill themselves.
Heavy's biggest problem isn't that he's weak, it's that he's boring as shit to play and both his primaries and secondaries have one, maybe two viable options with the rest being straight downgrades.
>>719696301Mowing down half the enemy team with a minigun in one go is fun.
>>719622379Dead Ringer nerf was 100% Valve idea.They did pay attention to weapon equip rate and up until JI update, it was whooping 90%.
>>719611126tf2 is a party game and I'm sick of sweaties not treating it that way
>>719617832People actually play Gmod? I thought it was just a tool to create videos.
>>719611126Valve was pivoting the game into matchmaking and focusing on comp to try to get a piece of the Overwatch pie and doubling down on their own CSGO pieThe people who originally made TF2 had nothing to do with MyM as they've been long gone, so the newer curators of TF2 had no fucking idea what the identity of the game was and permanently fucked it up by listening to the tiny comp community and chasing dollars with matchmaking. Comp players aren't wholly to blame because Valve is greedy as fuck, but they are to blame thinking that balancing around a mode that doesn't play like vanilla TF2 at all is a good idea.See the idiotic "Trickle Down Balance" video to get an idea of their backwards ass mindset.
>>719617784That already IS the case in comp circles. The 6v6 format is literally playing a whole different game than stock TF2.Valve doesn't build a new format because it's impossible to please both the casual and comp audience, but the big thing is Valve wanted parity with comp and casual.You can't sell your game (cosmetics) on two vastly different balance formats because that muddies the water. But nuTF2 devs don't really understand the identity of the game and simply tried to pull a CSGO in the most lazy way possible, by nerfing things for comp and making comp matchmaking too unrestricted, which neither side liked.
>>719630921In casual TF2, having more overpowered items than not makes everything more equal unironicallyBecause in the current state you have tons of "meme" weapons that you only pick to goof with that nobody actually takes seriously, many of which only like that due to comp whiningIf you play on a server like castaway with item reverts very few weapons in their best state are actually that oppressive when every class gets their best kits. The ONLY exception is Vacc, Wrangler, and Short Circuit because those 3 weapons directly make the game less fun for almost everyone involved and can basically turn off a big portion of the enemy team's damage output.
>>719697374>VaccFlamethrower reduces the resistance by a lot, you can straight up W+M1 just fine.>WranglerGot 3 major nerf by now. Just shoot at the sentry until it dies.>short circuitwith the exception of payload engineer, it sucks up metal supply as hard as OP sucks a cock.
>another compfag thread
>Partially revert the Ambassador nerf (remove the damage fall-off component, but keep the range restriction - maybe let it mini-crit on headshots outside that range)>Let the Dead Ringer pick up ammo for charge again>Let the Axtinguisher crit on burning targets again>Make Sniper have to have a full charge in order to get critical headshots, headshots under a full charge are scaling mini-crits based on charge level>Revert the GRU back to its Pyromania version (marked for death when active and 3 seconds after being put away)>Revert the Eviction Notice to its Gun Mettle version (speed boost when hitting players)
