If Miyazaki wants to make challenging games, why doesn't he just make his games more mechanically complex instead of falling back on low IQ tricks like delayed attack animations and wombo combos?
>>719614692There is an upper limit to how mechanically complex a game on controllers can be, especially in a 3D game with a free camera that demands that you spend all of your time babying it with 1/6th of the fingers you would use for normal inputs.If you want a mechanically complex game, go for an early 2000s PC game or something.
>>719617058>There is an upper limit to how mechanically complex a game on controllers can beAnd Souls games come nowhere close to realize this upper limit. The controller is not what's holding the design of Elden Ring back.
>>719614692I've never played nioh. What makes it more mechanically complex?
>>719614692Yeah, wild. You already made this thread yesterday and always deflected or ignored any post telling you to explain what you think mechanical complexity entails
>>719617432You are responding to a post with an image that features a more mechanically complex game.
>>719614692Fromsoft games are harder than nioh, both nioh games are more mechanically complex but their enemies are simple and easier to avoid. Its a soft middle ground between something complicated like dmc and something simple like dark souls, except it doesnt have the difficulty, lore and atmosphere of dark souls, and it doesnt have the complexity, skill expression and fun of dmc. IE in trying to be both it fails to truly exceed at either
Nioh is just as unga bunga.
>>719614692But the Nioh games are easier because they enable you to do more things with that increased complexity
>>719617573A wojack shitpost that ignores 99.999...% (rounds to 100%) of mechanics in three other games is not worth looking at what it claims of the last one. Use your words.
>>719617601>lore and atmosphere of dark soulsIt's not trying to>and it doesnt have the complexity, skill expression and fun of dmcOk you're just bad
There's just a lot more nuance to a proper Fromsoft boss than in any Team Ninja game. Trust me I've beaten NGB on master ninja difficulty and I figured the game inside and out but on Elden Ring there's just more to figure out once you scratch beneath the surface.
>>719617330anon didn't even look at picrel or hasn't played nioh. bloodborne does have some decent mechanics with trick weapon combos, but pales in comparison to nioh. something i wish was expanded upon.even with better combat in nioh, you have to put up with repeat bosses and reused stages.
>>719617381Stances, combos within and across stances, and ki pulsingBut you can beat the entire game without ever switching stances if you want to and be mediocre at ki pulsingThe ceiling for mechanical complexity is high but you can play Nioh like a soulslike if you wanted to but that's extremely boring desu
>>719617713Nope, I've played nioh 1 and 2 and have platinumed every dmc game except DmC, they are alright games but fromsoft games were harder for me and the dmc games were much more complex mechanically. Plus ive had nioh fans tell me I didnt play the game because I wasnt on ng+ 5 and because I used the axe and kusarigama
>>719617781Ill take simple mechanics with complex enemies over complex mechanics and simple enemies any day. But atmosphere and the world is where nioh really fell flat to me. In nioh 2 particularly that scene where your boy dies was pretty good but golden diablo ass borderlands loot pops out of him right after he dies and it genuinely made me laugh. The games have some good designs though I like the frog with the pipe and the cat girl with big titties
they still have to make the game easy enough so retards can believe they're playing a hard game
>>719617847Idk, beating those hard boss gauntlets odachi only was pretty challenging and fun.
>>719617761>There's just a lot more nuance to a proper Fromsoft boss than in any Team Ninja game99% of From bosses are just i-frame dodging attack animations until you memorize their punish windows. Then you L2 or R1 during those windows.>>719617993>Ill take simple mechanics with complex enemies over complex mechanics and simple enemiesThe more I interact with Fromdrones the more I think they're just brain rape victims.
Let me save anons from a back-and-forth between souls fans and nioh fans>souls fansI don't like Nioh-likes linear levels and it has little-to-no world building / lore>nioh fansSoulslike combat is not engaging and rolling is anti-funRepeat ad infinitum
>>719617993The enemies in Souls games aren't any more complex than in Nioh, but the major difference is that they will have absurdly long combos these days where you either have enough stamina to dodge or block the entire bit. Most don't have any unique mechanics to set them apart and those that do are largely considered gimmick bosses or enemies. The walking eyeball stalks in SotE being damaged by parrying them is novel, but then you just quickly either rush past them or use the stealth to avoid them entirely. Most of the Souls enemies biggest weakness is that you eventually learn you can speed right past most of them without too big of an issue. It's probably why the first couple souls games force you to fight them in small confined spaces to make you fight them.
>>719618092>i-frame dodging attack animations until you memorize their punish windows. Then you L2 or R1 during those windowsmain reason why i get bored with the newer souls game because of all the anime attacks bosses do. you can even't do full combos with most weapons during those windowsimagine adding weapons with unique shit but you barely use them because of how bosses work
>>719618092>99% of From bosses are just i-frame dodging attack animations until you memorize their punish windowsI did this same thing in nioh and it was much easier now what
>>719614692>using video games as a proxy for intelligencewithout an ounce of exaggeration, the smartest dudes i know, genuinely, only play mobile games, or hypercasual slop as /v/ would call itbloons td, gacha games, idler gamesi'm talking high IQ Ph.D students in applied sciences who not only perform well in their studies but also maintain healthy social lives, physical hygeine, and actively partake in professional pursuits that generate substantial revenue while also contributing to the progression of their fieldsthey're not just book smart nerds, but genuinely intelligent high-performing individuals who i can confidently consider the smartest people i knowimagine my shock when i spend time with them and see them unironically spending money on gacha pulls or grinding clash royale in their limited free timeyou can't use game complexity as a direct measure of intelligence, because the smarter somebody becomes, the more cautious they become of how they spent their limited daily mental focusi'm sure you can find somebody smart who enjoys complex games, but the odds of them being underperformers in their professional responsibilities as a result of them spending their cognitive energy on demanding and unproductive pursuits is highfrom what i've seen, the smart people tend to enjoy casual gaming for quick dopamine hits inbetween their free time>but what about their days off? vacation? holidays?they either study more, or go outside and build relationships or do networkingthey're always productive, it's amazing to seedon't let a complex game make you feel smartyou're probably wasting your potential by investing your energy into something so fruitless
Most people don't want complex combat, if its complex and forgiving they just keep spamming the same attacks over and over, if its complex and hard they just give up. Souls is popular because the combat is simple.
>>719614692Nioh is fun right up until NG+++++++++++++++++ and you realize you did all that repetitious bullshit doing the game 13 times over just to start a fucking Diablo gear grind but even worse.
>>719618761I think this is my problem with nioh, You can just play it like a braindead retard and its easy that way so why try and do a bunch of fancy bullshit, dmc incentivizes it
>>719614692talking as if nioh 2 wasn't about spreadsheet autism before killing the boss with as little effort as possible in the late game.
>>719617847So it's like every other game in OP's picture, you can clear it by spamming circle, got it. Was almost going to try it out but lost interest.
>>719614692> More mechanically complexDark souls but you also loosely command an entire company of NPCs? Scale up the threats to match?You need to manage the logistics of keeping your army fed and maintained.You need to stabilize regions so that local villages produce peasants for you to conscript into your army.At end game you can claim a fiefdom to generate more supplies which can be used to maintain a larger army.You can commission infrastructure and developments on your land, elevating it from a village to a town. to a city, to the metropolis at the heart of your kingdom....No, wait.Forget what I said.I just reinvented mount and blade.
