Was Raiden really hated on in 2001? I think he’s pretty cool
>>719615448Its easy to like him now but if you had been back then and been lied to like everybody was, you would've been very disappointed. Nobody orders a burger just to be served something else. MGS2 fans are coping, that's all.
>>719615448I didnt really care that much was just happy to play as a trans man for once I felt represented.
>>719615540You will never be a woman.
Yes, people were insanely pissed. Back in 2001 there wasn't like 5 other MGS games where you played as cool guy Snake, there was just MGS1. To make matters worse the Tanker prologue is basically exactly what fans wanted so Kojima knew, and trailers were deliberately misleading, even replacing Raiden with Snake in some footage.Time and hindsight has been kind to MGS2, but back then people didn't want to play as some blonde prettyboy over the cool main star from previous Metal Gears. It was basically what Yakumo and Ninja Gaiden 4 is currently going through, but 10 times worse because MGS2 was like the most hyped PS2 game ever and it was like a cold shower because nobody was prepared
>>719615448No one cared only ones that cared were the marketers who mad that shit up. It wasnt like today.politics have be Pushed so much, we had female chracters Lara Croft saumus arn blood rain, dead or alive. There were so many video games and we had strong female chracters, now everything is just in your face, and there are butt holes who get involved with things it's so annoying. If people were pised off why did the game sell so much. Back then no one cared. Also everyone played the game blacks asians whites. I hate how much politics has gone into video games its surreal. Games were seen a s a child play thing it was so much fun back then its shit now. Feminist frequency amd zoe Quinn is the worst thing to happen to games.
>>719615448Its so funny when devs like Kojima do this. They want to put in somebody even they know you'll hate, but then act like you're a bigot or hater because you disliked it.
>>719615503>but if you had been back then and been lied to like everybody was.>lied toYou're so fucking dramatic lmao
>>719616098The game sold a lot because of the good will and greatness of the first. People got fucked though because they expected it to be good. And then 3 came out and sold abysmally because people couldnt be fooled again
>>719615448Raiden is cool and yes he was hated, including a little bit by me because I wanted to play as snake.
>>719616165If a doctor replaces your medicine and you get hurt because of it, are you just going to call yourself dramatic "lmao"
>>719615503Modern mgs2 fans weren’t there for the context of pre ording metal gear solid 2 and only playing solid snake for 30 minutes
It was mostly just insecure closeted homos on /v/ were mad that they didn't get to play as Snake again
>>719615448he looks like a girl
>>719616215>get hurt because of itHaving to play as Raiden didn't hurt you.
>>719616215>If a doctor replaces your medicineYour analogy further proves how fucking dramatic you are beingPlaying as Snake is your medicine? Lmao
>>719615734As a FTM thanks, that is really inspiring
>>719616218Exactly. People dont like it when they are mislead, period. >>719616231Because snake was the american power fantasy and thats a lot of why people buy video games? To escape their day to day life and be more than what they are, you fucking retard.
I always love Risingfags trying to rewrite history...Yes, Raiden was hated.Yes, Rose was hated.Yes, we understood absolutely nothing about MGS2's ending or The Patriots.Yes, we loved MGS3 just because we controlled "Snake."Yes, MGS3 makes constant jokes against Raiden and people hating him because that was really how people felt about him.Please look at the back of the case of MGS2: Sons of Liberty.Notice how it only talks about Snake and only shows Snake?People felt betrayed that one of the first real gaming heroes of the voice acted era was suddenly replaced by a faggot fairyboy who is constantly getting yelled at by a girlfriend who he doesn't even know exists or not.
>>719616273It does though. Games, like anything are a medicine. Why on earth would somebody selling a game want to lie and sell you a different product than advertised? Its inherently hurtful at least mentally. You dont spend 60 bucks just to buy a dud do you? It didnt work as intended
>>719616218I was, I thought the switch to Raiden was kino.
>>719616171According to google Mgs 2 sold 7 millionMgs 3 sold 4 millionIs 4million really that bad
Its not that we didn't like him, its just we were bait and switched. Snake is one of the coolest characters of all time and I was expecting to be able to play as him with updated graphics from 1. 3 at least made up for it somewhat
>>719616372Yeah, its pretty fucking bad when the past 2 games both outsold that by double. It shows you the damage that 2 really did.
>>719616171>And then 3 came out and sold abysmally because people couldnt be fooled againAnd they did right because the game did fool everyone, they promised us Big Boss but instead we got a young Solid Snake.
>>719616338>Games, like anything are a medicine.If "anything" is a medicine then what the fuck is the point of the word medicine? You're a faggot. You were disappointed by an entertainment product. So was I, I wanted to play as Snake and even got teased with the awesome tanker segment. Neither of us were hurt.
>>719616372MGS2 was one of the system sellers for the PS2 during a period where it was flying off store shelves and there weren't too many games available yet. It was also highly anticipated because everyone loved MGS1 and Solid Snake...
>>719615448Solid Snake and Big Boss were trashed in favor of this character. Konami gave up on tard wrangling him and let him go after the latest mainline MGS game was made without Raiden. Can you blame them?
>>719616415Naked snake is the main playable character in 3. You know, the one that shows the backstory of who would later and why he would be known as big boss.
>>719616098Take your Clozapine
>>719616391This, it was the massive bait and switch that pissed people off.
>>719615448He was a femboy gaylord until mgrr
>>719616421People treat relationships as medicine, they treat food as medicine, they treat going for walks as medicine, etc, etc. These things bring them relief and they dont like being lied to. Just admit it, MGS2 wouldve been better if it was written by somebody actually competent and not deceptive.
>>719615448i remember everyone i knew was either neutral or liked him and only journalists and shit hated him
>>719616448Naked Snake who only happens to look, sounds and talk like Solid Snake? If I was better at analyzing writing and characters then I'd even say that he is written like Solid Snake as well.
>>719616415>>719616448Big Boss being the main character is supposed to be a shocking surprise at the very end of the game, hence why the timeline afterwards gets all serious in tone when it mentions the really bad events Big Boss caused that led to the Metal Gear series in the first place.When we all bought the game new, we thought there had to be some trick but most of us went the MGS2 route and thought the twist would be "this was Snake experiencing VR" but it was actually Big Boss' origin.Keep in mind, Big Boss used to be much older than he ended up being in MGS3. In MGS2, Big Boss is explicitly said to have been cloned in his 50s despite it happening not even a decade after Snake Eater (where he is in his early 30s or late 20s). NOBODY expected Naked Snake to end up being Big Boss.
>>719616372No 4million wasn't bad at all, sales figures have been insanely inflated over the years. 4million is still a top seller back in the days of the PS2, remember this was the days when it was incredibly difficult for a game to sell even 1million units never mind 4millon (average ps2 sales were around 300k-500k, yes it sold less than MGS2 but it was still a massive success.
>>719615448Yeah, the retard faggot masses couldn't handle anything different
>>719616569If you like him or not, you cant be out here selling a product that may or may not come out that works as advertised. Its retarded and always will be. The act of what they did is shady period. Just because something works out okay doesnt mean that it wasnt dangerous and stupid.
>>719616581>mgs1 beats you over the head with the fact that Solid Snake is most like Big Boss of his clone children>mgs3 Big Boss is like Solid SnakeHoly shit!
>>719615448You have to remember Raiden's inclusion was a massive bait and switch. Not a single piece of pre-release marketing or even most reviews mentioned his existence. The Japanese-dubbed early-release demo that came with ZoE1 was also only on the Tanker section.
>>719616296>As a FTMGo die in trenches.
>>719616372>Is 4million really that bad4 million isn't bad at all, but a 3 million drop-off is insane for a sequel. It really shows how a ton of fans felt burned by MGS2 and didn't show up for the sequel
>>719616298cope
>>719615874ryu is a homo la la pretty boyyakumo is a homo la la pretty boywhy would anyone be mad
>>719616607Its going to sell just because its an MGS. They were technologically well made and graphically good too. It doesnt mean that it wasnt a relative failure. It shouldve done double that if MGS1 and 2 could.
>>719616645That's not the message of MGS1 at all, if anything it tricks you into thinking Snake is the perfect clone of Big Boss when he's anything but. It's Kojima presenting the old dynamic of nature vs nurture.
No matter what Kojima says after the fact it's clear that the decisions to make a prettyboy the lead was mandated. The first game was a runaway hit so suddenly Konami was dealing with a huge potential media franchise.A lot of japanese games (and franchises) of the period were pushing prettyboy shit since obsessive female fans were a lucrative and dedicated market. The entire Final Fantasy franchise basically got coopted by this design reasoning and dolled up.Kojima is a faggy sperg so he didn't mind that much and did it as an epic subversion but it doesn't deflect the fact that it was done because of japanese marketing trends.
>>719616716What I said is true, and its what MGS2 defenders dont want to face.
>>719616746>if anything it tricks you into thinking Snake is the perfect clone of Big Boss when he's anything but.okay but in mgs3 big boss is revealed to be just like snake
>>719616742It still merited enough sales for MGS4 to be made a launch title for PS3.
>>719615448I don't like his faggy voice in the english dub
>>719616598Could be that, could also be laziness on Kojimas part. >>719616645>MGS2 comes out with the reveal that Solidus is the perfect clone of big boss, none of that gene difference that Solid and Liquid has.And feel free to correct me on this, but two comes after one but before three right?
>>719616686so much for the pacifist right
>>719616738>men wearing skin tight outfits is...le GAYchud moment
>>719616630>The act of what they did is shady periodIf you think the bait and switch of thinking you'd be Snake, only to play as Raiden for most of the game is "shady marketing", then you don't actually understand the story and narrative of MGS2 at all.
>>719616818And that's a problem
>>719616846>perfect cloneNot at all what I said, I said that Solid Snake and Big Boss were the most alike. Play 1 and 3 and disagree with me if you feel like being wrong.>>719616895Nah, I liked playing as Snake in 1, the tanker in 2, and not!Snake in 3.
>>719616876Fuck the story and narrative. The story and narrative were contrived around lying to the consumers and misleading them.
I got mgs2 on launch when I was 8 and played mgs1 so much I could play through the entire game after school before bed time. not playing snake was of course very disappointing but overall I still loved the gamejust having next-gen mgs gameplay was enough to make it kino for me
>>719616818Snake is still a clone of Big Boss and as such shares traits, characteristics and appearance, but it was thought from both he and Liquid that Snake was the perfect clone while Liquid was the inferior. But it was the opposite. However Snake was taught to believe through his upbringing that he was the superior clone while Liquid was made to believe he was the inferior. Nature vs Nurture.
>>719616936You're too low IQ to be having discussions about this game
>>719616936Yeah I was pissed at the time, and 3 lost a bunch of sales as a result of people being pissed. Doesn't change that in the end, 2 was a great game, and 3 was even better.
>>719616958So yeah, theres no other way to spin it. MGS2 was the unwelcome shite for the franchise and everybody is glad that what they did wasnt repeated.
So did Eva in MGS3 fuck Volgin?
>>719615448Yes. He was considered one of the worst characters in video games for a long time. Opinions on him only started to soften after MGS4 came out and people finally liked him by Revengeance. Halo 2 received a similar response when you were forced to play the Arbiter for half the campaign back in 2004.
>>719616995>make a game bad>b-but bro it is thematically in line with the narrative of how things are bad!!Massive cope
>>719615874Successor characters in general are usually hard to accept. Most series that try to have some passing of the torch or just introducing a new protagonist in general gets people divided.
>>719617067He probably raped and beat her, yes, but she was secretly using her position as his latest piece to get close to the Legacy.
>>719616864kek
>>719617067She was 100% being fucked in the ass by Volgin.This isn't even really a "did it happen".It's so fucking on the nose about it happening.He also beat her as they did it
>>719617101>make a game badMGS2 was a good game. The plot of MGS games serves precisely one purpose: to make you go, "Whoa, that's crazy," inbetween stints of stealth/action gameplay.
>>719617128Volgin truly was a sadistic bastard that deserved his fate.
>>719617197A lot of shit games make you go "whoa thats crazy" at how bad they areDoesnt make something good.
>>719615448I wonder how something like this would've been received in other franchises.
Metal Gear solid 1 is the only good game of the franchise And unfortunately it has aged very badly
>>719615448If you ever are wondering this, imagine if they remade MGS2 today. People would hate it
>>719617220Meanwhile, the original trilogy of MGS games are rightly and widely held to be some of the best games ever made. You may now continue seething about being a minority.
>>719616864Communism is more conservative than capitalism when it comes to male exclusive draft.
>>719617315I never knew a single person who had even touched these so called games for my entire life pretty much until i played them. And i was unimpressed with every single one. So you gotta by lying.
>>719617296I am praying to god that MGS1 and 2 get remakes similar to Delta.MGS1 PS1 plays like shit nowadays, and Twin Snakes is locked to GC
>>719616929>Not at all what I said, I said that Solid Snake and Big Boss were the most alike. Play 1 and 3 and disagree with me if you feel like being wrong.Reread what I wrote and stop waisting my time
>>719617258>very badlyThe only slightly awkward moment in the whole game is the first fight with Sniper Wolf. Other than that, it holds up very well. The graphics and sound mesh together so perfectly to create an atmospheric experience that no other MGS quite captured again, and the voice acting is literally the best in the entire series.To this day I am still impressed by how well MGS1 was voice acted in English... which is why Kojima was so fucking pissed and hated David Hayter lmao.>NOOOOO MY JAPANESE SNAKE IS THE TRUE SNAKE THIS GUY SOUNDS DUMB WHY IS EVERYONE ALWAYS DOING THIS WHITE GUY'S VOICE WHEN THEY DO A "SNAKE IMPRESSION"???? AAAAAAAAA
>>719617352MGS1 wouldnt be saved even if it was remade. Backtracking is like half the game
Raiden was so hated back then that Playstation Magazine created a whole running gag with Raiden where they constantly joked about how girly and gay he was, unironically a different time.
i thought he was cool, but i am kojima's target audience
>>719615448I liked MGS2 when it came out but Kojima playing everyone like a damn fiddle was funny as shit> every single trailer featured Solid Snake> iirc, Raiden only was shown fucking ONCE for like a second so people didn’t give a fuck about this side character> game came out> “WTF?? I PLAY AS THIS FAGGOT?”
>>719617412The general pacing and shit is perfectly fine.The problem is how archaic and simple MGS1 feels compared to 2 and 3.Twin Snakes makes this obvious. MGS with gameplay from 2. It's much better
>>719617472See even the people that like this game like other things about what it did, not actually the game itself. Which is just lying to yourself about liking the game. Because nobody can.
>>719617423PSM covers are an amazing time capsule
>>719617567I used to look forward to Saturdays so much because my mom would buy me a new playstation magazine when she did grocery shopping, all the cool artwork that would fuel the imagination, the sneak peak interviews from games you'd only heard about in rumors, the jokes, the cool screen shots, and of course the cheats at the back of the mags.
>>719617423It's this as well. It wasn't just that customers were promised Snake but got a different character, the character we got was an effeminate pretty boy. A character archetype that, for whatever reason is prevalent in Japanese culture, is NOT treated positively in Western culture. An effeminate pretty boy is the subject of jokes and ridicule. Griffith is another (weirdly visually similar) example: I have a few friends who are fans of Berserk but I can't take Griffith as a character seriously. This tiny twink is running around leading a mercenary band and not being raped on a daily basis? What the fuck? It's silly. But for some reason that's a popular archetype in Japanese stories.Kojima unfortunately did not do his research on this, so Raiden was met with immediate scorn and ridicule by basically everyone in the West. A truly disastrous oversight.
>>719617192>proctitis/prɒkˈtʌJtJs/nounMedicineinflammation of the rectum and anus.Yep she got ass raped.
>>719615448Its all a meme.I played MGS2 day one not knowing anything. Went trough the Plant section thinking eventually the game will switch characters. Turns out it never did. And I wasn't even mad.Snake was my mentor all along. And by endgame I took it as a passing the torch moment. Then the internet told me I should me disappointed for the switcharoo. Do t care still my favorite game in the series.
>>719618034Because you skipped the first part of the game
It was a "you had to be there" situation. Keep in mind nobody knew Raiden existed - you got the game, hype as fuck, played the Tanker level and basically played Snake just enough to want to play him more...And then you play as Raiden, who is pretty much the opposite of Snake (masculine veteran vs. feminine rookie). And you're thinking "Who is this guy... why does he look kinda gay and whiny? I bet this is just some weird short interlude, I'll do this here and then go back to Snake, right?" But it never snaps back and you finish the game and just feel a bit robbed since you now have no idea when, or if, you'll ever play as Snake again.Time has been kind to Raiden since MGS4 and especially Rising but the initial bait and switch left a sour taste in a lot of people's mouths. >>719617423Holy shit I haven't seen this image in like 20 years. But yeah Raiden being disliked was a big thing, even MGS3 acknowledged it with his lookalike Raikov being a weak faggot who constantly gets groped. >>719617649I wish I still had my copies, I left them when I moved out and my parents dumped everything when they moved.
>>719617526The gameplay was great, the characters were cool, and the cultural commentary stuff with the codec messages was well-executed. People largely got over being upset about Raiden pretty quickly, /v/ loved the game for most of its existence and it was frequently praised in TECHNOLOGY threads for all the little details that showed the devs put a lot of love into it. You're a projecting faggot that simply cannot accept how beloved the original trilogy is.
>>719617567Look at those thighs
>>719618167I just dont see how its possible. When i was growing up i never played them whatsoever. Barely knew they existed. Theyre not that special, anon. Theyre a few shitty movies that literally almost nobody remembered.
>>719617567James should have looked like this in the SH2 remake
I don't recall being especially mad at raiden showing up. The president scene was weird though, why did he grab his balls, that came out of nowhere to me. And when raiden gave up fighting the rays. that really pissed me off because i thought i was winning that fight.
>>719615448Most people who complained (even the ones in this thread) are westerners. The fact of the matter is that culturally western men are very insecure of their masculinity and can't be seen dead playing a woman or an effiminate man. Somehow playing a gruff man in a skintight bodysuit so tight you can see his asscheeks is perfectly fine though.
>>719619168Dudebro games are niche retard.
>>719619223Not back in the 2000s they weren't. Also CoD still sells shitloads, what the fuck are you talking about?
>>719615540I really want to know. Why do trannys really think they are a different gender? If it is a girl that likes guy things, why aren't they just a tomboy or lesbian, or a guy liking dick or girly things are just gays? Why make something different?
>>719615448We wanted to play Snake, not a snake eater.
>>719619168That's not true there so many games with female characters in the past. We had alice in wonder land game from McGee. Lara Croft samus aryn Voyager star trek. It only began to be talked about when those cunts started to talk about
>>719619379any fucking fighting game had females too.
Americans were very insecure about their sexuality back then. They saw a guy prettier than them, and they just lost it. I’m happy they’re all out of the closet now, I just wish they weren’t pretending to be women.
>>719615448Raiden forgave Rose the lying bitch he's a lame shitty simp. The fact that he forgives her a SECOND time during MGS4 simply made me hate him more. No amount of shallow wannabe ninja acrobatics in Metal Gear Rising makes me see Raiden as anything except a Lame Beta Male.I legit can't replay MGS2 because I can't stand Raiden forgiving hat cunt. This is worse than Big Boss simping for The Boss. At least The Boss dies but Rose very much survives.
>>719617127I wonder what's the ratio from successful to failed ones and which are the best examples of each
>>719619529I’m sorry someone hurt you.
>>719619168You misunderstand completely by trying to make this a East vs West thing. Kojima is Japanese, but he's a Westaboo, basically a Japanese version of an Otaku for the West.His entire inspiration for Snake was Escape from L.A. and New York with the character of Snake Pliskin played by Kurt Russell. These characters are gruff, because to be a soldier you have to learn to be in control of your emotions, it's not about the absence of emotion but control of emotion which exeplifies Snake, he is in control. Of his emotions and his body.Which is in stark contrast to original Raiden in MGS2 who did come across as effeminate and whiny and it wasn't only because of his appearance but his actions, he did not come across as a soldier, there was no western influence for his character it was a purely modern Japanese design which was very contrasted to the Western inspired design of Snake, Kojima himself said he wanted the perspective of the player to see Snake from a fresh guy which is what gave him the idea of Raiden.It's not bad or good, it's simply different and the complaint was the bait and switch.Now, Raiden did grow into that soldier in MGS4 and became very comically a superhero in MGS revengeance but in MGS2 he was still very much a whiny bitch, people wanted to play the soldier not a teen bitch.
>>719615874 >>719616391 >>719616437 >>719616869 >>719617423 >>719617567 >>719618151 >>719619307 >>719619314I miss the old days it was so fun when mgs 2 came out personally didnt care it was a mgs games I got to play it. It wasnt like today we would play games and enjoy it. We didnt care about the gender or the chracters sexuality. At the time mgs was out there was another game fear effect it was a stelth game. The main chracter was a women and she was gay. Everyone loved it. Also it was so exciting technology was improving we had ness then snes then ps1 then ps2 which was a big jump, then internet came. The jump in technology was so huge and fun. Kids these days wont understand or feel the same thing. We havent had any big jump in technology wise that we would notice that we had back then. You will probably need some kind of vr or holodeck like technological creation to feel the same type of advancements we saw.
>>719619379>American McGee's AliceExtremely niche.>Tomb RaiderHad first-mover advantage in the 3D action-adventure space and an audience that was 40% female. It's an outlier. >MetroidNiche, Metroid games always sell poorly. >Star Trek VoyagerPanned and not even vidya. >>719619434Yeah because fighting games have always had diverse casts of characters, it wasn't only female fighters but minorities too. This doesn't prove anything.
>>719619680I agree with you and the thing that made me eyeroll the most was seeing some faggot on here complaining about the remake of MGS3 saying 'the boss is woke' and he wasn't saying it as a joke, he truly meant it. For fuck sake.
>>719615448Use to know a black guy he hated androgynous or men who looked a bit feminine. Also he hated gay people. Anyone else notice that with black guys why do blacks hate gays?
>>719619718Black people only care for toughness, and also many of them are gay but gay is a sign of being weak.
>>719619680Also want to add genes had manuals back then it was so fun to read, mgs 2 manual was a comic book I later learned the m16 manual was the same with a comic book like story. I felt like it was an homage to that.Anyone else remember game manuals?
>>719615448raiden was once considered the nortubel of the metal gear franchise even by kojima himself
>>719619307>Also CoD still sells shitloads
>>719615448I liked him, but I wanted to play as Snake.
>>719619768Based
>>719615448It went something like this>WTF? Were not playing as Snake anymore?>MEh this is cool I guess...but wtf this game would be so much better as SNAKEthen the whole playing naked twink raiden at the end in Arsenal gear.....Oh man.
>>719617331What do you mean, the USSR famously had woman soldiers
>>719619768THIS, this is why Snake is a man and embodies the traits of a masculinity, of respect, of emotional control. He is a soldier. Raiden is the unstable Simp.
MGS2 came as a shock to many because this was before the west knew about la creatividad. Very few knew who Hideo Kojima even was, there was no real concept of a "Kojima Game" like how it is now. MGS1 was just a very popular military action game that you could impress your boomer dad with because "It's like a movie!". MGS1 is the inspiration for Splinter Cell, Uncharted, The Last of Us etc and in the top 10 for best selling PS1 games ever. A bonafide mainstream hitMGS2 was probably the most hyped PS2 release, the trailers and cutting edge tech was incredible, it was only when the game dropped that people truly realized "wow this Kojima guy is fucking crazy." MGS1 had some wacky stuff like Psycho Mantis, but it wasn't really anything that put off normalfags. With MGS2 a lot of people were just "wtf is this"
>>719615448It's the wind waker problem. It was a pretty drastic change from the norm and people shit on it for that alone before years later people are able to look at it from a new perspective without any preconceptions of what the game should be. Probably because they grew up with it and they also have knowledge of what follows which someone at the time of release does not.
>>719620243Now compare the USSR to now.
>>719615448I never had the almost homosexual attachment a lot of people seem to have had for Snake so it never bothered me.
>>719620028I remember the argument some trans men were signing up cos they could get sex change operation on the us military's money. But I also heard of stories about women getting boob implants using military funds some captain or something did it. Yet the VA is very tight in helping actual vets who fought in wars. I feel like it's a bit unfair
>>719620382No, niggerPeople now look at it as the origin story of the cool guy that uses a katana with his feetOn release after MGS1 it was just "what the fuck is this dogshit"
>>719615448He certainly was by some. My personal feelings towards him were something more along the lines of>I never asked for this>The game is still good so whatever I guess
>>719619658>people wanted to play the soldier not a teen bitch.You mean people wanted a gruff, "badass", audience surrogate and they didn't get that. People didn't like Raiden because they wanted another game of a macho player self insert yelling one liners while blowing things up. The PC themselves actually having a life and a personality, a romance that was formed outside of the game, being misogynistic, belligerent, and visibly distressed at hectic moments didn't sit right with the same kind of players who couldn't relate to any of that.
>>719621125>The game is still good so whatever I guessThis is definitely another part of it, a lot of people hated Raiden, but the game was so insanely impressive that most were willing to forgive it. And a lot of the haters were calmed once MGS3 came out.
>>719620382I don't buy this. Do people see bait and switch like this and immediately feel personally targeted like it was done out of malice to make them gay or something, instead of being intrigued by a possible reason the story went with another character? Don't give me "it was a different time" like people couldn't understand basic fucking storytelling.
MGS2bros, they're laughing at us
>>719621236I wrote why people wanted to play as Snake, stop with the buzzwords it demeans not only you but conversation into a political argument.
Repressed homosexuality
>>719616869agreed, nothing gay about appreciating a bro's ass
>>719621462Or maybe feminine characters arent fun in a strong soldier type game. Dumbass
>>719621564>a strong soldier type gameYou mean like Gears of War? I thought we're talking about MGS.
>>719617490>archaic and simple MGS1 feels I grew up playing that game and to this day it feels great, so the solution is to not be a whiny, spoiled zoom zoom and learn to appreciate older gameslet me guess, you can't play the OG RE games either cause muh hecking outdated tank controls >MGS with gameplay from 2. It's much betterMGS2 mechanics arguably break the entire game and make it piss poor easy, if you want MGS2/V controls you have to remake and re balance the entire game around themsame issue applies to MGS Delta, for the most part the game has become ridiculously easy, even easier than MGS3 Subsistence cam
>>719621801Both are like that. If you threw a woman looking twink into Gears of war the outrage would be insane the same way.
>>719615448he wasnt snake despite the demo being snake. also part of the hate was just most of the game being a boring as fuck oil rig
>>719616218So Sony pulled a Kojima with tlou2 lol
>>719621436What buzzwords? The fact of the matter is that gamers especially in this era didn't want depth or interesting characters, they just wanted hypermasculine action heroes doing macho things. The 2000s era of video games was like the 80s era of cinema when Arnold Schwarzenegger was in every movie playing the exact same character every time. This was the same era where it was mainstream to criticize twink PCs in JRPGs so much so that they were altered for western releases (i.e. NieR). You can even see some of this attitude still lingering today. All of the male characters from FFXVI are much less boyish than the ones from earlier FFs, especially the protagonist. Clair Obscur is a much more marketable game to western audiences than all of its inspirations because it has a dude with a beard.
I was 11 when I first played MGS2, and I played the demo first and was beyond hyped for the full game. When I got to Raiden I was a bit perplexed and kept hoping that Snake would eventually be playable again. But MGS2 does Solid Snake such a huge favor, he reaches like icon status in that game by having actually grown since the first and now being a role model for Raiden and the player. I was still gushing over how cool he was in 2 and not being able to play him didn't make me like the game any less. They did a lot of small things to make him cooler too, like even the way he holds his guns is so much cooler than Raiden does, I remember when I first got Substance and getting to run around with Snake and the M4, loving his tacticool ass stance
Americans back then were super sensitive about everything that might be deemed as gay. Two guys going for a movie. gay. They hanging out. gay. Expressing their emotions to one another. gay. Sucking each other's dick. Gay.They though they were being macho, while obsessing over macho men. What a joke. They're all out of the closet now and the world is unironically better for it.
>>719622034Because its gross. I doubt if women even like men
>>719622000Do you remember when they were promoting was it MGS3 or MGS4? I don't remember which and I know I could look it up right now but that would mean this post would be meaningless and the reason for conversation would end, but anyway that aside, do you remember after MGS2 Kojima was teasing his next Metal Gear game and teased Snake and Raidan both competing to sit in the director chair?
>>719622090Bro. Yakuza fanbase is just women and repressed homos.
>>719622212Yakuza doesnt have a fanbase
>>719622167>teasing his next Metal Gear game and teased Snake and Raidan both competing to sit in the director chair?Yes, that was the first MGS4 teaser they did inside the MGS3 engine. Like a secret theater style tease for mgs4. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kvXpsvJ9ti0
>>719615448Are these games actually good?Are the 30 hour schizo lore cutscene memes true?
>>719615448>MGS1>Everyone loved Snake>MGS2 demo comes out>Oh fuck yes Snake is back>Get the main game>Complete the demo part again>Now we're a ladyboy cracking shit attempts at jokes>Oh, er, maybe this faggot will die and we play Snake soon?>The whole game is being RaidenHonestly, I like Raiden now, but back then I remember being disappointed, and quite a few people were too.
>>719616121You're talking as if Kojima didn't embrace the Raiden mockery. Just look at the MGS3 secret theater.
>>719621963>Henry from KC:DHe doesn't really fit into that picture. He's a fairly schlubby and kind of boyish looking guy.
>>719616218Modern MGS2 fans know raiden from fucking MGR and probably have never played an actual MG game
Did you guys know that Metal Gear Ray was teased in Integral / VR Missions? When you completed all VR Missions you got a Shinkawa tease
It sucks MGS3 sold so "badly", at least compared to MGS2. I feel MGS3 was the best in the series>Fake James Bond style song and opening>"twist" being you're a young Big Boss now>Get to see Ocelot when he was young and shit at his job>Cool WW2/Soviet villains through the Cobra unit>The camo system was neat, suddenly you could turn literally anywhere into a hiding spotMy only issue was Volgin being a nothing villain. He had no presence, he was just a generic strongman Soviet guy.
>>719615448He was hated a lotKojima is even on record saying "I had no idea people would hate Raiden this much"It almost killed MGS2 when it came out because it was kept a secret, as we'd only seen demos and promo footage of the Tanker chapter where you play as SnakePeople were not faggots back then, the thought of playing as a skinny guy with long hair and a slender body with the ass of a teenage girl pissed them off completelyEveryone also hated MGS2 for being a movie game, I remember all of the PS2 magazines were shitting on it constantly for a while tooWe paid for the big bump in video game power and tech from MGS1 to MGS2 with a shitty character, bizarre fucking story that's full of repeat beats from MGS1 and a ridiculous amount of cutscenes and codec calls breaking up the gameplayStill the best MGS game by miles, but man I wish Kojima invested his effort into making GAMES not shitty movies which just knock off "popular for the time but now obscure in the modern era" Western moviesMaybe then he wouldn't have been fired and the games wouldn't need constant fucking retcons every time a new one came out
>>719615448Of the three main characters, Snake, Raiden and Big Boss, Raiden is the best one. His earnest reactions to all the bullshit are incredible.
>>719615734>reading comprehension
>>719622367Ironic how people called him a faggot when they themselves were with the repressed homosexuality.
>>719618235Whatever helps you sleep at night, zoom zoom.
719622837I get you're having a bad day, but at least make some effort with the insults. This is just sad. you'll get your (you) when you do a better job.
>>719619685Holy history rewriting
>>719619685Nier is like the exact opposite of MGS2. Playing as Raiden works because the situation calls for a "Snake" style badass but you play as a green pretty boy in over his head, while Nier's story is tailor made for brother Nier that inverting the JRPG arc with Dad is endearing.
>>719622938Insults? I don’t have anything against homosexuals. I just think gay men were feeling really repressed back then and couldn’t comfortably express it. They saw Raiden, and had a Melty.
>>719620243Propaganda
>>719621528Retarded secondary shitted artist
>>719622034I like how you don't realize the massive irony in your post.
>>719621528Nigger fetish has got to be the most forced shit in existence
>>719615874>and trailers were deliberately misleading, even replacing Raiden with Snake in some footage.snake was in plant you just didnt play as him.
>>719622837>projecting this hard
>>719615448I always thought that his ingame model looked unfortunately dumb.Kojima didn't really mean to make Raiden a dweeb, more like a representation of color white, a blank slate. He's supposed to be bishonen, and pure like a kid, but not a total moron. His Japanese voice is much deeper than Quinton Flynn's.Every Shinkawa art makes him look better than in-game, and even those later high-res renders of Raiden in his MGS2 outfit do better job at conveying that he's supposed to be a prettyboy, not a joke.His shaming began in MGS3. People cite stuff like bird shit or that sentry pissing on him or him running naked, but those were just circumstances, nothing compared to the total buffoon he is made in 3.
Back when MGS2 first came out, I was indifferent to Raiden, but years later I replayed MGS2 and thought he was sexy. That little butt in that tight suit.
>>719621851>Both are like thatYou don't seriously believe that.
>>719623454>bishonenproblem is that shit only makes sense to Japs, even if the ingame model was conveying the prettyboy thing, it would still piss people off in the West, and it had nothing to do with how dumb he was
>>719622348Yes.Yes (the games are actually pretty short)
>>719616273>getting paid and switched didn't hurt youIt hurt my wallet because I wouldn't have bought the game if I had known I was going to play a whiny faggot who spends 20 hours crying with his gf on radio calls.
>>719623325They literally replaced Raiden with Snake in some gameplay footage in the trailers like Snake facing Fortune in elevator room, which wasnt a thing until Snake Tales in substance
>>719615448When I was a kid I played MGS3 then 2, so I was less pissed and more just confused, I also didn't know MGS was a prequel so I thought Naked Snake and Solid Snake were the same character
>>719623696Its not like hes the first one. Cloud and Squall were both pretty boys and no one cared. MG1 attracted normalfags, an some of these normalfags were unironic repressed fags.
>>719623696people were way into legolas that same year, the pretty boy archetype can work in the west IF the character is cool
>>719623958We're talking video games, not movies.
>>719615448PC emulation fag I learnt about him from watching friends play and new grounds etc I liked him. Being a dandy Chad myself
>>719623935>Cloud and SquallI know you probably don't realize this, but MGS games attract a different crowd than cartoony JRPGs
>>719623958>legolasWas there really not a single "pretty boy" actor around that time who could actually act?
>>719623958legolas is not by any means a feminine japanese bishonen
>>719624068I said normalfags you fucking idiot.
>>719624145and those "normalfags" were most likely NOT the target audience of cartoony JRPGs you illiterate homo
Getting pretty silly with the goalpost moving
>>719623454
>>719623290Blame India.
>>719624305>muh prettyboy concept artthe only way to salvage this is to cut his hair, give him some facial hair, give him a deeper voice and make him less of a whiny annoying faggot
>>719615448>NOOO I want to play as Solid Snape what is this SHIT he's GAY MOM HELP ME
>>719615503/thread
>>719623958Legolas isn't a whiny pussy in the Lord of the Rings. Remember his one moment of emotional outburst? He profusely apologised to Aragon for it and knew he was wrong for doing so, that is a man's trait right there. We're not flawless as people, but he recognised his flaw and corrected it.
>>719617423Is it me or is that artstyle oddly familiar?Also simply make Raiden a girl. Ez pz problem solved.
>>719624706>Also simply ruin Raiden. Ez pz problem solved.
Seems to me that some men are still dealing with repressed homoaexuality.
>>719624706he does comics
>>719624305fucking perfect
>>719624909Ah, that's where I remember it from.Of course.
>>719617423>it was just garden variety boomer homophobiaNow it all makes sense
>>719624362Kill yourself. He's literally the most beautiful man ever created
>>719615448Picture this, if you will.>It is the 90's.>You hear about Metal Gear Solid from friends, or played the Pizzahut Demo Disc.>Its fucking fantastic, its nothing like the old Metal Gear you played on the NES.>You want more.Cut too.>Rumor is MGS2 is coming out.>Your mind races, its Snake taking down the Metal Gear and Gov.>You see a MGS2 demo disc came out and its bundled with ZoE.>ZoE is fantastic, and the demo disc for MGS2 is amazing.>It's fucking simply amazing at the time and it ends on a big cliff hanger, you cant wait to play as Snake.>Game comes out, OH MY GOD ITS FANTASTIC!>Tanker mission ends.>Big Shell section starts.>Who is this?>Where is Snake?>Why does everybody sound like a robot.>These bosses are fucking stupid.>You cant even fight the first boss "Fortune">The protag is annoying, boring, and borderline retarded.>First half of the game is spent back tracking.>Fatman fight is boring.>Rest of the game is more back tracking, stupid shit you have to do, bad story, bad music, bad setting, and suddenly the controls are getting worse.>You realize its just replaying MGS1.>Plot twist, its supposed to be like MGS1.>WOW ISNT THIS COOL!MGS2 nearly killed the franchise because Kojima thought he was being unique by making the same game a 4th time.>MG and MG2 are the same game basically, and MGS2 is the same as 1 basically.The only saving grace is they came out with MGS3, now with that said, MGS2 was the biggest bait and switch of our life times.>Kojima then does this again with MGS5.I will never trust this fucker ever again and I hope his studio slams its doors shut for being a talentless hack who can only rip off preexisting content from before the 60's.You do know Death Stranding is based on a old science fiction book from like the 1940's right?Stalker is just Terminator.All of his crap is just lifting material from everything else.
>>719624792>Simply ruin RaidenYes.
>>719625104Snatcher, not Stalker.I forgot Stalker was a good game made by a buncha slav magic on Apple 2 computers.
I don’t understand why people complained about Raiden being effeminate compared to Snake when Japanese games from around that time often had a running theme of you playing as effeminate twinks.
>>719624305Yeah, that's the one. It's actually a good rendition of the character, considering it was made for... like, the Vita version of HD Collection? He looks sufficiently pained here, too.
>>719625564because Snake wasn't an effeminate faggot in the first gameare you really this dense?
>>719625624too bad this rendition is most accurate>>719625067
>we could have had a game about Snake and Otacon jetting around tracking down Metal Gears>instead we got MGS3, okay>and twin snakes, oh no>and PO and PW, okay>and MGS4, oh nono>and MGR, uh>and MGSV, oh nonono>and MGS3 2, oh nononono>and MGS1 2, oh nonononono
>>719624217FF7 is the textbook normalfag game you dumb coon
>>719615448I liked him. He killed that gay vampire, destroyed a dozen Metal Gears on foot and defeated Solidus. Snake was the one who came off like a dumb pissbaby to me for finding Vamp's relationship with Fortune a little queer HATED Raiden in MGS4 where he was a jobber and an emo loser
>>719616331Hating fagboy Raiden and liking punished ninja Raiden aren't mutually exclusive either. Rising (and by extension MGS4) hardcore saved Raiden.
>>719627803you were the one who brought up "normalfags" in this discussion retard, all I was saying is that the aesthetic of JPRGs most likely does not appeal to the target audience of MGS games
>>719631620>punished ninja RaidenWho couldn't win a single serious fight by himself...
I played MGS2 first so I never understood the outrage.Snake was cool & all, but being a shy blond teenager I related to Raiden more.I also prefer the modern setting of 2 compared to the jungle of MGS3.
>>719621236>they wanted another game of a macho player self insert yelling one liners while blowing things up.Yeah, just like Snake in MGS1!
>>719623290blame the chinese
>>719632486I can understand it in the same way people had a similar reaction to Nero when DMC 4 came out.New protags, especially if combined with a bait and switch of bringing the old protag that everybody loved, can be hard sells.
>>719623454a couple of changes to his in-game render and he'd look great. I honestly think mainly it's the hair that makes him look off, the rendering of specifically the bangs. There are instances where it looks good like pic related, looking at this pic I'd say his character looks great. But then other shots he just looks goofy and like he's lacking something
>>719633435compare that shot to this, you can see how the hair kind of fucks up his whole thing, I guess also the jaw lacking any kind of shading also makes it lack definition in some shots. But Raiden definitely has moments in 2 where his model looks great.
>>719621963>Faceblindness: the picture
>>719633520another shot where he looks great and it's because the wonky hair is kind of obscured by the angled face. Jawline also looks great here
>>719633520His Neck is the thing that looks the most off in this. It's like the only exercise he does is picrel
>>719615448People wanted to play as Snake, not some young blonde dude who gets pissed on
>>719615448Yes, he was very unpopular back in the day. I even dropped the game after the tanker part.
>>719632486>I also prefer the modern setting of 2 compared to the jungle of MGS3.tanker and big shell were cool, but I was honestly a bit disappointed by how linear big shell wastons of different platforms with multiple ways to get there, but you're only really following the path that is just laid to youwhen I first saw the map I was expecting to get a bit lost and explore there
>>719633729you're right the neck is way too thick, basically any shot that obscures it makes him look much better
I won’t lie bros I’m kinda happy people are talking about metal gear again
It's been a long time since I played through MGS. Is the collection on PC the best way to play now? Any mods to make them better?
>>719622034I remember you used to be called a faggot for wearing jeans that fit.
>>719616331Of course the box only talks about Snake - that is the entire point of the game.I'm actually sad that another "pull wool over everyone's eyes" situation like MGS2 can't ever happen again because back then you only had what little information was available in magazines and official trailers. Early review copies were not a thing at the time, and there was no leak / datamine. And the TGS traliers were edited in a way to make it look like Snake is in the whole game. You hear voicelines from Raiden but you don't ever see him. Add to that the demo disc which was just the first part of the tanker and you have a perfect storm.I recall playing MGS2 on release day and being confused as fuck. It worked perfectly. It is the one singular achievement that I actually give Kojima credit for and it would be impossible to replicate these days.
I bought MGS2 for my friend who had never played an MGS game before as a joke and the absolute madman loved it.
>>719615503imagine wanting to play as snake so badly that you are tricked into hating the best MGS...
>>719634348Many players had an almost homosexual relationship with Snake.
he cute
>>719629847Raiden and Snake look so bad in fortnite, though Snake is by far the worst
This particular render of MGS2 Snake is so fucking cool
>>719634498I love snake as much as the next totally heterosexual man, however you can't deny MGS2 had such a cool atmosphere to it.
>>719615448Of course. There was like 3 jabs at Raiden in MGS3. Two secret theatre videos make fun of him and of course Ivan Raidenovich Raikov being Volgin's gay lover.
>>719615448Even with me minimally engaging with gaming communities online back then, yes people were pretty pissed. There was an MGS2 demo disc included with Zone of the Enders which was pretty much just the tanker section at the very beginning of the game. This led everyone to think you play as Snake again throughout MGS2. When people found out that 90% of the game is played as Raiden, they freaked out. People called him whiny and said the game sucked simply because you didn’t play as Snake. It still got excellent reviews, but yeah, a lot of people were upset.
>>719622470I remember shitheads online back then telling me I could unlock Meryl in the sneaking suit by getting first in all VR missions. Got baited because they posted """proof""" of her in it and I didn't know about Integral at the time.
>>719615448He was extremely hated on. But yes I think he is cool too and is more fun to play as than Snake. His movement speed is slightly faster.
>>719615503>Kojima pulls the rug out from under everyone in MGS2>does it again in MGS5What a madman.
>>719619680>It wasnt like today we would play games and enjoy it. We didnt care about the gender or the chracters sexuality.It was a simpler time. It was a better time.
>>719635838Remind me: why did the president grab Raiden's cock?
>>719635957He expected pussy
>>719635957Because funny.
>>719634498Snake's definitely gay. Why else would he get on your case for questioning Vamp's affair with that colored fellow?
Sneaking suits ranked PW/GZ > 1 > 4 > 2 (Raiden) > 2 (Snake) > V > 3 > PO
>>719635957You're saying you wouldn't?
>>719635957He looks somewhat androgynous. Also irl presidents literally grab people by the pussy. MGS2 once again predicts the future.
>>719635957It was a tongue in cheek gag like Snake's infinite ammo bandana and BB overhead pressing a Metal Gear
He was hated and made fun of for years until MGS4 and everybody thought he was cool.
>>719636113he was still hated by a subsection who didn't like his emo attitude and his being a loser. as in literally a loser of fights. goofballs liked him for being an epic edgy ninja cyborg who doesn't care about death, completely missing the point of his epilogue. Raiden's reception has always been human goldfish missing the point
Would you have liked a 3D remake of MG 1 & 2?I'm talking before Kojima left.
>>719636113Ironically, the game where you spend most of the runtime thinking that he's a cuck is the one that made him cool.
Unlike some faggots here, I played it during release. I hated raiden because I wanted to play as snake like in mgs1 at that time. But mgs2 substance had those snake tales and mgs 4 raiden happen, which made me like raiden more so. Even replaying mgs 2 I don't feel as butthurt, but when it was released, the hate was reasonable
>>719617786>blow sustained>burn>electrical burn>blow sustained>electrical burn x2>blow sustained x4>ass-raped>lower-back pain>electrical burnholy shit, Volgin
>>719636113Which is stupid because in MGS2 he beats multiple FOXHOUND-tier opponents while in MGS4 he jobs constantly while wearing high heels.
>>719636027PW > Snake 2 > Raiden 2 > 1 > 3 > PO > V > 4V sneaking suit ranked super low for me because someone pointed out the back looked like a veiny cock and balls and it utter ruined the cool factor for it
>>719622034your mom is gay
>>719636480It's kinda funny how MGS2 Raiden would beat MGS4 Raiden even though the latter is like a hundred times stronger
>>719615448Loved MGS2 overall, but yeah Raiden was a bit of a let down compared to SS from MGS1. Just compare the two: >Snake: is a veteran and fully confident. He's getting manipulated, but he makes a difference how he can like saving Meryl. He's full of charisma, hitting on all the girls and making jokes at the bosses. He has a cool mullet and likes dog sledding in the wilderness>Raiden: "rookie" and is bubbling passive retard. He gets manipulated, and he can't really do anything about it, even Emma dies. He's a loser that has his girlfriend troubles spilling out on the comms. He has long wavey hair and sounds like a nerd (really bad voice actor).The only person I knew that liked Raiden when it came out was my friend's fat older sister. She liked Final Fantasy and MMOs. Would realize later she's pretty much a dirty western fujo that probably got off to yaoi.
>>719636527>someone pointed out the back looked like a veiny cock and ballsIt probably wasn't me but same thing happened to me and I helped spread it. Completely ruins it because you can never unsee it.
>>719615448I think I primarily hate his HR Giger looking bodysuit.
>me as a kid restarting the game to play as cool snake instead of faggy lala homo raiden
>>719636830Pretty sure there was an option when you started a new game to only play the tanker section
>>719636301Sorry I misread your post but yeah, time has been kind to him lol.>>719636342>>719636480Yeah, ironic but Kojima somehow made this possible. Also I remember many people hating some of the bosses, mainly Fatman, because of his design... (somehow not a huge deal like Raiden though)Also a sidenote but I remember people making some deal of Olga's hairy armpits lol... God, I wish I could go back to those days....
>>719615448YesIt was like buying doom and you have to play as a scientist that whines and bitches while having confusing cutscene radio dialog with his gf. For the rest of the game after a good 30-40 minute romp with doomguy in the opening before the bait and switch. We were hoping you'd switch back to snake eventually. Kojima learned his lesson and made the next game snake centric game even made a trailer cutscene showing there'd be no Raiden in the main seat
>>719637242Fatman was a retarded because of the roller skates. It's just silly in a game about cutting edge military tech and experimental nanomachine super soliders you have a literal fat man in rollerblades. Fortune also was an awful character. Vamp was at least kind of a threatening bad guy since he keeps coming back after "dying" and kills Emma.
>>719636425MGS used to treat things like rape and violence against women in a mature way, never announcing it outright but heavily implying it.>Snake: "Torture?">Meryl: "and things worse than that..."Meryl was raped by the Genome soldiers as a form of interrogation but she refused to talk, and her surviving the ordeal depends on if Snake talks or not during his torturing.MGS3 has EVA being raped and viciously beaten by Volgin but it's only really states that he's a "sadist" and you only really see his desire to inflict pain and dominate. You only suspect it after seeing her being groped while electrocuted, and when you meet her in person with the bruises and burns on her back. Confirmed only if you go into text menu/easter egg though, she never once complains that she was raped because her job was to get Volgin to take her in as her mistress under the guise of Sokolov's lover, playing him like a fiddle to get the Legacy for the Chinese.Even MGS4's Beauty bosses have some implied rape in their backstories but again it is treated with care rather than advertising it blatantly.Then there's Ground Zeroes where we listen to wet meat slapping sound effects as a woman is raped and a vagina bomb...This is what happens when Kojima thinks he's a provocative film director....
I didn't have a memory card for a very long time and I would always fuck around with the enemies in the tanker mission and never actually tried to progress since it was fun enough. It took a couple years before I even found out you play as Raiden for the rest of the game since none of my friends were allowed to play anything above T
>>719637917>I didn't have a memory card for a very long timeSame, I played the Tanker section and the first island of GTA3 so many times back then because memory cards were never in stock.
>>719637917I would constantly replay the first half of Snake Eater. Not because I didn’t have a memory card but because I was too young and stupid to figure out you had to call to save
>>719638069Were you like 5 when you played the game?
>>719638181I was like 7 or 8
>>719615448Its to like him after MGS4 and Revengance but yeah, that bait'n'switch Kojima pulled after all the promotional material showing only Snake was pretty bullshit.
Remember that opening codec call from Campbell where he first refers to him by his code name Raiden, and he whines “I want my code name to be Snake!”And Campbell’s just like, “Haha no, you can’t be Snake” And that’s how the actual playable character was introduced. Started everyone off with the immediate impression of him being a tiresome whiny bitch. And throughout the game Snake appears as Pliskin basically dunking on Raiden without effort. Literally napping in a combat zone like he doesn’t even feel threatened. Can you blame us for being confused and disappointed?
Marriage Counseling codec calls got old.
>>719638640I remember this guy destroying what felt like one million RAYs on foot and defeating a perfect clone of Big Boss who had an exoskeleton and two magic swords
>>719637732Kojima made two "VN"/adventure games Snatcher and Policenauts. So you know he was playing eroge in the 80s/90s so he definitely has the Japanese porn brain mindset. It manifests in his games like all the rape and even things like Otacon fucking his step-mother while his step sister is drowning (also his step sister is also a brothercon). Seriously what the fuck was Kojima thinking with Otacon and Emma in MGS2?
>>719638745>Marriage Counseling codec calls got old.Funny part is that they were mainly inspired by Kojima's own relationship with his wife. He was basically trauma dumping, which Kojima does quite a lot
>>719638780he needs a sequel before or during the early parts of getting his new body
>>719638780I remember Rays feeling easy and cheap and disappointing when compared to Rex, and also that fight with the Rays being drawn out and repetitively boring being one of the worst fights int he game next to Fortune
>>719638745Mine is the codec about the Patriot rifle.>"Oh, right. Its magazine is shaped like an infinity symbol, therefore it can never run out of ammo."Snake that's not how guns work at all you stupid fuck.
>>719638780Those rays were made of cardboard and also a digital hallucination, and even then Snake looked cooler and plays your savior in that part.Solidus fight was pretty badass though, except all that really stuck with me was the THIRTY (30) MINUTE CODEC CALL
>>719638936That is funny though and does make sense
>>719638936Paramedic! It worked! I ate the glowing mushrooms and it recharged my batteries!>" holy shit, sigint, is Snake ok? you hearing this!?">"juss let him go, Paramedic... juss let him go...
Cock ass
>>719639067I thought Solidus looked the coolest out of all of them. Running behind bullets then jumping up and shoots it in the head killing it. Like some kind of John Beowulf shooting a crossbow into a dragon's eye. And I also forgot about his rape tentacles. The fact that Raiden killed this monster is ridiculous
>>719639279Cock ass?
>>719637732>Then there's Ground Zeroes where we listen to wet meat slapping sound effects as a woman is rapedwhat do i have to search up to get that audio
>>719621374> it was a different time" like people couldn't understand basic fucking storytellingYou’ll be happy to know that it really wasn’t “a different time” and that people will always have the same reactions to those types of twists. Danganronpa V3 for example did essentially the same twists in its first and final acts as MGS2, and fans at the time responded exactly the same.
>>719639325They didn't really capture it well in the HD releases due to having the framerate at a constant 60 even in cutscenes, but Solidus is moving faster than bullets when he speeds off. The framerate and framebuffer effects go nuts when he moves in the original PS2 version but they're all broken in the HD releases.As a result, he looks like he's just moving normally instead of FASTER THAN BULLETS.
>>719617197More like to make you go "wow this is boring" can I just go back to sneaking around.
>>719639349SnakeRooster crows at crack of dawn
>>719639405search for "ground zeroes cassette tapes" and you'll hear it eventually
>>719639542I always interpreted it as him pulling a Batman and just doing cool stuff. The whole running plus bullet dodging trope isn't exactly rare. There's no way I'm buying Solidus running at 343 m/s
>>719639325100% horseshit. Solidus deserves a rematch
>>719639621Snake fires an M4 full-auto at him, Solidus blocks the bullets by moving his arm to deflect them away one-by-one.Ocelot fires RAY's machine guns at him and he deflects every single bullet individually with two swords.He's legitimately moving faster than bullets and reacts faster than a bullet is fired. That's why Solidus is the "perfect clone."
>>719639641So Mr. Erection innuendo can shoehorn himself into the fight like he did in that comic book adaptation? No. Solidus' one true heir, Jack the Ripper, is the only one who gets to kill him
>>719616215LMAAOOOO
>>719639595chicos tape 1 (arrival in cuba)? i didnt hear any wet sounds just groaning. seems like anon was exaggerating just to make a point. disappointing
>>719639781He probably does what Vamp does. You just gotta watch the aim.
>>719615734Raiden is trans coded.
Brrring Brrring Oh' fuck. Its Rose, again.
>>719639869https://youtu.be/yYrnW2xB5bAit's not an exaggeration retard
>>719638936I thought it was the headband he got in the Meryl ending of MGS? I distinctly remember him being questioned by Raiden about his light gear and single rifle, and he taps his headband and says “infinite ammo”. And Raiden just looks at him like “???”
To me it was like Arthur from RDR2I was use to john/snake. At first i didnt like the new guy, but as you got to know the character
I always thought the game would've been way better relieved if players were forced to play the virtual missions first. I dont think enough people actually bothered with them.
>>719638780Exactly. Raiden acting weak is when he is acting the part. He has 1000's of hours of actual combat experience but he hides it and tries to emulate Snake because all of his superiors tell him to. Once he stops hiding and using his own style he is nearly unstoppable.
>>719615448ye people wanted snakeand in hindsight, mgs2 is the reason why they can't do sequels considering the sheer retardation of the world they built>but mgs4proves my point
>>719640093I was talking about MGS 3. Not 2 or 1.
>>719640241The original release of the game doesn't have any VR missions whatsoever. Not even as a bonus mode or training, it's simply not in the game.You also can't know your ranking after beating the game because it only gives you an online code to enter on konami.com in order to get your ranking.... and the sunglasses also aren't in the og game.Thank you for your attention!
>>719615448i need to fuck a raiden twink doggy while he calls me nigger
>>719640468Oh shit, yeah duh. My bad
You now remember the skating mini game
>>719640554>and the sunglasses also aren't in the og game.yes they are you just have to play a third playthrough i thinkt. never played substance until the hd collection
>>719615448Yes, I never played msg2 because of him and never will fuck yoy
>>719640732I'm talking about the original MGS2 Sons of Liberty release only on PS2.No, the sunglasses arent there even on third playthroughs. There's no VR mission mode or ranking screen either.All of these were added in later releases.
>>719615448Yeah it was shit, nobody wanted to play as raiden. They purposefully tricked people into thinking you would play as snake, the entire demo was all snake and only snake, raiden is never mentioned.
>>719615448Same. I grew up enjoying characters like Anakin Skywalker or Kenshin Himura, Raiden wasn’t different in that regard. I get why people in 2001 didn’t like him though. I do like to think that we could’ve gotten a much better MGS4 if Kojima wasn’t so burnt out where you could play as both characters with different playstyle. Maybe you could pick between the two for different approaches, or it’d be one singular game where you switch between the two for combat/stealth sections.
>>719640952looks like we are both correct, the sunglasses were in the original ps2 pal release, if not the ntsc one. here's someone corroborating on gamefaqs 17 years ago: https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/913941-metal-gear-solid-2-sons-of-liberty/41689653i meant that i never had substance on ps2, yet i played with sunglasses.
>>719640368It more or less feels like he got weaker as he got stronger. In MGS4 he was like a kitten trying to keep its head above the water while fighting Vamp. In MGR:R while fully borged he ate shit to a Brazilian with kendo practice. Even after finally beating him the game has to humiliate you by saying Sam was 90% organic and just kept up with you because you're that big of a bitch
>>719615448it was uberhated, read magazines. Archive and retromags had plenty of them.
>>719615448I hated him back then. unlike dante who was unhinged, edgy and cool demon hunter with memorable one-liners, raiden was a whiny rookie with bratty attitude and nagging girlfriend. we all expected to play as legendary solid snake so when it comes to raiden it's not just about his shitty beta male personality that annoyed players but the fact that snake only got an hour of play time on tanker.
>>719615448He was the first vidya gayme protagonist that made me go "damn i want to fuck him"
>>719642970I just want to add one more thing to my previous post, back then it wasn't that hard to avoid spoilers, there were no social networks, 4chink or youtube. your biggest source of spoilers were gamefaqs, big gaming sites and magazines, all easily avoidable. so imagine the disappointment when playing the game and getting cucked in the real time, when I first saw his ass on the screen I was in literal denial, I thought "no way I'll be playing as this faggot for the rest of the game", kojima would never do this to us, this guy will probably die in hour, he must be a comedic relief or something, snake will certainly save the day later, but it eventually became obvious raiden was the main character and there were moments I unironically wanted to throw things on my CRT TV.
>>719617127thats cause they're often pussies and only go halfway with it
>>719627156>MGS1 2Nope, MG 1 2
>>719634823I blame Smash popularizing their weird Solid/Big Boss chimera among secondaries.
Raiden was widely hated and only became cool in Rising, even in MGS4 he jobs like a bitch and only gets his moment near the end.
>>719644761That shit irks me like crazy. It’s such an autistic detail to say Solid Snake only had stubble at most and Big Boss is the beard guy but still.
>>719636480Also MGS2 Raiden downs multiple Metal Gear RAYs while cyborg Raiden gets captured by a couple of Gekkos.
>>719617127There was no reason to have a successor character for the very first sequel to the only 3d metal gear game. Nobody wanted that.
>>719615448It's funny to me that it's been 24 motherfucking years and some people still get butthurt over the bait-and-switch marketing campaign of all things
>>719644901>in MGS4 he jobs like a bitchRaiden in MGR lost to someone with barely any enhancements. In a completely one sided way at that. Hell even after beating Sam he was doubling over trying to catch his breath like he doesn't have autistic carbon nanotube lungs
>>719646093While being verbally emasculated too. And if that wasn't bad enough he's mostly shipped with Sam by fujos, and made into a submissive bottom bitch in 99% of their fanfiction and fanart. MGR is the biggest declaration of "this MC is a bitch" in the history of video games
>>719645535There was no reason to have a sequel to MGS1 at all. Solid Snake's story was wrapped up perfectly in that game. He could've made a completely different game honestly.Kojima made the right choice by taking the narrative in a different direction, but "fans" don't really pay attention to the things they obsess over, they just consume and ask for more of the same.
>>719616364yeah but you're a faggot so it doesn't matter what you thought of it
>>719648430Snake would admonish you for discriminating against his sexuality
>>719615448Personally I wasn't mad about it but it was a secret until the game came out and I remember tons of seething on GameFAQs forums.
>>719643807I went through the same, seven stages of grief
>>719615448everyone would've liked him better if he sounded like how he does in Japanese in English
>>719646916hot
ROUGH SEX WITH RAIDEN
>>719648601exactly. my feelings towards story at that time were also mixed. it all felt like some strange mix of science fiction and magical realism. there were tons of incredible, memorable moments like the backstory of peter stillman, emma's arc and the ending mixed with undead vampires that can run on water and fat guy on roller skates planting bombs. it was too much to handle for the 1st run. after 4 or 5 runs I got to appreciate the silly parts as well but the real reevaluation happened when science fiction parts became reality we still live today.
Why did Kojima give Raiden such thick thighs and a nice ass? What was his end game?
>>719646093That says more about Sam than Raiden though.
>>719650068
>>719650141Raiden's been underwhelming since he became a cyborg and Vamp dominated him
>>719650141Yeah, it says Raiden's arc was a failure because Sam became his god. Raiden's sendoff wasn't him going his own way like Snake said it was him going Sam's way. After using his sword pose and tagline then taking up the same swashbuckling vigilante profession
>>719650068For the "plot"
>>719615540based sister
>>719650141that might work if you didn't fucking play as Raiden
>>719652074>NOOOOO THE PROTAGONIST ISNT ALLOWED TO SHOW WEAKNESS
>>719615448He is the cutest.
>>719634087It was a scam. Nothing deeper than that.
>>719652782weakness is fine. to a point. but when Raiden gets emasculated and Sam has like 3 or 4 stacked last laughs at the end, honey baby I'm not gonna like that
>>719620243Thats conscription retard
>>719615448you don't have to be a fan of the series to see why he'd be fucking lame>game is called metal gear SOLID>you don't play as solid>instead you are forced to play emotional damage acrobatic feminine looking anime man who has all the abilities of Snake in all the ways imaginable except he is BETTER because he's flippy like a ninja
I dont get the hate either i mean Raiden plays exactly like snake like they both basically have the same abilities its not like the gameplay changed in any significant way if you were playing as snake everything would be the exact same, Raiden is literally just snake with a different skin.
>>7196505634 made the entire series underwhelming
>>719650068The bunda is where knockout power is stored, you can't possibly be the ultimate soldier with a sad ass. Just look at Snake too.
>>719640013I actually totally forgot listening to these, or I never did in the first place. This completely re-contextualizes this shit for me. Jesus Christ.
>>719650068Nigga that's the second most powerful muscle group next to the quads. Having an ass like a race horse is very important for cqc
i think people were disappointed because the game starts off as a very good, real sequel to MGS1 then it rugpulls you. even the music sounds closer to MGS1 stylistically during the tanker.
Noone gave a shit. I was there.
>>719623898reusing this footage when they explain the Solid Snake Simulation is kino though
>>719652927It's a shame you can't see how cool the relationship is between Sam and Raiden because you're a retard.
>>719644901>>719646093nothing after 2 is canon, simple as
>>719656162what's so cool about it? Sam humiliates Raiden, taunts him about killing people, refuses to explain himself, dies without even giving you the option to say fuck him and turn him to bloody ribbons, then gets five consecutive last laughs and character worship
>>719622470MGS2 itself was teased in the GBC game
>>719656421You have to be a woman. It's the very simple bond of 2 very strong dudes fighting each other with one egging the other on to see his full strength.
>>719656162>Sam slam dunks Raiden into a dumpster at the very start of the game and admonishes him for putting veneers over who he really is >Even though Raiden actively and readily kills people the entire time >Sam once again admonishes him for putting veneers over who he really is by using literal magic to beam Desperado grunts' subconscious thoughts into his comms >Sam finally lets Raiden borrow his bike and meet him out in the desert, says enough talk and let's dance >Sam gets killed, sword is ID locked, Raiden jerks him off for not going fullborg >Blade Wolf gives Sam's sword to Raiden, no longer ID locked, so he can finish Armstrong off >Sam wanted to act as a trial and now Raiden will do his bidding I don't see what's so awesome about this
>>719656932Are you a woman too?
>>719615448I like that he's a child soldier and a white African. Not sure what he was doing there but that's cool.
>>719656782you're calling that a "bond"? there was no "bonding" going on. maybe pair bonding with how much Raiden is Sam's bitch. Sam did nothing but emasculate and insult Raiden the entire time even during their final fight, and there was very little meaning in between their two fights
>>719656932What did Sam even want to do again?
>>719657126So you are a woman.
>>719657171Might makes right when you get rid of all his pretentiousness. If you beat someone in a sword fight it means your memes get carried and therefore you're right. Sam lost to Armstrong, tested Raiden to see if he could beat him and thus stand a chance against Armstrong. This is revealed posthumously and Raiden decides to drop HIS ENTIRE LIFE for SAM.
>>719657126>Killing someone means they humiliated you
>>719657287Sam didn't kill Raiden. he absolutely humiliated Raiden in their first fight and spent both fights calling Raiden a waste of space, a waste of cybernetics, a waste of life and a weak pretty boy
>>719657358>Calling someone "weak" is more emasculating than getting killed by that very person
I didn't like it, wanted to play as Snake and it was a bait-and-switch into a, to me, much much less appealing character.
>>719657254That's as dumb as I expect from MGR
>>719657424you're not even engaging me right now
>>719615448my higher brain likes him nowmy reptile brain still wants him dead, smashed up and crushed and exploded
Anyone got any R63 Raiden pics on hand?I need them for reasons I am legally allowed to disclose but not contractually obligated to do so.
>>719656932Why does Raiden give a shit about Sam aside from wanting to kill him, doesn't seem like he had much going on
>>719657358What xhe is trying to say is "If you kill someone that means that they humiliated you"
>>719657612Raiden didn't give a shit outside of fellating Sam>Woah he killed six million armed men with a sword no way!!!>N-Nani? He had hardly any cybernetic enhancements!Other than that it was a basic revenge story with Raiden telling Sam to his face >It's okay if you don't want to infodump your motivation, I just wanna kill your ass Raiden ultimately showed respect for the Murasama because he's a gigantic weeb from the onset of this game out of nowhere and I imagine this must have been some wish fulfillment indulgence on his part to some extent
>>719624305Dayum…
Women really just don't get it. The simple rivalry of 2 strong dudes.
>>719657740Well he was weeb in 4 as well. Olga really changed his life giving him that sword.
>>719658149Was he? All I remember Raiden in 4 doing is wanting to die.
>>719658149I only remember the game dwelling on his name, Raiden. Not giving him a weird thing with Japanese culture
>>719658212I remember him talking about ninjas a lot in that one
>>719658021Chuds will watch Brokeback Mountain and say it's about friendship
>>719656782calling someone else a woman while fujoing out about the most formulaic manga rival dynamic
>>719615448The whole point of MGS2's plot is playing as Raiden. Was it a jerk move? Maybe, but the fact that the plot revolves around it makes me think that Kojima's not a total hack after all
>>719658447I wouldn't even call it formulatic, it feels unfinished
>>719615448from what i remember, yes. because people were expecting snake but they were forced to play as raiden an hour in.raiden has most his issues revolve around girly things. he cartwheel jumps. his va sounds ridiculous. he feels emasculating to play as.
>>719625104>You do know Death Stranding is based on a old science fiction book from like the 1940's right?tell me more
>>719658628quinton flynn was just directed like shit. the japanese VA sounds good and he sounds cooler in the other games.
>>719658750yeah, and i didn't even hate him because i was a narutard. but it's a complaint a noticed.
raiden redeemed himself in 4 ten times over
>>719658891those fight scenes with Vamp were a little too even and fruity for me
>>719615448I played the first three for the first time last year and liked 2 the most. Liked how Raiden became his own person at the end
>>719623806yeah! games are for escapism not reliving your day to day life!
>>719621374People are retards.
>>719617423>we’re going to draw this character EXTRA fuckable that’ll show ‘em!!i need to see this artist’s private sketch collection
>>719656782Raiden leaving his family behind to live as a wandering ronin because that's how Sam started out didn't make any god damn sense. They may as well have eloped
>our culture will never again be the same as it was when people were hyped for the release of MGS2 in 2000/2001i'm glad i got to experience the golden age but i don't think the current feeling of emptiness will ever completely leave me
>>719617067She didn't get proctitis from a cracker jack box.
>>719659432>Timeinabottle.mp4
Raiden was such a shit character they had to make him into a shit gray fox to popularize him lmao
>>719659658MGR is aware of this as well. The Gray Fox skin says Frank would be on par with modern day cyborgs like the Winds of Destruction. The MGS4 Raiden skin says his body is outdated for modern warfare
>>719636113Except that Metal Gear Solid 4 is the game that had Raiden forgive Rose a SECOND time in mentally fucking him up."Jack your baby son is dead! Gonna marry this wrinkled fat useless old man to replace you tee hee!"I don't care if Rose was lying to protect her baby it was stupid bullshit. What can a STUPID FAT OLD MAN like Roy do? Remember how in MGS1 Roy was quickly apprehended by random off screen men? And he's older and more frail now during MGS4. So no way this old prune of a weak old man could do anything for Rose. And even then it's just an overall shitty thing to do to someone you love.If Raiden was written well the ending of MGS4 would be Raiden explaining to Rose that no matter what words come out of her mouth he has to automatically reject them on principle. Poor John though, Raiden's son has to be raised by a two faced lying bitch like Rose. But Raiden owes nothing to a bitch who has proven herself to be untrustworthy.
>>719659395his family was so irrelevant in mgr they might as well have just retconed them away
>>719660397Its amazing how Raiden gives Sunny a visit while we never see Raiden interact with his son. I get that Sunny is a magical Mary Sue who had the technology Raiden needed but you know Raiden visited Sunny also because he enjoys her company. Its uplifting. The fact Raiden never mentions his son not even a little while also showing more empathy for that random boy he rescues it really depicts Raiden as an absentee father.And since Raiden quit his job at the end he's officially a deadbeat to his family. Raiden's son will probably grow up to hate him.
>>719661168Raiden might have left them in debt too. Remember he's getting charged for prying open that huge gate at Solis
>>719661826That's another thing. If the writing is good, Raiden's family won't have a good opinion of Raiden. Ultimately Raiden has proven himself to be an unreliable husband and absentee father. Maybe Rose finds a beta wallet simp to pay her bills since Raiden is busy being a global wanderer ronin.
>>719662568ultimately she was better off with campbell
>>719615448Raiden was my favorite character in any video game for my entire childhood. I'm a troon now. I wish The President would grab my crotch and go "Youre... aaa... man?!"
>>719634560The cutest
>>719665664I need a mgs2 remake so people mod shit like this into the game
chapo trap house is doing a retrospective on metal gear lol
>>719615448I was mad as hellI wanted MGS2, not MGS faggot editionI was equally mad when I reached the end of MGSV btw
>>719615448raiden's greatest sins in mgs2 were looking fucking lame and sounding like a bitch. after snake's level on the barge i spent the entire rest of the game waiting to play as him again then it ended. if they wanted me to care about this character they should've pulled an RDR and introduced him after i already had my fun with snake
>Kojima originally wanted a Snake vs. Liquid fight on a split screen while you were fighting Soliduswould've been so cool
>>719667573It's already a mod for mgs2
>>719615448One of the first instances of the amerifat voice acting industry kneecapping a character by giving him a completely uncalled for faggy voice just because they aggressively alienate any man that can change a tire.
>>719615448I didn't mind him untl he slowly started to show signs of being a bitch when compared to Snake in the same game. Then I said fuck this guy once I realized it's little Snake gameplay. Once I his sword I was like this mechanic is pretty cool.
>>719668013Remember Chapter 3.....
>>719655202The cartwheel is better than the roll.
>>719616331Yep. The way this game is lauded now is identical to the trajectory Starship Troopers had: almost no one got it at the time but everyone swears that they did.
>>719615874>Back in 2001 there wasn't like 5 other MGS games where you played as cool guy SnakeMetal GearMetal Gear 2: Solid SnakeMetal Gear SolidMetal Gear Solid: VR MissionsMetal Gear Solid: Ghost Babel
>>719615448I agree but revengeance was my first metal gear so I don't have any attachment to snake. Lads who played as snake for 3 games would probably be pissed, I know I was when halo 5 rolled around.
>>719659395>Be Jack "Raiden" Sears >Have the most criticized oneitis in the entire Metal Gear series >Stay with Rose even after she was a Patriots spy >Stay with Rose even after lying about a miscarriage and infidelity >Welcome Rose back unconditionally and with a 5 year old son you don't even know >Have a reciprocal conversation with Jetstream Sam for approximately 1 and a half minutes, IF THAT, when Sam isn't monologuing retardedly or taunting >Not a single honest to goodness conversation, it was all catty nonsense, condescension and death threats >Leave oneitis wife, pubescent son and cut ties with Maverick to become an epic capeshit vigilante just like Sam-kun!!!! Bros is Brazilian dick really this good?
>>719635957he mistook raiden for olga
>>719617258I'm playing it right now and it held up very well indeed. Finished mgs3 couple days ago and that was total kino. Acquire taste.
>>719624362>cut his hairLike the guy from circle of the moon
>>719672283My headcanon is that he's Raikov's son and he's got the gay genes but doesn't understand them
>>719615448I don't know but Snake completely lost me when Raiden thought Vamp was weird for sleeping with Fortune's dad and Snake out of nowhere went >Huh? And if it was the mom, huh? Would that be weird you homophobe???? And left Raiden stuttering. I've hated Solid Snake ever since then and only grew to hate him more when I realized a "solid snake" is an erection
>>719615448Yeah. Kojima nearly killed MGS with the insanely retarded story and characters in MGS2. Tricking people into thinking that they would be playing as Snake was hilariously bad marketing. MGS2 fanatics have tried justifying this turd for decades but everybody knows that they just enjoy the taste of shit. You can see these idiots ITT being upset that people still hate their favorite game over 20 years later.
>>719671192Metal Gear 1 and 2 were not easily available in the west at that time.
>>719673965Snake didn't say that
>>719615448they only hated him because of kojima marketing, every trailer and I mean EVERY SINGLE ONE was about snakes next adventure, only for the real game to only be like 5% snake
>>719615448If he just had shorter hair or tied it up he would look so much better
>>719615448I didn't really hate Raiden even when I experienced the game real time back during release. More than anything I was just genuinely confused by the switcheroo until you find out about all the metashit going on late game. I did feel bad for the character getting clowned on so much, even by Kojima himself in MGS3, so seeing him be redeemed as time went on was the success story I didn't know I wanted.
>>719615448he was reddit before reddit
>>719615448>even 24 years later people are mad Kojimbo made them play pretty boy Raiden over SnakeBRAVO KOJIMA, I KNEEL
>>719659369It's a female artist iirc
>>719676425Adam Warren is NOT a wombman!
>>719617423>Raiden was so hated back then that Playstation Magazine created a whole running gag with Raiden where they constantly joked about how girly and gay he was, unironically a different time.whats the joke this is just making me horny
>>719659369He has an old Deviantart account you can look up
