Metzen’s original pitch for the expansions after Dragonflight before Blizzard made him split it into 3 and shoot lower content-wiseExpansion 1 (11.0-11.3)>Void invasion of Azeroth led by Xal’atath>Alliance allied races throughout the expansion: Earthen, Arathi, Ethereal, High Elf>Horde allied races throughout the expansion: Haranir, Ascended, Undermine Goblin, Amani Troll>Zones throughout the expansion: Tel Abim (instead of the Isle of Dorn), Ringing Depths, Undermine, K’aresh, Voidstorm, Twilight Realm, Ahn’kahet, Rootlands>DelvesExpansion 2 (12.0-12.3)>Titans attack Azeroth after the heart is corrupted by Xal’atath>Constellar race>Astrologian class (2 specs)>Artificer class (2 specs)>Zones throughout the expansion: Storm Peaks, Lordaeron, Grizzly Hills, Quel’thalas, Howling Fjord, Zul’Aman, Zul’Drak, Arathor, Avaloren>Player housing>Guild halls
I'm not reading all that
almost as real as that "xalatath revives the jailer" bullshit
>>719624024don't carei'm still playing turtle wow
>>719624024There is barely any budget going into this, it's just one expansion cut into three parts. I think they're focusing their efforts on classic+ instead.
>>719625534why would they focus on classic+ when it's just a mini game? most of the playerbase prefers retail
>>719625784Because they know the game has turned into a soulless corporate piece of shit that is bloated beyond repair, the players are crack addicts unable to quit and the majority of their income is from cash shop transactions.They view the classic servers as a way to redeem their souls for running the game into the ground.
>>719624024Every mention of high elfs in the leak is an indication of fake. Blood elfs are high elfs, you either let them leave the horde or never mention again.
>>719626548>Blood elfs are high elfsNo, they're not. Blood and High elves have hated each other for years and consider themselves different peoples. In WotLK the Sunreavers and Silver Covenant in Dalaran couldn't stand each other, in MoP they start killing each other on the slightest excuse.
>>719625534Pretty much everything in the last patch was re-used assets and they cut pet battles, races, and fishing.
>>719627150>everything in the last patch was re-used assetsK'aresh environment is new assets. The Broker-themed eco-domes and Ethereal architecture is all new. The Ethereals got new models with new effects. The wildlife is a mix of old with new skins and a handful of genuinely new models.It's still a lazy, half assed shitshow to end an expansion on but it's not THAT low effort.
>>719625094tick tock turtie
>>719624024sybau boomer
Nintendo should sue PocketPair for plagiarism.
>>719624024I thought we get redeemed undead?
>>719624024>leak of an expansion that already releasedwell it cant be proven wrong so I guess its real
>>719624024WoW is a digital insane asylum
>>719624024>constellar raceman who asks for shit like this? The literal sole cool thing i'm reading here are>high elf >undermine goblin>amani troll>arathi humanaltho I've no idea what an arathi human would even be. Skinny ones I guess?
>>719626110have you ever had an original thought or do you always just repeat what streamers tell you?Theres literally nothing classic has going for it over retail
>>719624024>Zones throughout the expansion: Storm Peaks, Lordaeron, Grizzly Hills, Quel’thalas, Howling Fjord, Zul’Aman, Zul’Drak, Arathor, Avaloren
>>719624024>Constellar race>Astrologian class (2 specs)>Artificer class (2 specs)
>>719627837>arathi humanHuman or Kul'tiran with elf ears. Which they added a few patches ago.
>>719628007That's an incredibly lame way to implement that, I was thinking shit like those deadmine rogues
>>719627868Last Titan is already confirmed to take place in an updated Northrend
>>719627837>another human>another elf>another troll>cool things
>>719624176All according to his master keikaku
>>719628078In game Arathi already are just humans and Kul'tirans with elf ears though?
>>719627640You can't redeem, they are trying to appeal to the indians
He couldn't have had plans for Expansion 1 because they were already mostly done with TWW. All he was able to do at that point was put K'aresh in early and delay Haranir to Part 2.Apply yourself.
>>719627854>have you ever had an original thought or do you always just repeat what streamers tell you?How many times have you copy-pasted this sentence to deal with opinions you don't like? I see it everywhere, try to be more original please.>Theres literally nothing classic has going for it over retailSure there is drone, classic doesn't have the baggage of decades worth of failed expansions. Vanilla is a blank slate and they can take it into any direction they want. Imagine a version of WoW where everything wasn't turned into liquid shit.
>>719628517>classic doesn't have the baggage of decades worth of failed expansions. there is no failed expansion and nothing from old expansions is in their way>Imagine a version of WoW where everything wasn't turned into liquid shit.Everything in vanilla IS liquid shit you retarded shitterIt took them years to make the game decent
>>719628517WoW was always liquid shit
>>719628139>Last Titan is already confirmed to take place in an updated NorthrendNah, just revamped Storm Peaks + 3 new literal who zones
>>719628604What is this, opposite day? Did you start playing in legion or something? And I thought warth babies were bad.
>>719624024dont care still playing turtle, which actually respects wow's original lore
>>719628732Cope more shitter, classic is dead as fuck compared to retail for a reasonevery year since 2019 has just proven over and over how bad old WoW was
>>719624024more like dead elftroon pozzslop sagaxiv won
>>719628745meanwhile wow didnt respect wc3 lore
>>719624024Your leaks are fake as fuck. No one believes you, you fuckin retard.
>>719628849The only good expansion is vanilla, era has been doing incredibly well considering there hasn't been a single content update or reset since it launched in 2019. Hardcore has been performing way beyond expectations, then there's anniversary and SoD. Every single incarnation had tons of full servers despite being the same fucking game form 2004. It's just that good.Now what will happen when they launch classic+ is that, depending on how good it is, tons of retail players will migrate. The pastures of vanilla is just so much greener than the thansexual, furry-ridden shithole that is retail.
All video game generals belong on /vg/
>>719629201>dude era is THRIVING, hardcore is POPPING OFFlmaoyoure completely retarded holy shitVanilla is rancid dogshit, every iteration of it is worthless. Nobody plays classic because its garbage>tons of retail players will migrateNobody is playing your shallow mindless boomer slop. 2019 was the one chance and as soon as people got over their nostalgia the illusion that vanilla was ever good was goneNow no more posting until you link your IO to see if you are actually capable of discussing retail
>>719624024metzen's actual pitch for world of diversitycraft:>be a better man>no bikini armor because my feminist daughter will freak out
>>719629356You're objectively wrong about everything you say, like an orc arguing that Sauron isn't actually that bad. Of course you think so but anyone with half a brain can tell that you're deranged.I'm actually convinced that they're planning to reset the game after The Last Titan, it's just too bloated and ridiculous at this point. Classic+ (of course it won't be called that) will actually be a reboot of the game. They might keep The Last Titan up for quite some time while the migration process is happening but it will inevitably stop.Maybe you'll get to replay them as a classic server at some point while everyone else is playing Classic+.
i don't give a shit what this shell of a man scam artist intended, i'm not giving a cent to this pozzed up commiefornian company
>>719630339Im actually right about everything, better than you at the game and better than you at life>I'm actually convinced that they're planning to reset the game after The Last Titanthis just reaffirms that youre retarded. They arent sunsetting the most popular version of the game to push a streamer grift server>it's just too bloatedmeaningless buzzword, again you have no real argumentpathetic
>>719630508>black woman finds an affinity with orcswere they actually based for this though
>>719629382..and this was the guy that was "saving" WoW
>>719630801Lefties literally imagine orcs as black people..and then the racists are other people.
>>719630508this >>719630801blizzard's "pandering" are actually kino 500 iq insults. like the tranny BLIZZARD pride shirt that spells out LIAR with pink letters. still a chud company and they get away with it because brainlets with surface level observation skills. like you and the average leftist.
>>719630686I don't know the details but it's safe to assume that they won't keep all the dead content in the game around forever, just like they didn't keep their numbers inflating to impossibly large numbers and instead introduced a stat squish as a temporary bandage to the problem. The World of Warcraft is literally going to end in The Last Titan, what do you think is going to happen? they just go on like nothing ever happened? No retard they're going to massively change the game, either converge it into something else or reboot it.
>>719627301>but it's not THAT low effortLOL! it's basically f2p tripe tier quality at this point. the fact that they charge a monthly sub on top of an expansion entry fee for this is absolutely baffling
>>719631163>it's safe to assume that they won't keep all the dead content in the game around foreveryes they will, there is no reason to remove it>The World of Warcraft is literally going to end in The Last TitanNo it wont, the heroes will win as always>what do you think is going to happen? they just go on like nothing ever happened?Yes we will go on to the next expansion just like after Cataclysm or Legion or Shadowlands or The War Within. Beating a big bad has never stopped the story>No retard they're going to massively change the gameNo, they wont. Theres no reason to, it only upsets long time players and wont bring in anyone new. Nobody is avoiding playing WoW because old Northrend is still in the game, but they will screech and cry if it gets removed. We saw this in Cata
>>719624024I wish Dragonflight allowed you to play actual dragons. No transformation deviant art bs, just big ass dragon, carry you group around, a bunch of op abilities, infinite fly etc.Why devs just wont make shit fun, man
>>719631898>why wont they let me be overpowered in a multiplayer gamegee idk anon, maybe people dont want their characters of 20 years to be worthless because some scaly fuck can fly infinitely?
>>719624024classic+ confirmed after they took down turtle wow, it's nostalrius all over again
>>719631679Doing nothing is literally the worst thing they could possibly do, the playerbase 40+ and stagnating. A reboot, revamp or a sequel is the only way to save it.
>>719632182I mean, Blizzard doesn't really care about you having fun with your 20yo characters anyway. You can make dragons lacking in other areas. Like they are too big to get into building without shrinking potion or needing twice the amount of food to gain effect, agro from further away etc. We need more asymmetric designs and balance in vidya, wow is to formulaic and stale.
>>719633702sounds like too much effort for a small mom&pop company to handle. they couldn't even amass the budget for their brain drained disney reject art team to allow drakthyr to wear anything but shoulderpadscome on man be more reasonable with your requests
>>719633702WoW became popular because it picked good ideas and stayed away from shitty ones. Every single MMO with asymmetrical gameplay failed while WoW succeded. Surely modern WoW stagnated a lot, but still pretty good gameplay-wise.
>>719634158It's not even an MMO anymore, the leveling is horrible and not at all a focus of the game. They sell instant level ups in the cash shop because it's so awful doing it yourself.People just hang out in towns and queue for instanced dungeons or arenas, it might as well be a lobby game like Vindictus.What good is success if you sell your soul to attain it? I'd rather play an unpopular game than some homogenized trash like retail WoW.
>>719634467It's a good MMO ARPG, it still has a lot more rpg elements than the average arpg even, they just found the sweet spot. MMOs that focus too much on the RPG aspect have shit gameplay
>>719634035Sorry, got too excited about imagining having fun in video games. At least we got the best gmod youtube poop creators making cinematics on the team, right? Can't wait for more gay elves.Anyway, I should get ready to gear up my human male paladin yet again and save up some McDonalds $$$ on next mount and raid clears.
>>719629382>metzen is a better men poster Lmao
>>719627053It's just whatever, the whole fucking kingdom of elfs is under blood elfs, high elfs are the minority of betrayers without their homeland. They aren't even similar to trolls or different kingdom of humans.
>>719627053all that is bs. it's petty tribalism, simple as. once the sunwall was fixed at the end of tbc they were basically the same race, and once they stopped snorting fel and the lingering effects of snorting it wore off and their green eyes reverted back to blue they were literally the same race.
>>719634467And even classic WoW felt for the most part almost as classic RPG while usually any average Korean MMO on the market suggest you to grind your levels trough killings thousands of the same mobs on the same location before you can go into guild wars or something.
>>719624024>Source: "it came to me in a dream."
Ethereals would not choose one side unless the Horde got an equivalent like the Brokers.>No Source>Fan-Fiction>No reason for Artificer to have only 2 specs when it's such an easy concept to make specs for.
>>719635656When I woke up this morning I was still in the dream so I know it's real.
>>719635719you're never getting ethereals. you're never getting amani trolls, you're never getting arakkoa, ogres, broken.you will take another OC donut steel from the nu-writers subverting the setting and you will be happy.
>>719627387>>719625094A Turtle has made it to the Water!
>>719635740You are still dreaming, wake up, faggot, it's time to work.
>>719635818Oh shit *fades out of reality*
>>719629382sex must be incredible
The Scourge is coming back whether you want it or not.The Lich King is coming back whether you want it or not.Shadowlands shit is coming back whether you want it or not.Icecrown Citadel being a giant antenna is coming back whether you want it or not.
>>719634467MMO means leveling has to be a boring slog?Retail is far less homogenized than classic btw. Classic classes are all nearly identical in play but some just do 5x more damage
>>719636306Yea let's just state the opposite of what is true, really funny joke.
>>719636143oh boy i can't wait for them to dig up arthas once again only to take a giant shit and piss all over his legacy.
>>719624024>WoW has a bunch of cool shit planned>realize their team cant do it>backtrack hard as fuck>cobble together some half assed end raid content built off of other patch content>repeat for next expactheyve been doing this since forever, its even documented for WoD. the entire team sucks and the stories always dead end, not a single expansion has had a conclusion. also player housing is hilarious because they already announced theyll destroy your home like FFXIV does if you dont play/unsub/etc
>>719636553>they already announced theyll destroy your home like FFXIV does if you dont play/unsub/etcThis never happened and you now look like a drooling baiting retard
>>719629382Women are doing far better than men in general today, they're favoritized everywhere, in schools, in the home, in media etc. Men are villainized everywhere.
>>719636446But it is true, classes are all varied on retailTell me how similar a pres evoker is to a resto shaman or fistweaving monkMeanwhile everything in vanilla is mash 1 button
>>719624176Wait really?
>>719637012Pretty much every class has access to all the tools, everyone can move fast, charge or disengage, everyone can burst, everyone has defensive cooldowns, everyone has self healing etc. Hell even most classes have stealth which is ridiculous. Which order you have to press buttons or how many buttons you press in order to deal damage heal or hold aggro really doesn't matter much, what matters is your situational abilities. How you deal with incoming damage, your ability to kite or CC and so on, how unique your class is in its gameplay. What tools does it have that the others don't have access to, that's what makes them unique. Don't fucking tell me their damage rotations make them special, that's ridiculous. You're either ranged or melee in retail, everything else is fluff.
>>719624176At this point I wouldn't mind if he returned just because I absolutely blizzard's evil woman archetype like Xal, Sylvanas and Lilith.
>>719624024I'm just sitting here wondering what they have done to fuck up housing, theres gonna be something utterly inredeemably wrong with it I just know it.
>>719638558you mean besides HoA?
>>719638558Obvious thing - all the good stuff will be in in-game store. They would add orc, elfs and human houses and never add anything else.
WoW story is like a Marvel nowThere is a finite amount of world ending threats that you can pull off before whole things turns into a joke
>>719624024>Undermine Goblin as allied raceRemind me about how they are different from regular Goblins? Because they are notalso>8 zones for one (1) single expansion>9 (nine) zones in the expansion after thatYeah, no.
>>719638558>HoA>chores to upgrade your neighbourhood>can only have human, orcigger or elftroon architecture>already begun selling premium-only furniture as premium box edition bonuses, won't be long until they're junk in the e-shop tooIf you don't think it's already fucked, you're blind.
>>719638710theres not actually gonna be HoA right?>>719638778>all the good stuff will be in in-game store.you're probably right, I just can't help but feel they'll add some shit garrison style shit to them too
retail wow has buckbroken millions of people
>>719624024Why do you retards even bother with this retarded larp shit? You don't even attempt to try to make it even slightly believable.
>>719639336blizzard has been known to pay jeets to make shill threadsand jannies never delete these threads despite being generals so they're probably on the payroll too
>>719639460Source? Did it came to you in a dream?
>>719639879we have wow threads every day retard. just open your eyes
>>719638928POST MOAR
>FFXIV is on it's last legsWoW can't be far behind with Microsoft gutting everything to make the line go up.
>>719640068i said source, not your schizo delusions
>>719640459https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/subject/wow/filter/text/https://arch.b4k.dev/v/search/subject/warcraft/filter/text/how much are you getting paid blizzjeet? under minwage i bet
>>719640429Don't you worry, they'll get their top of the line AIs that they paid tens of billions of dollars for to handle things and then have a few dozen pajeets they pay pennies to actually hold the mess togetherFuture's looking bright!
>>719640429WoW's doing so fine it's copying XIV's housing model right down to ownership decay, a system that makes no sense for a housing system that doesn't actually accommodate XIV's neighborhoodsXIV is getting its shit together in raid designs after two stagnant expacs and promising big class/job design reworks in the next expac, WoW's kinda floating and Microsoft is burning everything trying to get the gaming division in the black while also forcing AI use among all workersAt my absolute most pessimistic for XIV they've cratered in subscriptions but that's hardly surprising for any expansion which always divots out between X.0 and X.3 and then crests in the buildup to next expansion, on top of at its lowest still having a population count as estimated by censuses that any other MMO would kill for
>>719640914Yeah it's doing so fine they're paying indians to shill it 24/7 on this board. Dead fucking game.
>>719641092Are they? I'd assume Indians would be behind the 24/7 hate-spam in FFXIV threads, not the actual creation of threads. Don't tell me you don't know who Dumpy is.
>>719640914The next XIV expansion isn't coming until 2027.
>>719641161They can do both, there's 2 billion of them.
>>719641197neither is midnight...
>>719641197Even assuming that's the case and not hearsay based entirely off of Fanfest timings that are rarely ever 100% accurate in determining expac launch dates:And?
>>719640429nobody cares about your erp chatroom, we play MMOs here
>>719641280Midnight is in 2026...
>>719641368So neither XIV or WoW then.
wow is literally the brown's version of XIV
>>719638928You forgot>1 new race>2 new classes>in 1 expansion
>>719624024>Avalorenare we REALLY still pushing this larp
does wow still have that shitty slap-on texture for body and leg armor, or did they fix that?
>>719641978short answer: yeslong answer: no but yes
>>719641280midnight is coming out in 6 months, anon
>>719641978depends on the set. there is no fully 3d gear but recent sets have more 3d elements to them
>>719642443didn't midnight come out a year ago? retailfags are already ready to hand in another 90 dollars for a new xpac (can't pick the poorfag version with 3 days late access and no opportunity to exploit early exploit often of course)? LMAO
>>719642531and you're telling me there are people that still pay money to play this despite the fact that in 20 years the developers can't be fucked to do something as simple as add 3d armor?
>>719624024It was obvious that the three expansions was literally Blizzard's new jewish move to sell a patch for expansion prices.
>>719642631>midnightTWW*
>>719629382why are men so gay nowadays
>>719629382Chris metzen
>>719642795it's just wow players
>>719642730the expansion still has expansion content>3 raids>8 dungeons>11 delves>4 new zones>new apex talents>prey solo content>housing>new race>new dh spec>new bg>new pvp only zone>new new/returning player experience>pvp training mode>dbm, details and plater integrated in the base game>tmog rework
>>719643152>delvesenough of this gay shit
>>719643257>enough of this gay shityou'd get farmed by "?" difficulty ky'veza
>>719643387I refuse to play slop
>>719643257delves is the only fun thing in poewhy are they shit here? how shitty did blizz copied them?
>>719643517you got #filtered>>719643568idk how they work in poe but delves in wow have scaling difficulty and rewards up to tier 11 and up to heroic tier gear. the delves have new variants each week. there is also a boss-only on 2 difficulty tiers that provide a good challenge
>>719643568i don't know what a poe delve is but a WoW delve is just a single player game tailored for 1-5 peopleas you can expect from a piece of content that should be equally beaten by a solo dps or a solo healer or a solo tank or a full group with a tank and healer, the balance is DOGSHIT
>>719643763there is also a boss-only delve on 2 difficulty tiers that provides a good challenge*
>>719643793>a single player game tailored for 1-5 peopleam i fucking retarded? a dungeon tailored for 1-5 people*
>>719624024>caring about actimicroblizzard in this day and age
>>719624024Why are you people obsessed about writing fanfics about what happens at blizzard? Thats a weird hobbie
>>719643793poe delve is just following a car around while trash spawns. then you get to the end and you get lootyou can't go out of the car way because "darkness" kills youat least it was fun in the league it was added dunno anymore
>>719643946they're paid indian marketers to keep up hype for their flopslop. MIDnight looks like a paid patch so they have to pretend people are hyped or hopeful
>>719643894it's solo content but you can do it with other people. balance wise, it's better to do them solo
>>719644019also the deeper you go , the harder the trash and the better loot. so that part sounds just like you guys mentioned
>>719624024WoW hasn't done X.3 patches in years and we already know Metzen came back after 11.0 was already heavily through development.Lmao
>>719644036You have schizophrenia
>>719631073Or maybe you lefty DEI hires are just that fucking stupid that you do our jobs for us?
>>719644172i'm not giving money to blizzard as a white male though
>>719642795theyre puttin shit in the water that's turning all the guys gay.
>>719629382>works for company that sexually harassed its female employees>had a "cosby room">probably one of the "old boys" who joined in>now punishes all men to make himself feel better and cope that its penanceSeems like there's more and more men like this. Boomers and Gen-X, who want to self flagellate all men to "atone" for their personal actions without ever actually atoning themselves. George Lucas is like this too. Selfish to the end.
>>719630508>the fucking black lives matter fist in the backgroundAh, that's the cringe, that's the stuff right there.
>>719637585Except none of this is true>everyone can move fast, charge or disengageYou say that like they arent fundamentally different things >everyone can burstSome specs are way more bursty than others, dramatically so. >everyone has defensive cooldownsAnd there is a world of difference between something like AMS which blocks debuff application and barkskin which is just a dr>everyone has self healingLeech is different than casting heals on yourself is different than altar time >even most classes have stealthRogue Mage Druid Hunter, 2 of which always had stealth, thats not most classes>Don't fucking tell me their damage rotations make them special, that's ridiculous. Of course it's does, how you spend most of your time playing is extremely reflective of the class being unique. >You're either ranged or melee in retail, everything else is fluff.Extremely low skill post. Listen to any good player talk about classes and they'll discuss damage profiles including CD time, if the class is good for funnel or prio damage, or padding aoe, their crowd control and what their CC DRs with.
>>719624024>2 ClassesPeople aren't even trying anymore with these fake leaks
I won't be buying any after TWW.Three major content patches does not a $50 expansion make. Anyone who tells you otherwise is a fucking freakshow.
>>719644813>we need to normalize getting invaded by niggers
>>719628625Probably rehash Ulduar too cause they know it's 99% better than their new shit.
>>719637585EVERYONE HAS MOVEMENT WOOOOW HOLY SHITCharge? Sprint? Blink? Aspect of the Cheetah? Ghost Wolf? ALL LITERALLY THE SAME SPELLWOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW I CAN'T BELIEVE NU-RETAIL WOULD DO THIS, WE NEED TO FIND OUT WHEN THESE SPELLS WERE PUT INTO THE GAME SO WE KNOW EXACTLY WHEN WOW WENT TO SHIT
>>719640914>XIV is getting its shit together in raid designs after two stagnant expacs and promising big class/job design reworks in the next expacEvery single future customer or returning customer will have to play through wuk's x-pac. So long as that shit exists, ff14 is not doing better.
Isn’t this that game that’s copying ffxiv
>>719645091or they can skip cutscenes. why do retards make a big deal out of content you do only once? xiv doesn't demand you have an army of alts like wow
>>719645179yes which is the reason nu-wow is gay, brown and trans marvelslop
>>719645281Wow was always that tho
>>719645209>game prides itself on story>required entire x-pac of retarded shallow story with insufferable protagonist that replaces the player as the mc>even have to play as the retard>"just skip the cutscenes"You're numb to it. Dawntrail is an unironic issue going forward. It will aggressively damage the brand of anyone who has to complete it. Think the memeing against stormblood but its actually insufferably bad. Dawntrail has already insured that i'll never play ff14 again if I have to play through that. And I seriously doubt i'm the only one. Not to mention again, the damage that new players will get playing through that x-pac, especially if it becomes the "new" starting point in the future instead of arr.
>>719629382Why are people surprised a California based company has this shit mindset?
>>719645494>You're numb to it.yes, i also play(ed) wow. tuning out when the characters are yapping about some shit i don't care is no stranger to me
>>719640914>it's copying XIV's housing model right down to ownership decay,They're not, though. They explicitly said they're not doing that, and even phrased it in a way to shit on the XIV model.WoW has enough bullshit going on that you don't have to lie like this, anon. Just shit on the actual problems it has.
>>719645912>They explicitly said they're not doing that, are you really believing blizzard after 20 fucking years of wow patches and lies?
>>719645970>my lie is not a lie because fuck BlizzardOh, okay. You're just a faggot.
>>719644880The only low skill thing here is your style of arguing, picking it apart sentence by sentence while avoiding the point of the post as a whole.You even skipped the sentences where it pointed out how slight variations between the order of which you press buttons or how many buttons you press don't matter much for making the class feel unique, how can it if the result of pressing those buttons is largely the same? maybe that was too hard to argue against.
>>719629382>what living in CA does to a mferHe looks more stressed and bald after his break than before it. Probs got a divorce and his daughter he white knighted against Sylvanas-tummy for is probably being taught to hate him
>>719645912ownership decay is not housing decayif you go offline too long someone can take your spot. you still keep your house and furniture and their positions and you can plop it down somewhere else when you come back, they'll just take the spot where your house used to be.
>>719646014>slurping up blizzard’s horseshit after decades of lying
>>719630801Don't insult orcs, they introduce themselves by who their father is.
>>719646091>The only low skill thing here is your style of arguing, picking it apart sentence by sentence while avoiding the point of the post as a whole.This is the terminally online incel phenomena. This happens because he watched too many epic video essay debate takedowns, where they use this “style” of rhetoric of talking over a video then pausing to drop the epic facts and logic.It’s always been gay as fuck, and not a valid form of an argument. You respond to what someone says in the entirety, or not at all.
>>719645606I know for a fact some of the people that bitch about Wuk Lamat online are also religious cutscene skippers, so I'm not sure why people act like skipping cutscenes is a lost skill and they're being put in a Clockwork Orange eye-opening device where it concerns this one specific character.I know the real answer is they need fuel, and for a lot of people they're also going to watch the cutscenes just so they know what's going on later even if Wuk Lamat is THAT big of a fucking deal for them, and neither camp will offer "skip the cutscenes" as a solution because they'll be the first to complain they don't know what's going on later (and their stream chats will laugh at them for suggesting it)
>metzen's back>corruptionI believe it
>>719627053If they didn't add High Elves in Legion, they will never add then, period. The whole Void Elf allied race was basically them saying "You won't get High Elves". They caved in by giving VElves normal skins and eye colors after the outrage, which further confirms they will never add High Elves proper.
>>719624024who fucking cares?
>>719647035we have 3 dwarves.we can have 3 high elves.
>>719646014what lie i said fucking retard?i'm saying you are a fucking retard for believing blizzardbut i guess you are a shill but dont worry, after mop we haven't got any content drougts because they employed 500 people!kill yourself waste of oxygen
>>719646439it has to be a fetish
>>719637585>everyone can move fast, charge or disengageno. there are still turbo slow classes and giga mobile classes. >everyone can burstthats the 1 thing i agree with you on, the game has really stagnated into burst windows. the "best" specs of each raid tier are the ones whos cooldowns perfectly line up with bosses summoning adds to aoe down. there isnt a "sustain" spec that does comparable damage to a "burst" spec either, everyone does burst>everyone has defensive cooldowns, everyone has self healing etcuhh yeah thats how it was in vanilla too? people had unique forms of healing. victory rush is different compared to healing wave. bubble is different compared to evasion imo, i think you are largely basing your opinions on solo questing and not group play. when you solo quest in vanilla you have to use your class's toolkit to survive. in retail, leveling is so easy you dont have to do anything. in both versions of the game, group play is very homogenized. dungeon gameplay is about spamming aoe and interrupting/cc'ing specific enemies. theres very little class expression in vanilla dungeons. outside of being hilariously imbalanced like soloing dungeons as a frost mage or judging classes by their ability to escape when youve fucked up a pull, theres very little difference between classes. you either spam aoe or use your 1 min cc then single target something
>>719624024>High Elvesthis is how you know that OP is a faggot
>>719647636It's a hard argument to make because illustrating all the things that make classes less unique from one another is a hell of a long list, I think people that have played the game for a long time and dipped back into vanilla do get it if they want to.Like about healing, rogue for instance didn't have a heal, they couldn't just stealth and recuperate to full they had to leave stealth somewhere and eat up. Mages were very valuable for their food and portals but now there's so many conveniently placed portals everywhere that it really undervalues this feature of the mage class. Same with warlocks portals because of summoning stones and also the dungeon finder, who needs summons anymore right? It's not just class changes but other features impacting this as well, like toys and trinkets with all kinds of situational abilities undervaluing the toolkits of each individual class. If you want something on a class, chances are there's some bullshit item out there that does exactly what you want and every class has access to it.It's just too much shit in this game, it needs a reset.
>>719625094as part of their deal they're giving your info to blizzard and your going to jail :)
>>719645209>or they can skip cutscenes.there's a lot of >talk with wuk lamat" and one mandatory scene where you literally play as her. They werent even hiding the favoritism.
>>719647035Turtle wow has high elves.
>>719625534>There is barely any budget going into this>making more content than ever>releasing faster than everhuh is this nigga retarded?
>>719651683dragonflight's engagement numbers were carried by classic
>>719640914>WoW's doing so fine it's copying XIV's housing model right down to ownership decayWhy is this troon so obsessed with wow they have to lie like the most retarded disgusting nigger?It's so funny you have XIV players literally hyping up WoW housing while this troon is literally living in compelte delusion.
>>719646091There is no point to it, everything you said was wrong so the overall post was wrong>how can it if the result of pressing those buttons is largely the same?But its not, which you somehow still cant understand because you're bad at the gameThere is a world of difference between a class that does 90% of its damage in a short burst window and a class that is steady dps entirely, even if they end up the same at the endThere is a world of difference between a class that splits its aoe cleanly across targets and one that funnels damage into its main target with a little cleave >>719646371A conclusion follows from its supporting arguments retardIf all your claims are wrong (they are) then the conclusion is unsupportedYou cant be wrong about literally everything and then pretend your argument is valid
>>719647282>i'm saying you are a fucking retard for believing blizzardNah you're just a retarded nigger that can't read, that's why you're here wasting your life making shit up over a game you don't even play.
>>719624024>Storm Peaks, Lordaeron, Grizzly Hills, Quel’thalas, Howling Fjord, Zul’Aman, Zul’Drak, Arathor, AvalorenWhoa, weird, Metzen's idea for an expansion was leaked and it sounds exactly like something a braindead retard who nostalgically jacks off WOTLK in the Grizzly hills theme comments section on youtube would come up with.
>>719652456>source?>my retarded troon copeM+ and raiding numbers were better in S3 than during DF launch, but sure, classic is the one carrying retail lmaoIt's just a waste of time talking with a troon that doesn't want to live in reality.
>>719653380there was a huge spike when classic first released and sub numbers have consistently been much higher ever since.>It's just a waste of time talking with a troon that doesn't want to live in reality.you're right, so this is the last (You) i'll give you
>>719653380No, you don’t understand. Classic players are the ones getting absolutely raped by Raszagetz, all 12 of them.
>>719651270As well as retail.
>>719648373You're so unbelievably dogshit at the game its not even funnyRogues walking away and eating ISNT unique, thats what half the classes in vanilla had to do. Mage portals and food were cute gimmicks and totally meaningless overallRight now warlock Gateway is more important than summoning ever was, entire boss strats hinge on having a warlock gateway if not multiple.
>>719653579There was a huge spike and then instantly a huge drop off, people's nostalgia wore off within a month and they dropped classic again
>metzen will save tww!it's shit>metzen will save midnight!!it's shit>metzen will save the last titan!!!it's shitface it they brought the guy to scam ur asses
Who gives a shit. I have a free money printer idea for Blizzard: Make a Vanilla, TBC and WotK themed expansions and make the entrance to these expansions inside the Caverns of Time. Make the first raid in the first of these expansions Dead Mines. No one, and I mean literally no one, gives a fuck about the current story/lore.
>>719653579We are talking about DF engagment, are classic players doing M+ and raiding in retail? Holy shit, how fucking retarded are you?I love it, the data and blizzard are literally telling you that DF retention was insane because they were able to release more content than ever, faster than ever and you're counter argument is about 2018 classic wow...actually retarded.>M+ and raiding numbers were better in S3 than during DF launchThis is your proof that classic players are the ones boosting DF engagment.Just end your sad troon life.
>>719626110>a way to redeem their souls for running the game into the groundThere's no way you actually believe this
>>719654017Why? Nobody cares about the stories in any of those areas either and will get incredibly bored if things feel familiar
>>719654168Are you trolling or what? You can't be serious. They're literally re-releasing WoW Classic Classic as we speak.
>>719654296And its got a fraction of the players of retailClassic is a 0 effort version with minimal but free returnA new expansion in Outland would require high investment Unless you're seriously suggesting releasing it as is and not a ground up remake of the zones, in which case LMAO
>>719654373Clearly remake it, no shit. Retail would be twice as popular over night.
>>719653916>twwit's good>midnightlooks good>the last titanlooks kino
>>719654435So after they remake northrend and the initial honeymoon phase is over what exactly keeps people playing? Everyone has already seen dragonblight and storm peaks before, there's no new story to tell, people will get boredThey want new.
ban blizznigger threads
>>719653757>Mage portals and food were cute gimmicks and totally meaningless overallDisingenuous as fuck
>>719654610I seriously hope you don't think whatever WoW is doing at the moment keeps people playing. Lmao.>They want new.Clearly not.
>>719655425Okay show me how many mages get brought to raids for food and portals
>>719625094make sure to go to the big end of the server event in stormwind
>>719654053It's the same sub retard, they made it on purpose so they can befuddle engagement numbers.Friendly reminder that if you boot up b.net, boot up classic, boot up the PTR and boot up retail you count as 4 engagements in Blizzard's quarterly reports.
>>719655502But retail WoW is 100x more popular than classic and by far the biggest MMO on the market, obviously they do want new stuff
Allied races should be purged from the game.Undeads too.
>>719655570>so they can befuddle engagement numbers.isn't that shit illegal?
>>719624024how many gay centaur weddings can i be the officiant for?
>>719655912No. Even if it was who would prosecute them? The fucking DOJ to actiblizz pipeline is well known, you have literal cia directors working for blizzard
>>719655502classic is hard carried by streamers. they are pushing for classic+ because they need to content to farm and because retail has gotten way too formulaic. in terms of actual numbers retail mogs classic and it's not even close
Chris metzen
>>719655912no lmao. are you kidding? 80% of the quarterly reports run on lawyerspeak and "technically corrects"
>>719656141Retail gets absolutely obliterated by classic, what are you smoking, retail is mega dead even the unpopular classics like cata and mop dominate retail
>>719656141Its because retail is too hard for them. Streamers hate to be embarrassed as bad players
>>719624024>Arathi raceu wot now
>>719656258This is pure delusion>cata and MoPWere the most popular versions of classic when they were out, SoD, SoM, era, anni, hardcore all were beyond dead
>>719656330isnt mop in a pretty bad shape right now? cata did okay
>>719656336gay sex caused shadowlandsthis is an official piece of lore that happened
>>719656258you're retarded. ret paladin alone has more parses in the new raid than classic has players>>719656272it's not that. if you aren't into m+, raiding or pvp there aren't many other interesting activities to show
>>719656303blizzard retconnect a new kingdom on the other side of the world which was created by the descendants of the arathi, they are all half elf and half human so they can be special
>>719656443>parses Jesus Christ you are absolutely fucking retarded
>>719656330What’s delusion is actually saying the deadest version of wow isn’t retail
>>719655520>hurr durr WoW is only about raidsLol, although the water for all the healers was a must and the portals after the raid saved everybody's hearthstone.
>>719645281blizzard just refines janky sea nonsense and makes it into something people want to play
>>719624024>allied racesstopped reading there.allied races are the lamest shit in this piece of shit game.last real races the game got was Worgen and Goblins
>>719656643yeah we've known blizzard to reduce interesting IPs into normie-friendly slop ever since forever since both warcraft and starcraft are literally "we have warhammer at home"
>>719656734yeah exactly, and look how much money its printed
>>719656778Not much any more, even McDonald’s is still going
>"show me why classic is more popular than retail">average classic player: *crickets*classic wow will always be a minigame
>>719656478what the fuckalso "arathi"? isn't the kingdom "stromgarde"
>>719656871Who are you quoting?
>>719656862thats microsofts problem now
>>719656871If you log into retail you legit see nobody but some bots in trade selling gold or mythic+ runs
>>719656871Real redpill: None of it is popular, Blizzard is a federal asset
>>719657037they're in dungeons actually playing the game? unlike in classic where there's nothing to do but run laps on the top of the orgrimmar bank all day
>>719656923Yeah, the arathor founded the Arathi empire, now kown as stromgarde the kingdom, this new arathi empire was founded by arathis who sailed to the unknown part of the world with some elfs, the fucked each other and now only half elf/half humans remain on this new kingdom
>>719657182>all these players just go to a different school ok that’s why you can’t see them
>>719656871Blizzard doesn't release their numbers either way, prove to me that retail is more popular than classic.
>>719657158This is a good read but it’s missing a couple of other noteworthy connections. The biggest one being Snowden LITERALLY NAMED BLIZZARD AND WORLD OF WARCRAFT as part of his NSA whistleblowing
>>719657505You can also tell it’s old because there’s no Epstein mention
I reached level 80 and I don't know what to do anymore. I don't care about raids or hard dungeons. In pvp I always get stomped by some sweaty tryhard who is thousands of honor and gear ahead of me. I don't care much about solo content such as delves (why the fuck am I paying a $15 sub to wank myself in some single player dungeon). This is the first expansion and month of game time I purchase since Legion. Is it truly over for me?
>>719657482>retail: gets content>classic: gets nothingthis is the biggest proof. keep begging blizzard to release "classic+"
>>719657697Only if you’re psyopped cattle, if you’re normal you’ll just move the fuck on
>>719657859>retail >gets contentMore like gets layoffs and it’s expansions removed and replaced with paid patches
>>719657876There's nothing else to play though.
>>719657697You're just a couple of steps away from freedom, take it before the addiction sucks you back in.
xivvies sweating really hard itt because our housing system is about to trash their troonslop erp chatroom
>>719656141Yea, no shit Classic is old as fuck and even when they tried new content in SoD it was temporary shit. No one is going to play a temporality MMO especially if it requires a sub. Classic+ with a promise of a future will absolutely destroy retail WoW and it won't even be close, like RS3 vs OSRS levels of BTFO.
>>719657936>More like gets layoffs and it’s expansions removed and replaced with paid patchesoppsed to classic where you pay a sub to play yet another re-release of vanilla wow. pls keep funding retail, little hamster
>>719658193>Classic+ with a promise of a future will absolutely destroy retail WoW and it won't even be closeyeah no
>>719658028As you'll eventually realize, playing nothing is actually a lot better.
>>719658353I legitimately can't even imagine being this delusional. No one likes retail WoW anymore besides the people with Stockholm syndrome.
>>719658402based
>>719656616Water for healers isnt a must because they can just bring someSaving a hearthstone CD doesnt matter when you're logging off afterwards
>>719658462>No one likes retail WoW anymoreyou're the delusional one. retail has millions of players and most of them aren't interested in classic.
>>719658580>retail has millions of playerslol. lmao even.
>>719658490Mage water saves the cost of buying store water, it also restores your mana quicker than bought water unless you travel a long distance and purchase it from specific vendors.>hearthstone CD doesnt matter when you're logging off afterwardsWhat do you mean log off? After the raid you're supposed to test out the new items you got by killing some gnomes in world pvp. Logging off is for fags.
>>719656440What does this have to do with gay sex?
>>719658695can you prove it's not true?
>>719658908
>>719626548JUST PUT HELVES IN THE FUCKING GAME YOU COCKSUCKING MOTHER FUCKING PIECE OF RWTARDEX SHIT!!
>>719658825Luckily since loot is so dogshit in vanilla its likely you got nothing after a night of raiding and you can logout!
>>719659194Doesn't stop me from killing gnomes, it's actually the main reason for playing the game. The primary purpose of raiding is to be able to kill gnomes faster.
>>719657575>My name is Jeffrey Epstein, and I'm a goblin auctioneer
>>719659416Weird that every server is super lopsided to one faction then, doesnt really help with killing gnomes
>Metzen got fired and they still haven't announced it
>>719658908he was spending time with the drunkard from boralus
>>719659551All the servers play together outside of instances on era, a when all those 100% horde servers and 100% alliance servers come together that makes it a pretty even 50/50 split.SoD also introduced faction locking which worked really well, I bet they'll keep using that model going forward.
>>719629382"blah blah blah"motherfucker acts like he didn't knew about anything that was happening behind the sceneneither the fact that the peoples who act like that are not the average Joe but the average CEO/kike.Fuck him and fuck every other "personnalities" who're trying to make us think every problems in the world are our own fault.
>MoP remix was super fun>Legion remix is literally just Legion classic, heavily timegated and progression based>unironically have to do raids for real>unironically have to do M+ for real>everything costs 10x what it did in Remix despite bronze aquisition rates being the sameholy fuck how did they fuck this up so bad? remix literally requires player participation to work and everyone is just not going to play until the end when everything is unlocked
>>719659578It doesn't say that.
>metzen was a marketing stunt after all
>>719627301the entire city is a SL asset a large portion of Ethereal structres carry over from SL there's a massive dead space between the islands in Karesh the artists used tricks to make the islands seem bigger than they are by adding large jagged rocks on the edges the delve is a repurposed DF dungeon NO new dungeon since the city dungeon is from SL and ONE raid almost every single mob in Karesh can be found elsewhere, there are zero new model rigs and only a few actual redone outside textures there's no new actual tier of crafting materials only materials that can be exchanged for the same old ones the cloak gimmick is completely reused and literally just the BFA 8.3 cloakIt is one of if not the leanest patch i've ever seen, it's quite literally just a brief campaign story a small new area and a new raid
The Arathi are so damn lame. They should've never been linked to Arathor. If Blizzard wanted a multicultural religious zealot faction, they should've just made them a group of humans who left the main land hundreds of year ago that had no link to any current human kingdom. Then just made all of them black. Then we'd finally have a real reason for black humans to exist in the lore, and Blizzard could have stick all the black characters there forever in Crusader Wakanda.
Why the everliving fuck would the ascended join with the horde and can they even exist outside of the Shadowlands?
>>719658028You’re just waiting for death at this point if you think this
>>719660627Obviously. He literally did an interview talking about how everything now in WoW is done by democratic vote and how difficult that makes doing anything.
>>719656336Shaw was never gayTheir fanfic is not canonI'm so tired of fags
>>719624024So many fucking retards in this thread. Chris Metzen already said that TWW was 10 months into development by the time he re-joined
>>719662089>10 months into developmentSo basically they had nothing
Metzen should be raped by a nigger.
>>719660631You're correct on everything except there actually is a single new dungeon, the Eco-Dome one.
>>719660631New area, new raid and new dungeon puts it above like 90% of patches though?
>>719625784>most of the playerbase prefers retailKek thats why the playerbase is declining (confirmed by Blizz themselves btw) now that classic is over right?
>>719662872>20 year old game isnt bringing in new bloodThis isnt saying much
>>719662957>moves goalpostAlright. Weird how 2019 brought in a lot of players tho, wonder what happened there. Oh right, classic released.
>>719627640If only. We should've gotten lightforged undead and Sylvanas should've permadied long ago.
>>719663038>new playersHeadcanon.It brought players who hadn't played in 15 years back, and they left just as quickly. You can only blow your load like that once
>>719645281It's been going that way long before ffxiv had their huge successes that even lured over wow players in droves.
>>719663517ffhiv never had any huge successes, it just had a bunch of youtube grifters trying to scare wow devs by astroturfing a clearly inferior "game" as threatening competition
>>719660535it's in the book.
>>719657697Take a few pictures of bees and realize the game has nothing to offer outside of doing dungeons but x% harder
>>719657697>won't do dungeons or raids>also wont do solo contentHow desperate for attention are you?
>>719663171They left when classic got to Cataclysm, because that's not much different from retail.
>>719628517>Vanilla is a blank slate and they can take it into any direction they want.But they don't do that. They release the same shit over and over and over. How many times do you want to see the game turn to shit? Are you both retarded AND a masochist?
This thread is STILL up?lmao
>>719629382If women and men are the same and equal, explain why it's men's job to constantly cater to women and fix everything for them.
>>719628517>classic doesn't have the baggage of decades worth of failed expansions.But Blizzard does. And it's them who is going to be making your precious Classic+ (actually Retail-). We saw exactly this happen at the tail end of SoD when they gave out the glyphs to everyone at level 1 and people were just aoeing and zerging shit down to a level that would make WotLK blush.
>>719664314They left immediately because vanilla sucked assCata is identical to Wrath btw
>>719665067They're going to, they didn't survey about it for no reason. Though honestly, seeing the absolute state of retail right now, I don't have much confidence in Blizzard to deliver something that would live up to the quality of the vanilla to wrath era of WoW.
>>719665314Nobody is going to accept slow slop leveling in the current yearHaving to go find groups for old irrelevant content to get your glyph just means people wont play SoD
>>719665394The numbers do not reflect your delusions
>>719665423NetEase confirmed it was happening as well, it's just really a matter of time before it gets announced.
>>719665423What quality? Please tell me what aspect of vanilla through wrath was higher quality than retail.
>>719665423>They're going toI wish your luck with your cope and whatever pozzed, half-baked embarrassing disaster their jeets manage to AI generate for you to buy for $80.
>>719665521I don't feel the need to, not to you anyways>>719665551I'm not giving Blizzard any money
>>719665461Retailbrained excuses. Just get your friends to help out. You ARE playing an MMO, remember?
>>719665627>cant do itLMAO
>>719665697>make your friends carry youWhy bother having it at that point? You arent earning anything, its just a worthless gate that only exists to turn players away
>>719665223 Because "equality" these days just means "get out of my way while I do nothing and you do everything." It’s not about balance, it's about convenience-until something hard needs doing, then suddenly it’s "where are all the good men?" You don’t ever see it work the other way around. Funny how that happens.
OP reeks of FOXXO
Metzen got in when TWW was already mostly done so it's not possible he pitched anything about it to begin with.The only insider here is the guy fucking ur mom.
>>719665461>Nobodyokay but I'm doing it right now and have done 10+ times (leveling to 60 in Vanilla)jejtoo bad zoomers have ipad tiktok brains. gen alpha will be even more mindfucked,
>>719665314If you don't like the game and you don't have any hope for the game ever getting better, then why are you posting about it?
Blizzard has completely destroyed the game I once loved so thoroughly that they have retroactively tainted and destroyed my memories too. I want a full refund of every single dollar I ever gave to them from vanilla to BfA.
>>719666107Trying to talk down to people for them not enjoying cookie clicker "gameplay" of classic is laughable.Sorry your brain got fried on leaded gasoline fumes
My demands are simple: High Elves
>>719660631Undermine was definitely a meatier patch, but that's the way things go. 8.2 was a fuckhuge patch, then 8.3 was basically just old Cata zones with a world event going on. In this case, the Undermine patch had a big and interesting zone, a new dungeon, two new delves, a raid (albeit one that largely takes place in the world space)... etc. Today I got my last paragon chest mount from Undermine, so I'm pretty close to done, I still need some more misc. mechanica to get the last of those mounts as well.
>>719665461I don't know if that's true, since there's no MMOs being made that actually have slow levelling, there isn't an example you can point to.
>>719666220you niggers say this but the moment you have to LoS mobs after sheeping during a dungeon you always cause a wipe.
>>719666336Plenty of slop MMOs come outPantheon, Embers Adrift, Monsters and MemoriesNobody actually wants to play waiting simulators, they want gameplay
>>719666412Literally nobody struggles with LoS you delusional retard
>>719666121I read these threads to remind myself why I should never come back or even give this company a single cent. I know it must be very painful for your favorite multimillion dollar company to get bullied online on an anonymous imageboard but I'm sure you'll live.
>>719666602what do you get from being a vanta black gorilla nigger?dopamine? have you ever pugged a leveling dungeon? let me guess, you just never did them because it wasn't le optimized for your speedrun you fucking cocksucker
I feel like I exist in a psychological horror timeline where everything is horrible and doomed while in the REAL timeline, Blizzard added playable ogres during Warlords and the game made turned to liquid shit.
>>719666608No I don't mind, I'm an avid hater of Blizzard myself and I haven't paid the sub in years. I do however think that they're capable of making something that can be enjoyed from time to time, at least for a couple of months.I was just curious as to your thoughts on the matter.
>>719666812Ogres are literally retarded. Why do you want to play as them?that said everything other race they added after TBC was fucking horrible.
>>719666767The dumbest people alive are vanilla players and they all have no issue leveling, but cant handle a basic pull in retail m+
>>719666887vanilla players never even try retail thougheverbeittheyre not doing "em plus"
>>719666879Ogres are big, cool and were always part of the horde.Before blood elves the horde was the ugly but tough and strong side, ogres would have been a great addition that made sense.
>>719666954They got bodied 10 years ago and the game has only gotten harder since thenAny time a classic player tries they end up getting shitstomped. See Kungen, classictard extraordinare unable to do basic mechanics in shadowlands
>>719666879Ogres canonically killed all their smart leaders, since if you kill the current leader, you become the leader. So all the retarded ogres killed the smart ones, at least on Azeroth
>>719667063Okay but theyre literally retarded though.There are turd doodads littered across their camps ingame.The only "smart ones" have two heads. And even then, the heads fight. It's the rarest of the rare to have a two-headed ogre with synchronized heads.
>>719666856Understandable.> I do however think that they're capable of making something that can be enjoyed from time to time,I used to think that too but after WC3 Refunded, Shadowlands and HotS shitting out quirky donut steels before essentially being put on maintenance mode I realized if this does happen, it's by sheer coincidence and certainly not by intentionally making a good product.I don't understand why anyone would still give these cretins the benefit of the doubt when all they put out is reheated shit from their golden ages or flop after flop. The entire company's running on fumes and WoW addicts.
>>719667074>watch streamersuhh, no?how old are you btw I just get an interesting feeling from you.youre really into dance dance revolution beat saber tiktok gameplay and you watch streamers. almost like tiktok ipad brain.
>>719666879and yet orcs are playable. especially after wod
>>719667271>classic players never play retail>no i wont look at video evidence of classic players in retail, why are you watching someone else playInsane cope, sorry you got caught lying. Classic players just get dunked on in retail and go running back to their easy mode
>>719667150>Okay but theyre literally retarded though.So what?You have disgusting little furries only played by dogfucking trannies and the absolute mockery that are those homosexual Disney dragons.You'll accept anything no matter how ugly and stupid as long as it's not the one unplayable race that has canonically been part of the horde since WC2, why?
>>719667381orcs were never fully retarded. sociopathic basically.
>>719644813That's the symbol of Stromgarde. I will not pretend for a second that the devs didn't put it on there in memory of saint floyd though
>>719667469>start war>lose war>cry about alliance >start war>lose war>cry about alliance>start war>lose war>cry about allianceSeems pretty fucking retarded to me.
>>719667415>no i wont look at video evidenceStreamers play new games to make money. They can't be considered representations of organic player trends. I'm sorry zoomer, but "influencers" aren't genuine people. but, basically the only thing you care about is how fast your reaction time has to be? that is what makes a game better or worse to you?I don't see how you don't FEEL retarded.
>>719627150>they cut pet battles, races, and fishingWho the fuck cares about that shitthey should have dropped pets and fishing years ago
>>719667585>WC1Start war, win war, get hyped>WC2Start war, lose war... very badly>WC3Dont start war except for this one guy who is kind of retarded but they reign him in, win war.
>>719666879WoD ogres (which followed the Mag'har back to Azeroth) are more civilized and organized than orcs have ever been. Even Highmaul mogs Orgrimmar's mudhuts.
>>719667415I don't think retail is hard at all, my experience with hard raids in WoW is other people fucking up and having to wait for them to stop sucking to kill the boss. Not very fun honestly, so I don't care for difficulty in MMOs unless it's a solo challenge.
>>719667439Im not justifying the other races blizzard implemented, man. seriously.
>>719624024Why does it feel like the Last Titan will be a repeat of Kerrigan with some annoying woman becoming a god?money is on sylvanas
>>719667734I just don't consider Wo (or anything post-WotLK) canon, man. I'm happier for it.
>>719660716too much effort and creativity for modern Blizz
>>719667723>win warLiterally NEVER happened. Back to the concentration camp, snotskin.
when did Warcraft go wrong?
>>719668874Cataclysm
>>719668874Vanilla WoW
why does california want to destroy good games?
>>719667592Literally every game either comes down to reaction or strategy, and WoW strategy is a jokeReaction to complex mechanics is where wow creates skill expression, if you take that away the game is a mindless slog like classic
>>719668874When wowhead posted this comic on their front page during WotLK.
>>719669574actual question: in your mind, is hiking or traveling a "mindless slog"?
>>719669745so youre telling me that women were the first whales in gaming? I guess that makes sense.
>>719669958A woman spread her legs to afford epic flying during TBC as well. You might be onto something.
>>719670054major blackpill
>>719668874The Burning Crusade.
Im surprised the retail player base isn't cannibalized by Mop and TBC being available. What draws people to it? When i tried it, it felt soulless and bloated
>>719669898hiking isnt a game retard
>>719671703now try again without buzzwords
>>719671703because they don't want to start over from zero. 99 out of 100 retail players have at least one collectible they're unhealthily attached to.what a dumb question, are you retarded? you don't need to answer that, porn addict.
>>719671703I had hardly any experience with WoW before last year, I tried Retail then some classic versions and some private servers, retail just feels like slop. Combat is too fast and trivial, UI is minimalistic shit, the intro/tutorial/new player funneling is ATROCIOUS compared to the classic racial starting zones with narrator, etc.It's obviously a corpse of the game it used to be. I concluded most of the players are old addicts.
>>719672014I fear that this is also a reason there will never ever be a "wow 2". Imagine the absolute seething from players that spend thousands of hours grinding shit with 0.1% droprates. It would need to be separate to a degree where it has nothing to do with warcraft anymore, though you could argue that that's already the case, since the game is completely different from the original in almost every aspect. Not that I have faith in them making a wow2 that would be good.Also, them introducing a housing system this late into the game's life is probably an indication that it's not going anywhere as well, despite retards pretending that the trilogy will close out the whole story and game.
>>719672518there will never be a wow 2 because blizzard has been brain drained past the point of being able to make their own engine anyway
>>719672962>make their own engineIt's 2025 bro, everyone uses unreal
>>719673108ah yes of course, people will look back at legion and deeply miss the good times when world bosses only caused a 4-6 second lag spike
>>719672126>Combat is too fast and trivialtoo fast is a skill issue, retail is objectively harder than classic so pretending its trivial is a joke>UI is minimalistic shitthe minor differences are barely noticable unless youre desperately looking for something to complain about, because you know classic is indefensibly bad to begin with>the intro/tutorial/new player funneling is ATROCIOUS compared to the classic racial starting zones with narratorgiven how most players in old wow didnt even hit level 10 before quitting, its safe to say the original starting zones are dogshit slogs, and putting you across the continent from friends is terrible
>>719671774Can you define a “game,” please? So far you only consider beat saber, DDR, and nuWoW to be video games.
>>719673805>Can you define a “game,” please? ESL moment
>>719673247one step forward twenty steps backmodern gaming in a shellnut
>>719673324I dislike retail combat because of the fixed rotations and prioritizations. Frost DK was my favorite class there.
>>719675193>fixed rotationsnot a thing>and prioritizationsliterally every game has a priority for damage
>>719674076>philosophers are discussing a particular area of study >”how shall we properly define X?”>”dude ESL MOMENT!!!”Let me guess your next move: you will imply video games “aren’t that deep xD”
>>719675487youre not a philosopher, youre a shitskin unable to handle a game with any real difficulty
>>719675780Yep I guessed correctly. Ninety. dollar. store. mount.you play a game literally made for trannies and bugmen.
>>719675193>Fixed rotationClassic literally has 1-3 button rotations. Everything in retail is situational and prioritized. If anything, it's too complicated on some classes, like Rogue.
>>719676178>still dodging any discussion of gameplayof coursechinks are running all the gdkps in classic btw, but you already know that shitskin
>>719624024>>719625094Reminder turtlechads now official own and run the world of warcraftnu blizzard cucks and retail trannys btfohttps://vocaroo.com/1gCTYqj1plxS
>>719676248ive never been in a gdkp thougheveralbeit you fucking yellow retard. p.s. I know you're probably a gook because both hiking and vanilla WoW are activities enjoyed by white people. soulless reaction-time dodgeslop is what chinks do. like how they enjoy studying 100 hours for a meaningless chink test.>DOOOOD I FUCKING DODGED THE COLORS 11/10 GAME!!!>SHITSKIN!! see, YOURE a SHITSKIN!!shut the fuck up, holy shit. slant-eyed soulless insect.
>>719676545holy shit THIS SUCKS!!! WHERE ARE THE COLORS TO DODGEROLL OUT OF????I NEVER play a fucking game that has WALKING in it.If I'm not DODGING AND REACTING every three seconds it's garbage
>>719676545activity isnt a synonym for game, and vanillafags arent peopleSorry your skin is the color of mud but no need to project, unlike you I'm white>soulless reaction-time dodgeslopImagine being completely unable to handle any real time video game lmaoMight as well stick to mobileshit autobattlers like the rest of the shitskins, thats close to vanilla gameplay anyway
>>719676731ummm, excuse me?? what the fuck is this player doing? "trading conjured food"... uhh, CRINGEa game should ONLY be about your INDIVIDUAL skill to DODGE AND REACT
>>719676731>not having to think is actually a good thing because vanillafags arent capable of itwere you lobotomized as a child? Whats with your complete inability to use your brain?And yes Feralas does suck, thats why everyone gets Mara boosted past it
>>719676854>admitting to being a soulless subhumanGRIM my NIGGER! grim.
Why does WoW for most players involve trying to skip almost all of the game just to raidlog?
>>719676780any real time game?well ILL BE DAMNED YOU FUCKING RETARDSOUNDS LIKE THAT INCLUDES CLASSIC WOW HUH...or are we still saying beat saber is the cutoff for "real" real-time games?
>>719668874It completely dropping the heavy metal aesthetics to the way things worked and things are done in the world. All because of things like "i hav daughter now and i want her to like the thing i make! :("
>>719677046because theyre zoomers. most people who played during the original run never returned because they got jobs and families or died.
>>719676854this you? nobody's impressed btw
>>719677150classic WoW is an idle game actually
>>719677150the only one who ever brought up beat saber is you schizo, you keep strawmanning because you got btfo so hardWhy arent you seething in the ninja gaiden threads about a game actually requiring and rewarding skill? Is it because you know outside of wow boomers everyone else will immediately shit on you for being bad at games?>>719677046everything else sucks, it makes sense to skip it
>>719677440at least this bait is funny. same cant be said about the retard claiming nuWoW is a "real game" because it has doding and reacting to colors... while STILL USING TAB TARGETING JEJMAO
>>719677178That's definitely a big point. The model update making everything look cleaner, smoother and friendlier was a big deal breaker for me. Big chungus pandas certainly didn't help.
>>719677178Also because Draenor flopped hard and they threw the baby out with the bathwater.
>>719677617Not all games have to be the same to be "real games" you scumsucking retard. that's the point I'm making.Better yet, why don't YOU play ninja gaiden instead of a fucking tab-targeting MMO where you move a dot around a board dodging dark goo?
They've been using the same models skeletons and animations for everything for fucking AGES they don't bother to make new shit they just remodel the old shit. I have no idea how many times ice killed the same big guy bigger guy biggest guy models over and over again. Its so fucking lazy. The fuck are ppl paying them for? It's fucking silly
>>719677723Nobody ever said they have to be the same as WoW to be a real game you strawmanning illiterateBut they do need to require either strategy or mechanical skill. Chess is a real game thats based on strategy, Quake is a real game based on mechanical skillClassic WoW is neither, its slop for pigs
>>719677904>Classic WoW is neither, its slop for pigsCan you explain why normal content in WoW requires neither skill not strategy? Can you simply... explain your reasoning?If a DPS pulls aggro by attacking the wrong mob... is this not a failure in strategy?If someone accidentally pulls something, is this not a failure in their "mechanical skill" (not reacting to the environment correctly)?Are you just going to say "well it's so easy so it doesn't count" and yet, anecdotally, every dungeon has ONE person that fucks up pretty bad.
>>719624024wowo wawa wonnered biglier
>>719673324Retail combat>Fly over to mobs at mach 7>Gather as many as you can and sneeze a bunch of particle effects at them like a spastic with a 13 button rotation.>They might have a mechanic but you will typically kill them faster then they can cast it even in quest gear.>Hop on mount and do it all over againClassic combat>Observe surroundings to know where to approach mobs from as to not get surrounded or pull extra>(unless you are a mage) you cannot afford to pull 2 mobs if you dont have full hp so you must be careful >Use 1-3 button rotation to kill mobs then sit down to eat in-between pulls>Alternatively you can form a group with a passerby and and kill mobs much more safely
>>719678491>>They might have a mechanic but you will typically kill them faster then they can cast it even in quest gear.so youve never done a single real dungeon huhthanks for the self report retard lmao. A single pull in a current dungeon has more mechanics and more 1 shots than all of Molten Core>>719678086because none of that matters, the mobs fall over regardlessnon tanks can tank dungeons, so its not like ripping aggro is instant deathpulling extra doesnt matter because mobs dont do anything>and yet, anecdotally, every dungeon has ONE person that fucks up pretty bad.classic players are LITERALLY retarded. Its a self selected group of people for whom Wrath/Cata WoW was too hard so they ran back to vanilla. And they STILL full clear. The dumbest dad gamers waltz through Naxx every week with no problemAnd btw targeting the wrong mob is a mechanical issue, not strategy. The "strategy" is always just hit the mob the tank is hitting, which has the depth of a puddle. And mechanically, you just use a targetoftarget or assist function and you literally cant fuck that up, so theres nothing there either.
>>719679102I was talking about world mobs retard.
>>719680178but world mobs arent relevant, because in classic you spellcleave dungeons to level and in retail youre running m+ to gearOne of these is a joke, the other has actual mechanics
>>719680251M+ is an autism daycare
>>719681308do you know where you are right now?
