You can't debunk this. If video games are art, then they should also be political, and be judged based on their politics.
>>719627148I agree.That's why when I see lgbt shit in the game, I judge accordingly.
>>719627148No one's stopping you from making a shitty political game. I'm just not gonna play it and you will go broke.
>>719627148yeah everything is politicalthat's not the problem with anita
SEX with Anita while she eats popcorn
>>719627148not all art is political but yes as the image says they should be subject to criticismalso some games are political so those should meet your standards of artsaged
>>719627237I wonder what kind of games she plays sometimes. Who knows, she might have good taste.
>>719627148Art should not be political. Art should be a celebration of beauty. Not shit in a can.
>>719627221>you will go brokeTell that to Robert "Toby" Fox...
Even Mario is political
>>719627148>critical analysislolmore like fifth column agitproptankies deserve the rope by the way ;)
>>719627148Me(calm and collected): ok Anita whats your criticismAnita (angry wojak): uh uhm, I should be able to see batmans butt and you shouldn't be rewarded for killing strippers in hitman(even doe you get minus points for it and it becomes more ass to finish the level because someone might detect your civilian kill)!
>>719627148@grok debunk him
why should art be political? some of our greatest art pieces call upon greater things than simple politics. and yes, video games are art and their primary medium is interaction.
>>719627148You should marry yourself instead.
>>719627148>video games are not artCorrect.Then the rest of this retarded chain of logic crumbles.They're still trying to shove in control through the back end by titilating midwits who couldn't cut it in real art and instead settled for digital toys as their medium by suggesting that toys are "art" and thus giving them something resembling "respect" and "cred" in the art world.Again and again, the useful midwit idiots who can't do shit are the ones who end up sabotaging the whole thing at the behest of people with agendas, in this case, social engineering and propaganda.
What was his political statement?
>>719627493mutt said something on twitter the artist did not like, so the artist painted his name on a urinal to clap back at him.
>>719627298It can be beautiful and it can be political in grotesque. Grow up.
>>719627456Ahahaha, now this is a new one. So instead of admitting you were wrong, you now decide to strike back against video games and push harmful perspectives that might hurt the industry?
>>719627493>le Great War means le world le badEarly 20th-century subversive demoralization, basically. They've learned a lot lesson since then, and now their demoralization can at least sometimes pass for good art, like Robert Fox's creations...
>>719627418>people dressed up in the best costumes from brides, divorce lawyer>>divorce lawyerslmaonot even her fantasy marriage with herself was free from divorce rape stay away from feminists the pussy ain't worth it brothers and you can't fix her
>>719627148>You can't debunk this.Refuting specific critique doesn't mean opposing the concept in general.
>>719627723>DUDE WAR IS COOL AND SHITlol
>>719627696if it’s for profit, it’s not art. sinple as.
>>719627148>video games are not artcorrect
>>719627810So by that logic, 90% of movies are not art?
a clueless out of touch boomer that's played fuck all games is not qualified to determine whether they're arta woman of the same qualities in not qualified to critique them, whether they're art or not
>>719627360This is true.
>>719627807>war is a necessary moment in which two groups of elites relieve their mutual animosity, ending in the radical change in one or another's political leadershipFixed.
>>719627148
>>719627810So the entirety of western cultural canon is not art?
>>719627148"Serious critical analysis" means it needs to appeal to my specific political views or its a bad game, btw
>>719627947Pretty much how I feel too.
>>719627148>This picture is art right?>Yes?>So it should therefore be subject to serious critical analysis like any other artistic medium>Uh, sure, I guess?>Haha! Got ya! Now you have to admit its corrupting men into diligent pigs and running socienty and bringing back the nazi party
>>719627456>>719627834Chuds will literally try to destroy video games and all the work people have done to get them acknowledged as an art form, then to admit they're also political.
>>719627148If you let woman talk you end up with the UKs internet. Wouldn't smash the pc if it was a male.
>>719627942>>war is a necessary moment in which two groups of elites relieve their mutual animosity by mass murdering the proletariat (you)
>>719627989recognizing that a game you play isn't art doesn't destroy video games, retard
>>719627942Not at all. War happens when two parties come to a disagreement of what the outcome would be when they were to fight over resources.
>>719628028>the proletariatI'm sorry, I wasn't aware I entered the local daycare.
>>719627942lol ok bro have fun here's your prize
>>719627872>also gross...>y-you can't just say "perchance"!!!>??????>WHY ARE YOU SAYING THIS
>>719627148If video games are art then naked characters of all ages should not be censored
>>719627947>>719627983This is still a bad stance. You don't say "not all of them are bad!", which is exactly what that sounds like. You're still working under their framework. You've let them set the rules before you've even responded.
>>719628067>ooooh yess massa please let me get my legs blown off and get disemboweled over your international power struggleHello, niggercattle.
Her "serious critical analysis": video game girls who are prettier than me are...LE BAD!You left that part out of your picture. No need to thank me.
Art is subjective so it shouldn't be subject to serious criticism
>>719628061So, if I'm reading this right, "War is when two parties disagree over the outcome of a potential war." If that's not what you meant, you may need to re-phrase. If it is, allow me to laugh.>>719628197>niggercattleNo, I'm not part of the controlled opposition that the Ruling Elite calls "Communism."
>>719628268Almost"War HAPPENS when two parties disagree over the outcome of a potential war"There's not much past that. Look up crisis bargaining theory if you want to learn more.
This entire dialogue must be scrapped and we must begin again with defining what is "art"
Imagine holding Anita in your arms and gently thrusting your cock into her pussyThat would totally own her
>>719628268>the rich ruling class totally cares about me and has my interests at heat, honest!Is jewish cock kosher? The way you gobble it up, I'd wager yes.
>>719628591>you don't support the controlled opposition?>you must support no opposition at all!Again, sorry for not realizing this was the daycare.
>>719627148>Should be subject to serious critical analysisYeah, okay I agree. That doesn't mean any given analysis is worth a shit, including yours. No, most of it is worthless. If someone made a thesis on the works of Tolkien, citing text from his books, recorded quotes and letters written by the man himself while also taking his background into account and you claim that's just as valuable as some random on twitter saying "Frodo and Sam are gay" then you can piss off. You can give your "critical analysis" all you want, just don't expect it to be taken seriously if it's some baseless shit. Which these days it mostly is.
>>719627221they get their money upfront from taxpayers so are immune to market forces.People are paying for proganda used against them.
>>719627148she doesn't say anything about critical analysis, she just wants woke shit in gameswhen you force something then it's not art anymore
>>719628821>she just wants woke shit in gamesAny photos with her and Robert "Toby" Fox?
>>719627696This isn't new. This has been argued by half the posters on these sorts of threads for fucking years, but no one who agrees with OP ever replies to them. (You) actually responding to it is definitely something new, I'll give you that. >>719627989How does recognizing something isn't art cause it to "destroy the work"? That's like saying not recognizing manual labor as an artform means that the work is pointless.Art doesn't automatically ascribe meaning to your actions.
>>719627319Mr Fox as cute monster girls
>>719628631>I don't agree with marx, therefore I will deny the fact that I am a part of a social class that only exists to be exploited for its labour and is nothing more than cattle>I will also glamorise war>but I am totally the opposition!mmmm, jewish cummies, yummy yummy in your tummy.
>>719629173>He says thats when Marx and comunism are jewish
>>719627148*claims that Hitman rewards you for killing random strippers*
>>719629242How does that change the blatant fact that you are part of a social class that only exists to be exploited for its labour and is nothing more than cattle? Marx also believed in breathing air. Go ahead and suffocate yourself.
>>719627319Toby only got lucky due to the zeitgeist at the time and the fact that it was one of the only games tumblr actually bought that they shilled (the other one was life is strange but that went downhill quick) eitherways nobody gives a shit about the second game and everyone hates the community
>>719629159>monster girlsSpank material for in-denial zoophiles, got it.>>719629173>>I will also glamorise [sic] warGiving a realistic reason for its existence is not glamorizing it. You'd know that, of course, if you graduated adolescence, or even daycare.>>719629352>[Robert] only got lucky due to the zeitgeist at the timeYes, the "Gamers Are Dead" zeitgeist, which gamers themselves only pretended to fight against, and have been pretending they won ever since.
>>719629173but I'm not part of the proletariat. That's what you retards don't understand. You think 95% of society is minimum wage retards with no future but the reality is you're more like 20-30% and the rest of us aren't particularly eager to burn down society just because you fucked up every other chance at upward mobility you had in your life
>>719627148I reject feminist arguments as nonsense by default.
It is entirely in keeping with the whole spirit of totalitarianism that it condemns any human activity done for its own sake and without ulterior purpose.Science for science' sake, art for art's sake, are equally abhorrent to our totalitarian intellectuals.*Every* activity must derive its justification from a conscious social purpose. There must be no spontaneous, unguided activity, because it might produce results which cannot be foreseen and for which the plan does not provide.It might produce something new, undreamt of in the thinking of the planner.The principle extends even to games and amusements. I leave it to the reader to guess whether it was Germany or in Russia where chess-players were officially exhorted that "we must finish once and for all with the neutrality of chess. We must condemn once and for all the formula 'chess for the sake of chess' like the formula 'art for art's sake'."
>>719627148Only normalfaggots care whether or not games are considered art
>>719627148Video games aren't art.
>>719627148Stop grifting gamers. It's rightoids that are killing gaming.
>>719627148"that's heckin sexist sweetie, donate to my patreon" isn't serious critical analysis.
>>719627148>serious critical analysis>Anita Sarkeesian
>>719627807yeah killing shit is cool
>>719630198>There must be no spontaneous, unguided activity, because it might produce results which cannot be foreseen and for which the plan does not provideDon't worry; when the AI surveillance state is complete, nothing will be unforeseen. Arguably, with Palantir now active, we're already there...
Both of those statements are correct. What is incorrect is the implication that art is inherently political.
>>719630585the only thing A.I. can do is simulate.What it does is, by definition, meaningless.It has no ability to plan anything.It definitionally takes on a cartesian stance, and therefor all of its activities are innately meaningless.It does not have the ability to be entrepreneurial. It only operates with a fixed set of parameters - albeit A LOT of parameters.
one of the few times i agree with anita
>>719630963Anita Sarkeesian did literally nothing wrong. Virtually everything you see about her on /v/ is a massive strawman.
>>719629304>those lipsMADE for chudcel cock
Anita is a damsel in distress.
>>719631107She had shit takes and pushed her feminist agenda into dev culture. She wasn't wrong for being an activist, but the results were negative and too sweeping.
>>719627148Ebert was right. Video games are quite clearly digital toys.
>>719627418So basically, she got married and lied about it on her social media? Oh Anita, you lying cuntbag!
>>719630914I never said anything about AI being conscious.
>>719627148ebert's favorite game was cosmology of kyoto.he has more gamer cred than 99% of /v/ posters.
>>719631107Some cases in point:>>719629304Anita did not say this. She said that Hitman chose to set a level in a strip club with plenty of opportunity to ogle the strippers backstage and even great opportunities to catch some alone and take them out so you can ragdoll them. She didn't bring the scoring system into it - although it should be noted that hiding the body negates the score penalty. >>719628217I won't even dignify this one with a response>>719627947Anita has gone on record to say that criticising everything as racist and sexist is a mistake for overzealous amateurs and that serious critics pick their battles (this was heavily quotemined to have her say "everything is racist and sexist"). She also asked for only a moderate sum to finance her youtube video and expanded the scope after the response was overwhelming.To say nothing of Thunderfoot's embarrassing attempt at literary criticism.
>>719631336And I'm saying that is precisely why A.I. cannot handle this.To claim "nothing is unforseen" is to invoke a Laplacian demon.The one thing it *cannot* see is conscious, meaningful choices.i.e. humans with meaningful activities going about their business. A.I. cannot understand; it can only follow an algorithm. A ruleset.So what it cannot "foresee" is future developments of society.That requires an entrepreneur.I know you're evoking a communist social credit concern.I'm saying that, even with that system (which needs to be squashed wherever it crops up), social planners cannot plan anything.
>>719627148Art shows naked children so games should too then
>>719628116>>719631843Why is /v/ so Republican
>>719631948I take no stance in the political theatre I simply speak the truth
>>719631793>A.I. cannot understand; it can only follow an algorithm. A ruleset.It can also learn, and see patterns that humans cannot.
>>719627148>You can't debunk thisvideo games are art but not serious art
>>719627148You can easily bitch didn't say anything worth saying.
>>719631107>Anita Sarkeesianhttps://youtu.be/zetAt5nsf-U?t=81
>>719628061The vast majority of wars historically have not been over resources. Political disagreements between two sides who cannot come to terms by any other possible means then resort to extreme force is what 90% of wars are.
>>719633195But what are the disagreements about?
>>719627148>all art must be inherently politicalit can not be overstated how much damage Marx did to western civilization, the only way out at this point is to legalize the killing of anyone who even remotely believes his ideals
>>719631526Hi Anita!When are you getting married for real?
>>719628763>every box art is the sameOkay, this shit is AI.
>>719631526Hey Anita, how was your fake wedding?
>>719627148>You can't debunk this. If video games are art, then...>"You can't debunk this.">"If... then..."Then videogames aren't art.It's been explained time and time again and I argued in this way previously on /v/ to many baffled /v/tards. Videogames can't be art, they're not included in the definition of art, and you can't change the definition of art however it suits you (that's not what serious people do). If we're being serious, this thread is shit and OP slurps cum by the bucket.
>>719633740>definitions never change or adapt to the world as the world changesyou are genuinely retarded.
>>719627148What feminists do isn't critical analysis. They attempt to twist everything through hypocrisy and pearl-clutching to suit their brainrotted gender war ideology.
>>719627148What is art anyway?
>>719627418>married herself for her 40th birthday and immediately called divorce lawyersLmao can't make this up
>>719627148Why should any medium be subject to critical analysis?
>>719628763I feel like South of Midnight, Eternal Strands, and Immortals of Aveum qualify here for some reason
>>719627418makes you wonder what the wedding night looked like
>>719627148Of course they can be subject to critical analysis, however her analysis was loaded from the beginning. The only way her criticism makes sense is if you inherently believe that a woman being a damsel in distress is a negative thing.
>>719633954Sex with all 3
>>719627148But modern critical analysis is bullshit, and one of the major reasons why is because it so heavily focuses on politics (and only approved leftist political views are allowed.)
Anita owns me sex
>>719631526>players are meant to deride a perverse pleasure from desecrating the bodies of unsuspecting female Both a lie and a lie by omission. The player isn’t “meant” to do something that there is no reward for. Saying you’re meant to do something implies that the game rewards you for it, it can mean nothing else. The lie by omission is that you can “desecrate” the bodies of male victims just as easily. Nice try, simp.
Uooooooh Anita sexo
>>719627148not all art is political. political art exists, but it’s not all art.
>>719628197Thankfully we have a country where there's no draft and enlistment is voluntary.
>>719627148Only immersionfags and casuals worry about games being art.
>>719627148This meme makes no sense.Games are not art, but the bitch above ignore games, meanwhile the bitch below wants to gentrify the hobby.Try to spot the difference
>>719631526I unironically believe this is actually Anita looking for some kind of new angle for her bullshit here and you can't convince me otherwise.She probably started the thread
Video games aren't art, but they have art inside of them.
>>719633740The biggest problem with the "videogames are art" argument is that it relies on an all too lofty and exaggerated definition of what "art" is. The presence or lack of a deeper meaning or significance or the ability to evoke emotion are usually the focal point of why games can or cannot be art, but if you were to apply this same definition to paintings or sculptures, you could easily bring some of the most famous pieces into the same realm of questioning, such as the Mona Lisa.
>>719634485This. They are a skill gated art gallery Like if you had to complete the American Nija Warrior course just to get in to the Lourve
>>719627148It would've been better if that meme used someone other than Anita Sarkeesian. She hasn't been relevant in over a decade, and gaming critique, woke or otherwise, has changed a lot over the years, so her criticisms are pretty bad nowadays
Anita ToT
>>719627989Nobody wanted these invaders to make that effortNobody wants their recognitionGames are worse for that
>>719633975Eternal strands was disappointing, it gives you so many movement options but then doesn’t allow you to experiment with any of it.
>>719631526> chose to set a level in a strip club with plenty of opportunity to ogle the strippers backstage and even great opportunities to catch some alone and take them out so you can ragdoll themA piece of paper lets you draw underage characters naked. It “gives you great opportunities” to do so because it’s something you can do, therefore you are MEANT to do it, right?
>>719627319Can you consider undertale and deltarune political?Sure there are lesbians but they aren't put on a pedestal.
>>719633507>>719633585>>719634484copePretty damn telling that you don't even bother to respond substantially and instead resort to half-joking conspiracy theories.>>719634307You are being deliberately obtuse by pretending the game is limited to "number go up" and that the aesthetics of the strip club weren't deliberately chosen by male developers for a presumed male audience. What you're "intended" or "expected" to do does, in fact, go well beyond points.
>>719634636she'll swing right when she accidentally goes viral again for something like this pic and realises she can get asmon views and money
>>719634701Can I ask you, genuinely, if you think this is a real, good argument? Be honest.
>>719627148She wanted censorship you retarded faggot. Ebert did not. Time to kill yourself.
>>719633740>should inspire, should challenge or move us to rethink ourselves, our relationships, or our world; and in so doing, to become betterI can think of one video game that inspired me to become a better man...
>>719634940See>>719634636
>>719634817>half-joking conspiracy theories.>it's okay when *we* do it!you are a joke.
>>719634958Yes, super Mario bros
>>719627989Video games aren't art in themselves. The worst kinds of video games try to be art anyway. The best kinds of video games use the interactivity of the medium to allow the player to express themselves and create art in their own way.
>>719634817Holy fuck it's her. Who the fuck comes to fucking 4chan of all places to simp for fucking Anita talking points 13 years later? Hey Ms Sarkeesian, I want Mattel to give Ken (of Barbie fame) some combat fatigues and an M-16 I don't feel included as a veteran that likes BarbiesLol fuck outta here
>>719634958GOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOODSWE
>>719635017>Irrelevant cunt searching more money by slightly switching her tuneslmaoAnd I bet she would only support leftist approved porn
>>719633826No U.This is philosophy not the Urban Dictionary.>the defintion of art changed or adapted to the world as the world changedSource? I'm trying the hardest to find any evidence of a semantic change of art on Internet. Sounds like you're full of shit. I'm even inclined to believe you're a dirty motherfucker because relativism or sophistry is the way of the grifters.>>719634532Yes, this is almost an ethical problem. Interestingly enough, I was able to find a paper on the existence of neurological pathways for the perception of art in present times (with photos and paintings) but nothing that would suggest redefining art as a concept, just that different people process art differently.People mess with forces beyond their understanding.
>>719627872Should've gotten a C for accurately quoting Kant, lol.
>>719634940>She wanted censorshipCan you quote her on that? Or are you relying on strawmen and stereotypes?
>>719634636>Censorship is bad when we're not the ones doing it!
>>719635021What are you even referring to>>719635072You're still obsessing over Anita 13 years later, why can't I weigh in on the conversation?
>>719635242>greentext quotes>isnt a quote>I never said itim not going to participate in your shadowboxing ritual, nigger.you are being retarded for pretending definitions cant change as new things emergeyou are a cowardly faggot for deflecting that point with a strawman
>>719635242Dumb nigger, no one said thatpoint being made was definitions change over time as the world changes. so do laws. so does words.we didnt have the internet in 1856 but that doesnt stop laws or definitions of that day adapting to a post internet world.come on anon, youre not even trying
>>719635336>You're still obsessing over Anita 13 years later, why can't I weigh in on the conversation?"N-no y-you"LolSorry you got found out sweet cheeks, you didn't write a wall of text this time verbatim spewing her nonsense, don't expect you to reply and just bail at this point. Wouldn't blame you tbqhwy Anita-chan. Just start right wing grifting if you want to be relevant and make money again buttercup
>>719635336>What are you even referring toNope. Still can't see past your own nose.The left still can't meme.
>>719634769>is made in the wake of the "Gamers Are Dead" campaign>is about making "friends" with literal monsters, the King of which wants to collect your character's soul for a nefarious purpose>the character itself is an intentionally-blank tabula rasa, right down to being "genderless">the message is, again, about how the monsters deserve empathy and respect, while using post-modernist meta-faggotry to intentionally disintegrate the line between reality and fictionYes, it is a work of oikophobic, post-modernist ideological subversion; and its success is the first victory flag of the gaming hobby and industry being colonized (could also be described as "infected") by oikophobic, post-modernist ideological subversives, just like Robert "Toby" Fox.
>>719633740I don't understand, by the definition in your image, the overwhelming majority of stuff in the museum isn't art.
>>719630914Genuinely curious, I see human activities equally as meaningless. Why couldn't an a.i reach the same level?
>>719635756nta but who even remembers shit like that 13 years later.
>>719627148The bottom doesn’t believe games are art either, but a vehicle to spread propaganda. She ended up being the more correct of the two because she managed to make that happen.
>>719635634>outdated chud wojak>replies specifically triggered from anti Anita posts>Trump outta nowhere >Colbert tier talking pointsJust post a selfish with a timestamp Anita. You might go slightly viral again
>>719635756>"N-no y-you"But... that's literally you though. You were doing it. I come along and do the same. "Why are you doing that? Are you obsessed?"You can't just acknowledge my objective points, either. To you, this is clearly personal.
>>719627148By critical analysis they just mean Jewish subversion
>>719635805Wtf is oikophobicGenuine question
>>719634023
>>719635778I've honestly no idea what you're referring to but have fun tilting at windmills.
>Woman see sexism in a game and doesn't like it>Heh grow up whore not everything is for you stop complaining>/v/ see a black person or a woman he doesn't personally find attractive or a character who isn't just a boring generic straight while male in a game>BAN THIS NOW!
>>719627493Shitposting before the internet
>>719635805>the "Gamers Are Dead" campaignlmaoThat wasn't a real thing.You mean in the wake of gamergate
Who the fuck says art has to be political?
>>719627987>exposed hair tempting young men with lustful desires>hint of boob cleavage corrupting our youth's innocence>ungloved hands tempting our children into raging boners that cause them to go on murder sprees just to jack it to disembodied handsda Vinci truly was a degenerate
How many times has OP spammed this thread? A thousand? Why are there so many insane subhumans here?
>>719628028The elites got hit just as hard during WW1 because that was when we still had a proper warrior noble class that fully expected to lead the masses into war like proper gentlemen…and they died in droves in the trenches along with them. That’s how we have so many limp dicked bean counters running government who think changing a line on a graph somehow changes reality. You can thank Marx for that one, he is one of those limp dicked faggot bean counters. He just never had any beans because he was bad with money and hated the people who were.
>>719636136Nobody can even define what "art" is because there's always something they personally don't like which totally doesn't count
>>719636102>That wasn't a real thing.I think I'm going to believe my own two eyes over your lies.
>>719636136Yeah, OP is pulling a sneaky on ya
Anita is based cope AND seethe!
>>719635991>two anons shitposting is "personal" somehowOnly if one of them is named Anita Sarkeesian. For it's Tuesday (ironically and literally)There's no need to go over your tired and outdated points. They've been thoroughly debunked here with effortposts and censored everywhere else these BTFO counterpoints get posted. So there's little left to discuss, other than where is my Ken doll with his own tank and paratrooper gear?
>>719636000"Oikos" is Greek for "home," or "the familiar," just like "xenos" is for "the unfamiliar." If you can do basic extrapolation, the rest should be easy to figure out. If not, then please, there's probably a Gacha thread in the catalog that would welcome you with open arms.>>719636102>You mean in the wake of gamergateYes, that thing gamers lost and have been pretending to win ever since. Wow, deja vu...
>>719636216You mean you're going to believe a conspiracy narrative over common sense because you're a rage addict. I know the evidence you have, and the incredible leaps in logic required to reach your conclusion.
>>719636290>t.Anita
I do not fucking care. I just want to be entertained.
>>719636082I see /v/ freak out and complain, sure, but I have basically never seen /v/ say a game should be banned.That is the big difference, isn't it?"I don't like this, I'll be very vocal about how I don't like this and definitely won't buy it, and recommend other don't buy it as well"vs"I don't like this, therefore it should not be allowed to exist"are two very different positions to hold.If video games are art, then they are a form of political expression and can be criticized on that level. But political expression is a form of speech that can't be silenced in a free country.
>>719636292>two anons shitposting is "personal" somehowI say it looks personal because I'm all like >this point of yours is wrong for x and y reasonsand then you respond with>Nice try Anita! I know it's you! You want her attention or something? Is that why you're still doing this?
>>719636304I was just askingNo need to be rude I agree with your previous posts
>>719635357>>719635620This is a thread about videogames and art, you were not proving any point you just baited like a faggot with literally meaningless bullshit. Just leave the thread and go back to jorking it or whatever you were doing before.>>719635816>in the museumIn which museum?Examples of not art in museums?I don't understand how you don't understand either sorry.To explain the point further, in the simplest terms: art is the thing by which aesthetic feelings are experienced, minus the interactivity. On top of that, the writer of the blog post mentions how games are primarily a marketed product which I personally didn't acknowledge before.Or you're mistaking the entry fee of a museum with a business endeavor, which it is not.I'm not sure man, it's a skill issue on your part.>>719636210Art is the medium by which aesthetic feelings are experienced. Aesthetic feelings are the perception of beauty as the representation of perfection. Perfection means you can't touch this shit.
>>719627418>Enemy's fate is so bad you end up pitying them.
Bunch of brainlets ITT never touched a philosophy book in their life except maybe Mein Kampf.
>>719636345They planned it, they admitted it, we have the logs, we have the receipts.Even before we had them it was obvious - how else do you explain dozens of different outlets with dozens of different writers all releasing the same piece with the same talking points and lies on the same day?
>>719627148Video games CAN be art, but not all video games are art. Art CAN be political, but not all art is political. Just because A can be B, and B can be C, does not mean A is always C, nor does it even guarantee that A can be C.Basic logic, not that I'd expect a woman to understand.
>>719636430When did she call for a game to be banned you lying chud?How do you people just make up shit with no sense of shame?
>>719636747>How do you people just make up shit with no sense of shame?I want to know too. It's the reason why society is going in the shitter not the antifa woke mob.
>>719636436>You want her attention or something? Is that why you're still doing this?Because it's easy as fuck to spit tourists from their posting style and content. Re:(you)So you're either a redditor that has to defend Anita's honour over a decade later, which I find unlikely as even the most hard core feminist frequency fags have moved on or think 4chan will give them incurable "ick"ORyou're actually Anita attention whoring and doing some "research" for some upcoming Youtube video on "sexism in gaming still alive in 4chans deplorable video game subreddit"The former is more unlikely in the year of our lord 2025 tbqhwy Just timestamp and "AMA" at this point
>>719636747She specifically advocated for restrictions on video games that feature violence against women. Which is a ban of those games.
>>719636290Anon, her business model is to be a professional seether who bitches loudly about things only she cares about. She then blackmails companies with this so that they don't get dogpiled by the media who happen to agree with her seething.It's a very effective strategy for personal gain.
>>719627148>Video games are artCorrect. All expressions of human creativity is art, from marble sculptures and snazzy chapels to childrens' scribbles to reality TV. That doesn't mean all art is good or worth looking at, though.>Subject to critical analysisIf you mean looking at it based on craftsmanship and design? That's always been done.But no "modern art" is subject to criticism. It's all upper middle class liberals jerking each other off. And classical art has always been old=good. Any anime chick on a floating city on pixiv fantasia is objectively a hundred times more technically skillful than the Mona Lisa.Video games are uniquely subject to "criticism" in the form of "this objectifies women therefore it sucks" in a way no other art form is. Because, naturally, gamers are the most oppressed group of people.
>>719636478>minus the interactivityWhere is that stated? Where does it say 'it's not art if you can interact with it'? And if that's the case, does that mean that installation art that people can interact with like pic related is not art?
>>719634817Didn’t read because you failed here:>>719634882Not an argument. You have no rebuttal. Your claim that someone is “meant” to do something because they’re able to is obliterated by the fact that you’re able to do whatever you want with a piece of paper but that doesn’t mean you’re “meant” to do something specific. You avoided engaging with this fact because you have no answer. All future responses will be met with the word “paper”, since that’s all that is needed to utterly rape you.
>>719636678MK is all you need
>>719636747The part where she made objective statements that included removing "the male gaze" over fictional women because it would somehow equate to objectifying real women. She then followed this up by getting hired INTO said industry to enact her bans on content she didn't like.
Anita makes my benis twitch and I dunno why.
She won.
>>719631526Being able to ragdoll people in video games is fun. Being able to ogle strippers is fun. Being able to ragdoll strippers marries two fun things together. How is something worthy of note?
>>719636964Correct, Mortal Kombat is so good you don't need any other fighting games.
>>719636697>They planned it, they admitted it, we have the logs, we have the receipts.You literally don't though lmaoAnd that's the jokeYou have access to a dump of the entire mailing list where they supposedly planned it and you found nothingIt's literally not even unproven, it's disproven>how else do you explain dozens of different outlets with dozens of different writers all releasing the same piece with the same talking points and lies on the same day?By that being entirely untrue.It was two or three articles with a similar viewpoint - inspired by the, at that time, weeks-long raging outrage - which were then picked up and reblogged by a handful of others over the course of the following week. Yeah, no shit an article saying "go read this article about the ongoing controversy" is saying the same thing as the article it links to. But it's not adding anything.Basically, you're baffled by journos having RSS feeds and your one-track mind immediately jumped to "this is proof of a conspiracy"Nigga you even know they all hold similar views, that was one of your gripes>Nooo this is literally only possible through careful coordination!What would've even been the point? You don't even have an answer for that.
>>719627148>if videogames are art, they should be woke propaganda
>>719637047I mean, maybe the story modes
>>719634636>John F Trentahh... so we're in one of HIS threads.
>>719636867He's a troll who spouts opinions that he doesn't actually hold to trigger retards who can't, to this day, understand that people do that really frequently.That is the most likely scenario. I don't understand why faggots fall for this shit so often. I'm convinced its zoomers who weren't exposed to the old internet trolls and think everyone on the internet acts like they do in real life.
>It doesn't matter if the game has problematic content who encourages violence against women.*Sips*
>>719636867>Because it's easy as fuck to spit tourists from their posting style and content./v/ is not one person, deal with it. I've actually been here since 2006 but unlike you I think for myself. lol @ you still floating your "it must be Anita tricking us!" theory as a genuine option - most likely, even. You *are* obsessed, and projecting. >Pay attention to me, mommy!
>>719627148why did you edit his chin?
>>719637027When?
>>719637016Big Armenian milkers.
>>719636917You mean you failed there. You didn't answer my question. Fact is you made such a piss-poor strawman argument devoid of all logic and critical thought that I saw no reason to engage you. And here you are repeating it. I can only assume you are in earnest, then. How absolutely sad.A blank paper is not the same as a video game with content specifically put there for you to interact with hth
>>719636903>Where is that stated?see>Art is the medium by which aesthetic feelings are experienced.>Aesthetic feelings are the perception of beauty as the representation of perfection.>Perfection means you can't touch this shit.In other words art is a physical manifestation of ideal perfection. By defintion you can't do anything with it. The moment the notion of interaction with an object comes into play it ceases being art and becomes an object primarily defined by its function.For example: videogames. Their primary function is playing, therefore they're not art. Other example: a chair, nice chair, pretty artful chair, nice shape and everything, now you sit on it it ceases being art.I'm not even showing a high power level here this is the most basic platonic philosophy that's been criticised and expanded upon during more than 2000 years. But the concept remains the same. You take a literal schizo like Deleuze, he uses the exact same defintion of art to build his schizoanalysis.
>>719636985You've just got more lies then?>>719637028You're being honest, at least, but this is precisely the point, isn't it? You think it's fun to ragdoll strippers. The devs put that level in because they were thinking of you.
>>718636940>>718635681>>718635853>>718635546>He hasn't read a canticle
the less things that are considered "art", the better>t. artist
>>719636430>I see /v/ freak out and complain, sure, but I have basically never seen /v/ say a game should be banned.Many people on /v/ believe that there should be an ethnic cleansing of jews, in order to make such a problem go away.Another contingent believes there should be ethno states, in order to ensure minorities don't get hired. Because as they see it, minorities are the ones to blame for why games are bad.
Okay I'm subbing to Anita's YT to see this thread in the next video Put me in the screencap :3
Reminder all Anita haters are actually Mossad agents.Most actual /v/ users support Anita and respect women.
>>719629724>but I'm not part of the proletariatYou're not selling your labour to someone else? You own your own business?
>>719637062Bullshit, we've read the logs, we've read the articles, you come here a decade later spouting lies hoping to fool newfag zoomers who weren't around then to experience it first-hand. When the entire media is telling you the same thing, it's not news, it's propaganda.
>>719627493this is art in the same way a con artist is an artist
>>719637307Didn’t read.Paper.Rape counter: 2
>>719637382>You think it's fun to ragdoll strippers. The devs put that level in because they were thinking of you.Sounds sweet to me. I love it when developers think how their games will be enjoyable for me, or whatever target audience they want. So what's the problem exactly? Anita didn't highlight this for no reason. What was the issue she was trying to address? What is so wrong with the example she provided?
>>719634415Literally every country institutes the draft once its ruling class is in danger.
>>719637382Bitch, she was hired onto Arkane while they were working on the DLC for Dishonored as well as consulting for Dishonored 2. This is a known quantity and you're just retarded.
>>719637432>armenian woman telling others to hate the jewat least she knows her own heritage I guess. jews did the armenian genocide innit?
>>719635634>woke strokelol
>>719637409>Cleansing of jews>BadIt would improve all of society. This is a separate issue. Its also not banning games. Its more like getting rid of a cockroach infestation before making a sandwich in your kitchen to avoid the cockroaches contaminating what you're making.
>>719636903Oh yeah by the way no this is not art, there is literally a guy that lives inside this. This is a house.HOWEVER the performance of living is art. It's what's called literally "performance art", it's a modern thing.Yeah this is art, but not the installation. The concept is art. The thought of the guy living there evokes an aesthetic feeling (because of the housing market, the urban environment, etc.)
>>719636082I look like this and say this
>>719627418What's funny about this image is she has a boyfriend who can be seen in another photo from the same album if you find the original posting.
>>719635314that's what literally everyone who has ever existed thinks though
>>719636184>The elites got hit just as hard during WW1lol what the fuck are you talking about? Literally the only one that faced the consequences of playing with the lives of millions was Nicky II and his entire family. The rest got to live out comfy lives with the blood of millions on their hands.
>>719627148I agree with the top guy though. If I was an avid sportsball fan, and some turtleneck faggot told me that sportsball isn't art, is that supposed to make me mad? Surprised? Is it even supposed to make me think for a moment? No. Video games are games. Games motherfucker. The games might have art IN them. The visuals, the audio, the narrative. However, you can still have something that has basically none of those things still technically be a "video game". Because of this simple technicality, I maintain that the concept of "video games" are, by definition, not art. They may have varying degrees of art within them.
>>719637529That devs are making video games for people who want to ogle unconscious strippers>>719637570>This is a known quantitylol whatNo it's not
>>719635805>intentionally-blank tabula rasaAn intentionally-blank blank slate? Anon, I think you're a silly goose.
Women need to shut the fuck up
>>719636082>woman complain about place where she doesn't belong not being made for herVS>/v/ complain about the place where they belong being changed against their will bay people who do not belongYou are no very bright, uh?
>>719637591It's a means to an end. Not a separate issue. A contingent of /v/ wants to get rid of blacks in games. So they think that banning jews and minorities is the way you go about it.To add, they also wants Sony to move back to Japan and away from California.I doubt you'll still accept what I say, because to you "banning games" is a specific thing that I'm not addressing. But I ask you this: How does one actually go about banning games. Like what is the process? Who do they talk to in order to make the ban happen? Answering that question should give you insight to my meaning.
>>719637467>we've read the logsI know you haven't because they literally don't exist. I don't know if this is just confabulation or a straight up lie, but either way, I know what you're saying is completely impossible.>we've read the articlesThrough a biased lens, yes, and completely misrepresented them. The narrative that has since formed in your head has little to do with their actual contents.
>>719637792>That devs are making video games for people who want to ogle unconscious strippers...and...?
>>719637804Film version when?
>>719627148what's there to debunk? complaining about video games is all we do here.
>>719637508>Didn't read the response to his questionI guess you have no response, then.
>>719636894>Correct. All expressions of human creativity is art, from marble sculptures and snazzy chapels to childrens' scribbles to reality TV. That doesn't mean all art is good or worth looking at, though.If that was true, then "art" would be a meaningless word and it wouldn't exist to begin with
>>719637193>>719637193I'm not the one defending her lil broI'm not the one that is constantly (you)ing posts that calling out this apparently "retarded" theory which would otherwise be completely ignored. I fully expect some kind d of video from her or article about 4chan in the next monthNo one who's been here since 06 is this thin skinned and arguing in favour of de-male-ing a historically male hobby on the fucking board for said hobby.Where's my Ken doll with a Jeep and a rocket launcher if gender equality in hobbies is so important?
>>719635860The reasons are many, and the following will sound like a spew of info, but i'm sorry.because human activities, by their very nature of being first-personal, involves meaningful activities.a computer is a program. You can take that program and plug it into any sufficient hardware and have it run fine. You cannot do the same with a human. The computer takes a cartesian stance.Human activity takes a non-cartesian stance, therefore perception itself is drenched in meaning.it cannot be reduced to a set of mathematical equations; where all we need to do is follow the set of equations. Calculation isn't innately in nature; the Turing test is a behavioral test. Behaviorism rejects the idea that people really do have beliefs and desires; we are all just being socially conditioned by external pressures. It leads to a contradiction wherein behaviorism has to rely on the notion of beliefs/desires to explain human behavior.Simply put, you cannot derive semantics from syntax.A.I., by definition, only has syntax.Humans are creatures which have content to their thoughts, therefor engage in meaningful activities. There is a semantics to what we do. That semantics is related to our first-person perspective.On a deeper level, there is no "modelling" going on when we engage with the world. This is, in particular, dreyfus's point. It is an attack on the cognitivism of the modern era (mostly propagated by Chomsky/Fodor/Kripke - who think they can avoid the question of semantics; semantics magically pops up in sufficiently complex syntactical systems).There is a litany of tacit knowledge with every activity we do, of which cannot be formalized in any type of algorithmic system. You are always operating within some tacit knowledge system.This tacit knowledge is a network of our beliefs/skills/intuitions/traditions of which are missing from the cartesian picture.It is, roughly speaking, the social division of labor and leads to the market as a discovery process.
>>719637432I'm really enjoying Anita's new Chud arc
>>719627148>serious critical analysis>From Anita SnarkeesianI don't think so
>>719637193>been here since 06Type nigger and faggot then
>>719627148They are art, and Anita’s “critical analysis” is just bitching that they’re not propaganda, which is the exact opposite of art.
>>719637970Didn’t read.Paper.Rape counter: 3
Ok what isn't an art then? If subway surfers is art than everything is art
>>719638013>I'm not the one that is constantly (you)ing posts that calling out this apparently "retarded" theory which would otherwise be completely ignored.Bruh it was two or three people saying that directly in response to me simply because I'm disagreeing with them, and me responding to them again. >No one who's been here since 06 is this thin skinned/v/ is thin skin central and you're projecting - you're reading your own emotions into my words in the absence of non-verbal cues. I've also been consistently calling you people out on your bullshit whenever I came across it for decades, you just always cope exactly the way you do now. By implying I'm not from around here.
>Do nothing>Win
>>719627148There is no such thing as art.
>>719637795>yes, I have found the four words I need, the the exact way I should read them, to dismiss the entire text!
>>719637409Ethnically homogenous nations are the only kind of nations that work. And every ethnic group should have their own and be good neighbors>minorities are the ones to blame for why games are bad.no it's activists forcing them into devs circles and games as a political act that makes games worse. Among other things that make games worse
This is who you’re arguing with, btw. Respond to him with “Get a job, Dave.” and nothing else.
if it's shit it's not art. don't even bother trying to tell me your fucking derivative 3d indie furry mascot platformer slopvania hybrid is art. it is NOT.
>>719637792>That devs are making video games for people who want to ogle unconscious strippersand if there is a decent sized audience for that thay made the right call
>>719638310Maybe try not being retarded next time
>>719638249Marrying yourself and having no audience is winning?
>>719637870>because to you "banning games" is a specific thing that I'm not addressingThats correct>Who do they talk to in order to make the ban happen?They go to the government and say "games with this should not be made, make restrictions about this." Which has happened. Anita went to both congress and the fucking UN to say as much.Banning something is not saying "I will not buy a game with X in it" banning something is asking the government to ensure that a game with X cannot be made.
>>719638234Type nigger and faggot then redditor fully expecting a vay cation for this post because your kind loves the re port button instead
>>719637792Well now you know. This was during the big gamergate shit where people were finding out journos were an incestuous bunch of faggots who routinely made shit up and were in the pocket of the same companies they were supposed to be reviewing the games of. But that got drowned out by the whole "games hate women" thing because again, the journos only reported on what they wanted to.
>>719637616You're either full of shit or you've been hornswaggled. Nobody lives inside the cube.
>>719637206Every day.
Something I don't see a lot of people talk about anymore is not only has she been extremely vocal about how sexualization of women and damsels in distress are bad and should ultimately be "avoided", she's also criticized gun violence in video games as well and said that gun violence is toxic masculinity which reinforces and glorifies harmful male behavior. And also said pic related in the immediate aftermath of a school shooting like 10 years ago, kek. This particularly aged well now that trannies are the ones doing all the school shootings, maybe she'll turn into a TERF queen!
>>719637870>A contingent of /v/ wants to get rid of blacks in games.get rid of stuff that doesn't fit in a given setting/story, more likelyNew York 2020? there are blacksFantasy? There are no blacks and the settign is homogenuousand never never make use people who don't fit the aurepean beauty ideals or make your cast look liek a benetton spot.This is what should be normal, because it's normal. Always was, always will.contradict this and your shit is political, therefore bad
>>719638401I'm glad one instance of poor choice of phrasing is all it took for you to act like a smug cunt. Your fellow subversive ideologues would be proud...>>719638532Uh-huh, so the Wikipedia article on GamerGate is GamerGate "le winning," I see...
>>719638630Get a job, Dave.
>>719627807Killing is funWar is cool
>>719627148>!!H2VAA2HЯUhuh?
Politics is a parasitical category, it doesn't have substance of it's one, politiics happens when cultural, religious and other difference reaches high intensity.
>gave her YT channel to some other no name cunt>hasn't tweeted since 2023Is /ourgirl/ Anita okay bros?
>>719636290my wife looks cute in that suit
>>719637804I've stopped really caring about weird women fetishes like this because men have equivalents for monster girls, it's just a human trait to want to fuck monsters whether you're male or female. The only difference is women get these novels written more, it's not like the fantasy doesn't exist for men
>>719638774I accept your concession.
>>719638431The government isn't the only one with the authority to ban a thing. As we are seeing with the recent payment processor issues.A ban can happen on many different levels of authority. By anyone who has the ability to control what you have access to. For example, Game Stop doesn't carry Adult games. (Rated A using the ESRB age rating) This effectively means that adult games are "banned" from Game Stop. What is to stop someone like Anita with enough influence to go around to other storefronts and convince them to ban Adult rated games from their stores?This is essentially what /v/ desires to do. By controlling the hire institutions, they can control what content is allowed to be produced and sold.
>>719638603That's just plain racism.
>>719627456Then stop shitting your diaper whenever a game gets censored. It's not art and it doesn't deserve respect.
>>719638310More so pointing out that you're a retard not necessarily disagreeing with your points.
>>719639260>>719638630
>>719627604Shut the fuck up faggot.
>>719638563>violence is le wrong>ack, dies violently like everyone elseGods are just.
>>719639125Get a job, Dave.
>>719639289Get a job, Dave.
>>719639398>>719639467So that one post about a literal who is now your justification for dismissal, correct? I had no idea how right I was when I said I accidentally stepped into a daycare earlier in this thread...
>>719639227No that's normality. And how things work. Always was, and always will.Normality being le racism was invented by activists
>>719638563>NOOOOTICING "Patterns">Then (((patterns)))Anita to Chud timeline is real folks
>>719629352Are we still going to pretend that Sans isn't one of the most iconic characters in the industry
>>719639250Product is for an audience, and audience is always right.Compromise the product and you have a big problem.you don't have to respect le art, yo uhave to respect my wallet enough for me to want to open it
>>719639674Until he gets in a commercial like Freddy Fazbear did.
>>719639674If you birth year begins with a 2Otherwise fuck no lol
>>719639674>that green dog robot from the Nickelodeon cartoon that girls all far too old for it love>combined with the demeanor of a worthless, lazy, good-for-nothing, PSA-for-cannabis-criminalization stoner>iconicI concur with >>719639789.
>>719639568Get a job, Dave.
Woke is going to be looked at like the hippie movement from the 60sFailed, irrelevant within 10 years and has the odd burnout still clinging to it, like our friend itt
>>719634769>Can you consider undertale and deltarune political?Undertranny is a tranny enabling game no matter how you look at it. It's just subtle In deltatroon he went all in, it's disgusting to play, it's an actual faggot-lesbian-tranny fiesta>we have a fat disabled lesbian furry!>be yourself (transition!)Holy shit, you have to be blind not to notice
*kills the male feminist’s argument*Boo.
>>719639940No, the hippie movement was violently opposed by the Establishment, and rightfully so. Woke has been embraced by it, ever since they started calling it "Social Justice."
>>719639948can you translate this tranny obsessed mental illness into english?
>>719637432This. You can side with the Jews and disgusting creeps like Harvey Weinstein who wouldn't let ugly women break into Hollywood. Or you can side with Anita and the leftists and fight for equity, diversity, and genocide of the Jews.
>>719640007THAT PAPER IS 1500 YEARS OLD YOU SICK FUCK
>>719634769He is doing pic related. Don't take him seriously.
>>719631526Hitman absolution had a contract mode when you can make every npc in the level a target to assassinate
>>719637380>The moment the notion of interaction with an object comes into play it ceases being art and becomes an object primarily defined by its function.So the Alamo isn't art because people can turn it? Sleep No More isn't art because it involves audience participation? 'Installation art' is a misnomer?> a chair, nice chair, pretty artful chair, nice shape and everything, now you sit on it it ceases being art.John Ruskin would heartily disagree with you, and unlike Deleuze he wasn't a schizo, he was the greatest art critic of his generation.
>>719640193>He is doing pic relatedExplain how I am.
>>719635805>collect your character's soul for a nefarious purposenext you're going to say that Monster Hunter is political because we collect monster parts to use in equipment we use to kill more monsters
>>719640147I'll just genociding jews thanksKeep all that faggot shit
>>719640193>Games were always political>Having themes in your game is politicalI really, truly, hate Gramsci and his affect on media at large. Now we have to deal with faggots like that guy making anything and everything political regardless of how it actually equates to the media itself.
>>719627947You might think that you're being smart, but all you are doing is going "Sharkkezian is only right most of the time".
>>719627148Me on the right
>>719640290"People" already consider monhun as an allegory for huwait colonialism It's fucking retarded
>>719627148Yes we need to remake the mona lisa but make her a black tranny
>>719631526Anon, her entire grift is saying that EVERYTHING is racist and/or sexist and then selling her services to companies as a consultant to not be those things. She has a financial incentive to do both of those things and has become quite wealthy doing the exact opposite of what you said she's doing.
>>719639657You can't be older than 17 and actually believe that fantasy should be homogeneous. If you actually read old fantasy stories, then you would know they often featured people of different ethnicities existing within the same space. I just finished the "Magician" books by Raymond E. Feist. It came out in 1982. That was before even I was born. And it features a kingdom that is surrounded by nations of different races. The main antagonists are actually a feudal Asian inspired kingdom that crosses over a spacial rift to invade them. The war drags on for years, and prisoners of war are turned into servants and even given new lives in the kingdom they were once attempting to invade. A contingent of the invaders are left behind, and become settlers within the kingdom's boundary. Thus, as the years go on, these two people become more and more integrated, sharing cultures.Half of the books take place on the other side of the rift. As some of the kingdom's people get taken as slaves on the invader's side, and live there for years.Of course you would know this already if you actually read fantasy, instead of pretending to be a fan of the genre in order to build up a false sense of authority.
>>719640290Are the monsters in Monster Hunter metaphors for anything but monsters?>>719640416I bet Robert Fox would agree with that...
Vidya Gaems are for White and Asian males, sometimes with autism EVERYBODY ELSE OUTREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE
>>719640292Another Anita lover. Disgusting how this site has fallen.
>>719640193The irony of this image, is that Raiden was made explicitly to challenge the concept of traditional masculinity.
>>719640505Of course there's black people in fantasy They're the orcs
>>719640173Why would the paper make me do this??>>719640193
>>719640505So ethnostates not token inserts Got it
>>719640505Get a job, Dave.
>>719640678I thought orcs were inspired by the mongols. That's the narrative by all the chuds, whenever the left points out that orcs are racists against blacks.
>>719640509>Are the monsters in Monster Hunter metaphors for anything but monsters?some are intelligent and resent that they are killed for materials. they say that the hunter is only called to take care of problematic monsters, but missions also give silly reasons to go and murder animals and disrupt the ecosystem
>>719640678Excuse me??? Orcs are Mexican now bigot!!!
>>719640627She can help me gas em but she's in the chamber nextReading comprehension anon
>>719635805retardthe crux of undertale/deltarune is that everyone is sapient and everything flows from thathell, he introduces actual fucking demons you cannot reason with in chapter 4 and the character that's all about being nice for the whole game up to that point triple taps a fucking zombie statue with no hesitation and has no mercy towards those evil spawns
>>719640783The left tends to equate fictional races to real peoples, hence the backlash for the Harry Potter game because goblins = Jews or some shit. Most people who aren't insane political stooges will see Orcs as Orcs and Goblins as Goblins.
>>719640789That's literally just Fatalis thoughbeit Every other month can't recognise themselves in the mirror
Pictured: Me knowing that Dave is currently typing out novels that no one will read and in response I’ll just tell him to get a job, causing him to get even angrier.Manlets are so easy to work into a tizzy.
>>719640873George Lucas was absolutely cooking with watto and jar jar tho
Surprised this thread is still up tbqhwy
>>719627148Video games can contain art but they themselves are NOT art, they are games.Look at monopoly, a game featuring many unique artistic renditions of a mustached man. The game of monopoly itself is not a piece of art, it is a game/product to be played
>>719640741No, it just took a really long time to travel, so most people didn't. But there wasn't actually any explicit law against people of different races from integrating into the kingdom. When the prisoners of war were integrated into society, it wasn't an issue of whether or not they're the correct race. But whether or not they could be trusted, or if their loyalties still lie with the land of their birth.But more so, like I said, those two different people started integrating once they settled close to each other. Within only a decade or so, there are a lot of intermingling. The story in the book spans over the decades, so we actually get to see that in the story.
>>719640873So... the orcs aren't inspired by mongols then?
>>719641196Get a job, Dave.
>>719641196There is no stronger nationalistic bond than shared haplogroupsSorry not sorry
>>719640860>the crux of undertale/deltarune is that everyone is sapient and everything flows from thatUh-huh. And why should I care about that when confronted by a Schmittian Enemy? Like the King who declares Lightners his Enemy for wishing to destroy something he considers important to his Kingdom.
>>719641278Depends on the setting, anon. It always depends on the setting. Tolkien orcs aren't 40k orcs aren't Warcraft orcs, and they definitely aren't that one French comic orcs who use chopped up wang for currency. That was a weird one.
>>719641152
>>719640783Orcs are generic evil capitalist colonizers who deplete and pollute everything they touchIn a sense they were the whites all along
>>719641362>>719641340I'm not hearing arguments. Just frustrated replies by people who can't cope with the reality that fantasy has long since mixed races.
>>719627148Okay, but shouldn't the art be judged by someone who actually played the games, instead of someone who steals let's play footage and then says things that are blatantly objectively wrong due to a complete lack of research?
Wtf bros.. I just got a typewriter and a stack of papers and wrote Mein Kampf!The typewriter gave me the opportunity to write Mein Kampf, which means I was clearly MEANT to!!Why would the typewriter do this to me??????
>>719627148IndeedAnd propagandoids and nepobabs arent capable of serious critical analysis
>>719641560Get a job, Dave.
>>719641560I know you're not hearing themYou have selective hearing when it comes to the truth The fact that "integrated" foreigners were distrusted at all btfos your argument
>>719641395because it's a fucking videogame specifically designed to put some thought as to why you're even beating things up and killing them to begin with?you're mad that a game isn't running with some generic braindead themes where your enemy is wildlife and dehumanised faceless goons?
It’s unfathomable that Dave hasn’t killed himself by now.
>>719641812Yes.Deconstruction and subversion is for DEI brainrotted AGP sufferers Real art pre-(((zion))) has always been earnest and clear cut
>>719641812>you're mad that a game isn't running with some generic braindead themes where your enemy is wildlife and dehumanised faceless goons?No, I'm mad that he's clearly aware of the Friend-Enemy Distinction and makes the Chapter Boss the only one who acknowledges it, effectively saying it's bad to do so. It's just one thing on top of many that I'm already aware of about Robert...
>>719641684The foreigners were actually initially distrusted, because their movements were mysterious. As at the time, the main characters didn't know about the rift crossing magic. They didn't understand how these people were moving about. When they convened, they concluded that their motions are similar to that of a scouting party, just before an invasion. So their initial distrust came from from their strange action, not their race.The kingdom were in fact invaders. So they went to war before even knowing who each other were. So again, distrust built upon action, not race.Also, because they ended up integrating anyway, it doesn't really matter that they initially distrusted each other. They learned how to be friendly. If the story happened to take place 2 decades later than it did, then the narrative would not include the war and all that. It would begin with a Kingdom that is mostly white, but with a large minority of Asians mixed in.
>>719642254>real art is always the same with no room for nuance and creativity whatsoever
>>719642280Get a job, Dave.
>>719642331>what do you mean a piece of shit on a plate isn’t real art?? where is the room for nuance and creativity????
>>719642271yes, enmity is based on having reasonsreasons which mooks don't have, they're either propagandised or following orderswelcome to the real world
>>719642280Okay fine your arguing in good faithThat's no fun
>>719642478>what do you mean it's ice cream too? ice cream is only allowed to be vanilla flavoured
>>719642331Left - nuance and creativity Right - your "art" with (((nuance))) and (((creativity)))Undertale and deltarune are on the right
>>719642553>equating chocolate ice cream with shitWow, I knew leftists had some weird fetishes but..
I seriously wouldn't even bother learning what you fags consider art considering the most played games here are gachas and f2p garbage like Marvel Rivals
>>719642479>enmity is based on having reasonsLike wanting to kill you, even after being made "friendly" per the game's logic, yes. >reasons which mooks don't have, they're either propagandised or following ordersAnd that applies to the King how, exactly?
>>719627723>le
>>719642331Nice strawman We know what (((you))) really mean tho
>>719640317Metal Gear literally explores geopolitics lmao
>>719642789Gachafags are just /a/ and /co/ refugee waifufags and are extremely vocal and autistic They do not represent/v/ to any significant degree
>>719642639except you want art to just be christian frescos with fucked perspective and nothing elseactual realistic paintings are harder to makegeneric clear cut fiction is on the level of those frescos, easier to make and primitive with only one theme allowed>>719642664i'm not the one that brought up a shit analogy to begin with>>719642797they're not made friendly until you spare themthe king is more powerful than other darkners and was made jaded by not being seen as usefulnot to mention that he's the king, he has a bigger ego than most and darkners are characterised by what object they really are
>>719643192Also turd worlders
>>719642868And Veilguard literally explores troon insanity lmao.
>>719643248>they're not made friendly until you spare themAnd you can't spare them until you've shown them a minimum amount of mercy. After which, they can still attack you. Brilliant...
>>719643248Actually I want rennasaince sculptures, which are neither cheaply made nor subversive kike shit and earnestly portray kino aesthetics This is where you say "beauty is subjective chud" to justify sheboon hamplanets and mentally ill cross dressers
>>719643391the act of sparing them is in fact telling them to stop fighting after planting that suggestion while filling up the mercy bar
>>719643434Forgot pic
>>719643434>kino aestheticspure displays of vanity that carry no real messageas hollow and empty as the fiction you want
>>719643562Yep expected kike answeroy fucking veyDon't appreciate traditional European virility and fertility goyYou just played yourselfYour mask was fairly well attached before this
The people who believe "everything is political" are the reason the world sucks. This mindset should be exterminated, only the weak ineffectual sub humans of the world believe this. They capitalize on morality despite being amorral and they inject themselves into everything, making society worse
>>719627148I don't need to debunk it, because your argument is a false dichotomy. You should fuck off if you're trying to force an escapist entertainment medium into one extreme or the other. Nice try though.
>>719642826I like de Kooning :)
>>719643706>ego fueled commissions by people with money and power are really interesting dude i swear
>>719643562Episode 4 of Star Wars (the og film) was so fucking well received because of the traditional heroes journey in an era of fucking hook nosed subversion of culture war due to playing both sides of the Vietnam involvement debateBut I bet you think it's boring and formulaic despite being an all time classic you fucking brainrotted (((modern male)))
>>719643991>accuses anyone of being brainrotted while bringing up star warsat least have the decency shill me tolkien you estrogenated funko pop collector
>>719628123>>719640328this makes sense only if you believe that "sexualization is inherently bad" which I do not. sexualization has its place and there's no reason a character can't be both sexy and capable or any other positive trait. saying>not all depictions are as sexualized or or problematic as you sayis the assertion that her blanket statement is not only false, but also irrelevant to those who don't hold to the standards that she has internalized.
>>719642826You do realise the only reason left exists is because extremely vain nobility wanted to have selfies in an age where the camera didn't exist and there is quite literally 0 artistic merit to it? Why do you think the popularity of these cringe portraits fell off as soon as the camera was invented?
>>719643874No argument Despite saying others had no argument earlier Yes huge chunks of marble made in the image of healthy men in women cost money, but provided morale and something to aspire to, unless like (((you)) you seethe at the mere existence of true craft and beautyThanks for the concession, I'll add it to the collection
>>719644256>left existsright exists*
>>719644182>implying I own anything post RotJ and some of the better EU novelsFunkos didn't exist when Star Wars was good and nothing you said invalidates my post about 1 of the 2 and a half good films
>>719644302you're deeply overthinking it, they were a flex of the rich and powerful and nothing else, you're just desperately virtue signalling as if having opinions on peripheral irrelevant shit proves your allegiance to the west
>>719644334Nice Freudian slipEven you acknowledge left is trash
>>719643715Ehhhhhhhhhhhhh....I don't like the argument that "all art is political" because the question of whether all art is political is more complicated than one would think because it really depends on what you consider "political". The whole thing really took off when new online lefties wanted to push back against anti-wokies bitching about games being "political", but it falls flat because they don't realize anti-wokies have a different perception of what is and isn't "political". It's why saying "MGS is political" doesn't work with them since you can just say "well, it's not political in the way I dislike" given their belief in what is "political" is "woke" shit like women or minorities in games, especially those in AAA slop. Like, when annoying online lefties say that everything about art is political, right down to even apolitical stuff being political because of the circumstances or implicit beliefs of the creators or society, it's just way too broad and reductive. It's basically asking for someone to throw a gotcha question like "Well, is pong political then?" The people who push the "all art is political" angle are just annoying and naive, and it's not as big of an issue in film - well, outside mainstream IP shit like the MCU. Film directors and creators there tend to have a way better understanding and appreciation of art beyond "is/is not political", and focus their films on other aspects of life and don't limit theirselves to that frame of thinking. There's stuff that's obviously political in the "government plot/thriller/current events" sense, which is what my definition of political is, though I don't care much for the "women and minorities in media" view of political.
>>719644438Show me some ugly sculptures then of fat rich peopleThey existed for more than your make believe "proletariat" enemiesMost of them aren't even sculptures of real people you fucking mid wit, just aesthetic ideals and mythological figuresYou grossly under educated.Only a successful society can produce high craftsmanship, time intensive masterworks so yes, they are intrinsically tied to the west and that fact makes 3rdies, browns, blacks and most often jews seethe uncontrollably and seek to undermine, subvert and disenfranchise them at any costKike.
>>719627148Art isn't inherently political, you can interpret it as such while others can notThis entire discourse stems from people thinking that 'art' is a word that means good. It does not, however, and any educated person can tell you as much. Anything made by human hands with the purpose of saying something to someone else is art, Outer Wilds is art and a toddler's doodle is too.
>>719644484What does left being shit have anything to do with what I said? What hind of retarded copium is this? You're literally worshipping rich kike selfies you retard lmao
>>719644960thank you for admission that you don't actually like them as they are, just their affiliationlet me guess, you'd rather be friends with a 70iq brownoid christian than a 120iq white atheist?
>>719643248Get a job, shit-eater Dave.
>>719645492if you start seeing namefag schizos in random posters you should really consider taking a break
>>719645094I love them as they are. They were made in my homeland. I also like Japanese and some Chinese art, cultures that were stable and homogenous enough to produce fine art. Modern art has fucking nothing, and is absolutely a reflection of the ugliness of the soul of it's enjoyerWhich is you.
>>719643874You kind of begin to understand MAGAts when you read shit like this. They just worship anyone who exploits them as their god. Also makes sense why kikes pretty much rule the world with the US as their proxy. An entire race of perfectly obedient golems, treating the displays of plutocratic vanity as divine grace.
>>719645002I said, I like sculptures. Rarely were these self portraits. Jews also rarely featured even in the self portraits because they were rightfully shunned as (unfortunately in the long run) money handlers
>>719645568Get a job, shit-eater Dave.
>>719645748As far as I'm concerned anyone who exploits the common man for their own gain is a subhuman kike. I've no more love for the nobility of then as I do for globalist corporate ghouls.
>>719645672Get a job, shit-eater Dave.
>>719645613yet you're behaving like a commie and are rabid that a videogame is allowed to explore themes you rigidly swearidk if you know anything about the west but it's the one subset of civilisations in the world that actually evolved the ability to deviate from the norm without a bunch of indoctrinated slaves descending on you yet you're playing the role of one
>>719645987rigidly swear against*
Dave does have a job—his job is to lose arguments online.
>>719645094You assume I like the christian art specifically? How very left of you. We're all inbred Christcuck hicks right?Well, no. I prefer the mythological pieces but overall the ones with the best aesthetics in terms of realism and difficulty in creation, like getting fabric folds to like 1:1 lifelike out of fucking stone, which takes enormous amounts of actual skill, 7nlike say, looking at genre conventions and saying "guise but what if, killing bands guys is actually bad too!" Like a fucking 12 year old impressed by an evil version of Superman. To kikes like you, this "innovative"
Modern art is just money laundering, there's nothing deep about it.
>>719645987Was this for me or someone elseI am confus
>>719646062yes, what if warfare wasn't just slaying nameless people in the name of retards that won't lift a finger for all the people whose lives they risk and sacrificeyou're vouching for actual fucking propagandathe black and white morality is descendant from nobles and their petty disputes and all the soldiers that were conscripted to fight their shitty wars
>>719645094>>719646062Oh I'll take the atheist very poor "gotcha" tbqhwy
>>719627148>Crashes the industryGreat way to prove a point!
>>719646145One of the best trends on social media, is people going to art galleries, and taking photos of themselves standing next to pieces they think they can make. So the videos will be a slide show of them standing next to a bunch of trash art. And then the comment sections is divided. Half the people are laughing their asses off. The other half are upset that they're disrespecting their art. And so of course people are arguing in the comments about good and bad art. I love seeing modern art advocates get angry and shat on.
>>719640649>is that Raiden was made explicitly to challenge the concept of traditional masculinity.Bro Konami focus tested Japanese school girls and they said they don't like playing as old men so they made Raiden to appeal to the fujoshi. Turns out fujoshi don't really care about MGS that much even when pandered to so they made Raiden into a joke in MGS3 where he is Volgin's gay lover and you kill him.
>>719646231Good video games historically have been about combat, or the stick as Kojima puts it. With the exception of death stranding. Just because I'm playing as William Adams in Nioh who is subordinate to a historically oppressive Shogun doesn't mean it's somehow not fun and I am automatically complicit in this system, you fucking retard. Power fantasy, emphasis on the fantasy is the MO for good vidya because it justifies the gameplay. It in no way has to feflect my real life values. I've never stolen a a car but enjoy GTA. Toby Fox makes an "evil superman" tier genre subversion and you think it's the equivalent or surpasses classical art because of your commie leanings? It's really not that deep bro. It's a mid wit magnet plot point that retards like you flock to
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l_vt0XLNpOE>look at me while I look at you>seeing eye to eye is something we can never do>you try to tell me what is right>I may not know a lot but I know one thing that's if you got the answer then I don't want to know>if you got the answer just keep it your own>I wonder why the world is ablaze>sometimes I think aloud and hear what people have to say>I try and have an open mind but your brain and your mouth must not be connectedsarkeesian was a charlatan, but then again so are many people on the republican right, right down to their christened god-emperor. the whole world is filled with snake oil salesmen. something about capitalism really brings them out of the woodwork.>lean on me while I lean on you>if we destroy each other it might save a life or twoyou can screech all day until you're blue in the face but in the end people are going to think whatever they want and conversations like this are pointless, mostly because people aren't really interested in solutions or expanding their own minds, but rather opportunities for self aggrandizement and profit. give someone enough gold and they'll say just about anything you want, the truth be damned.
>>719627872i wonder if this is a college or highschool paper
>>719640649>challenge the concept of traditional masculinity.Whose "traditional masculinity"? Raiden is the epitome of masculine youth by Japanese standards. You do realise Metal Gear is a Japanese franchise, not an american one, right? Fuck you're stupid.
>>719627212basedfpbp/thread
>>719640851No, you fool, after they're done with the Jews, you and yours are in the chamber next.
>/ic/let /v/SLs trying to act like authorities on art
>>719646825>don't deconstruct how shitty the origins of my black and white themes are, it's just a game>but only if i don't like those themes
>>719627148>serious critical analysis
>>719627221You can't play something you never knew existed, because they are in fact that unpopular.
>>719646952Anyone can judge artBecause anyone can appreciate beauty
>>719646891Well I don't see major gaming studios hire nationalist grifters as "consultants" to remove problematic content
>>719647103Beauty is in the eye of the brapholder. Pearls among swine really if early impressionism and realisms are peaks to retards that 'piqued' in highschool in regards to art knowledge.
>>719646975You put gameplay last or near last right?Also no argument You hold a midwit tweest that invalidates gameplay motivation for subversion goy points to be fucking Anna Karenina or something You can only (((deconstruct))) something that is inherently good, especially if it's greatness causes jealous seethe
>>719627148>art is politicalYou're not a person, you're an activist meme inhabiting a human body.
>>719647292true enough, but there's a reason for that, and it's simply that sarkeesian's brand of extremism is more socially acceptable and therefore palatable to the masses. whatever you think about white nationalism, you can't deny that it's exclusionary to anyone but whites, and that's not something the powers that be can sell to the general population, when so many of them aren't white. that, and of course, if you want to be brutally honest, any sort of racial supremacy is founded upon hatred of the "other" and that sort of thing only begets eventual violence and bloodshed, which are antithetical to the healthy functioning of any society.
>>719627148>You can't debunk thisi can because anita never made serious critical analysisshe wrote unserious opinion pieces and tried to guilt people into feeling bad for having a different opinion and then begged for money to do it more.
>>719647416quite the contrary, if your shit is down to good vs evil there's nothing to deconstructthe only thing that can be attacked directly is the origin of the theme as the propaganda for the plebs to throw bodies at the endless wars caused the petty squabbles of the ruling class
>>719627493absurdist meta ironic nihilism
>>719627493That modern art is shit and one can take a common item and pass it off as a masterpiece and art critics will hail you as a revolutionary
>>719627418>villain wins by paying the ultimate price
>>719647619Way to miss my earlier pointI don't steal cars in real lifeI like GTA (before 5 at least)I don't want to die for IsraelI can enjoy a military tactics gameBase instincts power fantasies are fun and have been the basis for good vidya for their entire existence. Gay shit like gone home, or gameply invalidating subversive shit like deltarune/undertale should just been a movie or machinma. Making a player feel "bad" for just playing the game is inherently anti-medium, not matter what faggots like Druckmann will tell you.
>>719627696>everyone in 4cuck is the same person
>>719647967>He doesn't think Spec Ops: the Line is the peak of the genre
>>719648106Haven't played it tbqhwy Probably shouldSeems like the rare subversion done right
i love engagement bait
>>719647362If post modern art is slapping a banana in a wall or letting piglets starve to death as a statement on the meat industry, perhaps that should be where we stop. One is money laundering and the other is sadism, neither are particularly good for society.
>>719627723>World War 1 was good actuallyWhy are rightoids so fucking unhinged
>>719647573>any sort of racial supremacy is founded upon hatred of the "other" and that sort of thing only begets eventual violence and bloodshed,ANY sort of supremacy leads to violence and bloodshed as an eventuality. Just because current egalitarian progressive society lacks a racial supremacist mindset doesn't mean there isn't supremacy going on. I've witnessed so-called peaceful progressives making the most bloodthirsty, genocidal statements possible towards other countries for resisting the expansion of their ideology within their own sovereign borders, to the point such self-righteous mouthbreathers are absolutely convinced a thermonuclear exchange can be won.They are not built different, it's just a new group of supremacists seeking to impose their way on the world. As it has been for all of fucking time. It's tiresome.
>>719647967>only games i like should ever be made and if you ever dare to make me think about the core gameplay as more than means to an end you're a trannyan utterly african statementdevelop some theory of mind
>>719648246It is, all though there are some flaws to that subversion that get pointed to in every thread about the game.I think Undertale is the king of subversion done right, but it's a very different genre, if you don't like the genre you won't like either game. If you like both genres, play both.
>>719648339Our current society is absolutely racist The exception being it's anti white with some actual power behind it for a change
>>719627148How are there zero nudes of her?
>>719648459Fair, if you look at what certain people say about the future of humanity being of mixed race, the rhetoric maps directly onto the whole master race idea. Time is a flat circle.
>>719648386Nigger games are games first and foremost. It's the defining trait of the mediumVideo GAMESTelling someone they should feel bad for getting gud at shooting, swordan or drivan is peak judaism. Just don't enjoy yourself goy. Fucking Druckmann shit. I bet you loved TLoU2
>>719648303And comparing Titian to the banana, or The Fountain is as disingenuous as comparing cave paintings to Michelangelo.Or good AAA games to gacha. People are still doing realistic portraits today, traditionally with wate color, oil and gouache paints.You strike me as someone that lists everything that is Western, as Calarts ad-nauseum
>>719648620>i turn my brain off for games and so should you, everything should be wheels for the gameplayso you're a troglodyte that unironically worships shit like skyrim because it plays better?
>>719648620Forgot pic
>>719627297she literally said at the beginning of her whole endeavor of criticizing video games that she doesn't really play games.She just wanted to infect a boy hobby.
>>719648339>progressive egalitarian supremaciststhat's an oxymoron if ever I've seen one.
>>719648759>>719648386If you want to feel bad about yourself you can just look in a mirror instead of playing a video game
>>719648404I like rpgsBut SMTV is subversion done right in my opinion, no pure "good" ending, but choose your own ideology with the demoralisation tactics Might try spec ops thoughbeit
>>719648850the endgame of not giving a shit about anything but the gameplay is slop genres like arpgs and sports gamesdon't pretend that anyone would give a shit about any of your favourite games if it was just stripped down to the bare metal
>>719648759Skyrim? Fuck outta here Next one will have niggers and trannies just like starfield and veilguardRight up your alleyAnd you can't "turn your brain off" and finish a legitimately good video game. You have to ve more engaged and locked in than with a book or film
>>719648745No, I just don't like what is obviously shit art being propped up by rich people to pass money between each other while claiming it's "high art". Listening to some karen talk about rape while she's showcasing her menstrual blood on a canvas is hardly art. It's like everyone knows it's complete and utter bullshit but no one wants to say it for fear of being called "unsophisticated". No, it's just dumb.
>>719648986Like monhun or dark souls? Fucking kek.Wilds is fucking dowager BECAUSE of the story you book/moviefag vidya tourist
>>719649035niggers and trannies are just numbers in the codeagain, you only give a shit about the dressing if you don't like it but don't question the mountains of trash you're already accepting to begin with
>>719648915*Without the demoralisation tactics
>>719648819People are capable of holding irrational and contradictive ideas. The human psyche isn't big on perfect logic unless you actively try. The entire strategy of western civilisation since the end of WW2 has been to impose itself on as much of the world as possible, regardless of the actual will of the peoples it claims to want to save from despotism and tyranny, while ironically classifying its own dissident elements who should presumably under an egalitarian model have a say in how things are done as an "other" and therefore an enemy to be neutralised.
>>719649065Strong disagree, rape menstrual art sounds based.
>>719627872this reminds me about a satirical analysis I wrote in class for an exercise. It was about war being actually good thing.My teacher praised me for it, despite having many grammar errors, but my teacher liked the content.
>>719649152Name your top 5Here's mineSmtv vengeance Bloodborne SotNXenoblade chronicles x definitive edition Phoenix point behemoth edition Your turn, but I know you won't
>>719649065Notice how I never brought up post modernism, and you immediately obsess about post modernism.The topic was initially how /v/ handles /ic/ conversations, and it's usually like that. Using some garbage to prop up as the face of a medium, region or era/generation. Like how many faggots parroted how ALL indies are "2D pixel shit about depression".I could show you pic-rel, and you'd still be seething about Jackson Pollock or something because tunnel visioning on shit is fun to point at with the crowd.
>>719649340i don't give a shit about your dick measuringi'm not here to pretend like my choice of media is saving the westyou know what would? if instead of obsessing over trannies and niggers and subversive themes in games you actually made a white child
but seriously why are we getting threads attempting to repair an eceleb's reputations 13 years later? most people have moved on but it seems a certain group lost so hard they can'tcan't be organic
>>719649215ok, fair enough.
>>71962787210/10 essay Fuck me that teacher was SEETHING
>>719649496I have 2Way ahead of you>>719649532Either she or some pathetic simp os
>>719649532Either she or some pathetic simp is making a YT vidya about the ChanScreencap this and get back to me in a month
>>719649496Knew you wouldn't I'm guessing UndertakeDeltarune Spec opsTLoU2And some other faggot shitNice concession
>>719627237>SEX with Anita
>>719627148Video games are art. I don't know how you disprove this. Being a product doesn't stop it from being art, are you joking?>they ahould he subjecy to serious critical analysis like any other artistic mediumSure, and just like any critique of art it is subjective and I don't have to give a fuck. Five Guys is correct about this and it doesn't hurt anything. If anything, the fact I would want to depict something like sexy women or violence in a game and it is still art means all the more reason to not inhibit my artistic process and allow me to make whatever vision I want without censoring me.
>>719649393nta, but I don't understand your point. He's telling you the specific kind of art he takes offense to. And you counter by saying "well, this other art is good, so you're ignorant". How is he wrong, when the shitty art exists? I don't get your position at all.
>>719649743i have to assume it's a group of academics working on another paper about "extremism in gaming" or something. The spam lines up perfectly with the academic school year
>>719649939Saying all art is [liberal arts thesis piece] is the barest of minimums, when playing reductive summation to say all art today is bad.
>>719647362I agree and that's why I say AI outputs are art. It could be beautiful to someone. The prompt writer clesrly has a vision and the ability to regen if they didn't like the output, they have a statement.
>>719649393I did, when I first mentioned all this. You didn't bother to read because you love sniffing your farts and assuming your right as you fight a strawman that didn't exist until you made it.
>>719627148>You can't debunk thiseasily can
>>719650265Banana on wall does exist, but it's still low hanging fruit to bring up. I'd call that a strawman.
>>719650049Who said all art is one way?
>>719649875not even closei'm not here to get whipped up into a frenzy over the media someone else likesyou are
>>719650319Track down the trashcan, the exhibit in the trashcan is now an exhibit
>>719650324>food analogy Fucking burgers
>>719650480YepDidn't expect you to back up your "taste" with examples
>>719650694>1v1 fight me on rust intervention only you lose if you don't come
>>719650792Unironically yesIf you can't even name works that support your retarded claims you didn't have a leg to stand onIt'd be way easier than Rust too, but you can't do it
>>719627212Fippy bippy
>>719650969you're incapable of arguing the point without trying desperately to bring it down to a personal level, how sadface it, your themes are actually shittier than the ones you criticise and you're admitting it by just saying you turn your brain off and develop myopia where all you care about is the shit you see right nowactual brownoid high time preference train of thought
>>719636082stop projecting, dilate and join the ack necromorph
Poor poor miss Anita i wonder what she is thinking right now now that He has returned to the White House and it's becoming more apparent she is at least partially responsible for all of this. Not that it matters because it's too late to do something about it. I just thought it was funny that America became a fascist state all because of a single blog post. Like that's crazy. Someone must have colossally fucked up here.
>>719650324It actually did exist and sold for millions, proving you and the other retard wrong. This is just one big money laundering scam.
I have no horse in this race but it's insane how so many years later that one quite can make so many people angry here kekThese threads always reach bump limit
>>719633390We should commit damnatio memoriae on everything Marx and his followers ever made. It's the only way to truly kill an idea, by destroying every last trace of it so none can ever be infected again.I also advocate for nuking the shit out of South America, the largest nest of commies rn. I don't care if I burn too, better dead than red.
Did Dave run away? I’m seeing fewer long rambling leftist posts.
>>719650324CAAARLOS!
>>719651273>turn your brain offAlready addressed Interacting with and completing good vidya is the ploar opposite.Shaming a player for daring to play the game is jewish and your vaunted war is le bad Toby fox shit is elementary m night shalamayan shit for mid witsNo shit war us bad, I'm not fighting for Jews and their neocon agendas ever, or fucking peace loving democrats that love drone striking tooI do enjoy however good game play and the majority of good game play is combat in one form or another, because outside kojima and a few others like 1st playthrough of subnautica or a good racing game no one has made a compelling pacifist gameI've btfo every point you've made and you've made no counter points at allTake your own advice, or just rehash brown and "turn your brain off" again as I suspect.
>>719652206>you are being shamed by... the game not worshipping you and giving you the best ending for mindlessly attacking and killing obviously sapient enemies
>>719648915What makes Undertale 'demoralizing'?Spec Ops is definitely demoralizing, but it's demoralizing to people who want to send our boys off to die in foreign countries so we can feel like the world's policeman, some I'm fine with them looking down at that sort of ideology.Spec Ops is also a decent game, so if you like the genre, it's worth playing just to see what the fuss is all about.
>>719652206>because outside kojima and a few others like 1st playthrough of subnautica or a good racing game no one has made a compelling pacifist gameMirror's Edge
>>719627148>art is politicalpeak midwit world view
>>719651670>It's not the original banana because a performance artist grabbed it off the wall and ate it>it's not even the replacement for that, in fact you need to replace the banana yourself before fruit flies take over your gallery>it's not even the original duct tapeLiterally only paying for the artist's signature.
>>719652441>best ending Spoken like a true storyfagAlso, my favourite game if all time which i listed earlier, is Shin Megami Tensei V Vengeance, which if you know anything about the series, blows your argument entirely out of the water. There is no "best ending". You use demon's callously as tools without attachment, or you don't, and keep the same ones throughout the game. You pick hopefully an ending that resolves things according to what you believe, but no guarantees. This is at the cost of the life of one or more of your high school friends. Do you side with YHWH and enforce order and restrict personal freedom to 0? Do you side with Lucifer and grant absolute freedom at the cost of might making absolute right now? This is just 2 of 6 endings. SMTV Vengeance has all the shit you've been claiming Toby fox does (as well as the opposite too for true narrative freedom) but without just being basic bitch shit. You really need to play more than 1 (now 2) games and it really fucking shows given the fact you only defend 1 mediocre subversion twist, can't counter argue and won't cite any other works.You're a fraud
>>719652707Haven't played1st person parkour looks like it'll make me throw up
>>719653337>game sucks because gameplay has an implication on the story and it's not just picking a door
>>719653584>I'm a story first fag who can't argueWe know. Note that I said vengeance, where every dialogue choice matters in the xenon of vengeance.Too hard for you?I bet you watched the pacifist runs of your beloved Toby fox shit on YouTube
>>719627148"Serious critical analysis" from a very specific point of view and focusing on the same aspects with the same criticisms and arguments, over and over, where it is assumed that everyone involved should see things the same way
>>719653842>dialogue choiceyou're jerking off a game splitting itself off into a vn and a jrpg because you can't comprehend them combined
>>719653421You're missing out
>>719653981You literally know nothing about the game, or video games as a whole reallyYour thinking of Persona retardThere is no VN in smt. SMTV is 90% gameplay, as it should be, defining the medium as it does and you get dialogue choices sprinkled throughout that determine an ending which does not glaze the actions of your character AT ALL. Each ending has implications far greater than just "killing bad" like your deviant art slop game, although it includes that too. It has literally defining the entire ideology and power structure of the world going forward and the implied consequences, not just "Lol don't kill anyone this time around tee hee"
>>719654392>consequences>i picked the flavour text i wanted that means absolutely nothing in the context of gameplay
>>719654609>first fucking quest>side with Angel or a succubus>you recruit the demon you don't kill and your choice has ramifications on the endings>do you pick the strong demon because the game is hard even though you ideologically agree with the angel>Just flavour text lolTry actually playing games other than foxslop. Your ignorance is astounding
if it's good, it's artif it's bad, it's modern art
Another thread, another leftist loss. Why do they even get up in the morning?
>>719654609I legit think you don't actually play video gamesLike you watched 1 youtu.be video by some fucking ignorant zoomer like you on why Undertake having a pacifist route is somehow groundbreaking and evocative of "the rich profit from war, the poor die in it" like it's novel.
>>719654979Bull noises from their wives separate bedroom
