Why couldn't you fix her /v/?
>>719634270I don't play shit games.
>>719634270she's a mean bitch
>>719634270why did this game barely get any blender porn?
>>719634650There's only 3 girls. a 16 year old, a flat ugly asian and an ugly Arab.
>>719634650she was too pure for it
>>719634934>they're le uglynot an argument
>>719635156Imagine losing to that
>>719634270
>>719635156That games over a decade old now
>>719634270lune is cute
>>719634934>a flat ugly asianYou're such a faggot.
>>719634650The chink was ugly, the slut was alright but nothing special, leaving only Maelle/Alicia who's too old for the majority of artists that would dare to make porn of her.
>>719634270What's there to fix?
>>719634934Retard.
>>719634270There's nothing to fix. She's perfect as is, and ultimately an unfortunate victim in the end.
>>719634270She's a vapid dimbo pretending to be smart because Verso wrote her that way
>>719636516i thought Verso's mom drew the humans
Because that slut Sciel threw herself and Verso and I didn't want to cockblock the man.I didn't realise sideways pussy was on the menu, or I would have made him wait.
>>719637518I thought Lune and Sciel were meant to be Clea's perfectionist nerd and smug whore personalities split up to give Maelle the ideal older sisters
>>719637965Just admit you failed the test.
why should i settle for gooks?
>>719637965Is Sciel really a slut when she only fucked Verso because she was single, and dumped him as soon as she learned her husband could brought back?If anything, that’s the opposite of a slut.
>>719638858I think Sophie, in the beginning, was supposed to be Maelle's ideal older sister. Aline probably also draws Sophie's "no children" shit from Clea. They have the same face, dating Gustave/Simon, who both lost an arm and summon the red lightning. Art is about drawing influence from your own life. And probably create Sophie/Gustave from Clea/Simon.
>>719639185>Aline probably also draws Sophie's "no children" shit from Clea.There’s nothing to suggest that Clea is opposed to having children. Especially since she’s the “mother” of the Nevrons. Sophie was also only opposed to having kids because of the gommage. The implication is if there was no gommage, things probably would have been different.
I died at the end of the first act.
Why do asians have hairy coochies?
>>719635256Brehs...
>>719635256is there a maelle one of this?
>>719639185>I think Sophie, in the beginning, was supposed to be Maelle's ideal older sisterThat seems like more like Emma who was Maelle's actual older sister/mom.
>>719639184She made a commitment to get husband and broke it even though she believed they'd be united.She broke off the fling when it seemed like she'd be caught.
>>719639706>She broke off the fling when it seemed like she'd be caughtSciel outright tells Verso “I’m only dating/fucking you because my husband is dead. If he were here, I’d ditch you in a heartbeat”.
>>719639184She still fucks Verso again after the swimming lesson which can happen while she believes she is going to be reunited with Pierre
i rejected sciel because i was holding out hope for a maelle romance
>>719634934>ugly Arabredundant
>>719639971There’s nothing way that was going to happen because she’s Verso’s sister, and they didn’t want to open the incest can of worms.Some would argue her age may have been an issue too, but considering they gave her a skimpy beach outfit, I don’t think that’s the case.
>>719640234painted siblings should be like step siblings in that it lets them get away with it imho
>>719639185>>719638858Lumierens had been reproducing independently for generations, our crew weren't hand-crafted by Aline. Maelle was drawn to Gustave because of the loving brother/father role he as a person was able to fulfill, as she subconsciously missed Verso and Renoir.
>>719640361>Why are you pulling away step-bro?
>>719639471
>>719640550>tfw no gf to kiss meAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
>>719640493I'm replaying this with my wife watching and it's crazy how the very moment alicia wakes up after the giga-gommage, she's decided the canvas is her home and she's never leaving, before she even talks to Renoir and finds out he intends to destroy it. Meanwhile she was jokingly chanting "push him out, push him out!" during the conversation with Renoir and while it was in good fun, she's definitely going to pick the maelle ending.
>>719639040Voulez-vous coucher avec moi, ce soir?
>>719638980ffs
Maelle>powergap>Sciel>>>Lune
>>719634270>zendaya as Alicia/Maelle>idris elba as Renoir>kirsten dunst as Aline>justice smith as Verso>akwafina as Lune>gal gadot as Sciel>joseph gordon levitt as Pierre>timothee chalamet as Gustave>seth rogan as Esquie>bradley cooper as Monoco>michelle rodriguez as Clea>kumail nanjiani as Simon
>>719641337why couldn't they have just said that maelle was 18 so we could have lewd mods
>>719641846>no Jack Black
>>719641918You're right, he should be Monoco or Esquie.
>>719638980>ME ON SON! A FOOKIN MUSICIAN!
>>719635256>finds out that Verso planned all along to let Lumiere get wiped out just so he could make his mom go to therapy>still fucks himWhat is wrong with her?
>>719634934True. Lol
>>719637965They patched it so you can do both now
>>719641846>>719641918In all seriousness, Robert Patterson should play Gustave and Pierce Brosnan should play Renoir. Just use the game’s actual VAs for Esquie and Monoco.>>719641872Because her age is actually symbolically important to the plot. 16 + 16 =32, which means she’s technically the same age as the other party members.There’s also nothing stopping you making lewd mods of her regardless. I believe some already exist.
>>719642237I just got to the part where you can bang Lune two nights ago on my second playthrough and she still says "aren't you going to meet Sciel later?" so no, you still can't do both.
>>719642374Any reason you think Serkis couldn't do Renoir live-action?
>>719642374>Robert Patterson should play GustaveHe'd probably demand to play Verso so he can pretend to be Cloud irl >Pierce Brosnan should play Renoir.Aline is too thin for that
>>719642406It'd be pretty fitting for Verso to end up in a situation where he has to lie even more and keep secrets from everyone.
>>719634270Monoco and Esquie are the only two likeable characters in the entire game.
>>719641872She has to be a child because the plot revolves around her being an immature child
>>719642523>Aline is too thin for thatHe probably wanted Aline out of the Canvas so badly because she hasn’t eaten in weeks.
>>719642621It's really delightful catching Verso lie about every single thing on a second playthrough. Still picking his ending.
>>719642523She got thin wasting away in the painting which is why Renoir is ticked off.
>>719642406Skill issue I guess. I was able to do both
>>719642374>There’s also nothing stopping you making lewd mods of her regardless.i live in bongistan so that is not true
>>719642673>childaoc in France is 15, you mindbroken american
>>719642673>16>childTell the French that. They don’t operate under the Burgerstan perception of age.
>>719642825I simply do not believe you but I don't expect there's a way for you to prove it or for me to disprove that it's possible.
>>719642725>"Son, I have drawn you as a liar-liar-pants-on-fire soijack... consider this a lesson"
>>719643003>>719642976>Clea: You're not a child, but you're not yet grownShe's meant to be perceived as young and immature.
When did the real Renoir/ The Curator escape captivity? Did he help other Expeditions before 33?
>>719643073>not yet grownher butt cheeks are
>>719643235also who saved gustave at the beginning when the rest of the expedition got wiped out?
>>719643062>I have depicted you as the seething/sorrowful/joyful mask, and myself as the stoic faceless curator.
>>719643451Probably that blonde haired chick who he finds dead in the cavern a few hundred feet down the path where he tries to kill himself. Catherine?
>>719643451Probably also The Curator/ Renoir. He probably realised he was Maelle’s brother figure, so he was likely useful for that purpose. That, and he’s also the one who saved Maelle from the beach.I’ve heard people say that Verso is present during the beach scene too, but I never spotted him.
>>71964187216 is legal in the civilised world
>>719643735Didn't Verso say that he was the one that saved Maelle at the beach?
>>719643235>captivityThis is poorly explained in the game. He and Aline are "trapped" below/at the top of the monolith, but their curator/paintress forms seem to be able to move freely around the canvas. I think "trapped" just means that if either of them leave the canvas, the other will win. Aline would get back ALL the chroma and be ready for Renoir if he returned, and Renoir will wipe everything. But this could just be my head canon.>Did he help other Expeditions before 33?I think he only helped 33 because they had Alicia, who had the latent ability to gommage the paintress's defenders. At least one other expedition made it to Aline (60) and she told them to go fuck up Renoir instead, but he instead fucked THEM up.What I don't get is why Renoir bothered making the axons/couldn't just pull the chroma from them since they're his creations. My best explanation is he had a lot of free time and the video game needed those pre-paintress bosses.
>>719643735Verso rescued Maelle. Skip to 2 minutes in this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCL1sKd32us&ab_channel=DefectiveGaming
>>719641872Ironically, if the game had been made in Japan. Maelle would have been even younger and she'd have loads of lewds and both Gustave and Verso incest fanart going around without reddit going apeshit.
>>719634270What do you mean? There wasn't anything wrong with her. She simply made the critical mistake of trusting v*rso.
>>719644050
>>719643871I understood the Axons as being things that Renoir painted to channel his own grief by sketching his family, although I guess he must have used them during the Fracture since one of them got killed by Simon in Old Lumiere. Maybe they were originally just expressions of grief and he weaponized them later
the women in this game have indistinct personalities, they are all le broken gurlbosses
>>719643735>>719643798blindbros?
>>719639040>full rendered Imagine the smell bros...
>>719644198I guess I never considered that the fracture could've lasted a period of time, I always thought of it as a very brief but calamitous disaster. I thought Simon killed the Hauler later, because Clea is stated to have entered the canvas AFTER the fracture.
>>719643961In a Japanese game Verso would've actually saved Gustave and ended up dying himself later. It also would've had an actually good ending.
>>719644368
people obsessing over a game pisses me off and i don't know why
>>719644368If you consider killing an out of nowhere faceless god with the power of friendship a good ending
>>719644514I do actually.But I mean if the plot otherwise stayed the same a proper compromise would've been reached.
>>719643005NTAI actually watched a stream where someone romanced both. Sciel timestamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2539817248?t=03h50m41sLune timestamp: https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2540711200?t=06h28m24s
>>719634328FpbpWe are NEVER paying for this woke French parry slop.
>>719644786literally the least woke mainstream game in years
>>719634270She was already fixed. It's that pussy ass nigger bitch Verso who fucked everything up
>>719644616>proper compromise>AliciaGood joke.
>>719644947Actually, his sister is to blame, he just did what he had to.He WAS on board with fixing the canvas and getting rid of Renoir you know.
>>719634270Verso was a nigger
>>719644878Sure it is frogboy.
>>719645216>>719645126Gustav would've told her to not kill herself, and she would've listened to Gustav.Gustav dying is completely on Verso.
>>719645216Like character like fanbase. Cut your gaslighting shit. His entire goal was to die canvas be damned.
>>719634270>fix>bitch why don't just be happy with me betraying you again and killing you and everyone you love off permanentlyOP needs nice words said to him, special education is down if they're posting here.
>>719645375>sides with Alicia throughout act 3>fights off renoir>but he wanted to destroy the canvas I swearLiteral mouthbreather.
>>719643235>>719643871The Curator seems to have helped E58 in the past. Their journal is the only one to mention him"Expedition 58, DelphineThe behemoth is such a marvel. It has a small city on its back that I really want to explore, but the others think it’s too risky, too easy to get caught by the Nevs around here. Bah!Verso called this thing an Axon, apparently they are incredibly powerful, with hearts of pure chroma. Utterly unkillable! Except clearly something did.Verso and his father, Renoir, spent years trying to kill the Axons, hoping to forge their hearts into a weapon to break the Barrier. But no dice.I bet the Curator would love to get his hands on one of those hearts, he could easily forge such a weapon."
>>719635212https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEZsGUqgtHQ
>>719645338>and she would've listened to Gustav. >doesn't listen to Renoir>doesn't listen to verso, who she loves FAR MORE than GustaveAgain, good joke. Alicia is too far gone the moment act 3 starts.
Why didn't Aline just tell the Lumerians what was going on with the gromages?
>>719634270>game gets gaped and raped by SilksongE33 bros...
>>719644745>https://www.twitch.tv/videos/2540711200?t=06h28m24sHuh, wonder what I did differently. Maybe you have to turn her down the second time?>>719644786low effort jeet post
>>719634270>VERSO!!!>HOW COULD YOU!? I DON'T CARE IF MY ENTIRE EXISTENCE IS CONTINGENT ON THE SLAVE LABOR OF A YOUR PHYSICAL SOUL!!! I WANT TO LIVE AND BRING BACK EVERYONE INTO A MEANINGLESS WORLD WHERE ALICIA IS ESSENTIALLY A MENTALLY SCARRED AND EMOTIONALLY UNSTABLE GOD, A WORLD WITH NO REAL STAKES OR POSSIBILITY OF PROGRESS OR ACHIEVEMENTS, BECAUSE ALICIA CAN MAKE ANYTHING HAPPEN.She couldn't be fixed.
>>719645375>His entire goal was to die canvas be damned.>Doesn't allow Renoir to kill him and fights with Alicia to save the canvasAliciafriends are not well.
>>719646097it's been a few months so i don't remember clearly but wasn't she stuck at the top of the monolith? i'm not 100% sure that's why because despite being stuck under the monolith, renoir can roam around in his curator form for some reason
>>719645640We also saw 70's flag in the monolith, so both them and 60 made it past the barrier.>>719646097Very few of them made it to her and she was batshit insane compared to Renoir.
>>719646301>Doesn't allow Renoir to kill him and fights with Alicia to save the canvasRenoir couldn't kill him. He fought to kick Aline out so he could die. I still don't understand why he sided with the party during act 3 at all.
>>719646313She was also inside the manor in old lumiere
>>719646313Why was she satisfied with grieving at the top of a mountain? I understand her being in the canvas with her family, but what's the point of just being at the top of the monolith?
>>719646594>Renoir couldn't kill him.Yes he could, he'd just have to be manually gommaged, like painted Alicia had to be. Aline made them immortal so the giga gommage didn't get them but they could still be taken out by a painter directly. He was in the process of being erased by Renoir and Alicia stopped it. He went with her instead of staying and letting Renoir finish him off.>>719646683She was insane and sat there staring at Lumiere in the distance all day. It seemed like almost all of her remaining brainpower was being used to resist Renoir>>719646313I think it's because he's just more mentally present than her. She probably can, too, but doesn't.
>>719645335enjoy being so mindbroken that you can't enjoy something that might be woke
>>719646683She lived in a world where Verso was still around playing with his furry friends so she was content with spending the rest of her time having sex with painted Renoir in the manor and beating up painted Alicia for killing her favorite kid in a different universe
>>719646683She wasn't there willingly. The game states that Renoir trapped her at the top of the monolith and she trapped Renoir underneath it. That said, like the anon you're replying to mentioned, Renoir was still able to roam around as the Curator and likewise, Aline was able to roam around as the Curatress. I don't think either is ever explained.
>>719641337This, but the complete opposite.
>>719647198Esquie supremacy
>>719647198Dogshit taste
>>719646242>SLAVE LABOR OF A YOUR PHYSICAL SOULYou unironically are illiterate.
Is there any party member’s gameplay gimmick that you just don’t understand? For me, it’s Monoco’s. I don’t understand it, and I don’t care to learn it since it requires collecting Nevron feet.
>>719647385It's literally Verso's soul, retard.
>>719647421Monoco just takes more effort to make work. Pick the ability you like most for each mask and you'll be fine but he just ends up doing less damage than everyone else. Perfectly usable for the story but will probably just end up being a buff/gradient battery for your other damage dealers if you're trying to do the endgame content.
>>719647421He's just a blue mage. What don't you understand?
>>719647494You are illiterate.
>>719647369>chad>loads of friends>god of the world he lives in is his sister>doesn't have to be immortal anymore if he doesn't want to be>can do or have literally anything he wants>"i don't want this life" gasp splutter "i don't want this life"legit wtf is wrong with this little bitch?
>>719646594> I still don't understand why he sided with the party during act 3 at all.He was not one sided the whole time. Maelle managed to motivate him to move along at the beginning of the Act 3, but not until after very fight with Renoir when he saw dying Aline and realized that Alicia will face the same fate. This is was another tipping point for him when he went back to his suicidal state again.
>>719647558I don't exactly hold claims made by retards in high regard.
>>719647565>doesn't have to be immortal anymore if he doesn't want to beI'm afraid not mon-frere! If you died, who would play piano? You'll simply have to be on stage tomorrow night.
>>719647565I’m guessing 100+ years of being alive got old for him.
>>719647421i literally never used sciel or monoco except when the game makes you and then they were super underleveled because i hadn't given them any pictos or luminas
>>719647654>>719647668>qt god-sister, can you take away my depression?>"hehe ok"problem solved
>>719647376Contrarian pedo.
>>719647565His existence is a constant reminder that he is just a knock-off copy of someone else.
>>719647654
>>719647920Sounds like he should get the fuck over it instead of taking everything else down with him.
>Months pass>Dumbasses still trying to justify Alicia's characterHate to see it.
>>719648004>justify her characterNo need, she's an immature, emotional teenager and is wonderfully written. People trying to justify her actions are of course themselves very stunted.
>>719647654>What do you miss about Lumiere?>Playing piano in the opera house.>Ok when this is over, I'll set that up for you.>NOOOOOOOOOOO I DON'T WANT THIS LIFE I DON'T WANT THIS LIFE
>>719648103Her writing is spot on, absolutely immaculate.
>>719647920oh wow great reason to destroy the world and kill everyone you've ever known
>>719648128>I'll set that up for you and also slowly kill myself in front of your eyes which the person you're based off of sacrificed his very life to preventWhy do aliciafriends have difficulties with context?
>>719648213>slowly kill myself in front of your eyesdecades pass in the canvas in a single day in the real world, she'll be fine lmao
>>719648213Just kick her out like they did with Aline and Renoir. Problem solved.
>>719647990>*family constantly killing itself because you are a ripoff of the actual thing but they need you to cope*he's not allowed to get over it because of some retarded female in his family wanting to suicide.
>>719648282>decades are a single dayI feel you're clearly incorrect - the fracture happened 67 years ago and Aline was in for an unknown amount of time before that, meanwhile the house has already had some repairs done and we see a lot of scaffolding, and Verso is already buried. It's much more likely that it's been weeks or possibly a month or two for the 67+ years in the canvas.>She'll be fineNo, canonically the way Alicia and Aline use the canvas is killing them. She'll either die, or be pulled out.>>719648351Certainly what I expect will happen.
>>719648351She will be back.Aline will be back.Clea was right>this only ends if you destroy the canvas
>>719648004>spend the whole game fighting to save everybody>change your mind at the very end as the player because the dude thats been lying from the very begining is "telling the truth now bro i swear"absolute retards
>does nothing in the entire game
>>719648484>still unable to point out a single lie from verso in act 3by the way, changing your mind about something is not lying.
>>719648484>save everybodyAfter the end of act II, it's already too late.>Alicia can just bring them backThat's certainly one interpretation. I'm glad you feel strongly about the game's ending anon!
>>719648173yeah, I find it odd that people try to justify verso wanting to 'save' the real verso's family for a limited number of years, they're gonna get old and die anyway and be filled with regret and griefplus they're annoying as fuckhe kills an entire world of sentient beings for itwhat a retard
>>719648353> Girl wants to live a life before she died - le bad> Dude wants to unalive himself in a instant - le good
>>719648591>girl abusing him and his original's soul for her own cope - bad>guy wanting to end it all because his existence only makes the people he loves want to kill themselves - goodYes.
>>719634270Literally who? And what is with modern devs' obsession with making all their characters filthy?
>>719648561It's too late because of VERSO. The main argument for Maelle's ending is because it makes Verso suffer, not because it's a good solution.
>>719648103She legit has more reasons to pull the shit she did than Aline who by the end in her happy little world was left spending decades hanging out in a house with a fake daughter that she hated while her fake husband/sex slave killed people for her.
>>719648004>dude, just go back to your miserable life as a cripple, and kill an entire world of people in the process>this is the "good end" because "escapism bad" or something>t. video game developerI see.Sucks that the bitch is crazy and Verso is being forced to live when he doesn't want to, but it is what it is.
Why isn't StevenCarsn churning out porn of her already? He made like on pic of her and that was it.
>>719636371She's not a victim in the end? She lives happily ever after with her friends.
>>719648706>It's too late because of VERSO.Without Verso the expedition would've failed and Renoir would've simply won more slowly.>because it makes Verso sufferkek
>>719648720She CHOOSES to be a miserable cripple, however.She's a super rich demigod.>and kill an entire world of people in the processAll of them were dead, and only lune cares about dying.
>>719648439>and Aline was in for an unknown amount of time before that,are you trying to argue against yourself or was that just an accident?
>>719634270Because she was already perfectly functional to begin with.
>>719648707This is why the canvas is so much MORE dangerous for Alicia, you can see Verso going "fuck, here we go again" at the beginning of Act III with alicia's "It's MAELLE!" shit.
why didn't they just send the painting overseas or something?
>>719648720>this is the "good end" because "escapism bad" or something>t. video game developerThe devs have said nothing except that they did not intend to have a good ending. You're simply upset that your preferred ending can be interpreted as having any flaws.
>>719648924Dude, in real time it takes an extremely ill woman who can barely stand like 15 minutes to find it.Assume she just uses magic.
>>719634934>There's only 3 girlslmao what? how is that an argument? so quantity over quality or what?
>>719648858No, I was saying that Renoir and Aline have been in the canvas for 67 years and Aline was in for some time before that, but given that Verso and painted Renoir hadn't questioned their existence/lack of aging yet, it can't have been a terribly long time.
>>719635548hoolyy
>>719648964Like in that interview, Maellefags have a huge inferiority complex regarding the ending they chose.It's like, deep down, they know.
>>719648569>get to live for hundreds, maybe thousands of happy years in the canvas with your loved ones doing literally whatever you want>or>live for maybe 70 more years in the real world with a miserable family and a burned face, one eye and no voiceit's bizarre
>>719644157
Considering all the platforming sections in the game and how jank the platforming is in the game, I’m convinced the platforming was made bad on purpose as a troll.
>>719648964Well, it's the good ending. I don't see how killing everyone for the sake of one narcissistic family of weirdos is meant to be good.>but they're not real!They're real enough. How bout that?
>>719649062As a fellow versofriend, you seem to be giving too much credit to our preferred ending and engaging in the same flawed logic as aliciafriends. Both endings are huge tragedies. Your interpretation of the ambiguous details simply determines which is the more bitter pill.
>>719649157Come on, Guillaume was laughing at them, hard, when they seethed about the jumpscare and it feeling wrong.
>>719649101>hundreds, maybe thousands of years>Aline, a much stronger painter, was physically dying and totally mentally insane after a few decadesNope! >>719649109
You know that this bitch will be playable in the sequel and spouting "Merde" or "Putain" when she attacks..
>>719649101>>live for maybe 70 more yearsNo way she isn't an heroing. Also no way she has a long life expectancy even if she doesn't. That woman's lungs are fucked to the point where she can't breathe without being in pain.
>>719649157Verso's ending is good because he completely died and no one has to put up with his lies and bullshit anymore.
>>719634650Zoomers are eunuchs that turned the entire internet into a panopticum of misery.
>>719649224She should be the mc of the dlc.Writer murdering sim.
>>719649254Until Aline decides to paint him in another canvas
>>719649156>Well, it's the good endingI'm glad you feel positively about your preferred ending, Aliciafriend>>719649217Because basing your entire judgment off of surface level stuff like a spooky chord and the painter face is a complete midwit take.
>>719648964People are obsessed with having "perfect" endings. I played a Japanese RPG Maker horror game lately that had a True End (generally good and everything solved, but one character got rekt) and additionally a Happy End, so that people don't cry and can pretend it's "le canon".And when there is really none, they just delude themselves into believing their ending is the good one, like in E33's case.>>719649062>Maellefags have a huge inferiority complex regarding the ending they choseBoth sides have a huge inferiority complex and a two-digit IQ.
So, how much story did I miss if I mostly just tackled the main quest? Do I need to get back in, and do all of that side shit that I don't really care about?
>>719649138there weren't many platforming partsi know because my controller has stick drift and the ones that were there were really fucking annoying
>>719649224I hope the sequel moves away from the Dessendres and tells a fresh new story.
>>719649365The side quests at the start of act 3 are essential.Then just the flying manor and renoir's drafts for post game stuff.
>>719649325Didn't his soul die so it wouldn't do shit now?I'm hoping the DLC covers the writers who killed him, I hope we get to play as them and get to be the one who starts the fire.
>>719649369I hope the only thing about them spoken of is that the writers burned what was left of their household to the ground. No comments on whether they are alive or not.
>>719649221>was physically dying and totally mentally insane after a few decadesyou genuinely didn't understand anything in this game
>>719649325Seems unlikely, looks like she's doing alright once she gets out and faces reality.>so that people don't cry and can pretend it's "le canon".Oh definitely, this videogame leans more into being an art piece and most people are too immature when they don't get a happy ending option. You see it with movies and tv too (the "hollywood ending" but not to the same extent as with games. It's the same reason gamers don't like verso - he's an established character with his own motivations, even ones contrary to the player's, as opposed to the typical blank-slate JRPG protagonist.
>>719649365Not too much. Mostly just background lore and a few optional superbosses that tell you more insight into what’s going on.
>>719649365you missed out on clea
>>719649369I suspect the plan is for this to be their own Final Fantasy, with each game being in it's own world, with it's own characters, and the greater narrative of the war between the painters and the writers will play out in the background.The super obvious thing would be for the second game to take place in a written world as opposed to a painted one, and we'll get to see what that entails.
>>719649365You gotta do the reacher, sirene's dress, the endless tower, the flying manor, and Renoir's Drafts. Every zone is worth a visit IMO>>719649457God willing the sequel will not touch the story of E33. It's finished and was well-executed.>>719649494The aliciafriend cries out in pain as he strikes you, it seems.
>>719649521>>719649362>art must end with sufferingHow pretentious.
>>719649457Verso's soul was essentially just the engine to his canvas. There's nothing stopping Aline from simply painting another Verso in one of her own canvases, for example
>>719649674>all art has to have the same ending
>>719649674>mustNot at all what I said aliciafriend, but it certainly can, and it's okay when it does.
>>719649521>motivationshe's a villain that wants to kill everyonehe's just something akin to kefka
>>719649736He's an anti-hero who wants to save his mom at any cost. If you'd played the game, you'd understand, since it makes it explicit that his primary (not sole) motivation in act 2 was stopping Aline from killing herself
>>719649723>>719649730It certainly can yes. But there seemed to be a dismissal of things that don't end badly as "not art".
>>719649365i did all the side stuff before going back to lumiere for the ending and it legit ruined the game because i was so overpowered and one-shot killed all the baddies, the final fights with renoir and verso took like 2 minutes
>>719649521Verso is quite unique as a JRPG protagonist I feel because he’s genuinely morally grey and does some outright evil things to achieve his goals. On top of that, the game ends with him betraying the party and siding with the villain rather than embracing the power of friendship.
Anything except Maelle is gay
>>719649830>anti-herothe cope is real
>>719649851>But there seemed to be a dismissalA projection of your feelings onto what you read, Aliciafriend. Much like those who complain about the "jumpscare."
>>719649830>I gotta stop my distant mom who I don't even like all that much from slowly dying and "save" her against her will>I will kill everyone I love and know for this noble purpose!Sounds perfectly reasonable.
>>719649889This man speaks the truth.
>>719649871Agreed, he's one of the best-written characters to be in a videogame, love him or hate him.>siding with the villainhe DOES fight against the villain until the villain is totally defeated, however, but when Alicia makes it clear she's decided to die in the canvas, he realizes it was a mistake (from his point of view)>>719649976>who I don't even like all that muchAn invention of your own, Aliciafriend
>>719649649aline was insane with grief in the immediate aftermath of her son dying, alicia is in a completely different emotional state and sees the canvas completely differently>after a few decadesi don't even have to explain why this is falsetry playing it again and maybe you'll understand what's happening a little better
>>719649224She was unironically the only right one. Let Aline and Alicia go. Sink or swim. The writers could attack again at any moment and kill them anyway
>>719634270What's there to fix? She's nowhere near crazy enough to warrant fixing.
>>719650089>Aliciafriendthis sperg is losing his mind, we better kill everyone and destroy 4chan to save him!!
>>719650174>actually takes what she says for realClea is actually worried about Aline, that's why she slips out a maman once.She's not as cold blooded despite how she talks.
>>719650137>alicia is in a completely different emotional state and sees the canvas completely differentlyThe moment Alicia wakes up after the giga-gommage, she sees the canvas as home. She tells this to Renoir, whom she has every reason to downplay her desire to stay to, immediately.>after a few decadesYes, the fracture was 67 years ago and she didn't go insane the day before 33 reached her, so presumably it's been the case for a while. What's your issue with the statement, Aliciafriend?>>719650174She didn't even believe it. She cared for Verso's canvas as much as any of them, the lady of sap gives away her true motivations. She's playing the part of a hardened veteran, but even after shit talking Alicia for getting painted over, she went in to task Verso with protecting her. Additionally, it's not sink or swim and she knows it - Aline is sinking and will die, it's why she helped Renoir at all.
Verso and Renoir did nothing wrong. If you disagree then you are either female or retarded, maybe both.
I guess where the game fails is that I don't feel like any of these characters are alive. Like the world is so hyper specifically designed it could only be an imitation of a real world not a functioning one. You ruin a beautiful painting in the end, an expression of the painter's humanity. But it was driving real people (in the context of the story) bat shit insane.
>>719650408>another 50 IQ fag who thinks one of the endings is "good"
>>719650408No, but ultimately I'm siding with the needs of an entire world, over the needs of two guys (one of whom is dead to begin with)
>>719650408Painted renoir did nothing wrong (Aline brainwashing him to simp for her wasn't on him)Renoir did nothing wrong.Verso did plenty wrong but regarding his family he did nothing wrong.
>>719650408People with bitterness toward their own families simply cannot relate to these men of action.
someone post more Maelle lewds, my folder needs them
>>719650502>still coping because alicia's ending is fucking horrible and the devs made sure it felt as hollow as shitty as they could
>>719650524Painted Renoir was actively killing a bunch of people that wanted nothing more than for real Renoir to stop killing them.
>>719634270Was I supposed to?
>>719650658He tried talking to past expeditions.Didn't work so better just give Aline their chroma FAST.
>>719650362do you realize you didn't provide a counterpoint to anything i said?
Lune is, genuinely, the blandest, most boring character in the game.Alicia is basically the main character.Sciel and Verso actually get each other so she works well as a pseudo romantic interest despite them being into other, dead people.Lune is just kinda there.
>>719650658Why couldn't he just tell the Expeditioners to lay off the Paintress, because she's not the one killing them?Does that just wreck the entire story?
>>719650783She's the only one with her eye on the prize and without her they never would've reached the monolith. Gustave would've killed himself, Alicia would've hung out in the manor killing nevrons in flying waters, Sciel would've lived with the gestrals.
>>719650783I’m convinced Lune was put in because they wanted to do a Tifa/Aerith choice thing. That and because the game also needed a Black Mage/White Mage, since all the other typical RPG roles were taken.
>>719650942You just described a plot device, not a character.
>>719634270Because Sciel is better.
>>719648997>How is it not healthy?>Well you see uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh...Shut up, bitch.
>>719651008A meaningless attempt at a criticism. Being the only one who doesn't let her stress and trauma stop her from trying to save the world doesn't make her a plot device.>>719651089In this case, at least, it was killing Aline.
>>719651089Because life is about pain and working in an officet- some Japanese person, probably.
>>719650614Devs made sure both endings were bad. One day you will understand. After your IQ hits three digits.
>>719650890
The real problem is that the two women who are inferior to Clea can't just fucking control themselves and take short trips into the painting.
>>719651129In this case, you can't say nothing her character adds to the game beyond>she moves the plot forwardwhich makes her a plot device. She's really fucking bland and you could literally kill her off after gustave doesn't kill himself, the game would barely need changes and you'd miss nothing character wise.
>>719650614All of my dudes are alive and happy, apart from Verso who is going to have to deal with it. To me, that's a win.
>>719642112Woman.
>>719642112>reeeeee I'm mad at my own parents>I'll fuck this bad boy to get back at them and vent outClassic happa.
>>719651278The scene with her and Sciel stargazing was nice. Although that was admittedly just as much a Sciel moment as it was a Lune moment.
>>719640393>our crew weren't hand-crafted by AlineAline says otherwise
>>719651278So I understand your terms, can you tell me what, for example, Sciel adds to the game? I'll see if I can argue that Lune adds as much once I see what you mean.
>>719650890Because he has contempt and hatred for everything. He's a loser that thinks he knows better than everyone.
>>719651278You could the same about Sciel and Monoco too. The story simply revolves too much around the brain damaged god family and the painted copies of them for anyone else too matter outside of support roles.
>>719650658>>719650890He has tried that. It doesn't work.
>>719651274sex with clea when
>muh luna>muh maelee>actually muh scielClea is marriage material.
>>719651415>Aline says otherwiseWhen?
>>719650357Pretty sure she is coldblooded considering what she does in the canvas, creates a monster that terrorizes verso's soul splinter for eternity so he can't sleep, does some painter magic on her painted version to make her act against her will, Simon, never even visits Francois. What a bitch.
>>719634270She doesn't need fixing.
>>719651532I made it up
>>719640663That's the true blackpillMaelle lost Gustave but her travels and friends were actually healing her overallThe moment she regained Alicia's memories, she completely relapsed and turned into her mother
>>719651541She doesn't considering any of those things real (she isn't wrong, considering she herself has created a myriad of worlds like that at that point).
>>719651479why doesn't it work?
>>719651463He is simply a woman's version of the ideal husband which means that he only exists to do what she says and please her needs. Unfortunately it means that he has to condone and enable the batshit insane parts.
>>719651631>It's not real because I can create itWell I guess she's a brainlet
>>719651615>be maelle>heal properly>revenge drives you>you are basically a nicer version of your real sister*gets alicia's memories*>turns into her own mom and everything goes to hell
>>719651615Indeed, Maelle's personality and memories, after the growth throughout the campaign, do not influence Alicia's decisions in Act 3. People who think this game had some kind of tragic turn right at the end are blind, this, the giga gommage, even sophie's death before Act 1 all set the tone that this game was going to be very sad.
>>719651669>it's not real because I can take all their chroma (their supposed """""soul""""") and turn it into a chairYes.
>>719651803I can turn you into a chair
>>719651532https://youtu.be/0ZZMSecMtuI?t=102It's implied during her melty
>>719651803you're not real because i can rearrange your atoms into a toilet seat
>>719651803I can't believe people who play video games which should enhance their abstract thinking are actually capable of thoughts this superficial.No, I don't think Maelle's ending is "good", by the way. Just mentioning this, because it's the usual deflect.
>>719651803>their supposed """""soul"""""Chroma can just as easily be interpreted to be the constituent parts of their body.>the way her profile looks like a screaming faceSuch kino.Anyways, what implies she hand-crafted them, her saying "not mine"? All lumierens are her creations because she brought them into existence, that doesn't mean she determined the personalities and appearances for them in the womb any more than it means Verso painted every detail of every rock that makes up the canvas world. She created a race of people and they self-perpetuate, just as Verso created a world and the landscape semi-filled itself in, or how Alicia recalled the essence of Lune and Sciel and their bodies reassembled accurately.
>>719651931>Who are you supposed to be? No matter.Why would she ask this if she hand crafted the crew?
>>719651541>wtf this fake and petty god does not care about equally for its creationslel
>>719651669>these people are not real because they're literally artificial beings made out of magic with the purpose of simulating reality for the sake of escapism
>>719652190forgot to reply to >>719651931
>>719652390Can i ask you, what does real mean? What qualities do Lumierens lack that disqualify them from personhood, that people outside the canvas possess?
>>719652279>fake and pettyJust realistic.Beyond being in verso's canvas they hold no more value than the random shit she made herself.
>>719652390>If we manage to make test tube babies they will be artificial and therefore can be treated however we wantOk then monster.
It's unfortunate that they never explore the implications of being a PainterThat shit should be held accountable by the law. Aline and Renoir "painted hundreds of canvas worlds". That's a lot of "lives" that they created and had power over. Creating beautiful environments, I can understand, but creating "sentient" life is a whole different can of morally questionable worms
>>719652882I felt it was implied Aline creating such sophisticated life was extremely unusual but I could be wrong
>>719652882But we do explore the implications of being a painter in the game.
>>719652643I am just angry because I will never marry Clea irl. It hurts bros...
>>719634650It's always surprising to see which games/characters do and don't catch wind with blender animators.
>>719652581The knowledge that the lumerians are just parts of a painting, literal fiction, given a false life by artificial means.>>719652657Test tube babies would be real people, a part of reality, brought through unfortunately artificial means.
>>719653113That answer is kind of circular, they're not real because they're not real. If God exists and created humanity, does that make them "not real"?
>>719634270Lamest character in the game by far. you can tell she was a writer self-insert
>>719636371whys she breaking 4th wall
>>719651089
>>719652657They're holodeck characters.
>>719653113Your argument was that they were artificial and therefore of no value. Now you're going for the "not real" which is also wrong, it's clearly a real world and place. It's not someones imagination.
>>719651527>people talk more about the playable characters and available love interests more than about someone who is barely in the gameStop the presses!
>>719653434No they're not. They are sentient.
>>719652882>That shit should be held accountable by the law.Outside of some "no drawing/painting/literature/music/etc. ever" law they'd be no real way to regulate that
>>719652581Don't care. The family is more important.
>>719653509Holodeck characters also appear sentient and have adaptable traits.
Having not played the game I can't really tell the male characters apart and I thought Gustave, Verso, and Renoir are just differently aged versions of the same guy as he manifests in different timelines or something. Finding out it's three separate people is like learning to whistle for the first time.
>>719653638i don't blame you, the first time renoir showed up i thought he was an older gustave and i was expecting a time travel plot
This game made me cry several times. Call me a fag but it's the truth. No other game has ever made me feel those ways. So many tragic things going on at the same time, what a nightmare. So many people suffering who don't deserve any of it.
>>719653621But the characters here do not "appear" sentient, they are sentient, it's a pretty big part of the story.
>>719653396Damn, I never thought of it that way.
>>719650521That world is fake and gay. Meanwhile there's an actual family suffering because the women can't cope with death.
>>719653243It makes God more valuable. Because he can make infinite realities with infinite people. E33 is choosing between two gods or a few thousand humans.
>>719650521You are literally priorizing three women over two family men.
>>719653243>they're not real because they're not real.That's exactly the point. Whether sentient or not they're literal fiction within fiction.
>>719653763GAYYY
french women don't look like that
>>719652882Another thing worth mentioning is time dilation inside a paintingThese mfs painted "hundreds" of worlds. Depending on how long they stayed on them (Clea mentioned Aline had spent more time in other canvasses compared to Verso's) they have lifetimes of experience then. Maelle stayed for a short while but she lived two full adolescenses. Aline spent 100 years trapped and Renoir 67, in what seems to be a matter of just days or weeks irl
>>719653863>>719653621Why are people so sure one way or the other? I genuinely don’t believe the game gives enough information to fully confirm one way or the other. I think you can theorize that, for example, if the game is really about grief and escapism then it makes more sense that they’re holodeck people because having them be sentient undercuts the message about the importance of dealing with grief and loss in a healthy way and learning to move on. Alternatively, if it’s not really specifically trying to make a statement about that and it’s just a story about a family of godlike creators whose sentient creations are caught up in the tragedy and drama of their lives, then it makes more sense for them to be sentient. But unless I missed a very obvious confirmation one way or the other in the game then I don’t know how people can argue with such conviction.
>>719654428I base it on the game acting as it they're sentient 100% of the time. If there was to be any doubt whatsoever there would have been some kind of clue or something that makes you doubt that they are somewhere, but there isn't. Everyone treats them as if they are sentient, they act sentient.
>>719653638My theory is that Gustave is manifested from Maelle's desire to have an older brother figure, hence why he looks so much like Verso.It's got to be intentional that the two lead male characters look almost the same, yeah? Otherwise that's a pretty big oversight on the part of the character designers.
>>719654261>he didn't play it and see her parents
>>719654572Maelle does, but you could argue it’s because she’s mentally damaged and trying to escape into a fantasy. Clea doesn’t, but you could argue it’s because she’s callous and uncaring. Aline is also mentally damaged and Renoir is ambiguous because he’s trying to save his wife and daughter at the expense of the canvas and its inhabitants, which either is support for them not being real or it could also be that they’re real to him but he doesn’t care because his wife and daughter come first. Every other character is a part of the painting, so of course they’ll treat each other as sentient and act sentient because either they are, or because that’s what they’re designed to simulate. You very well could be right, but again, there’s just as much an argument for both sides from what I can tell and “they act real so they’re real” isn’t a good one.
>>719654084It's real enough. This is the line of thinking that leads rich people to start wars over petty grievances, because ultimately poor people's suffering is just an abstract concept to them. If a million poor people need to be thrown in front of machine guns, so be it right? They're not part of the elect, like we are.
>>719654750>look almost the sameYou people have real face blindness.
>>719654175I'm prioritising my boys Esquie and Monoco, actually.
>>719654984>both want to see verso happy and want the painting erasedYou sure?
>>719654961If you have two main male characters in a game, maybe don't make both of them 30ish year old men with brown hair and beards. That's just basic sense as a character designer. It's why anime will always have the blue haired girl and the red haired girl. Or why Raiden was blonde and effeminate to contrast the dark haired and rugged Snake.You can put it down to the artists basically being amateurs who didn't really think about that, I guess, but it seems a pretty clear and obvious pitfall to avoid.
>>719654874Clea does not treat them as if they're not sentient, she just treats them as if she does no care about them. Renoir talks to them as if they're sentient, even tells them he's sorry. Aline treats them as if they're sentient, she warns them with the countdown.If we were supposed to question their sentience there would be some kind of clue and there isn't one.
>>719654750
>>719655197>with brown hair and beards.Gustave is brown.Verso is black with grey parts.
>>719655316splitting hairs a little.
>>719655339>they have the same hair color!>I talk about hair colors!>actually they don't>splitting hairs!
>>719654892I see your point but painting people aren't real
>>719634934Arab? Where do you get that?
>>719655383So they have varying degrees of dark brown hair.>>719655407Real enough.
>>719655231Fading Boy explicitly says that Clea doesn’t believe the inhabitants in the painting are real.
>>719655339Brown and jet black are very distinct differences. Further, they don't have any similar facial features outside of both having a (differently colored) beard. The two simply do not look alike.
>>719655648>Real enough.No, they are fake. A painting is essentially a simulation, the people are simulated. If you think they are real in the world of Clair Obscur, then you must believe the videogame characters are true people in reality.
>>719653470Yes. The presses should stop until they give me instructions on creating a Clea Tulpa like Simon's.
>>719655642Brown people are paid pennies by big companies to shill against games made by smaller companies, and they know the best argument they can make is "those characters are ugly like me!"
>>719655648>Real enough.I can build a robot that cries when you say mean things to it. Does that make it sentient?
Why are people even having this discussion when Verso himself agrees the people of the canvas should live>We deserve to live. All of us. We deserve to exist.
>>719655659Do you have the complete quote? Because not seeing them as "real" doesn't mean she doesn't believe they're sentient, "real" is not really a good word , she's just expressing a feeling that they're worth less than she is, there's no logic or reasoning.Real just means not imagined.
>>719655753Bizarre post, both worlds are in a video game. Within the context of the game, the Lumierens don't lack any qualities with regards to the sophistication of their intelligence of sapience that the humans outside the canvas possess.
>>719655843He also legitimately considers them worth less than his real family.
>>719655859Not that anon but in the flying manor:Young boy: Thank you… She… That’s what she wanted. I wish… I wish she would have listened to me. Then she wouldn’t have to make this painting suffer. Painting or not, she had feelings, and a soul. That’s what I think, at least, but I know she thinks differently. For me, everything in this canvas is as much alive as what is outside. Clea clearly cares about the canvas and is coping by being a cold bitch. Idk if her writing off the painted people as "fake" is included in that cope. She goes out of her way to make her painted version and the love interest miserable for someone who thinks they're just empty headed puppets.
>>719655919Then they wouldn't "deserve to exist"
>>719656008They deserve to exist.But the Dessendres deserve to be fixed more than they deserve to exist.
What side stuff is worth doing? I already beat the story and maxed out the relationships.
>>719655753>he doesn't know our world is a simulation to begin withNGMI
>>719656003To me she comes of as a bit of a sociopath. She treats Maelle like shit as well when we talk to her in the outside world. Terrorizes canvas people etc.
>>719656068The side stuff that takes any time is worth it, the side stuff that isn't relevant is really quick. Visit every zone if you like the game.
>>719656068Flying manor, renoir's drafts.Also the serpent is always fun.
>>719656068I thought everything was worth doing.
>>719655871Lumetians don't have what it takes to be real. They have no supplies, no logistics. It's a city built on what? A fake place with fake people.
>>719656115Definitely, I thought that on my first playthrough, but on my second I figured she's probably acting out due to losing Verso like the rest of the family, albeit in a very cruel way. But which of them weren't cruel? Aline creates a doomed race of people, Renoir kills them, Alicia treats their lives like her playground. It's hard out here for a painted person.
>>719656196>they're fake because they're fakeOkay, take care of yourself anon.
>>719656049Those two statements are completely at odds with one another.
>>719656281No? Not every deserve is on the same level.Everyone deserves to win, but in the end the one who puts in more effort deserves to win more above the rest.
>>719656218I don't think Alicia does anything wrong, she saves lives and treats them all well. Aline does some shitty things like leaving her family but she treats her creations well, they're not really doomed either, they could have lived in peace if Clea and Renoir didn't show up to murder them.
>>719645640Dude that's this Renoir not the Curator
>>719654261I don't play videogames to see PD.
>>719656335>in the end the one who puts in more effort deserves to win more above the restIn other words, they deserved to lose. This analogy doesn't even work as "winning" isn't a right while "living" is.
>>719634270I fixed her by erasing her and her friends from the canvas
>>719655871This is the sad conclusion of anti-racism. Even figments of someone's imagination can be "people," even if they cannot live without the soul of a real person sustaining their reality.
>>719657034Baffling cope. Lumierens are obviously people but not only do I understand Verso and Renoir's decision to sacrifice them to save Aline (Verso's Mom/Renoir's Wife), I'd probably do the same.
>>719656401Anon do you have the attention span of a chipmunk? The journal literally says "the Curator"
>>719657034>aliciafags still falseflagging
>>719657034>This is the sad conclusion of anti-racism.Let us honour the sanity of this man who went to /pol/ one time to many with a minute of silence.>>719657034>even if they cannot live without the soul of a real person sustaining their realityNot much unlike us, if a demiurge exists. I mean, you obviously don't believe in a god/the God, otherwise you wouldn't be here, since you would have long killed yourself, because a life of someone's creation isn't worth living.
>>719642673She's a woman so her age doesn't matter in that regard.
>>719653434That's actually am excellent explanation>>719653509Are they? How can it be proven? We (IRL) can only be as sure as Maelle (in-game) can.
>>719658992>That's actually am excellent explanationThe holodeck/star trek is based off of a more technologically advanced but still mundane human race. In clair obscur, the painters can perform actual magic. There's no in-universe reason they cannot magically create fully sentient life.>How can it be proven?It can't, but the narrative themes fall pretty flat if the sacrifice of the Lumierenes is no big deal because they weren't real anyways. In a game full of ambiguous details, that the painted people are fully sentient seems to clearly be what the authors intended. You're of course free to doubt it, and it's not stated explicitly, as very little is. A philosophical nevron comments on this very discussion:"...Must minds created by man be considered false? Many have pondered this question. Most have understood its complexity. But alas, not all. Long had they thought the answer obvious. But the more they pondered, the more it consumed them whole."
>>719657617Let's see you treat robots like people faggot
>>719657617>you obviously don't believe in a god/the GodI am Christian, because I have a soul, in real life. GPT, no matter how sophisticated it may behave now or ever, does not have a soul.
>>719660124As soon as they're conscious of their own existence, have a "self", can actually think and create (unlike what passes for A"""I""" nowadays), I will. That is, never, as it's not happening in the next few hundreds of years, if ever.What does it even matter, whether the medium storage of "self" is biological or electronical?>>719660309Then you were created by your God, just like Lune was created by the Paintress. If she's not real enough, you're not real enough either.>does not have a soulSo now you tell your God the rules? You decide whom he gives souls? That's pretty bold of you.
>>719660643>Then you were created by your God, just like Lune was created by the Paintress. If she's not real enough, you're not real enough either.Lune doesn't have a soul, she can't paint.
>>719660706>Lune doesn't have a soulHow do you know that? According to some people you don't have a soul either.
>>719640393>Gustave = Verso + Renoirglad this theory is getting more traction.It gives Gustave's life so much more meaning.
>>719653763>This game made me cry several timesi didn't cry, but I felt SOMETHING during the reveal. First time I knew the twist but was still surprised by it.
why couldn't My L just leave the painting once in a while?
>>719634650Because while they're attractive, you can open up any porn website and find girls who are similarly attractive or even more so. The story is very thematically heavy and the romance aspects are 'meh' at best.They don't fill any niche.
>>719636207shame about the face
>>719660905>being a mash up of two relevant characters gives him much more meaningOne day people will finally settle for the >he only exists to recreate the tragedy of real verso's deathand everything else was a coincidence.
>>719661165>leave canvas>get reminded your brother/son is deadThat's why Aline and alicia didn't want to leave, everything else is their cope.
>>719660706>lune can't create as her creator does>you can't create as God doesApparently you don't have a soul.>>719660905That wasn't at all what I was saying. Gustave's greatest purpose in my opinion was showing what painted people were capable of - his understanding of the way the canvas world worked led to creating the lumina converter, a technology that made painted people capable of fighting the strongest creations of painters and even painters themselves (even if dealing a killing blow still required a friendly painter). He's what should give aliciafriends hope that painted people may some day ascend their constraints, he represents Lumiere's potential.
>>719661165She's immature and deluding herself. Her behavior is why Renoir is right. Aline and Alicia would rather kill themselves while feeling happy than face what happened in the real world and use painting as therapy after confronting and accepting the loss of Verso.
>>719661165She suffers extreme physical pain because of her injuries even when she breathes. The painting is her relief from it.That said, the game takes place post 1905 and morphine was used by the mid 1800s so I have no clue why she couldn't just take morphine to deal with the pain when she's not in the canvas.
>>719661793>extreme physical painNowhere this is mentioned, people just assume it because she can't talk.In fact, she never says it hurts even once.
>>719661715anon she's a cripple in 1900s parispeople didn't know how to face loss and continue forward back then
>>719653567That is legitimately an honest argument and the one both Renoirs make. The people who cope by saying "they aren't real!" just don't want to deal with the implications of what they are doing.
why didnt verso just walk out of the room that was on fire? the door was clearly open. and how did the writers make alicia start a fire inside their own mansion anyway??
>>719661905She DOES mention that it hurts but I think people playing up her pain are doing so in bad faith. She has multiple motivations to stay in the canvas but they all pale in comparison to pretending she didn't kill Verso.>>719661957People have been facing loss for as long as there have been people and used to face it much more frequently than we do now.
>>719662010Stupid bitch decided to start writing because she wanted to prove her mom she was talented too.
>>719651615To be fair, this is her only chance to live normally at least for a while. In the real world, half of her face is burned, she can barely breathe, early 20th century medicine will probably turn her into a morphine addict, her sister and mother hate her
>>719662143>her sister and mother hate herYou should actually play the game in full if you actually think this.
Who the fuck cares whether lumiere is real?they're already dead at the end of act 2
>>719655231The very fact that Renoir, the one who is trying to kill them all accepts and understands that they are in fact people should frankly settle the matter. He could very easily just dismiss them completely, but instead takes responsibility for his actions, he just considers his family more important than their lives. Why do people find it so hard to admit?
>>719662216Replay the last Renoir battle. Her mother helps her not because she loves her, but because she can finally get rid of her.
>>719638980Who is Pedro Pascal playing? Monoco?
>>719662235But you can unkill them. They're only dead in a final sense if you decide they are.
>>719662906>yes, that stale as shit chroma and alicia's imagination will surely bring back everyone from lumiere as they were>this is the same girl who can't even give them different clothes
>>719662143To be fair, everything is her fault. If she just listened to her family, Verso wouldn't have died. Clea had every right to blame Alicia. But some of the blame also has to go to Verso for sacrificing himself to save Alicia. His death is the final catalyst for everything that went wrong.
>>719661793kek your understanding of morphine
>>719662906>They're only dead in a final sense if you decide they are.You realize this means the fate of an entire world is on the hands of a grieving emotional 16 years old?If she can kill and resurrect at will, what's stopping her from going full retard?
>>719661905Fire hurts, anon. Like, really really hurts
>>719634934>a 16 year oldyou could have stopped there
>>719649947Shiiiiiiiiiit this gif scared the shit out of me
>>719635156I'm betting at least 80% of those are Morrigan, who has an incredibly sexy model in Inquisition, ugly game or no.
>>719662143>To be fair, this is her only chance to live normally at least for a while.She can paint another canvas.>her sister and mother hate herHeadcanon
>>719662906>you can unkill themClea wont and Renoir won't, it's ambiguous as to whether or not Alicia even can. Aline might but Verso stresses how important it is, when bringing back specific individuals, to understand the essence of who they were. Aline and Alicia didn't know any of those people outside of a small handful.
>>719646225Clea isn't a villain. She's the goddamned hero of the story. She's the only Dessendre that's competent, sane, and alive, and she's trying to keep her dysfunctional family together in the face of adversity.
>>719638980Kek
>>719663835>saneno anon.i agree with the rest of your post, but she's grieving as much as everyone else.
>>719663624Why did she make painted Alicia inherit real Alicia's injuries?Why does she set Maelle's head on fire when you first reach the monolith?
>>719647498Verso was one of my main damage dealers up until the 90s when he finally fell off. He was outdamaging everyone except for Grade S Verso until the final dungeon.
>>719663835>keeping the family together>do whatever the fuck you want I'm out>also fake verso keep an eye on my retarded sister
>>719663624>Her sister and mother hate herClea literally gives her a therapy session as soon as you complete the endless tower. She is the only person in the story to actually give her proper advice on how to live her life.
>>719636371>unfortunateluck had nothing to do with it
>>719664276TO BE FAIR, Maelle recreated her, she probably gave her some verso-related brain damage.
>>719653509As sentient as AI. Gommaging all of Lumiere is like "killing" 1,000 active instances of ChatGPT. No amount of instances of ChatGPT are equal to the value of one non-tranny human life. You could kill a trillion instances of ChatGPT and you'd still not be a murderer.
>>719664213>do whatever the fuck you want I'm outShe never said this or implied this. She just threw Alicia into the painting to help fix the mess she caused. Clea realized her father was incompetent and her mother was insane so she needed to throw a curve ball in to destabilize the status quo and get both of them out.
>>719664157>Why did she make painted Alicia inherit real Alicia's injuries?Because she was being a huge bitch and created the lumierens in the grip of the worst tragedy of her life.>Why does she set Maelle's head on fire when you first reach the monolith?She burns everyone's face except Verso's, her treasured dead son she escaped to this place to pretend she could still live with.
>>719663994Grieving =/= insane. She shows a healthy way of grieving. She doesn't nearly kill herself to make the pain go away, she faces it like a (wo)man and heals gracefully. Aline went insane, Clea just suffered.
Everything in the story is Alicia's fault. Dumb fucking cunt. I didn't hesitate a goddamned second when it came to choosing Verso's ending.
>>719663835>and she's trying to keep her dysfunctional family togetherShe's not, she says she just wants Renoir back, and only because he'd be useful in the war. She's also unnecessarily cruel in the canvas and certainly had the power to help Renoir kick Aline out, but didn't, because she's emotionally attached to the canvas, too. She can't admit how she feels because she's fucked up by Verso's death like the rest of her family. She's not doing well. Regardless of Alicia's responsibility for Verso's death, no one that's feeling good mentally would talk to her that way.
>>719664257It's shown that Renoir does too, and enourages her just to try something, and that if she takes the step, she'll fly and do great things. Only Aline is ever a cunt to her and even then it's in the wake of her son being killed because her daughter fucked up, an unthinkable scenario for any parent.
Does any side stuff explain who the writers are? They spent so little time on it in the main plot that I thought I skipped a cutscene or something.
>>719665570No.For a game that really wants you to care about a dysfunctional family, it doesn't actually tell you shit about their background.
>>719665570No, because the nature of their conflict is not relevant to the plot.
>>719665143It's funny how verso had to burn himself just so she gets PTSD and stops.
>>719664839If Chat GPT was forged by magic, and contained part of a real human soul.
>>719665674Because their background isn't relevant.It's a family of magical painters who had their son killed by an opposing faction, that's all you need to know.
>>719665696>the reason why literally everything in the plot happens is not relevant to the game
>>719665279She says she wants both Aline and Renoir out of the painting.>Unnecessarily cruelVerso died only days prior to the events of the story and her whole family fell apart. Her retarded tramp of a sister got her brother killed, her mom went insane and is dying of copium, and her father is trying desperately to save her mother. She's hurting, yes, but she's staying strong in the face of all the adversity and keeping things going in the real world while keeping an eye on the painting. Despite losing Verso, she doesn't try and cope by living her life in the painting. That painting is one she helped create, too.
>>719665873We know the reason why. You're asking for details, which are irrelevant. The story of the game is the at-odds desires of the painters and the lumierens, not the painters and the writers.>>719665906Yes, unnecessarily cruel. She claims she doesn't give a shit about the painted people but goes out of her way to torture her painted self and her painted self's bf. She says she wants the conflict to end but did not bother taking any direct action against Aline despite being a terrifyingly powerful paintress herself, She says she wants to tip the scales in favor of Renoir, but does not remove Aline's most powerful asset (painted Renoir) and relies on roving mindless nevrons to slowly bleed out the Lumierens. She says she doesn't care about the canvas, but the lady of sap reveals otherwise. She says she doesn't care about Alicia getting painted over in the canvas, but goes back in specifically to task Verso with looking out for her. She's all over the place because she's fucked up like the rest of them.
>>719641872Yup, Maelle lewd mods totally don't exist, and I'm not using them right now.
>>719634270She was made of paint
>thread dyingVerso did nothing wrong
>>719638980Holy fuck these faggots can go to hell for what they did to the ginger and asian. Like fuck did someone have a dumpy retard fetish on that pick?
>>719669409you must know that that's not real
>>719669579Of course he doesn't. He's a fucking idiot.
>>719649224She's going to be the Mr. X stalker villain hunting writer shotas within their pages
>>719665570they'll probably expand on them or even have the family be the focus in the sequels i'm sure
>>719672557>have the family be the focus in the sequelsgod I hope not
