Why do people hate on Windwaker?
it was right after majoras mask. people were expecting another weird or mature game. not this "kid" game.
>>719635317>lgbt art style>shit dungeons>t(r)oon linkevery nintendo franchise went to shit starting with the shitcube and cubie zoomers will attempt to gaslight you into believing otherwise
Triforce quest is boring paddingMediocre dungeons and there's not many of themThe ocean is 99% empty and most tiles feature a tiny island with a single collectable The Wind Waker is underutilized and changing the direction of the wind is a lame power The ending of the game, Ganon's characterization and Link's likability keep it from being a trainwreck, but it's also the only thing people still talk about this game for since the rest is unfinished and not very good.
>>719635317people saw a demo beforehand that was OOT 2.0 and got this instead. WW was still great tho
>>719635550>lgbt art styleExplain
Toon Link is best Link desu
>>719635317>Lust provoking image>Stupid time wasting question
>braindead combat>can’t explore the world at all until half the game is over>get a sacred goddess pearl for shooting a hole in a wall>reefs>triforce quest>the return to FF is just a tennis match and a staircase to helmorac king, then you’re done>cannon on your boat is practically worthless(sharks) and you can’t even see where you’re aiming without wasting shots>having to play the command melody 2-3 times PER ROOM in the earth and wind temples>the fire temple is literally just a 3 minute job around a central pillar and a block switch puzzle a 3 year old could solve>have to watch the grapple wraparound animation every single time you use the grappling hook>aiming the mirror shield is a gigantic pain in the ass >every sub is just a copy pasted monster closet>YOU LEAVE ZELDA ALL ALONE? WTF???>final ganon fight is so braindead that you literally can’t hurt him at all except with the counter or Zelda’s light arrows stunning him, and the water flooding the chamber doesn’t matter
>>719635317The Triforce quest was just so tedious I dropped the game there. Not a fan of the art style either
>>719636309Also>PoH and a bottle being tied to a fucking beedle boat shop, no puzzle or anything, just GET RUPEES, LOL>some of the islands aren’t even walkable, like three spire island just taking up a square on your map>guys zoras had to evolve into birds to survive the great flood, they can’t survive in salt water, NO IGNORE THE MAP FISH SWIMMING AND JUMPING AROUND SHUT UP>its easier and faster to farm feathers, bracelets or the other thing then do the stupid “quests” to receive them as chest rewards>braindead combat already trivialized by how easy it is to get grandmas soup
Do you remember where you were when you first found out about wind waker? I first saw it in an image in the 2003 Nintendo Power that had pokemon ruby on the cover. I thought it had to be some kind of practical joke.
>sailing across the great sea>want to change directions>have to stop>pull out wind water>play Wind Ballad>unskippable sequence of it playing twice>have to select wind direction>another unskippable.cutacene of the wind direction changing>finally after a 30 second process I can now turn around>repeat any time I must change directionImagine every time you wanted to change directions on Eppna you had to stop and play Epona's Song in order to get her to turn left. Its fuckimg maddening.
>>719636582You just buy a bottle in plenty lf Zelda games, that's not really a valid criticism
>>719637289In twilight princess you buy a bottle to introduce you to the concept of lantern oil. In WW it’s just there
>>719636763nintendo website had screenshots and trailers
>>719637375You just buy a bottle in ALTTP too
>>719635389Zelda should have leaned on the weird elements more, Twilight Princess could have been something completely different, maybe Wind Waker 2's original concept could have filled that.
>>719635317When was the last time you played the Wind Waker? Hm? The initial stealth dungeon is horrible. The pacing is benign and the AI pathfinding that lock Link up in the jail cell sucks. And this is coming from a returning player. But whatever, you push through and finally get the King of Red Lions sail and you're forced to enter the dragon roost island dungeon. Another easy dungeon clear, you change the wind, so naturally now you think the game "begins"? But no, you're not allowed to explore the open world, forced into the Kokiri dungeon. Now surely you must be allowed to even backtrack to other islands?"Sure". But the weather is now a storm and night time, so residents from major islands won't even be outside which locks you out of many NPC interactions. And you're still not allowed to really explore. It takes getting the bombs and meeting Jabu Jabu to actually getting some degree of free roam but you still need the fast travel song so you might as well do the third dungeon while you're close. In total it takes 3 dungeons and 7-8 hours before the game eases up.In contrast Twilight Princess eases up after the 5th hour/1st dungeon clear. Majora's Mask is reigns free after getting the ocarina/tutorial cleared. The Wind Waker's problems have only just begun, because there's very little content left to do and the islands are all barren and pointless. In the initial hours you already met the biggest islands with people in them, the rest are all pointless. The Great Fairy just gives you the ice and fire arrows, no questline required. You constantly have to feed the fish merman which is a repeat action/animation over and over to map the world. The Wind Waker is a tedious fucking game in its original format and slightly less in its remaster form (which is still the shortest 3D Zelda game by content). The real reason is Wind Waker fanboys like OP are just diehard graphic obsessed whores.
>>719635317A lot of people were immediately filtered by the art style and never gave it a chance.
>>719635317I love the art style and aesthetics of the game but it's extremely let down by the gameplay.It's just so much slower than previous games and the stuff you actually do is much more simplified, everything from basic traversal to the combat just --feels-- worse.>>719637375What even is this complaint? The amount of bottles you get for basic rudimentary tasks isn't that low.In OoT two of the bottles are locked behind picking up chickens.
>>719635317It's clearly unfinished.
>>719637951Why don't you feed me bait 40 fucking times, fast travel then change wind 100 times, and al those animations are unskippables. The triforce quest is not tedious at all in TWW, having to sit through the merman and bait mechanic to have the world map is some evil Japanese dev padding shit.
By the way the biggest "quest lines" in The Wind Waker are the flower shop merchant dude which is just dude fast travel lmao and change the wind, then the photograph which in OG Wind Waker forced you to only take only 3 pictures+play the time of day song 3 fucking times to get the figurine x repeat for everything, and the water seed quest which is the only marginally challenging without the tedium.
an adventurer shouldn't have DSL
>>719638054My favorite bit of Wind Waker padding is having to do that little platforming section with the Octorocks every time you wanna go to Forest Haven.
>>719637881>In contrast Twilight Princess eases up after the 5th hour/1st dungeon clearPraising TP to trash WW is the ultimate sign of absolute plebeian shit taste. I would elaborate but we'd be here forever and I've already been through that in here.
Not enough lolis for these noncesSimple as
>>719638232First you have to kill the 2-3 deku plants that will knock you off. Then you have to do the rope animation twice, which is longer in the GameCube original than the shortened Wii U remaster. And you have to carefully align yourself when doing the rope otherwise you'll jump into the ocean and have to do the humiliation ritual walk back up and repeat cycle. But that's not all, is it?Once you're in front of the deku tree you have to do jump on the magic jump shrubs to get higher and higher, because God forbid you forgot something on the upper part of the island. I'm using save states to replay The Wind Waker not because of the difficulty, but because of how much tedium there is. I even hate having times I said tedium, it is tedious. If you try your best to speedrun through the shitty parts of Wind Waker you end up frustrating yourself more.Say you fast travel and don't wanna change wind direction so you go on cruise speed. Fucking abysmal and you're getting angrier each second you refuse to pop out the menu to remap the baton to use the baton to change the wind then back to the menu to get rid of the baton. Did I mention Wind Waker fucking blows?
>>719635317because they didn't play OOT and MM since they came outMM is way shorter and OOT is even more barren
>>719638054I enjoyed this as a 12 year old but doing it again in WWHD a decade later was very annoying.>>719636763I was on IGN dot com being a sperg and saw the Spaceworld reveal trailer of 'Celda'. I wasn't jaded though, and the music got me hyped.
>>719638884Try the randomizer instead
>>719638971I prefer the OoT and especially MM randos. And for the record I enjoy WW but it's far from my favorite
>>719635317it's just leftover hate from back when people wanted a more realistic Zelda. The only real valid criticism is the amount of sailing in the game, which isn't even that bad and there's even fast travel in the later releases. It's one of the best 3D Zeldas for sure.
>>719639094The MM randomizer is too hardSame with TP
>>719639543TP would probably destroy me to be fair, I haven't kept up with its development. I'll have to check out some VODs later
>>719639638At least there isn't a time limit in TP, MM just boggles the mind considering all the side quests which are often contingent on the 3 day cycleMight try the ALTTP rando, could be worth it
>>719639282I'd argue the sailing is actually fine, the real issue with WW is the backhalf is very clearly just padded and unfinished, HD fixes this a lot
>>719638971I don’t like TWW randomized
>>719639839I have an autistic/encyclopedic knowledge of checks in OOT/MM because I have no life, the time limit is the reason I keep coming back. I'm dogshit at LttP but the randos look so fun, I've been trying to familiarize myself more with the game. I'm the same way with SM, even though I played it a decent amount as a kid. Feelsbananaman
shit waker is always the worst zelda until wagglan sword
>>7196353173 dungeons and game is padded with bullshit afk sailing. Complaints are then dismissed with graphics strawman.
