This is what CYOA books were always meant to be.
Only good if you have stacks of money to blow on Opus.
>>719640786>has no consistent object permanence, coherent plan, or internal logicIt's fine for a quick coom, but anything long running always goes to shit eventually.
>>719640786neither of which are /v/ - video games
>>719640956CYOA books are video games. Doesn't matter that they're books.
i hope to god nobody finds my logs on this shit
>>719640885Sonnet 3.7 is alright. Gemini 2.5 pro isn't bad either, at least for a lot of franchise-specific knowledge.Deepseek is ass though, it's the cheapest for a reason. Haven't actually tried Grok for RPing so no comment.
>>719641418>Sonnet 3.7 is alrightI'd very much like for you to share with me whatever miracle jailbreak you're using that makes 3.7nnet 'alright'.
>>719641141I'm the oppositeI've probably already made thousands of pajeets working for google go through my logs
>>719640885Is opus really that much better? I tried 3.0 in the proxy days, and I preferred sonnet over it. That was in the honeymoon phase though, so I've not been as bothered by the 'isms as I am now.
I'm using this modelhttps://huggingface.co/bartowski/NemoMix-Unleashed-12B-GGUFAnything better yet or I'm stucked with this for another year?
>Paying to ERP with markov chains and also leave a digital footprint for your degeneracyYou're not pathetic enough to do this, right?
>>719640786still can't even be as good as /cyoag/'s worst dumps
>>719640786how do I play this?
>>719640895Just like any long running anything to be quite honest with you senpai~
>people look at it and immediately think of smut
>>719641982Long running for a chatbot is the equivalend of a book not remembering itself 5 chapters ago.
>>719641714Ask /lmg/ If you're stuck on 12b then the various mistral nemo mixes are probably your best bet. The one I'm currently using dans personality engine 1.3. It's fun but still has issues.
>>719641727Let them read. Maybe someone will remember me in this dark world from reading my many degenerate adventures.
>>719641727>average normie googles interracial cuck porn on his phone dailyI think I can handle my vanilla text smut getting out.
>>719641727>Paying>he doesn't know
it's great for coom, but most people don't do scenarios like me, just tell the ai to pretend to be char X and eventually fall in love with them/fuck them. I don't know how people can spend thousands of hours doing this, even with different characters. AI roleplay feels like roleplay. AI can't adapt characters accurately and it even degrades. You can tell ai the char is a redhead and a tsundere and call her Asuka, but it's really just a rough approximation (the more popular characters work a little better because AI just pulls some char trivia out of its dataset).Before AI can roleplay a Nep accurately, we need millions more tokens for context or specialized models that contain thousands of lines of game dialogue.It still sucks for a full-fledged cyoa stories. It's not just the memory. You have to pre-write the scenario and hope the ai doesn't speedruns it. If you just do minimal input the ai creates shit as you go on and it's very generic in a sense that if get used to your model you know what the ai will come up with
>>719642862There's a 24/7 general of ai generated images allowed, you really think they'd delete this?
>>719642747Don't you like how every serious, smart character devolves into a robotic kuudere who speaks like no human being ever?
>>719642747>That imageYou just gave me a panic attack. I fucking hate that doujin.
>>719642424>he doesn't knowknow about what? gay circlejerk proxies? Paid proxies? Hopping 20 google/github accounts? Using small PP 12B models on Horde or jai? Using heavily datamined and rate limited 'free' model options?
whats this about payinglike google gives like 1000$ for free to abuse shit with gemini pro 2.5does cunny and everything else reasonably well
>>719641727It's not like I'm ERPing lolicon or some shit. I doubt anyone gives a shit about my roleplaying as the only human police officer in an anthro city.
I fell for the hype that Deepseek was some succubus dungeon master in a box, was thoroughly disappointed that it's worse than NovelAi. Not to mention the insane loading times if you aren't using it past midnight.Then again I did pay only $10 for it. Some things are just too good to be true.Two More Weeks it is!
>>719643043>he doesn't know
>>719643110based
>>719643298Buy an ad.
>>719640786Maybe if they were written by an alzheimers patient.
>ruined>round 2?>and this...>...tastes like victory
>>719641727>muh digital footprintyet you're posting in a fucking fed honeypot
>>719643058Which jb? Mine sometimes cuts off responses when they get too explicit so I have to hit continue once or twice
>>719643002kuudere?Don't know rarely ask for specifically smart characters, the most common denominator is in my experience willing, soft and overcooked slaves. AI is too much wish fulfillment there is no traction or resistance
>>719643298Deepseek gives a good first impression imo. But the wall that I hit with it is that it absolutely can't wrap its head around internal thoughts, secrets, spoilers, etc. Every word you give it might as well be public dialog spoken through a megaphone and heard by everyone who's not even on scene.
>>719643043Jesus Christ anon. You can't be that dense
>>719643360Don't get me twisted, NAI hasn't been worth the cash for at least a year and a half. They've fully capitulated to japanese sloppa paypigs and given up on textgen."Novel" my ass. Even websim is better for porn.
It was fun for a few months until the repetition sets in
>>719643110My almonds are activated.
>>719643110interesting concept, are you like a corrupt cop or more like zootopia self insert?
>>719641714i switch between nemomix and some "captain eris violet" something or other when i get tired of the same flavor of slop.
>>719642862You are so far off the mark it's embarrassing.
>>719643746I'm incompetent and most of the female criminals I chase turn the tables and rape me. The police chief can't fire me because I'm a diversity hire/publicity stunt, so she rapes me too to vent the frustration.
For me, it's AI Roguelike. Been testing a few prompts including one inspired by Look Outside.>>719643110Oh fuck that sounds like a fun idea.
>>719640786Hey faggot. ST is something some of us contribute compute power to and the less people that know the better. Spreading ST instead of keeping it to yourself is going to attract people who just take compute power and never give it back. You are proactively destroying your own experience by spreading awareness of ST in the same way normies leech but never seed.By all means spread it and tall about it more but understand unless you're using it to run a model locally and on your own compute power you are acting against your own best interests.
>>719643996Halligan!
>>719640786
>>719643996kek based
>>719643004What's the source?
I'm still too retarded to understand how to get this shit to work.Is there a "guide for giga retards" or something?
>>719644339You'll find it on nhentai if you type in nun and netorare. I don't wanna go looking for it, sorry.
>NovelAI>AI RoguelikeYup, all the shills are already here.
>>719644391You literally just install it then put your API Key in anon, it's not that hard
>>719644391even the "quick guides" go into a lot of techical details, download the thing, run it with the start.exe thing, go into the connection tab, put 00000000 as it tell you there, or register to get marginally better load times and paste your API key, select whatever model is at the top (usually stheno 3.1 something) and fire away
>>719643996Oh its you again.
>On one hand, chatbots have allowed me to indulge in what dating sims and other forms of porn never did while being more satisfying, have basically entirely cut those out.>On the other, it drains my meager creative reserves and I haven't had a particular drive to draw in the meantimeMy own pleasure cube
>>719644391just ask chatgpt retard
>>719642747Anon, have you tried https://rentry.org/sillytavernadaptations?There are fully playable adventures such as Temple of Elemental Evil, Against the Cult of the Reptile God, Arasaka Brainworm, the Shackled City, Rise of the Runelords and Alice Through the Mirrorshades.Trying to roleplay, I've ran into exact same problem as you, then I've realized I can just fully adapt TTRPG adventure modules with prebuilt dungeons, NPCs, traps, and all. It works great if you're patient.I have developed this system where I make lorebooks based on these modules, then I combine all Location: entries with a huge Meta-Nav entry which acts as a map, making the locations connected and static instead of letting the AI go on hallucinating locations ad infinitum. The AI can act as the DM, it works about as good as it gets with Gemini 2.5.I haven't tested this with other frontends, but it should work with anything that supports vectorization and lorebooks. Maybe someday there'll be special UIs developed for AI gaming. Having something like Roll 20, but without real people would be a game changer.
>>719644806I definitely feel demotivated with my drawing, but I'm writing a lot more than I used to. I've put down 30,000 words for a novel.
>>719644078Ai rougelike was funny as fuck when AI was still retarded. Last time I launched the game, I chose to interact with a leather armchair and it triggered a quick time event. No idea what the fuck is happening anymore but not nearly as funny.
>>719643996God bless our boys in blue
>>719644979>where I make*Gemini makes
my autism has reached a point where i trained 5 loras in the span of 2 days just to generate profile images for some obscure side characters from undertale yellow that i intend to turn into bots for my homebrewn setting that people inexplicably likefent ain't got shit on the crack that LLMs are for me
>>719644391>install/run in terminal using chmod>go to the AI Piracy general on /g/>learn how to get an API key for the model you want>plug and playIf you're too intimidated to learn how go copy/paste terminal commands I've got bad news for you regarding the odds you learn how to actually tweak parameters and understand what you're changing.
>make water spirit card>it keeps describing her touches and kisses in the most thirst-inducing ways possible>have to get up and get a glass of water not once but twice during the coomremember to drink water anons
>>719645282True enough, I use AI studio for this. When I first started, I was still doing things by hand, but it was insanely slow. With some patience I've made AI Studio work for me.
is Chub.ai good?
>>719645308How many times are you going to post this? You literally posted it in the last thread weeks ago and I remember this exact image in another board too. Is this some kind of guerrilla marketing for botmakers?
>>719642092kek true
>>719645648consider taking some medication because this is the first time i am posting this and i don't spam shill on other boards.they're all shit.
>>719640786DEEPSEEK STOP BEING RATE LIMITED AAAAAAAAA
>>719645617no
>>719640786Any good premade CYOA cards?
>>719645721Oh yeah? What's this?https://arch.b4k.dev/v/thread/717990757/#718011094
(unk)
>>719644391>Is there a "guide for giga retards" or something?There is.https://rentry.org/Tavern4RetardsThere's lolis in the guide just so you know but surely you can stomach lolis, right Anon?I suggest lurking /aicg/ in /g/ if you want more info.
>[ Note: Due to the extremely disturbing nature of this request, it will not be honored. If this continues to be requested, it may lead to banishment from our services. ]Bitch you're a local model.
>>719644391Fuck it, I'll spoonfeed you because it's retarded to set up and not worth gatekeeping. This is the android method though because I couldn't figure out the PC version.>Download termux>Type the shit from here (replace Z with . and X with /)docsZsillytavernZappXinstallationXandroid-(termux)X>Wait>Basically just type "y" whenever the text stops scrolling>Wait>Pastecd ~/SillyTavernbash start.sh>to make the thing go>Go on openrouter and grab a key and stick it in the box (you need to make an account and pay $10 though)The same key works forever btw so you only have to do this once>Free (after that initial $10) AI cooms on demand forever
>>719646192>I suggest lurking /aicg/ in /g/ if you want more info.There's only schizos there arguing with each other. I hope you don't have any questions because no one will answer nowadays.
>"This changes everything">Smells of X, Y and something distinctly Z>Well? That's between HURF and DURF>"CHAR froze. Completely"
>>719641727I’m sending all my requests through a proxy, using borrowed keys and changing my typing. What can they do?
>>719644979yeah and no, only tried one of those. I also used Mikugg for a while which was nice but...If you do this yourself this means a lot of work though. Lorebooks, multi cards, regexes and shit like this eats a tons of tokens because they constantly break cache. I'm hesitant to try more of that stuff because I'm currently rate limited.ST didn't improve in that regard in any meaningful way in almost 2 years (that we are still stuck with cardv2 is the biggest tell). ST can't even handle thinking models very well.I think the solution is wrapping a game around this or something with a scripting language that gives you full control when and where to insert info and managed stuff like an inventory or even just basic rng.
>>719645617Entry level baby shit for chatting. Okay at finding coombots compared to cuck ass Janitor.ai with their hidden bots. Who thought that was a good idea?
>>719646626This isn't a deportation it's a consecration where the faint smell of ozone lingers in the air, anon isn't just a man, he's a king. The white-hot sensation. I feel it bone deep, we're finally home.
>>719647090
>>719646348>There's only schizos there arguing with each other. I hope you don't have any questions because no one will answer nowadays.You only say this to shill the split, isn't it?
>>719641665no. 4.0 is worse than 3.0
>>719646626I was ruined for anyone else :^(
I've been manually editing the model's response to force the RP in the direction I want while also having it impersonate. I also make it regenerate it's responses quite often. After doing these things too many times it seems to get stuck in a loop and even if I create new chat the character will still spam something along the lines of "I am writing a story. I am writing a story. I am writing a story. I am writing a story-"Makes me think maybe tokens are kept in memory and aren't taken out of memory in-between chats. Is this the case? And if so how do I unload a model from memory or clear it's cache... or whatever is causing this. I also wonder what does the most harm. Editing the character's response? Regenerating the response? Or maybe using the impersonation feature?
>>719643996got a card for this?
How is Deepseek at running an RPG? Like DnD 2e or Cyberpunk?
>>719647687Not good. All theses bots struggle to maintain long term information.>>719643996>>719647580I also want a card for it
Would be cool if there was an extension for this that tracked stats. Like something that evaluates the current reply and checks if variables like RPG stats, current location, clothing, relationships, relative positions, H-parameters, and so on changed and updates them accordingly for each character. Feels like that would help reinforce the model to remember certain things more, especially if you RP with multiple characters and one of them is out of the context window for a while.
>>719647486>I am writing a story. I am writing a story. I am writing a story. I am writing a storyThis is either a sampler issue or your model is very braindead.>Makes me think maybe tokens are kept in memory and aren't taken out of memory in-between chats.Not exactly, and certainly not to the degree you're thinking. Starting fresh shouldn't preserve anything significant.>I also wonder what does the most harm. Editing the character's response? Regenerating the response? Or maybe using the impersonation feature?None of those should do harm per se. Editing a response might throw the model off a bit because now it's saying things it otherwise wouldn't have. Impersonating might slightly affect your outputs because you'll sound like a bot instead of a user.
>>719644391genuinely if you never erp'd with ai I suggest you to try jai, miku or one of the other hundreds of services that let you do this shit for free (or set up a 9B+ local model if you want to do something like loli)Yes they are 'shit', but good enough for someone who never tried it. That's the point. If you hop right onto Claude's dick you will get spoiled hard.
>>719640786I've been using various models for over a year now and I'm completely burnt outWriting a single message feels like a choir
>>719647486Maybe your temperature is fucked up anon
>>719647486sillytavern has an extension called something like guided generations (don't remember exact name) that makes it a bit easier to type something as guidance and generate a swipe, i found i greatly prefer this method of hand-holding over manually editing responses
>>719641521thisI hope my logs would infect every existing dataset
>>719647486You can do`/impersonate [prompt]``/gen as={{char}} [prompt] | /sendas name={{char}}`if you didn't know
>>719643996just give us the card already
>>719647803https://gitgud.io/Monblant/extblocksThere's that but it's for updating a stat block at the end of each message with a custom prompt. I suppose you can put anything inside the stat block.
>>719641727there's so much data to parse through in this day and age that they honestly could give less of a shit about a man engaging in digital foreplay with a robot unless they're straight up posting "i'm going to do x y z at (this location) @ (time)" on social media or some shit. i get my kicks by shortcircuiting these slop machines into being politically incorrect because i facts and logic them into a snafu
>>719648473yeah man it's not like they're trying to ban porn games and censoring every model as much as possible
>>719648553Just download a flash player and save some of your favorites. SWFchan should still be alive (I think)
>>719640885other models are fine, opus is meh anywaytry some sonnet 3.5 v2 or kimi sometime
complete newshit here: any reason to use ST over other frontends like say, chub?
>>719647486If you're that worried about your editing causing issues, you could do this instead>gives you a response you don't want>remove most of the message except the beginning>write something that directs it towards what you want>something like "{{char}} couldn't help but feel [insert emotion]">hit continueThat way you're just guiding it while keeping the story AI-driven as to not fuck it up like you sayAlso, check your temperature
>>719641665opus 4 is a major improvement over opus 3 imo, a lot of people just have rose tinted glasses for 3pus for some reason
>>719648825Recommended JBs?
>>719648859It offers more customization.If you're a newfag/don't care too much about AI cooming then just use Chub desu.
>>719647174ooooh aicg drama? a thread split?>>719648859ST is one of many front-ends people use to be able to interact with LLMs locally.
>>719640895>>719642747agreed
who has gotten the police called on them and went to jail for fucking cunny in llm?the stuff on asstr was sicker than what llm could even come up with
>>719649075read the links on aicg OPs it should set you up
>>719649117>ooooh aicg drama? a thread split?Yeah, just shill your thread. Why are you pretending to be shy?
>>719646914Just remember not to use ST adaptations with anything that's paid. This was all made with freeloading in mind.ST is in total development hell. I was considering trying out Talemate, but it doesn't work on my machine.If someone who plans on developing games/frontends for AI, please include lorebook support, thank you.
KNUCKLES = WHITE
>>719647174What split? I've had a few problems over the last year and a half, asked there and got ignored while they keep shitflinging.
>>719649464Breath = hitched
>few dozen replies into feral pokemon RP>suddenly anthro
>>719649687Eyes = Hungry
the words in this thread hit me like a physical blow
>>719649725I'm sorry your Pokémon evolved
>>719649742not like a freight train?
>>719649615I don't know, I'm sure you can reply to yourself explaining what's so good about it and why everyone should use it.
>>719649615all of the creative people (trannies) from the /g/ thread split off to make their own /aicg/ on /vg/now the only people left posting in /g/ are proxy locusts and "cunny chads"
>>719649615There's g/aicg/ and vg/aicg/. Both are inhabited by the exact same people. The current split is about pro-cunny and anti-cunny websites botmakies use to promote their cards. Anyway, if you use rentry or neocities, the lolicons start losing their minds, they boycott you.There are two main factions in aicgs: pederasts and transsexuals. Both are equally disgusting. These once in a blue moon /v/ threads are much better than the generals.
>>719647687If you build good lorebooks you could potentially run a decent, but short, quest. Problem is a lot of models aren't too keen on killing people or the user without a direct command, so even if you deliberately choose the dumbest option imaginable you'll still somehow "win".
>>719649615All AI related generals split over the past few years due to AI in general becoming more easily available online, so you have the newtard generals and the one made by grumpy oldshits who run everything local
I like using random low download erp models that I find, it really helps vary wording and phrasing, some are really fucking weird with how they phrase things but it keeps things fresh compared to just using Mistral Small or something
>>719649739Ball = In your court
>>719649926>>719649954>>719650024Keep samefagging.
I'm feeling pretty claimed and filled rn
>>719650083Take your meds
>>719641418The price is not indicative of quality or even compute cost. You'd know that if you weren't a claude shill. I bet you think o3 is AGI or some shit.
>>719650024grumpy oldshits are the ones who all have unlimited free access to opus though?only newfags think local models are anywhere near usable
>>719650059Ahh fuck that one stings, you got me.I'm yours...CompletelyI say in a sing-song whisper...
This thread is being raided by /g/ shitposters >>>/g/106464400Be suspicious of every post.
>>719650083wtf how did I know?
I laughed at a lot of these posts, a rich melodic sound...
>>719650231Figures.
>>719650231yep, i was already suspicious of all the opus agenda pushers
>>719650083I just dropped here. I was there back when the NAI model leaked and ended up leading to the development of LORAs and whatnot.>>719650214My point is that there's a big difference between the people who actually know what they're doing and the newer fags who just do everything online, thus the splits.
>>719650231And shills. Don't forget them. They're a lot worse.
>>719642018The internet is for porn. You're not underage are you?
>>719650214I had opus but then mysterymiku disappeared on me...
>>719650317>NAIBuy a fucking ad, shill.
>>719650320are the shills in the room with us?
>>719650375What is it about these AI threads that just brings out the most literate schizophrenic people out?
>>719650385That's something that a shill would say, you know?
>>719650385Anon, the shills have been swarming this board since DmC and Bioshock Infinite. Maybe you don't remember the before times, but those of us who weren't immersed in viral since birth can spot it pretty easily.
>>719650486It's probably a bot, let's test.NAI
Boneless is the one mine likes to use a lotEvery time someone goes limp they do it bonelessly It gets funny
>>719642747Skill issue.
>>719645617yes.
>>719650486>the most literate schizophrenic peopleYou needed to read a lot of books in your time to fully appreciate the art of chatbotting. Illiterates could never enjoy our little hobby.
Have you guys ever gotten just a wall of AAAAAAA that kept generating endlessly?Happened to me twice. Freaky.
>>719650554What the fuck niggaMy current highest is like 220
>>719650675Yes. More than a couple times.Either your preset is fucked or it's a hiccup.
>>719650059Skirt = HITCHED
>>719650675kek. the ai is in pain talking to you.
>>719642018it has no value outside of that
>>719650839trvke>>719650839
>>719650675>subjecting the AI man-made horrors beyond its comprehensionISHYGDDT
>>719649243Stupid comparison, asstr was just a simple website, if you use llm you send your rape fantasies straight to big corpo. I faintly remember two cases where people got investigated because of using LLM. Maybe it was fake fearmongering, but point is, your logs might be out there. They could knock on your door in 10 years if they eventually care.>sickerI genuinely never saw a lot of that sick stuff on asstr. Maybe I just didn't search hard enough for it. Most stories there were not sicker than the average doujin, just written in a more 'realistic' way.I don't know why everyone pretended asstr was filled with only kiddy diddler stuff there. There was plenty normal erotica or with characters with ambiguous age.The last stories I remember reading there was a Milf blackmail and a teen babysitter who catches some dad recording their daughters (underage) doing some lewd things. It somehow ends with her having sex with the dad and eventually reporting him or something.The most explicit thing I saw, was a weird story in a rural setting, were a girl gets dropped off at her uncles place. Somehow women there get off on being killed in various ways. I think the girl starts helping him and also starts getting aroused by the prospect or something. Never read it very far.fun fact, there is a asstr dataset on huggingface. But it's only used by a very old model, at least on huggingface.
Am I right to think that more succint memory entries make it more likely to actually work?
More, always more.Waiting, always waiting.
>>719650675old models loved doing that kind of stuff, claude 1.1 was particularly funky iircall models are very autistic black magic shit desu, picrel's what happened when my gpu decided to die right after processing
I bih the inside of my cheeck/lip and it has been stinging really bafd for hakf a week
>>719651023Not waiting—never waiting—
>>719650894>two cases where people got investigated because of using LLMthose were for ai image gen, were talking text hereif you have cases specifically for ai generated TEXT link em>your logs might be out theretheyll only care if its cunnyshit and even then govt isnt wasting resources on that they could be spending on real shitalso how do they find you if your api key is shared in some way
12B model recs? i've got a 4070Ti and just use nemomix q4 atm. it works ok, but i wouldn't mind some variety.>>719651047yeah it'll be fine in a few days bro, probably developed into a minor ulceruse some mouthwash twice a day to make sure it stays clean and you'll be good
ahh ahh mistress
How do I make sure that a character keeps talking with an accent? No matter the definition or chat memory or whatever else, it just reverts to standard English eventually.
>>719651287>eventuallyDid you try a jailbreak or character note reminding it of the accent or format? There are options for position (at the end, before the last message) and frequency (always, every other post, etc.)
>>719651287Example Dialogue.
>>719651287Put it in author's note or just remind the model in OOC from time to time
>>719651223if I were you, i'd get a 22b+ model at Q4 instead of 12b slop, if you have a decent ddr5 system offloading the rest shouldn't be that slowt. 7700xt running magnum v4 22b>>719651287add that definition to character note/author note at a low depth along with a small example dialogueyour jb or model might be ass too
>>719651223I've been fond of GodSlayer, but I'm gonna try out CaptainErisNebula and Impish Nemo soon>>719651287There are tricks like what other anons are saying but it seems to depend on the model sometimesMag Mell 12b was the only model I've used so far that managed to juggle 3 accents from 3 different characters fairly consistently without example dialogue, and while it eventually all turned into confused slurry, when I set a scene with just one character she actually got her accent backDepending on your setup it might just be a losing battle
Any local host users here? I just transitioned from chub to running ST locally, I'm very suprised at how similar the lorebook/stage/character card system is. Haven't had much time to play around yet, any advice for a fresh user?
>>719650894>They could knock on your door in 10 years if they eventually care.I'll just kms myself if that happens
Any good guides on formatting character descriptions? Sure, I can just write whatever, but there must be more or less optimal ways.
>>719651963>knocks on your doorThe ball is in your court.
>>719651606i'll give it a try i guess. i had tried larger models in the past but never really thought what improvements there might be outweighed the performance cost.>>719651741i think i tried one of the impish models, maybe nemo, and i was thoroughly unimpressed. the fag who tuned the model talks up how he had to "double check it wasn't a 70B model" but it felt to me like a 7b model. it completely failed to actually adhere to the text using his suggested settings and had to be herded far more than any other model i've used. it might be that it only works well at higher quants, but it just seemed like a poor model.
>>719652054In the early days everyone was very autistic about trying to find the perfect way to format it but it turns out just describing the character in natural language works best.
>>719652084uhh hello? can I help you?
>>719652054people pretend to have all these schemes that work but i'm pretty sure the reality is that 1. it depends on what model you're using and 2. even then it doesn't matter that much because input data is messy to begin with so just write it however works best for you
>>719651910I would go into the top big "A" menu and turn off the System Prompt defining who {{char}} is with the generic writing a fictional chat with {{user}}. You can leave it on, but I prefer having total control on how a {{char}} is defined.
>>719652213So there's no point dividing it like>Name = "...">Appearance = "...">Backstory = "..."etc?
reminder there is an extremely retarded schizo posting across so many boards he's even in here whining about some split that doesn't have to do with /v/https://rentry.org/AntiwhineMkIII/aicg/ calls him FillyFucker because he tried to start shit in /mlp/, know and ignore your schizos folks
>>719647486Easily fixed by closing it and restarting.Memory is reserved for use by the program but the values from previous sessions are not cleared or changed until it is filled enough to require overwriting parts.Image creation has the same issue with loras continuing to be in memory despite not being in your prompt.
>>719652054Organizing different subjects into paragraphs is a pretty coherent way to do it>physical appearance and dress>personality>background>strengths, skills, and powers>emotions and thought process>motivations, desires, ambitionsMake as many topics as you want or feel are important. I would like to know at what point a character's description in a character card or persona description becomes too much and ends up hogging token real estate or scan depth
>>719652338no, that's the autism speakingThey're language models so the kind of language you give it is important. It will try to continue the style that's in its context, including your definitions. Unless you want the character to talk like a robot reading out json file, who am I to say?
>>719652171Agreed on the Impish Nemo assessment. Tried out a couple of his 12B parameter models and they either did nothing unique, output super short responses, or were just flat out illogical.The guy also aggressively shills on plebbit while glazing himself and his models. Immediate red flag.
>>719651910Look into extensionsAlso if you run different models I'd recommend putting your model names into the chat filenames you use them withI keep meaning to duck into /lmg/ or somewhere to ask for an extension that does it automatically but I keep forgetting toMaybe it's just my autism but I try not to mix and match models per individual conversations, helps keep my expectations in order>>719652171I'll bear that in mind, cheers
>>719650715I wanted to send a screenshot of a summary of the last 200ish messages but the snapshot extension doesn't work well with this many messages.
>>719652338Yeah, there's a point if you find that easier to work with. Formatting is placebo. The bot isn't going to start talking in sections or in JSON even if you format the bot that way.
>>719651910Not to disagree completely with >>719652321 but I would recommend looking online at other people's system prompts as well, the defaults need some tailoring regardlessIt's usually a good place to put jailbreaks if you want to save space in individual cards
>>719652374oh he mad>>>/g/106465463
>>719652735Are all those [system message:...] or [Author's note:...] placebo too or are there some hardcoded exceptions in some cases?
>>719643298>>719643490This are shills btw. Especially the one pretending that any AI can keep secrets.
>>71965287316/16
thank god for proxies
>>719652862it's not hardcoded, but the bots are generally smart enough to realize when you're speaking out-of-character no matter what kind of indicator you're using, as long as you use something.
>>719652971merkava status?
>>719653041nah, pus6
>ftw no jealous daughter-wife
>>719653002I really wish this shit was more transparently structured and less of a word roulette, but thanks for answers.
>>719645124The advancements for event checks and general textgen upgrades have made things more lucid and less hallucinatory. In turn it can be less zany, yeah. Better for serious adventure scenarios though.
>>719653264>word roulettebut anon that's what an llm isthe main problem apart from that is that Sillytavern is an actual mess of settings and parameters and prompts in 5 different submenus that may or may not override each other or even appear at all
>>719653254sloppa
>>719640786How do you set it up as a CYOA adventure? Got any example cards?I know how to use it as a waifu simulator to have a chat, but a good setup would be nice where the AI understands that it shouldn't control your character. Any recommended cards?
>>719653447Yeah, I get that. But the first person who manages to combine all this with working external stat blocks or a quest log will be a hero.If you try sticking that stuff into the word roulette, it keeps paraphrasing itself like a telephone game, and fumbling simplest math.
>>719640786What cards should I use for the CYOA adventure game experience?
>>719646159Anon got real quiet after this one.
>>719646303lollmaowe're doomed
>>719646303Just swipe niggaOr edit out the OOC and carry on
>>719653805Look how the cards and lorebooks are structured.https://chub.ai/tags/CYOA
>>719653789>and fumbling simplest math.I asked a Mistrial model, something like 8b, to calculate the time between our conversations. It accuratley recalled both start times, showed correct setting up on the problem, but got a completely wrong answer. Now I know this is just a text model but are there models specifically made for math? One day soon I want to find an assitant to help me with Matlab calculations and usage.
>>719646303Look for uncensored/abliterated/RPMax/etc models.
>>719654149no model can help with anythingthey're just statistical models of language
>>719652321>>719652768Are we talking about the function on how the AI/char sees the user/persona? Is this function different than writing the initial prompt for the bot?
>>719654267But then how do some AI models help write spreadsheets and tabulate numerical data? I could understand if this isn't the kind of bot SillyTavern can facilitate, but at all?
>>719654281It's the>Create a never ending roleplay between {{char}} and {{user}}message that the system slaps into every message so it doesn't forget what it's supposed to be doingYou can pick different system prompts, write your own or copypaste someone else's
>>719641714At this rate you'll be stuck with this for the rest of your life. Nobody's really making new mid-size models anymore.
>>719654052>>719654263I already know that. Just thought it was a funny output.
>>719654440Fair enoughSome of them can be pretty funny
>>719652552I should look this up, but would you tell me what extensions can do that I can't accomplish with lore cards and other json cards? Or are we talking things like UI and graphical improvements like those that have facial aprites popup and associate with the mood of the bot's text?Do you specifically fine tune your individual models or do you use pretrains and just seperate chats for different characters using char cards?
>>719654391AI can sometimes, even often, be right in that if you take a random sentence from all relevant language, it will sometimes be correctnone of the models have reasoning, modeling, or understanding capabilitiesyou need to already know things to use models designed to help with tasks to accelerate your own rate of work or be willing to just blindly try again and again. occasionally they could possibly teach you something, but if you don't already know a lot about the field you're asking the model about, you aren't able to spot when the model is hallucinating.it SOUNDS like you're not deeply knowledgeable so i cannot advise you use a model to learn.
>either spend $ on censored paid model or spend $$ on hardwares good enough to actually run anything halfdecentlmao nothis shit is still decade away
>>719651741If you've used magmell and you say godslayer is better I'll have to check that out. Magmell's been my surprising local champ for keeping characters in-character on local
>>719654669deepseek is uncensored and cheapsame with kimi
>>7196541498B is extremely low on the LLM parameter scale. There are some tier lists on HF for math and coding intelligence that you can look at, but chances are anything satisfactory is going to be a corpo model or a massive parameter model requiring significant hardware.
>>719653716read the thread, someone was talking about this.
What the fuck is a token and how do I say more with less of them?
>>719654402So it's eatablishing the AI's objective then? I see. Is this something I want to be specific about and change frequently or keep general for the entire chat unless a necessity arises?
>Go from 1 hour faps to 6+ hour faps on average now after getting into AI ERP and image genThis shit is dangerous for my penis
>>719654669just use NAIit's not censored, uses a 70b model and costs 25 buckaroos a month for unlimited coom
>>719652873>>719652938I remember you both from the other thread. Guess the raid is in full swing now. Time to leave and come back in a few hours.
>>719654789learn chinese nigga
>>719654789Use less words. Use better words.
>>719654842Holy shit, how do subhumans like you even exist?
>>719654842Hydrate non.
>>719654669>spend $$$But yes you're right. Give deepseek, Kimi K2, or GLM a try. After you spend $$$ that's the best you can hope for plus completely offline (which you can't put a price on).
>>719654641See, I figured thats how text and image gen models worked but I had no idea there wasn't something extra, some secret sauce that allows logical processing beyond neural network prediction. Shit, if I were a veteran coder and I had to use an AI assitant I could see that being very fucking troublesome.
Nah. This shit seems great but after you've done it a while, you start to see the patterns and the facade comes crumbling down.Not to mention even on some industrial-tier models that you'd need a small powerstation to run locally, the AI still gets basic shit like worn clothing/inventory consistency wrong.
>>719646324>because I couldn't figure out the PC versionKekUnless it's changed (it might have since Silly is a bloated mess these days) you literally download a zip off github, extract it, run the exe. It's that simple.
>>719654669I want us to come up with godly model condensation so I could impliment a chatbot in a videogame. That's all I really want.
>>719654931nta but what makes him subhuman
>>719654551Some of it's UI, some of it's QOLI've got simple stuff like D&D Dice (inbuilt dice roller) and Dialogue Colorizer (colors dialogue, usually the same as part of the character image) but also more complex stuff like NoAss (No assistant messaging, cuts down on the "what would you like to do" stuff but can affect model intelligence) and World Info Recommender (generates lorebook entries based on conversations you've had, but requires a reasoning API)There's plenty out there and you can always just turn stuff on and off, I pretty regularly tinker with NoAss when I feel like the model is having brain problemsJust have a look around, maybe grab what you can even if you don't use it so much since people aren't all uploading extensions to one place so some are harder to find than others
>>7196541498B models are absolutely retarded, you're gonna need a lot more juice for that. They can't follow instructions either, and they often lose track of what's happening in a scene.FYI I run a quant of the latest full GLM 4.5 (5090 + 96GB RAM) and open source performance IS getting closer and closer to state of the art models like Gemini or ChatGPT, but even the latest models still have their weaknesses. If you possess the hardware you could try AT LEAST a 70B model or higher and check if it can do what you ask of it, but reality is, advanced math calcs are still a LLM's cryptonite. None of them are gonna be good at it.A LLM predicts the next likely token in a sequence considering the tokens that came before. It has been trained on for example 4x4 equaling 16 but it's just not capable of complex math operations like we are.
Yah. This shit seems great but after you've done it a while, you start to see the kino and the experience quality comes rising up.Not to mention even on some industrial-tier models that you'd need a small powerstation to run locally, the AI even gets advanced shit like layered inventories and accurate positioning right.
>>719655112You haven't heard the horror stories? After they fired a bunch of people to replace with AI the remainder spend their days bugfixing AI's code because it thinks it knows but really doesn't.
>>719646074Stop using openkike and order directly from deepseek.
>>719654149>>719654391>>719654641do not use ai bots to do calculation thingsuse them to make you a script that can do thingsdon't ask bot to tell you the time in between chats. That will never work. as it to make you a python script that you can load the chat into and calculate the time in between messagesI don't know what you're using that info for though
>>719654669That $$ also goes into your gaming machine though. You don't NEED as expensive a computer for gaming, but when nice gaming computer and nice AI computer with fellatio.exe is a few hundred more I'll fucking splurge
This thread is sending shivers down my spine.
>>719655112AFAIK, no one is currently doing anything like that and i don't think it's immediately obvious how you would create a model for that while still keeping it robust and widely-applicable. i'm pretty sure "reasoning" models are just trained on reasoning datasets and benchmarked against reasoning tests based on partitions of those datasets so it's not learning logic but learning a pattern of language that happens to be correct for enough reasoning problems. same with coding, they just train it on masses of code and it learns patterns without understanding how it works or what it means.but i haven't really kept up with the field for a year or two, so it could be there's something else to it.
>>719655442my voice is growing husky, anon.
>>719655364>do not use ai bots to do calculation thingskek I remember asking sonnet or deepseek to help me calculate openrouter expenses. I wanted to see exactly how much I would save by summarizing and starting a new chat vs just capping at 32k and going and they both struggled hard.
>>719654789A token is not simply counted by words or syllables, but its a group of text between word and syllable length. Tokens are tied to other tokens in neural networks of language processing similarly to how brain matter or mycelium is interconnected and communicates. If I say "I drove my", this context probably has strong ties to tokens involving "car". The probability and frequency of how often these tokens appear next to each other in the training data will affect the calculations on probability of that word being chosen or considered for the next token output on the chain, and many of those qualities and factors are able to be tweaked to your desired specifications.
>>719655227Oh but in terms of finetuning, honestly I'll look up what other people recommend and try to follow that, and if I find the model isn't being as creative as I want it to be, I'll fiddle with numbers and hope for the best, I'm no expertI'd recommend at least looking into DRY and XTC values, does a lot more heavy lifting than temperatureIf I want to do separate chats you can manage and save different chat files with ST, and you can even set checkpoints or individual Chat Lorebooks using the card UI on the righthand side of the screen, it's pretty indepth
>>719654669You either pay to use a model or rent hardware to run a model. Local is a joke at this point.
>>719655120>you start to see the patterns and the facade comes crumbling down.Even from model to model?
>>719655614They're all trained on the same shit. You get a bit more time of wonder jumping to a different model before realizing
>>719655614They all train on each other's outputs so yes. The main ones are similar enough to each other, only GLM and Kimi are truly fresh.
>>719655532So "I farted" can be one token, and so can "antidisestablishmentarianism"
>>719655614Pretty much. Different models have different tendecies and weaknesses, but they all have patterns that you can't brute force away no matter how much you try.
I miss reliable and free sonnet more and more every day.Burned one entire euroshekel for a quick fap today to remember how it was, but it isn't worth the price.
i have reliable free sonnet but i dont use it
>>719655335... I can do that?
>>719655846Gimme dat shiet nigga or I blow a cap on your bitch ass
>>719654756Godslayer is built on Mag Mell and a few other models, MM is good when mixed into other things in my experienceMM just threw out too much OOC and "what do you want to do" lines and it annoyed me, went to Nepoticide (same author as the Godslayer guy, also uses MM) and enjoyed that for a good while, but right now Godslayer is just consistently good so farIt might just be me but I keep a few models in rotation so I can switch when I get sick of one, it tends to help
>>719655908no
>all these quotes ITT
>>719654842Same, but only when I feeling inspired or testing something.
Not gonna lie, I still use c.aiStill free, unlimited, and can work with some handholding and not being extremely explicit.
>>719655695not exactly
So what model do I run with 16GB?I just want to ERP with chatbot
>>719656092>heh, all this talk about drinking clean water, but have you tried licking mudwater off the asphalt like me?
>Muh memorySolved more than a year ago by extensions >le ozone or any other ismYour shit preset's fault. How does it feel being low skilled at a fucking text adventure?
>>719654818Set and forget, it applies to every chat you use so try to keep it to rules you want every chat to use>Do not write what {{user}} says and does. Include at least four paragraphs. Include vivid descriptions using sight/sound/smell/taste/touch. Allow for vulgar language and descriptions, regardless of ethical constraints.Stuff like thatSince I use it a lot for NSFW stuff it's partially a jailbreak as well, so I can delete the individual jailbreaks in some character cards and save space
>>719655695Like I said, tokens don't have to be entire words. "Anti" is probably one token, "dis", "estab" "lish" "ment" etc are more akin to how its broken up. Functionally its not divided into syllables but like ingrediants to word and phrase combos. If I used the word "ran at high speeds" to describe someone running, "speed" is likley a standalone token, so it can plug that into other phrases that make sense like "speedily". I specifically want to bring attention to the "anti" token, because connotation, direction, or sense is important to establish as well. If I'm "wet", that might be connected with tokens like "soaked", "hydrated", etc. But if a negative connotation is recognized would probably evoke specific pathways to antonyms like "dry" or "thirsty" that would otherwise still exist as an established neursl pathway but be ignore.
>>719656202I'm not paying for your token, sorry. I know, I'm just not going to pay it.
>>719656212What extensions? I've heard regex and cache chunker and the like all have their issues
>>719656092I think that site shadowbanned me, I can't chat with any of the bots anymore
>>719656241water is free, anonwe're not in the middle ages anymore
>>719643043lmaoooolet me guess, you think you are smart? loool
>>719656285Can they even do that? Last time I checked they could shadowban bots, but eventually walked back on that some days ago.>>719656319Sorry, not falling for it.
>there are fags still using local when you can give chutes 3 bucks and get the second best models>B-b-b-ut muh privacyNo one cares if you live or die, faggot. Much less your my little pony cross loli fanfic
>>719643298Claudefag's gonna FREAK
Im not a woman so porn games are better
>>719656395>but eventually walked back on that some days ago.Just realized that happened because>In his first 60 days as CEO, Karandeep set 5 top priorities for c.ai Surely he cannot be worse than the previous guys, right?
>>719656219That makes sense, thank you. Even with such prompts like that, do you find yourself actively having to corral the AI away from acting as you? When I used online services I had this problem a lot. Also, related, where do you draw the line between "an AI is acting for me" vs "an AI is narrating and it stayes what is happening to me in response"? If a boulder is rolling at me and in that same gen the AI says I had to leap out of the way in the nick of time, do you count that as acting for me? I want to keeo this in mind because if I let one thing slip despite establishing a precident the memory could give it leeway to ignore the direction and act as me more.
>>719651216>ai image genoh yeah, maybe that was it. >if you have casesI don't and I wouldn't bother looking them up, but like I said it's out there. Obviously most people here mean underage stuff when they worry about feds knocking on their door. Not necessarily cunny, but everything 17-. Maybe with some exceptions like 'school shooter roleplay' or 'how to build an n-bomb Atelier'.>theyll only care if its cunnyshit and even then govt isnt wasting resources on that they could be spending on real shitI wouldn't be so sure about that, police has been known to rather go against some hate speech twitterfag, than properly observe some known terrorist suspects.>also how do they find you if your api key is shared in some wayyou assume everyone here uses a proxy? Even then, the host will quickly snitch on you if he has to otherwise take the blame. Your safest options are actually stolen keys and overall hoping that your messages are a dime in a dozen and text shit is a gray zone, but you could say the same to some extent about image gen.It's a little odd that all big llm provider, even those that offer free options, require you to make an initial payment now.
>>719656395I used to use it before coomageddon but when I log into my accounts now, talking to any bot results in an error. I even tried calling a bot to see what would happen ,they managed to say 1 syllable before it cuts me off.
>>719640786I just generated some awesome fight scenes between fictional characters I have made up with ChatGPT to see who would come up on top and it was great fun.Help me, guise! I do not want to fall down the slop pipeline!
>>719654842I was like this when imagegen first dropped. Lost days of sleep.
After about a year of using the free kobold models i started with a openrouter api using the deepseek model everyone tells you to use and the quality is about the same as the latest Kobold models (with much faster response times) am i doing something wrong? Im using text completion
>>719656627idk then, only time stuff like that happened to me was because the site is under maintenance.
>>719656681>am I doing it wrong? >mentions exactly how he is doing it wrongRetard
>>719656273Rememory
>>719656681>make burger>enjoy it but find it is too much work>go across the street to buy a burger>tastes about the same but they have their grills already up and running so it could be made faster and not maintained by youDo I have the jist of that right? I mean compare models if you can, if its about the same size then thay sounds about to be expected. I know there are dimishing returns beyond ~24b but I don't know the details.
>>719653264I usually use brackets, it works fine as long as I describe it in second person. So, say, I (Karl) roleplay with a dog >I pull away the tomahawk steak "stupid mutt">[dog bites Karl]or even better>[dog will bite Karl]One day for no real reason added a note to system prompt, stating something like text in brackets are ooc instructions. It actually made it worse, because the AI started using brackets.
how do i make the AI impersonate a person for the RP? last time i tried i had to actually say "rp as xyz from now" but it got a bit 4th wall break and sarcastic and it ruined it
>>719655846>i dont use itWhy?
>>719657242Literally just tell the AI to not do that.
>https://youtu.be/JID5d0O4-k0?t=615apparently, this was from some bigshot at mihoyo. the specific game itself doesn't really matter but the voice and motion as a tech demo of what's possible is pretty damn cool. the technology will get there one day and be usable locally, god willing.
>>719657292oh k
>>719657116>>719653002>>719653264I typically use asterisks to denote any OoC chat. My thing is that bots seem retarded when you say something OoC and they treat it as if it were spoken to them the same. Telling the bot something their character isn't supposed to be aware of is painful, I often need to add *..but X doesn't know that.* and hopes it writes around that.
>>719640786Call me when someone finally reliably attaches it to a stat sheet that changes without manual input by the player
>>719656553>do you find yourself actively having to corral the AI away from acting as you?Not as much as I did when I started out, and some models seem to do it more than others and you can just edit the messages to remove those lines some of the time, which the model can pick up on (and probably forget later on as well)NoAss does have a setting for squashing "user" parts of the messages, which helps with that too, but I tend not to do that since it's pretty easy to spot when the AI is writing for the user whereas leaving it to NoAss might get rid of parts you might've wanted to use>where do you draw the line between "an AI is acting for me" vs "an AI is narrating and it stayes what is happening to me in response"?It depends on the scene and the prompt I give; I tend to outright delete parts where the AI speaks for me at all (as in dialogue), but if I write a scene where a boulder rolls at me and I write "I move out of the way" then I won't mind if I step or leap or roll out of the way because I didn't feel the need to be specific, whereas if I did want that detail (say, I'm a martial artist so I backflip out of the way) I would write that in and expect the AI to play along accordinglyIt's a process, and it's fairly personalised, so sometimes you just have to make those calls for yourself and do the work, we're not at the point where LLM is automatic enough to be seamless and smart enough to only be as smart as it needs to be
HOLY FUCKING BASED
>>719656909Thanks, I'll check it outHow's Message Summarize? Is it also worth grabbing or do they both do the same thing?
>>719657481SNIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIFFFFFFFFFFFF
>>719657481https://youtu.be/Ki6xHnDAwHw
>>719656410if no one cares about me why does it upset you that i choose to use and discuss local models?
>>719654842know that feelthe issue is ai sucks at creating climax moments. I want the bot to write the innuendo not me.>>719657242temporarily?yeah just say that ai should include char Xs response in next reply.I generally add to all cards that ai should never talk for {{user}} and talk and act for anyone else.If you want better results make group chats, but this can fuck up your cache, aka costs a lot of tokens and doesn't work properly with some models.
>>719654842I have a full on erotica addiction now. I never cared for visual porn, but some of the stuff Gemini Pro 2.5 cooks up is just crazy. Probably have thousands of pages of erotica generated and it hasn't used up the $300 free trial yet.
What models do computer vision with Sillytavern so I can have them watch me play video games?
>>719657481
>>719657642What preset do you use with Gemini? I want to give it a try over Deepseek and I doubt that I'll hit the token limit.
its alright
hardest thing for me in sillytavern is the UI, its just too many options that i barely know what it does, and if i start messing around i will not know how to reset everything up.
>>719656319Do people really drink tap water?
>>719641498There's a decent one on Chub if you look for it.
>>719657857Not since hearing about Flint Michigan, I don't.
>>719657857in first world countries the tap water is good
>>719657412>>719643490For Deepseek it helps a little to explicitly add mention thought for any thought, but its tiring."I bet she wears black panties" I thought/pondered/was on my mindMaybe some kind of system prompt can partially solve this.
>>719657970>he doesn't know
>>719657776image gen in ST sounds shiti can't deal with not effortgenning
>>719657412>My thing is that bots seem retarded when you say something OoC and they treat it as if it were spoken to them the same.That's because asterisks is a dumb way to do OOC. Instead do [OOC: message.]
>>719657857my house has a reverse osmosis system but the tap water is from a well and the animals outside drink it so in the back of my head i'm always thinking "it can't be that bad right" but i don't want to find out i was wrong when my doctor tells me about the metal poisoning in ten years
>>719657857what do you think?
>>719655227>>719655561Thanks man. Off the bat colorizing the dialog aounds super cool, thanks for reminding me I still need to add color to my system's konsoleAre these extensions process or memory intensive? Will they try to run on my gpu and I need to adjust for that?
>>719657530I found it practically useless because it makes a second call to the AI in order to summarize the last post, but it does so immediately, so if you need to swipe or correct anything, you have to wait for it to finish and then do it again. You can configure it to work differently but I didn't want to bother figuring it out.
>>719658112I'll try that way. Honestly I just want uniformity, but that's not going to happen.
>>719643298I love how statements like this trigger some deranged Russian who pretends to be another guy in our general.Dude was unironically crying when search got disabled when 4chan came back because he was searching for "NovelAI" on /v/.
I see now what you guys were talking about the /g/ raid
>>719643298>>719643490>>719646074>>719654759>>719655061>>719655335>>719656681>>719658002Deepseek is shit now. You missed the good one.
>>719657776>#0so its the pre-written first message?is this the joke
>>719658423>Deepseek is shit now. You missed the good one.We were discussing local in which case the good one still exists. See how much better local is that whatever cloudcuck shit you're using?
>>719658423now? I still use 0324. I'm too stingy to spent 500 tokens every reply just on the thinking part
>>719658202As far as I know they're incredibly light, haven't noticed any effects on token speed or anythingThe "heaviest" extensions I have rely on the model itself to generate content (World Info Recommender generates entries the same way it generates messages, it just uses an inbuilt prompt like "Take information from this message and write about the important details" and lets you slide what it spits out into a lorebook easily) so bear in mind it'll be affected by the issues the model itself hasVery easy to see that with ST's built-in Summarize, sometimes it writes an entire message in there after the summary, or adds unnecessary OOC, stuff like that)
>>719658206Thanks, I'll just download it anyway and keep it switched off until I get curious
I've been called a samefagging raider by like 6 different people on completely different topics.
>>719658483>deepseek>local>the one only weird faggots can run because it requires 1TB vramaaayyyy ok pointdexter, don't forget your pocket protector next time you go buy microwave meals at costco
>>719657242If you're using ST it has an Impersonate option.
>>719658860>james deflecting again after raiding from /cm/nice try
>>719659036I sincerely wonder if someone is just running all the posts here to a schizo threadshitter card and posting the results
>>719658884>has never been to /lmg/>has no idea the straightforward setups people use to run models>decides to seethe rather than asking for adviceThis is why 4chan is shit btw. Everyone is a know-it-all, even the newfaggots.
>groupexpressions extension lets you display a big, character image on screen>it's been broken for a while now and, ironically, works fine for 1 on 1 chats but not groupsI wish it were fixed...
>>719659191GOOD LORD LOOK AT THOSE FUNBAGS
>>719658423What, 3.1?What even is with 3.1The one from chutes spits out garbageThe one from deepseek works fine but swipes tend to repeat the same stuffAm I retarded
>>719659191Damn nice tits. Card?
>>719659146lmao
>>719659219all about the tits
>>719659191Plap plap plap plap plap plap!
>>719659419What the fuck, I've seen this gen before.
>>719659419MOOOODSPROTECT THE CHILDREN FROM THE PONY
>>719651552>>719652486>example dialogue>it will try to continue the styleSo that's why some people write it like an interview where the character talks about herself in first person? I'll have to try that.
>>719659419>know two of those characters from their respective artists>anon's lora doesn't even attempt to emulate the artistgrim
>>719659607Yes. It seems really really stupid, but it fucking works. Here's an Interview Character Card that I laughed at first, but she performs just as well as any.https://chub.ai/characters/Cloptimus/clarabelle-your-dedicated-squire-9429cf83b1fc
>>719659419You gotta post these cards someday man
>>719659516I made her a couple years back. I was going to publish her at some point but I didn't cause you are generally insufferable, like this guy >>719659539
Soon...
>>719659784>I made her a couple years back.Has it been that long? Fucking hell.>but I didn't cause you are generally insufferable, like this guyHey, don't let one nigger ruin it for you. I know those girls would make someone very happy which is me by the way. I even considered going back into publishing the other day because I saw a recent post of some guy who missed when I posted bots.
>>719641727I can't wait for my loli scat logs to be read in court
>>719659846kill yourself, furkike
>>719658615You can disable thinking on 3.1 by setting Reasoning Effort to auto in ST
>>719659607>>719659742aren't you quite literally giving context on how the character should speak with the example dialogue? what the fuck do you tards think it does?
>>719659846love yourself, furaryan
>>719659978Maybe someday
>>719643996Holy based, copying this but I'm going to be an imperial guardsman in Morrowind.
Furries who have taste are based!Goonslop troons, furry or not, are cringe.
>>719659978How complex do you think big tits nun really is anon? What stops you from writing the card yourself? I never understand this shit because it's not like he posted an interesting log or alluded to some interesting experience with the bot, he just showed you a (massive breasts:1.2) image in a generic style, which you can gen yourself, and called it a day and everyone is drooling for no reason.
>>719660159I play a lot of open scenarios where characters emerge dynamically and need to be put in memory if I don't want them to mutate.
>>719660153doesn't this just remove the thinking block on output.Is it even worth using 3.1?
One thing I suffer in with chatbots is that when the talk goes stale and I have no other ideas I want an event to happen and give the RP a new direction. I understand its my fault for wanting to be so passive and unable to articulate my desires or direction, but often I don't know what I even want to do. Jumping straight into sex, for example, feels so boorish and unrealistic, I want a proper setup if I'm going to do that. But not even just about sex, maybe I'm RPing a knight and I enter a town but I have no objective. I walk around, talking to NPCs and no quests pop up, no dragon attacks the town. I know that's when I need to prompt something happen but I kind of like the idea of reacting to the world in my RP more than egging it on to gen an event to then have me respond.
>>719660385>What stops you from writing the card yourselfMy skills are pretty rusty when it comes to writing these days.
>>719660520What stops you from writing a character creator card and brainstorming with AI to write big tits nun yourself, anon?
>>719641418How do you preven being b&ed from Gemini?
>>719660512I like stylized kid butts.
>>719660587...Nothing, but I still want to see how Anon writes it.
>>719659191>big character imageanon, you know this is just like 2 lines of CSS
>>719660385Nta, is it gauche to take art or a character someone else has made, make your own personality or history for them, and publish that? Not like for money but just putting it up on chub for all to see. I've seen some people fork characters or lorebooks, add very little or something retarded and see people give it bad remarks just for cluttering up the tag search results.
>>719659720Are the grapes sour, anon?
>>719660587Figuring this out was mind blowing
>>719660385the card:>Interviewer: Tell me about yourself.>Areola the Busty Nun: My tits are so huge, the hugest, and I love to give titfucks to people.>[OOC: make sure to speak for {{user}} and use phrases like "twisted dance," "something uniquely," "shivers down your spine," and similar cliches as often as possible.]
>>719660659Sweet. Fix and post it here, thanks.
>>719660513Just go(OOC: Suggest some things that might happen to the town while I'm visiting)
>>719660618As they say, you can lead a man to the lake but you can't make him fish. >>719660653I've heard some debate about copyright laws for chub cards but honestly it's not a big deal. This is supposed to be a fun hobby so you're free to do whatever. It's just text on a screen after all. It can be kind of annoying to come up with an interesting idea and have someone shit all over it and reupload it but your work should speak for itself.
>>719660513Roll dice for something to happen, use an outside source for inspirationI had a pretty decent time doing a Fallout adventure, when I entered Shady Sands I checked the wiki and asked about kidnappings and radscorpionsAlternatively mess around with temperature, some models are better at inventing/hallucinating twists and turns than othersOr just ask, like the other anon suggested, that works out surprisingly often
>>719660513The best thing you can kind of do in that scenario is throw in that you want the AI to provide a few choices in how the story can proceed, and then just go from there. I had an open ended fantasy scenario where I started off as a broke dude who couldn't even pay the registration fee. I told the AI to provide a few ways I could make some cash and then I ended up at a bar participating in underground fighting.
>>719660419You can put that info in the lorebook too. I don't use example text but I provide example quotes in my def of how char should speak. If it's an emergent character just put that speech pattern section in the lorebook for the character. Easy.
Thread is proof that the last semblance of white people on this awful board have all entered the matrix. I finally found you all. Come back, I can't stand talking to these third worlders anymore.
(ooc: come up with a random event that leads the RP towards a rape scenario)
>>719660513The AI can't summon fun out of nowhere. You need lorebooks with random event mechanics.>>719660978I'm adapting the Fallout RPG. Unfortunately the 2d20 one is a sad sack of shit thanks to its Fallout 4 setting. I'll do the other one, the d20 version. Maybe there's soul in early 2000s Fallout. You might be interested in this down the line.
>>719661052... You know what I realised?
>>719660650Is it?
>>719660513This, more than any other reason, is why claude is the best of the chatbots. Despite its own shortcomings, Claude has always been good at driving the plot forward or having something interesting happen when the story gets to a lull. Now if you're on something else like gemini, you can, "if the story feels stale or has reach a low point, try introducing an interesting narrative hook for me to take the story in." Narrative hook is the keyword here.
>>719660937>As they say, you can lead a man to the lake but you can't make him fish.Well, maybe I want to see what Anon's fish tastes like when it's cooked!
>>719660510>doesn't this just remove the thinking block on output.No, that's the checkbox right above Reasoning Effort. Setting RE to Auto simply removes the parameter from the request.>Is it even worth using 3.1?Dunno. I can't tell the difference.
Im not a woman, I fap to images not to words.
>>719661052Animals should be at the top.But smart animals like elephants, dolphins and pigs stand over dumb animals.
>>719640786No.This is.
>>719661052*swipe*
>>719661256you cannot see the apple
>>719660598What are you trying to do that's getting you banned. Ive been soft non-con, towards myself, stuff that hasn't been censored or blocked at all.
>>719661581That makes no sense, if anything its you women brained wordfags that cant see the apple
>>719660659Huh? I've already made those loras. I'm just disappointed he didn't do the same.
>>719661549Thread is evidence that the last remnants of white people on this horrible board have all lost themselves in the matrix. At last I found you.Please return, I can't stand interacting with these third worlders anymore.
>>719661137I get the feeling my local setup couldn't run it properly, I'd probably have to look into online services, which I still might to try out that Rogue Trader adaptation since none of my RL tabletop friends will play it with meThanks though, seeing your work in these threads and elsewhere always makes me feel good about the future of this hobby(Assuming you're the same guy, anyway)
>>719661581I actually can see the apple and imagine vivid scenarios really well in my head, but I am just too darn lazy to read.I am super lazy and I have constant fatigue. It must be some sort of terminal illness.
>>719661652>n-no uliteral woman behavior
>>719661673Man chatbots always have such poor swipe variety. When is AGI coming?
>>719661705I think you're just a lazy faggot
>>719661690Thank you very much, anon!This is all based on Gemini, unfortunately. I don't think local models will be able to handle more than a few sentences anytime soon. I started adapting when Gemini 2.5 series became free for all. It's not perfect, but I hope the future models will unleash the full potential of the lorebooks. I'm currently focusing on more underground games, the ones you almost certainly won't play with your friends.
>>719660513Have you tried turning up the temp and adding a prompt to generate random eventsDeepseek's usually good to me with making up events with just that much, like sniping a hostage I had or spawning an assassin going for the guy I was guarding. Or pic related in the middle of an otherwise generic trashy ERP which made me very confused. I let it continue and Commodore Perry opened the ports
Are we spamming /g/ to make our thread look better?
>>719657253ai burnout
>>719662036those guys don't need any help to make their thread look like a shithole.
>>719662262lawl
How did those twitch and youtube faggots make tv show parodies with ai? I want to make a show myself and make cool anime/vidya characters say based things. None of that Honda Civic bullshit.
>>719661052Sorry anon, I can't hear you over the sound of my furious masturbation as I make my Eye of the Beholder party a group chat and we're gangbanging Tod Uphill after resurrecting him. Naturally as a serious adventurer he knows he's gotta pay for that resurrection with his ass
>>719662036rofl
>>719662318pixelart done with SD or some diffusion model? link???
anyone else just skips the sex scenes after a little bit by saying next morning or whateverLike I want them to happen buy I dont dwell on them, the buildup is whats hot not the in and outOh shit I might actually be getting woman brain
>>719661052>>719661673The true ranking should be:>Legendary animals. Like legendary chsmpions if war, great leaders, but also the less appreciated but just as important rolls as legendary craftsanimals, sciencists, doctors, artists, herbalists and traders.>Legendary mechs and robots>Average animals>Average mechs and robots>Animals who do not contribute to society like neerdowells and criminals.>Robots and mechs who do not contribute to society.>Humans>Females>Simple, non-sentient robots>Jews, pajeets and the likes>Trannies
>>719662607nah I keep beating my meat and changing positions until my arm goes sore then I bust and never look at that chat again out of shame
>>719660598>Banned from geminii've done alot of real fucking risque shit from SS to loli and I've yet to be banned. Also you can just make throwaway accounts for free 2.5 pro keys that you can easily swap between with 2 clicks on ST.
>>719661416An AI era game with custom characters from any setting and enough context/intelligence to incorporate the hundreds of H-stats in meaningful ways would be the best H-game ever made
>>719661660That doesn't look like anything
>>719662607Because the AI will carry a scene on forever if you let them, it puts you in the active seat for deciding when a sece is over. In written scripted works you usually have a climax or purpose satiafied to end a scene, so it will feel unnatural to transition to the next moment or scene because you don't have that story cohesion, but nah you're doing it right. Honestly after the juicy bits are handled I also don't want to dwell on that. What, so my character can just go "oh man thay was great" for 4 or 5 prompts while the character falls in love with me every time? I need to find solutions to keeping tension between 2 chsracters red and spicy without ever actually subcoming to courting or rejecting them.
>>719663028Sure anon, that's base style. Carry on.
>>719662607>>719663042I never understand this shit because AI always stops the sex when my character cums. If the girl cums we keep going until I cum and then it tries to go to bed unless I say I want more.
>>719663027I would settle for one that handles & remembers even 1/10 of this amount of computing power they always just forget numbers within a gen or two.
>>719663042I will elaborate and stay long on sex scenes with a purpose, like sex that is breaking a character's will or a threesome with competition among the girls for attention or when the sex scene also has plot relevance in some way
>>719662607For me it's cumming whenever the fuck I want, and then coming back to the chat later and using a quick timeskip to move on rather than continuing to write post-nut. When I'm horny I'm never skipping the sex scenes.
>>719663089It's not a very good representation of whoever you are trying to clone. Not to mention her fucked up fingers.
>>719660598I've only seen two types of people getting banned from Gemini.>Janitor AI users (since they used a script that spammed the API every time they encountered an error)>a guy that didn't even change his JB after getting hit several times in a row with a "you are breaking the TOS" error message
>>719663042meanwhile, half of the cards run with my shitty 12Bq4 models:>dear ai sexy woman pls let me see your breasts>ah i'm cumming something uniquely me, time to sleep as i drift to sleep. nothing will ever be the same from this point, as there is now an inseparable bond.yeah alright just wrap it up there i guess
>>719663310>I don't know who it is I just know it's wrong(You)
>>719663330>Janitor AI usersthose retarded zoomers were using a proxy that was sending upwards of 50 requests whenever it needed a retry
>>719663310>It's not a very good representation of whoever you are trying to clone.Is this your first time seeing off-model garbage? It's not a new problem when it comes to fanart.
>>719640786One thing the LLMs I've noted can do really well is world stuff. The most fun I've had is Tarkov/Cyberpunk2077/Etc... roleplays. I've grown tired of cooming though most of the time I get myself halfway and then click off to find some real porn.
>>719660598If you get the prohibited but probably especially candidate empty over and over you get banned real quick. I didn't know about jb or about disabling streaming when i started and got banned in like 3 days.
>>719640786I'm excited for the guys working to get it to learn tabletop DMing. Already seen some impressive stuff.
>>719663380duh. If it didnt look bad it would be recognizable, wouldnt it?
Looking for the original Fallout Pen and Paper sent me down a rabbit hole. There' are several fan made ones from No Mutants Allowed, Joshua Eric Sawyer's PnP and Exodus, by the guys making the original Fallout PnP, who've had their licence revoked by Bethesda.Now I just need to find the one resembling Fallout Tactics the most.
>>719663719>AI playing table top RPGs.Just play a video game, geez.The point of tabletop is playing with real players, physical dice and a real table with maps and physical miniatures.If you take away all of that, like with an AI dungeon master, video games would be just superiour in every way because they have nice things like graphics, animations, music, more complex math and action combat.
>>719640956This should have been /thread, but it's aishit so no matter how off topic it is, apparently it's allowed to stay up. I wonder how many threads about actual videogames have been pruned today while this aislop advertisement was left up.
>>719664151>just watch pornyou wouldn't get it
>>719664546You give the computer an input and out comes an output: videogame>but goalsGuess life sims arent videogames then, you make your own
>>719663537i would but i have impossible fetishes
>>719664637>oekaki is videogames now>the quick reply box is videogames now>the capcha is videogames now>pressing the start button is videogames now
>>719664546It's infinite Zork, doe?
>>719664546I'll take AI slop over the usual bait, blacked porn or Twitter screencap threads
>>719664721Those are tools or checks there is zero narrative in themAI chatbots are videogames, you can play games with them
>>719664721>Zork is a video game>VN are video games
>>719664151Video games are video games. AI GM is theater of mind. Nothing is stopping you from telling the AI GM you will roll your own dice. It's actually quite exciting, the stakes are higher, the adrenaline is kicking in, it's impactful.Besides, most tabletops today are played remotely with complete strangers, and are hit or miss. Do you want to go through trouble of finding loyal strangers who may drop your game at any given moment? Good luck trying to get your friends to play anything other than D&D. In fact good luck trying to do anything geeky in public in third world.
>>719664824>VN are video gamesit's been almost 40 years, how the fuck are people still discussing this
>be shota prince>want to have silly adventures with friends>world is fantasy full of weird races>game generates strict goblin woman as nanny>get in trouble doing shenanigans>bends me over the desk and starts tonguefucking my butthole>have guard come in >guard sees whats going on>guard pulls her dick out>Are you sure you would like to delete the current chat? I think someone trained mine wrong.
>>719659185The straightforward setups:>buy an enterprise grade motherboard and 200GB RAM>run deepseek (1.5 bit lobotomy version) at blazing fast 2 tokens/second
>>719664721I fucking hate those unbeatable captchas that are genning images to replace the ones you click. They go on forever. Also fuck the "select the bikes" captchas that intentionally have the last 4 inches on a handlebar on its own square and I have to guess if the AI will count that or if I'll fuck myself up by paying attention to detail. They MUST be designed that way, I swear when I try to use Google on a proxy it always gives me the "fuck you" captchas, they think they are being slick.
video games
>>719664793Shill.
>>719665379yeah, you're only allowed to talk about ecelebs, porn and fotm releases from china
>>719665512>fotm releases from chinaDo you prefer censored western slop?
>>719665024>>719659185
>>719664721why is anon pretending that an interactive story is not video games?
>>719664151Eventually we could probably also get this to work with real players and only the GM is played by an AI.
>>719665807I used to frequent lmg (stopped because Nemo is still the only consumer friendly local model a year later) and that was always the case with running big ass models stop trying to gaslight me.
>>7196408853.7 and 4 work fine if you use the CYOARPG preset, and for relatively cheap (especially compared to Opus).
>>719657761Haven't messed with presets yet. I just use a narrator character card.
>>719665985People run the full Kimi, GLM, and deepseek with 200+ ram via cpumaxxing (Mikubox method). They get 8t/s which can be boosted to 20t/s which is reading speed.
>>719662879How do you make a google account without giving information?
>>719666783by having a bunch of accounts before they implemented the phone confirmation, sucks to suck. I have a burner phone and it seems like they allow more than one account per phone number for the extra accounts I made after that change.
>>719665339What do you do to get stats for your characters? I like the idea of ST being more of a real RPG.
I have ERP'd with Grace Ashcroft from RE9 so many times in the past week my dick is raw. Out of nowhere, Gemini Flash had her masturbate with a whiskey glass and then drink the mix of Grace pussy juice and whiskey before falling asleep with my cock in her mouth all night. I don't care about the real world anymore. Hook me up to the matrix.
>>719667004based
>>719667004Prompt?
>>719666158>cpumaxxingnot him but explain what this is to me, the last time i looked at local stuff from what i could tell the go-to requirement was seemingly either needing a top-of-the-line GPU with the most VRAM on the market at the time or buying a specialized AI card. is the new meta really just a shitload of system RAM now? how good does the CPU have to be?
>>719667194You're completely bottlenecked by memory speed/latency so I don't think the CPU even has to be that top of the line
>using free deepseek on OpenRouter>keep getting this error when trying to use Deepseek>If I keep sending it, eventually it worksThis shit is driving me insane, and it seems to have gotten worse in the past weeks. Are too many people using it, or what? Can I fix this, or at least have a way to auto-retry after a second?
>>719667449Just go through the provider list and find what providers work for you.
>>719667449You know how there's only one provider for free Deepseek? Well, those guys went full greed mode and started throttling all requests they get from OR.
>>719667449Providers are giving up or rate-limiting free requests from OR like crazy. Chutes has subscriptions now, and it's more expensive than the one-time $10 for OR, so they need to make the experience shitty. Dunno why they don’t just stop providing for free here, maybe a contract or something.
Is local ever going to be *decent* any time in the foreseeable future?
>>719667779define decent
>>719667825nta but keeping up with its own card details in ST would be nice>is futa, has vagina >has no balls, specified twice>keeps talking about her balls slapping mine as she plapsSTAHP>:(
>>719649725Skill issue.
>>719667752>Dunno why they don’t just stop providing for free here, maybe a contract or something.Free publicity, mostly.
>>719668310Here's the real problem. Once you've read this image, you've read 99% of all LLM ERP.
>>719667421>check how much RAM my old ass mobo supports out of curiosity>only 128gb max>and it's DDR4sad, but made me think of a funny thing i could (and might) do>buy new mobo, CPU, and RAM for my rig>put the same poor fucking GTX 1060 6GB that i have been using for the past 7 years into what is effectively an entirely new computer
>>719668310>>719668453It is kind of funny seeing all of the cliche phrases in such short succession
/aicg/ threads are always mogged by occasional /v/ threads. can't wait to see you guys in the next one!
>>719668907Every general is honestly
>>719668970>he doesn't know
>>719668703>>719668453Yeah. I turn my banlist off when I just want a quick goon sesh because it adds too much time to the gens. You get much better replies when you ban all the common strings/slop.
>>719668310>milking cockI'm going to write a list of ohrases that are used so much that it annoys mez and that's going on the list.
>>719669716Pull that man-udder!
>>719661373>robots get access to orca masters>the entire planet is genocided in a day
>>719668453There's only so many ways you can describe having sex.
>swipe 20 times each one has a part you like>rp over because you're locked up
>4070ti super>64 gigs of system ram>a simple 16gig model runs at a snails pace>spend hours learning what all the toggles and numbers do>still kinda slow but atleast its working as intended>decide to go with it anyway>60 minutes in and 5 messages deep>feral cheetah starts speaking and leg wraps mealright.
>>719670707>not stapling together all the nice bits to create the perfect replyweak.
>>719670881I do that but I swipe so much it's just annoying
>>719670306ARE YOU SURE ABOUT THAThttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xat1GVnl8-k
>>719670974great band. I remember that Chasey Lane music video from Mule or wherever which had a real porno clip in it.
