is there any way to balance snipers in multiplayer shooters such that they're both fun to use and fun to fight against?
>>719648121No.
>>719648121just counter snipe
>>719648121>I can't aim
>>719648121Not really. "Snipers" are best turned into "Scouts" or "Marksmen" with semi-auto rifles and some kind of mechanic that allows them to spot or detect enemies and rewards them handsomely for doing so, armed with medium range weapons that have low-power scopes. Sniping is not fun unless you are drunk or high, and being sniped at is never fun.
make them raw projectile and give them astonishingly low DPS compared to conventional weapons so they're actually just for picks and outright bad at everything elseOR give them reverse damage falloff so they're actually reverse shotguns and almost auto-lose at close range instead of being skill cannons that work everywheremaybe you can have bolt action carbine variants that kind of do the opposite (falloff prevents one shots) if people want the skill cannon playstyle
>>719648121force them to use slow weapons with tracers, heavily punishing imperfection and forcing them to play more dynamically instead of just camping.do whatever's in your power to prevent people from quickscoping and all that gay shit. give incredible sway and blur if you're moving too fast, give the sniper low stamina, whatever. the fact that a marksman weapon's 1shot kill capacity can be abused at close range is a crime by the developer.give better vision/scouting tools, allowing players to spot snipers from afar and call an airstrike if needed.
>>719648121Can't aim while moving.
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>>719648121Red Orchestra 2Heavily limit the amount of snipers that can be on the teamProblem solved because there will be 2 sniper faggots at best
>>719648121>It's 8pm>you finished homework>you're on MW2 quickscoping with the boys>shit on all the boomers with sub 1 KDHome.
>>719648121TF2 already has balanced Sniper Rifles, the issue is that retarded faggots (see: Soldier mains) refuse to play anything but Payload where maps are designed with massive sightlines because they have to be in order to make room for the payload track. You can bitch and whine at me all you like but it's the simple fact of the matter. Go play a mode that doesn't suck mega donkey dick and you'll see that Sniper is significantly easier to deal with.
>>719648121You don't have to do anything to sniping itself, just make smoke grenades good, create good maps and have a counter in place like armour, arty or mortars.
>>719648121cs has skill expression with them and a very high risk if you die with an awp.EFT bolt actions are very deligated to long range shooting or really cheap ways to lob an m80 in someones face.
>>719648121You can never spawn with them, and they're a resource to obtain on the map. People figured this out nearly 30 years ago.
>>719648121CS2 does it by making the AWP expensive, low mobility and cheap utility like smoke nades counter it.
>>719650905And dying with it means the enemy now has it.
>>719648816This. Nothing else needed.
>>719648121>1 shot kill only to the head>bullet drop and projectile physicsthis is the easiest way to balance them. Planetside 2 did it right this way and you pretty much never died to them unless you were a shitter that would stand still in the open.
>>719648121vehicles
>>719648751I think snipers should be allowed to be stealthy and all of the modern day stuff to make them more visible has made them less fun to both play and play against. All of the ridiculous giant condensation trails and scope glint lens flares just make it feel more oppressive.
People bitch and whine because they got killed by some guy across the map not realizing that same guy missed 20 other shots on them in that same match.
>>719648121Don't make it objectively the best weapon in a good player's hands, that's pretty much it
Make it so that if I see the guy and am actively shooting at him, its not possible for his shot to register as a headshot.If you want to stand outside of danger to take as many shots as you need, you'd better make it so that the other weapons can reasonably suppress him as they approach or duck to cover.
>>719650249 The CS-style risk-reward setup is legit, especially when the AWP turns into a double-edged sword-lose it, and now the other team’s got the cannon. EFT is funny in that either you’re playing sniper elite with full kit or it’s just some rat chucking budget bolts through dorms praying to the netcode gods. Honestly, I kinda dig the bipolar nature of it though-makes sniping feel like its own mini meta instead of just another pick on the loadout screen.
>>719648121Yes there is OP. I have in fact many great ideas to solve this proble
>>719653947Oh I get it, the snipers weren't happy with what he was going to say so they
>>719648121Not really no.
Have only one sniper slot available to the whole team, watch everyone seethe that they can't ever select it fast enough & people botting selecting it so it's unavailable before the map even loads in.
>>719648121for starters make it so you cant ADS a sniper
>>719648121battlefield does it pretty fairly for the most part (BF1 excluded). OHK on headshots
>>719648121>Balance as in allowing cod retards to run in an empty field and surviveThen make aiming take longer and harder to control with realistic physics, making them slow to take aim
