They're never gonna top this. Zelda fans, what has it been like waiting 25 years for something decent?
ALttP is my favourite, but I do agree that MM was the last console Zelda game that actually felt fully like Zelda.
Link's Awakening and Ocarina of Time are my favorite Zeldas. Still haven't played Majoras Mask for some reason. Don't really feel like playing it either.
I just want the Oracle games remade and was both surprised it wasn't the next thing using the Links Awakening remake's system and not surprised it was a dogshit offshoot title.
>>719665216Wind Waker and Twilight Princess were decent even though they didn't top Majora's Mask.
time limits are the coolest mechanic in games and modern devs are too scared to use it
>>719665216> Zelda fans, what has it been like waiting 25 years for something decent?
>>719665216Breath of the Wild is the best Zelda ever made. Even Twilight Princess was better.
TP > OoT = MM
>>719669629nah OoT > MMotherwise correct
>>719669629TP's molasses intro and the bug hunt sections keep it from topping either of oot or mm desu.
>>719665216Topped by Shenmue imediately
>>719669852And yet the stretch of game from Lakebed Temple to City In The Sky is absolute peak.
>>719665216Princess Zeldy has a bad dream: The Game
>>719665216It's somewhat possible if HE returns.
>>719665216>series moving foward is gonna be nothing but BotWslopWhy even bother?
>>719671935Surely the Zelda team is going to use their first attempt with the new formula as a foundation to iterate and improve on. BOTW is eight years old now, there's no way they've learned zero lessons!Surely...
>>719671696Unfortunate that the guy who dislikes zelda is the best at making them
>>719671696It's the best game of all time.
>>719670316This.
>>719665216Needs a sequel. That Link's story needs final closure not just speculation. Complete the OoT trilogy!
>>719672376Majora's Mask IS the closure, Zelda fans are just midwits.
>>719671696Miyamoto kept pestering him too much
>>719665216My Hot Take (tm):I actually appreciate and enjoy OOT more. Majora had a really neat concept and it explores LE DARK THEMES AND DEATH MAAAAN...... But it feels too rushed and one note to me. It just hammers home the same theme over and over and doesn't really bring much to the table beyond being just the most depressing Zelda title.Ocarina has multiple and varied themes, ranging across many set pieces and environments, with better dungeons AND more interesting characters, desu. Ocarina also doesn't bash you over the head with it's themes like Majora and treats the player as smart enough to figure them out through subtext instead of hitting you over the head with them the way Majora does. I love them both, but Ocarina feels more like a true masterpiece to me, while Majora just feels like a flawed gem.
>>719665216>another stealth Breath of the GOD and WIN of the Kingdom hate threadIt's all so tiring.They're the best games in the franchise.You will never get mediocre games like Majora's Mask or Wind Waker, ever again.They don't sell because only a small community of retards liked them.Everyone else wants more of the greatest of all time, two games back to back that outsold the rest of the franchise put together.The numbers don't lie and neither do the (real) fans.BotW/TotK >>>>>>> retro (classic?) "Zelda"Splashing in a billion puzzles for babies and generic dungeons doesn't make them good games.And Majora's Mask is probably one of the worst ones, absolute chore to even touch, let alone play in any serious capacity.
MM is a standalone dlc
>>719672736I'm going to be hiding your post and all attempts at furthering this argument as you are an engagement farmer.
>>719665216>Zelda with the worse Dungeon Designs>BestThis is why people hate modern MM fans
>>719672838Saaar you are hated saaaaaaaaaaar
>>719672809>he can't refuteThanks for the W. Bye!
>>719667207I agree, WW and TP were the last embers and everything that came after was meh. I still maintain that Zelda died together with Young Link.
>>719672615>it feels too rushedyeah, about that
Majora's Mask is the most dandori-pilled Zelda, making it the best.
>>719672838It's the only Zelda game with a dungeon you can flip upside-down, which is kino. Your opinion is shit.
>>719672376Aonuma doesn't have it in him to give the hero of time saga proper closure, only Koizumi could do it and it would take a miracle for Aonuma to step down and let him take the reins.
>>719673809>Koizumi loves coming up with great stories>put him on Mario>Aonuma is a gameplay wanker>put him on Zelda
>>719673809Koizumi wouldn't take the reins even if offered. Miyamoto had to drag him kicking and screaming onto MM.
>>719674610I don't believe you.
>>719672870Angry goblin detected>>719673508Immediately ruined by making the boss the easiest one in the whole franchise thanks to the Giant Mask.The Woodfall Temple is by far the best temple, with its atmosphere, great boss, and okay puzzles, but it just went downhill from there. The Snowhead Temple is a drag to get through, and the Great Bay Temple is by FAR the worst-designed Water Temple in any Zelda game. Using the Zora there is such a pain instead of being fun.OoT is well known for its thematic temples, but none of MM’s temples come close to the Forest Temple’s atmosphere or the Spirit Temple’s cool designs. OoT’s temples are simpler by design, and I’m glad WW and, to some extent, TP followed that approach instead of the low-tier designs MM had.At the end of the day, MM wins in lore, and villain, but every single temple was very lackluster. That’s why almost no one really has fond memories of them, unless it was your only Zelda game ever.That’s why we can fondly talk about how we had to access Jabu-Jabu to find Ruto, why we can discuss how creepy the Forest Temple is once you realize all the ghostly cries belong to the dead Hyrulean family, since it was the Royal Keep that Ganon discovered and where he exterminated everybody except Zelda, and why the Water Temple is so iconic for its first-try difficulty. They’re all memorable, well-thought-out temples with design choices that overshadow MM’s temples so hard it’s not even funny.
>>719674704I'm being hyperbolic of course, but from interviews koizumi says he was making his own game. Then miyamoto said "zelda" and he was suddenly on the team, with his game being cancelled. The Japanese don't exactly say 'no' to their bosses in these sort of scenarios.Also Aonuma didn't even make the majoras mask dungeons! What the fuck!https://glitterberri.com/staff-interview/zelda-is-always-bringing-something-new-to-the-table/
>>719675086>every single temple was very lackluster. That’s why almost no one really has fond memories of themAnon I'm sorry but I cannot take you seriously.
>>719672838>stone tower>bad design
>>719672248Who said he dislikes it? He was forcefully assigned to Mario after Wind Waker. I remember one of those Iwata talks some years ago and he talked about wanting to work and Zelda again, and Aonuma said he should stick to Mario. (laughs)
>>719675086>but every single temple was very lacklusterWoodfall and Stone Tower temple were great. Snowhead and great bay were ok.
>>719675086>zora in water>the least funI like OoT so much that I almost remember all the 100 golden skulltulas and I still believe that the water temple is hampered by a design oversight that easily puts it below Great Bay Temple. 3DS fixed it but I really don't like the remake's style. They even pan the camera towards where people usually get stuck for like 3 whole seconds.
>>719674610Koizumi would, but Aonuma would never let him.
>>719672838MM has probably the best dungeon design philosophy of any of the 3D Zeldas. They all emphasize interacting with the dungeon as a space, kinda like what the Divine Beasts in BotW do except with MM, they're actual dungeons. MM's probably the closest 3D Zelda ever gets to consistently leaning into some kind of actual spatial reasoning.
>>719677965Aonuma will live to 110 and never retire so you'll never see a Zelda with story till you die.
>>719678190The levels of cope on this, MM Temples half the time are incoherent and feel more like broken rooms with mini challenges like getting the godam stupid fairies, I love going through all of WW Temples, I love going through all of OoT Temples because they feel connected, part of a complete maze, but MM Temples always feel like a drag for some reason, is always a joy to get to the MM Temples, like the fun part is to actually enter them, but once inside is just such a chore.OoT and WW Temples are WHY people want the Next Zelda to have massive Temples and ditch the focus on the Open World aspects, no one will tell you they want BotW Shrines out because of MM Temple designs
>>719678192Not if I live to 111.
>>719677923>omg the Temple is dragon me around hitting in my Zora form, so much fun going through the stupid godamn tunnels WEEEI have yet to find anyone that actually enjoyed the Great Bay Temple, the only compliment that temple gets is "omg the boss is so creepy and cool he eats you"
It seems we have a new "thread personality" trying to make his debut.
>>719679768What cope? Woodfall gently introduces the idea with its poisoned water management but Snowhead's central column, Great Bay's current switches and Stone Tower's turning entirely upside down all lean pretty hard into treating the actual space itself as a mechanic. I honestly think that's pretty cool from a design standpoint and lends them their own distinct way of feeling holistic.>I love going through all of WW TemplesCouldn't be me, aside from Wind Temple that is some sleep-inducing shit, and even then Makar is trying his damndest to make my eyelids heavy.>no one will tell you they want BotW Shrines out because of MM Temple designsI will. I wished Divine Beasts were actual dungeons with actual combat scenarios so that they could actually be worth something. Granted, I also wish BotW was by and large an entirely different game so that's not really the greatest of its problems.
Tears of the Kingdom is easily the best Zelda game
>>719679768OoT dungeons were OK, WW dungeons were shit.
>>719680450You're an engagement farmer.
>>719677965It's so over
>>719680504You forgot to type "the" before "shit" in your post.
>>719680506Disagree if you want, you're merely wrong. Just because you played an old game when your parents divorced doesn't make it better than the objectively best game.
>>719680640Wind Waker's dungeons were "dog" "shit".
>>719679947Great Bay Temple's in my top 5, I fucking love that shit. Granted, I also love Zora Link but I don't mind that the dungeon actually asks you to play the game with some degree of competence. Managing the currents is one thing, but I can see it being an absolute bitch to get lost in if you never really clue into following the pipes on the wall. Only thing I don't like about Great Bay is that freezing and unfreezing columns of water triggers a cutscene every fucking time, but even then it's only particularly annoying in one room where it's integral to solving the puzzle.
>>719680096Nah, I may post like once or twice a year. you got nothing to worry about. I just gotta remind MM nerds that their favorite Zelda is deeply flawed. But they shouldn’t feel bad, the game was made in a year, after all, which explains the trash dungeons. Everything else is great though, even if it’s held up thanks to OoT existing, Miyamoto assets saving the day
>dropped OoT>can't drop MMWhat's the secret?
>>719665216The reset gimmick was pretty annoying, but it had some fascinating ideas. I prefer the top down Gameboy style Zelda games
>>719669629OoT > TP (after first few hours) > MM >>>>>>> TP (fresh start)
>>719680749You advocated for WW's temples, not exactly a place of authority to be talking about what is and isn't trash dungeon design.
>>719681041NTA but were they no good? I played it as a kid, I don't recall anything as nightmarish
>>719681127They're the opposite of nightmarish. They're an absolute walk in the park to the point where you can barely call anything in it a puzzle, even generously.
>>719665216Twilight Princess was better
>>719681127The WW temples solve by themselves. Your brain on autopilot will complete them. Theming is great I'll give you that.
>>719680818OOT has better gameplay, but MM has a level of atmosphere that I have seen in maybe 3? games my entire life.The presentation and tone are very unique, to the point Nintendo themselves failed to recapture it in the remake.
All I want in life is for them to iterate on MM, is that so much to ask?I'll take only racial transformations even. Ffs
Twilight Princess > Tears of the Kingdom > Breath of the Wild > Skyward Sword > Majora's Mask > Ocarina of Time > Wind Waker
>>719681127Zelda was never that hard, but Wind Waker marked the end of the series having actual difficulty. It's also ground zero for the series (pre-BOTW) becoming increasingly linear, as well as singlehandedly responsible for breaking the Zelda timeline (which was actually very simple up until that point, contrary to secondaries' belief).
>>719681376TP was their attempt at that, and you know how that went.
>>719681340Oh, I mean I guess that explains why it wasn't memorably hard.>fun to throw Medlii around>it's a fucking nightmare tard-wrangling the zora princessWas it because I don't want to fuck fishgirls>>719681341It's also v charming wearing different masks or talking to different people as different species, feels like they put some extra love into the game>>719681420I do remember timeline pics being posted here now and then and things being very convoluted, I was told that BotW "fixed"/standarized things and that's the end of all Zelda games?
>>719678192>new proper zelda comes out>it's way after physical media died and when everything is tied to an always online subscription service so you can't actually own it*braaaaaaaaaaaaaaaap* Have a rotten day!
>>719681392Breath of the Wild = Tears of the Kingdom >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rest of the franchise (it was all trash prior to botw)
>>719681530TP was about equal to OoT though?
I recognise that Tears of the Kingdom is a superior game to Breath of the Wild but I I dropped it after the 4th dungeon.All because of the same map. It evaporated my desire to play faster and faster.
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>>719669629TRVKE
>>719665216Sad but true. Fuck Aonuma
>>719681392I mean, TP and WW are in the right place at least.
That scene where you play Song of Healing for Darmani, when he sees all the Gorons again cheering and believing in him and he's crying his eyes out
>>719682002You lasted longer than me, I dropped the game after I pulled the Master Sword on accident.
>>719681804red pilled
>>719682601I think you might be colorblind.
>>719682653look man, you're just a faggot
>>719681392>>719682451Skyward Sword is still the absolute worst 3D Zelda.It is the reason why TOTK gave me Demisedorf instead of Ganondorf with the trident like the reveal trailer promised.For this slight, my hatred will burn eternally.
>>719682452For me it's "May I take leave, sir?"
>>719682770The Lanayru region of SS gave us 2 great dungeons, Timeshift Stones as a mechanic and the Thunder Dragon's trial. That is more positive points than the whole of WW.
>>719682452>>719682924Based. For me, it's Pamela and her dad.
>>719682770>shows Ganondorf's big RAAAAAAA moment to shoot hype into the sky>play the game>it was all in the past again and he's down there all game regenerating his dried up assThe storytelling in these games is so fucking gay.
>>719665216TP already did. And LA and LttP before it.
Stop trying to make TP happen it's not going to happen
>>719683595>everything interesting happened 1000 years agoIs this Fromsoft's fault or what
>>719683729Don't need to try, game's based. Has been all this time.
>>719683595>it was all in the past again>and then they re-sold the shit in the past as a musou spinoff>againI need a new Hyrule, I need a new art style, I need a new set of characters, I need this era of Zelda to end already.
>>719665216ocarina of time is one of my favorite games of all time. I liked skyward sword. But it was ruined by the fact that it tried to appeal to a new audience. Botw was half way finished. Totk was Nintendo patching their game.
Name cool Zelda hacks.
>>719681341>OOT has better gameplayThey're literally have the same gameplay.
>>719671935>We want something different!>NOT LIKE THAT
Zelda peaked here, time to move on.
>>719686098Wolf Link looks like he's seen the Door to Darkness.
>>719685867I honestly give this to Majora since it gives you way more options in combat and traversal with the Mask transformations.
>>719669629lol
>>719665216Hardcore MM guys probably don't give a shit about modern nintendo at allStuff like speedrunning and randomizers allow them to live in their own bubble forever.
Any good Zelda romhacks that came out recently?
I don't really mind, I dont like a lot of newer games anyways so Zelda isn't the only series where I prefer an older title. I used to think it was a nostalgia issue, but after playing older titles I'd never even heard of as a kid and liking them, I realized I just actually like older games better. I actually didn't get very far in MM until 2021 when I was 26 or so and I had so much fun. I was just getting really into being goth again and would sit there and just play MM all day fully dressed up and clack my giant 8 inch heels together and rub my rings against the controller. Such a simple thing but such a good memory, especially when I would lure the little chicks around in that side quest, and ESPECIALLY the part with the fucking aliens on the ranch. I love both of those quests associated songs. https://youtu.be/vWFwACXa_Zg?si=vx-GNNpSXwIaRD-t
>>719672615It feels rushed because it was severely rushed, while it is my favorite Zelda game and I have an absolute obsession with Skull Kid, and I absolutely love some of the music (Mainly the alien theme and the Woodfall temple theme), my first playthrough it really bugged me how character models were repeated and how some of the music is really fucking bad (the fucking. Ice Goron temple. Whatever the fuck it was called again) or just repetitive, such as how every area before the temples are just remixes of each other. After learning the backstory behind all of that, how the moon falling and the time limits were like how the devs were feeling on that brutal time crunch with Miyamoto obsessing over everything, it made things more interesting for me having that insight.
>>719669852TP's intro is great and full of soul. It being slow is only a problem on replays.
>>719672736Something I think thats interesting about 4chan, is that while with most communities, the more they like something, the happier it makes them (with exceptions) but with 4chan, the more they like something, the angrier it makes them. Using /v/ as a homeschooled 15 year old back in the day, I thought everywhere was like this, and would try to connect to people irl who liked games by complaining about them, and they'd always look at me weird.
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>>719689316I think Sands of Time and Ultimate Trial are still the most recent releases of any substance.Try pumpkin tower if you haven't already. It's a bit of a meme hack but still good and one of very few MM romhacks
>>719675086Woodall temple was absolutely the best in every way. My favorite temple in any Zelda game. Snowhead temple fucking sucked, especially the music. I had some fun with the boss, though. But MM's water temple I actually had fun with and I really enjoyed playing as a Zora there, and I liked the industrial sounding music. I've beaten OOT about 10 or 12 times and I still do not enjoy the water temple at all. It's hard to judge things like this through any "true" metric, because it is all subjective.
child link is lameadult link (hero of time) is badass
>>719672376You got your conclusion, he dies a nameless wagie and seethes about it so hard he persists for at least a century.
>>719679947I enjoyed it, talking to a mirror doesn't constitute the entire human population
wind waker is my fav zelda game cause it's the one i spent the most time on as a kid. the music and art style are timeless
>>719680703You meant to say "the shit, dawg"
>>719689698>8 inch heelsWe got a queer here
