>>719687775
>if I've never played an MMO before
why would you start? do you also go around smoking new drugs because you never tried them before?

Yes but just play on a private server

>>719687775
wow classic is now non-classic, you should play vanilla and learn the fundamentals

>>719688139
I'm kind of intrigued at experiencing what captured millions for decades.
>>719688168
What about modern? I would probably prefer to play the original experience, but is the modern state of the game as good?

>>719688382
oh no wow hasnt been good for well over a decade.

>>719688382
play elin its like runescape

ragnarok online* meant to say

>>719687775
If you don't care about bots farming all the rare and expensive shit; about people spending real money to skip 90% of the game and buy gear; about some pajeets or chinks making business out of both previous points; about censorship of the original game; and a out Blizzard not giving a shit about it, then yes, go for it.

You'll never experience what vanilla was like back in 2005 when it wasn't a solved game. It was sold as another world you lived in. Hell when it first came out it didn't even have flight paths between zones. People chatted in the zone chat and not their private discord, they didn't have a wiki for everything and groups were arranged by chat not by matchmaking. PVP was server-only so you knew the people you killed. Weird shit happened all the time (e.g. Friday nights on Kel'thuzad an Alliance crew would put on white dresses and go gank people in Stranglethorn Vale). Now all you got is old people trying to relive their youth and people like you wondering what it was all about.

>>719689167
Is there anything in the modern era that is vaguely like that? Or is the writing good enough that it's worth checking out past it's prime?

>>719689417
i can probably think up a list of dead MMOs that had things I liked. Fallen Earth was probably the most mechanically clusterfucked game ever but the world building was fun and the people were cool. it might not be dead since they unfucked the client a while back but i can't bring myself to look.

>>719689417
It’s worth playing at least once. You might like it you might not. If you do like it you’ll love it. It’s an expertly crafted video game, made by people who love Videogames and know what makes them good. The time spent-to-reward ratio is perfectly tuned to give a strong feeling of prgression in the massive world that just never stops. Leveling your first character will keep you occupied for months, with constant exploration and discovery of the world, your class, and dungeons. It’s just an amazing immersive rewarding game even without the strong social vibe it had in its heyday

>>719687775
Yes and no. It's fun if you can find yourself a nice, casual guild with good people. It's awful if you play with randoms.

No, Anon. It's not worth getting into.
Let me let you in on the truth no one wants to admit.
Old WoW? It sucked. It was worse than New WoW. Do you know why people want it back? It's not the game. It's the time it represented. They miss high school. They miss careless nights raiding. They miss freedom, and soda and pizza, and old friends. But they can't get that back. So they try to fill the void with private servers and Classic WoW, but it's not the same. It'll never be the same. Because the game isn't what they're trying to find.

>>719687775
MMOs as a genre are a relic of the past.
There is a reason all current ones implement as much solo content as possible since as a multiplayer game they are shit.

>>719687775
If you never tried it before maybe? You might have more fun with just retail WoW, a lot of people playing classic are autistic spergs who will be annoying to deal with.

>>719689417
The writing in vanilla is decent. Some events are obscure as hell (see the OG Ashbringer lore) or supposed to be a surprise (Lady Prestor) and some quests take you all over the place (Paladin class quest, Raz'likh, warlock mount quest) or demand ridiculous feats (Ahn'Qiraj). I wouldn't really call it gripping though because the game goes out of its way to remind you you're just some random merc in a setting with people way more powerful than you. The closest modern equivalent is deliberately playing Final Fantasy 14 without mods or a guild discord.

>>719687775
>classic
i mean sure, why not. there's like three or four different spins of it available, there's the og game in its perpetual state, there's a version that's progressing through every expansion and is on mists, there's one that was kind of doing some new things, and there's another one that is also going to go through the expansions but it only started like a year ago and is still on the first. you might want to try that one.

>>719688382
god no, retail is awful, especially as a new player. the new player experience is an absolute clusterfuck. any other version is better.

>>719688150
This.
Project Epoch is the best current option.
Maybe give Turtle WoW a try when they release the neat looking Unreal Engine graphics update.
Stay far away from official versions, they have the worst communities by far.

>>719689923
Please kill yourself

>>719689923
Will it ever be the same? No of course not.
Is early WoW still the best MMO ever created? Yes, by a long shot.

>>719690175
not OP but that seems kinda neat. i still hate 90% of outland but BC was a good time.

>>719690314
Epoch expands vanilla WoW with lots of new items, improved professions, new enemies, new/upgraded dungeons. So far it's been fun to level casually and equip myself with my own professions and just explore the new stuff.
Doesn't hurt that it's entirely free.

>>719689167
It was an extension of MySpace and we can never go back

>>719688150
Ignore this guy. They all get killed off after a year or you get terrible custom content made by trannies

>>719690509
things have seriously stabilized since the nostalrius days. fresh servers are fun but not a real draw.

>>719687775
at this point FF14 is better.

>>719687775
For leveling and exploring the world, definitely. Endgame is a mixed bag.

>>719690475
it wasn't an extension of just myspace, it was an extension of the entire era of people who had computers good enough to run video games at that time, even if they got like 15 fps in cities. you even had vampirefreaks goths raving over wow at that time because you could be a night elf or an undead freak if you were extra edgy. it appealed to almost everyone except for weebs at that time

>>719687775
of course not lol

>>719690969
vanilla endgame was glorious, BGs for days

>>719690407
Alright, so if I were to get into WoW, I go with this?

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no lol

>>719690509
Ignore this guy, private servers are fine.

>>719688382
>experiencing what captured millions for decades
Genre novelty for wide audience, with general state of the internet in mid-00's.

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>>719690509
private servers are all that's left of wow

retail is only bearable if you have 2-3 (preferably 4) to pals to M+ with.
and even then, only for a month or so before you hit your goals; running the treadmill for no set goal is a sure-fire road to depression and burnout.

pugging anything in modern WoW is a nightmare, only a fool would participate.

>>719691327
unc core

>>719691327
>ret pally in vanilla
I don't know why people want to torture themselves like that

>despite it shitty formula WoW became THE MMO and doomed the genre

>>719687775
Unironically play Everquest for the huge fantasy world feel. Project Quarm is very active and still relatively young for a server.

>>719687775
True classic lacks all the features of retail wow so it's a mixed bag great for nostalgia until you see P-servers have the same faults. Payer favoritism, bad class balance etc.

>>719693639
class balance is what vanilla got rightest of all

>>719693692
Yes but then the owner of the p-server has a special idea of what it should be

>>719687775
Yes, but go play private servers instead.
Retail has the following cancer:
>Rampant boting which leads to
>Rampant gold selling which leads to
>Rampant GDKP and Boosting which leads to
>Complete destruction of leveling journey which leads to
>Obsession over end-game with min-max and parsing which leads to
>FOMO game design where you always chase a title, mount of transmog that is later removed from the game in order to "make it special and rewarding". Admittedly, this was always the case since original TBC/WotLK where the latest raid tier instantly invalidated everything before it.
>The worst of it all is automated report system being actively used by botters to dish out bans for interfering with their gold selling operations in any way. You better believe that there are 3rd world discord servers where botters and boosters co-ordinate mass reports with one another if any regular player decides to undercut them with their boosting services or kills their botted account in open world on a PvP server. Why do all this? Because their country's economy is so shit, they are literally better off earning virtual currencies in a video game.
>To add insult to injury, Blizzard is completely on board with this and only performs a token gesture of "ban in waves" every few months, assuming they even bother anymore because everyone is too jaded to keep track off.

>>719693692
brown hand typed this post

>>719693928
>Obsession over end-game with min-max and parsing
this is true for pservers too
wow in general just lacks content for levelcap

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>>719687775
The game is still decent on private servers but its mostly people who have been looped into the experience for 20 years mosying about again for fun
Id only be able to play the game now with a strict guide if I joined

>>719687775
Yes, it is. Classic has a steady stream of Classic Andies who just don't stop playing it, so you should be able to always have people to play with. Just look up what server to play on.

>>719687775
>classic is dead
>private servers are about to be shut down
come to retail

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vanilla and tbc vet here. Anon, the only people left are essentially speedrunners. What made WoW for me is the way the game pushed you into socialising, into exploring and how friendships and guilds formed organically as you rose up to the challenge. None of that still exists.

>>719687775
I don't think the gameplay really holds up. You could try it for a month I guess, the classic install is smaller I believe?

>>719694682
Ack yourself

>>719687775
nah
it’s a product intended for a different person in a different time
someone who was content with failing a dungeon and trying it again another night, feeling rewarded with eventual success and telling their friends that are dozens of levels below them about how fucked the friends would be in the same dungeon
now you’re playing it with a bunch of burnt out robots who won’t let you have the intended experience and will expect you to play the same way

>>719694770
i'm telling the truth tho. there is no point in playing classic until blizzard releases classic+. he could play on some big private server like turtle but blizzard will come with the nuke hammer the moment it gets too big.

retail is the only good choice atm

Classic fel into the Metafaggotry and Numbers trap
Nobody plays it like they used it. It's all about being on top of some kind of leaderboard

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Going to get a lot of hate for this, but epoch is barely different from og classic, its literally the same game with microscopic changes.
Few new world bosses, few new dungeons, and that's it.
There's like a 5 minute new detour in wc and a new troll starting zone, you likely won't even do that shit as an alliance.
They should have revamped a good number of zones with classic lore, maybe the scarlet crusade is more prevent all over hilabrad foothills with a cultist outpost with a new bunch of quests and shit like that, but this feels identical to classic with some new tbc talents.
My gripe is most epoch fags are classic chasers who have played many iterations of the game; I don't know how they don't crave something more dynamic, this content wise is something blizzard would release in a monthly patch or hell even bi weekly.
Its just that on this board, and the gaming community in general we have no problem shitting on sequels that don't innovate enough, or bring fresh content, but when it comes to classic everyone is will to play the same shit indefinitely with a few new pixels added. Why is this?

What every faggot misunderstands is
It's now the game
It's the people who play the game that made it not fun

>>719695581
it was good, innovation mostly went in the wrong direction

I Simply play classic for the questing and leveling
The Moment I hit 60, I do some quest in end zones then stop and make a new character.
The Engame is boring as shit.

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>>719687775
or, you know, just ignore the seething doomsayers and jaded haters and just try for yourself. Worst thing that happens is that you waste 12 buck and quit afterwards.

>>719687775
Only if you play Hardcore. Its the only mode the doesn't feel completely minmaxed.

>>719696662
>play classic for the questing and leveling
Yes, i also enjoy doing the same fetch quest a 1000 times.

>>719696921
Yes.
It's a simple life.

>>719693692
This is true for small scale pvp and 5-mans, and false for everything else.

>>719697049
no, it is balanced by faction not by individual activity. they aren't equal they are balanced.

>>719697104
>balanced by faction
>Alliance objectively have better classes and Horde are carried by racials in pvp

>>719690509
>you get terrible custom content made by trannies
But enough about Retail WoW

>>719697182
they have classes and racials that are purposefully better at different things. one faction is worse at thing, other faction is worse at different thing. balance.

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come to retail, we have the queen of dragons

>>719687775
It's worth trying at least but I'd wait for when they launch new servers or so, the game is quite dead right now and it's better experienced when a lot of people are leveling together

>>719697276
only good for skinning and beheading. chromie is only good drigger

>>719688382
>I'm kind of intrigued at experiencing what captured millions for decades
That's like saying you want to feel what is was like to be part of the disco era so you're going to dance under a mirror ball for a while.

The MMO-excitement was a strictly (very late) 90s and 00s thing. More people were discovering the internet and shit like UO was thought of as a "virtual world" where you could play an "avatar" as you lived your second virtual life in the net zone. It was a collective hype and everyone was excited to explore new MMOs and make friends while they leveled up (leveling used to be 90% of the game). It was more of a subculture than just a video game fad.

It's not that you can't play classic wow now, you totally can but it's the equivalent of dancing by yourself to The Hustle under a disco ball. It's not the same without the cultural significance and the millions of others participating with you.

https://youtu.be/SFzMs2SN--s?si=jnY7UyYXh1jBUKPS

>>719688382
wow was mostly a product of its time. unironically retail wow is a better game than classic wow, but the community of this game will never admit that because it's plagued with miserable people who believe the source of their unhappiness lies in their childhood game changing over time

>>719697104
>both factions have druids with two useless specs
>it's ok because the factions are balanced
retard

>>719697562
firstly, all druid specs were viable. secondly, if you're not hybrid you're not a druid.

>>719687775
i played when the anniversary servers came out, made it to 60, and raided for a few months, definitely recommend it, try to interact with other people as much as possible, gameplay-wise a group (even a duo) is greater than the sum of its parts and its much funner

No mmo is worth playing in 2025.
These games used to work because people treated it as social media. That’s no longer the case, making them borderline useless and boring

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>>719697593
>all druid specs were viable

>>719697593
Feral and Boomy are not viable in vanilla, they're called meme specs for a reason. Every classic+ private server is buffing them and the game is much better for it.

>>719697562
You forgot two useless paladin specs, two useless shaman specs, useless mage spec, useless priest spec etc.

>>719697730
Instead of buffing them you could just completely remove warriors and mages. Game would be better for it.

>>719697730
feral is the peak CTF spec and boomkin also does very well in pvp but is better with some hybrid. Boomkin is absolutely viable for some raid fights but goddamn its a chore to gear.

>>719697809
>Boomkin is absolutely viable for some raid fights
No, there are zero fights where taking moonkin over a mage is viable.

>>719697593
>equating healing balance to the idea that balance (a nominal dps spec) is function properly
You really are a dirty little troll, aren't you.

>>719697760
>You forgot two useless paladin specs, two useless shaman specs, useless mage spec, useless priest spec etc.
Useless at what?

>>719697856
thats not what the word viable means, thats "preferable" or "optimal" or "the meta"
>>719697865
pure boomkin is absolutely fine in pvp. strong even, with the overall druid kit.

>>719697883
at everything

>>719697856
>No, there are zero fights where taking moonkin over a mage is viable.
There is though: All of them

>>719687775
Try TurtleWoW, it's free
Just make sure you make a throwaway account

>>719697903
Like what?

>>719697856
Druids were meant to be hybrids. Hybrids weren't supposed to be do anything as well as a full dps, tank, or healer.

In the days of CC and low mana pools having a balance druid that could sleep, root, cyclone (BC) and throw some heals to the DPS could turn the tide of battle.

>>719697404
This. It will never be the same as it was back then. The chance of losing years of your life because of it is also much lower so why not try it.

>>719697957
>prot pala
shit tandking
>ret pala
shit dps
>ench shaman
shit dps
>ele shaman
shit dps
>arcane mage
shit dps
>sub rogue
shit dps
>assa rogue
shit dps
>surv hunt
shit dps
>feral
shit dps, shit tanking
>boomkin
shit dps
>spriest
shit dps
>disc priest
just shit

vanilla had ONE playable spec for palas, shamans, druids, rogues and priests and TWO specs for hunters, mages and warriors

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>>719690509
Been playing Ascension on and off for 7 years. It's popping off every time I play there.

>>719697949
>about to get legally raped by Blizz kikes

>>719698048
>Hybrids weren't supposed to be do anything as well as a full dps, tank, or healer.
>Proceed to design nothing but end-game content that rewards specialization over flexibility from 1.3 onward
>Also completely ignore that Warriors are hybrids and constantly buff them from 1.6 onward.
Damned milk drinkers.

>>719698104
Bear is a decent tank if you farm that one attack speed boost weapon.

>>719698048
Being a feral druid and being able to fill the gap when you couldn't find a DPS or a tank for your instance was also pretty nice. It was also super fun in PVP. Who cares about high end raid autism.

>>719697897
>boomkin is fine in pvp
It's a ranged spec that is all about rotting and running away but it's completely useless indoors because it can't root or cheeta to get away from anybody. It deals very low damage compared to all other classes, it runs out of mana really quickly and It has no favorable matchups in duels at all except for maybe mage if they suck. The only good gear they get is from AQ, absolutely attrocious if you ask me.

>>719698182
>Who cares about high end raid autism.
>who cares about content whole game is about

>>719698104
>disc priest
>just shit
?
disc is the good spec. some of the specs you listed are also optimal for pvp

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>>719688382
>I'm kind of intrigued at experiencing what captured millions for decades.

Other anon >>719697404 has explained it pretty well. With that said, Classic has introduced Hardcore servers which, in my experience, come the closest to what the game felt like in its Vanilla (2004) state

>the world is both mysterious and dangerous
>every upgrade matters: gold, professions, items
>people gravitate towards each other as numbers mean safety... most of the time
>people dying means there's a steady influx of players at all levelling ranges

The downside, and it can be a pretty big downside, is that in HC death is permanent and WoW was not thought as that kind of the game. It's filled to the brim with knowledge checks, some of which you'll realise quickly (if you enter a cave alone, you're already dead), others will be required 100 hours later.

Still, if dying and losing progress doesn't discourage you, it's honestly the closest you'll get to an actual Vanilla-like experience. You can even make an alt character to mail gold/items to, so that your next character has a headstart.

Oh and retail is irredeemably, obnoxiously, insultingly terrible, it's WoW in name only

I raided as a Moonkin when classic first lauched
Well "Raided" I got to 60 for memes as Balance just to fuck around. I joined some end game dungeon runs as a joke to make people laugh
Then the top guild on the server recruited me and told me my sole porpuse in raid will be to use innervate and stay in moonkin form to give the best geared mages the auro buff, otherwise I can do literally anything I want.

So I "raided" all of classic while dancing and telling seinfield jokes during raid in chat.

>>719698294
Based Owl gigachad

>>719698186
you dont need cheetah to get away but on top of that you dont even need to get away from a lot of classes. a boomkin WILL open in feral and WILL tank in your face and laugh at you if the matchup is right. having strong-ish dots and all the CC in the world and medium-big burst is just icing on the cake.

>>719698294
If your guild brings a moonkin for this purpose they're obligated to give them Sulfuras

>>719687775
Yes but play this

https://github.com/celguar/spp-classics-cmangos/releases

>>719687775
vanilla wow is a slightly more involved version of cookie clicker. If you like those types of games you'll like vanilla

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>>719698104
>I play RPGs solely for min/maxing every stat
>The post
I guess this is bait but with that mindset there would be only 3 classes in every RPG.

>>719698294
You're lucky, when I tried to roll boomy everyone laughed at me and told me to play resto.

>>719698371
in cookie clickers you actually get rewarded for doing the work. progress is not guaranteed.

>>719687775
Wait until the announce their next game mode for classic, it shouldn’t be too long

>>719698402
except for really rare stuff like the baron mount all of it will drop for you eventually. the only thing that's random is how long it'll take for you to get it

>>719698117
>end-game content
Raid'tism was for the top 20% of players to even participate in during vanilla/bc.

The majority of wow players never even saw Nefarion and didn't even zone into Ahn Qiraj. Hell, it took the average player like six months to get max level.

Also, in 2005 raids were designed so that 4-5 people could disconnect (the web sucked ass) and you would still be fine. Most early raid bosses had extremely generous enrage timers if any. DPS checks didn't even really start until Vaelastrasz and he was more of a coordination thing because his buff made your real dps kind of irrelevant.

>>719688150
>>719690175
I agree with playing on a free private server. WoW Classic (like current modern WoW) is still censored and changed to please the fat blue-hair nose-ring liberal trannies, while the private servers remain originally unchanged, like it should've been with public WoW Classic.

>>719698346
If a warrior or a rogue gets on you indoors you're fucked because you can't root or run faster than them while they spam slow you. Only thing you can do is net, nade rockethelm and run outside. You would know how obnoxious this is if you played the class.

>>719689417
Just play retail. It is by far the superior game and only contrarian autists think otherwise. The writing isn't good but it never was that good to begin with and you play this game for the gameplay anyway. Cutscenes are like 5 minutes long each major patch.
Classic can be chill but it's mostly kill boar asses for 300h and then spam frostbolt in raids with almost no mechanics. I don't know how that could sound exciting for anyone without nostalgia. It's also heavly pay to win because gold is so much more useful for playerpower and you barely get gold by just playing. I'd say half the playerbase buys gold which fill the game with bots. Blizzard won't do something because a sub is a sub.

>>719698379
>I play RPGs
what RPG?
WoW is not RPG.

>>719698221
I spent a lot of time in a high end guild (as a feral druid lol), and it when looking back, it didn't match the greatness of leveling 1-60 as a completely new player. It was unironically one of the best gaming experiences ever. Having friends sharing the adventure probably played a big part but still. High end autism is more like drug addicts trying to get their fix, completely different experience.

>>719698491
depends. you can spam cancel slows with if the mana's right. even slowly waddling out in bear form isn't necessarily a death sentence anyway. druids always have a lot of options even before items.

>>719698379
You would have a decent point if this was min-maxing a few percentage points. If you play some of these terrible specs, your peers will be 2-3 times better than you at what you do. It's not fun for anyone involved.

>>719698117
the only spec that hybrids get gimped in is DPS and that's intentional. they're supposed to do about 75% of the damage a pure DPS does

warrior is the only exception because they're the only hybrid that can't heal

>>719698609
with shifts*
>>719698613
really depends on the fight too. not all are tank-and-spank enough to let you sit and rotate on it.

>>719698671
>rotate
Ah yes, famous vanilla rotations like
frost bolt -> frost bolt -> frost bolt
shadow bolt -> shadow bolt -> shadow bolt

>>719698609
You do not survive long tanking a warrior in bear form and spam shifting slows without access to cheeta you'll oom yourself instantly. I played druid for a long ass time on era, I know that walking into blackrock for pvp is a death sentence, so I stay outside.

>>719698613
Nah, maybe the stats work differently now but in Naxx my DPS as a feral druid was like 30% below the top rogue in my guild, with the ability to tank adds on top of that. Of course my gear was always top notch since I was the sole feral druid in the raid so that helps, but it's not that clear cut.

>>719698723
it was mostly for playing on sit-and-spin BUT sometimes you do change ranks.

>>719698653
>that hybrids get gimped in is DPS
Yeah, becaus pal and shaman tanks are so good.

If you've never played WoW at all, it is absolutely worth playing Classic and just leveling up to 60. Don't worry about endgame shit or balance or whatever, just go have an adventure in the greatest video game world ever created. Even better if you have a friend or two to level with.

>>719698769
They're supposed to be able to tank in 5 mans instances and be secondary tanks in raids, nothing wrong with that.

>>719698769
because vanilla was an unfinished game and every class had specs that didn't function at end-game but they still applied the hybrid tax despite the fact that classes weren't 100% functional yet

you ever notice how all the classes that can heal ONLY heal at end-game? it's not a coincidence. They only got around to making 1 spec work for (most) classes and they chose healers for the hybrids because you need as many heals at end-game

>>719698738
if you're absolutely pure balance yeah you'll have fewer options in that niche scenario sure. it's not instant oom and you've got an assortment of stuns and dashes. it's entirely possible to escape a warrior before you implode.

>>719698842
This is where the game really shines, indeed. The problem is that once you hit 60 you'll want more and that's where the suck begin.

>>719698842
No it's not. Quests are incredibly boring, combat is incredibly boring, world is mostly empty. Dungeons are pretty fun, but good luck finding anyone who isn't boosting.

>>719698857
>They're supposed to be able to tank in 5 mans instances and be secondary tanks in raids,
>Shaman's tanking dungeons
>Paladin's tanking anything in raids instead of just running another warrior (inb4 muh GBoK spam)

>>719698754
Feral druid is the absolute most charitable example and you should know it if you played up till Naxx. Even then it falls short. Ele/enh shamans, ret paladins, shadow priests, balance druids, and arcane mages perform significantly worse than a Feral does.

>>719698857
>be secondary tanks in raids
That's feral. Shaman and pal are useless even at that.

>>719698879
You got one stun and one dash, if you get slowed on your dash it's game over. Engineering helps but it usually isn't enough, netomatc can backfire and dust is expensive as hell. Anyway going inside isn't worth it.

>>719698970
>>719699023
>Shaman's tanking dungeons
Yeah that one was a little over the top, I admit it.

>>719698986
Maybe you're right, I wouldn't know since I've only played a feral Chad.

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>>719687775
I love night elves.

>>719697809
>feral is the peak CTF spec
Wow, they can carry a flag! This totally makes the spec good!

>>719699102
same, I first played wow when I was in middle school and neflies really left a sexy imprint on me

god i can't wait until they do classic plus
sod was sick and i wish i played more of it

>>719699074
every druid has a tidal charm. if you're boomkin then omen into starfire is ripe for that situation. it has been known to land.

>>719699102
>>719699153
anyone else remember jerking off to the night elf dance? Good times

>>719698653
>warrior is the only exception because they're the only hybrid that can't heal
How convenient.

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>>719699205
>just get tidal charm bro, easy peasy

>>719699285
nobody farms tidal charms like druids do, its practically a class specialty

Are you 400 pounds? It's a requirement to play WoW.

>>719699303
it's called bulking bro

>>719699298
Pet classes are way better at it

>>719699282
they only had time (or they were too lazy) to give most classes ONE functioning spec and as I said they chose the hybrids healing trees because you need as many different healers as possible in a raid

they chose warrior to tank because if warriors tank trees weren't functioning there'd be almost no reason to bring them and that would be bad since they're a pretty popular class (espeically since every race can be one)

>>719699303
is was but i'm losing weight, so i can't play wow anymore

>>719699206
nice zoomlarp

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>Watch Classic WoW on Twitch
>Frost Mages and Rogues World PVP
>Mindless 40 man raiding nothing but brownies

I'm having second thoughts should I even go to TBC Classic when it comes.

hilariously people yearn for a "generic" big fantasy open world where they can create a character and explore but not many games actually do that very well at all

>>719699365
Load of horseshit. Warriors were only good for tanking and being a pvp beatstick in group pvp at launch. Fury was non-functional. But Furor played one so Warrior consistently got buffs and the time was taken to flesh out their class. This did not happen with other classes, even blatantly unfinished ones like Paladin, Hunter (despite their immense popularity), Druid and so on.

>>719699464
Play epoch instead, it's free.

>>719699574
not liking this ascension launcher bullshit desu

>>719687775
>is WoW worth getting into
No.
>>719690509
>or you get terrible custom content made by trannies
Sounds like retail and Season of Discovery to me.

>>719699464
TBC, as much as I enjoy its setting, zones, and various dungeons, had a meta that aged very poorly. If they don't make any adjustments, the pop split will be easily 70-30 in favor of Horde. Maybe worse.
Also, fuck giving Blizzard money in general.

>>719699585
The devs might suck at server code but I think they're pretty good when it comes to game design, much better than the turtle team that's for sure.

fellow retailsnons. I am a Classic player, a Deep Prot actually. I love tanking 5 mans as a dungeongrind.

Does retail have an autism tank spec like Deep Prot? Is there demand for tanks albeit very novice like myself.

pls no bully

>>719699895
Tanking on retail and classic are two entirely different things. Threat management is barely a thing on retail.

>>719699564
Its why Skyrim is still king.

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>>719699872
>a meta that aged very poorly.
t Warrior player

>Can't spam Bloodthirst, Heroic Strike and Whirlwind anymore like a retard
>Have to master swing time at the right timing with Slam, Mortal Strike and Whirlwind

>>719699872
>>719699464

TBC on Anniversary servers has pop cap that disables creating accounts on the less numerous faction (45:55). The fact that they're doing balance changes to MoP Classic makes me wonder if they'll do the same for TBC

>>719700080
Dual Spec is a good enough. Warrior players will tank to get their DPS gear OS

Phase 2 and onwards they should add a feature to change Badges into gold so Tanks and healers will do Heroics.

>>719699464
1. Don't watch streamerbugs
2. Don't play on a pvpslop server
3. 40->25

tbc is based just play it on pve and have fun idk

>>719689167
This is true for almost all the MMOs from that time. It's not the game that changed it's society and human interaction.

If a new MMO that wasn't solved came out today you would have a complete data mined wiki within 3 days, you would have big youtubers making accessible guides. No one would speak ingame because they would just use their discord groups etc.

That magic will NEVER come back EVER.

>>719700139

It's good but the problem will be healers, not tanks. People complain about rep gating in TBC but this is one of the ways to force characters into heroics. My guess is they will introduce exchanging badges for pve mats (Terrocone comes to mind)

I have never tried Arena seriously. Which class is good for a beginner in TBC Arena? I refuse to play as Rogue.

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I hope the TBC pre-patch is soon cause I wanna start leveling my main

>>719700340
Or buy previous Tier sets with Badges like WoTLK did.

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Is he right?

>>719700340
I hope they don't nerf keying that much in tbc classic

>>719700394
god I hope not

Early WoW was so good that I literally got laid and dated multiple girls met through WoW. They weren't fat autistic girls either, mostly emo/goth girls.

I feel bad for the young generation that they never experienced how easy it was to meet like-minded people online in the past.

This was also before the Burning crusade era where the "woman joins guild and ruins everything" started to happen. Early WoW where guilds were barely figured out yet was the peak for me.

>>719688382
The closest I have ever had to the old days was blizzlike private servers for vanilla/tbc/wotlk.
Sure, not as popular, not as crazy, but the game community tends to be a lot more slow. Dunno how it is now since it's been a decade but it was over a decade past its release when I played private servers. Community was very chill and wasn't addicted to spellcleave shit. I still played with crazy bastard fire mages in vanilla servers that constantly stole aggro before the tank could even do sunders.
>modern state of the game
Modern wow predicates itself on knowing previous expansions' lore. You will be thrown into the world with no context and you will be thrown reference after reference with no knowledge. Even if you ignore all the whacky wokeshit that gets mocked it makes no effort to help you understand what's happening. You'd have more luck understanding the plot to badly-translated korean grindcore slop.

>>719687775
I would recommend you go grab the first two warcraft rts games from internet archive, before trying to rawdog WoW. WoW is very bad at telling you what is happening and why you should care.

>>719687775
my first time playing wow, i played til level 25 when cata classic launched, didn't like it. i started again when anniv classic launched and made it all the way through phase 3 before i got sick of setting aside time to do raid prep rather than playing vidya. i would absolutely recommend trying it out, i had a lot of fun. if you don't want to get camped by cringe rogues, roll on a PvE server

>>719700516
I never played the rts games before playing wow and I had a good time with it. you don't really need to care about the story in a video game to have fun with it

>>719689923
You have no idea and you're not even that type of person. Are you just trying to sound smart?

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I can't decide whether i'd want to invest my time into playing on Bronzebeard or Solocraft.
What do, /v/?

>>719700430
No. The MMO community are anti-social dorks. It thrives on negativity and anti-social behaviour. Any sane person plays a better PVP oriented game like Dota 2, Counter Strike, Warcraft 3 or SC1 for better PVP experience than Arena.

Any sane person plays Diablo 2 on Hardcore for better PVE experience than Hardcore WoW. If they want heavy storydriven RPG they play Baldur's Gate 3 or some other classic WRPGs.

>>719700343
Warlock was pretty overpowered in bc, do a soul link/siphon life build and you’re pretty hard to kill.

>>719700819
posted in the wrong thread, terribly sorry about this.

>>719700343
Holy Paladin.

>Bubble
>Cleanse roots and dots
>Hammer of Justice
>Blessing of Freedom

Just learn line of sight and you are good to go.

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>>719700430
Yes
And these >>719700671 are exactly the ones he is talking about.

>>719698114
Nothing's gonna happen

>>719693692
Genuine retard

>>719700954
People say WoW is best with IRL friends but they are wrong.

>Find players who share the common interests within the game
>Spend time with them
>Ignore your friends who don't share the same goals as you
>They become strangers despite playing in the same realm.

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>>719693692
>class balance
>Frost Mages and Rogues flooding the entire PVP community
>Brownies on raids

>>719687775
It's always worth getting into. Vanilla World of Warcraft is the greatest game ever made.

>>719701454
If you enjoy doing the same quest a 1000 times and then proceed to press one button for several hours in endgame content.

>>719697404
>(leveling used to be 90% of the game)
People always said this but back when I tried the game everyone would say "the game doesn't really begin till 60".

>>719701585
That's like saying a shooter is only about clicking your mouse on the same bad guy over and over.

>>719701682
Unlike WoW fps games have aiming involved
A shooter where you just walk up, stand still and lock on would be extremely boring

>>719701454
quote from lobotomite

>>719701820
>Aiming
Oh man you really moved your mouse onto his head and clicked M1! Such skill!

>>719701908
Yes actually, thats why people make a living playing Counter Strike

>>719701585
There's a small variety so it's not quite that way.
There's fun in exploring the places it introduces for the first time.
Endgame is cancer though I agree. Once you stop moving locations it sucks.

>>719701998
>counterstrike
You mean the game INFAMOUS for having aimbotting cheaters IN the competitive league, where 90% of their time is spent setting up prefire at known angles.
No people get paid big money in CS because they made the right connections and play well as a team/throw for gambling site match fixing.

wow classic is a great experience. would recommend - im not sure if there are even active players levelling up still though so you may miss out on dungeons n such maybe wiat for them to announce a new server / re-re-re-release

>>719702169
People wouldn't aimbot if aiming was trivial RETARD

>>719701998
It's almost as if it's disingenuous to reduce either game to just doing X simple task repeatedly. Retard.

>>719687775
>Is WoW classic worth getting into
Yes. Go to Classic Era realms. Choose the one with highest population.

Play as you like. No guides, no addons. Read all the quest logs.

>>719702250
Except WoW actually has boss fights where you plant and spam frostbolt for 3 minutes straight with no variation. Its not reductionist, its a fact of classic gameplay

>>719701908
>wow he kicked a ball into a net such skill!
>wow he moved his chess piece on to that square and won

this is a reductive midwit take

>>719702523
Which is what people apply to MMOs

>>719701908
you don't wanna be saying this when you're playing a 20 year old resolved tab target mmo for geriatrics where you spam 1 button, lil gup

>>719700430
>le casuls
casuals are the reason this game exist, and it gone shit because poopsock retards thought the genre is some skill showcase.

>>719702384
>Go to Classic Era realms
Unless you want to play Horde.

>>719702594
>>719702523

>>719702554
Why did you say MMOs when people are talking about classic wow specifically?
Obviously other MMOs have aiming like destiny or new world, or insane high apm comboing like maplestory or huge rotations like xiv
Classic wow specifically has none of that, its a shallow game where you mash 1 button

>>719702820
>huge rotations like xiv

>>719702710
It's not reductive when it's true. Cope.

>>719687775
HELLL no

>>719702886
Yes xiv has large rotation
Most are linear in the worst way because they force 1-2-3 combos but they objectively are larger rotations

>>719701820
Shooters also have an immense aimbot problem that is only going to get worse and not better ever. So no.

>>719702930
>this only applies to this thing and not mine because I don't like it

>>719702941
>you followed a flowchart
Next you're going to say you're skilled for playing guitar hero.

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Are there any MMOs or multiplayer RPGs where you *don't* have to watch a guide to participate and play? I watched the folding ideas video (https://youtu.be/BKP1I7IocYU) about the game couple of years back and it really exemplified why I hate modern co op games.

Is there any escape?

>>719702981
No, it applies to this thing and not that other thing because it applies to this thing and not that other thing.

>>719703092
that's just your opinion

>>719703073
No, that's just modern games. Just don't care and play the game as you want. I play most games blind now. If I don't, there's just no fun, thinking or sense of exploration.

>>719703007
Guitar hero is a skill based game retard
I cant pickup the game and easily 100% songs
A drinking bird toy can do that for classic wow

>>719703073
No, if its easy enough to walk in and do in one encounter it's going to be mercilessly shat on as boring and a babies game.

>>719703264
>Just be shit and inefficient because you don't want to put a modicum of effort into what you're doing.
People would be fine with that if other people weren't bringing that mentality into a team effort where they're trying to win.

>>719703521
Rhythm games are literally simon says and there for utter skilless trash according to souls threads whenever sekiro comes up

>>719703169
backed by facts

>>719703521
>A drinking bird toy can do that for classic wow
LMAO

>>719702820
>Classic wow specifically has none of that, its a shallow game where you mash 1 button
If that's the case then why are there even parses? If it's so easy everyone should just be able to hit 99s on every boss with the same gear and nobody should ever wipe.

>>719687775
Most of the joy in vanilla was the people you played with and the community now are joyless cunts. You can get a bit of the numbers go up mmorpg fun but I wouldn't make a lifestyle out of playing it, just level, do your pre-raid BiS and then work your way through the raids and retire.

>>719697404
You can never go home, but it's not the different culture that actually ruins it, it's the lack of of similarly new players to inhabit the world with. 90% of every new WoW sever is sweatlords by newfag standards. Even the wives can go from Goldshire to attunement with their eyes closed. Luckily you can solo WoW but that misses the point. And good fucking luck trying to PvP.
>>719689167
This, basically.
Try it if you feel like it. You can never play classic WoW but maybe 2025 Classic WoW will be your mood.

>>719704145
Everyone can't get the same gear.

>>719704350
PreBiS is easy enough to get, even with that as a baseline there is wild amounts of variation in parse scores between players.

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Play FFXIV instead. Here is a list of quests you need to have completed by early October in order to participate in the Monster Hunter Wilds collab. It’s nothing really, only about 1000 quests to do. Again, complete these 1000 quests by early October or you’ll miss out on the MHW collab.

>>719704804
>MHW
Yeah miss me with that shit even if I was a 14 player

>>719690209
No.

>>719704145
>If that's the case then why are there even parses?
classic players desperate to find some way to show off their "skill" without actually being good
>If it's so easy everyone should just be able to hit 99s on every boss with the same gear and nobody should ever wipe.
Nobody should ever wipe in vanilla, its actually really pathetic that they somehow manage to
Parses can be created with even the slightest amount of variation. Person who gets 3 crits gets a higher parse than person who got 2 crits, or even just high rolls on their spell damage variance
and of course the difference of paypigging consumes vs not

>>719704804
>or you’ll miss out on the MHW collab.
Shit's around forever son

>>719705021
Consumes are a base expectation and are accounted for, as are crit variations. There is still a massive gap between players.

>>719704804
I'm currently doing it, not skipping any cutscenes or texts. Way more interesting than bashing kobolds on the head for 600 hours.

>>719705160
>Consumes are a base expectation and are accounted for
what do you mean accounted for retard, parses arent normalized to your consumes
Dad gamers do show up without all consumes and all world buffs and prebis, that forms the low end of parses
>There is still a massive gap between players.
there is not. Its just crit or gear differences

>>719700430
No, he's a retard and I've always thought he was a retard because I was there when he shat that garbage post out. Questing isn't even fucking integral to MMOs, which he didn't understand because he's never played anything prior to classic WoW or anything out of the ordinary. It's the same thing every single fucking Blizztard (and Hollow Knight fanboy) does - they look at their games as if they're the definition of MMO or ARPG or RTS or Metrodivania, and if you don't like something about it? Well, you just don't like the genre :^)

Fucking faggots, all of them.

>>719705160
Yes man, one warlock is totally more skilled than another at pressing shadowbolt.

>>719705245
>Dad gamers do show up without all consumes and all world buffs and prebis, that forms the low end of parses
And get kicked immediately for greifing.

>>719705263
>mashes 1
BRO IM PVMPING
>keeps mashing 1
MY PARSE IS SO HIGH BRO CHECK IT OUT
>keeps mashing 1
>gets no crits and loses to another warlock
classic parsing is genuinely insane

>>719705502
dad guilds dont require full consumes

>>719705508
Why do people keep going on about skill in these games? The fun part of WoW is to get better gear and watch the numbers get bigger, it doesn't really need rotations.

>>719705743
>get better gear and watch the numbers get bigger
Play Diablo then. It's way better for that purpose.

>>719705743
Because its not about playing the game, its about being better than others.

>>719705815
What's the point of getting bigger numbers if I can't measure that dick against others in a raid setting? Nah WoW is superior number go up.

>>719705508
>show up without all consumes and all world buffs and prebis
So what your saying is there are resources you need to go out and collect and manage. Almost like there's other things going on in the game to even get to the button mash
>>719705508
Yes, because warlock and mage are the only classes in the game.

>>719705815
nah wows pretty good at it too, at least vanilla

>>719705743
WoW gearing is completely dogshit
especially in classic with how little gear drops per player in raid

>>719705867
PvP is about being better than others, PvE is about mashing out damage and idly watching the DPS meter for some small dopamine drips when you're lucky enough to get multiple crits in a row.

>>719705612
Dad guilds fell apart before AQ40. The only people who were that shit and not getting blacklisted were GDKP niggers.

>>719706026
Less drops means each drop is more impactful, constantly seeing the screen fill up with loot gets old fast.

>>719701361
Yes.

>>719705940
>Almost like there's other things going on
Yeah, grinding. Which requires no skill, only time and sometimes luck.

>>719706143
plus the gear itself feels more impactful. You can feel the difference whenever you upgrade a piece of gear. where as in retail it's just like "oh all the same stats but 5 more ilvl, yippie"

>>719706070
I think Mag was the big filter on my server. Each layer of TBC saw more and more shitters get filtered with the final rape of anyone who wasn't also playing retail mythic being Ulduar.

>>719706297
>bro you dont understand I can FEEL this 1% crit in classic, but I cant feel 1% crit in retail
schizo posting

>>719706349
compared to upgrading black crow to rhok'delar? where's there's a noticeable difference in damage?

>>719706349
My victims felt a lot more sadness and despair when I got predition's blade in classic

>>719705204
ah yes you have two choices
reading a shitty vn
or simon says step out of the bad flowchart garbage

>>719706445
upgrading a weapon in any version of wow is noticeable retard

>>719687775
First, you should play Warcraft III, and should at least watch a summary of the stories of Warcraft I and II. This is important for laying the foundations of the story going into WoW. Next, you should understand that vanilla/classic WoW is not a story driven game. It really just has sort of background lore, for the most part, with a few plot threads to follow here and there in a way that most players missed or ignored. They didn't really make an effort to tell any kind of story until WotLK, and didn't really succeed at telling a story until MoP.

I will also say that the gameplay of vanilla/classic sucks compared to retail. However retail WoW has awful writing and world building, so if that's what you are after then retail obviously isn't going to do it for you.

>>719706297
I can definitely feel the difference in doing a big upgrade to a piece of gear in retail right now, especially in delves and PVP. Probably can't in raids, but you wouldn't be able to in classic either.

>>719705918
Exactly, that's the whole addiction loop. Diablo might give you a dopamine squirt from loot explosions, but WoW gives you that smug satisfaction of seeing your rerolls on the meters slowly climb above your guildies while you pretend not to care. Standing in IF with your sick gear and parsing 99s in MC is a lifestyle, not a game.

>>719708490
The addiction loop is a result of blizzard being a federal asset, it’s subliminal and you are cattle

i hate instance-centered game

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>>719687775
play LOTRO instead

>>719710010
I recomend Lotro
Especially now that they made a gift code where you got literally all the quest packs for free. expect the a few endgame ones

>>719697345
>he likes trans men