How did Hollow Knight because such a success in a market full of indie 2D side-scrolling platformers?I thought the market was saturated?
redditors just overestimate themselvesit's not that deep
>>719700654reddit was...right???
good game high production value
I guess luck, Hollow Knight was a 7/10 game if I'm being generous.
HK was pure reddit core though, without reddit it would've never been as successful
>>719700727back before they went full demovaxxx
>Twitter screencapKill yourself
Why is this guy spamming his twitter posts here? Fuck off.
>>719700654HAHAHAHAHA I didn't know reddit was this based
>>719700654>the anti-HK shitposting comes from lost redditors that are still assblasted about being wrongnot surprised in the slightest
>>719700654>https://www.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/3tj0p4/last_year_my_best_friend_quit_his_full_time_job/I dunno, a majority of the comments seem pretty positive.
>>719700654It had soul, something only Australians and Japanese can add to their own creation.
>>719700654>how did (good game) become a successHmm maybe the being good part?
SAR PLS POST IN MY THREAD SARI NEED RUPEES
>>719700654i genuinely don't know what's special about this gameit's probably just zoomers shilling the slop they grew up with
>>719700654It's an okay game. 6-7/10. The reason it's succeeding is because everything else around it is 4/10 at best.
>>719700654High production values and easy accessibility.
>>719701779Name a 10/10 game in your opinion.
Not technically wrong. It sold 15m in 7 years and lot of those sales you got at half off and from a humble bundle. The game peaked at 20k on steam for a long time but now "first time" Hollow Knight players are now playing it at it's peaked at over triple that amount at 71k players. I think most people are carried by hype over actually being long time fans of the game.
Based redditors telling it how it isHollow Knight is utter dogshitNormiecattle only like it because it's dark souls and metroid inspiredThe two things that's currently a fadTen years from now no one will even remember this shit game
>>719700654>>How did Hollow Knight because such a success in a market full of indie 2D side-scrolling platformers?I thought the market was saturated?Ok to start with I don't actually like Hollow Knight I think its overrated but I understand why its been successful,Competent Gameplay - its nothing special but isn't utter shit.Artwork - Its a good looking game with great character designsStory/World - The main reason why the game has been successful is that it did a great job of creating a world/characters that people found engaging thats why silksong has so much hypeTo be fair to those gay redditors all they had at the time was a trailer which made it looks like a 2d platformer which it really isn't and its not possible to get that engaging world from a trailer
>>719702267ROLLAN
>>719701779I've never even seen a 4/10 game. Most games are 7-10/10
Why are there 5 rock solid twitter screencap threads on the board right now? Why are there 1 rock solid twitter threads? Why is my ip blocked from making threads without a captcha but this twitter screencap fag is able to post? Is the 4chan pass just letting people get away with murder of the board?
>>719700654It's a Metroidvania, and Metroidvanias do better than simple 2D platformersRight now Metroidvanias are also fairly saturated but at the time Hollow Night came out it was a hot genre
>>719700654Stardew Valley got shit in the same way and it's like second or third now, only really behind Minecraft.
Mentally stable developers. Rare in the indie game world.
>>719702267>52-54what the fuck
>>719702319>Metroidvanias do better than simple 2D platformersanon mario wonder sold like 20 million at full price on one system
>>719703541>flagship franchise of one of the biggest game companies on the planet sold wellHow relevant
hollow knight won the lottery just like undertroon did, except I give hollow knight credit for being an actual game at least
>MetroidvaniaThis is the same as calling comics graphic novels. It's just a platformer.
>>719701316>still assblasted about being wrongqrd?
>>719703674op image.
>>719700654Most of those games are not very good.
>>719700654They're right tho. HK sucked
>>719700654If you happen to be the best you win OP.
>>719703050Lil bro got some.>>719702267Rollan.
>>719700654these have to be severely cherry picked cuz reddit is nothing but toxic positivity and 'wow i love ur game :) wishlisted, good luck sister' nonsense
>>719703624>another anon on /v/ doesnt understand the concept of subgenres episode
>>71970406099% of subreddits are echo chambers where you get immediately banned by some power tripping basement dweller the moment you say something slightly negative so yeah, using reddit for serious discussions is retarded
>>719700654Because it was super cheap..
>twitter screencap of a reddit screencap kill yourself
Huh odd to see that, but why take snippets of people who were right. Just because Hollow Knight still made it, was in spite of it being a side scroller metroidvania, and not because it was a side scroller metroidvania. And I bet that if I tracked down that thread, it would have a ton of positive comments as well, at the end of the day, you can do everything right, and your game might get buried in slop. Or you can get lucky, like HK did.
>>719702009Not that anon, but there is no 10/10. Perfection is unattainable.
>>719700654marketing by paid influencers
>>719703674check a mirror
>>719700654It "succeeded" by borderline giving the game away for free. It was a literal PSN+ game every Playstation user got handed to them.
>>719702043Nigga the devs made like 50 million each from 15 million sales Wtf
>>719702267ROLLANLET'S GO BLUE HAIR JAILFU
>>719702043>no you don't understand! just because it sold well enough for them to spend 7 years working without a care in silksong it doesnt mean it actually sold well!
>>719704849See>>719704942The ausniggers made AAA CEO bank
>>719704982>druggie instead Fug
They're not wrong thoughI tried Hollow Knight when it came out on the switch back in 2018 and it was not very good, I don't understand the appeal of this game at all
>>719700654Few of those 2-D indies are 40hrs+ metroidvanias.
>>719705149Quality > quantity
>>719705149>More hours = better
>>719702223>competent gameplayThe mantis lords are the best early into midgame transition boss in all of 2D gaming. An actual masterclass in giving the player a reasonable challenge and forcing them to become better at the game, but not a crushingly difficult difficulty spike. Also the music for the fight is great. It creates a memorable impression and hooks everyone who experiences it. The mantis lords share this early-mid transition boss title with Genichiro representing 3D games.
>>719702181your post was almost based, but Tekken 8 is fucking ass
>>719700654Cool visuals, great music, good formula, you can even make builds.
>>719702267>unauthorized necromancyYou can authorize that?
>>719701452How so? The top comment is complaining about game bugs.
>>719700654dude made a quality game, simple asdon't like it? don't play iteverybody misses the chuds, nobody misses the troons
>>719702267>raquel>minor consuming alchoholic beverageWhy would she give alcohol to a minor?
>>719700654There are probably dozens of equally good 2D metroidvania platformers out there that just never hit the big time. They just never get picked up by streamers, creators, favored by the algorithm, etc. and integrate into the social media zeitgeist. HK also got really big in Japan and China, which isn’t that common for Western games. I think it’s a fine game deserving of its success but I don’t think it’s substantially better than games like Nine Sols or Ori on any level to have achieved a greater degree of success that it did comparatively. But you either hit the jackpot or you don’t.
>>719702267hit me
>>719706275>There are probably dozens of equally good 2D metroidvania platformers out there that just never hit the big timelol no there ain't, newgrounds proved it>but success is only a matter ofluckaccording to socialists and other losers, surethat's why they always lose
>>719706384Let's see anon's LamboIt's entirely skill based to own one
>>719705809I don't play fighting games I just like the girls in it
>>719700654>my friendreddit doesn't allow self promotion, so was that actually him just shilling his game?
I tried HK and got bored after two hours. Everything felt like a chore and the atmosphere borrows heavily from Dark Souls which makes it dated. It’s well polished and the gameplay is smooth, guess it’s just not for me.
I got valdis story as a metroid in my lib, is it better than hk
>>719702267Wait what
>>719700654Reddit -> Twitter -> 4chanHave some self respect, please.
>>719705149Few of those 2-D indies are as boring as trannoid knight
>>719700654pure luck, like all indie slop.
It's been pretty obvious for years now that Reddit is a largely a hivemind of very stupid, sanctimonious people who just posture all day.
>>719706275HK is way better than nine sols. They’re also different genres anyways
>>719706458filthy secondary
>>719700654honestly funny how those comments are the most 4chany I've ever seen redditors act
>>719700654>howby being sold at $1.99
>>719701779what's good, crunchy inb4 he replies with "not hollow knight"
Hollow knight was the first actually high production values actually indie game. Great aesthetic, music, art, and even actually good bosses and world design. It was not only better than any other indie, it was better than most AA and AAA games of past and especially present. 2017 was a fucking glut of mediocrity. It wasn’t just that hollow knight was good. It was that it was obviously stand out in a field dominated by other titles simply going through the motions.
>>719700654e33 lost
>>719700718Just like people here then.
>>719703624ESL-chan...
>>719700654Hollow Knight is the most over hyped trash I've ever seen. Normalfags truly are cattle drones that will eat any goyslop.
>>719707043Now type it again without crying
4channers and redditors alike just want to be contrarians. This is always true. HK is a great game, it's really the full package.
>>719706275Nine sols has better gameplay. It has weaker music and map design. The story of nine sols, specifically the presentation format of very long winded npc talks gatekeeping character stat items, is a mixed bag. I even patiently read through every bit of text and 100% the game and I didn't find the story or characters very compelling or endearing. It was just ok.Ori is a fucking piece of shit franchise that doesn't even deserve to ever be remembered. Horrible games with nothing of value.
>>719707107most of society is thislike how everyone is hyping up BF even though we all know its gonna bomb and be trash, t hey just want to stick it to COD for cartoony ass shit theyve been getting away withor like hoow all the games industry is currently gacha and m obile shit but everyone pretends its not, a nd thinks some trash 20 dollar indie game matters at all when faggots paying 60 dollars for shark cards in gta 5 for 10 years straight
>>719707107This, and that’s why reddit and 4chan think e33 is a good game when it’s obviously shit
>>7197069892017 had good games but hollow knight was an early release so it was largely competing with 2016 which was hands down one of the worst years in gaming. Barely anything even released. Everything that did release was a sequel and one invariably worse than the previous game.
>>719706989No it fucking wasn't.
>>719707428Yes it was. The indies it was competing with were stuff like cave story, undertale, Minecraft, stardew valley also dropped about then. All great games. But you’re a moron if you don’t see the difference in production values between indies like that and hollow knight. We’re approaching nine years since hollow knight came out and it still has higher production values than the vast majority of indies. Looking good matters, and hollow knight looks really good. Sounds better.
A waste of bandwidth to illegally download this, in my expert opinion this sucks. fine, it's mid, 4/10.
>>719706989>Great aesthetic, music, art, and even actually good bosses and world designNone of this is true btw, it just came out at a time when everything else was so much worse, it's actually a game designed with cutting corners in mind Bastion was 6 years earlier and is still the high water mark for indie production quality and originality
>>719707717Cave Story looks and sounds better than Hollow Knight you no-taste faggot.
>>719707717You're delusional, HK looks like a low quality Flash game, doubly delusional since Cuphead exists and BTFOs everything else in the creative and production quality department
>>719707949>bastion>indie>developed by Supergiant>published by Warner bros If you don’t understand why hollow knight is more impressive you’re just not a smart person.
>>719707717Hollow Knight does not look good, it looks acceptable. Its soundtrack isn't great either, you people are impressed by the most generic strings ever.
>>719702267Finally some substantive content in this shithole.Rollin'!
>>719708059Underage and retarded
>>719708010Subjectively you can have that opinion. Unfortunately I’m talking about production values which hollow knight simply has more of.
>>719708139Like I said. You’re just not a smart person.
>>719708164Divinity: Original Sin 1 and 2 were indie games. BG3 also counts, it was self-published.
>>719708217Sorry for btfoing you, next time make sure you know what you're talking about before making retarded claims
don't quit your job to enter an extremely competitive, saturated field, is actually good advice. just because hollow knight was successful doesn't negate that.
>>719708241Correct.
>>719708259i don't see how some retarded idea that "it was indie briefly in development so it was still indie when WB got involved" is pertinent to anything, personally
>>719708259There are two people who don’t like hollow knight. People who haven’t played it and morons. I suppose you fit both categories.
>people pushing 40 still trying to bait over hollow knightsad times
>>719700654Hollow Knight is very mediocre, I honestly don't understand the praise.
>>719708241Larian got money from Tencent.
>>719708526Not for OS1 or OS2 they didn't.
>>719708353Supergiant is also a freelance study that’s almost exclusively done work on major titles, has a bunch of cash flow from the founders, and also isn’t four random guys working from home. They have staff and a building. Bastion is great, but it’s comparing a A list game studio to four guys. Baldurs gate 3 is indie, so is Undertale, that’s not a fair comparison to make because Larian is not what most people mean when they say “indie”
>>719708059>this game is better than all those AAAs>wait but what about X? X is better>well obviously it's better, that's an AA-UH...UHM..SXISTERS?!
>>719708556The post included BG3.
>>719708569Bastion is definitely not AA but Hollow Knight isn’t even A. Maybe it’s a
>>719708358Give me ONE reason to like a Metroidvania that is straight up not fun for 10 hours.
>>719702267I want to go on a joy ride with Juliana
>>719708692Dunno, it’s why I didn’t play ori. Don’t see how that’s relevant though
>>719706625Did he die?
>>719700654Memes
>>719702009Ketsui Deathtiny
>>719700654Oh man, that market saturation dudes. Shadow Complex and uh....La-mulana? It never stood a chance.
>>719700654We should be asking why metroid dread sucked so much after an 19 year wait?
>>719700654Hollow Knight was a corporate plant. I own it like 3 times never have played it from shit like humble bundle and ps plus. If I've learned anything exposure for cheap to have mass market appeal then get normies with standard price once there is "hype" then release sequel to product 1
>>719709106Axiom Verge. It was a very faithful vania but people kind of don’t still talk about it today for a reason.
>>719700654Instead we must trust anime posters on 4chan
>>719709491and now mh is western tranny slop and on life support kek
>>719700654They have a point, there's so many dime a dozen Metroid clones in the indie scene, HK is just one that managed to hit big.
>>719709552>heh... it took me a decade of doomposting...>but at long last... MH only sold 8 million in 3 days... heh>call me the mayor of vindication city
>Okay capcom, all you have to do is put a number in the game title so people will know its a main series game, you CAN count to 5 right?WORLD!>No a numberRISE>A numberWILDS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>>719702267rolling
Regardless of Hollow Knight's obvious success, it really is terrible advice to tell your friend to quit his job to make an indie metrovania.
>>719705737>a reasonable challengeBut it's a trivially easy boss. All Hollow Knight bosses are.
>>719705737No, I beat Mantis Lords with zero problems and it did absolutely fucking nothing for me. Found the music and the fight boring to the point where I started sandbagging by hitting to the music instead of whenever I actually could hit them. You have low standards, stop wanking this game.
>>719710223We're not going to get bosses on the level of rabi ribi bosses. Raven Beak is as far as you're going to get.
>>719700727back in the r/jailbait days reddit was based. there was even subreddits dedicated to racism towards each different race
>>719700654I now see a digital rainbow and just think of maggots.
>>719702267rolland
>>719700654Those redditors were 100% honest and right lol, HK aesthetics are disgusting and the gameplay is actually quite basic, it's lorefaggotry that carries the game.
>>719700654can't imagine what it would be like when jon blow announces his game for release, indie devs would have to take a whole year of vacation.
>>719700654By being polished and not costing $40 like that owl game nobody remembers
>>719707153>>719706275nine sols is much better but it came after it and was heavily inspired by it.I think the devs were calling it "hollow cat" in development.
