Path of Exile 2s newest update features an official depiction of Jesus Christ as the Son of God and savior of mankind, who is the subject of worship in a utopian society styled after high society Byzantium.That makes it a Christian game (and the most Christian game in a while). What are some other Christian games?
>>719706450>Christianity GamesChristianity IN games fugg :DD
>>719706450doom 2016
>>719706450It was rather refreshing to see Orthodox church and not the usual nigger loving gay shit
>I love being brainwashed, games should brainwash people more>t. /v/
>>719706450Christ was a con artist
>>719706889Well you could use it, you do have a rather dirty mind anon. HYUK HYUK HYUK
>>719706889Christ is the logical conclusion to the meaning of our existence and our purpose here.
>>719706949A con artist would have denied being the Son of God and gotten out of the trial
TLoU 2Specifically the Synagogue and Torah part, as Christianity and Christians true purpose and function and day to day words and deeds are to elevate and enrich Jews above all others, at any cost.There are tons of Judeo-Christian games out there if youre into that.
>>719706450That means you're going to kill him you retard. What do you think happens to gods in PoE?
>>719707207You literally free all of polytheism from atheism in PoE1
>>719707207The actual problem is that the Eldritch entities in PoE are much bigger than any God
>>719706889OP didnt say tranny games thoughbeit
>>719707264you kill a bunch of gods before the Kitava rematch though?
>>719707264And then you kill them.
>>719707095>Thinks evangelicals are Christians.
>>719706450
>>719707456>>719707452They're not dead-dead though, you absorb them then the game officially ends. The same way Innocence was absorbed by Bannon and was freed by sacrificing him, so does the PoE1 Witch contain all the PoE1 Pantheon Gods in herself
>>719706450>a jew saves you from going to hell (debated even by believers) because he intentionally pissed off a bunch of jews he hated for no reason and got himself killed I hate abrahamism and its faggot obsessives like you wouldn't believe.
>>719706450He's corrupted tho.
>>719707056>logicalokay stay in your lane of "you just have to believe"
>>719706450Witchfire. You are a Vatican's wageslave.
>>719707595>for no reason
>>719707517And then we kill him, like everything else.
Jesus was a jew, bible was written by jews.I ain't falling for no jew psyops, enjoy being brainwashed, christkeks.
man, remember the dead babies at the beach in poe
I rape jesus
>>719707708https://youtu.be/3qcxQTjP6cghighest IQ holder btw
Once again, the Jeets and Jews can't help themselves being snti christ and shilling for Odin cum slurping.
>>719707992
>>719707493>is going to pretend that [insert cathcuck] is actually doing anything but working lock step with ZOG flooding everything with shitskins and social welfare to steal from whites and providing all manner of protections and legitimacy to jewsShow me your place of worshipShow me a video of your religious leader speaking against the JewsShow me a video of you or someone from your mob speaking against the Jews and the mob or religous leader agreeing/applauding you.Surely you arent a digital larper like everyone knows and sees here every single day.
>>719707938>I ain't falling for no jew psyopsanon..
>>719706450we need to get rid of Protestantism in games and in real life
>>719708197Dead babies are mobs now
Jesus is a rape victim
>>719707938there was no such thing as a “jew” back in the days of Christ. Christ was born in Galilee and followed the doctrine of the Nazarenes. the term jew did not come to be until 500+ years after Christ when the pharisees compiled and wrote down their spoken only doctrine known today as the talmund.hope that helps clear your misconceptions bro.
>>719706450just cause 3> rico prominently wears a cross> ingame monasteries that act as refuges> local churches in towns> light up small shrines for your death rebellion friends
>>719706450I dont know but I wish there was a game about evading OT God's insane, childish whims. Like that time he randomly tried to kill the guy meant to take his people (the jews) out of egypt for no reason and also took the pharaoh's free will away so he could kill a bunch of egyptians or that other time he ruined a devotee's life and killed a bunch of people over a petty bet with Satan. Like a horror game where you play as some random kike in that era.
>>719706450Game?
>>719708487It says in the post
>>719708119Logical fallacies the videoAlways when I try to find a good video proving god exists I always find retards defending stupid aspects of their particular religion
>>719707517What will you do when you kill him? Game seems anti Christian if anything.
>>719708563Nigger how could anyone possible prove the existence of god?
>>719708652usually thats easy to do with things that exist and many people are sure he exists so why not look up if maybe they have a point
>>719708563the path opposed to Christ is one where we live against our self preservation.
>>719707595>a bunch of jews he hated for no reasondid you forget the whole part when the jewish temple was full of greedful merchants.
>>719708732You can't prove or disprove something that is fundamentally outside of existence.
>religiontardery in the big 25just admit you like being part of a social group that acts nice towards you because you do their dumbass rituals
>>719708848is that why you cut off your dick
>>719707938It’s clear you haven’t read the Bible in any way because the biggest criticizer of jews is God Himself. The gospel of Saul, a Jewish elite who murdered Christians all across Rome, was converted to Christianity and became one of its greatest proponents. Saul spends a lot of his time talking about the wickedness of the law and the evil of the Pharisees, same as Christ did. While you’re on a message board scribbling anti-semitic remarks and conflating Christians who are not privvy or shy away from the uncomfortable of message of Christ with Christ and God, Christ himself was crucified for daring to oppose those who saw themselves as holy, a truth they hated so deeply that they chose to kill Christ over an actual murderer. “Let his blood be on our hands and the hands of our children” were the cries of the Pharisees to Pontius Pilate, who washed his hands of their decision. If you truly believe what you do, and you think that Christianity demands adherence to jewish and Israeli demands, then I implore you to read any of God’s comments about the jewish people.
Why do people want to turn their own religion into entertainment?
>>719708798Well thats very convenient for your argument. If I say god wears a blue hat that would be stupid, and yet all religions came up with their ideas of what god is and what he wants which is impossible because he is outside of existence, one might say he is inconsequential since there is no footprint of god in our world
>>719706450Turns out in Act 4 you fight this faction for first time and they're some weird anti-god personality cult. Artbook spoiled that they're being fooled by one of the Breachlords aka eldritch horrors from another dimension.
Why do pol tards seethe at Christianity so much?
>>719709021What argument? That's just the way the cookie crumbles, it's a very simple premise.>There is a force outside of existence>Therefore we can't use our base reality to prove itIt's why the whole thing is called >FaithIn the first place.
>>719709104poltards are the ones that larp as trad christians
>>719709037>Another le religion is le evil and corrupt gameSigh.
i want to fuck preggo mary so hard, pump her full of cum while joseph watches
>>719706889t. loves judaism and pisslam
>>719709275youre not offending anyone aside yourself
>>719709229This, games shouldn't be realistic all the time.
>>719709329shut the fuck up and ai gen my post
>>719709229No the Twilight Order is a weird order of fanatics that look religious but they're anti-deity completely. They're more like evil agnostics. The game's setting just goes the Elden Ring route where gods are born mortals who gain godhood from worship, then the powers sponsoring them are some unfathomable Lovecraftian space horror shit.
>>719709104Because, it's the only religion that reminds us that we can't save ourselves. And though a lot of people can't see God's love, they take it for granted every when they wake up, go to their job, eat a meal, hug their loved ones. Anything thats truly good in your life, was given to you by God.
>>719709415You can spin it however you want but it is what it is. No different than any church is evil plot in a JRPG.
>>719709215>has never been to /pol/
>>719706450Correct me if im wrong but doesn't the mere idea of playing vidya goes against the Christian practice itself?
>>719706450daily reminder that jesus was most likely just a schizo retard. change my mind.
>>719709508Why?
>>719706450>What are some other Christian games?Command & Conquer
>>719709512Maybe shizo but not a retard>I am who you say I amPlausible deniability master
>let me talk about christianity on the site that regularly mocks religion in generalLil bro...
>>719706450Path of Exile is set in the real world?I didn't know that
>>719707056The only difference between your faith and a homeless guy screaming about aliens on a street corner jacking off is an organization designed to rape everyone.
>>719709532Not the anon, but if a video games takes priority over the time you spend with God, then it could be viewed as going against Christianity.
>>719709532Generally speaking, most Christians themselves are against any representation of Christian symbolism in media outside from the televangelist and direct cinematic adaptation of New Testament gospels. Even "Christian concepts" like fighting against the evil represented as demons for the Universal good of mankind is frowned upon by the mere presence of any mythological depiction of those creatures. This is at least the impression that western media has left on me, because the Japanese reimagine all that stuff and make them cool (Look SMT series and Trigun for example).
>>719709512Christ is the marker dividing a time when polytheism, superstitions and rituals of blood sacrifice ruled the world to the new testament where in his name in the here and now we are free from our sins. no need for a middle man between man and God, no need for rituals and superstitions which only serve to complicate existence. Christ is the logos of our era. what all this mean on a deeper level only you can discover if you wish.
>>719706450Christians don't like it, but Shin Megami Tensei if one of the most Christian games out there. It just doesn't portray Christianity as something good. I wouldn't say it portrays it as something bad, either.
>>719709723Nah, that's just some crazy lunatics. Most people really don't care.>>719709717Time spent with god is private, it's only time taken away if you feel it that way yourself.
>>719709717There are worldviews that see presence of God in everything in existence, including the worst that you could imagine along with the best thing you could fathom. The Vedic and Neo Platonic God is all pervasive and undivisible, and the ultimate state of it is represent by Brahman and the Fifth Element (Ether). In other words, if you look outside of isolated semitic myths, you can validate the presence of God even jacking off to monster girl hentai.
>cross appears for 2msI can't believe christanity did this to me
>>719707938>I ain't falling for no jew psyops>Literally believes in the most ridiculous conspiracy theories on the planet including ones that are proven false repeatedlyYou're so enlightened
>>719709782>Christians don't like it>The most Christian game evet>Doesn't portray Christianity in a positive waySo Christian are bad for...>shuffles deck>draws a cardNot having their religion mocked by non-believersGot it.
>>719709601There's almost no mockery in this thread>>719709639THIS WORLDIS AN ILLUSIONEXILE
>>719709119Nta but that’s stupid and a deistic argument in the first place not even Christian
>>719709883>You can validate God by committing sinBro, you're addicted to porn. Seek God.
>>719709962It's literally irrefutable though.
>>719709934Where did I say that Christians are bad for not liking it, or that the game mocks Christianity?
>>719709942Anon... I can't tell if you are willfully ignorant or stupid.
>>719709119>>It's why the whole thing is called >>Faith>In the first place.its actually not, faith did not used to mean 'believe' in a literal sense, it used to mean something more akin to 'channeling', or 'covenant' which is what the Bible actually is (aka ol covenant and nu covenant)
>>719706450>this makes it a christian game>game portrays it as corrupt and bedeviled uuhh....
>>719710008I just explained that you can see other concepts of God outside the Hebrew scriptures.
>>719709450>No different than any church is evil plot in a JRPG.Pretty much everything is evil in PoE. Its a full on Berserk-tier dark fantasy world.
>>719709639It reminds me of some fantasy Chinese settings having the real life Buddhism in it.Thunderbolt Fantasy did it too.
>>719710165that makes sense in the context of Buddhist metaphysics more than Christian ones
>>719710032Yeah and you can’t prove I’m not an omnipotent being shitposting from outside reality through a human avatar either
>>719710218Yeah, so?
>>719710156But then it is truly not "the most Christian game in a while"
>>719706450Blessed is He.
>>719707056If your logical structure is heavily poisoned by jewish thought and values
>>719709726tldr yes, he was a schizo but so am i.
>>719710218you are
>>719709593whatever you say jewish schizo lover boy
>God is all knowing, all powerful, and is everywhere >This means he knew about things before he knew about knowing them>Which means he knows how your entire life will go and why, even before he thought about making you>Will still send you to the no no zone just because>People somehow claim that freewill is a thing
>>719706889Stop upsetting the cattle
>>719710445yeah christian theology is utterly brain damaged lmaocelsus completely raped them and they never recovered so they had to burn his works
>>719710287here bro in case you missed it>>719708391
>All these people falling for a simple bait in which a "chosen one" depicted IN THE STYLE OF JESUS is being conflated with Jesus (also this particular religion is depicted as overzealous and desperate, only to IMMEDIATELY turn on you and try to kill you the second you get too strong)>Also the chosen one is a lie>Is also spearheaded by a woman who is using a GIANT MONSTROSITY to corrupt people mentally and physically to reshape the world in her image, killing all gods (which should just be Sin & Innocence, but I've no idea what happened to Innocence) and freeing humanity from their grasp, with no understanding of how much she's going to fuck things up>And also without gods, the world would be free fodder for elder gods to come and feast upon
>>719710252It is if you play Templar. The guy is a true believer, even when his colleagues are corrupt. Or when theres hints that they might have originally worshipped a world destroying eldritch horror made of sentient dead suns.
>>719710521Its literally this Icon but redrawn due to copyrightThere's other Orthodox icons, I think one of Cyrillo
>>719707056true
>>719710745Wait you can copyright old paintings?
>>719710445Muh sterious ways
>>719709512I think that original Jesus was the real deal, and taught his people stuff that he learned at some point in ancient India from the masters, finding where the Hebrew and Vedic myths interceded between each other, and teaching the mechanics of re-incarnation and the practice of transcendental meditation to experience the divine. But something along the way it got in the mud, and that made the entire thing gross for any well educated person. The mere concept of religion is the same as political ideology, just something the rulers use to make the ones below follow suit over a constricted view of the world; religion was made to be abolished completely in favor to the persuit of cultivating power for personal transformation, and probably Jesus thought the same thing.
>>719710745And how does that disqualify what I said?>a "chosen one" depicted IN THE STYLE OF JESUSIt's not literally Jesus. Jesus.
>>719710817not because the old paintings are copyright, but because they cannot claim the assets in the game as their copyright.
>>719710445>God knowing the outcome/route the individual will take somehow invalidates the individual's free will (?) calvinism is brainletism I'm sorry
>>719710840>Vedic mythshuh? Jesus was trained by 3 Zoroastrian "Wise Men" not by Hindus
>>719710885I'm pretty sure I've seen older media in plenty of vidya, it's not like you have to claim everything in it as your own work, do you?
>>719710840>I think>probablyjust read the New Testament instead of whatever armchair philosophy/history you're conjuring up here
>>719706450christcucks are the furfags of this decade, you people are fucking unbearable, may your lord have mercy on how performative you bitches are.It's like I'm playing video games with moral orel or some shit.
>>719710894>God creates you>God knows the outcome of your existence even before he makes you>God at any point in the creation process can modify any aspect of your being so that you fail or don’t failThere’s no actual way to reconcile this
>>719710445Religions, and the model of reality that esteems from them are simply metaphors. The thing is, you could have a very real experience of each religion, but generally people are taught to just bite the bullet in their ordinary view of reality. Christian are made of the same cloth as Atheist because their entire approach to the world is just moral virtual signaling over political affairs.
>>719710991its a recursive magnet based choose-your-won-adventure game with infinite paths
>>719710745It's a fairly common motif.
>>719706450Christianity, like all religion, is just FICTION kiddo. So relax and keep dumb shit like this to yourself
>>719710984Incidentally public proclamation of faith could and should be considered a sin, given that yes, it is performative.
>>719706450>>719711074Same motif here. Down to the scroll/book in Jesus' hands and the two golden threads on Mary's coif.
>>719711074Look at the face/cowl and other Orthodox icons, it is literally the exact same
>>719706450Half Life 2's Father Grigori is Eastern Orthodox. You also enter an Orthodox church in HL2 lost coast.
>>719711105*tips fedora*preach, xister!
>>719710745The artists are just using references.
>>719710930Yeah, it's mostly my personal head canon.>>719710951Yes, "I think" and "Probably" considering everything is possible, and i just made it all up to make sense of some things. Remember that the bible as been exchanged, modified and altered, even from the days of the Torah, and most of the people are not even aware that the early Christians were mystics. We will never know how the original NT looks like.
>>719711304They use crosses, show the orthodox 3 fingers, are set in a Greek City where everyone dresses like Byzantine Emperors, the city is called a "utopia" and there's Greek text everywhere
>>719711387>Greek CityOn an island.In INDONESIA.
>>719711105To their merit, they could be seen as metaphors. And to the dismay of the atheistic, the entire scientific body of work is also fiction (which is controlled by intelligence agencies). Do you really assume that ancient people were stupid? That despite most of the myths finding common ground in some aspects between each other, they just made it up? Where those ideas came from in the first place?
>>719707056Shalom, Rabbi
>>719711387Again, they just reference lot of real world visuals for their fantasy factions. Very first area is a north european wilderness with a celtic feel to it, one of the NPCs is named Finn. Just like how the "Barbarian" race are fantasy Maori with very similar tattoos and styles but with fantasy names and gods.
>>719707056Elaborate
>>719710991>God creates yousure>God knows the outcome of your existence even before he makes yousure>>God at any point in the creation process can modify any aspect of your being so that you fail or don’t failwhy would he? just to fit your narrative? lmao. every human being up to a certain age is automatically saved. however, every human eventually reaches a point of consciousness when they can choose to sin and everyone eventually does it, which is why we need Jesus Christ. get savedJohn 3>6 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world; but that the world through him might be saved.18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil.20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved.21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
>>719711074Philosophical discussions and inquiries aside, Christian art like this is ugly as sin.
>>719711568A lot of the Karui Gods in PoE actually are real Maori Gods. In fact, the Karui are the most accurate depictions of Maori ever so calling them a fantasy race is a bit silly, so you chose the worst example.
As far as I remember from PoE the lore was a mix of ancient middle east and rome, so I understand how they'd get to Byzantium.But it's a bit weird to go for actual Jesus imagery.Can someone actually played the game tell me if there is any Bulgarian representation in PoE2?Any drinking from skull cups?
>>719711306>Remember that the bible as been exchanged, modified and alterednonsense. I believe God, as the creator of justice and truth, among everything else, protects His word so that we won't be judged according to the Word he allegedly allowed to get erased or changed. you lack faith; read the New Testament
>>719708219This is why I've turned my back on christianity. What a cuck religion
>>719707938>the holy spirit was a plant, a burning plant>zeus was a cow a white cow>odin was a birdThat's how dumb you are.
>>719711664>A lot of the Karui Gods in PoE actually are real Maori Gods.And Wraeclast is just Australia by other name, and New Zealand is Oriath. Again they just switch some things to make it fantasy. Kulemak is a necromancer name obviously taken from finnish word for death "Kuolema".
>>719711496except kikes believe Christ is in hell, avi
>>719709229What part of "you fight this faction" is too hard for your reprobate mind?
>>719711731>Any drinking from skull cups?Karui have their cannibal god named after Kitava islands, and then theres the fantasy Stargate Aztecs.
>>719711806>>And Wraeclast is just Australia by other name, and New Zealand is OriathUhh not really, its form of functioning is wayyyy more like the Mediterannian. The antagonists are the Roman Empire, and the Karui are basically Gauls/Franks to them. Sure you fight Koalas and Pitbulls as your main enemy, but its still way more like Med than SEA
>>719711775shalom
>>719711875>Uhh not really, its form of functioning is wayyyy more like the Mediterannian.Yeah but the geography is just like Australia and New Zealand. You have a continent with a desert in the middle, with a smaller island to the right side of it.
>>719710268Blessed is he who knows that it is a shame for a man to have long hair for it dishonors his head and the head of every man is Christ.
Jesus was a Pharisee. It's why he's constantly seen as arguing with them, because arguing your perspective was literally part of their doctrine. The Gospels just paint him in the right always since they were his personal disciples and fellated him every chance they got.
>>719710445If you know me well enough, you'll know what I am going to order at certain places. That does not mean that you decided what I'm going to order or that it's your fault. Food analogy.
>>719712004never go full retard rabbi
>>719710840you are citing the movie man from earth, lmao, come up with something original about your jewish schizo overlord
>>719711961Long hair in that time meant over a meter
>CTRL+F "Tainted grail">0 posts
>>719706450>his kid is a niggeris the PoE Jesus just a cuck?
>>719712027>That does not mean that you decided what I'm going to order or that it's your fault.If you created that food place and you created him and his cravings, then yeah it is your fault. You could've just not created either.
>>719706450https://store.steampowered.com/app/747360/Gray_Dawn/Horror game where you're a schizo priest
>>719712004Focusing on which form he took while walking this earth is retarded from a religious standpoint, because in the lore Jesus isn't some special human who ascended, but the always existing son of God who is God.
>>719706450I got a 3 day ban for making this exact thread once. They told me to ask /pol/ instead. I guess this thread gets to stay up though. Happy for you OP.
>>719712141What in TG counts as Christianity?
>>719712263Jannies are trannies
>>719712392Holy grail isn't Christian?
>>719711827Sunnis believe Shii'tes are le evil but I'm not gonna start strapping bombs to myself and raping 9 year olds. Cope harder, Moishe
Again I ask. Why did OP make a thread about christian games on the site that hates christianity?
>>719709415>goes the Elden Ring routePoE1 and its god lore came out before ER
>>719710643I dont understand. What is there to believe in then? What does he believe in?
>>719712448technically it's more of a christian myth derived from the religion, but I grant you that it should countbut as far as I got into TG (near the end of the second big area), nothing struck me as Christian themed
>>719708652miracles. The same way Moses and Jeebus had to convince thousand of unwashed illiterate peasants, but me, living 2k years in the future, somehow supposed to just take your word for it.Watch this post get ignored btw. Have never gotten a reply from a gnostic tard
>>719712649"Innocence" who is a prototypical Deus Sol Invictus
>>719707938>waswhat happened?
PoE2 is also a Christian game you need to tithe your real money to it
hinekora's bushy pussy
>>719706889We need healthier religions than communism, fascism, and progressivism, let them be
>>719708652By pure logic
>>719706703Your fagdit slop will never be christian, metal, cool, brutal or badass.
>>719709643>Judaism out of nowhere
>>719712765In this age only Anti-christ would.
>>719712448Is Arthurian. The Grail stuff was a mesh between some "Pagan" stuff and Christian slant.
Metro 2033https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4OCQFTn1jGw
>>719708219All the evangelist and protest churches that I know are owned by Jews.
>>719707056Logical? It is the opposite of logic.
>>719713139how convenient
>>719712141game has such a cool premise, a shame everything else is trash tier
>>719713260That's how free will works.
>>719713234Another affirmation of the Demiurge.
>>719708563This. There is a MIRIAD of gods in the endless possibilities in existence, but aaah, it happens that the desert demon death cult deity is the correct one, wow. >>719708119Come on man, there is even more ancient stuff than the Bible, and who knows what there was before all the semitic nonsense. The mere fact that i can act outside that point in reality means something. The concept of God is beyond all metaphor and myth.
>>719713295Combat is at the start because you're struggling so hard.3rd area I was pretty much one or twoshotting everything either with a mace or magic. My actual first playthrough I skipped the entire 3rd area by straight up going into the tombs with the status effect cube and lightening spell.
>>719713310sounds more like cope but whatever. I know better than to argue with believers when their beliefs are based on nothing
>>719713409Very enlightened of you.
>>719713234Was epicurus this retarded or did some internet rando just made this up? What's even his definition of good and evil? Anyway, someone post the edit
>>719713462I tip my fedora to you gentlesir
>>719713550Well mannered, too!
>>719713409You have to understand that believers just act on that, on belief. They don't care if it makes sense or not, they already made their choice. It's better to just know the facts and decide from there, but again, arriving at that point is also a choice to make.
>>719711616>when they can choose to sin and everyone eventually does it, which is why we need Jesus Christ.Whether or not you accept Jesus is one of those things that’s determined by God at your creation, it’s a really simple thought process lol I don’t understand why religious people struggle with the concept of what “omniscience” is so much
>>719713539>>719713234https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Epicurean_paradox>Epicurus was not an atheist, although he rejected the idea of a god concerned with human affairs; followers of Epicureanism denied the idea that there was no god.
>>719713234>an all-powerful, all-knowing, all-good God could and would do what I think he shouldpretty pretentious, did Epicurus really say this?
>>719711745Alright, but you could hand me over information, and i could change it to suit my ends if it comes down to it, even obfuscating the facts in the process until the core message has been dissolved.
>>719713405ive just full cleared the first map and combat was either dodgespam vs hp sponges or one shot everything with a fireball
>>719713234YHVH being omnipotent is a mistranslation by retarded greeks, lmao. It's literally in the name: he's Yod-He-Shin-Vav-He, not Aleph-He-Shin-Vav-He. Yod by itself implies the limitation of both time and existence, as opposed by the archetypal and timeless Aleph.
>>719713794no>There is no text by Epicurus that confirms his authorship of the argument.
>>719713814If God would allow his message to be obfuscated how would He then be able to judge people according to it AND be truthful and just at the same time? You're treating God as he was a fallible human being
>>719713948Damn, so atheists just believe something they read online and act on pure faith? Whew..
>>719713981And you're limiting the concept and idea of God to just one isolated mythology in particular. Which, is alright, your choice, and it's true, but a greater level of truth is that the core idea of God transcend all metaphor from everywhere. A greater truth is the secular concept of God.
>>719713981>You're treating God as he was a fallible human beinghe is treating God even worse than as a fallible human being, he is treating him as - may God forgive me for uttering this word - a woman
>>719706450>What are some other Christian games?The Dragon Quest games. In one of them you literally have a friendly bout with God and when you win he gifts you some cool shit because he's proud of you.
>>719714015pretty much. faith used to be a shield for the retarded to not get manipulated into becoming evil retards. without faith, the retarded follow whoever screams loudest.
>>719714183My sides. But im mostly talking about the institutions. (Which, yeah, also act like women)
>>719713234>if God doesn't do what I want Him to do then He isn't realShit like this makes me ashamed to call myself atheist.
>>719706814>byzanitum fell due to centuries of trying to be reasonable and compromise with arabs
>>719714436The terms “omnipotent, omniscient, and all-good” necessitate certain conduct to remain true otherwise they’re just words
>>719712448Are you for real? TG is as heretical as it gets. Isn't the Holy Grail there the All-Mother's and like strictly for Arthur?
>>719714545the extent of his knowledge is the name of the game, is my guess
>>719714543They are words he gets to define. What he does IS all-good, not what you want him to do.
>>719708571He's the act 5 boss, The Beast (combined with Sin most likely) will be the act 6 boss
>>719714527I thought it was because jews were literally poisoning their well water sources
>>719713229I don't know why people can't just re-imagine their religion at this point just like Jews use it for their purposes. If they actually believe honest to god in the divine, what it's exactly preventing them from just making up stuff too to enrich their worldview? Christcucks are called like that for a reason; their dismay is self inflicted.
Wrath of Malachi let's you 「catholic blast」 vampires to death
>>719714109>And you're limiting the concept and idea of God to just one isolated mythology in particularyes. I skimmed through the few main religions that there are and the Holy Bible is the wisest by far, and is the only one where humans are not expected to save themselves through their own deeds>but a greater level of truth isthat's your opinion. seek the truth and you'll find it instead of relying on some secular set of ideas that is built on sand and shifts every 20 yearsMatthew 7>7 Ask, and it shall be given you; seek, and ye shall find; knock, and it shall be opened unto you: 8 For every one that asketh receiveth; and he that seeketh findeth; and to him that knocketh it shall be opened. 9 Or what man is there of you, whom if his son ask bread, will he give him a stone? 10 Or if he ask a fish, will he give him a serpent? 11 If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your Father which is in heaven give good things to them that ask him?
>>719714696>Go is good because we defined him as goodNice circular logic
>>719713234That's the most basic bitch take that only retards who know absolutely nothing about Christianity think will stump anybody. Evil exists because freedom exists. God gave humans free will, and true freedom includes the freedom to do bad things. Freedom is great.
>>719714696Evil is defined in the Bible so your meme circular dismissal doesn’t matter
>>719715239>and is the only one where humans are not expected to save themselves through their own deedsAnd this is a good thing why?
>>719715279>God gave humans free will>within a system he himself created with foreknowledge of every event that will happen within that system, including the actions of said humans which he also createdlol
>>719710745Can't wait for the Koran or Talmud to be used as a basis for the evil religion, any day now surely.
I have christgolem fatigue.
>>719715428Maybe god doesn't have free-will.
>>719715462>Quranused in Jojos Bizzare Adventure>Talmudused in Shin Megami Tensei
>>719708652I think the closest you can get is proving the existence of life after death through things like NDE experiences where they corroborate things that they saw/heard while a spirit, with things people saw/heard while alive. Which has indeed happened plenty of times, but the cope is usually they just happened to "guess" correctly, the people were "in on it" (including doctors and nurses in many cases), they weren't actually dead and their mind formed a mental representation of the surrounding area and just happened to correctly "see" what everyone around them was doing/saying, etc. etc.Pam Reynolds is one of the best cases for evidence of NDE's since she was purposely put to death in a controlled setting (surgery), had her brainwaves measured as being flat, had an auditory device in her ear that would click intermittently (which would show a spike in brainwaves if her brain was active enough to process sound). The copes for that specific case are pretty ridiculous.
>>719714937no its because arabs would jihad, they would fight them to a stall, then make peace seeding territory because war bad, repeat for centuries.super cucked its a real shame
>>719707056finally, someone has to say it. your truth is rattling the demons itt
>>719715521If he's all-powerful he could just make himself have free will
>>719708119>highest IQ holder btwHe's dumber than me John 1:18BEGOTTENverbliterarypast participle: begotten1.(especially of a man) bring (a child) into existence by the process of reproduction.
>>719709643What do you disagree with about what Jesus said?
>>719715665That too has been predetermined by himself so he both has and hasn't.
>>719707775>>719708747>people making a living in 33 AD when the average life expectancy was maybe 27 years old >oh no not people buying and selling goods in a hecking templerino >I will now act like a nigger >oh no why am I being arrested? You are guilty for arresting god!
>>719715239>seek the truth and you'll find it instead of relying on some secular set of ideasYes, because the "truth" is exclusive of some specific cultural flavor
>>719715758>Dude can't even go against the program he himself wroteOmnipotent? More like omnicucked, lmao
>>719706450I haven't played since the beta, how is it?
>>719716073better
>>719716065Isn't that by definition if you say that something is all-capable? Like, the whole idea necessitates a paradox to even function.>Okay make a rock that you can't lift if you can do anything
>>719706450there are no christians on this board. only feel good reactionary rightoid "christians"
>>719715414because it's transactional and points to it being of purely human origin
>>719716065I make games and I can't go against the programming of a game I designed either. To go "against" it is to go to the engine, change the code, and play it again. But even if I do that, I'm not "going against it", because...you can't "go against it".
>>719716027? I told you to seek the truth yourself and you will eventually find it if you're honestly looking for it. good luck
>>719715469shalom
>>719710445How is God knowing what you will do out of your own free will before you are even made invalidate the fact you have free will and are choosing to do said things He knows you are going to do out of your own accord and wicked nature?>>719710991Why would He change anything?Everything He makes is perfect by design and as He intended it to be. Just because you personally choose to go about doing things your own way instead doesn't invalidate God's creation. He could have chosen to just discard you at any point from memory and never make you, knowing what you were going to do, but He didn't since He loves you along with everyone else and wants you to actually get to live the one life here on Earth He has prepared for you and eventually come to Him through all the trials and tribulations you had to deal with in life up to that point based on your own choices you have made that led you to be where you are so broken that you have to ultimately beg him for help and recognize you can't do it by yourself since you're way of doing things doesn't come anywhere close to God's Will for you and your life.
Why's this website and it's userbase so fucked in the head?I'm not asking this as a newfag, I'm asking this as someone who has been here for over a decade, partook in the culture and usual shitpost flinging and shitting on others, but every since I became properly Christian, there's something that just changed about my entire feeling of this place. I barely ever post here like once or twice a month instead of daily, if something comes up like a new game release and that's about it, and every time I open it up, there's just something stirring in me that makes me feel disgusted and unfitting to be on here anymore. I started noticing the huge amount of conversations where people do nothing but just insult and curse at each other with no point for anything more and more and it all just feels so absolutely vile and disgusting, I just can't explain it but it feels like whenever I open this thing up again, I'm entering Sodom and Gomorrah, and anytime I don't conform to the usual shitposty personality that's been made up around this place, I just immediately get pointed at and shat on an either immediately called underaged or a newfag or whatever other type of slur possible depending on the context of my post.This whole thing was something I had awareness of before this as well, but generally just ignored or tried not to pay much attention to it, but now it's just this feeling of filth that I keep getting myself in whenever I come visit again, which I shouldn't be in anymore or engage with.
>>719716451>How is God knowing what you will do out of your own free will before you are even made invalidate the fact you have free will and are choosing to do said things He knows you are going to do out of your own accord and wicked nature?>put ball on an incline>the ball rolls>”Wooooow why did the ball choose to roll”
>>719711576humans from birth have a longing to seek something aside just basic survival. the bible perfectly describes what happens when humans allow themselves to beconsumed by this search. the more attached we are to matter the more animal we become and the more we manifest hell on earth. To live apart from Christ is tolive in opposition to our self preservation and God. Christ is the universal archetype of liberation, in his name in the here and now we break any contracts we may have formed with the principalities of evil. we are free from our sins/karma by his sacrifice. what this means in a deeper level only big brained bois or completely utter retards may understand and feel. I say this unironically.
>>719716326I already know, retard. Facts doesn't care about religion, that's just your choice. Before your semitic myth there wasn't a semitic myth, and things were running fine because nothing comes from there alone, and will be still running after the semitic myth dissappear somewhere across the ages to come if that happens. The truth is that which never change, and the world around you and all religious notions are part of the field of change. But if that's where you want to left it, well, that's (You)r choice.
>>719716556did the ball have the choice to go upwards but decided to go with the motions and roll downwards? your analogy attempts to take the agency away from people and blame God for one's wickedness and lack of will. why?
>>719716691what's semitic about Christianity again?
>>719716138>>719716314Multiple christian scholars proclaimed that 'omnipotence' absolutely includes the ability to against the laws of logic, which makes sense if you think about it: if your powers don't include this ability, you aren't all-powerful by definition. So yes, an all-powerful god would be able to create a rock he can't lift, lift it and somehow ensure that it's not a paradox.
>>719716654>To live apart from Christ is to live in opposition to our self preservationStopped reading there. Self preservation is just common sense, nothing to do with any bizarre analogy. You're confusing the general notion of an story of life with your personal feelings.
>>719716813Precisely, it is fundamentally beyond our understanding.
>>719716451>How is God knowingHe's all-knowing by definition
>>719716719>did the ball have the choiceIt did but I already knew it would roll when I made the ball, and I designed the ball to roll
>>719716793I should have know that you don't really care about the truth. You people are helpless.
>>719712004>Jesus was a PhariseeThis is only a problem to you if you're american.
>>719716967You will never even approach truth.
>>719716834in our society our government doesnothing but lie to its people, our food fullof poison and heavy metals, our education system wants us dumb, the media wants us fearful and mind controlled. in our current world we live against our self preservation in every single aspect of out existence. where is this common sense you speak of? by the way all that is unfolding before our very eyes has always been told and repeated. there is literally nothing new under the sun after all.
>>719708429people complain about religious themes like this but they never really show up in anything that isn't cutscenes, I kind of liked it in JC3, felt thematic and nicemuch like how i liked all the gangster churches in ghost recon wildlands or whatever the first one was called, all the cool imagery and statues were nice and didn't feel out of place
>>719716547>since I became properly Christian, there's something that just changed about my entire feeling of this placeSince you became an emasculated pussy, it's only natural that you will no longer feel comfortable frequenting a place that challenge your dogmatic belief with basic common sense, even in metaphysical and philosophical aspects. However, despite what this site tell to themselves, you are free to go any time you want.
>>719712004yet he spoke Aramaic and the pharisees spoke hebrew
>>719716556Because the ball is not a living thing and is affected by gravity, thus forced to roll down the incline. You're a living thing and no one is forcing you to do the things you do which are disgusting in the sight of God and would have you immediately sent to Hell. You choose to do them every single day out of your own accord because you have no fear of God to stop you from engaging in them, or love for Him to begin with to cause you not to engage in such things as not to grieve Him.>>719716869Case in point. You don't care. You don't know Him, nor love Him, nor fear Him since your entire point here is to keep on going in loops arguing over the same thing that's already been proven countless times before but thinking that you specifically somehow have what it takes to come up with some kind of argument no one else ever came up with to disprove something you don't even believe in but for whatever reason are dead set on an obsessed with proving as wrong.
>>719717039But enough about you!
>>719716967>no answerokay. interesting
>>719715986>they dindu nuffin
>>719714527After spending two centuries trying to recover the western half of the empire and wasting lives fighting mesopotamian trash.Also the collapse came thanks to the forth crusade and the sack of 1204.
>>719717217>n-no y-y-youso this... is the power... of antiChristians. very impressive
>>719716073I am cpu bound with a 5900x and the game runs like absolute shit. Act4 and the interlude were very cool. But after 2 maps at sub20 fps in combat with dips below 15, I flushed it.
>>719717220I said everything i needed to say, but keep just casually ignoring me and changing the subject matter to protect your feelings, whatever, not my problem. As a matter of fact, you can keep coping all you want, the natural course of things take care of itself anyway.
>>719717136>basic common sensewhere did that come from? oh, right, it created itself, gotcha
>>719716863>>719716869This is exactly why Islam quietly sidelines the whole free will thing, lol>All happens as Allah wills, but you still shouldn't act like an asshole because reasons lol
>>719717339the irony of this post is palpable
>>719717209>you specifically somehow have what it takes to come up with some kind of argument no one else ever came up withBro this is basic bitch Calvanism and it’s an easy conclusion to come to on your own, I stopped taking you seriously because you won’t actually engage with the premise
>>719717397in case you didn't notice Islam awaits the "messiah" (which the Book of Revelation describes as THE antichrist) along kikes
>>719707056>Christianity is the end-all and be-all origination of spirituality and divinity>If you don't believe me then I will judge you and insult you over and over!These threads are always a mess.
>>719717380Apparently Asian people lack common sense despite their advanced civilization despite never having nothing to do with your particular myth you are so immersed into. There was a world before that, but you already knew. >>719717446The only way to win a con game is just getting out, there is no sense to bother, you just learn to move on. As i said, helpless people.
>>719717506>no argumentcalvinism is peak midwittery and not supported by the Bible. what was your point again?
>>719717136>freshly out of college manchild with a useless diploma in philosophy starts mouthing about his perceived overly inflated genius intelligence and arrogantly boasts about how proud he is to be above every other person that doesn't have the same mental faculties and 'smart papers' as him makes a self-fellating postmany such cases. i'll just remind you of something you should carry with you for the rest of your life. you're nothing without God. the very thing you're even attempting to boast of now and be proud of, you wouldn't even be able to have if it weren't for God allowing you to have it in the first place. remember this when in the future you will inevitably end up mentally handicapped and miserable to the point no amount of trying to logic your way out of thing is going to work and you have to admit you don't even know half as much as you think you do. God is the only reason you have the things that you do not and if you continue to forsake Him, He will eventually take all His gifts away from you and leave you with your own delusions of grandeur.
>>719706949yes christ was a jewish scammer, and his goal was to turn the gentile into obedient slaves BUT he got overwhelemed by the reality of the holy spirit and by his sacrificed he freed all the people from the jews and eradicated the jewish people.He is thus the saviour of mankind as only real christians can see the jews for the snake that they are and eradicate them, as well as turn the cult of the demon yahwe into the cult of a mankind loving deity
>>719717531Christ is very simple bro. even some lady who never learned to read or write may find salvation in his name. you schizo chart is not needed bro thanks though.
>>719717578Dostoevsky is so insanely based.
Jesus Christ was one of 4 Enlightened Prophets sent to us.The other 3 were Zoroaster, the Buddha and Adolf Hitler, and there will be a 5th one soon.
>>719717620>you're nothing without God.Never said otherwise. You're THIS close.
>>719706450>Jesus Christ as the Son of GodNot Christian.
>>719717620>projecting
>>719717506what premise? you've already been debunked multiple times and your go to is to just keep on looping around the same argument trying to disprove God. you're just poisoning the well, there's no point in engaging.
>>719717620Cool story bro. Do you tell yourself this kind of stuff and get scaremongered that easy?
Why are atheists always so uneducated, whiny and joyless?
>>719717610>not supported by the Biblelol no, Paul likens non believers to common pottery prepared for destruction in a Romans chapter explicitly addressing predestination. Free Will is unbiblical.
What has to go wrong in your life to start worshipping the cadaver of a jew?Like, if Jesus was Roman or something, it'd be kinda excusable, but he's a fucking jew how the hell do you even reach such a point.
>>719717823Because having to choose between your religious flavor of bad taste and stupid pseud atheism is a false dichotomy that christcucks themselves created, so you see people who don't agree with that worldview like that. You see what you want to see.
>>719717667The only true post ITT.
>>719706450>deadeye
>>719717724>Never said otherwise.>"a place that challenge your dogmatic belief with basic common sense"a fat liar and a snake on top of being a deluded proud and arrogant prick as well, i see. surely you will have a great life ahead of you clinging on to this way of being.
How come almost every single major scientist, philosopher, artist, architect, general, conqueror, humanist, writer, painter, musician, mathematician, engineer, king, warrior, scholar and explorer was religious?
>>719717667Buddhism is for cucks tho, hard to choose between that one and Christianity as the most pathetic subversion of their original sources (Vedicism and Mystical Judaism respectively).
>>719717762You haven’t debunked shit lol you just handwave the issue.>Does God know you will go to Heaven/Hell when he makes you?Yes, he is omniscient>Does God know what characteristics of yours will cause you to go to Heaven/HellYes, he is omniscient>Can God change those characteristics such that you will make the right choices so you go to HeavenYes, he is omnipotent>ThereforeGod makes people with characteristics that will damn them to Hell, knowing full well they will go to Hell.
>>719715469>>719716435idontknowwhosjewingwho.jpg
>>719717915its sad how you are unable to comprehend how utterly retarded your statement is.
>>719717620>worship the kike corpse or bad thing happens!!!!!!!!no
>>719717823Because they think it will make them appear smarter.And after that they stop thinking because they consider themselves the smartest.
>>719716813>somehow ensure that it's not a paradox.The issue is that there's no such thing as an actual paradox. It's seen as a paradox to humans, because humans don't fully understand it. God cannot do a paradox because, like I said, there's no such thing. A paradox is just a theory with missing information. God is truth, and a paradox, by definition, lacks truth.Basically I'm saying that any attempted "gotcha with this paradox!" is ultimately the user not having enough information.
>>719717823God allows them to have what they want as nonbelievers so that they can ultimately break and come to the realization they do truly need God in order to be whole or pulled from whatever stinking cesspit they managed to dig themselves into by constantly following their own whims and wants.It might take a long while until they eventually come to it, but that's sort of the point. Their life will just have to keep on getting worse and worse to the point they can't do anything in their own power anymore and have to either cry out to God to help, or end up dying and going straight to Hell.
>>719718072Because God is real. Christians just act like they have a monopoly on God (and all other religions worship devils). Unfortunately other religions being true or valid would completely undermine the entire point of a single savior figure, so they have to keep screeching and screeching forever.
>>719718097Why do you hate Him so much you feel the need to do all this stuff in such anger?
>>719718072Metaphysical notions of the world and acknowledging the divine has nothing to do with religion. Take away the doctrines and stick to the divine, and you have a more broad perspective. But of course, the establishment doesn't like how that sound. >>719718031Your entire worldview is a lie, and i can point that out with no effort at all. Your personal feelings won't make a difference.
>>719718187What a psychotic, sadistic and malevolent theology you have. And totally fucking wrong too, there's plenty of happy atheists that live fulfilling lives.You sound like a deranged lunatic upset other people live their life how they want, not in fear of the magical hebrew.
>>719707056read another book
>>719718290>acknowledging the divine has nothing to do with religion
>>719718314NTA, but deism is a thing."God exists but he doesn't do shit"
>>719717328I have a 13400f, performance was shit for me in beta, probably will still be shit lol
>>719707517>Griffith x Homelander
>>719718124Then explain. >"N-no i wont!"Then that's it. It's that simple. >>719718314Religion is dogmatic by the mere concept. Remove the dogma, but keep the divine (Yes, you CAN do that).
>>719718258Why are you so buttblasted you have to resort to ad hominem?
>>719717303maybe all these bad things are consequences of the mentality they had that being diplomatic and reasonable with people ideologically set on your complete annihilation was the correct choice, a mentality that has infected the west
>>719718248>Christians just act like they have a monopoly on God (and all other religions worship devils)But this is all true. Every single other religion out there DOES worship demons. and Christianity DOES "have a monopoly" on God because it's literally the one true religion which is that of the One True God who chooses to have people come to Him through it.You can't reach God through Islam unless it's Him trying to show you that you're in a modern day pagan cult that actually worships Baal and then have you turn around and leave it to so you can become Christian.
>>719718187God doesn't care about you masturbating.
>>719718298No, he's completely correct actually. Look at any atheist who turned to Christ. Atheists who remain atheist have no idea about the fulfillment they're missing out on.
>>719714527>>719717303Ultimately it fell for the same reasons the Western Empire fell, just slower because the East was richer and more populated.The Byzanthine Empire never really embraced Feudalism like the rest of Europe did which was in large parts an answer to the failure of the Roman Empire: all power concentrated on a single person. Meaning that without that guy the country is completely paralyzed and other talented individuals have a hard time rising through the ranks. Feudalism was much more open compared to the totalitarian nature of the Byzantine Empire in comparison.Compare it to the Holy Roman Empire which was the complete opposite to the Byzantine Empire in terms of centralization. While the HRE itself was poor the individual cities within it were RICH, while in the hyper-centralized Byzantine Empire ALL wealth flowed to Constantinople.A good example would be modern London VS i.e. Berlin. Due to the less centralized nature of Germany, Berlin isn't THAT rich but because of that wealth is more evenly spread out across the nation leading to greater overall prosperity... while the UK is COMPLETELY centralized around London, which siphons all wealth from the rest of the nation. In return London is "rich" (even though super high wages are still not enough to afford a basic home there) while the rest of the UK only gets poorer and poorer.The Byzantine Empire never looked at the Fall of the West and had DEEP reforms... they just said "skill issue" and kept on trucking with the same system, warts and all. Even without the Arabs the Empire was on a slow and constant decline. They got their asses kicked by the Italian city states, literally just individual cities, SEVERAL times.So on that note... Russia kinda is it's successor: on the outside great and powerful, on the inside a shambling decaying corpse that's more bark than bite.
Can God create a stone that he cannot lift?
>pseud reads Plato for the first time in his life and is now a "spiritual being" and disdains icky religion with its icky dogmaIt's almost funny how often I see this happen. I can guarantee that this is some fag in his early 20s who went through an atheist phase just recently but since atheists are almost universally regarded as lolcows he's trying to find a way to seem more intelligent by acting like a deist, thinking that that's an actual perspective any serious person would take.
>>719718072civilization and culture flourishes when the chaotic animal instincts get repressed, and religion is the biggest source of repression
>>719718478>No, he's completely correct actuallyNo he's not>Look at any atheist who turned to Christ.Look at Christians who left the Church. They'll also claim 100% earnestly that they are happier now.>inb4 but they're le wrong tho!!!!How would you know? Are you them? Do you experience their life?Just because Christianity makes you happy doesn't mean it makes other people happy too. Stop making assumptions you can't back up.
>>719718423it has been explained many times over in this thread. you cant comprehend it because you are not willing to give God a chance. its understandable anon, the path we walk is a lone and dark one. Christ is the light of the world. he is the only path to salvation.
>>719718573>since atheists are almost universally regarded as lolcowsNo they're not, except maybe by your retarded zoomer tradcat larp groups or whatever.
>>719718552Sure, and he also can change his mind and decide that he can lift it after all. Any limitations to god is just perceived absence, but the most holistic concept of god is just that flexible.
>>719718097How would you feel if cops came to your house and jailed you for crimes that you have yet to commit.You are judged at the end of your life, so that God can show you all the things you did and the path you choose.Also, hell isn't some fiery pit where devils stick their tridents into you but a place with out God. God knows and loves you and tries to help you to go the correct way, but let's you choose your own path. So in the end if you wish to go the path without him you get it.
>>719718298You don't really sound happy to me here, you just seem angry and in need to blow off steam somewhere so you chose that guy's post specifically to put every single insult and accusatory thing onto it you could without any further thought. You even insult God in your anger despite not even understanding what you're arguing or being angry against.Repent and ask Him to forgive and show you who He truly is and why you are or have to be the way that you are right now and He is faithful to forgive and answer your prayers.
>>719718675>it has been explained many times over in this thread.You people are so full of shit, first making shit up, then ignoring what it's told to you, then making more shit up that never happened IN REAL TIME. Holy shit, you know what? Keep your religion, maybe its better that you stick to that instead.
>>719710984in the span of a decade we went from cartoonish atheism, to cartoonish religiosity
>>719718613>They'll also claim 100% earnestly that they are happier now.An edgy redditor who stopped going to Church at 18 because he could finally disobey his parents and is now happy he doesn't have to get up early on Sunday isn't a person who has found true fulfillment from leaving Christ.Tell me, how does one leaving Christianity, get fulfillment from leaving Christianity? What do they replace Christianity with, now that it's gone, that gives them this new fulfillment, that they didn't have before?Good luck giving an answer to that that.
>>719718468>Christianity DOES "have a monopoly" on God because it's literally the one true religion which is that of the One True God who chooses to have people come to Him through it.Nigga its literally just kabbalistic texts interpreted by retarded greeks who didn't understand kabbalah. It's literally the LEAST true religion in the world (except maybe Islam, which is a corruption of a corruption)
>>719718702>Sure, and he also can change his mind and decide that he can lift it after all.You could have just said "no". I'll put it a different way: can God create a square with 5 corners? Or a triangle with 2?
>>719718754>You don't really sound happy to me hereYeah anon, you see, if you don't accept some jewish nonsense that has nothing to do with you, you will never be happy! Ignore the fact that you were completely fine before knowing about it in the first place. We can do this all day long niggers.
>>719718472Jesus started his cult among prostitutes and beggars, basically the filthiest people in society. Christians who despise filth also despise the real Jesus.
>>719718746Finally someone in this thread who understands what judgement is- it's judgement of yourself.
>>719718746Didn’t even address the argument just made an analogy to something unrelated 0/10P.S the entire “without God” binary is one created by God he could also make Hell exactly the same as Earth with a free path between the two and chooses not to
>>719718468Damn dude you don't even know Christianity's roots. The three wise men are literally Zoroastrian priests.
>>719718754I am perfectly happy anon, and that's not anger, but disgust.The doctrine you're describing is extraordinarily cruel, petty and vindicative, in the service of a being that does not exist.I'm sorry to say it anon, but like, you sounded giddy at the idea of atheists having all they love taken away and burning in hell for daring to not bow to god. That's not a benevolent theology in the slightest man.Now you can keep making assumptions about me, about how I'm unhappy or how I choose not to follow Jesus because I am a degenerate or whatever, but that's not the point. The point is that the shit you described was evil man, through and through.
>>719718072How come only a minuscule percent of them were christian?
>>719718863Yes, he can. And to answer your previous question more simple: Yes, he also can. He's god, he can do whatever, isn't? Altought, there is something that God cannot do. The "ultimate god" from which all things steems from technically cannot stop "existing" because he would be the last thing in the "Universe", and there has to be something remaining if everything goes down.
>>719706450>Mary and baby Jesusroman catholic brain rot
>>719718920>The doctrine you're describing is extraordinarily cruel, petty and vindicativeAccording to which set of morals and principles?
There are two types of people. People born whole who don't need anything to feel complete, and broken husks born with a hole in their heart they fill with drugs money or religion.I truly pity those incomplete creatures, they will never know what it feels like to not care about why we're here, what happens after we die, or any of that pointless horseshit.
>>719717303>>719718481Who sacked Constantinople? Im on the wiki page and it just said Crusaders. Please tell me my Anglo forefathers played a role in killing and raping slavs?
>>719713234Then what is the "logical" explanation for everything coming into existence?l other than an omnipotent being?
>>719718971Yeah, christian europe was a real shithole and never achieved anything of value.This is what atheists and "christcuck" posters actually believe.
Amazing thread. Christcucks forever BTFO by the metaphysical truth of this world to hell and back.
>>719718298>OMG! God is so psychotic and evil and mean for.... uh.... letting me destroy myself by the own choices I made...??>Like, OMG! Why doesn't he like... just... uh... directly intervene and force me to behave a certain way, thus completely forgoing the fact I have a free will and personally choose what I do?...>Like.. ugh.. Why doesn't God just treat me like a slave or animal and FORCE me to love him??>That is like.... so mean and evil and psychotic... the fact that He allows me the freedom to... choose even the things that would harm me...>It almost sounds like... He loves me enough to let me be my own person who does bad choices and all that.. but like.... at the same time... has the patience to not just outright kill me or force me to like him... but instead... choose to come to him out of my worn free will>Ugh...... This is all so evil.... because like, i choose to see it that way, lol.....
>>719718821>Tell me, how does one leaving Christianity, get fulfillment from leaving Christianity?Because you no longer have to live in fear of some imaginary magical jew? It's pretty fucking obvious anon.>What do they replace Christianity with, now that it's gone, that gives them this new fulfillment, that they didn't have before?To not have to live in a constant, walking contradiction anymore, to live your life to the fullest unbothered by some jewish scripture, and to not pretend there'll be something afterwards. You may call it hedonistic and materialistic and whatever, but it goes beyond that, and you know it too, deep down. You probably envy them anon, people who find meaning without having to fear for a thing that isn't actually there.
Reminder that you're arguing with 5 brown people who collectively make up 80% of all "christcuck" posts. The rest are literal underageb&.
>>719719113Mental illness
>>719719007No but your Anglo forbearers did allow for your former subjects to turn your shitty island into rape central.
>>719719002I mean I'd like to know the weather tomorrow and n the same vein I'd like to know what happens after I die?
>>719710745>>719711074>iconsidols
>>719719113>your choices are worship me or burn for eternity>yes this is literally the only system I could make lol
>>719719113God made evil.>inb4 muh free willGod could have easily made free will not lead to evil.>inb4 it's illogicalGod made logic.
>>719719002lel anon you're describing millennia old differences in people that have been recognized. The issue with yours is that the ones you're describing as the person born whole, is describing the person who is on the lowest levels of humanity, that being, the purely material and ignorant.You're a hylic, anon. I'm sorry.
>>719719002>he said, feeling like he has to share his opinion to random strangers on the internetYou must be truly complete and enlightened.
>>719719213One is practical and knowable within reason (weather). If they invent a machine that shows the afterlife beyond a reasonable doubt it I'd be curious, but filling your broken hole with lies just for comfort is the product if an incomplete human being.
>>719718187>stinking cesspit Most Christians are Africans or Latin Americans these days. Atheists live in the bay area, new york, tokyo, shanghai, etc. making 300k+ a year.
>>719718994>Yes, he can.He can't. He can redefine what a triangle is but he cannot form a triangle - as it is right now - with fewer than 3 corners because a triangle has 3 corners no matter what. He can change the rules of the game and make it so the very concept of a triangle is fundamentally different than what it currently is, but that doesn't satisfy the requirements. It is literally impossible no matter what. It isn't some logic puzzle, it is an impossible task no matter what your power is.
>>719718826It's genuinely astonishing how people like you who have absolutely no idea what they're talking about can utter the words out with such confidence and convinced of the fact they are in the right above literally everyone else out there whose studied and researched it all through and through countless of times and came to the realization is actually true.
>>719719043Every single thing of value which ''''christian'''' europe produced, was actually produced by hermetics
>>719719174Oh to be that poltarded, thats why you are poor, speaking my language well living in the nation Fallout is based on.
>if God real then why evil stuff happens??I think that other anon is right, there's actual underageb& itt.
>>719719085God never punished people for not praying enough.he punished his people when they sacrificed their children to false gods by passing them through fire.
>>719719284I didn't say enlightened, I get pleasure out of mocking people.>>719719272Oh wow the failures lionize themselves in their own writings? I've never seen that before. I included money in the hole people by the way, I'm far from materialistic.
>>719719260>God made evil.Your book, written by some dudes (Or allegedly the desert demon they serve) came up with the definitive concept of evil. How convenient. >God made logic.Well, under the facts you're handing to us, he may have used some cheap chinese labor at the moment to make that too it seems.
>>719718461The were not strange to violent expansion, they just hampered by internal and external strife and couldn't go on offensives anymore.The loss of Egypt meant a lot of the trade in the east went out of their hands, further dragging any plans of expansion to the ground. Don't forget that Justinian went on his own expansion on a whim of reconquering the west and only stopped because he ran out of money and manpower.
>>719719397>I get pleasure out of mocking peopleSo you're not complete then.
>>719706450How can Jesus exist in a world with witches and non-christian magic?
>>719719414what
>>719719174cool but who sacked Constantinople
>>719718915>The three wise men are literally Zoroastrian priests.How does that change anything?
>>719719324But if he redefine what a "triangle" is, and "everyone" agrees, then that would be the core concept of a "triangle" we would have, and people would never find out otherwise. Even for the Hebrew scripture, the point is that the guy started from 0, and went from there, because the ultimate notion of god is beyond all variations.
>>719719007Probably Italians and French shits if I remember correctly.
>>719719464Mostly Germans, with heavy Venetian assistance and coercion.
Is it harder to convince the most evangelical southern baptist that doesn't believe in evolution that God isn't real, or the most fedora tipping atheist redditor that God is?
>>719716073You still notice that PoE2 has a lot of unrefined parts to it, but it's pretty good if you can accept that.
>>719719463The logic contained in your framework is flawed man. For all pragmatic purposes, by itself it makes no sense.
>>719719143>Because you no longer have to live in fear of some imaginary magical jew? It's pretty fucking obvious anon.How does not having fear (it's not fear, but for the sake if your argument i'll call it that, though I certainly don't fear God, I fear failing myself) bring fulfillment exactly? You're not describing anything that gives fulfillment. You're effectively saying "I can sin without guilt" as saying that's fulfilling.>but it goes beyond thatThere's nothing deeper about hedonism as you're implying.>You probably envy them anonNo Christian would ever find envy in a person who has not found Christ. I find pity in those who do not know.
>>719718998to his own apparently, which are flawed and influenced by demons. ask him what he jerks off to or what he thinks of loli hentai and he will tell you that is fine cause just because it's not real children, it's can't still be counted pedophilia in essence. his set of principles and morals end the moment his dick gets erect and he's horny. you can't argue with someone who thinks relying on his own understanding of things is the be-all and end-all of things.
>>719707074Nah he did one better and faked his death lmao. Fell for it again award
>>719719448I don't have some huge hole in my chest I spend my entire life stuffing money or religion into to not cry myself to sleep at night. I still have functional dopamine receptors.
>>719719593Anon, I think you need to reread what I wrote, I think you think I'm arguing for the opposite of what I'm arguing.Unless I'm completely misunderstanding what's going on.
>>719719573It's about equal. One won't abandon his fantasy without proof, one won't believe in shit they can't see without proof.
>>719719631If there were no Christianity in the first place, will there be no god? None of you have answered that one, because your religion in particular is a recent phenomenon in comparison to what came before it. If you didn't came in contact to it in the first place, how would you deduce that it's the truth?
>>719719397>Thinks materialism is about moneylol anon, being materialistic is being of this world, and only of this world. That's it.
>>719717667Adolf dicklet isn't among them and are hot lead like a bitch instead of facing his death like a manDon't compare that faggot cuck to those who defeated death, he died like a bitch faggot
>>719719326>above literally everyone else out there whose studied and researched it all through and through countless of times and came to the realization is actually true.My guy, the ENTIRETY of post-medieval european philosophical thought is based on kabbalah and egyptian alchemy. Are you going to argue with Kant or Hegel? Or maybe with Goethe? I'm not even talking about non-europe.
>>719719674I think i responded the wrong anon by mistake, sorry, lost the flow of the thread in the heat of the moment. It's the best off topic we've had in a while.
>>719719449just like irl?
>>719719740So it's being a normal mentally healthy individual then? You sound no different from a hippy or someone into wicca or some shit. You all just need to cling to fantasy because reality is too hard for you.
>>719719449the 20th page of the bible is about Egyptians using magic vs God and Moses
>>719719631>How does not having fear (it's not fear, but for the sake if your argument i'll call it that, though I certainly don't fear God, I fear failing myself) bring fulfillment exactlyHow does not living with one of the worst emotions not? Do you know what fulfillment is? The ability to acts unrestrained by dogma and being able to create your own truth through your own will is fulfillment.>You're effectively saying "I can sin without guilt" as saying that's fulfillingNo I'm not, and "to sin" is already looking through a christian overview. I don't recognize the notion of sin. There's nothing inherently evil about sloth. The only evil there is is hurting others, not some biblical code.>There's nothing deeper about hedonism as you're implying.Can you not read? I said it goes deeper than hedonism, and, actually, hedonism is a far deeper philosophy than you give credit to. The Greek Hednoists are so different from your modern understanding of the word it'd entirely shock you.>I find pity in those who do not know.I don't believe you. I think the bitterness you have for them is entirely envy.
Christianity is a genius sca.>Recruit people who will already do good because they're good people >Bad faith actors can point to their deeds and say look what WEVE done as they pick your pockets like the niggers they areThe only fitting end for a Christ nigger is conversion by force or a sledgehammer to the head
>>719719665>I get pleasure out of mocking peopleYour life sound pretty sad.
>>719716451>Everything He makes is perfect by design and as He intended it to be.That’s right folks, if you wear glasses or get surgery to repair a cleft lip or remove the cancer that lives inside your child, you are going against God’s plan and you should be ashamed.
>>719706450Christ is King.
>>719719449Jesus just used some foreign magic system and sincretized from there. The notion of what he originally taught is pretty much lost to the sands of time because it wasn't mean to be a religion in the first place. I mean, think about it for a second: If magic is real, then why would you need religion in the first place???
>>719719893No more arguments so you start chimping out?How enlighten of you.
>>719708119BASED!
>>719719732Because truth is always truth even before it's revealed as being truth. After it's revealed, why would I not agree. Did atoms not exist before the first person theorized of them? Or were they always the truth, even before they were revealed?
>>719720035Yeah but christianity isn't truth.
God is an invisible king that can't be criticized and used to justify anything >Jews wanna rape and killGod told me toWhites wanna rape and kill peopleGod told me to>Everyone else:Can I speak to GodThem: no and also God is telling me to rape and kill you and take your shit What's the solution to this? Simply kill anyone who identifies Christian the second you meet them. When society collapses, murder any faggot, white or child with that lower case t around their neck without exception
Fun SSF builds?
>>719720008>No more arguments so you start chimping out?I guess you're talking about yourself there? Aside from the last remark, what's he's pointing at is pretty much the general notion of Christianity even to the higher ups in the church themselves.
>>719719964>foreignits not foreign, its based on Hellenist and Zoroastrian mysticism like Dionysus (which is why Yeshua in Hebrew was translated to Iesus or Jeysus or Jesus), its all known history
>>719719517>then that would be the core concept of a "triangle" we would haveThat's the point. He can change the rules but he can't always win by them as they exist. A triangle isn't some man-made invention, it's a figure with three straight lines and three angles; it exists in nature everywhere. It'd be one thing if I was talking about God evading taxes, but this isn't that. Even if he is powerful enough to change the rules of the game, if he can't win by playing fairly then he isn't all-powerful.
>>719719893>The only fitting end for a Christ nigger is conversion by force or a sledgehammer to the headWhy don't you try it then tough guy? Surely the toothless cattle won't strike back at you if you did.
>>719720008Racist ad hominem and insults? How very Christ kike like. Your invisible king won't save you when people get tired of your posturing and it's awfully bad time to be a Christ niggerYour religion is irrelevant and your defacto leader is a Satanist pedophile lmao.
>>719720091Hollow Palm Chayula Monk
>>719713785>look, this person believed in a god so you should too!Literal cattle holy fuck
>>719720064agreed, Christ is the truth not the church. The church is the body(literally) and Christ is the head of the body.
>>719719745>He thinks He killed Himselfyou have much to learn anon
>>719720180When society collapses I will. Whites and Christians will be public enemy number 1 for most people and you're terribly out numbered. It doesn't matter when it happens, it's obviously the end all of and be all of a free society, however
>>719720035You're in the right track. >>719720143God make up all the rules, but he doesn't need them. If he can override all of the rules he himself made, then indeed, he IS all powerful, but he can pretend all he wants for whatever reason. Something similar is the concept of Brahman in the Vedas, is the state that precede god, is the ultimate "God", which cannot be perceived but without it there is not perception.
>>719719964>>719720129Your "pagan jesus" theorists are even more retarded than "jesus roman propaganda" theorists holy shit
>>719720210What's the purpose of this post. Like, you know that's not what I meant, there's no point to pretending I'm agreeing with you when we both know I'm not.It's just bloody silly.
>>719720245He died and he died like a faggot covered in piss and shit. Anyone who follows his ideology is also equally a loser destined for an end by hot lead. See most school shooters.
>>719718920No one's making any assumptions about you, that is literally what you are, a worthless sinner who deserves death. No amount of "good deeds" you will be doing in life is going to save you and neither any amount of arguing and twisting around of words based on your "own set of morals" is going to solve anything. Belief in Christ is the only thing that is going to save you and actually shape you into a new and proper person who has his things right about himself. You will continue in sing, delusion and misery, doing and engaging in all manners of things you will feel ashamed of or disgusted to some extent in the moment, but which you'll soon attempt to bury or put aside through some manner of excusing it from your "own understanding" as not being "that bad", and this will keep on going on either until you die and are immediately sent to Hell for living life the way you saw fit in rebellion against God, or ultimately just breaking down to the point you WILL have to call on God for help with pulling you out of whatever cesspit you've dug yourself into.You can keep deluding yourself into thinking you're somehow happy because you override your brain with dopamine from constantly jerking it to whatever it is you do, or whatever other stuff you do to just give yourself instant doses of fake happiness that wean off over time but you will eventually face the truth of it all, whether in life or in death. But for your sake, I hope you eventually come to face the truth while you're still alive so you have the chance to actually ask God to forgive you than face it when you're dead with no other chance left for repentance.
>>719720183>insult>insult>insultTip your fedora harder golem.
>>719720207>twist the guy's beliefs because a somewhat respected philosopher would make your fedora tipping image seem more legitimate >someone point out those are not the philosopher's actual beliefs >hurr durr you are cattleHopefully you are just baiting and not actually this retarded.
>>719706450Wasteland 2, oddly enough. It's the only game I know of that subverts the evil evangelical trope by having the God's Militia faction be reasonable if you can prove the corrupt leader is full of shit.
>>719720371Tip your foreskin Christ kike. More petty insults from a supposed follower of Jesus? He doesn't know you and will spit you outFrom your own book btw.
>>719720320but the church literally isnt Christ. youre going to tell me Catholic church follows Christ? or all the different evangelical each with their own distorted doctrine?
>>719720317It's just a theory, but Jesus as a mage that knew a fundamental truth of reality makes more sense that whatever the hell the crypto jew jehova witness come up with. Still a head canon tho, because it can't be proven, the entirety of human history is made up.
>>719720354You sound like a disgusting afro-asiatic shitskin. You were not chosen like the Aryan race so you impotently seethe about.Sad!
>>719720402>Fedora tippingLmao the favorite insult of a clipped dicklet who got the Jew sloppy toppy at birth Fitting your obsessed with hats because your dicks was ripped off
>>719720287>If he can override all of the rules he himself made, then indeed, he IS all powerfulWhat isn't getting through? I'm saying this, address it directly: if God must change the rules to achieve the goal then he is not all-powerful. What I am asking for is a triangle with more or less than 3 sides. Right now, that is not possible. If he changes the rules then he is evading the task, not completing it. If he did not form a triangle with more or less than 3 sides and instead changed the definition of a triangle then he did not complete the task successfully.
>>719720317Zoroastrianism isn't Polytheism, it invented monotheism + Angels + Good and Evil. Some Jews took Zoroastrianism + some Hellenism and made Christianity. Ask ChatGPT for a history lesson if it's so hard to get
>>719720370>a worthless sinner who deserves deathChristians will say this and claim their religion's all about love lol.Why do you think yourself as a worthless, disgusting sinner, anon? I don't think you are that, I'm sure there's more to you than that.
>>719720402>unable to engage with ideas>has to speak of peopleFemale brain.
>>719720484>Chosen race>Balds at 20 and ages like milk in the sun before dying of skin cancerLmao okay anglokike. Deader than dirt and without children. What a failure he was lmao
Look the problem of evil is all well and good but the real reason that Christian apologetics have yet to move me is that none of them, and I mean none of them, have properly squared the circle that is the human experience relative to eternity. It’s not just antithetical to being human, it’s antithetical to being alive and creating meaning. All meaning is derived from and bound by time. It cannot exist outside of it, even the seemingly eternal nature of math is still bound by time. To be alive is to experience change, and eternity is the destruction of change. It’s the great flattener, in which all meaning is defeated and rendered void. For Christians, the paradox of eternal life is simply what you have to accept as part of the faith, like the mystery of the Trinity. But it’s still passively accepting that what you believe doesn’t make sense, and then choosing to have that faith anyway. And that can be a beautiful thing, but we still only know beauty because we live in time. Eternity destroys that.
>kinda wanna play again>remember that this patch does nothing to make endgame more ineteresting
>>719719827>So it's being a normal mentally healthy individual thenAtheists literally suffer worse psychological well being when compared to Christians in things like depression. Atheists also kill themselves more often.
>>719720370>No one's making any assumptions about you>Proceeds to keep making assumptions about meI see, I see...
>>719720370>No one's making any assumptions about you, that is literally what you are, a worthless sinner who deserves death. No amount of "good deeds" you will be doing in life is going to save you and neither any amount of arguing and twisting around of words based on your "own set of morals" is going to solve anything.If there is no good deed that can bring entry into heaven, then there is no evil deed that can earn eternity in hell. Eternity cannot be earned, by definition.
>>719706450requiem: avenging angelif you have a softspot for quake 2 era games and cyberpunk with bioshockish abilities give it a tryvery hitscan heavy, but the point of it is to stun enemies with fire and keep switching targets throwing salt was massively op but neat
>>719720636That's because christians are overwhelmingly black and brown, which are, sadly, not mentally developed enough races to contemplate the ideas of misery.Also it's like, when there's no fear of hell I can see why suicide rates would be higher. Like in theory if a christian had his arms and legs blown up he'd still theoretically want to endure since suicide is hell, but an atheist could just pull the plug. I mean, he couldn't, because, y'know, no arms and legs, but you get the point.
>>719719905Physical deformities and illnesses are the result of Sin seeping into the world. When Adam and Eve were first cast out of the Garden, such things did not start to evolve yet and when they died, they just died from old age. Slowly, over time, Sin evolved to create more ways to actually have people killed other than old age, which is what led to various kinds of illnesses forming, along with physical deformities that can cause various issues and misery to people further down the line. Neither of it is God's making. He did not make you handicapped to punish you, nor did He actually create you with the idea in mind of you being handicapped. If you come out with some kind of issues, it's the result of being worn in a fallen world stained by Sin and the Curse of Death that comes with it.When you die and are in your Spirit, you will no longer have any of said illnesses or physical deformities you had here on Earth, since you will be perfect and exactly as God intended you to be like before you came into existence. And when you ultimately are resurrected at the Second Coming of Christ, your physically body will as well be perfect as God intended it to be upon your Creation.
>>719720636ignorance is bliss
>>719706450Religion is the height of arrogance. We don’t know how the world truly came to be now and we sure as shit didn’t know thousands of years ago. Anyone who comes with a “my explanation of the world is the correct one” always reek of a scammer and 9/10 times you would be right that they are trying to extract time and money from you
>>719720540Im adressing everything, it's just, that a being unbounded by nothing is simply just that flexible. >if God must change the rules to achieve the goal then he is not all-powerful. But that's the thing, the doesn't have to, at all. Imagine that you are everything, everywhere, all at once. You won't have a place to expand in the first place, so what do you do? You could decide to just forget, and start a new, to have somewhere else to expand. This is basically how "God" works across all traditions, the purpose is expansion trough infinity in discovering that it is unbounded. The only way that it's not like this, it's that God just forget. >What I am asking for is a triangle with more or less than 3 sides. Right now, that is not possible. If he changes the rules then he is evading the task, not completing it. But why he must follow the rules in the first place? You ask for a triangle with certain characteristic, and it just appears in from of you if you ask directly. Any rules are just rules you are making up on the go. In this case, if the query is>triangle with more or less than 3 sidesThen god just pull it off.
>>719719507You're not into understanding your own religion? That's ok.
crucifixion was so commonplace in Rome that I'm surprised there weren't more kike martyrs. my guess is the church buried a evidence for them all.
>>719720810No actually they're the result of infectious diseases or car accidents. Or just being born deaf and blind and mute and retarded. Oops.
>>719720893If it was so common why is there so little archaeological evidence for it?
>>719720540Also>What I am asking for is a triangle with more or less than 3 sides. Right now, that is not possible.Not possible? How did you conclude that? And how do you know that god won't do it?
>>719720810There's no way an adult human male with a functioning brain can actually believe in fucking Adam and Eve. Like, belief in Christ? Sure, whatever. Belief in Adam and Eve? Legitimately fucking retarded.
>>719720475Every single larpagan and other religions claim jesus was this, jesus knew that, jesus learned from this etc, truth is one instinctively recognizes the truth when we see it and projects from there, like a theologian once told me, the truth as a whole could only ever come to us in the form of a man, so that everyone may understand when we see it
>>719720810Yet again we come back to the problem of evil, in which mankind is consistently responsible for not only their own individual choices which is entirely valid, but also the choices their ancestors made, being punished for the desire for knowledge. The hurricane that killed your baby is because Eve ate the apple. You didn’t do anything, but your baby is now gone. You might believe they are in Heaven now, but Heaven is eternal and thus you cannot change there, and that baby will never grow up.
>>719720852This. Imagine thinking were reflections of the universe itself. What kind of arrogant faggot would huff his own farts so hard And how egotistical are Christ cucks to think their current self deserves to live forever? Lmao. It's nothing more than an egotistical immortality fetish
>>719720636Judging by this thread alone, 100%.
>>719720735>>719720631>>719720424>>719720201>>719720091videogames?
>>719720931there is
>>719720636Proof? The only high suicide rates I see are among white men and that's usually because they can't get pussy and most of them are also coincidentally Christians hence why they believe they're entitled to it
>>719721062This thread is dominated by people telling atheists that they deserve to suffer and burn in hell for... not believing in Jesus? That sounds pretty bitter and miserable to me, Anonymous.
>>719721097oh OK. touche
>>719719891>The ability to acts unrestrained by dogma and being able to create your own truth through your own will is fulfillment.You're not actually answering me. What fulfillment to you get without Christ in the picture now? Also, like I said, I don't live with "fear" other than not living up to my potential.Fear is also a normal human emotion that's a positive trait in many factors. Like the fear of sleeping with a heavily diseased woman, is a good and healthy fear to have.>The only evil there is is hurting othersWhy is hurting others, evil? Any qualifiers for that? Hurting their feelings is evil too? Why is it not evil to hurt yourself?> I said it goes deeper than hedonismI did indeed read what you said, but there is nothing deeper than hedonism which you're describing. You telling me "it's deeper" without saying why, doesn't mean anything.>The Greek Hednoists are so different from your modern understanding of the word it'd entirely shock you.No, it wouldn't shock me actually. Greek hedonism is literally based around hedonism. There's nothing deeper. Pain = bad, pleasure = good. Wow, so deep.>I don't believe you.Right. A follow of Christ is intentionally going to lie on the internet for...no reason at all? That YOU know that I'm secretly just envious of them all! Come on man, are you a narcissist or something that you can't recognize that maybe you're projecting how you feel, onto others when it comes to this subject, that if you're imagining yourself as a Christian, that's how YOU would think, thus, it must be true of others?
>>719721017I'm not a "pagan" in any case, altought any semitic lenses over what im trying to say pass at that, im not coming from there. But the thing is, the "Truth" existed before you and me, before any myth, before any theology or whatever, one billion years before that, and one billion years after this very moment, when everything we know of NOW could cease to exist just like very many aspects of the ancient world. The truth has nothing to do, exactly, with your religion, and is not needed for the ultimate examination and knowledge of it.
>>719706450Praise Yahweh and Rabbi Yeshua!
>>719721062Yes Christ cucks are definitely unhinged and mad about their clipped dicks
>>719721148>>719721159these are foids isn't ?
>>719721017>truth is one instinctively recognizes the truth Glad we can agree! So, since I instinctually recognized religion to not be true, we can deduce that religion is not true and atheism is, because MY instinct said so!Oh, what's that? You don't believe my instinct said so? Well, I don't believe your instinct said whatever it said either! Guess we're back on square one...
>>719721159You know how people get really defensive and accusatory of things they themselves are guilty of?. What did Jesus say? That you knew the tree by their fruits?
>>719721219fuck. christbros, our response?!
>>719721227No but you're definitely a faggot gossiping and making assumptions like a woman. Id assume you have a pussy but a clipped dick with a Jewish supremacy scar is more likely
>Chinese game>Attacks Western values.
>>719720627Before I answer: I agree with you and would rather be destroyed than given immortality in any form.Dante addresses the concept of heaven best in my opinion, via Paradiso. I recommend reading it for yourself, but he essentially says that the personality just gets sucked out of people and their only purpose in existence is to love god forever. Any thoughts or motivations that would have motivated them to sin on earth are just gone. >In His will is our peace; that is the sea to which all things move — both what it creates and what nature makes.>Within that sphere alone is every part where it always was, for it is not in place, nor does it rest on any pole; our ladder reaches to that holy height, where every part is blessed with the same joy, as each reflects the flame of the Eternal.The way most people (and myself) interpret this is that God's will and the will of people in heaven are not longer separate. Everyone in heaven is a husk; they are robbed of their free will the moment they die. Ironically, the sinners down in hell - while suffering in other ways - retain their sense of self more than those in heaven do.Frankly, I see these as the only two ways in which humans can suffer immortality: intentional torture or by altering them to the point that they are fundamentally no longer human. In other words, you either like the fact that they are suffering, or you take away their ability to suffer in the first place.I'd rather just return to nothingness, thanks.
Path of Exile 2?
>>719720810Insanity on display. Truly a sight to behold.
>>719721291Intelligence and religiosity have a very strong inverse correlation.Meta analysis of 83 studies, enjoy: https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31610740/
>>719721363Path of what
>white people being demonic about christianity againvampiric race melting at crosses and shiet
>>719721159>>719721283This. Most pol cucks know they're going to hell. Jesus doesn't know them. They're racist, sexist and obsessed with their skin (extol themselves above others) they' worship women as false idols and are obsessed with sex (waifu culture and porn) I think most pol dicklet just want to drag as many as hell with them as possible. The irony is, hell doesn't exist in the literal sense. They live in hell now because they're piece of shit, they're dumbasses who took the book literally and because of that they suffer and will suffer until deathYou remain in the state you died as, so dying with hatred and bile in their hearts will leave them echoing that feeling throughout eternity.
>>719721469The Jews were EXILED TWICE
Christianity all started when some demented elderly jew tried to kill his son then told everyone god intervened and promised him all the land and everyone needs to have sex with him
>>719721474https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ctYNLRDV9W8
>>719713050Doomguy is canonically Roman Catholic.
>>719707056He's a fictional character from a book written by retards based on stories told by retards from the desert thousands of years ago before retards like you were around to be lured in such absolute bullshit
>>719721183>What fulfillment to you get without Christ in the picture now?I have answered you already. The fulfillment comes from the freedom to find your own meaning. It's so basic I'm struggling to break it down even further.>Fear is also a normal human emotion that's a positive trait in many factors. Like the fear of sleeping with a heavily diseased woman, is a good and healthy fear to have.Yeah, fair enough, I concede that. Constant fear at something that isn't real is not.>Why is hurting others, evil?Because humans are social animals and what is bad for society is bad generally. There's no need for divinity in this, it can all be explained through evolutionary biology. Hurting others intrinsically hurts the human species, with a few exceptions.>Why is it not evil to hurt yourself?It is, to an extent, but as you'd say, free will is more important than evil. If you want to hurt yourself, well, I can't say I agree with it, but you should be allowed to do it.>You telling me "it's deeper" without saying why, doesn't mean anything.I've quite literally said it 4 times but you're refusing to listen. The fulfillment comes from the ability to replace the philosophy of Christ with whatever other philosophy you want. Purpose in life is what brings fulfillment, and if a Christian who left the Church finds a purpose that motivates him even more, then he is objectively more fulfilled.>Greek hedonism is literally based around hedonismWow>Pain = bad, pleasure = goodI can also break everything down to it's base components and make everything sound retarded too, anon.>A follow of Christ is intentionally going to lie on the internet for...no reason at all?They do it all the time. Everyone does.>That YOU know that I'm secretly just envious of them all!You keep making assumptions about me anon, it's only fair I make assumptions about you.
>>719720627the idea that religion is about irrational things you decide to believe is a modern western view. Maybe its due to christianity really kind of losing the plot i dont know. But the idea of rationality being the higher part of the human soul is inherent to abrahamism. Being religious is being rationally convinced of things, not really wanting them to be true and then gambling on it. In the west i imagine many people are not actually religious who think they are.The way one obtains this rational belief is to study the religion and realize that once you actually understand it that it first with the experience of reality better than the alternatives.
>>719721183NTA but maybe I can weigh in>You're not actually answering me. What fulfillment to you get without Christ in the picture now?The fulfillment of living authentically, without feeling the constant eyes of Big Brother Christ down your neck. For some, this might be genuinely lifesaving, as they might live a life in the church that is slowly suffocating them.>Why is hurting others, evil? Any qualifiers for that? Hurting their feelings is evil too? Why is it not evil to hurt yourself?Because we have a desire to live, and to live well, and that desire is reflected in other people and living beings. If you’re arguing in favor of an objective morality provided by God, you don’t believe in such a thing. Your morality is subject to God’s whims. Or in other words, you don’t worship God because He is good, you do good because God likes it. It’s the only way to square God’s behavior in the Bible. If God changed his mind tomorrow, you’d still follow him. Don’t particularly care about ancient Hedonists or whether a follower of Christ can lie on the internet (I’ll give you a hint though: they can and do)
>>719721484most pol cucks are too antisemetic to be christian
>>719720871>But why he must follow the rules in the first place?He doesn't have to, unless he wants to successfully complete the task. A triangle has three sides and three angles. >Any rules are just rules you are making up on the go.A triangle has 3 sides and 3 angles, I didn't decide that. Man did not decide that. It is fundamental to the nature of a triangle, which simply exists. If God wishes to create a triangle with more or less than 3 sides then he will have to change the definition of a triangle. He is free to do so, but he will never successfully create a triangle with more or less than 3 sides as it exists right now. It is beyond his power to do so. I am not asking him to change what a triangle is, I am asking him to create a triangle with more or less than 3 sides.>Not possible? How did you conclude that?Because a triangle has 3 sides and 3 angles. Again, I did not decide this, that is what it is. Just as a square has 4 lines and 4 angles, and an octagon has 8 sides and 8 angles. These are fundamental shapes that man did not create, we only gave them a name.
>>719720657You don't "see" anything since you're blinded towards the truth by the god of this world who is Satan. Repent and ask God to open your eyes to the truth instead of continuing to act like a smug prick who thinks he's above it all because he believes to have had it all everything figured out.>>719720573>sarcastic remark and question made out of smug arrogance and lacking in any actual love or interest for the personYou don't care. You just want to feel morally superior for not believing in anything then proceed to tell people it's okay to just leave however they please or see fit regardless how degenerate their way of life it cause it's fine as long as it "makes them happy". The whole point of it is that despite you being a worthless sinner who has committed all kinds of moral crimes against a perfectly Good God, and knowing there's absolutely no way you could personally ever atone for them in your own strength, God still loves you despite it all, even when you would normally deserve death for your crimes, and He bears with you through it and helps you so that you don't end up forfeiting your soul forever to demons in the depths of Hell. I'm not even talking about "serious" things like murder. If you ever just simply lied or lusted over others, you have already committed sins worthy of death since you were not able to hold up to God's perfect standard, thus leading to the term "worthless sinner" , since you literally cannot do anything in your own strength to get yourself out of the thing you put yourself into by your own hand. It's only through God's Mercy and Grace through acceptance of Jesus Christ as your Lord and Saviour can you actually be saved from the fate of death you sealed yourself to upon engaging in all manner of vile deeds that are disgusting in the sight of a perfectly Good and Just God.
>>719713132>if you don't buy into my jewish slave mentality grift you are a jewhuh?
Living another man's life is the worst thing you can doChrist cucks are the ultimate cucks. They give up their will, their dreams and their potential to be another part of Christ big Jewish dick. I choose to be me
>>719721696>You don't "see" anything since you're blinded towards the truth by the god of this world who is Satan. Repent and ask God to open your eyes to the truth instead of continuing to act like a smug prick who thinks he's above it all because he believes to have had it all everything figured out.Totally not mentally ill btw lmao.>if you disagree with me it's because jewish fairy tale characterlol
>>719721674That's the best part! They've warped themselves and the word to believe they are the REEL Jews.All the Jews in Europe are actually le evil demonic white hating canannites who worship le red goat man and le golden bull (from le Jew book!!!!)
>>719721748at least they aren't Muslims or jews though
>>719721696What a legitimately fucked up way of viewing reality. God makes you fallible and imperfect, demands perfect obedience and punishes you eternally if you don't uphold his impossible standard, but it's ok because he sent his kid to die for you and you need to accept it and it's the ultimate good because a single time you lied in 3rd grade is enough for you to burn forever.What a fucking twisted religion man. Genuinely gross.
>>719721148Christians tend to have bigger, and closer social groups than Atheists, giving more chances for relationships, so I doubt this.
>>719721631>The way one obtains this rational belief is to study the religion and realize that once you actually understand it that it first with the experience of reality better than the alternatives.That’s my exact problem, it doesn’t fit, and I have yet to find writings that explain how it does. Genuinely, if any of you have or know of Christian apologia on how eternity DOESN’T completely invalidate the human experience and the act of being alive I’d love to read it.
>>719718187>God allows them to have what they want>So when they start to believe in god, they can cease to have it
>>719715614> super cuckedCuckstianity in a nutshell.A casual reminder that a eurocuck is the product of a goatfucker religion made for poor people and people who live in a desert or a similarly resource-poor location.Ancient euros would fight each other to death for the best piece of meat at the dinner and do that with pride.
>>719721835Christ kikes are Jew jr. They're Jews retarded little brother that entwined themselves so much with Jews they circled back to worshipping themMuslims are a different beast of retardation but still a product of judaism as well.All abrahamic faggotry is the same stupid shit
>>719707056>worship a dead Jew on a stick, it's the only logical and rational thing to do
Why Christianity related threads always devolve like this into like a few specific schizos sperging out for hours on end and trying "disprove" something they apparently don't believe in?Surely if it wasn't that big of a deal or it didn't somehow threaten you, you'd just not engage with it, but I keep seeing things go like this and it just keeps reminding me more and more of how the things in the Bible are true when it says how most will mock anyone for trying to speak the truth, and how people who are of this world have been blinded by Satan into not seeing or accepting what's being told to them, even when they have every single reason out there given to them to actually accept it, but they simply choose not to.It's weird seeing actual things that are written down into the Bible manifest IRL right before your eyes over and over again like this.
>>719721879You can doubt all you want all the trash cath hateful retards ending themselves and random children proof otherwise A weak belief for weak men
>>719721219meanwhile, in hindu heaven
>>719708391False
>>719722014>you must want to fuck spiders
>>719722054>J-JEET!Lel
>>719722014Christ niggery invades law and takes away people's rightsIt is most definitely a problem you kike worshipping faggotIt doesn't help you niggers never shut the fuck up, go after our kids and try to rape them in your private circles and force subservience to the Jew on them
>>719722135there's no way china is 91% atheist
>>719721892i'm sure the hundreds of thousands of people out there who are hooked up onto hard drugs that could kill them at any moment they take them and are so dependent on them to the point they might also die if they don't get at least a daily dose of it want to be in that position
>>719722135what is this schizo nonsense anon?
>>719722014That’s all great but you have to admit, saying that because people aren’t inclined to believe you means you’re actually totally right doesn’t really convince anyone. People have been saying the Biblical prophecies are unfolding before our eyes for literal millennia. But I have yet to see the world end.
>>719721682>He doesn't have to, unless he wants to successfully complete the task.In insist, if he's god, and no bound by rules (Why would he be bound by his own creation which he would be capable to have complete domain over?), what impede God to just created it on the spot?>A triangle has three sides and three angles. Then he give you exactly what the query contains, over the logic of creation God is running into.>A triangle has 3 sides and 3 angles, I didn't decide that. Man did not decide that. It is fundamental to the nature of a triangle, which simply exists.Then god just do that instead. (Where did the idea of a triangle came, also?)>If God wishes to create a triangle with more or less than 3 sides then he will have to change the definition of a triangle. He is free to do so, but he will never successfully create a triangle with more or less than 3 sides as it exists right now. Then it's no longer a triangle, but whatever is conceptualized, is given. But it's a matter of choice if the idea is "completed" or if it even began in the first place. The nature of creation is conception, maintaining, and dissolution. In order to begin, there has to be a conceptualization in the first place. Remember that every geometric form is an idea, and "God" is beyond concreteness and into abstraction, but if you give a task, it's done over the conclusion of said notion. >It is beyond his power to do so. I am not asking him to change what a triangle is, I am asking him to create a triangle with more or less than 3 sides.Then he just do it. It's that simple.
>>719722014>make thinly-veiled vidya thread to proselytize your religion on a hentai website>people laugh and shit as a result>"D-DA BIBLE PREDICTED THIS YOU'RE ALL DEMONS AND WORSHIP LE VILLAIN FROM MY FICTIONAL SCHIZOPHRENIC JEWISH DESERT FAIRY TALE BOOK!"
>>719706450>christcuck
>>719718821Lmao why are all atheists edgy for not wanting to suck the Jew cock Kool aid. Have you seriously decided yourself that much?You know what I think is edgy? Worshipping the cock mutilating faggot that demands children be killed, cities be firebombed and that anyone who doesn't do what he wants suffer for all eternityHow the fuck is that not edgy?
>>719722014I'm sure you'd feel the same if Pastafarians wrote laws
>>719722014Fun fact, Christ claimed the world would end soon after his death and the original christians were an apocalyptic cult that thought they were in the end of days.And... for some reason... the world has yet to end?
>>719721748This guy get it.
>>719722014>Why Christianity related threads always devolve like this into like a few specific schizos sperging out for hours on end and trying "disprove" something they apparently don't believe in?So this is how you guys wash your hands over your mess when someone just simply tell the truth?
>>719722014>2 more weeks goyim, trust the plan
meanwhile, in atheist heaven
>>719722014They are insecure and project.The possibility for God not existing is never zero, therefor they have to reassure themselves.
>>719709884>enemies look cooler and more fun to play than the player character(s)depressingly common occurrence
>>719718821>What do they replace Christianity with, now that it's gone, that gives them this new fulfillment, that they didn't have before?Shoving dildos up their own arses, crossdressing and pretending to be women then getting addicted to interracial porn and spamming about it on 4chan while jerking themselves off to the idea of white replacement.Basically, they try and replace the void left from not having God anymore with as much degeneracy as conceivably possible.
>>719721619>The fulfillment comes from the freedom to find your own meaning.HOW does leaving the Church do that? Do you not understand you have to qualify your statement with something other than a fucking motivational quote?>Because humans are social animals and what is bad for society is bad generally.Then religion becomes good for society because religious people have stronger social bonds and more social cohesion than atheists do. They have a stronger in-group preference than atheists do. They have more children than atheists do. You DO know that religiosity is moderately influenced by personality traits, and personality traits are .5 heritable, right? Religiosity is literally an evolutionary framework thats positive. How is it positive? The above reasons I gave. Stronger social bonds, more kids, less suicides, high in-group preference. A modern atheist society would all be dead in a few generations. If you're arguing against evolutionary biology, atheism is literally one of the worse traits you can have in the modern world, and is currently being selected out of the gene pool.>free will is more important than evilUnder a strictly biological materialist construct, you have no free will.>The fulfillment comes from the ability to replace the philosophy of Christ with whatever other philosophy you wantYou're not saying how that provides fulfillment.>Purpose in life is what brings fulfillmentWhat purpose in life is lost from leaving Christ exactly? I find it fulfilling to make games that others enjoy. How does leaving Christ, suddenly change that? Do you think Christians sit around in Church chanting Gods name, have no hobbies or other sources of fulfillment, and only when they leave the church can they find more fulfillment? How does leaving the church open avenues to greater fulfillment? WHAT could a person do, that God would not allow him to do before, that would make that person more fulfilled? Quantify please.
>>719722723What if they don’t actually do that
>>719722723Imagine being so brain broken you legitimately think that's something people do.
>>719722749then they kill themselves after overdosing on drugs or whatever else since nothing will actually please them and they'll just keep on getting more and more miserable over time.
This thread is 99% Dunning-Krugers replying to each other>>719722490truth is what has the aristotelian traits of Correspondence to Reality, Bivalence (True or False), Non-Contradiction and Dependence on Being, the rest is opinion
>>719722723>I need a jewish tribal war deity to stop me from sucking dickssomething you want to tell the class anon?
>>719722512Even the deist heaven can be like this. You just remove what's not true off the way. It's all so simple bros.
>>719706450Aryan religions such as Buddhism have, throughout history, been about seeking truth through direct experience and self-realization. They promote personal freedom, compassion, and wisdom, encouraging people to look inward and understand the nature of suffering and reality without relying on external authority. Historically, these traditions have fostered cultures that value inquiry, balance, and spiritual growth, often coexisting peacefully with other beliefs and adapting without forcing conversion or control.In stark contrast, Semitic religions like Christianity have played a central role in shaping world history through control, domination, and enforced dogma. Christianity’s rise coincided with the consolidation of empires that used religion as a tool to centralize power and suppress dissent. The historical record shows centuries of violent crusades, inquisitions, colonialism, and cultural erasure all justified in the name of spreading “the one true faith.” Christianity’s insistence on absolute truth and salvation through a single path has fueled endless conflict, intolerance, and division.While Aryan spiritual paths have tended to open minds and encourage internal liberation, Semitic religions historically thrived on external control, deception, and the imposition of fear-based morality to maintain social order and political power. This created a world where truth was often sacrificed for illusion, and spiritual growth was replaced by obedience and dogmatic conformity.Ultimately, the Aryan approach to spirituality invites honest confrontation with reality and personal awakening, while the Semitic legacy often enforces deception, illusion, and lies—both in belief and in the violent histories they shaped.
>>719722748>HOW does leaving the Church do that?Are you retarded? I've already explained that to you for fucking times. Being able to replace the philosophy of the Church with one of your own IS the freedom to find your own meaning you daft sod. And there are people who objectively are happier AFTER they left Christianity. And not a few of them either.I'm sorry if this utterly breaks your worldview, but it's the truth you mouthbreathing moron.
>>719722748This is arguing for Christianity from a sociological perspective but if it’s simply that religiosity is good for society, a similar but not Christian religion would fulfill the same niche. You haven’t really argued it’s true ontologically.
>>719721647>The fulfillment of living authentically, without feeling the constant eyes of Big Brother Christ down your neck.That's not what fulfillment is. Being able to goon to trannies for 6 hours straight now that God isn't watching, isn't fulfillment.Give me an example, that would apply to most Christians, of things they would be able to do with feeling like God is breathing down their neck, that doesn't involve hedonism. > Or in other words, you don’t worship God because He is good, you do good because God likes it.I worship Christ because his teachings are truthful, logical, and rational. I ask this question to a lot of Atheists who make your kind of argument: What do you disagree with about what Jesus says, and why?
>>719722512hell is having a brain in a rotting body
>>719722748Ok.What fulfillment is gained from joining Christ? If I can have a family, hobbies, create and do all those other things without Christ, what does he offer?Nothing.
>>719722839This thread is just the one same anon samefagging.>truth is what has the aristotelian traits of Correspondence to Reality, Bivalence (True or False), Non-Contradiction and Dependence on Being, the rest is opinionAristotle: A exists, A is A, A can't be B. That's called the three SELF EVIDENT truths, think about that. BUT it seems he ommited the first and antecedent one, the Self Evident Truth #0:I Am.That's the first one.
>>719722894BVSED BVDDHABULLFuck shame the Romans couldn't do the what the Japanese shoguns and samurai did and eradicate Abrahamism from the planet for good.
>>719722798What if they don’t do that eitherWhat if they just live fine lives in peace
>>719722014>everyone is calling me retarded so I must be rightDid the Bible predict 4chan
>>719722894>Buddhism>AryanIt was literally invented by Indians, are you fucked in the head??Also, absolutely nothing else you just listed is true since Buddhism by default promotes denial of self and reject every single thing that could cause emotion in you, yes, even pleasure, both negative and positive emotions are forbidden. You're literally supposed to just be an empty husk with nothing going on inside cause that's how you reach "enlightenment" by not allowing yourself to care about or be effected by anything regarding the physical world, lmao. You're being deluded by demons into thinking this thing is anything worth a damn.
>>719721748What dreams to Christians give up, exactly?>>719722042Christians have more kids than atheists in case you didn't realize.
>>719723037>things they would be able to do with feeling like God is breathing down their neckNot have to pretend to believe in a magical jewish corpse for one.>I worship Christ because his teachings are truthful, logical, and rationalLmao
>>719723119they don't, they're going straight to hell
>>719722894This is just pure projection, the modern world is moralist and projects this on the ancient church, moralism is a poor substitute of religion, the more religious a person is the less moralist they become.
>>719723037>Being able to be true to yourself is not fulfillment>Mentions trannies out of nowhereGets me thinking......
>>719722894This. Vedic myth and wisdom is the closest we have of the metaphoric personification of truth and can rasonate deeply with any person, embracing every single part of creation, eternally celebrating said creation in expansion and everlasting evolution.There can't be no separate entities, but only in appearance. Therefore, All entities are the "Demiourgos": Iswara, Mara, Brahman, God, the "devil", Jesus vs his psychophysical self, you, my mom, that other anon's uncle, a turtle, a rock, all "waving manifestations" of the universe itself AKA the substrate AKA the "one unique frame of reference".
>>719723091why can't A be B?
>>719722372>Lmao why are all atheists edgy for not wanting to suck the Jew cock Kool aid. Have you seriously decided yourself that much?Nah, stats did. Atheists are as a majority, young, liberal, heavily pro immigration, progressive, heavily pro out-group, etc. etc. They are literally the antithesis of being evolutionarily beneficial, which is why as a group, they are being selected out of the gene pool.
>>719723330Excellent question, answer it by yourself, so you won't depend on me or any dogmatic notion to define reality, you could only use the truth. After all, it's called "self evidents truth" for a reason.
>>719723340As an atheist, those people are retards. There's plenty of legitimately retarded atheists out there, I'll be the first to admit.
>>719722941You're right. Islam is good for birth rates too. But I'd rather have Christianity if I had to choose.
>>719723037>That's not what fulfillment is. Being able to goon to trannies for 6 hours straight now that God isn't watching, isn't fulfillment.>Give me an example, that would apply to most Christians, of things they would be able to do with feeling like God is breathing down their neck, that doesn't involve hedonism.You view anything other than heterosexuality as hedonism. Homosexuals are perfectly capable of loving relationships despite being outlawed by god. As does having sex out of wedlock allow people to still live good, full lives untouched by misery. Both are outlawed by God’s word.> I worship Christ because his teachings are truthful, logical, and rational. You work backward to explain their rationality, just as every theologian tries to answer for why God let Job suffer.>I ask this question to a lot of Atheists who make your kind of argument: What do you disagree with about what Jesus says, and why?That eternity is a meaningful experience for anyone alive.
>>719723465NTA, and an atheist, but>Homosexuals are perfectly capable of loving relationshipslollmaoLet's not get too ahead of ourselves here.
>>719723396I'll ask chatgpt
>>719722298>Then he just do it. It's that simple.We really could have avoided a lot of conversation if you just replied with this to every post, since it seems to be the ultimate point you're sticking to, despite any explanation whatsoever. I will tell you again, but I will not reply so don't feel obligated to respond: a triangle has 3 sides and 3 angles. It is not anything else. It is a fundamental geometric shape that objectively exists. It is not man-made, nor is its definition; it is not simply an "idea", it exists and its definition is concrete. If you wish to attribute its creation to God then you are free to do so, but for him to make it anything except 'a plane with 3 sides and 3 angles' he will have to change the definition of a triangle, which does not meet the requirements of the request 'create a triangle with more or less sides/angles than 3'.
>>719723579You and I know both know I’m right, there’s no point in being smarmy about that when the thread is about to be archived.
>>719722894Poo in the fucking loo
>>719722915>still doesn't answer.Holy smokes do you understand what quantifying means? Do you understand what fulfillment means? It's like saying stopping eating vegetables gives you fulfillment because you now have the freedom to not be bound by eating vegetables and have the freedom to find your own meaning in non vegetables. It's nonsensical. You have to QUALIFY your statements. The fucking irony of you calling me a moron, oh geeze.
>>719723678Ok yeah, you're literally retarded.
>>719723082Siding with truth, everlasting life, greater social circles, being evolutionarily correct (atheists are being selected out of the gene pool).
>>719723786Everlasting life is paradoxical and meaningless.
>>719722839Here's my 2 cents. Truth is a heuristic emergent understanding of a complex hidden black box in our brain that we couldn't how to consciously fathom.
>>719723786>Siding with truthBut it's false>everlasting lifepic related>greater social circlesI already have those>being evolutionarily correct (atheists are being selected out of the gene pool)There are more people leaving Christianity than joining it.
>>719723653>We really could have avoided a lot of conversation if you just replied with this to every post, since it seems to be the ultimate point you're sticking to, despite any explanation whatsoever.I don't know why it has to be more complicated than that if the being we are both talking about is unbounded by anything. In fact, in order to have limitation, he has to come up with it himself because he's the sole creator. I really don't know how it can be more complicated than that all facts considered.>The rest of your postYes, we will be running in circles, so lets leave it at that. But this essentially boils down to>It can be done? Yes or no?
>>719723414Well yes, but even as an atheists you must see that being an atheist, and it's associated traits, means that atheism is being weeded out due to selective pressure. Atheists aren't meant to live in this kind of modern society. Before when Christians were enforcing social norms, atheists benefited. Without those norms being enforced anymore, there's no pressure on atheists to conform, and thus they don't, and thus we see what they bring: destruction to themselves.
>>719723786>Siding with truthYou already lost at that a hundred posts ago schlomo
>>719723786>my religion is true because we have more childrenMuslims have an even higher fertility rate than Christians. It has no bearing on whether your religion is true, dumbass. Blacks have even have fertility rates than whites as well.
>>719723465Homosexuality is abhorrent even from an evolutionary perspective you dink. You're putting you dick in a dirty shit hole and produce no offspring.>That eternity is a meaningful experience for anyone alive.What? You don't experience eternity if you're alive. This statement makes you sense.
>>719720370Begone calvinist
>>719723881It's just a saying, it means your soul is eternal
>>719724308If im born with a soul, it has nothing to do with the Bible or whatever model you're running on.
>>719724220a mouth has far more bacteria in it but I'm sure you're equally as fervent in stating your hatred of blowjobs as you are about anal
>>719723930>There are more people leaving Christianity than joining it.How does this go against what I said? by the way, people are leaving things like protestant churches, but ORTHODOX is growing. STRONG Christianity is growing, weak Christianity is dying. Atheists are still being weeded out of the gene pool.
>>719724220>What? You don't experience eternity if you're alive. This statement makes you sense.The promise of Christ is eternal life.>>719724308Your soul being eternal is a distinction without a difference.
>>719724395>he was a "based and redpilled" zoomer orthobro all alongFuck me I should have known
Most entertaining thread we've had in a while
>>719724395Orthodoxy is being flooded by crypto-protestant larpers
>>719724395>they unironically fell for the orthodox memelollmao
>>719724240>calvinisti'm orthodox. you don't even know what the means.you're just throwing it around as a slur to something you don't agree with.
Truth is the stable alignment between description and reality. There's nothing profound about it. If you state something and new observations support that statement, then the chance of it being the truth increases. Religion doesn't meet this standard btw, just based on scripture alone
